history

[echo onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PfdQod8HTw

[ivory ridge]

(not that i fully disagree but usually boat stuff is fine)

random modern tanks or planes or whatever less so

[echo onyx]

my physical copy

[junior trench]

[manic latch]

Is it

Less allied members died as result

And Japan is destined to lose, so killing more allied pilots/soldiers wouldn't change much but cause more needless death

[timber linden]

John wanye as the...captain of the uss ward

started the trend of US destroyers sending jap subs to ol Davey Jones

[echo onyx]

wat

[timber linden]

Usless fact: The Ward would be later lost during Haley's typhoon

[echo onyx]

wayne wasn't in this movie

[timber linden]

I could have sown that Wanye was in tora tora tora

.....

[echo onyx]

you have a guy that almost looks like Kirk Douglas

[timber linden]

Jerry Fogel

according to IMDB

[echo onyx]

basically Halsey

[timber linden]

....why do I remember Wayne? I dont do westerns and Longest day is in black and white.

who knows

[echo onyx]

Watch the dollars trilogy

worth it 100%

[timber linden]

Maybe if I ever get into westerns, they have a channel on normal tv dedicated to them so I might start over the break that is coming

[echo onyx]

just watch the three Clint Easwood movies man

although right

the 1st one is a copy of Yojimbo..japanese movie

Kurasawa movie

[timber linden]

Yojimbo is such a great movie

[echo onyx]

I only have Harakiri & Ran

[timber linden]

I want to watch Harakiri, on the purchase list

[echo onyx]

basically Fistfull of Dollas to Yojimbo is what The Force Awakens is to a New Hope

[timber linden]

fistfull cant be as bad as Force

[echo onyx]

generally what I'm saying is..it is a copy

[tacit sage]

Tbf, Westerns and Samurai movies took from each other constantly.

[echo onyx]

idk

but I think there was a lawsuit between the two movies

[subtle prawn]

If posting about modern firearms, warships, warplanes, or vehicles really was a bannable offense for this club, I would have had my privileges stripped a long time ago

[timber linden]

I know, I dont care but it seems like some members seem to really care

[light dagger]

https://youtu.be/PY06OsGOV1Y?si=VW16MmUH7EWEu1aU

[timber linden]

Japanese: we sank one battleship and damaged most of the american battleline

America:hold my beer

[runic ermine]

That's not even the full map btw

[timber linden]

It was like the axis was amateur hour wasn't it

[unborn pewter]

who must go?

[warm ferry]

I have that map saved in my google search history by how many times I end up referencing it

[burnt scarab]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Little_India_riot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Singapore_(1941)

Events on Dec 8th... FYI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsBcRWe9jx4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ZwE-4qDg4&pp=ygUgU2hvb3RvdXQgYXNzYXVsdCBvbiBHZXJtYW55IFdXSUk%3D

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1865623758649581926?

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

German tankers had a tendency to count their kills very optimistically. #OTD in 1943 instructions were given by the 18th Army, reminding its tankers that not all enemy tanks that were hit counted as destroyed, especially not those that drove away afterwards. #tanks #history #WW2

Twitter · Dec 8, 2024, 5:05 AM

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/hJpEjQTlxtM?si=937i2eUdaCvlwwQj

[runic ermine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong

[burnt scarab]

The first one to fell Countryball. Singapore ( Where I live ) fell on 15th Feb 1942

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1866016731644174808

[frozen kestrel]

Just found this photo of Prinz Eugen in a document and... it's for lack of better terms, fucking haunting.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1865823893790814248

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1943, the U.S. Navy unleashed one of the heaviest single salvos in the history of naval warfare. The battleships Alabama, Indiana, Massachusetts, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Washington simultaneously fired their combined 54 16" guns while bombarding Nauru.

Twitter · Dec 8, 2024, 6:20 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1865935170752143806

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, the "Murderers' Row" of Third Fleet aircraft carriers were at anchor in Ulithi Atoll. From front to back: USS Wasp (CV-18), USS Yorktown (CV-10), USS Hornet (CV-12), USS Hancock (CV-19) and USS Ticonderoga (CV-14).

Twitter · Dec 9, 2024, 1:43 AM

[wooden sentinel]

1944 leyte gulf yamato

[burnt scarab]

Oh, the famous sea battle retpu69. That battle of San Benerdino straits. I remember that episode on Dogfights

[timber linden]

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/fe88b5e18c6443c7afaf6e32f8432687

Complete map with data of all ships sunk during world War ii

[somber knoll]

Meh I just want the Yamato x Iowa Duel

[spring briar]

No

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s_DZ7kv37Y

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/Australian_Navy/status/1866275089894801684

[wooden sentinel]

1945 yamato

[timber linden]

Yamato today

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1866643844915425324

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1941, a PBY Catalina scored the U.S. Navy's first credited air-to-air kill of WWII when the bow gunner shot down one of three Mitsubishi Zeros that were attacking the flying boat during a Japanese raid on the Cavite Navy Yard in the Philippines.

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 12:39 AM

[sleek folio]

love my Spanish ship, I wonder what it's fate was

oh

it had a really interesting design ngl, I now don't remember if anyone else did something like this, I do remember some German ww1 ships also having something like this but not sure now

I can translate what the small text says if anyone is interested BTW, just ask

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, I don't need translation, I can't read Spanish but I can guess what the spec are

[sleek folio]

yeah it's the length, tones, speed respectively

and the one under that is the armament

[autumn sorrel]

PIT, running out of Italian design?

[sleek folio]

weapons

[sleek folio]

there's tones of them to explore I just like Spanish ships too and the España class is curious since they are the only battleships we ever had

3 of them

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, it does take alot to earn the moniker of the worst class of Dreadnought,

Mostly due to budget constraint and limited dockyard.

[sleek folio]

welp it is what it is

[autumn sorrel]

Their service are a bit lackluster

[sleek folio]

yeah

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1866897080095998269

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1941, the destroyers Hayate and Kisaragi became the first Japanese surface warships to be sunk following Pearl Harbor. Hayate exploded after being hit by Marine 5" coast-defense guns while Kisaragi was sunk by Marine F4F-3 Wildcats during the Battle of Wake Island.

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 5:25 PM

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJTAtwJPlw&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D
One of my favorite tank battles

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYqlqRRPhg&pp=ygUmY29udm95IHdhciBmb3IgdGhlIGF0bGFudGljIGRlYXRoIGJsb3c%3D
Favorite episode

[wooden sentinel]

1945 yahagi

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1867348183233228969

[woeful hull]

Name of the ship?

[sleek folio]

España

[woeful hull]

Thanks

[runic ermine]

I think it's odd how few people talk about how there was a communist insurgency in Canada in the 1960s and 70s

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/its-for-your-safety-gif-21147949

They did elect Castro son a PM

[wooden sentinel]

bismarck sunk

[burnt scarab]

It must have been taken on one of the British Battleships retpu. Must be somewhere in April or May 1941

[maiden stirrup]

Most of us didn't. 😂

[timber linden]

Just like how the states ended up with old joe

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

Naval community finding most pixelated image possible

[timber linden]

I can do better

[frozen kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-jpeg-do-i-look-like-i-know-what-a-jpeg-is-distort-koth-gif-27539179

[wintry moat]

I can hear this

[frozen kestrel]

I can too, and the audio quality gets worse as it goes on

[wintry moat]

Yes

[wooden sentinel]

leyte gulf musashi

[remote monolith]

Australoid Race
The Australoid race is a human race that inhabits the southern part of
India, Sri Lanka, several groups in Southeast Asia, Papua, the Melanesian islands and Australia with characteristics including having black curly hair, black skin and inhabiting many parts of southern India, Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia, Papua, the Melanesian Islands and Australia. The names of their tribes are
Aborigin, Veddah and Negrito

Mongoloid Race
This race is spread in East Asia, Tanggara, Central, Ura and Northeast Asia even to North and South America. The characteristics of the Mongoloid race are:
• have straight black hair
• narrow eyelids
• have brownish eyeballs
• have little body hair
• have a small body
• have white skin tending to yellow and brown
• relatively flat face shape
• have a flat nose

Negroid race
The Negroid race is a human race that mostly inhabits the African continent and its descendants inhabit North America, South America, Europe, and the Middle East.
The characteristics of the Negroid race are:
• Having black skin.
• Curly and coarse hair.
• Wide and round nasal cavity.
• No nasal dam or nasal nasal.
• Prominent face in the jaw and mouth (prognathism)
• Square or rectangular eye orbit shape.
• Having large and strong teeth.
• Thick lips

Caucasian Race
The Caucasian race is a human race that is thought to originate from the Caucasus Mountains in Europe and inhabits many parts of Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan, and North India.
The characteristics of the Caucasian race are:
Having white skin and the least dermis of any other race (except in India)
Aquiline nose.
Having brown to blonde hair.
Having a small mouth.
Facial angle between 100° to 90°
Having an oval and turquoise face.
Straight eyelids

Indonesian Tenth Grade History textbook materia;

fucking

race theory

bravo

[spring briar]

[mental tapir]

man

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

[flint mesa]

Fritz Rumey, Golden Military Merit Cross was a German fighter pilot in the First World War, credited with 45 victories. He was one of only five German soldiers who won both of the highest German awards for valor, the Military Merit Cross and the Pour le Mérite.

Hermann Göring's colleague once

[velvet flume]

Thsnk you! Have you found anything about Doisburg?

[flint mesa]

I think she is "Duisburg"? I didn't find anything about doisburg

[velvet flume]

Hmmm

Some say its M Class

[flint mesa]

maybe

we don't have much info really

[tacit sable]

I'm thinking about Motorkreuzer 1938, but maybe I'm wrong? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flint mesa]

idk, It is diffcult to find the answer with current info

I can barely conform whether fritz r AII or AIV untill offical info

[oak ice]

Was this new UR KMS fritz lemay real?

[flint mesa]

she do have a blueprint

[oak forge]

Why don't they release Iowa? Isn't that ship famous enough? And if they do, which version of the ship will be released then? Classic or modernization version with Phalanx and Tomahawk, if they do shit will be op

[flint mesa]

AL have kind of first ship bias

they will always publish the first ship at the end

yamato, lowa, etc.

[oak forge]

Oh, now that answers my question. When I first played this game, Like: it had been 6 years old, so where is Yamato?

I guess I would not want to see that because if they do, that means this game is about to close, and Manjuu just wants our money for the last time.

[spring briar]

no

she just exists as a plan for a carrier used in raiding

[slender plover]

Yes, it's Duisburg (City in West Germany, sandwiched betwen Ruhr Valley and Rhineland)

[mellow swan]

how are people unearthing literal schematics for stuff that never got built?

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, she is real?

[autumn sorrel]

Plan Z docu or WoWs forum

[austere crest]

How many times must I visit intrepid

is she a magnet to me

[remote monolith]

napkinwaffe

aka some bloke on the internet make shit up based on some incredibly unfinished vague built plans

[lime scarab]

So was she panned to be a battleship but they could convert her to an aircraft carrier instead

[spring briar]

no

she was planned to be an aircraft carrier with a single quad 8 inch gun

[lime scarab]

Wouldn’t it make sense for there to be a BBV then?

[spring briar]

no because it's closer to a CV

a BBV is closer to a BB

a BBV is a battleship with a small flight deck

a CVB/CVA is a carrier with a battleship/cruiser gun

[lime scarab]

Ok my next question is why did they wanted to put a turret on an aircraft carrier?

[spring briar]

to engage surface targets

[lime scarab]

The germanys have really wired ship designs don’t they

[spring briar]

France also has carriers with single turrets on them

[flint mesa]

Yep they do

[spring briar]

funnily enough

and the USN does too

everyone was doing weird stuff in the interwar

[flint mesa]

I believe British have one also

[spring briar]

for example these are the french ones

with a quad 330mm turret

: )

[lime scarab]

What were the wired American designs then?

[spring briar]

with 6" guns

[lime scarab]

Was the even possible

[spring briar]

yes ofc

[lime scarab]

Do we consider keresage as also a wired desing for America even though Russia help contribut too it?

[spring briar]

other way around

Kearsarge was designed by america for the soviets

[lime scarab]

Even though they barely use it and that’s why it’s American

[spring briar]

they didn't use it
it was never built

[flint mesa]

Even Soviet think keresage is ridiculous lol

[lime scarab]

Then why did they request a desing like that in the first place

[runic ermine]

Reminder that Stalin ordered 15 battleships and none were completed

[lime scarab]

Because of the war and not enough supplies correct

[runic ermine]

Also it's 15 battleships. Do you know how much that costs in manpower and steel?

[lime scarab]

A lot probably

[runic ermine]

Exactly

[flint mesa]

Nah, even if they do finish Soviet class battleship, it’s still a terrible thing

[lime scarab]

Weren’t they using the steel to make more tanks around that time since they were fighting the Germans

[runic ermine]

Wikipedia is very unreliable but I remember the article on the Soyuz class talked about some design flaws

[runic ermine]

5 of them were being built before 1941. Somebody had to tell Stalin how unrealistic building 15 battleships is

[flint mesa]

After German take control of the Soviet’s dock,Italian send engineers to check the conditions of Soviet class battleship

[lime scarab]

Didn’t they stop beholding them after the invasion though

[runic ermine]

They were all stricken on September 10th 1941

[flint mesa]

And they just list tons of problems on soviet battleship, from materials to the structure itself

I believe they mention that Soviet use concrete to build the ship or fix it

[flint mesa]

there we go

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/gotg-what-chris-pratt-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-11287925

[spring briar]

Hi maka

[maiden citrus]

hellows

[oak ice]

They were just testing many things, also since battleship era was closing guess they were trying to figure out if traces of it can still be used. But dunno I imagine most of these things were failed or didnt work as intended since a CV should never get in a situation which needs it to engage in close quarters in the first place

[spring briar]

The age of battleships was long from over when these designs were drawn up

[austere crest]

I have a job that requires me to work with one of these

LM-13 one of the few lunar modules that still exist

And yes this is real hardware

Also we have Essex

[ornate wind]

The USN actually fielded two fairly successful aircraft carriers which each carried eight 8” guns. That was essentially an entire treaty era heavy cruiser’s main armament

The British tried mounting a single 18” gun on their early carriers too

[grave ravine]

First in the early 30s and again at the end of the 30s the USN did a series of designs for so called flight deck cruisers

[flint mesa]

Let me guest, Lex and sara?

[grave ravine]

Cruiser caliber guns were common on early carriers, as it wasn't until the jump in aircraft capabilities at the end of the 30s that you could be fairly confident in your ability to avoid enemy surface forces

Akagi and Kaga also had 8" guns, HMS Eagle had 6" guns, Hermes 5.5" guns, Bearn 6" guns etc etc

[grave ravine]

as for the flight deck cruisers, the early 30s designs were envisioned as being proper 10000t cruisers with their combat capabilities being augmented by strike aircraft, as well as being a way to get more distributed flight decks in with treaty restrictions, while the late 30s designs were intended to be scout carriers with some ability to fight surface actions with other scouting forces

A couple of the early 30s designs from Friedman

and here are the late 30s designs from Spring Styles

And a comparison of characteristics from Friedman

@lime scarab

[lime scarab]

Yes

[eternal veldt]

Bearn had torpedo tubes too. Surface ones at that. Most nations arent confident in air power until later.

Oddly enough, the incident with Glorious seemed to spur/coincide with nations to briefly reconsider their carriers to be armed to the teeth again, with W102 (Later G13 - Taihou) calling for 155mm guns and Midway for 8" guns again. None would make it off the drawing board, but it was, fwiw, briefly considered.

As for the hybrid ship, almost all nations tried investigating it - the idea of a ship being able to carry out two roles is enticing, but often times suboptimally while costing more. Some like Scheme F of the North Carolinas are made due to insistence of leaders (Roosevelt/Hitler), while others are feasibility studies. Gibbs and Cox's 1058.1, so far, however, seems to be just Gibb's obsession with perfection since he never designed a battleship up to that point.

So much so the US navy literally sent a letter indicating "pls don't send us this shit thx"

[grave ravine]

The early 30s USN cruiser-carrier designs came from the Navy, but the concept was really largely just the brainchild of Moffett and Pratt, and after Moffett died and Pratt's tenure as CNO ended the concept largely died except for its brief resurrection in the late 30s

[light dagger]

What is this

[frozen kestrel]

Question: So, I'm going to model Roon eventually, and since I'm gonna have to use her WoWs model as a reference, does she use the A hull or B hull for her appearance in Azur Lane?
(Top is Hull A, bottom is Hull B)

They're basically the same, except Hull B has a changed anti-aircraft suite

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy9SnYh4238

[remote monolith]

Because stugs were partially hurried modifications done to fill up the growing gaps in tank production by reusing older production lines

Which the Allies didn't really need or benefit from since they have all the tanks they needed

[austere crest]

This is YF-14 #3 the oldest tomcat ever put on display

BuNo. 157982,

It’s first flight was in 1971 and it’s last was in 1990 and it’s been on display since 1995.

She was the third tomcat ever made on the production line

Number 3 sits with an A-6 intruder, a Boeing 707, an A-10

In retirement, number 3 sits on display showing the hard but glorious life style of a prototype aircraft

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1869128810924576779

[austere crest]

This is a representation of what’s coming up next in history

1968

Apollo 8

[light dagger]

https://youtu.be/CIZ6PFYUM5o?si=y91S-jDhWO3-zbiD

[junior trench]

a fequently lambasted video that people utterly miss the point of, not helped by lazerpig's presentation style

[remote monolith]

damn fake cyrillic

immediately discounted

[austere crest]

Not again

[junior trench]

cough

[manic latch]

Same guy who called Challenger 2 a T-64 btw

[austere crest]

Now for something completely different

USS intrepid’s history at NASA

She rescued two capsules.

One was aurora 7 which rode on an atlas and splashed down WAY off target which required her to go at flanking speed just to recover it.

Another was Gemini 3. It too landed off course mainly the scientists screwed up on the landing zone because they forgot to put the rotation of the earth in the equation. This time it’s less stressful than aurora 7.

Now finally after her retirement, her nasa service wasn’t done

She had to carry the space shuttle enterprise on her back

It turns out intrepid is a spacecraft magnet

Just like she’s a magnet for me

[frozen kestrel]

Odd question, but I'm working on a render with Warspite and Z12 in it and I grabbed their models (Warspite's from WoWs, and Z12's from WT). Problem is, when I import them into Blender, Warspite's model is tiny as shit, and Z12's is fucking massive. So I selected all the parts and scaled down Z12 so she could be properly scaled alongside Warspite.

I just kinda eyeballed it, but does this seem correct, or do I need to fix their sizes?

[junior trench]

WoWS scales their ships weird

[narrow rover]

💀

Not this guy

[junior trench]

.

[manic latch]

Chief

Wows models are like x2 smaller than WT models

I would wait for WT warspite

[zealous vine]

How would certain cold war projects and concepts, mostly tanks, be more effective with today's tech?

(HSTV-L, LOSAT, CLG guns, etc)

[junior trench]

LOSAT turned into CKEM in the 2000s

CLG has been testing for eternity, so we kinda know, and it's just not really going anywhere

and HSTV-L was a testbed

[shrewd pecan]

hstv-l and its 75 MM would likely be inadequate for modern armored threats

it showed there was plenty of growth room for performance on the 105 for its time though

[shrewd pecan]

the 90 MM variant would of likely faired a bit better but still the same issue of tryna get sufficient performance out of a 75 MM or 90 MM to defeat modern tank threats

[grave ravine]

And testing found that there really wasn't that much gain from reducing reload to 1s in practice, due to the time needed to acquire and engage targets

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah, and for Gaijin to take like, seven years to add her into the game.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1869489032000131247

[mental tapir]

All hail the P&W R-2800 Double Wasp

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3ldmbaug36d2x

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1944, Typhoon Cobra AKA "Halsey's Typhoon" took a heavy toll on the Third Fleet by sinking three destroyers and damaging two dozen other ships. 146 planes were lost including seven from USS Cowpens, seen here rolling in the storm.

Bluesky · Dec 18, 2024, 9:07 PM

[frozen kestrel]

Grabbed Barham's WT model, since I realized I could just scale Warspite up to Barham's size

[flint mesa]

holy cow

the mighty moo in a bad shape

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrtemKK_nl4

[wooden sentinel]

tirpitz

[narrow rover]

Because why not build the 109

[timber linden]

They had nothing better

[light dagger]

Take it

[wooden sentinel]

nooooo

[timber linden]

Tirpitz today

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: How close to visually identical are England's G-class destroyers compared to F-class destroyers? Because I can't find a single model for an F-class in War Thunder or World of Warships, and there's only like ONE model for an F-class destroyer outside of those games.

And it is genuinely driving me to fucking insanity

[burnt scarab]

You could do a Google Image look Wheatley

[loud comet]

anyone know what the name/type of the sword in azur lane zara art?

[mental tapir]

Why the wacky crop shape

[tacit sage]

It seems like some type of rapier. Doing a quick Google search though, it seems to be inspired by the Italian Officer's Sword.

[oak ice]

Btw who's namesake did fritz rumey get?

[subtle prawn]

A German WWI pilot

[echo onyx]

finished reading this

now I'm moving over here

[spring briar]

nahhh

[echo onyx]

[timber linden]

Last, yes. Great... no

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/CmiPSrCWdjg?si=3VaX3jrNXMfC1swi

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1870543529002291314

[echo onyx]

believe it was reffering to size

besides that she still had a bit of a psychlogical effect

[echo onyx]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj30zk1jnmno

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1870719481514766607

[light dagger]

https://youtu.be/9T3rvxlz03U?si=y-cM-su8GYzUAcDx

[echo onyx]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=smV3EHmGEdA

[fresh dew]

This is the furthest the Germans ever seem to have got with plan Z. It is the incomplete hull of one of the H39 class ships (aka Frederick der Grob/Ulrich von Hutten). Construction was stopped soon after as it was decided to finish the ship when the war ended (which seems a bit pointless to me).
I wonder if things would have been much different if Germany had waited another couple of years before going to war 🤔

[echo onyx]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_9qUTFky6nA

[echo onyx]

ah the same question..again

do expect the royal navy to sit on its ass

[strong mountain]

That was the plan. Z-plan was planned for completion the earliest for late 1940s.
And no it wouldnt have changed Things

[echo onyx]

maybe the French navy would have political/budget issues but the Royal Navy wouldn't take this lightly

[strong mountain]

Also there was definitlly more then one war planned.

[strong mountain]

Prolly would have finished an entire class of kgv sucessors + vanguard and Potential Sisters.
Not even mentioning fleet carriers

That against at best 2 H class at best with like a 8 406 gun broadside

Not to mention the US who would likley be pushing out Montana Class BBs and Midway Class Aircraft Carriers, in comparison the kriegsmarine would be lucky to even have planes for their flattops

[spring briar]

not really, we were preparing the dry dock meant for Painlevé to vacate to start building Alsace

[remote monolith]

They didn't have another couple of years

Germany was heading into bankruptcy into 1939

The economy was spiraling into destruction and they only averted total collapse by going to war and looting their neighbors to pay all the MEFO bills the issued

Plus in any event German steel industry was insufficient to fulfill the needs of the Heer, much less the ambitious projects Raeder demanded

[fresh dew]

https://youtu.be/R89zNg3WYko?si=c_64fPVfYF4c9ZJE

[fresh dew]

Well I for one certainly enjoy a bit of speculation

Sorry, wasn't aware this topic has been raised that often 😁

[little mica]

Did u read the article?

[echo onyx]

yes, on another website

[little mica]

It was Turkish wasn't it or could it be..?

[echo onyx]

clearly states friendly fire

[little mica]

Yeah but which ally?

[echo onyx]

USS Gettsyburg shot at its own plane

[little mica]

Oh ok

[desert agate]

Plan Z battleships if any of them were built or completed:

[wooden sentinel]

iowa class blueprint

[slender plover]

Wasn't Midway a real Carrier and woud be soon or another release somewhere in the far Future (which is a highly a UR Cv candidate for Eagle Union)

[echo onyx]

she is a real carrier

still alive

[strong mountain]

Very much real

A proper fleet carrier
Vs
The grafs who at best are interwar level carriers with no experience behind them

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS2p1eUeuAs

[strong mountain]

L

[manic latch]

That's why I hate Yorktown II

Laziest UR ever

They could have added UR as Midway class but nope we have to cope paste existing character into a new hull can call it a new class and somehow that deserves UR

Yorktown II delayed Midway for years because of it

Tho still impressive this new German Hybrid is UR while Kearsarge is not

[slender plover]

All the type II are lazy.
I understand you fully,

[desert agate]

you're being awfully generous to the Germans with that assessment

and awfully conservative to the Americans

[sullen canyon]

Isn't Kearsarge a DR in the game since they decided to make her as a BBV instead of her real life CV counterpart?

[manic latch]

Pfft

Kearsarge PR design has 0 relation with Essex class Kearsarge

[sullen canyon]

[manic latch]

It was a hybrid design for Soviets

[sullen canyon]

Which ruined a good chance for Essex to have another sister ship in the game there

[manic latch]

At least she is DR tho yes

But since she was a real design, she didn't need to be PR

[sullen canyon]

The same could be said about Halford here since she was a real Fletcher Class ship

[grave ravine]

the pr ship is the actual fletcher class boat

they just added it as a PR ship and gave it WeeGee's fictional F8Fs

but Halford was actually a Fletcher with floatplanes, even saw some combat with the floatplanes

[wooden sentinel]

leyte gulf musashi

[junior arch]

nice art

[tacit sage]

https://worldofwarships.eu/tr/news/history/naval-history-kearsarge/
No, that's not what our Kearsarge is at all.

She actually was a BBV blueprint in real life.

[sullen canyon]

Okay but they took the Essex Kearsarge name though

[tacit sage]

You mean like Enterprise took the name from the sailing ship?

It's a very common practice to reuse ship names

And, it's not like that disqualifies the other Kearsarge, we have ships in the game that share the same names.

[maiden citrus]

Kearsarge is my favorite WW2 crane ship

[subtle prawn]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/ondisasters.bsky.social/post/3le2heshges2t

[wooden sentinel]

real photo

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3le2z6zlfs325

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

Santa Claus aboard USS Coral Sea (CVA-43) in 1971.

Bluesky · Dec 24, 2024, 5:53 PM

[junior trench]

Totally different in that sailing ship Enterprise was long gone while there's an actual ship afloat from the same timeframe, from the same country of origin, with the same name

[tacit sage]

Like Yorktown?

[junior trench]

you are aware that Yorktown and Essex Yorktown didn't exist in commission at the same time, right?

[tacit sage]

Yes, but it's still the time frame

[junior trench]

Essex Kearsage and DR Kearsage would have both existed in commission at the same times

Yorktown and Essex Yorktown have no commissioned overlap

it's not complicated

[tacit sage]

What does that have to do with Essex Class Kearsarge appearing in AL?

Because that's what the original comment was about

[junior trench]

reading comprehension or something, idk, and stop pinging me, I'm right here

[tacit sage]

Wdym reading comprehension?

[tacit sage]

"stop pinging"

Proceeds to not notice the message because he wasn't pinged

[spring briar]

Nah they just ignored ya

[tacit sage]

Oh well then.

[spring briar]

Light cruiser Gloire

[desert agate]

she*

[alpine onyx]

That's 2 whole kilobytes of pixels

[narrow rover]

The funny anti mine armor under the hull

Dunno what Hiraga was thinking
But then again
I don't think even he knew what he was thinking

[eternal veldt]

When you consider that a fresh new battleship was indeed lost because of a mine strike, it suddenly becomes very reasonable to do so.

[autumn sorrel]

"No T-series tank allowed"

[frozen kestrel]

I got a fucking sword for Christmas. It's a US M1852.

[spring briar]

??!!!

Cool

[runic ermine]

That's awesome

[tacit sage]

Ok

[flint mesa]

hell that's awesome

[narrow rover]

1920s German airship design, on paper designed to... get this, fly at 15,000 meters

Also almost 400 meters long but that's another question

[tacit sage]

Guess who'll be at the USS New Jersey in a few minutes.

I'll share a few pictures like I did when I visited the Yorktown

[spring briar]

take some pictures of the projectiles

[austere crest]

Welcome to the club

[tacit sage]

I got a whole load of pictures inside. I'll share a few later, I just took a detour to get cell service back.

Just to share right now, the Yamato-Class shells

[spring briar]

why did they color it blue

bruuh

[tacit sage]

Inside the Main Gun, from earlier 👇

Back down into the ship I go

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3le7xyjysuk27

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#RIP Pearl Harbor survivor Warren "Red" Upton who passed away on Christmas Day at the age of 105. Upton was a radioman aboard USS Utah when the battleship was hit by two torpedoes on 7 Dec 1941. As the Utah began to roll over, he abandoned ship and swam to shore, towing a shipmate who couldn’t swim.

Bluesky · Dec 26, 2024, 5:15 PM

[tacit sage]

Harpoons

Broadway

Unfortunately, it seemed like the TV Room was under renovation right now. So, no pics from there.

Grabbed some things from the gift shop. I was hoping for a little more variety in their offerings though.

[tacit sage]

NJ Retrofit when

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hell-is-that-gif-27667584

[tacit sage]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[timber linden]

New doesn't mean good, new usually means that it is a cheap imitation

[tacit sage]

"But there's no rule stating an imitation cannot defeat the original"

[timber linden]

......cheap means it wont last as long. everything now a days is designed to fail to be replaced

[austere crest]

Color coded

[austere crest]

Not only that

HYBRIDS

IOWA-MONTANA

[tacit sage]

How is this gonna translate into the game? Is it gonna be like Two-Face, but a ship girl?

[austere crest]

No it’s a normal face

However the rig is different instead of three turrets on the rig, it’s 4 turrets and a crap ton of AA and some improvements in radar and firepower.

Although it still has the weaknesses of a Montana in terms of speed and weight

[peak mango]

Tomahawks, I think.

1000nm (tomahawk) range vs 100 (harpoon)

[peak mango]

See Kearsage

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/g0mekeRbamE?si=hkULX-QVIOgoZhcY

[tacit sage]

Actually, is there a ship based on this in WoWS?

[austere crest]

Don’t know

[tacit sage]

Maybe? One of the signs nearby said Harpoons

So, idk

[sullen canyon]

Make NJ into a BBV

[winged zenith]

Got this shirt from the Iowa ship store

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/k9fNU-Mhd04?si=O8NJZurWhf8zap3u

[narrow rover]

"Tonight on the Pacific, the Germans and Japanese play battleship swap... someone made an even more explosive cruiser... and forget struggle foods, we having struggle carriers"

[spring briar]

is that a DD converted to a CV

[narrow rover]

Yes

And it's a bad idea

[pale cloud]

AN602 "Vanya" seen from 800km away

and operation speedlight bravo

[tacit sage]

Tbh, Bismarck is arguably a better ship here

[eternal veldt]

Here we go, where is the "Bismarck is shit" bingo

[tacit sage]

I mean, more so that Carriers are unfortunately just better.

[eternal veldt]

Hybrids don't really work well unfortunately

Expensive, for a ship that can perform neither aviation nor battleship duties well

There's also that fat fucker called Göring in the way

[pale cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXD_fzrcE20 full documentary of the 3 rising suns in japan

[burnt scarab]

Thank you Hermit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_Heroes_(film)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZSUdVn5QvI&pp=ygUPSmFwYW4gcG9zdCBhcm15

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWPO_5m8aw&pp=ygUQV2VhcG9ub2xvZ3kgbWc0Mg%3D%3D

[wooden sentinel]

1945 ise

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ITTav0Us4

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/tz9HhLSxt8c?si=EiYy2Kdi1rgm-Ivh

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lehyo2zfug2g

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#RIP Jimmy Carter who passed away today at the age of 100. Carter is the only President of the United States to have graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) is named in his honor.

Likes

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Bluesky · Dec 29, 2024, 9:48 PM

[timber linden]

Didn't even name a carrier after him....

Good man, horrible president

[subtle prawn]

The submarine named after him is impressive, all things considered

[floral mica]

True

[subtle prawn]

Besides, it's more fitting for a sub to be named after him since he was a submariner after all

[floral mica]

True x2

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/12/29/jimmy-carter-39th-u-s-president-and-submariner-dies-at-100

[little mica]

What's wrong with submarines?

[subtle prawn]

Not that impressive compared to a carrier I'm guessing

[sullen canyon]

Well he was a great man after his Presidency since it made him focus on causes that he believes in that would benefit the people.

[little mica]

Wait why after?

[sullen canyon]

Because people didn't really like him during his Presidency all that much at the time

[little mica]

He was a one termer right?

[subtle prawn]

Yes

[sullen canyon]

I think his term was when the Iranian Hostage Situation happened too

[little mica]

Yeah I think that was what made him infamous

[mental tapir]

Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan happened during his term too

Iirc

[timber linden]

Economy going to hell also

Weak forgien policy, weak domestic, plus having a younger brother like he didn't help

[little mica]

What about his younger brother?

[remote monolith]

Billy Carter was a bit of a nutjob

He likes to do really weird shit in public

[little mica]

What kind of weird shit?

[narrow rover]

I kinda wish the US stopped that tradition because the last few ones especially are going to be political nightmares

[chilly osprey]

Well, you don't get a carrier named after you just for being president

Most likely no U.S. president since Bush Sr. is getting a carrier named after them.

You have to have served in the navy or have done something very impactful for the navy to get a carrier named after you.

[mental tapir]

They should bring back names of previous notable battles

USS Praying Mantis when

[narrow rover]

Yea, almost certainly no USS Biden

[narrow rover]

Or operations. USS Overlord would be cool

[remote monolith]

peeing in full public view, for one

he's also a raging alcoholic and may have swindled Lybia out of 2 million dollars

[little mica]

What did he promise the Libyans? Is his younger brother still alive?

[remote monolith]

something about the Libyan government paying him to lobby the American government for some transport planes to deliver oils with

which Billy never delivered upon

[timber linden]

Well they don't name things after stewards.

Maybe they could name a toliet on a tugboat

After old joe

[little mica]

Is this Libyan government when Gadafi took over?

[tacit sage]

The gunboat Philadelphia, at the Smithsonian Museum of American History

Literally as old as the United States

[flint mesa]

SkyRaider Armament：
20mm cannon
unguided rocket
mine dispensers
Biden bomb（new！）

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[mental tapir]

Skyraider skibidi

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/MilHistNow/status/1874093162219921689?s=19

Military History Now (@MilHistNow) on X

On this day in 1775, 1,200 Continental troops are defeated by a force of local militia and British regulars at the Battle of Quebec. The loss foils the American plan to seize the province and incite the French population there to join in the rebellion against Great Britain.

Twitter · Dec 31, 2024, 2:00 PM

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1874198878750482610

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsGCKO3FIg&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A34iQr1DyV8&pp=ygUVQmF0dGxlZmllbGQgd2VzdCB3YWxs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y074_mT7ECU&pp=ygUVQmF0dGxlZmllbGQgd2VzdCB3YWxs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tFeqF-ijdI&pp=ygUSZG9nZmlnaHRzIGJpc21hcmNr

[wooden sentinel]

I-14 1945 tokyo bay

[open frigate]

Is this historically accurate equipment or is there room for improvement

[frozen kestrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-mzOsoYnYnQmaB9dN3RhaWO-SPgnFLKcHxYKPKIPIzw/edit?pli=1&gid=1282601078#gid=1282601078

[open frigate]

Thank you so much and godspeed to whoever made this document

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FtgCrEAIJv0&pp=ygUKTTQgU2hlcm1hbg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KbirZc0K4
Favorite Anti-Tank gun

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQyP77Bdi0E
Favorite Bomber

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C1pJkEAsmEM

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lepy4pbnbc2x

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#RIP Pearl Harbor survivor Harry Chandler who passed away on Monday at the age of 103. Chandler was serving as a hospital corpsman 3rd class when the Japanese attacked on 7 Dec 1941. He boarded a boat and helped pull oil-covered sailors from the water.

Bluesky · Jan 2, 2025, 2:00 AM

[open frigate]

https://youtu.be/gSGENRyuXhc?si=TbOXH9d2bgYXu9TA

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/UXYcRdw-xA8?si=ncda_n_cJnm1af2w

[young narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-gif-27020855

So how old are these ships

[flint mesa]

80+ I would say

[opal jetty]

bro doesn't know how old world war 2 is

[runic ermine]

This year is the 80th anniversary of VE and VJ day so yeah

And warspite is even older cuz she was from ww1

[manic latch]

There should be an app named Google Chrome or safari on your computer or mobile phone

Click on it 2 times, and a tab will appear

Write the search bar names of the ships you want to learn the launch or commission dates of

Then press enter

[little mica]

Or u know u could just text the date cuz u luv to consult professor Google so much

[little mica]

What's VJ and VE day?

[manic latch]

@little mica

[runic ermine]

Victory in Europe Day and Victory over Japan Day

[manic latch]

Type the search bar what's Victory over Japan and Victory in Europe is

[manic latch]

Now he will ask what are those

[little mica]

Oh ok

[little mica]

What u trying to be Joseph joestar?

[peak mango]

For 'struggle carriers' I mean there's always the US CVEs ... basically converted oilers and tankers

[junior trench]

... which are almost 4 times larger than that absurd Amatsukaze conversion

[eternal veldt]

Destroyers are far too useful on the inventory for conversion for little benefit - rat transportations, convoy escort (even if its too late), AA duty, generally multipurpose ship

Japan is already pretty far down the "desperate" section and most capital ships that are second-rate or under construction had aviation capability glued to it one way or another, unless the ship has a clear irreplaceable role in the fleet

Slight issue of all your brand new aviators dying in June 1944, but it'll buff out, right?

Absence of heavy AA on Amatsukaze as well, not great for deterring determined attackers

[upbeat cedar]

this info its very valuable to me

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3leuunfllza26

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

Commissioned in 1941, USS North Carolina (BB-55) could fire twelve tons of steel in one salvo, which was six times the payload of a long-range bomber at the time. The battleship also could reload and fire again without having to return to base.
#FunFactFriday

Bluesky · Jan 4, 2025, 12:41 AM

[sly socket]

My apologies for the lack of response— but there are some areas to see under the flight deck. While likely not as expansive as Midway’s, Intrepid still has some public facilities such as a sailors’ mess hall, officers’ mess halls, machine shop, kitchen space, and more bunks if I remember correctly. If you want, I can send some images from my last visit to her! :D

[maiden stirrup]

I'll have to get there one day. NYC is within driving distance, so I could make a long weekend trip out of it.

[sly socket]

Are you an NYC resident?

Wait no that’s a stupid question lmao

[sly socket]

Alr, alr, bet

[maiden stirrup]

Nah, up in Canada. Door to door is just under 7 hours.

[sly socket]

J'vois

[opal jetty]

...you literally asked how old world war 2 is in a server themed around world war 2

forgive people for getting a little silly with it lol

[young narwhal]

I know. I'm joking

[opal jetty]

ykw fair enough

apologeese

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2025/01/03/secnav-del-toro-names-destroyer-after-carrier-intrepid

[frozen kestrel]

let's go

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A34iQr1DyV8&pp=ygUcY3Jvc3NpbmcgdGhlIHJoaW5lIHJpdmVyIHd3Mg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axjn5-Twtr8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oBYFb088pKg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtmMrusiywI

[pale cloud]

mapping of speedlight bravo

kc-135 crew's depiction of what they saw ^

[tacit sage]

I wasn't sure, so I figured I'd ask: is Amagi (CV) in AL based on the Unryu-Class Amagi? Or is she rather based on the theoretical of the original Amagi getting changed to a Carrier like her sister?

[flint mesa]

Amagi (CV) is base on the hypothetical development, aka magic

in this hypothetical world, Amagi, instead of kaga, will change to a carrier with her sis agaki.

And she have full-length flight deck instead of three superimposed one, means that she also reconstructed like akagi and kaga

[flint mesa]

so she is basiclly akagi, but UR ver.

[tacit sage]

Oh ok. Because there was an actual CV called Amagi, so I wasn’t sure.

[flint mesa]

yeah I know, it's very confusing when IJN name a real cv Amagi, and AL just use a little magic to make a UR Amagi CV

[junior trench]

?

[flint mesa]

I was guesting Amagi will come back in Unryu class form, and I am wrong

[junior trench]

battlecruiser Amagi was slated for conversion to a CV, and with the failure to do that the name was recycled for use in a future class

what's so confusing about that

AL's bit of magic is having the conversion work go through

[flint mesa]

well, AL amagi CV got full-length flight deck, make it difficult to tell whether she is a akagi copy or smaller Hiryū from character

they really didn't put too much detail to show the difference

[junior trench]

does her art even have a flight deck

[flint mesa]

just like confusing whether fritz is AII or AIV

[junior trench]

[flint mesa]

she do, at the edge of Phoenix

[junior trench]

...

this is what you're trying to base the ID off of?

[flint mesa]

That is the only info I can know about these girls when they first come out

[wooden sentinel]

leyte gulf yamato

[tacit sage]

Uh, I don’t think so actually, that’s kind of weird

Man, why is her rigging like that? It almost looks like she has Cruiser rigging

[junior trench]

Have a look at the majority of recent art

It's kind of become a meme for the old cadre of players

[tacit sage]

Even Implacable has her Flight Deck turned into the ribbons

[junior trench]

There's barely any ship

[tacit sage]

But Amagi doesn’t even have one

[junior trench]

And what ship there is tends to be paper at the best of times

[tacit sage]

I just realized, Z52 looks more like a carrier than Amagi. It almost looks like 52 is running across a flight deck or something.

[narrow rover]

Oh yea the archive diggers found a 10 second footage of her actually fucking moving

A few months ago

[spring briar]

She’s AII

[versed tree]

Though her hull may be gone, my heart forever sails with the USS Washington—her legacy, her valor, and the memories of those who served aboard her will always remain in my soul.

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/Jason_R_Burt/status/1876373177854763199?s=19

J&L Historical (@Jason_R_Burt) on X

“A ship is always referred to as ‘she’ because it costs so much to keep her in paint and powder.”

-Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz ⚓️

Twitter · Jan 6, 2025, 9:00 PM

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-noooo-omg-omg-no-gif-12379681

[knotty ibex]

Cunard Line Commodore Sir James Bisset: "A ship is called she because she is sometimes difficult to handle -especially in confined spaces! If she's a sailing ship, she's a thing of beauty. She has a waist and a figured head, and ought to be well rigged, with graceful curves and lines. She has several comapnions, and is often attached to a b(u)oy! She has ribs and knees, earings, eyes, stays, bonnets, thimbels, and pins. She has a Mate to keep her in trim, but she needs a Master. Sailors love ships, and it's love that makes the world go around, so that's why a ship is called 'she' you see!"

[wooden sentinel]

1945 yamato

[narrow rover]

Probably the only warship in the IJN that served meals that feel like meals

[mental tapir]

That's Yamato Hotel for you

[flint mesa]

I just reallize IJN only got one class of battleship after naval treaty, means that the IJN battleship jumped from nagato...to yamato

meanwhile, US: SD or NC? maybe both

[runic ermine]

It also works for guns: "Your rifle is like a woman, if you treat her right she'll never let you down"

[wooden sentinel]

bismarck

[knotty ibex]

"I'm n0t @ Hot3l!!1!!11" - KC Yamato

[narrow rover]

They did have a bunch of "filler" ships they were too broke (+treaty) to build

[flint mesa]

yep

but they r the first one who broke the naval treaty

[narrow rover]

Well
All the way back in the triple intervention they were really annoyed they had to even follow rules to begin with so

[flint mesa]

[wooden sentinel]

1946 yukikaze

[echo onyx]

new addition to my stuff

[eternal veldt]

Mal Wright

Strongly not recommended. That person literally made stuff up for his British camouflage book, did not do any primary research, and was very dismissive to criticism when there were doubts raised to the authenticity.

I would recommend to use Wetherhorn's webpage instead.

[echo onyx]

spoke to a german who shares the same interests as me..yeha man dragged him through the mud

I looked up the sources..they are dog shit and I had higher expectations

I'm attemting to refund the book

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lfd7bkkqak2c

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1984, USS New Jersey (BB-62) fired salvos from her 16/50 guns at Syrian and Druze forces during a deployment off the coast of Beirut, Lebanon.

Bluesky · Jan 9, 2025, 5:28 PM

[open frigate]

I dont understad the equipment slots what do they stand for?

[junior trench]

just at a glance I can tell you that isn't historically accurate, to start off with

but otherwise each entry after the name is just a slot from left to right as in the game UI

[open frigate]

why whats wrong with em

[open frigate]

I ment the far right 'equipment' slots they dont seem to line up with the other equipment and ships

[spring briar]

Thats probably just an Eagle Union equipment list
To more easily pick and choose

[open frigate]

thank you

[nocturne snow]

Is there a Link to that? Would be really interesting for me

[open frigate]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-mzOsoYnYnQmaB9dN3RhaWO-SPgnFLKcHxYKPKIPIzw/edit?pli=1&gid=1567289598#gid=1567289598

here u go

[nocturne snow]

thank you

[oak forge]

So, um, if Kaga and Akagi were sister ships, what is Kaga's relationship with Tosa?

[eternal veldt]

They weren't sister ships - simple as that.

Akagi is member #2 of the Amagi-class battlecruisers. Kaga is #1 of the Kaga-class battleships, and Tosa is #2.

[oak forge]

Okay, and then somehow they both turn into aircraft carriers and get called as relatives. Sometimes the game lore just confuses me. Although I've read a little bit on Wikipedia.

[eternal veldt]

Both ships were designated for carrier conversion per the Washington Naval Treaty due to Amagi being a total constructive loss in the wake of the Great Kanto Earthquake - and both are assigned to Carrier Division 1.

Kaga was taken into for her first refit in 1934, followed by Akagi in 1935 - resulting in the two ships looking somewhat similar after the early but failed experiments with the "triple" flight deck arrangements.

[oak forge]

Ohh, alright, I get it. So both originated from a specific class of warship that isn't related to each other, but after some event, both of them were converted into aircraft carriers. I thought they were sister ships because, in some history documentaries or YouTube videos, they called them sister ships sometimes also in the game lore. But to be considered, could Tosa be the closest sister ship to Kaga?

[eternal veldt]

Tosa is precisely the (little) sister of Kaga.

[eternal veldt]

Calling Akagi and Kaga sister ships is just flat out wrong owing to their lineage - Akagi is capable of 30 knots due to her lineage as a BC; Kaga is only capable of 27 due to her BB lineage. In fact, the Kido Butai's maximum speed is handicapped precisely because of Kaga's slower speed compared to the ~30 knots on Akagi and the newer Cardiv 2. What she boasts, however, is a larger hangar than any other carrier within the fleet at that time.

[oak forge]

Alright, now I've got another question just pop up inside my head then. Who was the eldest sister of the Takao class? I believe that was Takao, but in-game, Atago sometimes acts like she was the eldest with that "big sister" voice line of hers. It also makes me question whether Maya or Choukai is the youngest of the Takao cruiser class.

[eternal veldt]

Takao, Atago, Maya, Choukai, in that order.

[oak forge]

Thanks, it helps untangle tangles a lot.

[runic ermine]

More like half sisters

[narrow rover]

Possibly the luckiest warship to ever leave port

[eternal veldt]

or just distinct from another besides serving in the same division.

[flint mesa]

even after the retrofit u can easily tell their difference

kaga and akagi have different funnel, and akagi got down side slope on her rear deck

https://youtu.be/RV54RmCWiwI?si=ZwXgyXR8eULo2GDB

[lyric kelp]

uss yorktown cv-5 and USS Hammann (DD-412) is the reason they are seen so much together in art is they both sank at midway or something

[wooden sentinel]

type 3 shell

[runic prairie]

Interesting idea, utterly useless in practice.

[flint mesa]

IJN focus on weird idea to Anti-air weapon instead of develop better fighter to save pilots' life

[runic prairie]

The efforts were largely independent, using different parts of industry so I don't think that's the right tradeoff being made.

The issue was more interservice rivalry and their general lack of flattops and trained pilots to use them.

Like you can get the best contemporary prop of the day (I'll let you fill that in) and your average 19 year old Japanese pilot and he's going to be slaughtered by Brad (IQ 70) in his Hellcat with three rising suns already painted on it.

Anyways Swept Wing F2H Banshee jumpscare

[cunning salmon]

Looks like a kid drew that

Especially the side view

[runic prairie]

Have you never seen a line drawing before?

[mental tapir]

The Imperial Japanese also generally struggled getting powerful aircraft engines in sufficient quantity and reliability

[mental tapir]

McDonnel F-101 Voodoo predecessor?

[open frigate]

F6F loses a HVAR while landing

[flint mesa]

that's dangerous

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5SrJ_4N4E

[runic prairie]

Sort of. It was a proposal by McDonell to use the wings and tail of the XF-88 Voodoo (which go figure was the predecessor of the F-101 Voodoo though a bit less than half the size and supersonic only in a dive) on the F2H-1/2 (I believe) given its smaller size and nose.

It would’ve been an interesting aircraft but the Banshee was notoriously expensive (about double a Panther) and iirc the Cougar was further along.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lejysDm005s

[manic latch]

Legal?

What's a illegal soldier

Ah it's poor choice of words, should be "allowing soldiers to express their sexual orientation"

[runic ermine]

Is this current or historical?

[subtle prawn]

It's something that happened 20+ years ago, so I felt like it was long enough ago to be history

[runic ermine]

Ok cuz people sometimes get in trouble for posting about current stuff

[manic latch]

Ironic

Usually you touch on the current stuff most

[flint mesa]

remind me the "gay bomb"

US weirdest weapon, neutralize enemy troops by making them GAY

[tacit sable]

The US is making them busy kissing each other

[echo onyx]

new addition to my stuff

[runic ermine]

Yeah I posted an image of a heavily modified MBT

I think it was an Abrams

[manic latch]

You don't even know what you post huh

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/crusaders-ave-maria-templars-deus-vult-gif-14798873

[clear mica]

If you like the crusades you should check out their shenanigans with Alexander Nevsky in Livonia

[frozen kestrel]

So, dumb little question, but is Ognevoy's turret upgrade in WoWs historically accurate? Or is it just some more of Wargaming's shenanigans?

[flint mesa]

quite not little actually, let me started with turret itself.

the origin B-2LM turrent is common in soviet destoryer, equip on Tashkent, Ognevoy (project 30) and Skory-class destroyer

The upgrade one, B-2-U, was planing to equip on project 35

and project 40 and 47 also, all of them r just on paper and never be built

project 35 is Udaloi in wows btw

on the other hand, guns r kinna weird

the only 130mm/55 gun I found is Б-7, which is made in 1913

but the origin one, 130/50 gun, r made in 1936

so wargaming put an old gun into a brand new turret, weird

[frozen kestrel]

I'm just trying to figure out what turrets she had during the Cold War. I'm just gonna use the War Thunder model anyways (looks better)

[flint mesa]

hope these will help u

download from a russian forum, they discuss about 30, 30К, 30-bis and 31 for 98 pages

[frozen kestrel]

Thanks

[flint mesa]

sorry that first pic is 30k, this one is the Ognevoy 1945 ver.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2025/01/13/statement-from-president-biden-announcing-the-names-of-cvn-82-and-cvn-83/

[runic ermine]

Cool

[tacit sage]

Weird

[open frigate]

When Bill Clinton is AL 💀

[sullen canyon]

Never, since that ship isn't from WWII

[tacit sage]

“I did not have sexual relations with that Siren”

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

Uss blow job

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-george-w-bush-dance-gif-4318840

[autumn sorrel]

This is on par with naming a drone carrier USS Obama

[subtle prawn]

Pretty sure that ship had more than just drones in that game, had regular fighters too iirc

[timber linden]

The uss big Mike

[mental tapir]

Cringe 😔
Bring back names like Independence and Constellation instead

[sullen canyon]

These are CVNs though

[subtle prawn]

The latter name will be used for the lead ship of a new class of frigates

Laid down already too

[runic prairie]

USN rolls worst names in history, asked to leave NATO.

Like HW Bush made sense, he was a naval aviator, W Bush was ANG (the enemy in blue).

Besides if we're going to name carriers after presidents why don't we at least get a little creative. Imagine getting a strike package from the USS Millard Fillmore.

[subtle prawn]

Politics is (probably) why the new carriers are named the way they are

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/display-pressreleases/Article/4027572/secnav-del-toro-names-future-virginia-class-submarines-ssn-814-ssn-815-and-ssn/

[runic prairie]

I know, doesn't make them any more inspired.

[desert agate]

Somewhat different kind of history for once

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Peter_Falconio

this murder inspired the movie Wolf Creek

Interestingly, Bradley Murdoch's (the murderer) brother, is a regular at my local sports club

just an interesting and rather unique personal connection I have with a historical event

[runic ermine]

That's wild

[wooden sentinel]

myoko class heavy cruiser blueprint

[wooden sentinel]

nagato class battleship blueprint

[alpine onyx]

To note that this blueprint shows a 120lbs (76mm) belt for the magazines and the foremost boiler room, disagreeing with pretty much every other widely accessible source

[zenith veldt]

Yo

Wsp chat

Do y'all know what this exploding ship is?

[runic prairie]

Slava Class Cruiser. Top Pair radar on the aft mast is a dead giveaway.

[narrow rover]

Look man it's better than that time the UK did a public opinion poll and rolled Boaty McBoatface

Imagine Ford-class carrier USS Bumsack O'chungus

[graceful marlin]

Y'all seen this? https://mapsterman.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/fe88b5e18c6443c7afaf6e32f8432687

It's an interactive map of all sunken ships of WW2

[timber linden]

Found the ijn

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/yC89TJHHCWg?si=Y6NDDmoym7iFTitV

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lfqskzseg227

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1969, an overheated Zuni rocket exploded on the deck of USS Enterprise, causing a major fire that killed 28 sailors and injured another 314. The cost to repair the damage and replace 15 destroyed aircraft was over $126 million (equivalent to over $1 billion in 2025).

Bluesky · Jan 15, 2025, 3:18 AM

[open frigate]

correct me if I am wrong but there are ships in game that didn't take part nor were built in WWII

[sullen canyon]

Yes those are Paper Ships

[open frigate]

centaur was launched in 1947

would it count as WWII ship or cold war ship

so maybe USS Bill Clinton in 30-50 years

[rapid junco]

Last WWII veteran of the 1st Brazilian Fighter squadron
Chief Mechanic João Rodrigues passes away at the age of 101

[grave ravine]

Centaur and Albion are a bit goofy since they were only launched in 1947 and completed in the 50s, but they were designed and laid down during WW2, and are iterations on a design that had actually been completed during the war, albeit none of them saw frontline service

very different from a ship that was designed this century and hasn't even started construction yet

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GIpJTMjIM

[timber linden]

Bluesky? The proud history of the american supercarriers blowing themselves up

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2025/01/15/secnav-del-toro-names-four-more-warships-at-sna-16-ships-named-this-month

[frozen kestrel]

So, I'm looking around on Ognevoy's WT model and I'm wondering what these are. I have the feeling the ones in the second image are depth charges, but what are the things in the first one?

[ornate wind]

Is this what the Chien Wu is based on?

[open frigate]

Twin 105mm AA (SK C/33 na), what does the na stand for?

[echo onyx]

I feel stupid for not knowing this

G4M was part of the Navy not the Army

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3Bn2QF8Nw

[runic ermine]

It's crazy how the IJAAR and IJNAS developed different planes

[frozen kestrel]

I think it might be this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cruiser_Number_68. Turrets have a definite German design to them, but not sure if that means anything.

[grave ravine]

It's not that unusual in the abstract for navies to develop their own aircraft, even land based ones, but there were a couple pretty egregious examples of the IJN developing planes that are really more of the IJAs province

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2025/01/16/secnav-names-first-medium-landing-ship-uss-mcclung

[austere crest]

History repeats

WHYYYYY

[sullen canyon]

At least no one was on board

[tacit sage]

What happened?

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/aJN5yhKs7r4?si=PVUQbMOfoVw9CYuU

[supple shore]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cruiser_Hai_Yung

holy shit, 1000 lives lost from the sink. yikes

[tacit sable]

At least it looks nice

[strong mountain]

"neue Art" = new type apperentlly

[narrow rover]

There's multiple Chinese shipwrecks with 5000+ deaths especially in WW2, just that they're not known because no one bothered to write this shit down

[burnt scarab]

They were in our history books as well. This G4M was responsible for bombing Singapore in 1942 and sink HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repluse

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLVlsa-ers

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-kkrHswfPVs&pp=ygUuc2lua2luZyBvZiBobXMgcHJpbmNlIG9mIHdhbGVzIGFuZCBobXMgcmVwdWxzZQ%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj0AzL95Weg&pp=ygUQc2hlcm1hbiB2cyB0aWdlcg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekwVnus6g10&pp=ygURYmF0dGxlZmllbGQgcmhpbmU%3D

[echo onyx]

that part I know

[echo onyx]

that's not a real tiger to be clear

[open frigate]

thx

[burnt scarab]

How you figure BigBear ?

[remote monolith]

If this is not Bovington tank museum then it's not a Tiger at all

The only Tiger left in the world rn is Tiger 131 at the museum

<@&472236072743600148> I usually don't do this, but there's a bot here

[runic ermine]

That was the ship it collided with

[grave ravine]

*running

there are a decent number on static display ofc

[echo onyx]

look at the wheels for starters

followed up by tracks and their width

see the wheels between the wheels

mg port looks funny on the mock up

[burnt scarab]

Oh wait.. The wheels BigBear

[remote monolith]

ye forgot to say running

I know there's several more in places like Kubinka and Deutsche Panzermuseum

Saumur museum has one too iirc

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lfxgvbun2k2y

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

#OTD in 1950, USS Missouri ran aground on a shoal in the Chesapeake Bay. The battleship remained stuck for two weeks until a fleet of 23 tugs and salvage vessels finally managed to free it. U.S. Air Force pilots joked that they tried to help by flying over and dropping oars.

Bluesky · Jan 17, 2025, 6:38 PM

[timber linden]

1 tiger could knockout 10 Sherman's....good thing americans brought 15....wait 20

[maiden citrus]

lol

[burnt scarab]

They mass produce Sherman tanks in mass quantity Kaga

[austere crest]

A bad case of irony

[remote monolith]

the ghost of belton cooper haunts us all

[eternal veldt]

Oh no, not this again

[timber linden]

America when it was America

Looks it a couple of months of axis air production....a week

[echo onyx]

https://youtu.be/WevXTsed_oc

[junior trench]

blow that dog whistle louder, the people in back can't hear you

[echo onyx]

love the J-21 & J-23

[echo onyx]

The Munster Tank museum HAD a Tiger

which was """sold off/returned""" and replaced by a plastic tiger

[echo onyx]

1 tiger for 5 shermans myth

https://youtu.be/bNjp_4jY8pY

[echo onyx]

in 2 or 3 years of the tigers production only 1100 or 1300 tigers were produced..at a glance..not bad..now these tigers have to cover the north african front since some of them were sent over there, eastern front which was the largest one, italian front and the western front

[timber linden]

You know how hard it is to find a good whistle gif

[echo onyx]

do you know how many kilometers of ground is that to cover

tigers were not common

you still had tanks like the panzer 2 in use in 1944

[echo onyx]

for example during market garden

[timber linden]

14 Sherman's to 0.33 tiger on an approximate European theater frontline

[echo onyx]

Now that I'm done with spam I also have to add..yes Tigers, Panthers, Panzer IV with the long 75 & the Stug long 75 were present at Market Garden

[timber linden]

Counting both soviet and western and subtracting the most tigers (31) sent to North Africa and giving the tiger max production

So normalizing 42 to 1 Sherman to tiger

Assuming all Sherman's were sent to Europe

Per km of approx frontline in europe

So yes 5 to 1 is a myth and sells the american potential short...greatly

[echo onyx]

[timber linden]

And that Google gave good numbers

Not counting italys frontline

13 Sherman's to 0.3 tigers if you count the greatest width of the Italian front

So normalizing now with rough numbers, 43 Sherman's to 1 tiger

[timber linden]

Wasn't there a mark Felton story on them using a world war i tank in berlin?

[echo onyx]

captured by the soviets which was captured by the germans and brought back..did they use it..don't know

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/ElzZ7KZW9M0?si=ecLqGwB3aDh6cp1b

[echo onyx]

also

I dislike Mark Felton

[timber linden]

To each his own

[echo onyx]

considering he said some unreliable shit

ye

I would not rely on him to be 100% reliable

[timber linden]

Take everything with a grain of salt

Okay did more digging, about 1114 (1120 as a rounded number) were delivered to the marines thus sent to the pacific and not the European front. This gives the new sherman per km of from as ~12.

Which now normalized is 40 sherman per 1 tiger . Assuming that all Shermans were sent to the front and none were held back to in the home front for training and other uses.

[remote monolith]

Mark Felton is a filthy plagiarist

So yeah don't trust anything from him

He's far less take with a grain of salt and more

Completely untrustworthy and unreliable because he steals his content wholesale and doesn't attribute at all

Also honestly talking about Sherman to Tiger ratio is just pure baloney because in the end the Tiger has to worry more about airpower than other tanks, and even then a good amount of Tigers were knocked out by singular tanks or units without swarming it

Some Tigers even disposed themselves by panicking and running into a ditch

[echo onyx]

..weren't those Jagdtigers

[remote monolith]

That's a different case where the Jagdtiger crew lost their nerve and instead of reversing showed its side armor, I'm referring to an incident during Battle of the Bulge where Staff Sergeant Lesniak encountered a Tiger and fired several rounds on it which bounced, but the Tiger for some reason panicked, backed into a Jeep, got stuck and the crew decided to thermite the vehicle

[maiden citrus]

yeah, I thought we had moved past memes, a single sherman is perfectly capable of taking out a tiger and even has immune zones of its own

[remote monolith]

It helps that by the time the Americans encountered more Tigers a lot of Tiger crews are just plain inexperienced and thus prone to making fatal mistakes that's easily exploitable

[remote monolith]

Oh and about this

Mark was the one who claimed the Tiger was sold off

The Tiger was actually belonging to a private collector already and only on lent to the museum

The lend expired, it was returned to the collector, and replaced with a replica

[velvet flume]

Heinrich guns

Friedrich's guns

Multiple design placement of Fritz Rumey's MGM

[spring briar]

@alpine onyx should we tell him…

[burnt scarab]

I dont know why is everyone hating Mark Felton. I watch his episode on Japan Post War Army and Russian Japanese Army...

[remote monolith]

Because he's a plagiarist that puts low efforts to fact check hos videos and sometimes unsettlingly pro-Germany in his assessments

[alpine onyx]

Or we watch people being confused about calibers since the Germans weren't being clear

[remote monolith]

There's a LOT of evidence he cribbed without shame from a lot of other sources and passing them off as original works

[alpine onyx]

I kinda enjoy the chaos

[spring briar]

Mischievous…

[alpine onyx]

I mean, not uncalled for

If you look at a turret with 15.7m barbette diameter and conclude it to be a 203mm quad (when a dual turret was 6.5ish m)

Or the "Friedrich" guns, 14.2m barbette diameter, the 38cm turret was 10m.

Plausibility check says no

[remote monolith]

Exhibit A about Mark

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/s/HogGFtmwB8

He badly misinterpreted data about Hitler's autopsy

And claims things not supported in the actual report

Seemingly in order to insert suggestions Hitler did not die in Berlin on April 30th 1945

There's also that time he genuinely implied Bormann escaped to Argentina and died there

This is despite strong evidence the two corpses found in Berlin near the invalidenstrasse bridge in 1972 corresponds perfectly with the medical records of Martin Bormann and Ludwig Stumpfegger

So yeah, not a good source at all

So don't be surprised if a lot of people criticize mark heavily because he has legitimately done things worth criticizing for

[strong mountain]

Among other things literally lying about the german Tank Museum creating a shitstorm against them.

Mark is at best of the level of an ai voiceover of Wikipedia Articled.
Iirc correctlly his "degree" is a homorary one and not one he actually earned.

[remote monolith]

His bibliography is fine

As in, his actual written books

Its hos videos that's super problematic

[shrewd pecan]

He’s the ultimate example of becoming a doctor so you can cite yourself

[eternal veldt]

Didn't you suggest these are possibly 53cm guns?

[alpine onyx]

Correcto

[eternal veldt]

Coming to your local fantasy boat game soon ™️

[alpine onyx]

A 40ish % increase in caliber for a 40ish % increase in barbette diameter, seems reasonable to me

If you insist, could also be 48cm, but it's definitely in around that area

[strong mountain]

You also forget that german mountings were hillariouslly inefficent

[alpine onyx]

When I compare German turrets to German turrets and factor in their internal layouts and why they were as big as they were (without blindly citing Drach's nonsense), I can do those claims fairly confidently

[strong mountain]

[timber linden]

They wanted a ratio i gave one, I dong care about what other factors there. I am sure the Sherman's had things to worry about, uboats during transit let's say. 5-1 is an insult to the American former industrial base.

Maybe 5-1 with the panzer 4

[remote monolith]

Nope no U-boats are a factor by 43

And I still consider ratios a load of baloney either way

[timber linden]

They were trying and a quick implosion death was better than freezing to death on the eastern front

[remote monolith]

I mean the Germans were also trying on the east

Unless you imply they don't put any efforts in anything but the U-boats

[timber linden]

Why would imply that.

[grave ravine]

This isn't really true, in the sense that relatively few tanks were actually knocked out by aircraft in WW2, in practice I suspect you would find that mines, towed AT guns, and other tanks were responsible for the majority of Tigers lost in combat, but it would likely vary over time and from front to front, and I don't know if anyone has actually collected that data

Airpower could of course do significant damage to armored formations as a whole, but it tended not to be through the destruction of tanks, but rather of various supporting elements

Tactical airpower doesn't become really effective against tanks until the PGM revolution

Re tank on tank combat, while the prevalence of tank on tank combat is often overstated in the popular understanding of the war, it is worth noting that a part of that stems from the fact that tank on tank combat was legitimately very common in the Normandy campaign and the broader Western Front in 1944-45, due to the sheer density of armored forces employed by both sides

[timber linden]

But in hearts of iron CAS is king

[inner lance]

real

[young ivy]

i mean like a majority of tiger IIs were lost due to a mechanical part going i give up

[spring briar]

Bruh look at this mf with 2 accounts

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-JoyW3ln1w&pp=ygUpZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGJhdHRsZSBvZiB0aGUgYnVsZ2U%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsGCKO3FIg&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLdgwA31qXQ&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=daFdUZLZimA&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D

[inner lance]

this was NOT in my new pfp bucketlist

[young ivy]

frfr

[narrow rover]

How did you get your accounts past the alt identifier loll

[young ivy]

oh were different were not the same person

were similar

but not the same person

[inner lance]

yes because i clearly own an air fryer and he doesn't

[young ivy]

mate we BOTH have one

i just own a slightly different fridge

[manic latch]

You two feel like Da Vinki Twins

[timber linden]

Germans sure liked to build giant tanks with underpowered engines and weak transmissions