history

[runic ermine]

I know believe me

Lot of wars

[desert agate]

The Spanish Civil war was arguably one of the last major conflicts of the Protestant Reformation

The Republicans themselves weren't protestant but they were atheist/secular, and theres one thing Catholics hate more than protestants and its atheists

[runic ermine]

I don't hate atheists

[desert agate]

You were no doubt born after Vatican II

[runic ermine]

Also I thought it was because of the Red terror

[runic ermine]

Im only 19

[desert agate]

Well great you were born a whole 50 years after Vatican II

Congratulations on living in a post Vatical II world where the Catholic Church and its followers are not militaristically opposed to everything that wasn't them

Speaking of Spain, the anniversary of Spain developing the worlds first flying car is in 2 weeks

[runic ermine]

Neat

[runic ermine]

Are you over 50?

[desert agate]

No

I'm 23

But the Vatican II conference is why sectarian attitudes between Christians is not even close to what it was like in the first half of the 20th century

[runic ermine]

Anyways isn't another reason as to why Catholics threw their lot in with Franco because of the Red terror?

[desert agate]

Sure but it's not as though violence wasn't reciprocal

[runic ermine]

The White terror happened alongside it, though lasted longer because Franco won the war

[peak mango]

Idk. Communists.

[desert agate]

But yes Catholic support for Franco was predicated on Republican elements murdering Catholics and oppressing the Catholic population and clergy within its borders

[runic ermine]

83% of priests in one region were executed by Republican forces

Forget which one tho

Also nuns were... uh... not treated nicely

[peak mango]

noncombatants rarely are.

[runic ermine]

Especially in a civil war

There's a reason why America's civil war has so many undocumented slave deaths

[desert agate]

Wow, racists are racist

Amazing

[peak mango]

Heck 'combat service and support' if services aren't rendered to both sides.

[junior trench]

[spiral cedar]

It's that time of year again

[mental tapir]

Do the sources include what the US thought how Japan would respond at the time after the embargo and before Pearl Harbour?

[narrow rover]

I don't think they realized Japan would go to war

Iirc, the hope was not to start a war but force Japan to stand down with their conquest attempts

Tbf there were about a gorillion chances to de escalate but for obvious reasons this didn't happen. Not sure if this speaks more for the dysfunction of Japan's political system or just extreme bad luck on everyone's side

E.g. Prince Saionji Kinmoji died around this time.

[spiral cedar]

Yeah, second video discusses it. The Japanese continued negotiations right up until they started their attacks, which misled the US negotiators into thinking the Japanese were willing to negotiate, rather than realizing they'd crossed a red line. Thus they continued to try to work out a deal with Japan while Japanese ships set out in radio silence destined for Hawaii

[narrow rover]

Looking at WW1 and WW2 and how they happened I mostly came to the realization that
When there's 10 possible outcomes

People choose the absolute worst 9/10 times

[spiral cedar]

The Hull Note gets blamed for the US stumbling into war with Japan, but it was a privately tendered and tentative starting point for negotiations that the militarists in the Japanese government deliberately framed out of context as an ultimatum to tip the cabinet in favor of starting a war

[narrow rover]

Iirc Japan's mobilization happened in 1940 or so when France fell and suddenly Indochina was up for grabs

So you can say a US vs Japan showdown was inevitable from that point onwards

Tbh the Japanese empire was probably doomed from 1937 onwards because 1) they can't really control the whole of China meanwhile that war is turning into a manpower black hole and 2) internal politics were getting increasingly stupid

So even if they don't fight the USA I'd say it would have collapsed by the late 1940s due to some sort of revolution or civil war

Again you can probably make your own argument as to whether or not that would have been better or worse for everyone

[runic ermine]

You know about the American Civil War in depth or just a little bit?

[spiral cedar]

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/SFwHQYDqf6c?si=2WdpjlF6lAlMQfRE

Whenever some says do you knoe about the civil war I think of this scene

[narrow rover]

The US Civil War happened fucking

150 goddamn years ago

Can't believe some people still have a grudge

[mental tapir]

Some people just want to cope and hate

Annddd besides the current administration appears to be worryingly supportive of the confederacy's ideals

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/i/status/1997129435649036337

HK Edgerton (@HKEdgerton)

Merry Christmas Plant City and Hillsborough County!

X · Dec 6, 2025, 2:22 AM

[runic ermine]

Weren't the Republicans against the Confederates?

[mental tapir]

Today's Republicans are very different from the Republicans of back then: I'd argue

[narrow rover]

No institution can remain the same for 150+ years

[timber linden]

Muh party switch

[narrow rover]

The funniest party overhaul might be the Kuomintang

They went from a party that fought communists in an on and off war for nearly 30 years... to PRC bootlickers

[timber linden]

Sure loved him in the 1980's, 90's, 00's

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7fglwhxx32l

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

#OTD in 1941, USS Ward fired the first American shots of the war in the Pacific when the destroyer sank a midget sub trying to enter Pearl Harbor. The 14th Naval District HQ believed the action was a false report, not recognizing that the sub was part of an incoming Japanese attack. #PearlHarbor

Bluesky · Dec 7, 2025, 11:40 AM

[narrow rover]

A 1944 painting depicting Hitler in hell

The painter is George Grosz. He fled Germany an year before Hitler came to power.

Thankfully he survived WW2, and later saw Germany rebuilt, although he never got to see German reunification. He died in Berlin.

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7gaufg25t25

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

FADM Chester Nimitz believed the U.S was fortunate that the attack on Pearl Harbor came as a surprise. Had the U.S. known of the approaching Japanese fleet, the American fleet would have been sent to intercept it and then been entirely lost to a superior force. #PearlHarborDay

Bluesky · Dec 7, 2025, 7:30 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7fq3x5fcd25

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

The photo of the explosion of USS Shaw's forward magazine is one of the most iconic images from the attack on Pearl Harbor that occurred #OTD in 1941. Despite heavy damage, the Shaw was repaired by 1942 and served in the Pacific for the rest of the war, earning 11 battle stars. #PearlHarbor #WWII

Bluesky · Dec 7, 2025, 2:30 PM

[versed rampart]

They arent PRC bootlickers they support the status quo with China and realize the PRC is stronger than the ROC now

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jmrDz277Y

[narrow rover]

Doesn't make it any less deeply ironic.

[versed rampart]

Chinese politics is a bit weird since the pro CCP people tend to be more conservative (you will see this in HK and Macau for example) while the pro Democracy/West are liberal or progressives

Like the DPP in Taiwan and LDP in Japan would be complete opposites in domestic and social policies if they were in the same room

[narrow rover]

I don't see why pro-CCP people in Taiwan shouldn't be conservative.

[runic ermine]

What do you guys think of Japan's recent ww2 animes?

[desert agate]

No, I'm Australian

[narrow rover]

They don't have a lot of them to begin with

[rapid cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWJH9dGBLA

Damn, didn't know Enty was a film star before the war

[burnt scarab]

Well she is Kyle, she escaped the attack on Pearl Harbour along with two others. I know is Saratoga and Yorktown

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTGQplSif8&pp=ygUWZmFsbCBvZiBzaW5nYXBvcmUgMTk0Mg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLd4REpB24s&pp=ygUTYmF0dGxlIG9mIGl0YWx5IHd3Mg%3D%3D

[rapid cairn]

Yeah I know that obv

it's part of her character lore in the game

didn't know she was technically the first aircraft carrier to star in a film

[runic ermine]

There's been two this year I think

[narrow rover]

They're both about people dying horrifically

I mean it's battle of Okinawa + battle of Peleliu

You are going to die

[desert agate]

The Japanese will really invade your country, murder your people, massacre civillians and commit untold atrocities and then 80 years later make a cartoon about how sad that made them :(

[narrow rover]

Kind of wish someone made an anime about the battle of Tinian

Iirc, the Japanese policy for civilians caught in these battlegrounds was "just die lmao"

If they didn't wanna die they were uhh, encouraged to die

[desert agate]

As if that wasn't Japanese policy for civilians caught behind their lines too

[narrow rover]

I mean the issue is that these are their own frigging civilians

But Tinian was the weird one where the majority survived. Apparently the commander there ignored the order to get the civvies to kill themselves.

[burnt scarab]

They did Spoon and they even commited lots of atrocities here, even to the Allied POW. The horrific one is got to the Thai-Burma railway.

[burnt scarab]

There's something I wanna say about that, there was an anime about Imperial Japan attacked Singapore and sinking HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repluse. I watched it 10 years earlier

[narrow rover]

I dunno, "prince of wales" and "anime" just comes up with a bunch of shipgirl art

[runic ermine]

Kancolle got into controversy for that

[runic ermine]

Lol

[cyan oriole]

yeah lul I just had a very similar issue

wrong richelieu

[spiral cedar]

Damn wtf is this

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7icajf4pp2u

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

#OTD in 1941, men across the country lined up to volunteer for military service following the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Navy ordered all recruiting stations to stay open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. These men enlisting in the Navy in Boston look ready to fight.

Bluesky · Dec 8, 2025, 3:00 PM

[runic ermine]

New game alert
https://x.com/i/status/1998006034124927295

Li Zexin 李泽欣 (@XH_Lee23)

Huge news for war game fans! A Chinese game studio released a trailer for their new anti-Japanese war game.

It’s going to fill a massive void in the genre. The game includes real battles from this 14-year history. I can’t wait to play it!

X · Dec 8, 2025, 12:25 PM

[timber linden]

Old america shall never be repeated

[desert agate]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[timber linden]

The days of civic pride, mass industry are over with. Do you think today the us could build a merchant fleet, a two ocean navy, supplying the entire allies with trucks, tanks, so forth today?

https://youtu.be/1JfWf4lI_DE?si=yWrN12QC5fAbxYb2

[desert agate]

I think that the democratic powers are struggling to understand the strains and pressures of a war economy in the 21st century, but that has nothing to do with civic pride and more to do with simple economics

But I also think it's important to remember that the US has a massive equipment stockpile for that very reason
Tens of thousands of tanks, planes, trucks just sitting in storage so that when shit does hit the fan, there's a buffer period where old equipment can be brought out of storage while the economy reworks itself

Tanks and planes aren't commodities that can be produced in the thousands anymore, they're too complex and even at war footing the economics simply make it impossible

Current events in Europe prove just how difficult it is to scale artillery shell production, plus barrel manufacture and repair, but these are all things that the democratic powers are taking measures to fix

The US is relying more on its allies industrial bases, while its allies are investing in said industries

We're really seeing a trend of greater integration of these military economies overall, domestic US politics aside

AUKUS especially is going to save American submarine manufacturing

[spiral cedar]

Don't bother man

It's an order of magnitude easier for him to make vibes-based assertions than to make a coherent counterargument

The former will continue regardless of what you say

[cyan oriole]

and the best part is that even if you make a coherent coutnerargument, the other guy can just say "no I don't agree, you're wrong" and you get nowhere

internet arguments are pure folly

[desert agate]

So easy to forget that the concept of a good faith disucssion is effectively dead on the internet

[cyan oriole]

yeah, it's just about being right

being wrong on the internet is a huge blow to the ego, if you're ever wrong on the internet, your dick shrinks by 5 inches

tragic

[mental tapir]

He probably watched the last two Perun episodes and thought "it's so over, West has fallen, etc"

[spiral cedar]

Anyone who's actually talked to the 'Greatest Generation' and read their firsthand experiences will know how entirely unprepared they were for what they were ultimately called upon to do. They were scared and uncertain and for every act of heroism there was a tale of cowardice and sadism. By modern standards the US military of the time was astoundingly amateurish and unprepared, and even after months of combat American troops struggled to overcome their greenness, reflected in particular by incredibly high loss rates amongst frontline NCOs and officers forced to lead personally to drag their reluctant troops into the attack. It was a widespread consensus after the war to speak little of its horrors, leaving later generations to cast a rosy glow over the whole timeline, depicting every scared teenager and incompetent prewar desk officer as a brave hero for freedom and democracy, but the reality spanned the whole breadth of human valor and mendacity. We do a disservice to both ourselves and them to take the postwar sheen as direct reality rather than a societal way to deal with the tragedy and hardship of the deadliest conflict in world history

[mental tapir]

🗣️🔥

Though tbh I can see where they're coming from; while the modern US is militarily very much caught up compared to back then, they also have much less industry backing them up since like the 70s and 80s when manufacturing began to be outsourced

And the current procurement struggles don't inspire confidence

[mental tapir]

This would be less worrisome if the current administration wasn't constantly berating their allies and threatening to end support

[spiral cedar]

How many people today know of the dockworker strikes during critical periods when America's logistical needs far outstripped her ability to get equipment overseas? Of how Roosevelt's party took a heavy beating in the 1942 Congressional elections over his handling of the war? Of the heavy worries and efforts of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to downplay and delay American casualty lists and death reports to the public out of a justified concern that the butcher's bill would be too much for the public? These same concerns then plague us now, and pretending they didn't have those at the time misses opportunities to not have to relearn them today

[mental tapir]

...I suppose I fell for the muh American WW2 logistics meme 🤡

[spiral cedar]

They got there eventually, but it took a decade of preparatory and consistent naval funding bills as well as a few years of wartime planned production to get there

It didn't materialize out of patriotism and civic virtue

Industrial policy is hard and takes time; what is needed is the political discipline across multiple branches to stick with it rather than flip-flopping for ideological reasons

[mental tapir]

It was a widespread consensus after the war to speak little of its horrors
So much for "lest we forget" huh

(even if I can see why)

[junior trench]

the cost of entry for modern defense industry is absurdly high

the days of being able to convert a car factory into one making planes or tanks are long, long gone

[junior trench]

Perun needs to learn to stay in his damn lane and stop commenting on things he's far less remotely qualified to speak on, lest he go the way of tires and pallets man

[mental tapir]

Isn't Germany currently converting some of their automobile factories to manufacture military vehicles instead?

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/LockheedMartin/status/1998065183780986882

Lockheed Martin (@LockheedMartin)

From ashes to altitude, the U-2 1099 flies again. 🐦‍🔥✈️
︀︀
︀︀Pulled from storage, restored and reborn, the last built U-2S is back in the skies!

**💬 22 🔁 184 ❤️ 1.2K 👁️ 35.8K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Dec 8, 2025, 4:20 PM

[autumn sorrel]

IT'S BACK

[autumn sorrel]

Making an armored car isn't as easily as making an SUV

Unless they mean converting truck factory to making UNIMOG then maybe

[mental tapir]

I mean, retooling factories to go from churning out Fords to Shermans wasn't easy either, but they managed back then

Imo if they aren't making stuff like radar or avionics or the weapon components it shouldn't be too difficult

[autumn sorrel]

Then you going to need a lot of Armor plate

It won't be much of a problem is they just retooling to make Armor car chassis or be the finally assembly for tank and AFV

[rapid cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7-3eKKjdY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_destroyer_Hatsuzuki

After watching the video I just realized why Hatsuzuki is doing that pose in her default art

She's doing her final stand

Yeah this is why I like Azur Lane

it's also referenced in her death flag quotes

[timber linden]

One should not rely on its allies as allies can quickly become foes. Having strong domestic manufacturing capabilities is paramount for the stability of nation. Civic pride would be an important component to the survival of the nation as well. How much are you willing to fight and put up with in the grand game of nations. For both points the west is failing.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.babcockinternational.com/news/hms-formidable-keel-laid-as-babcock-demonstrates-world-class-capability/

[knotty ibex]

Watch it launch itself like last time

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqIcMZY0pw

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5gV3BfLars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grx3d8LMoe8

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/navalgroup/status/1998439860869251498

Naval Group (@navalgroup)

Why choose when you can have it all…

**💬 21 🔁 94 ❤️ 681 👁️ 32.3K **

FxTwitter · Dec 9, 2025, 5:09 PM

[runic ermine]

That name sounds familiar

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/HiddenHistoryYT/status/1998265161229177095?s=20

Hidden History (@HiddenHistoryYT)

Japanese map showing their assessment of the damage done to the United States fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on 7 Dec 1941

**💬 4 🔁 67 ❤️ 433 👁️ 10.8K **

FxTwitter · Dec 9, 2025, 5:35 AM

[desert agate]

Imagine having explained to you precisely why you are wrong in detail and effectively replying with ‘nuh uh’

[autumn sorrel]

"Boeing", guarantee over budget and over priced platform.

[remote monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/tongbingxue/status/1997939306476994601?s=20
https://fxtwitter.com/136Division/status/1998302795464847381?s=20

China in Pictures (@tongbingxue)

The portrait of Emperor Zhu Yuanzhang朱元璋, founder of the Ming Dynasty, displayed in the Sacrificial Hall享殿of the Ming Xiaoling Mausoleum in Nanjing, has been replaced.
︀︀
︀︀The previously popular version, featuring an elongated face often described as "shoehorn -shaped," has now been updated to a solemn and dignified likeness preserved in the Palace Museum in Taipei. This change has refreshed the collective memory held by generations of Chinese people.
︀︀
︀︀It is understood that the earlier portrait was widely circulated among the people during the Ming Dynasty as part of efforts to mythologize the founding emperor and emphasize his divine status as the "Son of Heaven."
︀︀
︀︀History is not merely a collection of stories, but a pursuit of discerning truth from falsehood.

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FxTwitter · Dec 8, 2025, 8:00 AM

☯︎Cyber Daoist☯︎Harbin五道杠 (@136Division)

The Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty (Korea) record that:
︀︀Emperor (Zhu Yuanzhang) was “extraordinarily ugly,” with a very long chin/jaw, & his voice sounded like the bleating of a goat.
︀︀
︀︀The Portuguese missionary Gaspar da Cruz came to China in 1569 and

Quoting China in Pictures (@tongbingxue)
︀
The portrait of Emperor Zhu Yuanzhang朱元璋, founder of the Ming Dynasty, displayed in the Sacrificial Hall享殿of the Ming Xiaoling Mausoleum in Nanjing, has been replaced.
︀︀
︀︀The previously popular version, featuring an elongated face often described as "shoehorn -shaped," has now been updated to a solemn and dignified likeness preserved in the Palace Museum in Taipei. This change has refreshed the collective memory held by generations of Chinese people.
︀︀
︀︀It is understood that the earlier portrait was widely circulated among the people during the Ming Dynasty as part of efforts to mythologize the founding emperor and emph…

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Dec 9, 2025, 8:04 AM

https://fxtwitter.com/136Division/status/1998302797893382231?s=20
https://fxtwitter.com/136Division/status/1998302801626357996?s=20

☯︎Cyber Daoist☯︎Harbin五道杠 (@136Division)

recorded that he had seen a portrait of Zhu Yuanzhang, describing his facial features as “extremely ugly & terrifying to behold.”
︀︀
︀︀In the early Ming, the painter Qian Zhai (one of Zhu Yuanzhang’s portrait artists) was summoned to paint the emperor’s portrait.
︀︀After finishing,

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FxTwitter · Dec 9, 2025, 8:04 AM

☯︎Cyber Daoist☯︎Harbin五道杠 (@136Division)

Zhu Yuanzhang asked him: “Does it resemble me?” Qian Zhai honestly answered,
︀︀“It does.”
︀︀As a result, he was executed. From then on, all painters only dared to paint flattering, handsome versions.

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FxTwitter · Dec 9, 2025, 8:04 AM

[desert agate]

The MQ-28 is on budget and ahead of schedule

Not sure what the quotes are for unless you’re referring to it being developed at Boeing Australia, a distinct subsidiary of Boeing and the aircraft manufactured in Australia

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, the Aussie division, the good one then

[subtle prawn]

I think he's talking about Boeing's overall troubles

[desert agate]

Yes obviously he’s referring to the troubles with Boeing
But if he knew anything about the MQ-28 he wouldn’t have made his ill informed comment

[autumn sorrel]

Knowing that Chinese imperial family practiced a lot of cousin marriage between princes and their maternal noble family, I wouldn't be surprised if Habsuburg jaw show up sometimes.

[desert agate]

Because shockingly the MQ-28 is a very good program

[remote monolith]

Ming family in particular got some real issues man

[autumn sorrel]

I will admit that I am kinda out of the loop recently, have a lot of work and researches job into medieval history instead of modern ones

[remote monolith]

like even compared to other Imperial Chinese dynasties

[desert agate]

If anything MQ-28 is an example of how we can, if we try, develop, manufacture and operate modern, world beating platforms without spending absurd amounts of money and delivering on or ahead of schedule

Instead of buying another flawed European platform or ill suited American one

[subtle prawn]

Good to know the MQ-28 isn't suffering from all the woes that most of Boeing's modern defence projects are at the very least

[autumn sorrel]

Well, what do you expect from a family that have their start from a village brute and his kinslaying son

[remote monolith]

hey, Liu Bang's family manages to be slightly better despite also coming from comparatively humble origins

[desert agate]

It’s because Boeing Australia is structurally distinct to Boeing USA, being a direct descendant of CAC and Lawrence Wackett

[remote monolith]

altho I suppose Zhu was even more debased being a literal peasant

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah but Liu Bang descendants managed to turn themselves into puppets and lose all of their ancestors legacy

[remote monolith]

dying quickly out of a palace entirely permeated with poisonous shit probably doesn't help

[desert agate]

Yes Boeing Australia reports to its higher branch but its long history and internal culture protects it from much of the issues that plague Boeing today

[remote monolith]

Western Han got some real achievements though, Emperor Wu managed to reign for a long ass time

[autumn sorrel]

Oh yeah, Todd. I have a friend who want to do a war game mod on Qing Ming War, I already help them on Vietnam history side, figures that you might be interested in doing some history consultant.

[autumn sorrel]

The elixir of eternal life works, you know. Nothing spell “eternal” more than being immortalized as being a dumbass.

[remote monolith]

ah I'll have to pass, I'm not deep on the times of Nurhaci. Now if it's Song-adjacent I probably can help

ngl post-Ming and pre-Republic Chinese history sometimes feels bland for me, which is to say, basically the entire Qing era excepting maybe Kangxi

[autumn sorrel]

I kinda specialized in the period due unhealthy amount of obsession over armor and arms. It is really cool to see how Chinese reactions to firearms unlike that of European.

[remote monolith]

all I know is mostly that during the Qing since they're hegemonic over Asia their interests in firearms is mostly limited and the state banners generally demobilized, is that right?

[autumn sorrel]

Depends, during Kangxi time they have the most advancement in their military science around firearms, even somewhat into Qianlong time due to their war with neighbors that have strong militaries with firearms.

Qianlong successor enjoy a short but very peaceful period so they don't have much interest in military, and even if they want to, the treasury wouldn't allowed it.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6ifMZqvis

[autumn sorrel]

Ok, I did some research into it. Seem solid enough, other than the AI feature, the rest of the airframe seem to be aimed toward using texted method and off the shelf component with no fancy new toy. Kinda iffy about the whole stealth thing bc cost going to balloon once you start using expensive material but I guess they will go cheaper route with only simple RAM coating.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKO_rD-dF4 The 737 isn't what I would consider to be forgotten considering it's Boeing's best-selling airliner and has been in production for decades now…

[desert agate]

Stop commenting on something you don't know anything about

[remote monolith]

right, the Dzungar wars

and the unfortunate genocide right after

[spiral cedar]

There is, I should hope, no such thing as a 'fortunate' genocide

[remote monolith]

obviously, unless it's for an entire species of ravenous, self-multiplicating indestructible monsters or whatever

or butterflies

fuck butterflies

[desert agate]

My girlfriend loves butterflies so I'm gonna have to fight you on that one

[remote monolith]

look man, they're cute, but the larvae are spawns of Satan

the moment they show up in my tree by the dozens to hundreds with fuzz that'll give you the worst pain of your life with a touch that's where I decided they need to go

bees can take over their niche as pollen spreaders

[desert agate]

Bee parasites sending them extinct:

[remote monolith]

then flies and mosquitoes can fill that gap

[desert agate]

I would rather have honey than malaria

or Ross River

My dad had Ross River and let me tell you it aint fun

[remote monolith]

a small price to pay than drowning in living undeath

actually lepidopterans should have been exterminated altogether

[desert agate]

40 years of muscle pain is not a small price

[remote monolith]

it is when lepidoptera can make one experience things like papillonite

and even beside that, other, non-invertebrates can fill up the role of pollinators given enviromental pressures

and in the absence of angiosperms, then this world has survived entirely out of gymnosperms anyway, not much will be lost except for tasting honey

[autumn sorrel]

I don’t know man, genocide mosquitoes seem a bit more beneficial than butterflies.

[remote monolith]

they're staple food for way more animals than butterflies unfortunately

like mosquitoes are so ludicrously abundant they're the bedrock for a lot of ecosystems and without them even predatory water insects gonna starts going extinct

[autumn sorrel]

Funnily enough, that war lesson was quickly forgotten. The mobile camel guns tactic was derided as inferior bc Dzungar lose and Qing didn’t learn the actual lesson that a mobile artillery force can be really scary if massed in such numbers. And the War with Burma also turn Qing away from Artillery tactic.

[autumn sorrel]

Fine, teach me then. I am willing to learn.

[remote monolith]

oof, close to gaining insight on massed batteries, so so close

[spiral cedar]

I recall some type of disease vector insect being common but not essential to a bunch of animal diets. If not mosquitoes, do you know what it might be?

[autumn sorrel]

Well, they did adopt Bird-gun and tactic of using those thing to snipe enemy from far away

[autumn sorrel]

Lice

[spiral cedar]

Nah

I thought it was mosquitoes...

[autumn sorrel]

Wdym, Black Death is not good enough?

[spiral cedar]

Something flying

[remote monolith]

ticks are probably good examples of disease vectors that are basically just pain in the asses and doesn't occupy a major ecological niche, but if you mean flying insects, hmmm

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, nothing can beat Mosquitoes in that department

[remote monolith]

flies are no go too, maggots are nutritious for even ants

I've seen ants raiding maggot nests and carrying them wholesale into their burrows

[spiral cedar]

Definitely not flies yeah

Ah right, it was that mosquitoes aren't significant pollinators

Mixed that up with food biomass I think

[remote monolith]

oh actually I just found one that matches, kissing bugs

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah but they are staple diet of a lot of bat species

[remote monolith]

they exclusively feed on bloodsucking and generally doesn't constitute a major part of an ecosystem, nasty lots they are

widespread, but not staple diet

[autumn sorrel]

We just need to do research on how much we going to sacrifice if we decide to get rid of them

If the price is acceptable then…

[spring briar]

We can also just do some genetic engineering

Mix it in with a desirable trait

The new population will slowly replace the old

[remote monolith]

that'll work pretty fine

and for mosquitoes it's been done repeatedly with good results

[autumn sorrel]

Lol

LOL

God, this will be such a one sided event

[lilac pollen]

Up tier experience

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ZoxR8OsXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYG_6QIiimM

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/mason_8718/status/1998766415042806044

Mason ヨンハク (@mason_8718)

Breaking news. Peru and South Korea have officially signed a historic contract for 54 K2 Black Panther tanks and 141 K808 White Tiger APCs. Congratulations! This marks the first export of K2 tanks to Latin America and the largest ground equipment contract ever signed by South Korea with a Latin American country. Peru is building and preparing advanced submarines and frigates with Hyundai Heavy Industries and is also working with KAI on fighter aircraft projects.
︀︀Major Korean defense companies and related agencies are also closely cooperating with Brazil and Colombia in South America.
︀︀Hyundai Rotem next plans to sell the K2 in Romania and the Middle Eastern countries.

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FxTwitter · Dec 10, 2025, 2:47 PM

[runic ermine]

A lot of events in early Canadian post confederation history can be summed up as "ethnic group unhappy"

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7nxc65avz2x

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

During WWII, the Japanese Navy requisitioned all 36 passenger liners belonging to NYK Lines and converted them to aircraft carriers and troop transports. By 1945, all the liners had been sunk except the hospital ship Hikawa Maru which is now a museum. #WarshipWednesday

Bluesky · Dec 10, 2025, 9:00 PM

[versed rampart]

TLDR: ethnicity

[subtle prawn]

https://breakingdefense.com/2025/12/navy-wants-new-frigate-in-2028-says-services-acquisition-head/

[subtle prawn]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-plans-production-advanced-taurus-missiles-2029-2025-12-09/

[peak mango]

Not a horrible plan. Hopefully not too many mods.

[peak mango]

FWIW this was the HII proposal back in 2020 for the FFG(X)

[burnt scarab]

They capture my homeland during WWII

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhctXgJEow

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qPbRcGcvuY

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7qohmjagf2p

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

#OTD in 1941, the destroyers Hayate and Kisaragi became the first Japanese surface warships to be sunk following Pearl Harbor. Hayate exploded after being hit by Marine 5" coast-defense guns while Kisaragi was sunk by Marine F4F-3 Wildcats during the Battle of Wake Island.

Bluesky · Dec 11, 2025, 11:00 PM

[karmic herald]

less than a year and I graduate with a bachelors degree in history, I should but an Azur Lane girl on my cap

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[dire karma]

what u think about Formidale ?(hostoricaly)

[cyan oriole]

decent design for such a novel concept

[burnt scarab]

Is this legal Polaris ?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dt8FOYyDjE

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15_a28Kbq0

https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3m7t3laduvd2t

U.S. Naval Institute (@usni.org)

#OTD in 1937, USS Panay was attacked and sunk in China by Japanese forces. The Japanese claimed they had misidentified the ship and that the attack was an accident.

Bluesky · Dec 12, 2025, 10:00 PM

[supple sandal]

"There is no way elephants can cross the Alps"
"There is no way they can move tanks through the Ardennes"
"There is no way the Viet Minh can bring heavy weapons all the way up h-"

[karmic herald]

wdym? if ur talking about putting stuff on graduation caps at my college lots of people do it. If ur talking about mentioning that I study history in this chat idk I just thought I could haha. Also, about putting ship girl on my hat I’d just have to choose a sfw photo lol

[burnt scarab]

I'm talking about putting stuff on graduation caps Polaris. Really ?

[remote monolith]

to be fair for the elephants one

nearly all of them died on the way

except one, Surus, and seemingly Surus was never committed to any battle

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/BoeingDefense/status/1999156523352850551

Boeing Defense (@BoeingDefense)

On the (﹙˓ radar ˒﹚).
︀︀
︀︀The first B-52 Radar Modernization Program rapid prototype for the @USAirForce has been delivered to @EdwardsAFB for testing. The radar upgrades improve the aircraft’s navigation accuracy – targeting and tracking while providing new, high-resolution mapping.

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FxTwitter · Dec 11, 2025, 4:37 PM

[supple sandal]

Ermmm

It is a big fat plane

That drop bombs and missiles

Less bombs more missiles now

It doesn't need better radar really

[junior trench]

wait until you find out radar is for more than just air to air

that's a radar generated image of ground targets

from an F-35 in this case

[spring briar]

I love how you can see the tracks in the ground

[shrewd pecan]

terrain mapping radars have been a thing since WW2

for a B-52 yeah its a vital capability especially when terrain following/terrain mapping is a vital capability for navigation in GPS restricted or denied environments like you'd find in a nuclear war

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xnq0ggIwC0

[timid topaz]

[versed rampart]

When Japan was taking over SEA, how did the inhabitants feel about it at first?

[subtle prawn]

From what I've heard, some of them had positive feelings at first

[remote monolith]

In some regions like Java and Aceh they were initially welcomed

However that very quickly turned sour as it was realized Japan had no intention of giving them independence and were overall oppressive

In others their cruelty was quickly recognized like in Singapore or the Philippines and they always lacked popular support there

[hollow niche]

Is Brennus a paper ship?

All I can find when searching the name is an old dreadnought

[subtle prawn]

She's based on a Saint Louis-class cruiser design

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalnews.com/post/3m7wsridxu22m

Naval News (@navalnews.com)

The nuclear reactor of the fourth Suffren-class nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN), De Grasse (S638), was fired up for the first time. With this new milestone, known as “divergence”, the De Grasse (S638) is on track to start alpha sea trials 🇫🇷 ☢️
www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2...

-# French Navy starts nuclear reactor on 4th Barracuda type attack submarine - Naval News
The nuclear reactor of the fourth Suffren-class nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN), De Grasse (S638), was fired up for the first time.

Bluesky · Dec 14, 2025, 9:33 AM

[zealous vine]

Decided to call the entire pagoda bridge a conning tower

Would've toppled right before the refit even ended

Some overconfident guy even supported it and went an hominem on any disprovers

[junior trench]

Depends how you define "conning tower"

Because if you require it to be armored then accordingly the British just don't have any on many battleships

Whereas if you define it as spaces within the main tower which remains occupied even when under fire

Then, yeah, it do be a tall ass conning tower

[zealous vine]

Ic

[junior trench]

It's especially relevant for Fuso because even the fire control computer is up there

Outside of the armored section

[zealous vine]

The standard definition is the armored part no

[junior trench]

Like I said

In that case

[zealous vine]

Personal definition again

[junior trench]

Many British BBs just don't have one

Which is why within the umbrella of conning towers you often get things called armored conns and unarmored conns

And depending who you ask, they aren't mutually exclusive

[zealous vine]

Wtf

I respect that

[junior trench]

Welcome to naval technology categorization

Where the labels are hilariously fuzzy and the points don't matter

[cyan oriole]

Brennus is a Saint-Louis class cruiser

6 names were proposed, but of course France fell before anything could be done

Saint-Louis, Henri IV, Charlemagne, Brennus, Charles Martel, Vercingetorix

same proposed names go for the Alsaces (Alsace, Normandie, Flandre, Bourgogne), the 4 names were proposed, but none were technically accepted, they are just what are used

the "Kléber"s (theorietically they should be the Marceaus) are a bit different, Kléber Marceau Hoche Desaix were ordered and named
but like the others, 6 names were proposed for future construction (Bayard, Du Guesclin, D'Assas, La Tour d'Auvergne, Turenne, Bugeaud), but none were selected

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy8iBoJC8Cs

[runic ermine]

Why do communist militaries tend to take higher losses in wars?

[spiral cedar]

They don't always

In the case of, say, the USSR in WWII or the PRC in Korea, it's primarily a result of fighting enemies with more industry and air superiority

But if you look at, say, the PLA invasion of Vietnam, it's not because one side is "more communist" than the other, it was deficient PLA firepower and tactics

And if you look at casualties in non-communist nations in conflicts, they are often likewise also very high

See the Nationalists against the imperial Japanese for example

Generally speaking if you have inferior industry you will have to suffer more casualties

[remote monolith]

The Soviet Union was also surprised in a massive attack

[junior trench]

*due to an own goal

"the intelligence saying the Germans are about to invade you cannot be real if you don't give it consenst"

"just say no"

[spiral cedar]

Sure, and after that, being on the tactical offensive tends to be costlier as well. Being caught mid-army restructuring also added to their troubles. Likewise Red Army operational art took a few years of terrible offensives to become a match for the Heer. But if I have to explain to someone that tactical skill matters in war I think there are more fundamental issues that need fixing first

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, Khalkin Gol also have Red Army suffered way more casualties despite have absolute advantage in Armor and Artillery

[autumn sorrel]

"Restructuring" is a very generous term to describe the Red Army at the time.

[spiral cedar]

Higher casualties but I wouldn't necessarily say "way more" on the scale off WWII casualty ratios

Depending on source, but suffering roughly 20% more deaths on the offensive is hardly worthy of the label "way more"

[junior trench]

the real wild and whacky casualty ratios are to be found on the Western Front of the ETO tbh

[autumn sorrel]

You'd think that having more tank and tube artillery will decrease the casualty number

[junior trench]

where you regularly had the attacker taking fewer casualties than the defender

Soviet artillery handling was, and continued to be uh

very blunt

and very top down

pre-planned fires directed as designated areas, with little to no provision for active support by artillery to units during the attack

which is why you see such a surge in direct fire artillery vehicles (all the SUs)

the most reactive artillery on hand for the Soviets is direct fire assault guns, not the actual artillery

this is not a recipe for clean success

[spiral cedar]

I mean yeah, that's usually the case. Doesn't mean that tactical considerations don't also play a role though

The point of discussion was the strategic and grand strategic level factors in which some communist states suffered high losses in their wars

[runic ermine]

Speaking from experience?

[runic ermine]

Its a question I've felt like asking for a long time and now that im done my exams I can ask it

[spiral cedar]

Well I hope it helps shift one's understanding of history away from stereotypes derived from famous examples and towards looking at underlying trends and counter-examples

[junior trench]

add another point to the board for "people assuming I'm involved in an ongoing conflict"

[runic ermine]

1. I was joking
2. I've known what you are for like a year

Mostly based on an assumption

[runic ermine]

Yeah that's why I asked

[spiral cedar]

smh we all know you're an ongoing participant in the Moon War

[runic ermine]

For example, In Spain the Republicans routinely took higher casualties than the Nationalists

However the Republicans were on the offensive a lot in the early years

And most of the professional army sided with our boy Franco

[runic ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/agartha-flight-reacts-flight-gif-8221136049492250986

[autumn sorrel]

Their doctrines were well thoroughly research by those that serious about in

[versed rampart]

Is it true that Ukraine is an artifical country

[spiral cedar]

All countries are artificial

Do you see trees or squirrels forming countries

[eternal veldt]

Something something Pixy something something borders something something given us

[versed rampart]

Usually artificial country is something with little history and exists due to political or colonial reasons (like all countries in the Americas, Moldova, Pakistan)

[eternal veldt]

This reeks of irredentism, chief.

[autumn sorrel]

By that metric then a lot of Countries will be fake and should be broken down to old tribal line

[spiral cedar]

That's the thing, it's not a metric

[autumn sorrel]

It ain't Imperial either

[spiral cedar]

It's left deliberately vague and open to interpretation so that anyone can flex the definitions to justify anything

The historian knows that by picking the starting point for the narrative you want to tell you can choose the "logical" end result

You can pick out whatever "starting point" you want for a country and dismiss the others, and you can conclude it has "little history" and thus delegitimize it and justify destroying it

It's not a term with any meaning to the historian, it's a political and rhetorical tool

[autumn sorrel]

Oh, I know. I know full well how the game can be play to justify delegitimize a country existence.

[eternal veldt]

Annexation as well, as it had happened some time ago

[spiral cedar]

Destruction by another name

[eternal veldt]

Something involving Aryans

[autumn sorrel]

Something something, I have a history and you are not. Something something, I am civilized and you are Barbarian.

[spiral cedar]

You can say modern day federal Germany is an artificial construct created by the late Cold War order that serves only as a weapon of "the West" aimed at Eastern Europe, or you can say Germany is a Prussian imperial construct to dominate the many peoples of Central Europe who share a language family, or you can say they're a sacred and timeless national spirit that dates back to Teutoberg and uncritically rely on Tacitus to paint broad strokes over the many Germanic tribes

And a dozen other points and narratives in between

Whatever suits the narrative that ends with what your desired political stance is

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, I welcome an Alien invasion. At least we will stop killing each other over mutual threat of Species annihilation.

[spiral cedar]

Yeah right

[autumn sorrel]

"I promise, it was necessary to nuke China to deny them the biomass there"

[eternal veldt]

As it stands, I feel we have little chance of forming a united front even against a greater threat.

But, that's my cynicism speaking, and much of that has to do with current geopolitics.

[autumn sorrel]

Return to ship then, I am having a lot of success sinking NATO warship in Sea Power with Soviet wake homing torp. Are they really scary or NATO designs just bad at surviving a hit at the stern?

[spiral cedar]

They are fairly scary

Cold War era doctrine I believe was to book it at full power while doing course changes and let it run out of fuel

Since the relative closure rate is relatively low and the torpedo was very limited fuel

I personally always wondered if going in a circle and then leaving on a tangent has any hope of tricking the torpedo into going circular

[autumn sorrel]

I think the modern one is much faster with more fuel.

[spiral cedar]

If the ship being targeted was very important (e.g. a carrier), it was also an option to have a destroyer cross the wake and take the "aggro" so to speak

[autumn sorrel]

I heard someone said about doing a notch and pray that Torp don't follow you out.

[spiral cedar]

In more recent decades there have been efforts to make hard-kill anti-torpedo systems, but the USN hasn't put one into service yet due to not finding their prototypes quite satisfactory

Specifically anti-torpedo torpedoes I mean

[autumn sorrel]

Also, is USN still developing CAT? I know the Russian have PAKET but USN don't really talk about CAT anymore.

[spiral cedar]

[spiral cedar]

Obviously the ideal case was to kill the enemy sub first with your own SSN

[autumn sorrel]

I know Alfa is very loud sub, what about the others one? Disregard Kilo, only count Soviet SSNs.

[spiral cedar]

You'll have to wait for someone else to come in and answer

[desert agate]

I was about to say 'Is Germany a fake country?' but Jaba got to it first

But what makes the United Kingdom any more a real country?

Shall we call Russia a real country?
Under what metric is it real?

[spiral cedar]

England is the colonial enterprise of the Normans

[desert agate]

Which itself was a colonial enterprise of the Norse

[spiral cedar]

[desert agate]

There's really only 2 countries I can think of that date back far enough as to either not be considered colonial enterprises or we just don't have the records dating back and that's Iran and China

And even then most of China is a product of sinicisation

Ethiopia I guess? but that's just a mishmash of ethnic groups that never truly unified until quite recently

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, you could argue Japan as well. Unless you consider that the Yamato is migrant from East Asia mainland.

[desert agate]

The Yamato people are not the original inhabitants of that landmass

[autumn sorrel]

Same go for most of history human, I supposed

[spring briar]

In the end we are all a mix of hunter gatherer and neolithic farmer

[remote monolith]

the Han Chinese themselves are also not the original people of the lands they call China

as for the Iranians, the current Iranic nation itself can be argued to not be anywhere near the continuation of the pre-Islamic civilization due to having little with people like the Scythians or the Bactrians, modern Iranians tend to trace their lineages from more recent Savafid influences instead

it's like Jaba said, it's very nebulous in the end and can be picked and chosen whatever they want

[old verge]

Yamato people? you mean the Japanese?

[desert agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people

Yes

[runic ermine]

My country is a mix of a lot of Europeans and First Nations groups

[cyan oriole]

it's not communist countries, it's more totalitarian countries

totalitarians that don't care about their subjects will sometimes have very high casualties

in the Soviet case, it was because the USSR was running over the German army permanently, to try and destroy the Germans before they could recover

and that was successful, but it also led to a lot of Soviet casualties

[spring briar]

@solemn breach

[runic ermine]

But commie militaries tend to take high losses against fascist ones

[cyan oriole]

how often do communist miltaries fight against fascist ones

that's happened like 3 times total?

[runic ermine]

Spain and WW2

[cyan oriole]

yeah and both involved atrocities and brutality

[runic ermine]

I mean in combat

The Spanish Republican Army usually took very high casualties

[cyan oriole]

the thing about the USSR is that it's still Russia, and Russian total war involves heavy casualties

[runic ermine]

Thats because they're usually big wars

[cyan oriole]

communist dictatorship and incompetent leadership makes it worse for sure

but russia will be russia

[runic ermine]

Spanish Republicans....

[cyan oriole]

I guess you could think of it as an exacerbator
not all communist militaries will necessarily throw away soldiers, but compared to democracies, they will be worse

move the bell cuve of the normal distribution

and the reason is the same for every dictatorship: it's a dictatorship lul

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrgTFfRwik

[fierce oracle]

10 years of being a dominant stealth aircraft 10 years being legacy stealth

Honestly quite incredible

[junior trench]

tf is "legacy stealth" even supposed mean dog

[old verge]

So I can say myself as the Yamato people

[desert agate]

I suppose that depends on weather or not you are descended from one of Japans ethnic minorities such as the Ainu

[junior trench]

until 2008 Japan didn't even recognize the Ainu as an ethnic minority, and it took til 2019 for the Japanese government to recognize them as indigenous ... before the next year having a deputy PM say, "No other country but this one has lasted for as long as 2,000 years with one language, one ethnic group, and one dynasty."

[desert agate]

Crazy what a genocide will do

Western countries apologise for the genocides they commit, they return land and make efforts to revive language and culture

Japan has no need to do so because it denies that a genocide took place, it systematically ignores any claims that it did so and refuses to take any measures towards reconciliation beyond the most marginally symbolic

[remote monolith]

in fairness, which western people as well, it depends, many Dutch certainly did not feel guilty of ever doing colonization, and Europe in general only started doing that because they were devastated by multiple gigantic wars and reduced to at best regional powers because of the logical endpoint of their own views

[autumn sorrel]

I think it is the norm for all Asian countries. All of our land is the result of war and conquest, why should we apologize to people that we defeated in war.

[desert agate]

Fuck off

That's bullshit and you know it

[autumn sorrel]

And calling Ainu Wars a genocide is seriously patronizing the Ainu who were able to hold off Yamato expansion as long as it is.

[desert agate]

I'm not calling the wars a genocide I'm calling the century+ of systematic cultural repression, forced marriage and rape a genocide

Unless you'd like to deny that happened in which case I won't engage in this discussion any longer

[autumn sorrel]

Spon, you are talking from a very Western POV of history.

[desert agate]

That is literally what happened

It is documented by Japanese, Ainu and Western intellectuals

Genocide is not a western point of view it is a thing that happened

[autumn sorrel]

I do not deny it but you are asking a very radical policies from their position that instead of reconciliation will result in way more hard line nationalism.

[desert agate]

Is it radical to stop denying genocide?

Is it radical to make at least a token effort to repair the damage which you have done to a people?

Is it radical to apologise for over a century of linguistic and cultural oppression, sending an indigenous people into poverty where they remain today?

As someone who is the product of a genocide not dissimilar to the one committed against the Ainu, I personally do not consider those things radical whatsoever

In fact I consider them the bare minimum

[autumn sorrel]

True, it is bare minimum but this isn't an ideal world where people will admit that mistake. We barely got the Japanese gov to start their annual WW2 apologies this year. You really think they will start rewriting history book about something they are proud of?

[remote monolith]

what happened to the Ainu is pretty much equivalent to the ones that happened to the Native Americans, and that one's pretty unashamedly a genocide

[remote monolith]

nothing is impossible given time

[desert agate]

I do not care

The fact is that Japan commited a genocide and it refuses to acknowledge that it did so

[autumn sorrel]

And American have the institutions to help reflect and tried to make amend, Japan culture and society doesn't

[desert agate]

The institutions of reconcilliation did not exist in Australia or America 100 years ago

[remote monolith]

even the Indonesian government have begun to budge from their "350 years of colonization" angle and there's at least efforts to acknowledge atrocities

[autumn sorrel]

I would say that having a democratic style gov help.

[autumn sorrel]

They will be real quiet about Aceh

[desert agate]

Is Japan no longer a democracy?

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, they wasn't until post ww2 and Japanese still quite not have that democratic civic value like that of America or Australia.

[autumn sorrel]

Problem with trying to acknowledge anything happen few centuries ago is that you will start undermining the legitimacy of the curent gov over many of its territory. Should other regions that weren't historically belonged to Majapahit be better on their own? Or should Vietnam and Thailand start return large part of their land to Cambodia bc it was former parts of Khmer Empire.

[remote monolith]

I don't think so, the current Indonesian government have freely admitted it has nothing to do with Majapahit as it is a modern construct that started in 1928

[desert agate]

Fun fact I do not care
That is a bullshit excuse and certainly wouldn't fly in a court of law let alone pass the pub test

[desert agate]

That's not how native title works mate

[autumn sorrel]

And you want the truth, my ancestor done worse to Cham people. If Ainu still preserve their culture, what Cham have left barely anything more than a pottery bowl.

[remote monolith]

let's not go into an olympics of atrocities

[desert agate]

So what, are you proud that your ancestors commited genocide?

[autumn sorrel]

It would be a funny one in SEA

[autumn sorrel]

No

[junior trench]

unless you're delusional enough to think that admitting you're on land you didn't originally own is grounds for what would be a genocide the likes of which has never been conceived of before, this really isn't a concern

[versed rampart]

There is not enough awareness on the cham

[autumn sorrel]

Didn't we established yesterday that a lot of current human are not living on land that their ancestor originated from?

[desert agate]

Irrelevant to native title claims

[autumn sorrel]

True, they are group with Khmer instead of being a distinct group

[junior trench]

non sequitur

[versed rampart]

Two reasons

1. forced integration
2. mostly an obscure group internationally

there is also an anti muslim sentiment involved but that could count under 1

[autumn sorrel]

The Muslim policy is not unique but just continuation of force assimilation policies of previous dynasty. Which itself ironically originate from force Sinicization policies of Northern dynasty.

You could argue that all are equally oppressed.

[versed rampart]

how is the situation for the cham in the current day though

[autumn sorrel]

Let see, racial attack, bias of judicial system, land grabbing by Kinh, erasure of all speaking and writing. Pretty much a silent culture genocide.

[autumn sorrel]

It would be easy enough to do but asking for reparations would be too radical right now. Best they could do is cited previous historical discrimination policies to ask for economic assistance.

[autumn sorrel]

You seem somewhat knowledgeable about this

Not many would care

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, „what would be a genocide the likes of which has never been conceived of before“. I thought we were talking about Ainu historical discrimination, why are you using a hypothetical future? Who is getting genocide?

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/really-understanding-the-text-benjamin-learn-english-with-benjamin-truly-understand-the-text-understand-the-text-properly-gif-22081787

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s2rHcqz9cU

[fierce oracle]

Old, outdated and not really effective? The raptor had no head mounted systems, it had the first missile approach warning system on any American aircraft (extremely late) it weighs a fuck ton (iron RAM coats do that) and us saved by just being cool when the F-35 kinda just does everything the raptor dies but better

Is the raptor bad? God no but the competition (even domestically) has put it doen to legacy, aircraft like the felon weigh several tons lighter with comparable RCS

Theres an aging fleet of raptors with a sparingly little parts, they’re still flying cause the engines has an astonishing service life and the airframe as well. But the F-35 is just straight up bettet

[junior trench]

can't be arsed to deal with PRATTs

[mental tapir]

But muh supercruise and >Mach 2 speed

[runic ermine]

Ok im done my exams so who wants to talk about Dominion and Empire troops in the Second Boer War?

Mainly their uniforms, equipment, deployment and performance

For example, did you guys know that Canada used different webbing than the British?

The British used the Slade-Wallace equipment
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thinred/valises_1888.html

While the Canadians used the Oliver Pattern Equipment
https://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/exhibitions/boer/boerwarequipment_e.html

The Canadians also participated in the Battle of Paardeberg, the first major Empire victory of the war which led to 10% of the Boer Army becoming PoWs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Paardeberg

[lime scarab]

Ok question but has IJN soyzu wreak was found in 2019? Because according to google she was found with kaga, kagai and Hiryu?

[desert agate]

You mean Soryu?

Akagi and Kaga have been found

Soryu and Hiryu have not

[remote monolith]

especially Hiryu

[desert agate]

Hiryu is much harder to find thanks to her adventures post abandoning

[mental tapir]

New gear is F4U (VBF-94 Squadron) http://www.wings-aviation.ch/25-Navy-Sqn/VBF-Squadrons/094/VBF-94.htm

[fierce oracle]

If you cant support an argument then its fine to admit it

[lime scarab]

What do you mean by that?

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/flightradar24.com/post/3ma7kywwxhk2u

Flightradar24 (@flightradar24.com)

On this day in 1935, the DC-3 first took flight. From ushering in passenger air travel to a leading role in WWII to remaining a workhorse in the world’s most inhospitable climates 90 years later, the DC-3 continues to be a true aviation icon.

Bluesky · Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 PM

[autumn sorrel]

I wish the modern repro of DC-3 were more popular

Such a beautiful plane

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6MoD6lJHo

[mental tapir]

Hmm, Wikipedia says they used F4U-1Ds and sank Ise with it, but there's no citation and I can't find anything like this on Ise's page

[junior trench]

...

Take your time and reread the text in the second image

[mental tapir]

I suppose she's part of the "eleven more bombs dropped by other aircraft from TF 58"

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OXFnVCJHBc

[desert agate]

She stayed afloat for about 2 days after being 'scuttled'

She had to be scuttled a second time and a rescue mission sent for some of the sailors who remained aboard

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/zIrOhD5YPMQ

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/KjVHW7a4XUw

[timber linden]

Mcd used all its engineering on one plane. Everything after wards was pretty trash

[subtle prawn]

Last I checked, Douglas didn't merge with McDonnell until 1967

[junior trench]

it's also a pretty wild claim to make about Douglas, considering, you know, gestures vaguely in the direction of US carrier aviation and transport aircraft

[mental tapir]

Ed Heinemann disrespect

[timber linden]

Tri motors, I dont care as it robbed someone of a noble prize

[junior trench]

???

[remote monolith]

three of the largest (known) dinosaurian carnivores in Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous periods

the middle one is actually a legit TIL for me

turns out it's a very obscure and fragmentary specimen found in 1915, described in 1935, but afterwards deemed too fragmentary and dubious to be considered part of the Szechuanosaurus genus

afaik there's still no comprehensive redescription of whatever the fuck this thing is, but it is apparently BIG, just not as weighty or bulky as Tyrannosaurus

it basically dwarfed Torvosaurus, Allosaurus and Yanchuanosaurus and might only be equalled by the 'Edmarka rex' Torvosaurus specimen and 'Epanterias', who are both seemingly freakishly large specimens of the previous animals

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Waudqb1rs

[timber linden]

T Rex is such a chunk

[remote monolith]

It's still the heaviest macropredator by a significant margin yeah, with the heaviest specimen approximated at about 16-18 tons

[junior trench]

every time some dinosaur comes along to possibly dethrone Tyrannosaurus, another new discovery about The King refutes that

[maiden citrus]

respect on the name

[remote monolith]

It helps that the rex appeared just after a significant extinction event that basically wiped out its competitors

It was basically the ultimate expression for something that rapidly took over an environment and grew insanely fucking massive

[runic ermine]

This shot goes hard

[timber linden]

There not a major event between jurassic and cretaceous.

[remote monolith]

Lol, lmao

The Cenomanian-Turonian Event and the Aptian Event wiped out a good chunk of lifeforms

Cenomanian-Turonian killed the Spinosaurids and the Carcharodontosaurids among others and paved the way for Tyrannosauroid dominance in the north and Abelisaurid in the south

While the Aptian took the last of the Stegosaurs with it

It may be 'minor' comparsd to K-Pg but were still devastating

[brittle glacier]

Question: Do American VLS systems launch Harpoons or is it some other launch method?

[subtle prawn]

The Mk41 does not fire Harpoons, they have their own separate launcher

[brittle glacier]

Fuckin’ weird…are Harpoons too big for those, or?

[junior trench]

no

it's just never been particularly relevant

and they're also such a low usage item that taking up VLS space for them was just never worth it compared to bolting on a set of a quad tubes wherever

[brittle glacier]

Fair.

[fierce oracle]

where did all of the allosauroids go then? they were doing fine and were sucessful

the end jurassic extinction happened cause theres a dearth of life in the transitonal period between the late jurassic and early cretaceous

[autumn sorrel]

Big T is big, 'nough said

[eternal veldt]

Y'all really take the bait hook, line and sinker

[timber linden]

Farm up north

[shrewd pecan]

no real point considering standards can be used for anti-ship, duty if you're really needing to get off that volume of anti-ship missiles

[fierce schooner]

Good day guys.

[spring briar]

Sup man

[fierce schooner]

I’m 🆒 and you ?

[spring briar]

Same

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvRQYMfkBfg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-45mPI9Qro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFBoBAllLAg

[autumn sorrel]

"Golden fleet", I fucking hate this timeline

[subtle prawn]

Tell me about it

[mental tapir]

Golden Kirin, Glorious Harbinger of Imperial Dawn

[lime scarab]

What’s your thoughts on them trying to do a frigate class again

[subtle prawn]

In the water by 2028 is a bit ambitious

[mental tapir]

US on their way to lose global naval dominance like the British did 🗣️🔥

[autumn sorrel]

Going to face the same problem again. They going to mission creep the hell out of the design and then start small tinkering with whichever hull that currently lay on dock. No way any hull with hit water in that date.

[runic ermine]

I like the name...

[lime scarab]

Isn’t the legends class through a proven design the navy wants since it has many design elements they are look for.

[autumn sorrel]

Problem is that the Navy want something that have Aegis or can incorporate Aegis. With FREMM at least you have a ship that already built with Air defense in mind with space allocated for VLS, you kinda have to redraw Legend entirely to fit the Navy requirements.

[unborn wyvern]

VOODOO ❤️

If the Voodoo were a woman I would attempt to make awkward conversation with it and probably just default to asking about the weather 😤

[ashen furnace]

“Starve before doing business with the damned navy. They don’t know what the hell they want and will drive you up a wall before they break either your heart or a more exposed part of your anatomy.”

-Clarence “Kelly” Johnson

[cyan oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-mario-7up-nintendo-boos-gif-10559903

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/france-to-build-large-new-nuclear-aircraft-carrier/

[timber linden]

Look europe can defend itself

[autumn sorrel]

Europe
Look inside
French

[timber linden]

Your right, my mistake

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/FBI/status/2002740986401771701

FBI (@FBI)

Today, the #FBI honors the 270 victims who lost their lives on December 21, 1988, when Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland. This tragic event was one of the deadliest and most complex acts of international terrorism ever investigated by the FBI, leaving a lasting impact and helping create a template for how we support victims of crime today. Learn more about this pivotal case at fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/pan-am-103-bombing.

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FxTwitter · Dec 21, 2025, 2:00 PM

[autumn sorrel]

Sometimes, I don't understand of the logic of those that bomb passenger plane. They are not targeting enemy leaders or military infrastructure but civilians and place that not involved at all to their political demands.

I understand terrorism as a mean for political moves but do they realize that targeting civilian will harden their targeted nation resolve and lessen support for their causes?

[subtle prawn]

It's believed that it was ordered by somebody high up in the Libyan government as retaliation for their losses in those clashes between them and the Americans

[autumn sorrel]

Like, 9/11 was enough for Islamphobia in the West and I don't think Brit trusting any Irish after the whole Trouble period. Now imagine someone from a place you never heard of start bombing and hijack plane, killing your loved ones. Pretty sure they are not going to pressure their gov to talk with you, if anything they will call for blood.

[autumn sorrel]

You mean the 86' bombing?

Which was retaliation of another terror attack by Libyan Intelligence in West Berlin?

Reading back history and you start to see how really dumb Gaddafi tbh. Dude just can't stop antagonize everyone around him and America.

[junior trench]

They really need to bring back basic computer safety classes in schools

[subtle prawn]

I was taught that if something sounds too good to be true, it almost certainly is

[autumn sorrel]

Huh, what this about?

[junior trench]

People managing to still fall for the basic ass phishing scheme

And then having their accounts get used to spam crypto/NFTs/Cash app scams

Like what happened just recently in this channel

[autumn sorrel]

Ah

[autumn sorrel]

I think it is more of a civic lesson instead of something in Computer Science. I don't think they teach you how to install and use VM just to open daily email.

You need to be less trusting of online email tbh and should have knowledge of how institutions like gov and bank send email.

And really don't click on any link in email unless it is from password recovery email.

[subtle prawn]

Is that shit not widely taught? I remember being taught some basic safety lessons while I was in primary school over a decade ago

[junior trench]

It's not taught anymore

Widely at least

Because "muh digital natives"

Bah

[autumn sorrel]

Depends, it was taught briefly during my 2nd college year but nothing during my highschool

[junior trench]

More like natives to walled gardens

The app-ification of everything has actively murdered computer literacy

[autumn sorrel]

I am telling you, the current gen is even more tech illiterate than me when I was 18. I literally have someone use AI to code and then pass it off to me as part of their contribution to the group project.

[subtle prawn]

Really? Because some of those lessons I was taught years ago are still etched into my brain

[autumn sorrel]

I don't think 99% of school that isn't specialized in Computer Science will teach you anything other than the basic of how to use Offices.

[mental tapir]

I still remember the computer lab classes with games that taught us how to use Ctrl alt del like 15-20 years ago 👴

I suppose the only option left for people who want to escape app-ification and general platform decay is Linux

https://tenor.com/view/how-linux-users-install-a-web-browser-linux-linux-users-gif-20223386

[timber linden]

Try and install a printer driver

[desert agate]

The worlds oldest professional sporting rivalry, the 140 year old Ashes between Australia and England has once again been retained by Australia

Cricket is one of the worlds oldest sports, it is also the worlds 2nd most popular, being played across the former British empire, but also in countries that were never colonised, or at least those that reject their colonial histories

In Australia and England it has caused riots and brawls, there is a strong history of pub fights in Australian and English cities after particularly hard fought matches

Between India and Pakistan cricket has been used as a tool of diplomacy, used to warm tensions between two nuclear powers, as well as indicating when tensions freeze again

In a more modern context, cricket is being used to undermine the Taliban in Afghanistan, as the International Cricket Council (ICC) refuses to use the Taliban flag for the Afghan team, and does not allow players to play under it

The 'gentlemen's game' is stronger than ever, and the rivalries and histories that define sport continue to be written, with new stories for the history books with every match

[autumn sorrel]

Spon, which sporting magazine did you just quote?

[versed rampart]

question is who will be willing to fight

[timber linden]

That is not a question that can be answered here

[desert agate]

I literally wrote it myself

[desert agate]

Have you paid any attention the last few years?

Europeans are more than willing to fight

[autumn sorrel]

It should be "which demographic of Europe is willing to fight whom and where". You won't have much of a problem finding volunteer in Poland, Hungary and the Baltics but not much in others. Those of the younger gen who want to fight already either join up or volunteer to Ukraine, what you have left is either people who see no economic incentive to join or people who actively hate their own gov and see no reason to serve.

They are fine with sending aid and weapons but they will bicker non stop when it come to manpower.

[desert agate]

European NATO members combined are the worlds largest standing army, the worlds highest military spending and contain 2 nuclear powers

[autumn sorrel]

"Combine"

[desert agate]

NATO is a combined, integrated military command structure

The European army already exists, it's just not called that

[autumn sorrel]

You need a unified command structure to wield a multi national Army like that and we are talking about Europe where States will literally hinder each other in NATO for their own politic reason.

[desert agate]

Oh wow, you need a unified command structure? Wow, I wonder you could possibly call that position

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Allied_Commander_Europe

Oh.

[mental tapir]

I do wonder if France will really have the political will to make their spicy warning shot if it comes down to it

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, they do

Problem is German

[desert agate]

NATO -US & Canada is still the worlds most powerful military alliance

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, you do realize that this seat has always been held by an US officer? It not an European Army but more of a joint command for NATO. If we are hypothetically talk about a scenario where US leave NATO to their own defense, Europe can't really depends on US command structure does it?

[autumn sorrel]

Yes, I am not dispute that. But this started out as a joke about how Europe said that they can defend themselves on their own and all what shown is just French doing French thing like they have always do while majority of Europe that isn't Eastern Europe still commit only halfway.

[desert agate]

It wasn't a joke it was idiotic people trying to push political agendas in this channel

[autumn sorrel]

Fair enough

[maiden citrus]

nice

[subtle prawn]

https://www.twz.com/sea/navys-new-frigate-will-not-have-vertical-launch-systems-for-missiles

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/2003229804431090044 (This may or may not be crossing the current events rule)

The White House (@WhiteHouse)

Navy's new class of Large Surface Combatants: THE BATTLESHIP.
︀︀
︀︀The most lethal surface combatant ever constructed. 🇺🇸

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FxTwitter · Dec 22, 2025, 10:22 PM

[winged patrol]

TRUMP: This new ships will be 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2025/12/22/trump-unveils-new-battleship-class-proposed-uss-defiant-will-be-largest-u-s-surface-combatant-since-wwii

[cyan oriole]

seems like a waste of money, but at least it's a step in the right direction

I don't think that I've seen anything more Trump than this

our ships are big, they're the biggest. China asks me, how are your ships so big, I tell them "it's magic, Trump magic"

[spring briar]

Never gonna happen

[cyan oriole]

20-25 ships of 35 thousand tons each, seems practical

[autumn sorrel]

What?

[autumn sorrel]

Oh for fuck sake

[subtle prawn]

As in, the first ones constructed will not have VLS

[autumn sorrel]

So just a slightly upgunned Legend

Just buy a FREMM at this point

[subtle prawn]

The last time they tried buying FREMMs, they ended up changing so many things, it might as well have been a clean sheet design (and yes, I know it didn't conform to USN standards)

[autumn sorrel]

I mean buying a FREMM directly with only slight change to electronics and radar systems. No “enhanced survivability” bs. They need hull in the water quick, no churning out expensive upgunned gunboat.

[autumn sorrel]

Just kill me

This timeline suck ass

[subtle prawn]

The one thing that could make this any more stupider than it already is would be to have them be nuclear-powered

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, Trump love his oil baby, those shit going to run on the most expenseive oil burner ever

[autumn sorrel]

You know what, why even bother, just take the Coast Guard current Legend fleet and trade them with LCS instead. You basically going to build unmodified Legend anyway.

Or you know, just buy the Spain F100 class. That thing have so many American component, it might as well be a USN ship.

[subtle prawn]

That Spanish frigate was a competitor against the FREMM, but it lost

[mental tapir]

They really looked at F100 which has Aegis, and FREMM which doesn't, and said "We'll take FREMM and add Aegis to it" huh

[autumn sorrel]

I know, which is fucking stupid. They have had problem of getting Aegis on anything less than 7k tons so when F100 launch, they even congratulated Spain on it. FREMM deal is purely bc Fincantieri was willing to finance US shipyard.

[junior trench]

having Aegis =/= being built to USN standards

[twilit geyser]

^ This tbh

IIRC one of the reasons the F100s lost to FREMM is because the USN deemed the damage control standards aboard it were less optimized compared to the FREMMs.

[rapid junco]

RAF veteran Frederick C. Tate receiving the Santos Dumont medal from Brigadier Nero Moura

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah but USN is calling for more hull in the water, I rather they modified it in subsequent flight instead of you know, "mission creep"

[autumn sorrel]

You have to make compromise to have something done. If you are complaining about not having ship build and out on the sea, then it might be best to lower some standards.

But hindsight is 20/20

[autumn sorrel]

You know what, use the San Antonio as base and stick 400 VLS cells on it. Way cheaper and quicker design process and build time

[desert agate]

In what direction is this right?

[desert agate]

I wouldn't trust Navantia to build a lego set, let alone a warship

Utterly incompetent company

[desert agate]

American shipbuilding standards are written in blood
Compromise is not an option when your sailors lives are at risk

[mental tapir]

Well you pick your poison between potentially getting sailors killed with less survivable ships or getting soldiers and civilians killed because the ships weren't where they needed to be

[autumn sorrel]

I would say not having enough ship in the area of operations and with fewer VLS than your enemy is much more of a threat to your sailors well being than worse DC.

[desert agate]

You can in fact have your cake and eat it too

You just need industrial investment

Which the US has been sorely lacking in

[autumn sorrel]

Something that this current and previous admin either ignored or refuse to acknowledge. It is much easier and flashy headline about new class of warship than admit that your shipbuilding industry deteriorated and you refuse to spend money on revamping it.

Honestly, this is less about warship capabilities but how US shipbuilders can actually deliver on time what they promised.

[desert agate]

Oh you can't blame this on the last admin or the current one, the American shipbuilding industry and the mess its in has been decades in the making and really starts with Bush jr and Clinton

[autumn sorrel]

I just tired, Spon. I want cool ships sailing the sea and what I got is up armored LCS and a vanity project.

[mental tapir]

Well best not to look at American ships for like the next two or three decades or something

[desert agate]

Warship capability is irrelevant for a warship that will never be built

Industry, economics and logistics is what is important to a navy, and they have all been neglected

[autumn sorrel]

Now, I wish Japan relax more and let us buy and build Mogami.

[autumn sorrel]

I would say that out of all the flashy headline, there are few bright-spot. At least they still testing TRAM.

[mental tapir]

What's TRAM?

[autumn sorrel]

Method to reload VLS cell while ship are at sea, without having to return to port.

[mental tapir]

Ahh

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ab2VAtmLd0

[twilit geyser]

I saw this like super simplified meme and thought it'd be apt for the discussion at hand

[spring briar]

no i think this is just about how cool the Burkes and OHP's are lol

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9PKMm-g-Ds

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVp6ypq_mfc

[subtle prawn]

From what I remember hearing from the inquiry over the loss of the Helge Ingstad, she could have been saved had her crew been more competent

[fierce oracle]

this reminds me of this shitty a2a kill ratio meme where they count ground losses and SAM losses, which if they did that to the F-15 it would be something like 104-30 with just the C's iirc

the counters are pretty nice since its not gawking over questionable kill stats

for ref: no country fielding mig-21's have had major losses (the most major were vietnamese losses during operation BOLO) which saw around 7 mig-21's destoyed (USAF count, only 5 by VPAF count) so about half or a third of the VPAF's MiG-21's were shot down

and viet nam couldnt lose more than 16

so where the 501 number came from? who knows cause the fishbed did not have that many losses even accounting for the yom kippur war and six day war

[runic ermine]

Canada mentioned!

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nobody-cares-not-a-big-deal-its-fine-no-big-deal-gif-16076896

[mental tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/i-asked-i-care-gif-25860024

[frozen kestrel]

...

i fucking hate this timeline...

[mental tapir]

Upcoming Gear Lab update will introduce the Sukhoi Su-6 as a Carrier-based skip bomber, among other equipment

Which led to me learning that the Soviets did come up with an 18-cylinder radial engine in 1939. It was sadly crappy though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shvetsov_M-71?wprov=sfla1

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-chips-eating-nom-crisps-gif-22496360

[mental tapir]

Imagine if they re-engined the plane with a ASh-73 though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shvetsov_ASh-73?wprov=sfla1

[frozen kestrel]

honestly, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if some bullshit like the Alicorn got announced

[autumn sorrel]

Probably with better power but Sukhoi at this time doesn't have the clout like MiG or Tupolev to get that kind of engine.

[mental tapir]

True

Instead we got the Ilyushin Il-10

And the experimental Tupolev Tu-91

[subtle prawn]

So I missed this important part because I just skimmed through the article and didn't read it properly

[…] The new ships will replace the Navy’s next-generation DDG(X) program, which was projected to be about half the size of this proposed battleship. Construction is slated to begin in the early 2030s with the Navy serving as the lead design agent for the effort, USNI News understands.

[autumn sorrel]

"2030s"

At this point just revised Zumwalt design to be less stupid

[shrewd pecan]

the Defiant is just CG(X) 2.0

the Defiant in itself is just a upsized DDG(X)

[runic ermine]

Battleships are back before gta 6

What would be the worst war to fight in that your country participated in?

Just asking in general because im interested

[spiral cedar]

The worst war to fight in, that your country participated in, as a member of said military? Or just the worst war in general, that your country had any participation in

[runic ermine]

Worst war to fight in that your country participated in

[spiral cedar]

That doesn’t answer my question

[desert agate]

I’ll be sure to remember that

[runic ermine]

Out of the wars your country has fought in, which one was the worst in your opinion

For example, an American might say the American Civil War due to the death toll

Also side note:
https://x.com/i/status/2003074288820031888

Cerfia (@CerfiaFR)

🇫🇷⚓️ DÉBAT | Quel nom le futur porte-avions français annoncé hier par Emmanuel Macron devrait-il porter selon vous ?

X · Dec 22, 2025, 12:05 PM

[twilit geyser]

This would've been a nice counterpoint if hadn't the ship be of the older Sumners and it hadn't collided with a ship seven times its displacement.

They did learn from this later on though. Improved communications in the CICs, and obviously the reinforcements of the hull on later classes.

[desert agate]

The counterpoint is that it's easy to cherry pick examples that reinforce your point while ignoring those that do not

The fundamental issue with the Frank E Evans collision was that there was a serious breakdown in communication caused by a policy failure on the bridge of the destroyer

But of course, that doesn't change that the ship went down and took 74 sailors with her

One could make the argument that Sheffield's loss was far less to do with her construction and far more to do with overall policy failure

Shall we make the argument that the Royal Navy did not learn its lessons from Sheffield? And did not make serious fundamental policy changes, as well as engineering changes to prevent a similar loss?

[twilit geyser]

Care to explain why? The Burkes and OHPs are the epitome of modern USN damage control standards, the switch from steel to alumninium was influenced by the USS Bainbridge's incident, the single screw arrangement on the OHPs was to ease DC in the event over the complexity of dual shafts.

The collision happened in like the '60s too, way before the USN figured out you needed better communications between both ships.

That isn't to say other nations don't have DC standards themselves like the USN, but those standards are what separates the USN from them. They can pump out twice as more ships (not talking about the Royal Navy on this one) whilst the USN is still figuring out optimized cabling arrangements on their ship.

[desert agate]

I wholly agree with you on that point but as we are all aware, these lessons are written in blood, and when we're looking at naval losses many of them are caused just as much by policy failure as the engineering

[desert agate]

After the loss of Voyager, the RAN instituted a wide range of policy changes that would prevent a similar collision, those changes did not impact the USN and a negligent bridge crew on an American ship caused the loss of 74 lives and a warship

But we're not making memes about how much better other navies are at communicating

Perhaps other navies do need to learn lessons that the USN already learned, but one can't argue that the USN itself hasn't been behind the curve

Also I would ask
Would an American ship of similar age, size and capability as Sheffield, when faced with a similar hit, have been likely to survive?

[twilit geyser]

Considering the Stark survived and Sheffield didn't, both being designed relatively around the same time with the OHPs coming later. Yes?

Both had Exocet warheads fail to explode upon impact, having unburnt fuel from the Exocet cause fires within. The difference is that Stark was hit near the bridge and Sheffield through machinery.

[desert agate]

Hitting the bridge inarguably makes damcon easier

[spring briar]

The Exocet that hit Sheffield was a low order detonation btw
Not a dud

[subtle prawn]

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[twilit geyser]

First time hearing about this, what's low order?

[spring briar]

That it exploded but only partially

With the rest of the bursting charge getting dispersed

[twilit geyser]

Ooh

[subtle prawn]

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[autumn sorrel]

Precision gifts delivery

[pulsar bronze]

Not the be that Guy, but can we have this instead of the trump battleship thing? I think I know a guy who should command it

[frozen kestrel]

C R I S P W H I T E S H E E T S

[pulsar bronze]

Weapons that would have taken the lives of ten million!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqjK-MlKD8

[runic ermine]

What convenient timing! Also Merry Christmas

[lilac pollen]

Naval warfare tutorial

[twilit geyser]

Good vid, atp it's just semantics

[mental tapir]

I would also like to refer back to Jaba's essay on what really replaced the battleship/made battleships obselete; it's more than carriers

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5SYIiLld_c

[unkempt wharf]

Hi I’m looking for good reputable history books on Pearl Harbor, as I am visiting it next year. Does anyone have any recommendations?

[spring briar]

@spiral cedar

[spiral cedar]

Attack on Pearl Harbor by Alan D. Zimm

[unkempt wharf]

Thank you so much!

[spring briar]

Jolliness spread once again

[unkempt wharf]

I’ve been wanting to get more pacific war books. Currently have shattered sword on order and I already have Iwo by Richard Wheeler

[cyan oriole]

for Midway, there's also that book called The Battle of Midway I think, I have it and it's pretty good I believe

[unkempt wharf]

I’ll have to check it out

As shattered sword is about midway

[spiral cedar]

If you check the channel’s pins there’s a book recommendation list

[cyan oriole]

yeah shattered sword is a classic, although apparently a few details in it are outdated

[unkempt wharf]

Thanks

[eternal veldt]

Care to elaborate?

[unborn wyvern]

Yo Ho Ho on the sea we go, send this bomb and away they blow, for salvation we fight and the truth we know, i will kill again and again for this virtual hoe

[cyan oriole]

I think the Midway book I have claims to correct a few details from shattered sword

but it's been a while since I read through the whole thing

[eternal veldt]

Got a title? Would like a read myself.

[runic ermine]

Wow this thing is as long as an Iowa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleship

[manic latch]

This thing doesnt even have a finalized design yet

[autumn sorrel]

The fucking abomination already have its own wiki page

[timber linden]

Can wait for the cheap chinese knockoff of these

[twilit geyser]

Doubt the Chinese would want anything from a terrible design.

That ship screams:
HELLO I'M A BIG TARGET
Loudly

[timber linden]

nah, they temu most everything now a days

[sudden sierra]

That ship is a Chinese knock-off itself 😛

[frozen kestrel]

Can't wait for this thing to get canned like the rest of the Zumwalts and Constellations

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question, but I'm doing more Denmark Strait stuff (no surprise there) and I can't find any good resources. I've already got the camo schemes for Bismarck and Hood, but I can't seem to find any good references on how Prinz Eugen and Prince of Wale looked. Currently I've been doing PoW up in the same scheme as Hood (Admiralty Dark Grey Pattern 507B), but I've got a nagging feeling that that's gonna be wrong. Any ideas where I can find good ref material?

[frozen kestrel]

Looks a little bit screwed, but that's just how the shader's behaving at the moment

[spiral cedar]

Silver Tears probably knows the most about warship camo schemes

[cyan oriole]

it's called "The Battle of Midway"

[cyan oriole]

I mean, making this thing cheaper would be a huge improvement

[desert agate]

Why would the Chinese build a ship that ignores modern developments in naval strategy?

[timber linden]

Why not

[desert agate]

Because it doesn’t help them

In much the same way that it doesn’t help us

It’s just that the US happens to be be stupid enough to build it

Or at least hypothesise it

[west radish]

A lot of Radars

[eternal veldt]

Prince of Wales is painted in Home Fleet Grey Shade (i.e. 507A) with MacArthur's Anti-Fouling Grey. Sovereign Hobbies has a comprehensive scheme of how she appeared in December 1941 alongside the RN's "periodic table" of colours, so information should be extracted from their website.

Note that there is no distinction between shade 507A and 507B beyond the "matte" and "gloss" reflectivity; 507A was adopted to reduce the glossiness of the vessel.

Prinz Eugen is painted in the Atlantic scheme per Bismarck, with a darker "Dunkelgrau" shade applied to the hull and a lighter shade applied to the superstructure.

[frozen kestrel]

So... same exact color palette as the one I've already got slotted for Bismarck, basically?

looks more fucked than usual probably. shaders aren't playing nice tonight...

[eternal veldt]

Yes, but as I said, a distinct shade between superstructure and hull.

Asmussen's caption also makes it clear that the paint isn't cured yet, with the baltic scheme bleeding through somewhat in the adverse weather of the Atlantic.

The photos of Prinz Eugen on June 1st also show the ship's paintwork heavily beaten up as a result.

[frozen kestrel]

yeah... that's gonna be a slight pain in my ass, but if I can figure out how to make the knife tool in blender move along a set angle, it wouldn't be too hard

[eternal veldt]

Ctrl R, subdivide the mesh, then move the vertices with the magnet movement on

Or set the camera to follow you

[frozen kestrel]

at least it'll give me a template for when I inevitably go to make the AL Eugen camo scheme

[eternal veldt]

And I forgot to mention, PoW also likely stained her decks black prior to the battle

So, quite literally, just a black eldritch horror

[frozen kestrel]

ah

[eternal veldt]

I don't have confirmation on this one, so take it with a grain of salt

[frozen kestrel]

I am fucking thankful that PoW is a recent addition to War Thunder, because the old deck textures are genuinely awful

looking at you, Prinz Eugen

[eternal veldt]

I'd advise you to double check

WT never does their homework, and PoW is depicted in her Dec 1941 configuration

In May 1941, there is no bofors gun on the quarterdeck yet - more so UP launchers

Her nameplate was also evidently removed in photos taken at Rosyth (where she received her fatal dose of bomb damage)

Similarly, Eugen is depicted in her 1945 configuration - back in 1941, she only had a couple 20mm flakvierlings, the absence of SL8 wackeltopfs on the forward superstructure, and a bit more

[frozen kestrel]

i still have a blender session to fix all their fuckups with bismarck and to convert gneisenau back to her actual configuration...

[eternal veldt]

Im just going to be honest and say WT's naval models are

Balls of shit

[frozen kestrel]

Better than WoWs and I don't have to pay sell my kidneys for them

[eternal veldt]

Their Repulse is fucked, their Vanguard and Richelieu is in a very beat up, tincanned condition (despite physically never being so)

And their "Mogami" is most assuredly not Mogami

[eternal veldt]

Just go on games3dmodel.com, make an account, and get the models from there

[frozen kestrel]

I did, that's where I've been getting these all from. Spent like two hours yesterday downloading all the ones I was gonna need.

[eternal veldt]

And if anything, the grind in WT is far more kidney demanding, but I digress

Just do your own homework if you are using these companies' models

[frozen kestrel]

I would rather replace my blood with high fructose corn syrup than grind to top tier in War Thunder

still, best thing I've ever had happen in War Thunder was when I got an overpressure kill on a destroyer after I got flung into it like a GMod physics prop

[west radish]

Did the Zumwalt class already a failure in the beginning?

[autumn sorrel]

No

The problem is that it was born in a time where the needs was not well define and its technology was too advance and expensive for what it supposed to do

[pulsar bronze]

Is there any preserved flying boats left?

[autumn sorrel]

Depends, there are still a number of Catalina frame still flying.

[desert agate]

Plenty yes

There’s even some in active service

[runic ermine]

Also a shipgirl too

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/americani1-gif-33641246716220644

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWbYELG6d7A

[pulsar bronze]

Huh? Where?

[autumn sorrel]

Again, depends. Are we talking about military here? Or civilian? What model and year of production are we talking about here? Which nation?

[pulsar bronze]

Well i just wanna see any. If theres one near me I might book a roadtrip to the nearest one

Probably Catalina's would be like, the most likely things here

[junior trench]

cough

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2

[autumn sorrel]

Fatty

[pulsar bronze]

Why tf does it look so obese

[junior trench]

why don't you look at other flying boat designs first

you might pick something up

[pulsar bronze]

Well this one is near

I might go there lmao

[pulsar bronze]

I got like a commision to photo unique vehicles for a magazine lol, Im not getting paid anywhere enough to like photo a ton of random flying boats rn

[junior trench]

🙄

[sullen canyon]

They might as well just slap a casino on this for good measure

[autumn sorrel]

[sullen canyon]

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, without going into whole politic stuff here but what is USN even doing?

[sullen canyon]

Being dumb right now

[autumn sorrel]

I am not pearl clutching over the new Frigate will have no VLS bc they might add it in later and they want new hulls to hit water as fast as possible but why "battleship"?

[sullen canyon]

We have ships for that and they are called DDGs

[autumn sorrel]

If this is CGX then I understand but railgun?

[sullen canyon]

Do we even have the tech to even use a functional rail gun anyways?

[autumn sorrel]

Its like the guy on top tell the ship designer to put the biggest thing on the ship and call it a day

[autumn sorrel]

We do but US ver was deemed too costly and Japan ver is still in testing phase

[sullen canyon]

Railgun as in for transportation, or as in for blowing stuff up

[autumn sorrel]

As much as I like Burke, Flight III already stretching the ship limit and USN is bolting even more stuff on its.

[spiral cedar]

That's what the DDG(X) program is for. The problem is that DDG(X) is getting killed to make room for the current 30,000 ton abomination

[sullen canyon]

I want to say give it a year or two and things will correct itself...... Hopefully

[autumn sorrel]

We are literally living in clown timeline

[runic ermine]

Can I say what Im thinking?

Please

[runic ermine]

We now are getting BBG(X)

[spiral cedar]

We are not getting BBG(X)

[runic ermine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleship

[spiral cedar]

We are wasting time until someone with sense can scrap the project years after it should have been

[runic ermine]

We? Im not American

[spiral cedar]

You are now

[runic ermine]

No im not

Im not Venezuelan either

[junior trench]

trying to explain naval policy and construction to randos is a fight I gave up long, long ago

people constantly citing canceled or rejected design proposals from the interwar era was already bad enough

[runic ermine]

You live in a land locked country or something?

[spiral cedar]

I'm glad I am using my time on this discussion

[autumn sorrel]

I sometime feel like USN is chasing the whole "first in everything too much". They used to make incremental design that improve upon previous class. Like how JMSDF evolve from Kongo to Atago and Maya class. The fact that they want DDG(X) to be a bespoke design will just slow everything down.

[autumn sorrel]

It would be too late like how despite Constellation were cancel, you still have to finish those 2 hulls

[runic ermine]

Exactly

Also this thing is gonna be as long as an Iowa

[spiral cedar]

The difference being we aren't exactly flush with shipyards that can build 30000 ton warships so that'll add some time

[runic ermine]

@junior trench wait no you live near the black sea

Hehe black sea

[spiral cedar]

Where did it all go wrong for this channel

[autumn sorrel]

They going to compete to get CVN slip way

[runic ermine]

Look at this server man

And then ask the same question again

[spiral cedar]

It did not use to be like this

People here actively made it worse

[runic ermine]

Exactly so its better now

[spiral cedar]

It's becoming less of a mystery by the minute

[autumn sorrel]

Sensational headline and people careless about historical fact.

[sullen canyon]

Usually we talk about things that aren't considered as current events either here, or did that rule go out the window as of late

[autumn sorrel]

Why care about the feasibility of a Naval program when you can compare ship stats

[runic ermine]

Anyways how would a BBG(X) work in a modern naval combat or bombardment operation?

[spiral cedar]

In the former, like a Burke mostly

[runic ermine]

But bigger

[sullen canyon]

And slower

[spiral cedar]

Since it doesn't have much more capability than one

[runic ermine]

35 knots ain't terrible

[sullen canyon]

How fast does a DDG go?

[runic ermine]

Also why is the first ship called USS Defiant?

[spiral cedar]

Movies

[autumn sorrel]

Ego reason

[runic ermine]

Shouldn't it be named after a state?

[sullen canyon]

Political reasons

[spiral cedar]

Nuclear submarines take state names nowadays

[runic ermine]

No then it would be the USS Donald J Trump

[autumn sorrel]

CVN take Presidents name

[runic ermine]

I would have given it a cool name

[autumn sorrel]

That's why the next drone carrier will be USS Obama

[runic ermine]

USS Venezuela, the 51st state

[chilly flower]

Martin PBM-5A Mariner at the Pima Air and Space Museum in Arizona; Consolidated PB2Y-5R Coronado at the National Naval Aviation Museum (will be abbreviating this as NNAM from here on, there's quite a few there) in Florida; Martin JRM-3 Mars also at Pima (moved there just last year; previously resided at the British Columbia Aviation Museum in Canada alongside another JRM); Kawanishi H8K2 Seiku/"Emily" at the Kanoya Air Base Museum in Japan; as many as four (full airframe) Dornier Do 24s primarily in Germany, the Netherlands, and Spain (alongside several fuselage-only examples in Germany, France, and Australia); A replica of the Dornier Do X under construction in Germany (N/A for public seeing at the moment though, I believe?); at least 3-4 Beriev Be-6s between Ukraine, Russia, and China; several Beriev Be-12 Chayka within those same countries in addition to a few still in Russian military service despite their age; Martin P5M Marlin also at the NNAM; multiple Short Sunderlands in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and the USA; Sikorsky VS-44 at the New England Air Museum in Connecticut; so many Grumman HU-16 Albatross both preserved and in service that I'd just recommend checking their wiki page for a list; same deal with the Consolidated PBY Catalina to an even more extreme degree in regards to those on display, I'll just give you the list link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Consolidated_PBY_Catalinas); numerous Grumman HU-16/JRF Goose both in civil service and on display, primarily in the USA; Two Curtiss Model MFs at the NNAM in the USA and NZ; Curtiss NC-4 at the NNAM; Ecker Flying Boat at the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum in Washington; Curtiss Model E at the EAA Aviation Museum in Wisconsin; Felixstow F5L at the Smithsonian Institution's Paul E. Garber facility (not public); four Supermarine Walrus in the UK and Australia; three Sikursky S-39s in the USA; AVIC AG600 Kunlong under development in China; Shin Meiwa US-FX (originally an HU-16 modified to serve as the prototype for the company's US-1 aircraft, that was succeeded by the aforementioned US-2 still in service); Harbin SH-5 in China (one on display, a few in service);Canadair CL-415 and CL-215 still in civil service worldwide; a few Beriev Be-200 Altair still in civil service in a few (primarily ex-Soviet) countries; Beriev A-40 Albatros in development in Russia; A replica of the Boeing 314 Clipper at the Foynes Flying Boat Museum in Ireland (primarily dedicated to the Clipper); and I'll mention that there's a few Short S-25 Sandringham in the USA, UK, and France to round this off.

There should be more out there that I have not mentioned, but these are most of the notable examples, on display and in service/yet to enter service, for you to pick from for your commission. It does not include the other primary seaplane configuration (floatplanes) that would bloat the list even further. If you want photos of any of these that sound intriguing, just let me know and I may be able to provide. Hope this helps.

[runic ermine]

Good Lord

[pulsar bronze]

Absolutely helps

[runic ermine]

No Emperor Trump will name it after himself

[west radish]

Anyone still remember the fictional Fletcher class destroyer USS keeling from greyhound?

[runic ermine]

Nope

Also there's hundreds of fletchers why didn't they choose a real one?