history

[timber linden]

For the maus we have wielded 7 panzer 1 transmissions and have 2387 hamster running on wheels (could not get mice to run but name was already settled)

[manic latch]

Maus's engine is literally one of highest hp tank engine of ww2

V2 model had 1200hp engine

That's literally Challenger 2 level of today

[runic prairie]

He already said "giant tanks with underpowered engines", you don't need to repeat him.

[manic latch]

Oh yeah it's Chal 2

[narrow rover]

The "underpowered" aspect is more like

Higher ups that didn't know how to design tanks kept adding insane requirements

The ones that didn't suffer that fate weren't all THAT unreliable...

[light dagger]

Romusha

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/DHownUO8QiE?si=_HKGIBhX0FaE2tMC

[narrow rover]

"Under new management"

[light dagger]

Huh

[narrow rover]

It's a joke from that one Incredibles movie

[oak forge]

https://x.com/TeamCaris/status/1880480642678534597

カリス（はガチャ爆し^^;） (@TeamCaris) on X

護衛艦かがさんを見学した時に見慣れないワッペンを発見しました。
どうやら、先のアメリカでの試験において米軍さんが作成したとのことでした(笑)。
こういう米軍さんのノリ、スッゴク好きなのです(^^)。
#呉
#海上自衛隊
#アズールレーン

X · Jan 18, 2025, 5:01 AM

Yo Epic ComeBack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/742298286831960065.gif?size=48

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/Ef_79INE2m8?si=wae-ctOpWLIIQ5g9

[narrow rover]

Not sure if Japan has a ship motto but this one should be "from beyond the grave"

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lgb5ejc4qk2o

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1954, USS Nautilus (SSN-571) was christened and launched at Groton, CT. Fueled by a golf ball-sized lump of uranium, the world's first nuclear-powered submarine could stay submerged longer while traveling farther, faster and deeper than any sub before her.

Bluesky · Jan 21, 2025, 3:14 PM

[cyan oriole]

if it's a german tank, 90% chance the leading cause of loss is mechanical failure

https://panzerworld.com/tiger-losses
ok I found a source, the #1 cause of loss is, wait for it, combat losses caused by "combat"

didn't find any other sources, besides a KBismarck thread where some Wehraboo tool is spouting "muh 5:1!!!!" with 0 evidence
https://kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2870#google_vignette

nah bro, drach knows what he's talking about! he cites every source! (source: someone on discord somewhere, I forgot)

oh this rieminds me, how many sk c/34 variants were there again? and which ones were which?

I'm wondering if there were calibers between 203 and the BB calibers

[narrow rover]

I'm a bit tired with the German jerk and counterjerk and it makes me wanna delete Prussia out of existence

[strong mountain]

Which one.
That just means "quick fire canon construction year 34"
The 38? The 20.3? Or the 12.7?
For your second question. Deutschland.

[alpine onyx]

I think it got up to g, so seven

[alpine onyx]

That's the point. They only labeled them as C/34a to C/34g (or was it h?)

Guess the caliber

[strong mountain]

the Calibre in cm is part of the designation.

[strong mountain]

No idea where you got the a-g from

[alpine onyx]

I get the a-g from the blueprints.

There is no caliber designation here. It's C/34[letter]

[strong mountain]

Cause thats the mount not the gun Drh. L = Dreh Laffette (turnable Mounting)

Show the Rest.

[alpine onyx]

I literally replied to the post showing the entire blueprint..

[strong mountain]

Well to me that looks like f.4. für 4 (for 4) Einzelwiegen (Single (Gun)Cradles)

[wooden sentinel]

kongo class battlecruiser bow

[eternal veldt]

AI colorisation

[alpine onyx]

And for the two gun turret in the print above (Drh L C/36g) that the g stands for... goppelt? gweifach? gwilling?

[strong mountain]

Well i dont know.
"Gesamt" maybe.
Its not a version lettering imo.
Otherwise find me the other 5.
Ill wait.

[alpine onyx]

RM 24 589 is C/34f, dimension wise most likely the 40.6cm turret

375 has C/34h4

351 has C/34d

353 has C/34e

And for the rest you are more than welcome to explore the unchartered regions of the digitized German archive, you will find C/34a and find it to look remarkably close to Hipper's turrets, and if you find C/34b and c feel free to ping me because I couldn't be arsed yet to load up those few hundred archive entries

https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/invenio/direktlink/0ee3d5de-281f-477c-81a0-02ed8a9e5345/

Actually did have RM 24 / 662 saved already, which is the turret armor for C/34a

so... guess that's five?

[strong mountain]

Well thats genuinlly interesting.
Guess i learnt something new today. Thanks.

C34a is definitlly hipper turret.
Tho they show diffrent things
34a shows armor, f Shows changing the barrel with a crane on what looks to be a battelship.
Could be that there in a-f for the diffrent mountings
20.3, 38, 40(.6) etc

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhtGIkUKLCo

[cyan oriole]

lmao, the disciple argued with the grandmaster
there's always someone on the internet who knows more, it's the law

[cyan oriole]

ty sirene

[strong mountain]

yep as expected.

[junior trench]

Drach released a torpedo ranking video

air dropped torpedo category excludes drop envelope from the ranking consideration

he also categorized based upon size rather than role

[alpine onyx]

The different letters most likely differenciate between the calibers of the guns. Or they would relate to the different ship project versions, but that would sorta end up being the same.

[strong mountain]

uh no

[junior trench]

there was also many glaring ommissions from the rankings

[strong mountain]

the letters have nothing to do with caliber

[alpine onyx]

If you are going off of that then google failed you

That comma is crucial

[strong mountain]

thats a 1

[cyan oriole]

drach spotted, grain of salt activated

[strong mountain]

its speciffically about how these two fit together

[junior trench]

I don't know if this video is worse than his naval gun ranking video where he excluded the gun mounts from being part of consideration

[cyan oriole]

wouldn't they be differentiating between different variants of the same design series?

so basically the same thing in practice

[cyan oriole]

I sure hope he took loading arrangements into account...

[strong mountain]

afaik its just numbering the diffrent parts
so you have
Mount C/34 for ex. the 38cm
then you have
A: Armor
D-E: Ammo Elevator
F-H Elevation
Etc

[junior trench]

range, speed, warhead TNTe

[cyan oriole]

this is obviously untrue

[junior trench]

and range only when convenient

[alpine onyx]

Oh hell no

Like

Absolutely not

[junior trench]

the Mark 13's 5km range was dismissed

[alpine onyx]

I can give you elevation mechanism gear plans for the C/34a

[cyan oriole]

at least he used warhead TNT, some people use total charge and forget different explosives are le different

[alpine onyx]

I did not send every blueprint I found, because we are talking literal dozens to the hundreds

[cyan oriole]

ok but tbf, extra range on a torpedo is not that useful

good luck hitting a 34 kt air torpedo on a maneuvering cruiser from 5km!!

[strong mountain]

i have it open i look myself

[junior trench]

port strikes

anyway

[cyan oriole]

ah yes, surely there are no obstacles in the harbor, and the enemy lines up a nice bowling alley for you to click on them

[junior trench]

Type 96, Type 95 and Type 95 Mod 1 are the top torpedoes of the 21" category. Mark 16 and 17 are ignored. Late model Mark 15s and 14s are ignored, with only the Mod 3 versions being on the list.

[cyan oriole]

just like the simularions kekw

[cyan oriole]

wait he ranked air, submarine, and surface torpedoes together?????

[junior trench]

yes

he grouped them based on size

not role

except for air dropped

also his justification for not including drop envelope as a point of consideration

delivery systems aren't relevant to the weapon itself and I'm not qualified to evaluate aircraft

[cyan oriole]

at least they should be by weight, otherwise the long 457mm air torpedoes and the short 570mm mark 13 will be in diff categories for 0 reason

[junior trench]

all air dropped are grouped together

then all submarine, surface, and PT boat torps are grouped based on their diameter

[cyan oriole]

man, Drach really needs to be doing more quality control
for someone of his influence, he needs to be responsible

and not responsible for misinformation

[junior trench]

this is the third(?) ranking video where he's pulled this sort of shit

[alpine onyx]

After the AA video it should've been obvious that he ranks it based on feelings

[junior trench]

like his AA gun and naval gun ranking didn't include the mounts the guns are attached to the ship by

[cyan oriole]

delivery systems aren't relevant to the weapon when their CV gets torped by a submarine from 5km (that's cheating)

[junior trench]

also he included and excluded things seemingly at a whim

[cyan oriole]

uh oh, that sounds like a disaster

[junior trench]

the WW1 era USN Mark 9, updated for submarine use by old model subs during WW2 was included

[cyan oriole]

AA guns probably should be ranked on fire control anyways

[junior trench]

the WW1 RN Mark II was not

[cyan oriole]

iron sights? F tier automatic

[junior trench]

and it was similarly used by old subs

during WW2

[cyan oriole]

yeah for AA guns that's a grave error

[junior trench]

late model/variant Japanese torpedoes which didn't get pushed out to the fleet were included

[cyan oriole]

anything that needs to fire at aircraft needs to meet the baseline train speed

[junior trench]

late model/variant USN torpedoes which varyingly did and didn't did not

[alpine onyx]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5538f957b1151138f79488/t/5fecd937143c0d28f2a6a2d5/1609357623773/AA+Guns.pdf

[cyan oriole]

who made this?

[alpine onyx]

This was his "precise figures used as a basis for the ‘scores’"

From his blog

Drachinifel's

[cyan oriole]

"range"
looks inside
height ceiling pulled off of navweaps
happens

[alpine onyx]

It's worse

He gave the German 37mm M42 60rpm

[cyan oriole]

huh????

why???

[alpine onyx]

It was a clip fed autocannon cycling at 250rpm

[cyan oriole]

yeah, literal wikipedia should make you question "60 rpm""

let alone if you used any real sources

sometimes it feels like this guy is trolling

[alpine onyx]

and going off of the weapon's manual, the practical RoF be 140 to 160

[junior trench]

look at this section of the DP/heavy AA guns in particular

notice anything odd about the wording compared to the actual numbers

[cyan oriole]

no, what are there unit conversion errors?

[alpine onyx]

I see an awful lack of RPC

[cyan oriole]

wait since when is the 76mm/50 an anti-surface weapon?

[alpine onyx]

but British guns kinda dropped behind there, shame over you if you suspect anything off of that

[cyan oriole]

nuh uh, we said mountings don't count for AA effectiveness!!

[alpine onyx]

"not an awful gun" "AA gun is good in anti surface"

[cyan oriole]

yeah that's bait

[alpine onyx]

that's some weird praise

[cyan oriole]

weird way to say "this anti-surface gun is not that good at AA"

[junior trench]

oh right

he also omitted the 4.7"/45 from that list despite it doctrinally being an AA gun according to the RN

yes

that 4.7"

the one primarily arming RN DDs with 45 degree maximum elevation

because RN doctrine thought DDs wouldn't be worth dive bombing

[cyan oriole]

he left in the Lightning gun but not the other one?

strange

[chilly flower]

I mean, there's usually not too much in the way of a moored ship and straight open sea (especially not random rocks in the middle of a harbor), varies of course depending on the harbor but range is genuinely very valuable for aircraft survivability in either case

they're also pretty good for another scenario

[alpine onyx]

You mean the one mounted on destroyers that would have a torpedo bank removed to install a single 4in AA gun?

[junior trench]

yes

where a single additional AA gun was considered game changing by the RN

a single additional AA gun aimed by eyeball

[alpine onyx]

So to give them technically a mixed DP battery, which he would then oddly enough critizise for the Germans claiming them to use 88mm and 105mm guns on the same ships at the same time?

[cyan oriole]

wait, huh?? why is the Mark XII called a "120mm/50"

[cyan oriole]

Mark XI was the 120/50

but that's just a typo, so I guess it gets a pass

cuz his actual data is correct asaide from that

[junior trench]

oh, right

[cyan oriole]

still, the entire ranking system is bogus

not sure what I expected from drach though

[junior trench]

he does include rate of train but not other features of the mounting

[alpine onyx]

Only when it's convenient

[cyan oriole]

I mean, Drach just goes based on feelings a lot of the time, same with a lot of other content creators

[junior trench]

he also makes remarks regardless of what contemporary sourcing says on the matter

[cyan oriole]

like for wows tierlists, it's usually based off of feelings, and drach is no different for naval history

[junior trench]

like he says the 5"/25 is only good for AA despite battle practice of the era showing the 5"/25 could achieve very respectable anti-surface performance

[alpine onyx]

Both long 88mm guns and the long 105mm gun were in the exact same design of a mount. Only minor scaling differences, and small adjustments. Only one of them he mentions the mounts for, and then with claims that sources won't back

[cyan oriole]

I doubt he is looking at contemporary sourcing kekw

also why are AA guns being ranked off of anti-surface capability

that should be its own "dual-purpose gun tierlist", not an AA gun list

[alpine onyx]

If you wanna judge DP abilities, sure, can do that. But then do it consistently

Not when it's convenient to do so

[junior trench]

he also includes ASW shells on some of the Japanese AA guns as a "pro"

[chilly flower]

lol

[cyan oriole]

lmao even

does the list have any other straight-up errors? I could imagine some of the Italian data being wrong

[chilly flower]

how easy would it be to convince drach that the funny Japanese colored flak is a pro

[cyan oriole]

since most sources on the internet are wrong about them

[junior trench]

anyway I think there's something funny I recall being buried in this channel

one moment

[alpine onyx]

It's inconsistent in the RoF figures

[junior trench]

starting from here and onward for a bit

[alpine onyx]

Italian 90mm gets a dogshit RoF

[junior trench]

RN gets radar for their AA guns
uses it for massed single chance salvoes at short range

[alpine onyx]

Japan gets it's magic ready-rack only RoF for the 100mm

[cyan oriole]

at least he didn't list 20 rpm

[alpine onyx]

Also just seeing the Italian 100mm getting all angle loading as a pro

Damn, that's one tough bar to beat

[cyan oriole]

he has to list something positive, therwise they'll think he's biased

kappa

[junior trench]

@alpine onyx something you might enjoy is that I ran across someone citing a 17 rds/min burst rate for the 5.25" based off an old British Pathe clip

which was filmed at 18 fps and mistakenly converted to 24 fps during digitization

[alpine onyx]

Ayyo

kek

[cyan oriole]

how BUSTED was the 133/50

best AA gun of the war ez

[junior trench]

he cited the magic long range totally catching the IJN off guard this one time

because otherwise they could totally just sit and circle outside the range of the weak flimsy 5"/38

[cyan oriole]

true, because long range 460mm shells easily destroyed USN aircraft by droves in the last battle of the Yamato

same with Tirpitz guns agaisnt the RAF

they were so distracted by the pretty lights that they lost control and crashed into the sea

💀

what a gem, I don't think we can beat this

superior britishium guns most easy to install

pack up usa, it's over gg

[alpine onyx]

If it was at least present in somewhat high numbers on ships

But usually British cruisers had the same amount of heavy AA guns as those of other nations, except way smaller ones

For the Italians you can say that with the 100mm gun, the Zaras starting with sixteen of them is an actual volume

[cyan oriole]

well, if we go by heavy AA gun count, USA wins always, and then Hipper

[alpine onyx]

But a Southampton only had eight guns, and so did a Brooklyn

[cyan oriole]

idk man, Southampton 102mm was easier to install

so a southampton is better

when the ship is sunk by machinery fire, iot's easier to take the AA gun off the deck to install it on the next ship
checkmate USAsians

[alpine onyx]

And the capital ships were also not that great, Hood with seven 4in twins, the superdreadnoughts with four twins, there's just no volume to justify his point

[cyan oriole]

tbf, those are WW1 shitters, only the USA was able to properly arm theirs

and you can argue that these limited counts are more production bottlenecks

but I think ease of installation is whatever for a heavy AA gun, those are limited more by space and director constraints than production or installation

ease of installation for a light AA gun? yes that's reasonable, if taken into account for all guns

[junior trench]

I was going to say the 5"/25s used on the Brooklyns could just as easily be removed, then I remembered RPC refits out the wazoo

[cyan oriole]

nuh uh, RPF isn't real, mountings don't count!!

also, where French 100mm/45 :madge:

and also superior Soviet AA, trust

ok I'm going to watch that torpedo video, should be fun to have a laugh or two

maybe learn something new! (copium)

[strong mountain]

Well you were right. but please. tell me which ship this is

[alpine onyx]

Could be Bismarck in one of it's version

At least the mag subdivision is fairly close to her

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669133963864047626/1321895399031705710/image.png?ex=67927f06&is=67912d86&hm=b0bddba1f09c284b7dc3824e57fa00eb948647c3c842c9db64a136c9686cba7a&

[cyan oriole]

don't like his relative ranking system

you can be 10% worse, but if that makes you go from 1st to last, you go from 10/10 to 0/10

also, imperial system, madge

soviet torpedoes having charge type be TNT instead of their proprietary "TGA" explosive shows a lack of research

and it hurts them in the rankings, considering their formula was 1.45-1.5 times TNT

[strong mountain]

Well i think this solves one of them
Could be but i need more evidence. F could be Scharnhorst but i need more evidence or its for both of them.

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1882259268407263352

Ian heavy breathing noises...

[narrow rover]

Something I found... 1947(?) electric car from Japan, apparently oil imports wasn't fully allowed during the occupation so someone had the idea of EVs

[junior trench]

EVs are only a bit more than 2 decades older than the first ICE vehicle

[narrow rover]

Honestly wasn't viable until fairly recently due to battery life

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/CcibChris/status/1881842281956917639

Chris Bolton (@CcibChris) on X

Aerial view of the Air Force Museum in 1973.

(U.S. Air Force photo)

X · Jan 21, 2025, 11:12 PM

[woeful hull]

Blueprint for the Nelson class Battleships

[spring briar]

Always found their belt coverage a bit scary

[narrow rover]

God's scariest underwater shells:

Had to be WNT compliant I guess...

I'm more concerned with those unprotected openings in the machinery spaces

Getting slam dunked by cruiser caliber shells because you're unlucky be like

[maiden citrus]

iirc from something years ago, the nelson armored raft is too small to float the ship

[cyan oriole]

yeah, that was the tradeoff of the internal armor

ironically, the British themselves considered it a failure

but France, USA, Italy, NL, etc all decided it was usable

tbf, USA does have their gigaside plating with STS, France has their magic supersubstance, and Italy just armors the outer side

[maiden citrus]

the Iowas are close to that issue of armored raft functionality if I also recall, but can still float

[cyan oriole]

yeah, but at least they don't flood from DD shots

[maiden citrus]

also calling the french one magic supersubstance is funny and would make @tough quail smile

[tough quail]

oh i didnt know roon moved over here

but yes

i did smile

had a little chortle

[maiden citrus]

the haha funny soft supermaterial

[tough quail]

when you try to torpedo

but mm soft

squimsh

[narrow rover]

Honestly I'm sure more than a few WW2 battleships had that issue

[maiden citrus]

the french way, absorb the blow with love

[narrow rover]

Yammy also

[maiden citrus]

it was pretty rare for aon designs to have this issue

[tough quail]

iirc kgv/vanguard/bisko/littorio hit the mark

[maiden citrus]

the iowas get a little close because they have some turbo projectile shaping going on

[tough quail]

and at least north carolina

then iowa/richy/yams fell afoul of it

[maiden citrus]

I thought yamato could float with just armored raft

how did they mess that up at that size and width

richy I could pardon because it's hyper specialized in many ways

including god's most hard working mini ITX boilers

[tough quail]

yamato im actually not sure

i think she's straddling the line because of weight savings

how the citadel kinda tapers off a bit

[maiden citrus]

[tough quail]

this is all going off of memory tho so i could be rambling out my ass

[maiden citrus]

yeah yamato is just so wide it's weird to imagine

[tough quail]

just eyeballing it i would think so

there's some funny tapering going on but the protected space is still enormous

[cyan oriole]

few did, generally this issue was with WW1 battleships who had poor subdivision

[cyan oriole]

Yamato will float with only her citadel unriddled

"The Yamato-class battleships were designed to meet the highest survivability requirements. For example, if all unarmored compartments were flooded, the buoyancy of the undamaged armored citadel would ensure that the ship would remain afloat and maintain stability with a roll angle of 22°. If all empty compartments on one side were flooded, the roll angle would not exceed 18°."

Yamato was one of the ships that actually managed to live up to its design standards relatively well

although yamato schnose being totally soft is definitely unfort

brits are germans were right about their "armored deck contains flooding" principle

[narrow rover]

Kinda do wonder what kinda batshit designs we would have seen if WW2 just didn't happen

And battleship building continued
Might have been as easy as just preventing the godforsaken great depression

[mental tapir]

What's the historical bomb load for the Fw 190 G-3?

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/jXia3VfWPYo?si=XWM9WRurX2KASq33

[mental tapir]

It'll probably be 2×500lb bombs in game, but it'd still be cool to know

Kinda lame how the Corsair, Sea Fang and Sea Fury also only had that loadout even though they could carry more IRL, but I suppose balans™️ is more important

[cyan oriole]

we could have gotten some real gamer designs in 1920 too

[narrow rover]

Holy jeebus SIXTEEN cannons

Would have run out of ammo real quick on that ship though

[junior trench]

centerline rack only has shackles for 1 bomb at a time

wing racks can do 1 each up to 250 kg, or fuel tanks

though I am a bit curious what a lot of sources mean when they claim the G-3 can carry two ETC50 racks per wing, because that would mean having space for 8 50kg bombs on each wing

and, notably, ETC50 racks aren't like the zero length rails or stub shackles you'd find on a USN aircraft

hm, looks like they meant singles but didn't specify

anyway the AM-1 Mauler provides a pretty good example of the difference in bomb shackle setup

(the big ones are for torpedoes, you probably won't even see the bomb shackles at first)

[chilly flower]

It's a G-3/R1
so the wing pylons/station arrangements are just being used for two pairs of 20mm gunpods as a weird way to cram in a 6 x 20mm fighter

[grave ravine]

imagine if instead of carrying 8 hvars and 1 1000lb bomb, Skyraider carried 12 hvars and 3 1600lb bombs

[mental tapir]

What could have been

[grave ravine]

so much bomb

[light dagger]

The person who save 669 live

[narrow rover]

https://chinesemartialstudies.com/2019/03/25/research-note-kung-fu-diplomacy-during-the-cultural-revolution/

[runic prairie]

The inherent problem with ranking weapons systems is they are just that, systems. Platform, FCS, handling, etc, are all are intrinsic qualities that effect how effective they are. A serious look would start with fire control systems

then move on to the weapons including comparing deck space and weight distribution since these factors effect how they can be mounted and how many can be mounted.

Ergonomics too and protection. An unshielded mount is vulnerable to straffing and thus suppression. Powered mounts obviously have massive advantages over manually cranked ones.

[junior trench]

necro pinged for a preaching to the choir moment

[cyan oriole]

aren't there like a bazillion better 6x20mm fighters?

you can find those in USA and UK variants very ez

[cyan oriole]

to hell with that, bring in the 14" Richard rocket

Skyraider carrying 6 x biggus dickus

[cyan oriole]

not to mention open mountings are more vulnerable to weather and blast

and also you need to take into account maintainability and reliability (Wehraboos HATE this one simple metric!!!)

but of course, it's Drach, he makes casual content for casual enjoyers

although somehow his videos are still 40 minutes even though he says he doesn't want to overcomplicate them

[chilly flower]

No? (in regards to number)
Most go up to 4 x 20mm max, there's very few carrier based fighter prototypes that even consider 6 (e.g. the XF8B)

mostly because you really don't need more than 4 realistically unless you've got a tailored bomber interceptor

(and in this case they are being really specific with the G-3/R1 specifically because funny in game statcard number that would otherwise be nonsensical)

and they just go and do that shit instead of throwing the XF8B in because

IB

[cyan oriole]

true, I checked and only A7M3 (and F8B) had that much

and then of course glorious land interceptor, BZ.303 has 8x20mm

[chilly flower]

the A7M3 was to be a ground based interceptor though

[cyan oriole]

what B-29 does to a mf

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lgjtkd7x7c2u

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1972, Japanese holdout Shoichi Yokoi was discovered near a cave on Guam where he had been hiding since 1944 when the island was recaptured by U.S. forces. A replica of the cave in which he lived for more than 27 years is a tourist attraction near Talofofo Falls.

Bluesky · Jan 25, 2025, 2:12 AM

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0THpux__SXA&pp=ygUTYmF0dGxlIG9mIHRoZSBidWxnZQ%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V749-V5yXlE&pp=ygUUYnJlYWtvdXQgb2Ygbm9ybWFuZHk%3D

[narrow rover]

Aside from this guy and the famed Onoda Hiroo there was some insane person who decided to hold out on Iwo Jima until the 1949 or something

Whatever indoctrination the Japanese were doing...

[austere crest]

A captured v1

[random hound]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-enterprise-uss-enterprise-scoreboard-japan-gif-13721683723012298014

[timber linden]

Scrapped

[supple sandal]

I hearing that voice from Family guy

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBh7ns3ybPA

[cyan oriole]

ayy I saw that short too

[supple sandal]

I hate how annoying people in comment section keep typing
"Oh 10:1 kdr"

[timber linden]

Really fucked up what happened to the pow that didn't make it home

[supple sandal]

No one deserved that

[narrow rover]

So who is to blame for the Vietnam disaster

France, Japan, or the USA

France for colonizing it first, Japan for invading it in WW2 and creating a massive power vacuum there, or the US

[twilit geyser]

They're all responsible.

[supple sandal]

After 1945 French

So their logic is "we need colonies to stay on the cool kids group"
They throw money into it, The US throw money into it

Which they all lost more money in 1954

And the power vacuum in 1945 is not exactly peaceful either

The war is stupid and should never happened in the first place

[rapid cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_SaaClxPOM

anyone else haven't heard of this before?

this is just depressing

[subtle prawn]

<@&472236072743600148> We have a scammer here

Thanks to whoever did that

[runic ermine]

I think some people don't know how big of a ratio that is

For comparison, the usual attacker to defender ratio is 3:1 in order for the attacking force to be successful

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LKG2ygzhs
Favorite plane of the Vietnam War

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AppCMhUsa6o&pp=ygUXYiAxNyBib21iZXIgZG9jdW1lbnRhcnk%3D

[wintry moat]

suprised he used a transformer as the thumbnail

i love that scene

The F4 is my favorite jet

[flint mesa]

Phantom II, great bomber poor fighter (mainly because of sh*tty missiles)

[grave ravine]

While the reliability of early missiles in general certainly left a lot to be desired, Phantom was still a revolutionary fighter for air to air combat simply for being the first fighter to really make practical use of BVRAAMs

The (relatively) poor performance during the early years of the Vietnam War were due to a combination of many factors, not only did early AAMs have some reliability problems, but there were issues with crew training, the ROE were very restrictive, many Phantoms were caught while engaged in bombing, and North Vietnamese fighters fighting in Vietnam initially had access to far more effective fighter vectoring and command and control

Nevertheless, when engaging in dogfights on equal footing the Phantom still proved a formidable aircraft, and as American command and control facilities improved towards the end of the war (allowing greater usage of the BVR capabilities, and vastly diminishing the chance of North Vietnamese fighter ambushes) and the reliability of missiles improved, Phantoms on CAP achieved similar success rates to Sabres in Korea

Ultimately when the kinks were worked out of it, the Phantom-Sparrow system was not only effective, it revolutionized air combat

[mental tapir]

And if you look at Israeli Phantoms at the same time period instead, you'd find them smacking Arabian MiGs left, right and center

One of the more famous (albeit disputed) examples:
https://youtu.be/8csYNXtJgbc

https://youtu.be/ZfSpDRXsiCU

[flint mesa]

One of the best gen 3 fighter I guest, but it really shock me when I check out the warload

[grave ravine]

Events like this and some others (particularly famously in the Winter War and Continuation War) kinda demonstrate how at a certain point in air combat it could actually be detrimental to have too large of a force overmatch without effective command and control, since it was would be basically impossible for the Migs to actually find the Phantoms in all the chaos

[flint mesa]

more than 18,000 pounds (8,400 kg) of weapons on nine external hardpoints, thats A LOT

literally four times payload of the BTD destroyer, two times of skyraider

[grave ravine]

Anyways when discussing the Air War in Vietnam one of the key things to understand about it is that the VPAF never actually seriously challenged the USAF's and USN's ability to operate freely over North Vietnam, so the US for much of the war kinda put the minimum effort in suppressing the VPAF necessary to keep the loss rates down rather than actually setting out to sweep them entirely from the sky, in favor of just flying more ground strike sorties. The USAF was for the first few years largely willing to accept what casualties were occurring in favor of simply flying more strike sorties, and when they weren't you had events like Operation Bolo

[mental tapir]

That's the power of two GE J79s for you

[flint mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[mental tapir]

From Jaba in another server:

No factor during the A2A engagements in Vietnam mattered more than advance warning. 81% of US aircraft lost in A2A combat were lost while unawares or without any reaction time—the other factors of training, missile technology, and shudders guns were a drop in the bucket compared to simply knowing the enemy existed before the shooting began. On the rare occasions when the playing field was "level"—when the VPAF actually tried to stop a US strike package, rather than opportunistically picking off a single plane from a strike package—the results were lopsidedly in the USAF and USN favor.

What gave the USN the edge over the USAF for much of the war was not better training, or Top Gun, or anything similar—though undoubtedly training did need improvement—it was the presence of seaborne USN radars that gave early warning of incoming MiGs, a tool the USAF didn't have until Teaball went online in mid-1972 (whereupon the kill ratio quadrupled in the USAF's favor—and even then, a majority of the 6 losses were during periods when Teaball was offline).

The VPAF flight controllers had the luxury of only vectoring in fighters when a kill seemed very likely to result from the ambush, but this came at the cost of any hope of contesting any individual strike package, lest the disastrous head-on battles repeat themselves. Of 47 engagements during the 1969 Rolling Thunder campaign where a US aircraft was lost in A2A combat, in 89% the MiG started from a position of advantage due to the "home turf" advantage the MiGs enjoyed from the North Vietnamese radar network. Just two US aircraft were lost when starting an engagement from a neutral position. When it was a "fair" fight, the US pilot was likely to win—so the VPAF controllers made sure to pick as few fair fights as possible, even if it meant picking fewer fights in general.

[cyan oriole]

what jet engine thrust does to a mf

[grave ravine]

Jaba is probably citing this article https://www.historynet.com/great-kill-ratio-debate/ and Sayers' other work, one addenda I'd add on is that it turns out one of the key sources for Teaball, in addition to the EC-121s and ground based radars we already knew about, was actually real time decryption of VPAF fighter control communications by the NSA

That being said I wouldn't read into it quite as far in terms of SA being the overwhelming factor, certainly the vast majority of US losses were due to the poor SA picture, but there were missed opportunities for A2A kills caused by poor missile reliability, ROE, and the pilots not fully understanding the capabilities of their weapons systems

Nevertheless, Teaball, and a few other contemporary programs like Combat Tree (a top secret device flown on some Phantoms that allowed them to interrogate VPAF flgiht transponders), gave the air war in 1972 a dramatically different flavor from Rolling Thunder

[supple sandal]

In a headon fight the Phantom can detect the Mig before the Mig can so it instantly stopped being a fair fight

But I seen a bunch of cases where the pilot had a perfectly good shot only for the missile to fail

[timber linden]

Aerodynamics can be overcome with enough thrust
-the phantoms motto

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lgvphx76hc24

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1944, USS Missouri (BB-63) was launched. The "Mighty Mo" would become the last battleship commissioned by the U.S. Navy and later serve as the platform upon which Japan surrendered. She was decommissioned in 1955, recommissioned in 1986 and decommissioned again in 1992.

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Bluesky · Jan 29, 2025, 7:31 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxguMx5Ph5w

[narrow rover]

Honestly the F4 is one of the less egregious examples of this
The Nighthawk straight up can't fly straight without a computer stabilization system

[desert agate]

Doctrinally the mig isn’t meant to spot the Phantom first
That’s the job of GCI, which the VPAF used masterfully throughout the war

It’s not really possible to discuss the air war in Vietnam without discussing Vietnamese GCI and yet it is ignored constantly

The mig-21 doesn’t need to have a better radar when GCI spotted the strike package before it even entered VPAF airspace and is vectoring the intercept to have an advantageous position

This is why the VPAF consistently managed to get the drop on US pilots, it wasn’t because of a lack of situational awareness (although that was sometimes lacking in USAF planes, the USN was better off) it was because the VPAF was being directed to intercept at vectors where detection was difficult to impossible

[desert agate]

This of course ignores that most of the VPAF was flying the mig-17 which, while it could hold its own in a short dogfight with the Phantom, it was entirely reliant on GCI because it was woefully incapable of a sustained engagement with the Phantom

The mig-17 holds its own in the horizontal but the moment the fight goes vertical it loses every advantage it has, the Phantom just needs to punch the afterburners and come back around

[grave ravine]

I mean yesn't, VPAF GCI during the last year of Rolling Thunder and during Linebacker was certainly excellent, but when American fighters had a similar degree of information, the Phantom's ability to make those long ranged missile shots meant MIGCAP fighters were able to basically neuter the VPAF, during the last 6 months of the war while Teaball was online the USAF only lost 3 aircraft to Migs

[grave ravine]

This may have been true at the start of the war, but even the Mig-19s were starting to be phased out during Linebacker

And since the Mig-17 was subsonic, unlike the Mig-19 and Mig-21, even in the bad old days towards the end of Rolling Thunder, they were still getting killed by Phantoms at a quite favorable rate since it was difficult for VPAF GCI to actually set up intercepts against the supersonic phantoms

[narrow rover]

Probably a nice idea until you realize sitting for two days on a seat is pain

[supple sandal]

They will figure out that you can add bed like cruise ship

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lgxzmqr6jk24

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

Happy 95th Birthday to Gene Hackman! Hackman served with the Marines in Tsingtao in 1948 to protect U.S. interests from communist forces. Decades later, fellow leathernecks could get his attention by mentioning Ping Kong Tung Lee's, a favorite bar of Marines on liberty.

Bluesky · Jan 30, 2025, 5:38 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdeK7xw5wM

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/xq4BucrKAQo?si=THnD_rL5_zURxgar

[burnt scarab]

Thank you Sipher

[remote monolith]

lategame boss rush most likely

[narrow rover]

Carrier spam

[strong mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-flying-circus-spam-gif-15349845

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92eifEm0m7w

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0V23IRAv4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Op2NhIlkA&pp=ygUOc2ltcGxlIGhpc3Rvcnk%3D
My favorite Leopard tank

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMuc4DB9sf4&pp=ygUgZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGVsIGFsYW1laW4%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RmGVkaYXZIk

[cyan oriole]

wonder how usable the Graf Zeppelin, Aquila, and Joffre would have been if they had been built

Joffre definitely had issues with the double-ended flight deck + not enough aviation fuel

and Graf Zeppelin with over-reliance on catapults, apparently (also the fact its planes didn't have folding wings)

of course, all CV discussion hinges on the planes though, and all of the planned planes are inferior to like F6Fs

[manic latch]

What's wrong with double end

[eternal veldt]

The Ju-87s would be foldable, just not the Bf-109Ts.

As for the catapult thing, it should be possible for 109s to take off, just makes deck parking rather difficult.

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YAaJBHD0o

[cyan oriole]

source: warship international through phoenix jz

no place for crash barriers is the main thing that stands out when first looking at the ship

especially when we're talking about the gigabombers

although Laté 299 or American planes would be possible in theory
http://fandavion.free.fr/LatecoereLate299.htm

[light dagger]

I am a pole

[manic latch]

One of most stupid DD ever

the destroyer attacks could no longer be executed on Bismarck in a coordinated fashion as Piorun broke all order

Piorun fucked up Admiral Vian's coordinated torpedo attack effort

Then Piorun gets scared and becomes less aggressive after Bismarck lands couple of shots close to it

One of most overpraised DD ever despite very possibly doing more damage to British

"The fact that popular narrative claims that Piorun's crew fired everything they had at Bismarck, she was the only one of Vian's destroyers that didn't launch her torpedoes"

[cyan oriole]

average russkie

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

Vian shouldn't have even been making a torpedo attack

[grave ravine]

bruh why wouldn't Vian make a torpedo attack

an unescorted battleship at night is like the perfect target for a destroyer squadron

thats standard doctrine in literally every navy

[timber linden]

The brits would have thier revenge after the war.

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/VGZT5cuCdrA?si=GJyS_tcgwUhLkDIr

[cyan oriole]

because the weather was quite bad that night

[grave ravine]

bad weather is an advantage and an opportunity, since it further impairs fire control

[cyan oriole]

which is what he thought, but after losing contact a few times, it turned out Bismarck could shoot them anyways and the attack had to be called off

in the end it was displayed very nicely that singular torpedo attacks against maneuvering ships are usually impossible

even from 3km

[manic latch]

Ah yes

Because Polish crew knows better than experienced Royal Navy Admiral

Piorin's strongest aspect was her luck when Bismarck missed her by 20 yards or so

Or else "I'm a Pole" would turn to "I'm a popcorn"

[cyan oriole]

famously, german AP which needs 45mm of armor to fuse was very effective against planes and DDs

also Vian was a master of ignoring orders himself, so he should have understood

[manic latch]

This ain't Wows

Yamato's shell literally rips through Johnston

Sure it doesn't fuse but it still rips through and creates flood

[cyan oriole]

Johnston was hit by 3 shells

Bismarck was shooting in conditions of much worse visibility, against a ship that was also being buffeted by storm

no way anything more than a superficial hit (like the one on Cossack that took off a radio antenna) is landed

[alpine onyx]

Bingo chart is gettign filled up nicely

Bismarck's ammo loadout being like 30% nose fuzed HE is a thing we prefer to ignore

[cyan oriole]

didn't matter in the end since no hits were scored

[eternal veldt]

It did drive Piorun off. She engaged at 2245, and lost contact ~2330 as she was forced to retreat under 38cm gunfire - didn't matter is a pretty strong word.

The rest of the 4th Flotilla is responsible for the harrassing work the remaining night.

[alpine onyx]

Indeed, no hits were scored. Bismarck's fire was good enough to prevent such hits from happening

Ah wait, the goal post set here is that when defending yourself you must sink everything, not prevent taking damage

[runic ermine]

Rip
https://x.com/VeteransFdn/status/1886475402819862597?s=19

Veterans’ Foundation (@VeteransFdn) on X

We were deeply saddened by the death of WW2 veteran Neville Bowen aged 102 years.

WW2 Royal Navy DEMS Gunner Neville Bowen will be sorely missed by everyone who was lucky enough to meet him. Our thoughts and prayers are with his beloved family.

X · Feb 3, 2025, 6:02 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/02/u-s-marine-corps-reshuffles-f-35-plans-in-latest-avplan/

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxrAZNpIz4

[flint mesa]

'HMS' lol

[somber knoll]

More like too many turrets.

[livid knot]

Remind me what the heck this was?
Found this on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1ihlzpg/us_navy_warship_firing_a_secret_laser_weapon/
Because honestly I just wanna see this in a video game at all, AL, World of Warships, whatever, this feels like a fever dream

[junior trench]

[manic latch]

Its 80s tech actually lol

Tho lately you are getting lasers and powers good enough to damage drones

Idea is them being strong enough to destroy fast missiles in time

For now they work fine against slow drones

Since you know they stay still and slow for decent ammount of time

With higher powers, you can get a laser uhh "hot" enough to burn incoming missiles in time

[cyan oriole]

when you are immobilized with a British fleet coming in the next morning? yes the goalpost is to sink everything

and the original part that started this is "piorun bad", not "bismarck incompetent"

don't aggro on me

[livid knot]

Honest I can't imagine what a Northern Parliament shipgirl would like with that kind of tech
I mean... Collab characters like Ryza (Atelier Series) and Rikka (Gridman) have lasers, I feel we might have something like that in the future

[cyan oriole]

they can never compare to the (alleged) power of archimedes

and his mirrors

[alpine onyx]

If you expect a ship that goes 8kn and that only into very specific directions, that is listing to the point where auxiliary armament gets submerged, to sink everything coming at her, then you are applying unrealistic expectations. And I am calling those out.

Bismarck's goal at that point was to survive, not to sink an entire fleet. Just like when a ship comes under an aerial attack, the goal is to not take hits. Not to shoot down as many planes as possible. There is an overlap between the two goals, but they are not interchangable. And Bismarck did succeed with that goal, no hits taken.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoUYo2ihDmM

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-PDp_6DUA

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/PztDFBt4EPk?si=o4QBxK7ELW4PFwMM

[cyan oriole]

yes, obviously no ship in existence could have survived that situation

but my goal was not to bait you, it was to bait krem who was flaming glorious polish patriots

obviously I am not saying "german ship should easily have used its laser cannons to defeat entire british fleet :madge:"

[cyan oriole]

IJN prefix

https://tenor.com/view/yep-pepe-pepe-yep-gif-18726156

[frozen kestrel]

Honestly, this could be turned into an Ace Combat 7 mod so easily

[remote monolith]

<@&472236072743600148> scammer in heah

[spring briar]

: ))))

Those low 16” hits

Devastating

[versed tree]

very good shots

the bridge got banged up hard

[maiden citrus]

the one in the rudder is a middle finger

[versed tree]

Rest in peace kirishima

u made washington a legend

thanks for you service

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6GPk2SPMlw

[spring briar]

Mhm

Here’s wondering if the shell was traveling base first trough the water to get this hit

[cyan oriole]

incredible that like half of these happened to hit in very lethal spots

all the underwater hits (mainly on the machinery spaces even), 3 shells to turrets, 2 hits directly on secondary battery guns, tons of hits on the superstructure too that probably damaged directors

although, after 20 hits it's pretty likely you'll have hit something important

[junior trench]

there is a bit of a statistical oddity in that hits in general are already a low odds event, but even then they tend to cluster into spots where they really mean something

[narrow rover]

I mean battleship v battleship shoot offs aren't a daily occurrence either

Yes I don't wanna call Kirishima a "battleship"

[subtle prawn]

Then call her a battlecruiser which she was previously classified as?

[cyan oriole]

yeah, like exeter getting hit only twice in 2 battles with the IJN, but both hits being crippling hits to the machinery spaces

[manic latch]

I don't care about what poles say or scream lol

I'm against exaggerating actions of her

Because as you pointed out, she is "patriotic"

So it's much easier for a Polish or say Poland fan to exaggerate her actions against the historical facts for the sake of sentimental love of Poland or memes

[narrow rover]

Didn't the Japanese classify her as a battleship post-refit?

[eternal veldt]

Battlecruiser > battleship > fast battleship

[versed tree]

The IJN called her that so she is that

https://tenor.com/view/umika-blue-archive-blink-animation-gif-11755040855387167934

[versed tree]

I forgot if the captain survived the barage

Barrage

He should have

[narrow rover]

Wasn't Kirishimas captain the dude that commanded the battle of Manila

Oh yea, Sanji Iwabuchi

I'm not sure if he was on Kirishima at the time but he survived Guadalcanal, and subsequently went a bit mad apparently
Because he wanted to defend Manila to the death to redeem his honor or something

[versed tree]

I mean

Losing your whole battleship doesnt seem very

Great

[narrow rover]

Yea but his decision to fight to the death ended up in what was the most fierce urban warfare in the pacific... and took a quarter million people with him

[versed tree]

His last action was the same as the austrian painter

If u know what I meant

[narrow rover]

[zinc ginkgo]

Hi there, does someone know what type of French Medal this is? It was given to my Great-Grandfather, at least according to my grandpa, which checks out since it's the right family name.

[ivory tide]

From looking around it looks like an honour medal for civilian personnel of the defense ministry

[grave ravine]

The back clearly says commerce ministry

[ivory tide]

Didn’t see the back, sorry

[zinc ginkgo]

found it, thanks for the help still, it's a honour medal for the trade minsitry (only 71 issued from 1922 to 1937)

[ivory tide]

Ah

[zinc ginkgo]

tried to look why he got, or why would a police commisioner get one, but there is no registry for those

[tacit sage]

You could possibly talk with a local government office or something and see if they have any information on it. Most countries and their cities will keep records on stuff like that. Usually.

[runic ermine]

he'd be rolling in his grave if he saw your pfp lol

[runic ermine]

That's actually crazy

[spring briar]

Prinz Eugen was technically French

[cyan oriole]

that was pure cope

but the designation "battlecruiser" was obsolete at the time anyways, so it's whatever

by the time of WW2, I think the Kongos were the only real battlecruisers in the world, besides maybe Yavuz
oh and besides Renown and Repulse of course

[cyan oriole]

yeah true, and by that logic, Bismarck is 35,000 tons, and the Panzer force is actually a very nice fleet of agricultural tractors

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[narrow rover]

Japan's late war pistol

The idea was for people to build them at home so that factories getting bombed won't cut off firearm production

[flint mesa]

looks like something out of Fallout

[mellow fable]

IJN Mishima

[spring briar]

this is actually still Admiral Seniavin

[mellow fable]

Ah I see I see

[spring briar]

she would later become Mishima, but in this picture she's still Seniavin

[mellow fable]

There's Mishima

Pre-dreadnought era are some of my favorite ships

Along with later ironclads

Basically everything unique and funky

[spring briar]

absolutely

I love them all

and ironclads

they should add more in AL

[zinc ginkgo]

I want more proper Dreadnoughts

Yeah, NJ, Musashi and Zweimarck are cool

But I need more of the pinnacle of "Big gun, thick armor, fast boat"

And even more with the names. Revenge and Kaiser need to judt have that Aura

[manic latch]

I still have no idea wtf Zweimarck is

Either a copium refit of Bismarck or it's own class no damn clue

Weirdest justification to make Bismarck UR I guess

[spring briar]

Normandie, Languedoc

✨

[narrow rover]

https://youtu.be/fv7BAhoUMB8?si=siYoXnVe5F6ktDff

IJN, not sure exactly when

[wooden sentinel]

kaga class battlship

[eternal veldt]

Its literally just Bismarck. She still sports the 10.5 C/33 mounts

Combat Instructions, shall we say?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQ-n_CYg9M

[runic ermine]

Why did Japan leave tanks such as the Chi-nu on the home islands rather than deploy them somewhere?

[timber linden]

Tosa

[cyan oriole]

yeah it's some copium for the Wehraboos

at least Wargambling tries to write fanfiction to explain what their ships are, devs didn't do that with Zweimark

[cyan oriole]

where are they going to use them where they are worth the fuel cost for a nation under constant submarine attack?

tanks aren't that needed in China, and they aren't too useful in Pacific jungle islands

so better to keep the tanks (which aren't that good anyways) in reserve as a last resort, instead of relying on them

[cyan oriole]

don't give WeeGee any ideas... they will add T10 "AL Bismarck Zwei", who magically has 3 times better maneuverability than Bismarck, and a magic button that gives it 30km secondary range after taking 3 shells worth of potential damage

and also the button does the Wisconsin MBRB and consumable boost as well

price: 600 euros through lootboxes to get access to the dockyard missions to have the chance to win an auction for the ship

[rapid junco]

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[manic latch]

Oh god

Bismarck can be a Tier 11 if you make put her on cruiser slot

[strong mountain]

i mean there's Siegfried, just one turret short at T9

[supple sandal]

https://fixvx.com/Jerry_duy_I/status/1888239128535597083

I hope the movie won't be hot garbage

[runic ermine]

The Philippines is one place. The Japanese even deployed their only tank destroyer (the Ho-ni) there

[runic ermine]

Here's some more info on it
https://x.com/Jerry_duy_I/status/1888242357763776939

jerry duy (@Jerry_duy_I) on X

The movie name is Mưa Đỏ (Red Rain) base on the novel of army colonel and write Chu Lai.
The movie trailer

X · Feb 8, 2025, 3:03 PM

It's a novel adaptation

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1888679266247913863

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdh1PH3ZdTQ

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/GkfnZVT003o?si=F184eYxGywNIiYtt

[cyan oriole]

WeeGee announced a "new large cruiser line" in waterline, so it might be panzerschiffe

and the supership will be Bismarck, the most played ship in the game, repackaged

surely

[manic latch]

I'm surprised this ain't UR event yet in AL

Likely one of largest "cruiser" ever

KW45

45,000 tons, 984' long, 111' wide

36-37 knots

8-380mm/47 (4x2),

12-150mm/55
4x3
8 105mm

(4x2), 8-533mm TT

203mm belt

She reach this speed by using 300,000hp

I see these as German super Kongos

[narrow rover]

300,000 horse powers

That's more horses on her than a Nimitz class nuclear carrier

How in the name of god were the Germans planning to propell that thing

[maiden citrus]

they weren't, now please don't send me to the front, I am useful see, here is sketch for 45k ton ship with 8'' belt

[narrow rover]

I mean at least they were planning to do it with 4 screws

I would have preferred 5 with such enormous horse power but
I doubt Hitler would have known about any of that lmao

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lhtxxwjqes2t

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1906, HMS Dreadnought became "the most deadly fighting machine ever launched in the history of the world." Dreadnought heralded a new era of naval warfare by introducing a revolutionary design that gave the battleship unprecedented firepower and speed.

Bluesky · Feb 10, 2025, 8:23 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1bQ0Ur7Y7A

[cyan oriole]

"super Kongo" you mean Hood?

knowing WG, they will change the main armament to Brandenburg guns, 4x3 305/56

and then add some ahistorical armor like they did with Agir

actually, KW50 is basically just a modern German Hood

interesting

[spring briar]

No

Not even close

[manic latch]

It is 5 screw

[narrow rover]

Oh, it is 5 screw.... didn't see the middle one

[cyan oriole]

meanwhile glorious soviet project 24 battleship easily beats puny germans (bait used to believe)

[narrow rover]

I always said picking a side on the eastern front was like picking a side in a gang war, but the gang members have down syndrome

[timber linden]

The eastern front was a choice between genocidal socialist governments

[shrewd pecan]

[subtle prawn]

Huh, another person who believes the Nazis were socialist just because they had the word in their party name

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053022

[grave ravine]

There was a socialist wing of the party, led by Rohm, but they all got purged in 1934, shortly after Hitler took power

[remote monolith]

if anything the Nazis were utterly beholden to companies lmao

they involved private companies on everything from tank designing (the Army only gave out desired specifications while the companies get to fill in how they reach said requirements with whatever means they can use) to making Holocaust ovens

[mental tapir]

Very socialist of the Nazis to checks notes initiate mass privatisation

[narrow rover]

It's hard to say they were "socialist" but that's a whole 'nother issue

But yea it was a choice between two terrible governments

[remote monolith]

I mean that's not debatable, the Nazis aren't socialists ever since Night of the Long Knives and the purging of the Strasserist faction

[narrow rover]

Rohm, who is uhh... probably best described as a swastika made of cocks

[cyan oriole]

lmao, neither side was "socialist" in anything but name

although I suppose states like the USSR are the end result of socialism, so it's not technically wrong

not sure why stalin fanboys aren't treated with the same disdain we treat the kanyes of the internet

[narrow rover]

The only good thing he did was being a good meat shield against the Germans lmao

[eternal veldt]

Dear god, please not the "human wave" stuff

[remote monolith]

its been a while since there's any human waves discourses round these parts

[narrow rover]

LoL no

[timber linden]

Muh college professor said that real socialism was never tried

[narrow rover]

Let's not get into that debate

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2L8-7nHcI8

[runic ermine]

When you really think about it, Japan and Italy both had a lot of similarities post ww1 and going into ww2

They both:
-Were on the winning side of ww1
-Gained a little bit of land
-Were seen as rising powers
-Participated in the allied intervention in Russia
-Fought against countries or factions who didn't have a lot of tanks (the only exception to this is Italy fighting the Republicans during the Spainish Civil war)
-Modernized their standard issue rifle by shortening it and giving it a new round with a spitzer bullet
-Had a weak industrial base which hampered their military campaigns

[narrow rover]

Two countries that really shouldn't have joined WW1

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwMSJuXoh8A

[narrow rover]

T34t34t34t34t34

[junior trench]

the word outright exists to describe Nazi policies

it first appears in English in 1923 in a single article describing German economic actions post-WW1

then properly gets popular in the 30s for describing Nazi economic policies

then dies out before roaring back in the 70s thanks to Thatcher's Britain

[runic ermine]

I feel like people don't know what a human wave is

[junior trench]

the existence of a doctrine doesn't mean said doctrine is executed well

Soviet offenses would start off according to a doctrinally "sound" plan, but without frequent operational pauses would quickly devolve into just shoving as much men and material into a perceived weakpoint or breakthrough as possible

[flint mesa]

Great. people nowadays not only confuse with Syndicalism and Socialism but also Nazis and Socialism, D'Annunzio is crying his heart out LMAO

[mental tapir]

Wouldn't be the first time dictators used misleading names for their states; see: Democratic People's Republic of Korea

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/olympics-olympic-games-australia-sydney2000-olympic-games-opening-gif-17877701

The old grant strategy of we have more irishmen in new york than the south has gunpowder

[runic ermine]

That's called attrition. And it's currently being used in a certain part of the world

[runic ermine]

Also i feel like people misunderstand Grant

[fierce sparrow]

scrolling up and... sigh

Korean Air early history is troubling, Flight 801 is just sad to me.
I always think Flight 8509 the "last straw" that forced the entire company to change for the better.

[timber linden]

Grant is what union army needed. A man willing to fight. Hooker was willing to fight but was scared after one or two loses, Burnside was punching above his wieght and McClellan was too much of a father. No better a man to win a drunken brawl than a drunk....

And yes grants drinking was over exaggerated but the saying kind of fits

The turn after the wilderness tells you the type of general grant was

[cyan oriole]

• Two countries that really shouldn't have joined WW2

[cyan oriole]

aka. russian doctrine for the past 300 years

nothing new here

[remote monolith]

I mean I wouldn't say that at all

That's certainly not true for the Great Northern War, the Napoleonic War, the or the Crimean War

And arguably not even true for WWII also

and what cleve said also isn't human waves, that's still basically the same thing Germany does, try to funnel men into narrow points in the enemy lines and break through

[timber linden]

Human wave is more like the people's volunteer army of the people liberation army. Where it was a broad front sent, instead of cutting a steak with knife you cut it with a tenderizing mallet

[remote monolith]

but even that isn't one of them

what the Chinese did was classic shock attack by infiltrating enemy lines after scouting out weak points

its the same thing Germany played around with in 1918 and what the Japanese applied in WWII

[timber linden]

Learn something everyday, thank you

[remote monolith]

its not even that different from what the major powers used in WWII since the principle is still exploiting weakpoints, its just that the Chinese was far less mechanized and they were fighting in shit terrains so they had to use leggy guys, and when they failed to get the surprise or the breakthrough they tend to eat shit and lose a lot of men

and in fairness, the Chinese leadership were definitely willing to send in a LOT of men to a perceived breach if they think it'll lead to major progress or close to winning an engagement, costs be damned

[junior trench]

that was the intention

it was not the practice to an utter lack of tactical command and control

like how the intention of the T-34 and the practice of the T-34 are vastly different

[remote monolith]

I mean I agree there would be cases where breakdown in operational capabilities would end up making them look like they do human wave attacks, but I wouldn't indict the entire system anymore than I would indict Crassus as the model of Roman system due to his performance at Carrhae

since Crassus walked in into a trap laid by Surena almost willingly despite the warnings of his allies

And most of all, Artabazes the king of Armenia gave him courage, for he came to his camp with six thousand horsemen. These were said to be the king's guards and couriers; but he promised ten thousand mail-clad horsemen besides, and thirty thousand footmen, to be maintained at his own cost. 2 And he tried to persuade Crassus to invade Parthia by way of Armenia, for thus he would not only lead his forces along in the midst of plenty, which the king himself would provide, but would also proceed with safety, confronting the cavalry of the Parthians, in which lay their sole strength, with many mountains, and continuous crests, and regions where the horse p373 could not well serve. Crassus was tolerably well pleased with the king's zeal and with the splendid reinforcements which he offered, but said he should march through Mesopotamia, where he had left many brave Romans. 3 Upon this, the Armenian rode away.

Now, as Crassus was taking his army across the Euphrates at Zeugma,​31 many extraordinary peals of thunder crashed about them, and many flashes of lightning also darted in their faces, and a wind, half mist and half hurricane, fell upon their raft, breaking it up and shattering it in many places. 4 The place where he was intending to encamp was also smitten by two thunderbolts. And one of the general's horses, richly caparisoned, violently dragged its groom along with it into the river and disappeared beneath the waves. It is said also that the first eagle which was raised aloft, faced about of its own accord.​32 5 Besides all this, it happened that when their rations were distributed to the soldiers after the crossing of the river, lentils and salt came first, which are held by the Romans to be tokens of mourning, and are set out as offerings to the dead. Moreover, Crassus himself, while haranguing his men, let fall a phrase which terribly confounded them. He said, namely, that he should destroy the bridge over the river, that not one of them might return. And although he ought, as soon as he perceived the strangeness of his expression, to have recalled it and made his meaning clear to his timorous hearers, he was too obstinate to do so. 6 And finally, when he p375 was making the customary sacrifice of purification for the army, and the seer placed the viscera in his hands, he let them fall to the ground; then, seeing that the bystanders were beyond measure distressed at the occurrence, he smiled and said: "Such is old age; but no weapon, you may be sure, shall fall from its hands."

[junior trench]

no, it's absolutely an indictment of their whole system considering the total lack of field radios for P"V"LA units

[remote monolith]

After this, he marched along the river with seven legions of men-at‑arms, nearly four thousand horsemen, and about as many light-armed troops. Some of his scouts now came back from their explorations, and reported that the country was destitute of men, but that they had come upon the tracks of many horses which had apparently wheeled about and fled from pursuit. Wherefore Crassus himself was all the more confident, and his soldiers went so far as to despise the Parthians utterly, believing that they would not come to close quarters. 2 But, nevertheless, Cassius once more had a conference with Crassus, and advised him above all things to recuperate his forces in one of the garrisoned cities, until he should get some sure information about the enemy; but if not this, then to advance to Seleucia along the river. For in this way the transports would keep them abundantly supplied with provisions by putting in at their successive encampments, and, by having the river to prevent their being surrounded, they would always fight their enemies on even terms and face to face.

While Crassus was still investigating and considering these matters, there came an Arab chieftain, Ariamnes by name, a crafty and treacherous man, and one who proved to be, of all the mischiefs which fortune combined for the destruction of the p377 Romans, the greatest and most consummate. 2 Some of the soldiers who had served under Pompey in these parts knew that the fellow had profited by the kindness of that commander and was thought to be a friend of Rome; but now, with the knowledge of the royal generals, he tried to work his way into the confidence of Crassus, to see if he could turn him aside as far as possible from the river and the foothills, and bring him down into a boundless plain where he could be surrounded. For nothing was farther from the thoughts of the Parthians than to attack the Romans in front. 3 Accordingly, coming to Crassus, the Barbarian (and he was a plausible talker, too) lauded Pompey as his benefactor, and complimented Crassus on his forces. But then he criticised him for wasting time in delays and preparations, as if it was arms that he needed, and not hands and the swiftest of feet to follow after men who had for some time been trying to snatch up their most valuable goods and slaves and fly with them into Scythia or Hyrcania. 4 "And yet," said he, "if you intend to fight, you ought to hasten on before all the king's forces are concentrated and he has regained his courage; since, for the time being, Surena and Sillaces have been thrown forward to sustain your pursuit, but the king is nowhere to be seen."

damn I actually forgot how much of an idiot Crassus was

[junior trench]

complex infiltration attacks which are supposed to be organized, at night, by sight and sound signals

do you see the problem?

[remote monolith]

there were many signals that the parthians were up to no good and he's getting into a trap

and he ended up missing them all

hile the Romans were in consternation at this din, suddenly their enemies dropped the coverings of their armour, and were seen to be themselves blazing in helmets and breastplates, their Margianian steel glittering keen and bright, and their horses clad in plates of bronze and steel. 2 Surena himself, however, was the tallest and fairest of them all, although his effeminate beauty did not well correspond to his reputation for valour, but he was dressed more in the Median fashion, with painted face and parted hair, while the rest of the Parthians still wore their hair long and bunched over their foreheads, in Scythian fashion, to make themselves look formidable. 3 And at first they purposed to charge upon the Romans with their long spears, and throw their front ranks into confusion; but when they saw the depth of their formation, where shield p389 was locked with shield, and the firmness and composure of the men, they drew back, and while seeming to break their ranks and disperse, they surrounded the hollow square in which their enemy stood before he was aware of the manoeuvre. 4 And when Crassus ordered his light-armed troops to make a charge, they did not advance far, but encountering a multitude of arrows, abandoned their undertaking and ran back for shelter among the men-at‑arms, among whom they caused the beginning of disorder and fear, for these now saw the velocity and force of the arrows, which fractured armour, and tore their way through every covering alike, whether hard or soft.

But the Parthians now stood at long intervals from one another and began to shoot their arrows from all sides at once, not with any accurate aim (for the dense formation of the Romans would not suffer an archer to miss even if he wished it), but making vigorous and power­ful shots from bows which were large and mighty and curved so as to discharge their missiles with great force. 6 At once, then, the plight of the Romans was a grievous one; for if they kept their ranks, they were wounded in great numbers, and if they tried to come to close quarters with the enemy, they were just as far from effecting anything and suffered just as much. For the Parthians shot as they fled, and next to the Scythians, they do this most effectively; and it is a very clever thing to seek safety while still fighting, and to take away the shame of flight.

and of course he lost in son trying to make a decisive engagement with the Parthians a reality

ow as long as they had hopes that the enemy would exhaust their missiles and desist from battle or fight at close quarters, the Romans held p391 out; but when they perceived that many camels laden with arrows were at hand, from which the Parthians who first encircled them took a fresh supply, then Crassus, seeing no end to this, began to lose heart, and sent messengers to his son with orders to force an engagement with the enemy before he was surrounded; for it was his wing especially which the enemy were attacking and surrounding with their cavalry, in the hope of getting in his rear. 2 Accordingly, the young man took thirteen hundred horsemen, of whom a thousand had come from Caesar, five hundred archers, and eight cohorts of the men-at‑arms who were nearest him, and led them all to the charge. But the Parthians who were trying to envelop him, either because, as some say, they encountered marshes, or because they were manoeuvring to attack Publius as far as possible from his father, wheeled about and made off.

complete mismanagement of the entire situation

and you know, while in the long run Carrhae didn't massively weaken the Roman hegemony it was still an embarrassing affair

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, what will happen has Crassus actually follow the Armenian advice and succeed or even the case that he failed, Crassus managed to get away?

Would the Triumvirate still stand or Ceasar and Pompey will capitalize on Crassus failure to get more concessions from him.

[remote monolith]

if he lived he probably would have slid into irrelevance imo

he was already getting outshone by Pompey and Caesar

[autumn sorrel]

So the Civil War is inevitable?

[remote monolith]

yeah, Pompey was plotting already by that point. I would guess Crassus prolly would back Caesar since iirc he didn't like Pompey while he was pretty chummy with Caesar and Caesar owed a ton of money to him

[autumn sorrel]

Oh right, Crassus bankrolled Ceasar political and military career

[remote monolith]

yeah pretty much

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, wasn’t Crassus son promised to Ceasar Daughter? The one that later married Pompey?

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, in a case where the Civil War happened like in our timeline but Crassus still alive and support Ceasar, what could he ask more from Ceasar when he assume the dictator role?

Another chance at the Parthian? Bc in our timeline Anthony pretty much try to do it in a smaller scale, and while it still failed, it isn’t as disastrous as Crassus one.

[remote monolith]

well he was insanely greedy so I assume Caesar could satisfy him with governorship of rich provinces

or several monetary concessions

paying his debt would be a start probably

[autumn sorrel]

Would the debt carry over to Augustus?

As part of his inheritance to Ceasar estate?

[remote monolith]

idk anything about Roman debt inheritance law so I can't say

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXqnw1OWecw

[subtle prawn]

Was going to ping the mods, but it appears they've detected and deleted the post

[runic ermine]

I'm not an expert on the American civil war but I heard that Burnside didn't want to be promoted and he even said that he shouldn't

[timber linden]

Yes, Burnside warned that was grossly unread for the command. Plus his command was poisoned by McClellan loyalists in core leadership and poor communication with his common staff. The fact that he totally fooled Lee right before the cluster... that the battle of fredericksburg should be commended
Just execution beyond thay was beyond poor.

[runic ermine]

But one thing is for certain, he had a killer mustache

[spring briar]

Fredericksburg would’ve looked a lot differently if his pontoons would’ve been delivered on time by halleck

[timber linden]

So much so, we have sideburns for a reason

[timber linden]

Yes

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3li6jtaonik2x

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

USS Saratoga is probably the only warship to have a pink head. The startling pink bathroom was the result of crewmen applying a coat of white paint before the red primer was dry. Navy regs authorized light pastel colors, so the head was left pink for a few years.
#FunFactFriday

Bluesky · Feb 15, 2025, 1:09 AM

[remote monolith]

<@&472236072743600148> usual stuff

[topaz sparrow]

Ping admins for scam messages please.

[icy nebula]

/ban 1339689952736313417

[nova ice]

mastertrading_class#0 got banned.

[remote monolith]

gotcha

[narrow rover]

Bruh

[supple sandal]

I think it is weird that South Korea might have more T-80 than North Korea

[supple sandal]

Fuck

They do

[narrow rover]

No, we don't.
All the T-80Us Korea acquired from Russia was retired and either broken up for parts or converted to test targets

The Russo-Ukraine conflict was the nail in the coffin since it became impossible to get parts for it

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3liga227pos2h

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 2002, Royal Marines accidentally invaded Spain during a landing exercise. The marines thought they had reached the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar until Spanish fisherman informed them that they were on the wrong side of the border. The marines then beat a hasty retreat.

▶ Play video

Bluesky · Feb 18, 2025, 2:35 AM

[sullen canyon]

To think you're about to do some training exercises, only to be told you landed on the wrong side of the border. Well at least they did what would be considered a quick extraction of sorts since that was the case there

[supple sandal]

The problem is North Korea have none

[narrow rover]

😭

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LKvp8t51aQ

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSqi-pdXR58

[timber linden]

Dive bomber tactics evolved during the war to ease the training of new aircrew, eliminating the pull up step

[junior trench]

who would win, a 10 minute yt video, or a single frame from a doujin

[desert agate]

Sauce?

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/drYXJomyIas?si=eDzVAGA43nzcCj3K

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K49AyrA9KrA

[remote monolith]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/19/thutmose-ii-tomb-is-egypts-biggest-archaeological-discovery-since-1922

Tomb is discovered in 2022 but only identified now

[mental tapir]

Happy 85th anniversary to the Kriegsmarine's most successful operation

[narrow rover]

When Germany beat itself

[fierce rover]

If you haven't watched it. you should all watch "Battle 360"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl6WmNMzo7Q

[autumn sorrel]

Isn’t T-80U is Kontakt-5 equipped?

Iirc, what SK have is not even watered down export model but Guard tier level of equipment

[velvet flume]

found in the archive

need translation

[supple sandal]

https://youtu.be/6_utLtIF5R0

[tacit sage]

Yo, that's a sick ride, how long till they start selling them?

[worn parcel]

SS united states went under philly bridge

[narrow rover]

RIP to peak ocean liner
There will never be a ship like her again

[worn parcel]

also that happened

[lost ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0905U7c2V8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs9r6LDT-RQ

[runic ermine]

The Regia Marina was better in every regard

[timber linden]

Not saying much

[subtle prawn]

That's not really an achievement

[remote monolith]

I mean in complete fairness the Regia Marina did semi-contested the Mediterranean for 3 years and kept the African supply line open

That's already far better than utterly failing to close the Arctic route

[narrow rover]

I mean it's not hard to beat a country whose navy was severely limited because of another war they lost 20 years ago

[lament hazel]

Nachi's seaplane with Haguro in the background

[narrow rover]

Should have been a German ship

[runic ermine]

They were on the winning side of ww1

[narrow rover]

... Germany I mean

[runic ermine]

Oh sorry

[wooden sentinel]

ise blueprint

[narrow rover]

The "set my hangar on fire"

[timber linden]

Nine ships sunk by German torpedoes during World War I have been found off the coast of Morocco, experts announced.
https://search.app/vL9mj5DkeDo42dtz9

[cyan oriole]

never underestimate the power of autism

[worn parcel]

go to 1:54:37 on the SS united states towing stream

[worn parcel]

timestamped link alert https://www.youtube.com/live/FVhF-q0nfjs?si=ARwju7i6oXAiAZtg&t=6876

[warm nebula]

I kinda have questions

When Bismarck sunk,there lot of survivor in the water,Dorsetshire and Maori try to take them in,but a look out in HMS Dorsetshire say they spotted what could be a u boat periscope,so they both need to go

Did any of you think a u boat would torpedo the ship that trying to help their countrymen?

[worn parcel]

SS united states is outside virginia

[worn parcel]

vinik no 6

i'm scared because what happened to SS america

[tribal mortar]

What site is that

[worn parcel]

Marinetraffic

Flight radar for ships

[timber linden]

Probably not, just an excuse for the brits to leave them. Revenge for hood. Remember the brits left alot in the water at Falkland in the great war

[tribal mortar]

Sic

[cyan oriole]

????????

schizophrenia much?????

both British and German soailors and officers were quite diligent at picking up survivors

because tomorrow it could be you
it's one of the rare courtesies of war

[cyan oriole]

no, but they might not know what is going on

so of course the British have to operate under the assumption that the sub is hostile and will attack

[eternal veldt]

There is no legal obligation to rescue hors de combat of the enemy upon the sinking of the enemy vessel; it is done only morally. Claiming that this effort is abandoned for "revenge" when the ship is putting itself at risk is asinine.

Executing and killing survivors, on the other hand, is a war crime.

There are also cases of ships intentionally leaving their fellow ships' survivors to die, as in the case of Helena not performing any rescue operations on Juneau as I-26 was still in the vicinity after the torpedoing, and the assumption that there were no survivors in the spectacle of her destruction.

[remote monolith]

bro just speedrunning dogshit takes at this point

the British were well aware U-boats were in the area and considering they DID pick up some survivors, over 100 even, where the hell did you get the revenge notion

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/97aH5SnEDC8?si=fsmT1aTdXTdQKzpv

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3linm26fiic25

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD 1942, Butch O'Hare became an ace when he shot down five bombers attacking USS Lexington. His father had been Al Capone's lawyer but was gunned down after helping prosecutors convict Scarface of tax evasion. Butch was KIA in 1943. O'Hare Airport is named in his honor.

Bluesky · Feb 21, 2025, 12:59 AM

[indigo jay]

hello captains o/
is anybody here know the name of these radar? it was on Scharnhorst

[fallow pagoda]

Good to know there's another Fat Electrician enjoyer in this server.

[junior trench]

That would require them to be radars to begin with

[indigo jay]

Thanks. I've found the answer. they are 3-meter and 7-meter night rangefinder

[spring briar]

This chat sometimes

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Smoothbore guns from the 1840’s converted to rifled guns

[cyan oriole]

it's always fun to read random threads from some forum about "who would win" (even if some of the information and logic is questionable)
https://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8994

what are your thoughts on Hipper (say, New Year's Eve battle configuration) vs Wichita (say, Leyte configuration), chat?

[narrow rover]

Kbismarck forum

Oh god

[cyan oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-troll-face-phonk-troll-face-terror-dark-gif-3039755119636354997

kbismarck users on their way to argue over whose misinformation is superior

[remote monolith]

Oh god you found that place

[narrow rover]

Ship v ship is just
Stupid

Mikasa can beat Yamato if the conditions are just right

[remote monolith]

Can Mikasa BEAT a Yamato thats BOUND and GAGGED and DISMANTLED

[opal aspen]

yea, implying that neither one has a single escort vessel, which they probably would have escort vessels, rendering the bounding, gagging, and dismantling invalid

[remote monolith]

You don't understand

You put giant wraps on Yamato

Everywhere

[opal aspen]

still gotta deal with escorts

[remote monolith]

Wrapped too

With bandages

Tons of them

[opal aspen]

what bout the carrier that would be dragged along?

[remote monolith]

Wrapped

[opal aspen]

how would they afford that many bandages?

[opal aspen]

how do they afford the bandages?

[remote monolith]

With money of course, just buy them

It's that easy

[narrow rover]

Tbf I'm not sure if Mikasas main guns can penetrate Yamato even at ramming range lmao

[opal aspen]

lol

and that

AND what if the americans show up during this waste of resources?

[narrow rover]

My point is that historically ship vs ship was really difficult to predict

[opal aspen]

yea

for theres numerous factors, including the strength of escort, strenght of airpower

[remote monolith]

Well yeah pretty much, since a lot of factors goes into it unless you basically rig the entire thing to favor another

[narrow rover]

Bismarck one shot Hood when it really should have been fight the Germans don't win
Blucher was destroyed by 1890s torpedoes that had no business sinking a 1940s cruiser

[opal aspen]

lol

[remote monolith]

Pay off the Yamato's crew to blast a hole in the hull from the inside

Problem solved

[narrow rover]

[opal aspen]

well, if thats the case, wouldnt yamato just be skuttling herself?

[narrow rover]

On a more serious note I can definitely see something like a KGV class being able to deal with Yammy

[remote monolith]

Nonono, the paid off crew when they survive the inevitable sinking should claim it's actually the work of the Mikasa's main guns

Therefore Mikasa gains the win

[opal aspen]

lol, kgv would be better

H CLASS BETTER THAN THAT

[spring briar]

Wichita would wipe the floor with her

[cyan oriole]

reminds me of the "Warspite can beat Yamato" debate after that Drach drydock

yes, technically Warspite can beat Yamato, but in practice the conditions for that to happen will pretty much only be seen if Yamato is in port with a skeleton crew and boilers turned off

that, or Warspite gets 3 lucky hits that each jam a separate turret

[cyan oriole]

they can't lmao

they're shitty 1900s shells, they just shatter everywhere

but Mikasa can still damage nonvitals with HE like at Tsushima, and of course with nobody to put out fires, Yamato will eventually burn down

that's an interesting thought though, if all magazines are empty/flooded, can a ship even be sunk by fires alone?

all fire sinkings I know of were because of secondary explosions (think Astoria, Blucher, etc), or abandoning ship

[cyan oriole]

yeah, but it's still possible to decide who would have an advantage across a few likely scenarios

[cyan oriole]

this reminds me of a funny story:
once I was browing a Polish warship forum. One guy was doing simulations of BB fights, and to his shock, KGV actually managed to beat Yamato when he simulated that
it turned out what happened was that in the rough weather conditions, Yamato happened to heel at the exact moment that a shell hit it (so that the shell landed below the waterline), and apparently that hit + flooding was able to impair Yamato to the point where the KGV won

[spring briar]

but how tho

[rapid junco]

https://youtu.be/lbOyTN7MKCc?si=ZmvZT1WX6lkBWB9I

[narrow rover]

Has to get lucky and pepper Yammy with HE before it can slam dunk you back

[junior trench]

German cruiser shells when they meet Class A plates

[narrow rover]

Admiral Hipper when my ass:

[eternal veldt]

The core issue of ship versus ship I often found is in a one against one situation, with zero context for its mission, escorts or otherwise.

It becomes a calculation of vulnerability zones and mathematical probability, or anecdotes if it comes to that.

And if its the former, there's already a program that does it and doesnt require much discussion.

[narrow rover]

And then there's the issue that any ship can take an unlucky hit

[eternal veldt]

Any ship, no matter how well protected, is intrinsically vulnerable at the stern.

[narrow rover]

No ship has protection against, say, a shell going down the funnels

Yes not even the fucking Yamato

[eternal veldt]

No, Im not talking about the rudder.

Im talking about propeller shafts.

[narrow rover]

Well yea
PoW and Bismarck

[eternal veldt]

On a lucky basis, you get a Vittorio Veneto situation where the shaft snaps off, and the ship would survive - maybe a couple bucket brigades if your generators get flooded or overwhelmed.

On a not so lucky basis, you get Prince of Wales'd and compartments flood at such a rate that closing hatches is not possible as the shaft vibrates to the point of tearing the whole hull open.

[narrow rover]

Honestly "lucky hits" don't sound so lucky based on just how often it happened

2 BBs got slam dunked in the ass

In WW2

[eternal veldt]

But it is lucky; most naval actions tend to end indecisively with a mere anecdote left on the log book.

[narrow rover]

[eternal veldt]

A plane appeared, we promptly shot it down.

Enemy ships were spotted, but no meaningful hits were landed and we were forced to withdraw due to unfavourable weather conditions - (Lofoten, Sirte)

[narrow rover]

"We shot at each other for 3 hours and ran out of ammo"

[eternal veldt]

That happened to the plucky destroyer called Espero, yes

Expending 80% of British Cruiser ammo to dispose of her

And then there are unique cases like Shimakaze

.Bmg and bomb near misses tearing the hull open to progressive flooding, so much so it reaches the boilers and they explode on contact, incapacitating the ship and leaving it to the mercy of planes

Not so speedy now, eh?

[eternal veldt]

You fool, that's a waste of resources given Mikasa's legacy.

Bribe Yamato's crew to host a booze party in her magazines and brew their own ethanol.

Mikasa's crews are experts on that front, and everybody likes a good booze.

Bring some flares and fireworks too, call it a celebratory toast before the duel.

Decisive Victory for Mikasa.

[cyan oriole]

average engagement with the IJN:

don't ask kurita how many battleships it takes to sink 1 escort carrier

same for how many shells it takes to land 1 hit on exeter

[eternal veldt]

I mean

Kurita hasnt slept for three days

The crew is weary after the torment of Palawan Passage and Sibuyan Sea

[cyan oriole]

yeah it's not his fault of course, but for the sake of a bit it's more convenient to pin the blame on 1 factor

[eternal veldt]

And now the destroyers are laying a smoke screen

Worse yet, there's a rain squall

Of course its easy to say "heehoo no hits"

[cyan oriole]

well there were hits, they just weren't enough in time

[eternal veldt]

Meanwhile Yamato's near miss knocking White Plain's electric grid offline:

[cyan oriole]

the battlefleet had like 10 mins of good shooting conditions in the end

[eternal veldt]

The problem is that the ships just switched from Formation 3 (AA) to Formation 4 (All out offensive)

No time for the ships to get into proper positions, and Taffy 3 is, for what they are worth, putting up extremely tough resistance

[narrow rover]

Look man the IJN is either an unstoppable kami of war or a joke there's no in between

[cyan oriole]

sometimes both within the same day

[cyan oriole]

if only that fleet had better communications

although, I suppose it's for the best that they failed

[narrow rover]

At least Kurita survived the war
Also lived to be 80 something
I swear a lot of these WW2 veterans live quite long
Maybe everything is easy once you survive WW2

[eternal veldt]

You are speaking to a man who narrowly escaped his flagship's escape by swimming (Atago is done within 5 minutes), saw one of the most intense airstrikes and destruction of the Navy's one of the finest capital ships

And now, 3 days later, planes are fucking buzzing in the air again

I'd be very weary and cautious

[cyan oriole]

yeah, kurita would fit right in with wows players

[narrow rover]

"Kurita turn"
Mans was mocked relentlessly due to that after the war until he died

[cyan oriole]

what was kurita doing in the early part of the war?

[eternal veldt]

He was in command of Crudiv 7

[cyan oriole]

I remember he was commanding cruisers at midway when Mikuma sunk

and he got mentioned in that java sea book I read

[eternal veldt]

It deserves criticism from hindsight

Less so in the fog of war

[cyan oriole]

yep, at least it's valid criticism

[eternal veldt]

Just like how Mikawa could just sailed on to wipe out the US transports at Savo, but did not do so

[cyan oriole]

unlike "haha italian bad" and "lmao admiral phillips so incompetent, underestimating planes"

[eternal veldt]

Same for Abe after Guadalcanal

Both are borne out of valid caution against the US (carrier) force

And Japan's not likely to reconstitute any losses in capital ships in time

[narrow rover]

The one that deserves to really get mocked are ones like Mutaguchi

[eternal veldt]

(Every new capital ship ended up having worse fates than their predecessors)

[narrow rover]

"Ah yes I will LITERALLY START THE SINO JAPANAESE WAR"

[eternal veldt]

Taihou? Dead in 3 months.

Shinano? Dead in days.

Unryu? Dead on Maiden voyage.

gg

[eternal veldt]

Phillips deserves absolute ridicule for his inept communication and refusal to do so even when under airstrikes.

He received the message that no air support would be available [to the area he intended to operate in], which he and his staff did not seek to clarify