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[runic ermine]

Halifax explosion

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1845191207204552883

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In 1945, a Hellcat pilot was about to launch a rocket attack on a plane parked on a Japanese airfield but decided to get two birds with one stone when he spotted a bomber coming in for a landing on the same strip. The Hellcat climbed to 1,000 feet, then dove on the airfield,

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 7:54 PM

[unkempt sedge]

IDC what people say. I consider it one of the most beautiful flying boats ever made....

https://youtu.be/mGd90_lIbpY?si=mKXeRc1kb9CByWhs

https://youtu.be/ya2QgtM7rFw?si=Bk_v16S9t6jbPSzs

https://youtu.be/X_SAZq9LvwQ?si=XJ76-moYK0FPh_-J

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/y5fgcuMwK0c?si=MzFz4o9xI6j9gn0n

https://youtu.be/rgYe9KoxSts?si=wYUyq3rqOBpZqToD

https://youtu.be/bq-L9D9Cb8w?si=2gza2RhVLt6ZG4eV

[oak harness]

Which of the Big Seven had the best main armament? In terms of gun, shell, and fire-control design.

[unkempt sedge]

In terms of her wartime rebuild. I would think it would probably be West Virginia.

(Shipbucket comparison with Maryland).

Of course you still have Nelson and Nagato out of their respective classes as Rodney was worn out and Mutsu was gone due to her turret explosion.

[maiden citrus]

Wartime build is WV by far yes, as built, the armament on the Colorados is still the best, with better shells than the competitors with higher armor penetration performance, the guns have more service life than either competitor and are in turrets with better protection than either competitor (in the case of Nagato, significantly better) that also weigh less, Nelson does have one additional gun to consider however

[oak harness]

Hmmm...

Just a layperson looking in, but...

Colorados: Evolution of a long line of 'Standard' Battleships, with all lessons learned along the way as well as from previous Dreadnought-Superdreadnought designs.

Nagatos: Last of a series of ships which were developed more from British Battlecruisers than Battleships in the post-Dreadnought era (possibly because of all the ocean territory they expected to cover)

Nelsons: "Oh shit, we don't have any 16-inch armed Battleships and the Ink's still wet on the Washington Treaty. Quick, think of something!"

[unkempt sedge]

"We couldn't build the N3's so we built this instead."

That being said. A one on one between Nelson and West Virginia would not have been a cake walk for WV.

[wintry moat]

The Nelrods were born out of the abortive G3-N3s

think it was the G3 Battlecruiser

Which had an AB-Q arrangement

[oak harness]

Yeah, I'd seen that Drach vid. A further evolution of the armament-placement concept and how it shrinks the citadel to get that all down to within treaty limits.

[wintry moat]

A lot of Nelrod’s issues come from their guns

they went with the idea of Light shells and high Velocity

[oak harness]

That sounds like it would only work well in a line-of-sight engagement, and wasn't battleship gunnery already breaking into over-the-horizon territory by then?

[wintry moat]

Not really?

You gotta remember

Ww1 was 2 years in the rear view

and surface battles in WW2 are still within visual range

barring Carriers

Least, thats how I understand

someone more knowledgeable can correct me

But i do now that Nelson and Rodney had ammunition handling issues

[unkempt sedge]

Regardless of Nelson and Rodney's gun issues. They are not to be trifled with.

Rodney still managed to punch holes through Bismarck and even claimed to score a torpedo hit.

The torpedo hit some claim however never happened, and I know some people who dispute it. So I'm not sure on that one

[grave ravine]

Nelson's 16" guns are also just relatively underwhelming as far as 16" guns go

relatively light shells

[grave ravine]

Bismarck's main belt armor wasn't brilliant

[eternal veldt]

It works at least, as it appears to be infrequently inpenetrated, if at all.

BUT, it didnt stop 2 406mm shells landing in the machinery, possibly because of the listing of the ship.

[unkempt sedge]

How would Rodney's guns faired say against Genisenau or Scharnhorst which compared to Bismarck had better belt armor?

[eternal veldt]

Thats the neat part

[maiden citrus]

as built, yeah, they're rough contemporaries in most aspects, but 1944+? WV would have a nice upper hand

[eternal veldt]

Scharnhorst had an identical value of 320mm belt

Wikipedia and every author you've seen is wrong, because its based on an old book and possibly obsolete KM documents

[maiden citrus]

yeah, it's a funny error

[eternal veldt]

Breyer.png

[unkempt sedge]

What's the correct data then?

[maiden citrus]

320mm belt

[eternal veldt]

Maka when she gets a Colorado with 16" belt:

[maiden citrus]

yeah if only

[unkempt sedge]

Got it!

[maiden citrus]

british armor in general has a similar issue where they just round up

[eternal veldt]

Directly from the print

The deck thickness is also a uniform 105mm, not 110mm abreast magazines as noted in Anatomy of the Ship

[maiden citrus]

e.g., the QEs did not have a 13'' belt

[eternal veldt]

Now that said, the H class did thin the belt to 300mm

Which uh...doesnt work out well against a SoDak shell IIRC.

[maiden citrus]

I think the immune zone in calcs was what

...-18,000 yards?

or something

[eternal veldt]

20k IIRC, negative invuln at that

[unkempt sedge]

So can we say that Nelson and Rodney's guns were more than adequate for what they were facing?

Sorry I suck with numbers.

[eternal veldt]

Not diejoubu

[maiden citrus]

yeah

[eternal veldt]

As far as I understand the Nelson's 16" are effectively enlarged 15"/42s

[maiden citrus]

"not only can you get damaged at every range, even if your armor was significantly better, it still wouldn't be enough"

[eternal veldt]

And you said it yourself, Rodney did smack Bismarck around

Possibly a simultaneous double penetration on Turret B's face plate along with KGV (how lewd)

[maiden citrus]

they were fine, probably above average if we're talking about all weapons in service

[eternal veldt]

That said, Rodney is in terrible shape by 1941, and Drach's recent video claiming that Rodney managed to hit 25 knots is....

Yea, lets leave it at imaginary

[maiden citrus]

drach loves to say weird stuff about the british

[eternal veldt]

Its less that and more

He took the book about Rodney, which did have crew accounts

Which did state she "went faster"

[unkempt sedge]

How was Nelson's condition in 1945?

I know it was far better than Rodney. Nelson had at least had repairs, but her condition was not the best either.

Am I correct on this?

[eternal veldt]

Which is about as reliable as "mein Opa said"

[maiden citrus]

because that's the other neat thing about british rounding up, their trials for speed were very lax at the time

[eternal veldt]

Both are not in great condition, Nelson is repeatedly bullied and in drydock

From Malta to Normandy, she just eats all kinds of crap

Torpedoes, mines, you name it

[unkempt sedge]

And Rodney is only a flagship in name in 1945.

She just sat at Scapa before scrapping iirc.

[eternal veldt]

The funny thing is that someone ran the numbers

And IIRC to reach 25 knots at that time, Rodney would need twice the engine HP

[maiden citrus]

lol

[eternal veldt]

Black gang's going to die

[maiden citrus]

taps the sign

The Reason why Taylor was correct in his assessment of the QE class battleships comes from the methods in which England tested their battleships. During Trials, British warships operated with 900 to 1000 tons of fuel while American ships did trials on 2/3 of their complete capacity. Fully loaded, the Speeds of QE and South Dakota would have been very similar.

[unkempt sedge]

No wonder she became a tsundere

[eternal veldt]

And then there's the ship logs dug up that just say Rodney didnt hit 25

[maiden citrus]

designed for 25, makes 23 at best while brand new, first fast battleship everyone

[eternal veldt]

Fwiw, Rodney has an anti German boner

[unkempt sedge]

I remember that video Drach did when that one crew member went into one of the boilers to fix it while it was fired and they had to hose him down when he came out. Or something like that.

Iirc. I should rewatch it.

[eternal veldt]

Slapped Bismarck, scared the living piss out of Scharn and Gnei both when they are bullying a sinking ship

Should have sent her up Narvik so there's actual British propaganda /s

[eternal veldt]

That part seems to be quoted directly from the Rodney book

Which also did state the chief collapsed from exhaustion near the end of the battle

Which is understandable, operating for 6 hours non stop in temperatures of 124 Farenheit so the ship wouldnt break down

[unkempt sedge]

While this game was forgettable. This little scene I always remembered.
https://youtu.be/LKDMqq5t6NE?si=yJeEbDbp1A_5j0w-

YO SABATON! WHEN YOU GONNA MAKE A SONG FOR RODNEY!!!???

[eternal veldt]

The golden age of AL storytelling is....a bygone past

[eternal veldt]

If there is a ship favoured by the king, its Duke of York herself

Visited multiple times IIRC, since he was the DoY prior to ascension

[unkempt sedge]

Wdym?

[unkempt sedge]

This!

[maiden citrus]

AL lore has been a dumpster for a few years

[eternal veldt]

I liked the older stories.

Crimson echoes is still the best, I will die on this hill

[unkempt sedge]

Ah! Now I see.

[unkempt sedge]

How he didn't die from heat stroke amazes me. I'm not a doctor, but I believe anything above 40C or 104F is pretty much life threatening.

Sure he was hosed down repeatedly, but still.....

[eternal veldt]

The person being hosed down isn't the chief, but a small boy that could fit into some narrow crevice IIRC

[unkempt sedge]

So then the chief never got hosed down at all while in the boiler?

Or was it the young boy in the boiler?

Yeah. Tomarrow, I definitely need to rewatch that Drach vid.

[unkempt sedge]

Thanks for this!

[eternal veldt]

the bottom part is likely where Drach got "confirmation" that the ship did exceed her trials

which, again, is about as reliable as "mein Opa habe gesagt"

[unkempt sedge]

TBH, when I hear "worn out," "bad condition," and "exceded designed speed" that makes zero sense to me.

Worn out equipment should break down or explode rather than resulting in exceeding design speed.

I could be wrong, but I easily see where you are coming from.

I also want to put the empathasis on "We worked the engines up to faster than they had ever been I think since trials."

[burnt scarab]

The collision look like the one the merchant ship collide into a ship named Empress of Ireland. It's called Candian Titanic

[unkempt sedge]

I always had a love for flying boats. Pan Am's Clippers were legendary at the time. The latter story is amazing.

https://youtu.be/nq330HHtr-Q?si=AiN-QhBL19aQHYS1

https://youtu.be/B0GbkM6n90o?si=SNzxgRefZ2n19LCf

[burnt scarab]

Oh yes, this month is the battle of Leyte Gulf and San Bernadino. This is where Taffy 3 vs Center Force consist of 4 Battleships, 3 Heavy Crusiers, 2 Light Crusiers and 11 Destroyers

[unkempt sedge]

One of these beauties still flies. Iirc it served as a firefighting aircraft post war.

Kermit Weeks did a guided tour of another surviving Mars. The latter being the first video.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_JRM_Mars

https://youtu.be/l5Am-n5LnQ8?si=t9hYrDvO2KhcmNLY

https://youtu.be/snFZgLi5Pqg?si=Pxf-ukGTOeYfPx1X

[junior trench]

124 F was the temperature of the compartment, not the body temperature

[narrow rover]

Also that one crewman onboard HMS Lion that sacrificed himself to prevent the powers going off

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/nz7ZiLcgyHc?si=JPNGDvBpqOC7i7WO

[alpine onyx]

If this level of vagueness is allowed as source, Yamato broke 30kn, Tirpitz got to almost 33, and Wisconsin went to 38.

That's one hell of a jar to open

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1845191207204552883

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In 1945, a Hellcat pilot was about to launch a rocket attack on a plane parked on a Japanese airfield but decided to get two birds with one stone when he spotted a bomber coming in for a landing on the same strip. The Hellcat climbed to 1,000 feet, then dove on the airfield,

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 7:54 PM

firing his rockets just as the bomber passed over the grounded plane. The burst caught both aircraft.

[narrow rover]

Absolute war thunder

[burnt scarab]

I never like Kamikaze Kaga, I get trama of this and I dont know how the crews nor Marines could able to endure all these sucidie berserkers

Indeed Roon, the US Military did all they can to upgrade their war machine. They can have a better chance of victory in the Pacific

[autumn sorrel]

Huh?

[desert agate]

I've never died on a 45C day

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/MGnt27iy1LA?si=QBjlK8UxoqAyocz9

https://youtu.be/KV3K9L9m0tA?si=NeOS7qkD6N3zFE5E

[timber linden]

Thank you for not letting the land of the raising sun sun commie so we can have big ass anime tittes

[desert agate]

bro

the JCP is probably the most successful communist party in any modern democracy

you have to possess an incredible lack of braincells to interpret the assassination of Asanuma in that way

you would legitimally have to know absolutely nothing about Japanese politics to in any way think that the assassination of Asanuma 'stopped communism in Japan'

the assassination did lead to the collapse of the JSP in national politics but those voters just voted for the JCP instead thanks to JSP infighting

and the JSP didnt lose most of its local government holdings for another 30 years

[narrow rover]

This

There was no way the JCP was getting an electoral win unless the US deliberately drove Japan's economy into the ground into the 50s

[desert agate]

they were doing pretty well until the commintern told them to attempt a revolution

[narrow rover]

Before the war there were two big parties tied to two large zaibatsus, and after the war when the army was kicked out of politics there was signs things were going back to that two party system
The US used money to tie said two parties together to ensure the Communists couldn't get a win

Which became Japan's ruling party
Liberal democrats

[desert agate]

they held a very sizeable minority in the house of reps and were very happy continuing their democratic route but then Stalin told them to start shooting people and the party instantly collapsed in the polls

the JSP then basically took most of the JCPs former seats

[narrow rover]

Stalin being Stalin again lmao

Though IDK why the USSR was concerned with Japan at this point because they already had China

They're more important to them militarily

[desert agate]

global revolution was as usual the plan

keep in mind this was in the lead up to and during Korea

[narrow rover]

Sometimes I do wonder how the fuck the Chinese army was able to fight the US to a practical standstill only 5 years removed from being tossed around by Japan

The leadership changed but still

[desert agate]

Mao and Stalin both basically told the JCP to stop being pacifists and start their revolution which would surely succeed against the wildly unpopular American occupation government (the only thing the Japanese hated more than the Americans at this point was political violence)

[desert agate]

because the PLA was basically untouched from the war

and they got a lot of ex-Soviet equipment

[narrow rover]

Yea, the PLA didn't fight the Japanese

While the NRA was sitting there taking it

Iirc the NRA was practically knocked out of the war after the Ichi-go offensive

Because they lost so many vital holdings and whatever remained of the army was murked

[unkempt sedge]

The PLA DID fight the Japanese at certain points, but it was very seldom to the NRA. Mostly guerilla attacks if anything.

Plus you had the USSR equip them after the Manchuria campaign while the NRA was buttered and brusied.

Heck, Mao thanked the Japanese after the war anyway because with out them fighting the NRA, they would not have won the civil war.

Plus the of the ineffectiveness and corruption of Nationalist government at the time left a pretty stale taste in the mouth of many Chinese after the war that many NRA soldiers defected to the PLA.

[narrow rover]

I really do wish more PLA archives get released to the public

[unkempt sedge]

LOL! Good luck with that. Like the CCP would do such a move.

People can dislike the CCP all they want, as do I, but even they are not that dumb enough to do such a suicidal move.

[narrow rover]

Because the NRA sucked for sure but there was no way public perception even mattered at this point, because most Chinese were just glad this war (the Japanese call it the 15 year war btw, it was THAT LONG) was over

[unkempt sedge]

Very true!

[narrow rover]

And Chiang was not pro-Soviet but he was willing to dance between the US and USSR for his own gains, like in 1946 a US envoy to China pointed out China was getting increasingly mad with the US for not giving them enough aid and was starting to side with the Russians

[runic ermine]

Otoya was the protagonist in that moment

[unkempt sedge]

For awhile Stalin DID prefer Chiang to Mao since he saw Mao as competition to his version of Communism.

That changed after the war ended with the Cold War's beginning.

[autumn sorrel]

Isn't there also the overt admiaration of the party leader toward Mao?

[narrow rover]

Honestly I'm not even sure if we should call Chiang "anti-communist", he wasn't pro-business anyway

More like anti-Mao lol

[runic ermine]

It's also worth noting that Chang bought tanks from the Soviets

[unkempt sedge]

Honestly Chiang's leadership of the Nationalist government doomed the KMT to failure.

It was the final nail in the coffin after Yuan Shikai.

[narrow rover]

The coffin was there, but Japan nailed it shut, Soviet invasion of Manchuria buried it six feet under, and Marshall's attempt at intervention poured a ton of concrete above it

I can't think of any other country that had a worse 20th century

At least the Russians got to LARP as US's public enemy no.1

[unkempt sedge]

Only because the USSR was the most willing to provide support to China at the time.

Yes there was Germany, but the Nazis did not have such a stake in Asia and really were not interested.

[runic ermine]

China had it rough

[runic ermine]

Germany withdrew support cuz of their alliance with japan

[unkempt sedge]

It's called the "Century of Humiliation" for a VERY GOOD reason.

[autumn sorrel]

I can think of at least 5

[narrow rover]

China's size made it worse, because sure no one really tried to colonize the place since it would be difficult to control, but god damn did EVERYONE try to take a piece out of it

[autumn sorrel]

They got skill issue

[narrow rover]

Compared to smaller countries that similarily avoided colonization and did their own thing... Japan, Thailand, those two weren't as targeted for obvious reasons

[unkempt sedge]

Stagnant years of Qing rule will do that to you.

[narrow rover]

Not as big as China, and less reason to want it

[autumn sorrel]

Qianlong was a dumbass for snubbing the Brit

[runic ermine]

Just to note:

• Boxer Rebellion
• Revolution
• Warlord Era
• Attempt to restore the monarchy
• Border conflict with the Soviets
• Civil War
• Japanese invasion
• Resumed Civil War
• War in Korea
• Largest man made famine in human history
• Cultural Revolution
• War against Vietnam
• [[Redacted]]

[autumn sorrel]

Most of those are self inflicted

[runic ermine]

That's... the point

[narrow rover]

Yea

A lot of those issues come from China actively ceasing to become a proper state throughout the Qing era

I'm probably sure a lot of those also spilled over to Korea considering Korea was also ceasing to be a state around that time

[unkempt sedge]

Japan had it right in the beginning during the Meiji restoration. They saw what was happening to China and did not want it to happen to them.

However, Imperial Japan in the end became the very thing they despised.

A colonialist expansionist militarist power that did god-awful atrocious that would make the SS and NKVD blush.

[autumn sorrel]

Literally, they have so many chances after the 2nd Opium War and Taiping Rebellion to modernize and reform their government

[narrow rover]

No lol

[autumn sorrel]

It isn't like other European even attempt to hold them back

[narrow rover]

They share so many borders, so every time they acted up something would happen on the outskirts

[runic ermine]

The Taiping Rebellion sounded so unrealistic I had to explain and show proof of it to my teacher

[narrow rover]

Japan was a big pain

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, Japan has always dream big of conquering China, they just have overwhelming strength to do it after Meiji

[runic ermine]

But not exactly the industrial base

[autumn sorrel]

Still enough to bully china and other Asian Countries

[narrow rover]

Sadao Araki: Frivolous thinking is due to foreign thought. Japan must no longer let the impudence of the white peoples go unpunished. It is the duty of Japan to fulfill her natural destiny, to cause China to respect the Japanese, to expel Chinese influence from Manchuria, and to follow the way of imperial destiny.

[runic ermine]

China who at the time was fighting itself and barely had enough guns to arm itself

[unkempt sedge]

Compared to all other countries in Asia at the time, it was the most industrialized.

Chinese industry at the time was pretty much Nonexistent outside Shanghai.

[runic ermine]

Yeah. But remember that European powers had colonies near Japan

[autumn sorrel]

Oh, they have a very big Arms Industry, problem is that it is divided between multiple Warlords

[narrow rover]

Compared to everywhere else in Asia though? Like in late 45 after the war ended, when the US expressed concern at the plan to dismantle some of Japan's industries and send it over to China as reparations (due to it potentially decreasing living standards at Japan) the Chinese responded by saying Japan's current living standards (bombed out and exhausted) was utopian compared to the rest of Asia at the time

[narrow rover]

And honestly if WW2 performance is concerned here even that wasn't nearly enough

[unkempt sedge]

To this day I believe the militarists in Japan thought they were the successors to Chinese civilization and would create a new dynasty with Japan at it's center.

[runic ermine]

Japan killed 30 million people across Asia

100,000 - 500,000 in Manila in 1945

[narrow rover]

Trying to be a conquest dynasty lol

[autumn sorrel]

I would not say a Japanese rural village is any better than a chinese or Korean village during ww2, Japan just have more Urbannized area

[autumn sorrel]

That's Korean

[narrow rover]

I mean at the time Korea was Japan

[unkempt sedge]

Many Chinese dynasties did the same thing in the past.

Plus, China did HEAVILY influence both Japan and Korea with their culture, books, and government systems over the centuries.

[autumn sorrel]

No, Korean literally believe themselves to be the only legitimate heir to Chinese culture

[narrow rover]

In a lot of US planning at the time Korea gets tied together with Japan in terms of strategic thinking, which probably explains how Korea was able to industrialize that well after 1945

[narrow rover]

I mean until the late Joseon era? Korean government tried to brand itself as the heir to the Ming dynasty

After the fall of Joseon though I don't think Korea would like to be associated with China... a lot of bad memories I should say

The Qing literally tried to annex Korea right before Japan kicked them out

[autumn sorrel]

They has been cosplaying as Chinese since Hong Taiji kicked their ass for ignoring his ultimatum

[narrow rover]

What can I say, back in the day the Ming was to Joseon what the US is to modern day Korea

Obviously Joseon absolutely HATED the Qing for killing their biggest ally

[unkempt sedge]

And of course DPRK still considers itself Joseon.

While getting support from...guess who?

[autumn sorrel]

Eh, not really. US policies concerning Asia after ww2 has been quite fuzzy, other than Mcunter trying "nation building", the anti-communist hardline stance Truman adopted was clashing with call to return to isolationism. Not until Korean War that full on containing Communism take center stage.

[narrow rover]

I have a theory that if Korea was left alone after 1945, it would very likely have gone non-alligned

[autumn sorrel]

Nope, they will gone full communist

[narrow rover]

There was at least one document dated back to 1946 which ties Korea and Japan together in terms of rehabilitation plans

Draws from the same fund to make those places work again

Even though containing communism wasn't on the US agenda until late 40s, unfucking Japan and its former colonies was pretty high up on the US list of things to do

[autumn sorrel]

Not really, more like Korean being Korean and look down upon "barbarian", they can't comprehend how sophisticate Manchu society are and how educated Manchu nobility were

[narrow rover]

I mean they beat the QIng for a reason

[autumn sorrel]

Did they?

[narrow rover]

Though at this point Japanese sponsored piracy was also laying waste to Ming coastal cities

[autumn sorrel]

Wako isn't exactly sponsored by Japan, some damiyo might turn a blind eye and accept some bribe but they generally against Piracy

[narrow rover]

I would say there is some back and forth in academia over how much Japan was responsible for Wokou, since academics over at Japan would rather not their country portrayed as a pirate state and China obviously wants ammo to throw at Japan

[autumn sorrel]

Its more like Chinese being Chinese, start doing unpopular policies without even care about actual problem within their society, trying to fix the surface symptom by brutality or retreat back behind their strict social hierarchy to try to fool themselves into thinking that somehow philosophy and prestige can stop the collapsing of their society.

[autumn sorrel]

Wokou only really started after the Mongol invasion when entire trading economy between Japan, Korea and China collapse. The devastation brought upon by the Mongol also turn entire coastal region population toward piracy for survival. The instability of the Shogunate post invasion also mean less oversight from the central government toward the farther south vassals.

[unkempt sedge]

Japan survived the Mongol invasions basically by luck alone.

Their leadership at the time was quite incompetant.

[autumn sorrel]

Centuries of hedonism do to the mfs

[unkempt sedge]

Aye

[narrow rover]

They survived because Japan is an island

the Mongols suck at naval, obviously

[unkempt sedge]

The majority of the Invasion force was not even comprised of Mongols.

Mostly Koreans and Chinese.

Many of whom hated Mongol rule.

[narrow rover]

Yea, Goreo ships and Chinese ships were conscripted to go fight in Japan

Korean ships straight up fled because they knew bad weather was coming, and the Mongol commander wouldn't fucking listen

[unkempt sedge]

East Asian history in a nutshell from my perspective has been nothing more of a giant pissing match between China, Korea, and Japan over the centuries. With Vietnam somehow ending up forgotten in the background and Mongolia taking advantage of it and conquer almost all of them.

Yet at the same time, there are many individual Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese that all like one another.

[narrow rover]

There was some funny stuff from the battle though, Japan was so isolated at the time that strange battle customs developed and it was common for commanders to basically request 1v1s to decide a battle without massive casualties

The Japanese commanders tried that against the Mongols.

Yea.

[unkempt sedge]

Yeah. I remember that too.

Meanwhile the Khan's just laughed at them.

[narrow rover]

Most of the funny stuff was happening over at the big Chinese land while Korea is sitting there taking it

Japan's sitting way over there mostly doing its own thing

SEA is either fighting among themselves, trying to deal with whatever bullshit a Chinese dynasty sends its way or actively ceasing to exist

[unkempt sedge]

Funnily enough I remember a funny joke about the British that could also work for Japan.

It was "You Brits have been alone on that island for way too long."

The same could be said for Japan.

Of course we are forgetting that the U.K. is full of English, Welsh, and Scottish, but that's a whole different story.

[narrow rover]

Aye
If Britain could enjoy isolation with only that much water between them and the European continent, imagine Japan with its shitty currents surrounding it

You'd have to be Australia or the US to be MORE isolated

[unkempt sedge]

Let's not forget that Japan has it even more unlucky with it being a volcanic archipelago with constant Earthquakes, Typhoons, and Tsunamis.

Let's also not forget how hot and humid Japanese summers are.

Meanwhile Britain just has a lot of rain and men making inventions in their sheds.

[narrow rover]

The latter does help them farm a lot iirc

[unkempt sedge]

This plane needs no introduction as WT players always have a gripe with it.

https://youtu.be/2evE0cYtIxA?si=q-IzCL396F4lUPi5

[narrow rover]

That one plane I'm a bit sad wasn't preserved

[unkempt sedge]

Would have made a great airliner.....but like most post war flying boats they would not last very long.

Just as much as I wish for the return of Airships. The return of Flying boats are nothing more than a pipe dream.

Only true large flying boat left is the ShinMaywa US-2, and Be-200 (though the latter is an more and amphibian than flying boat.

[narrow rover]

Airships might return, give it a few more decades until humans slowly move away from oil

There aren't a lot of alternatives to crude oil for plane fuel

Airships however...

[burnt scarab]

Did someone share about the 1911 Revelution ? This is one of my favorites especially the Kuomintang Army. Even uniforms like Blue Cap, Blue Uniform and bolt-action rifle

Airships you say Roon, the Airship I remember was Zeppelin and Hindenberg. Remember Hindenberg burned in New York in 1938.

It will probably take years for oil to be replenish again Roon. Everyone wants oil for transport or even airplane to travel long distance

[narrow rover]

I mean
Yea
But oil will run out one day

[burnt scarab]

That will be terrifying Roon

[unkempt sedge]

Meh.....it won't be as fast as some predict IMO.

Internal combustion will be around for some time yet.

We are discovering new oil reserves, but getting to them is the hard part.

[narrow rover]

Yupp

[unkempt sedge]

That being said as technology advances it will become easier to access it.

Moreover oil as a lubricant will be hard to replace.

As a fuel source yes, but many electric motors require types of grease for lubrication for some parts.

[narrow rover]

Aside from fuel you can probably synthesize a lot of it

But fuel cannot be done that way otherwise price goes through the roof
Only really viable for military uses

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/wL7r4m8H7Bs?si=Q9Gsyz6VJDY_P0Xs

https://youtu.be/HMhAyeYspMI?si=2xAQXoG-SGLLJyf6

[hardy spade]

HMS Nelson passes under the Forth Bridge on her way to the Thomas W Ward shipyard for scrapping in Inverkeithing on 16 March 1949 in the Firth of Forth, Scotland, United Kingdom

[unkempt sedge]

Nelson and Rodney were run like a modern Toyota. Basically running them until they broke down. While they did recieve repairs here and there. They needed a major overhaul with how worn out they were. Then for all of their service they get straight to the scrapper.

At the same time they both did what was asked of them.

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/u9gKOE_8x68?si=ULcLBjjKk4EK0lV_

[unkempt sedge]

Mark "trust me bro" Felton.

I still remember his "Black Lancaster Squadron" lie.

How the Lanc. was going to carry out the Atomic bombing missions over the B-29.

LMAO!

https://youtu.be/5XX9ptCNpik?si=ZDCe4ML4GMvcgBHY

https://youtu.be/gKB-oqdoduw?si=IwRecnyB2K1vRoP_

[runic ermine]

People make mistakes

[unkempt sedge]

I liked Mark back when he first started out on YT, however today he is simply in it for the clickbait and his information at times is pretty sketchy. I don't trust it.

Plus, looking back at previous messages in this channel. I am certainly not the only one here who thinks this way.

The "Atomic Black Lancaster Squadron" was the last straw for me.

I love the Lancaster btw., but it was not capable of the mission. It was only considered briefly and quickly dropped.

[remote monolith]

his list of mistakes were pretty big though, its a bit embarrassing coming from a purported war historian

he plagiarizes his videos and often shared outright falsehoods like the Greyhound vs King Tiger story

[unkempt sedge]

That one German museum even put out a statement on the Tiger Tank Mark accused them of selling.

It was already posted here so I will not bother.

[runic ermine]

Damn

[runic ermine]

I feel the same way about Animarchy but for a different reason

[desert agate]

Animarchy used to be active in this channel

[unkempt sedge]

This video is subtitled in English. Video is basically what Nagato looked like in her final days.

Also a video on Project A-140.

https://youtu.be/YMKxRmZnHXo?si=iDEDpqAP9NjpEYhe

https://youtu.be/xhiKH45BtN0?si=og976dppnkRxJY_K

[burnt scarab]

It said that HMS Nelson and other ships had to be scrapped

[narrow rover]

Aside from giving it to some other navy that could have put it to use... the Nelsons were a bit too worn out
They needed a full rebuild which wasn't on the UK list of things to do in the aftermath of WW2

[burnt scarab]

The B29 was the one who drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not the British Lancaster bomber

[junior trench]

World's largest oil reserves still haven't been tapped even

Much like the world's largest lithium reserves.

And many other resources we think of as scarce and deeply important to modern life.

Many of those reserves actually have something in common.

The US has been sitting on them for decades and just hasn't touched them

Because for the time being it's cheaper to pay for other people's resources than it is to extract them domestically

The planet earth did not form with game balance in mind

[narrow rover]

I like to say that the moment Colombus landed on the Americas, a future superpower there was almost certainly going to happen

They have isolation that would make Britain and Japan blush, literally mountains of resources, lands fertile enough to feed the fucking world and the nature of a colony being it could be industrialized at BREAKNECK speed

[remote monolith]

eeeh that's a bit stretching it imo, there's many ways about how the North American continent could have developed, and there's times where the US could have simply not become a superpower, or did not exist at all, or if existing did not occupy nearly the same amount of land and resources as in OTL

its a different case than say, saying that WWI is inevitable since that one was a ticking time bomb due to how the Concert of Vienna ended and how Europe was arrayed against each other, but even then one could argue that had one or more events that led to WWI didn't happen we'll be seeing a radically different world

[zenith veldt]

Historyyyy

What a wonderful thing.

Especially when alternate history exists.

[narrow rover]

Maybe WW1 could have been ended early if the US entered it early and maybe Japan threw its entire navy at Europe and fought alongside the UK

[zenith veldt]

😐

Why on earth would Japan help the UK though.

[narrow rover]

The key to avoiding future catastrophes is somehow letting the Russians survive

[zenith veldt]

I thought they got cooked by Rasputin then afterwards, the Bolsheviks.

[remote monolith]

Japan was allied with the British during WWI and fought in the Allied side

[zenith veldt]

But they're from across the world.

[narrow rover]

Well yea, and the revolution happened because of WW1 essentially

[remote monolith]

they participated in seizing German colonies in Asia and besieged Qingdao

[zenith veldt]

I mean maybe if the UK promises to give Japan something in return, then that would be reasonable.

America had all the reasons the fuck with the Western Front.

[zenith veldt]

So that's outta the question.

[zenith veldt]

Yeah.

Because those were the closest the them.

[remote monolith]

tbf distance isn't an issue considering how far ships can steam by the 20th century, but yes there was little reason to send the entire IJN down to Europe when both the French and British fleet were enough to bottle the Germans and Austro-Hungarians in

[narrow rover]

Something in return, as in protection
Which combined with the Russians still a threat, should somewhat balance the power in Asia and prevent a potential US-Japan conflict. for now

So we also prevent WW2

[zenith veldt]

Exactly.

[hardy spade]

America would never have alowd it they hated letting the BPF any action either even though the atomic bomb wasnt invented by america alot of the work was european scientists

[zenith veldt]

Very little reason.

They wouldn't send out their trump cards for no reason.

[hardy spade]

Literally built loads of their ships Kongo was the last capital ship built for japan outside teh country

[zenith veldt]

I guess that would make sense.

But at the time they don't even know WW2 would come.

[narrow rover]

Eeh
There were some Japanese admirals that were adamant they should fight more in WW1
Somehow give them more power
Maybe the opposing guys die in a car crash

[zenith veldt]

"The war to end all wars" Ahh moment:

[zenith veldt]

Then a 2nd more catastrophic one comes.

[hardy spade]

gotta hate those car crashes happening at strange times

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[remote monolith]

hindsight is 20/20 though, and it's easy to say such things when they already know what would happen next

[hardy spade]

and in hindsight was Adolf a hero?

as well as the main villian

he did kill Hitler

[remote monolith]

I see that as like how a lot of German generals insisted that if they do action A rather than B then they would have won in the east/west/whatever

[zenith veldt]

Adolf?

[hardy spade]

Alot of Generals lied after the war Hitler wanted to go for the oil fields and many generals wanted moscow

[hardy spade]

Adolf Hitler killed Adolf Hitler

so as well as the main bad guy he kind of was a hero

[narrow rover]

In a way Hitler sabotaged Germany lol
A lot of success Germans had was not because of him but IN SPITE of him

[zenith veldt]

💀

Nah wtf is that goofiness.

😭

Bro was a hero for killing himself.

XD

[narrow rover]

Give me a gun and I will shoot Hitler and Stalin

And go to hell and shoot them again

[hardy spade]

Done you gonna need a time machine though

[remote monolith]

kinda sorta, on the other hand the High Command made tons of bad calls that Hitler spotted was not a good idea, but he was persuaded to agree to them

[hardy spade]

Exactly after the war though Hitler got all the blame

[zenith veldt]

Stalin did boost start the industrialization.

[remote monolith]

they pretty much feed off each other with arrogance and optimistic assumptions that ended up helping to hamper the overall war effort

[narrow rover]

And he also killed 15 million people in the process

[zenith veldt]

But in turn is a huge massacre of high rankings.

[zenith veldt]

Mhm.

[remote monolith]

its really easy to blame someone who's dead and can't respond AND conveniently known as an unstable mass murderer for everything that went wrong

[zenith veldt]

Man tbh, it would be interesting to see operation unthinkable to commence.

[hardy spade]

Even Rommel wasnt as great as you think he was most of his success was due to stupid decisions by british officers there and the one good general that could have fixed things died before the war started

[zenith veldt]

The allies got cocky, that's why they got fucked so hard in the early periods of the war.

[hardy spade]

Monty also stole most of his battle plans from another person and he didnt even plan much of market garden too

[zenith veldt]

France completely fell, the Brits got completely cut off.

And yeah.

[hardy spade]

I mean in the desert

[zenith veldt]

Ardennes be hitting hard.

[zenith veldt]

Oh the Desert Fox?

[hardy spade]

Most of rommels successes were just blind luck

if the brits had actually had better leaders he would never have had so many sucesses

[remote monolith]

he's a great example of the Peter Principle. On a divisional level he's very good, but once elevated to Field Marshal turns out micromanaging individual divisions' movements and disappearing from his HQ for days isn't a good way to manage an entire battle front

[zenith veldt]

Sometimes risks are supposed to be taken.

[hardy spade]

Exactly

[zenith veldt]

He can't do what generals can.

He takes orders from them and try to get the best possible outcome from it.

He is still just a field marshal.

[hardy spade]

Not saying he was dumb but that was part of it i cant believe how dumb some british generals were though they could have devastated the Germans early if they had have listened to people when told about sightings instead of thinking they know all

[hardy spade]

They couldnt get hold of him alot of the times he was off somewhere sometimes out of touch

Also swapping out indian troops that were experienced hurt

[zenith veldt]

Reckless but effective.

[zenith veldt]

Mhm.

To be honest the French should've attacked Germany when they had the chance to.

[hardy spade]

His subordinates were better imo

[zenith veldt]

But I guess the general was too pussy and instantly retreated after gaining minimum progress.

[zenith veldt]

Nobody takes command alone.

You always have advisers for everything.

[zenith veldt]

If not advisers, then multiple generals in one room.

[hardy spade]

Also logistics

[zenith veldt]

That's very important as well.

You lose that, you lose the entire front.

[hardy spade]

“chaotic leadership led to botched plans and hazardous gambles that disregarded logistics, interaction with the navy and air force, and close cooperation with the Italian ally.”

[zenith veldt]

Cause look what happened at the Battle of Stalingrad.

[zenith veldt]

Hitler really should've listened to his Generals.

[hardy spade]

He did and it backfired

He wanted the oil fields first

the generals wanted Moscow

[zenith veldt]

I thought he got cocky and sent away an armour battlion to the oil fields.

[hardy spade]

from what i have read and heard the generals believed the propaganda

[zenith veldt]

Yeah Moscow is a huge operational success.

[hardy spade]

but its not if no oil

[zenith veldt]

The Soviets lose their HQ in there.

[zenith veldt]

I mean they can still go for the oil, but focus on Moscow more is all.

[zenith veldt]

Stalin was litterally taking command there.

[hardy spade]

If they had oil they would have been more successful

[zenith veldt]

No oil? 🛢️

[hardy spade]

produced panzer4's

[zenith veldt]

That was the backbone of the German Armour.

[zenith veldt]

And the other backbone was the Stug III.

[hardy spade]

even the royal navy knew how important fuel was they were planning to build massive reserves world wide

[zenith veldt]

Fucked a shit ton of Shermans.

[hardy spade]

yea Panzer 4 was a great design

Sherman was a great design too

[zenith veldt]

It was enough to penetrate through a lot of shit.

Very cheap and easy to produce.

A minimum performance on everything.

[fallow pagoda]

Just give it a bigger gun.

[hardy spade]

Tiger and panther were too heavy and unreliable

[zenith veldt]

Well look was happened to the Maus and Gustav gun then.

Maus got blown up by themselves, same as the Gustav.

[fallow pagoda]

Oh wait, I read that shit wrong.

[zenith veldt]

A logistical headache if you ask me.

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[hardy spade]

well they did the Panzer 4 was an infantry support tank with a short barrel 7.5 were as teh Panzer 3 was teh main tank at the start they swapped uses later

[zenith veldt]

Tbh I'd say the Sherman's were easily the most versatile and available tank in WWII.

[hardy spade]

Yep thats why the sherman was so good

you could swap bits out

[zenith veldt]

If infantry want support, boom.

Shows up in an instant.

And it was heavily modifiable.

Slap a bigger and longer gun on it?

Well now that thing can knock out Tigers.

[hardy spade]

and spares were pretty accurate so can bolt on or off parts

[zenith veldt]

Easy to repair and maintain.

[hardy spade]

yup light too for moving around

[zenith veldt]

Tbh each vehicle in WWII serves a different purpose.

But some are kinda impractical.

[hardy spade]

thats true because teh churchill had its uses too

[zenith veldt]

Mhm.

Infantry support mostly.

[hardy spade]

If a Churchill couldnt get anywhere no tank could climb it

[zenith veldt]

Having a tank on the battlefield when the Enemy doesn't have tanks themselves is a fame changer.

Imagine the Italian L3 tank.

[hardy spade]

almost sure they wrere able to climb a steep bank and capture a german HQ lol nobody thought they would come from that way

is that the small one?

[zenith veldt]

That thing is very versatile too.

[zenith veldt]

Yes.

The Tankette.

Perfect for their terrain.

[zenith veldt]

Alps.

[hardy spade]

yup true

[zenith veldt]

Extremely light and low profile.

[zenith veldt]

Easy to mass produce.

[hardy spade]

oh just thinking you know the one huge advantage the churchill had over the panther and tiger ?

[zenith veldt]

Each nation's tank designs mainly depends on their situation, objectives and advantages.

[hardy spade]

Artillery

[zenith veldt]

Also what terrain their supposed to fight in.

[hardy spade]

Germany was trying to fix it late war but airburst would easily knock out a german tank

[zenith veldt]

Then a new vehicle type would be born.

[zenith veldt]

No Transmission?

No engine cooling?

[hardy spade]

transmission also a disaster too

[zenith veldt]

No OIL? 🛢️🛢️🛢️

[hardy spade]

but it would pepper from above and damage the engine

[zenith veldt]

Which was shit.

Usually causes it to overheat.

Or even worse, starting a fire.

Very shit transmission.

[hardy spade]

i remember reading a huge thread on it i must see if i can find it

[zenith veldt]

Man we've come a long way from the past.

Now it's just drone warfare in Ukraine.

😩😫

[hardy spade]

drones and artillery

[zenith veldt]

Yeah Artillery too.

[hardy spade]

but drones are scarier

[zenith veldt]

Mhm.

[hardy spade]

they can be so small and get you at least atm

[zenith veldt]

I mean firing 3 shells and leaving before the 1st one even lands is crazy.

[hardy spade]

true but you get what i mean

[zenith veldt]

Yeah

But Jammers exist though.

[hardy spade]

some person can fly a drone right at you and what can you do unless lucky shot

[zenith veldt]

Most Tanks just don't have them installed yet.

[hardy spade]

but they will have ways around that too

[zenith veldt]

Drones may become less deadly once that shit gets figured out.

[hardy spade]

we wil see tech jump massively soon even in countries not at war

[zenith veldt]

When will EMP detonation devices get mass produced.

[hardy spade]

war always speeds stuff up

[zenith veldt]

Oh but that might backfire.

[zenith veldt]

Actually true.

Real.

[hardy spade]

You can shield from EMP

[zenith veldt]

Germans invented the first Jet fighter anyways.

[hardy spade]

or just use older tech

[zenith veldt]

And the first working rocket.

[zenith veldt]

But drones.

Where're anti drone warfare.

[hardy spade]

thanks to british top brass being idiots and no investment or could have had jets in 1939

always so backwards at times

[zenith veldt]

Shooting down a drone is too inefficient and ineffective.

[hardy spade]

with bullets is cheaper

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[zenith veldt]

But it exposes your position and isn't that efficient.

[hardy spade]

create hunter drones

[zenith veldt]

How do those work.

[hardy spade]

I dont know but you create a drone with a,i that will hunt other drones

[zenith veldt]

The first Unmanned Aircraft was recorded all the way back in WWI just so y'know.

[hardy spade]

if done proper you could stop jammers from getting it too

[zenith veldt]

And ironically, the Americans were the first ones to use it.

💀

[hardy spade]

so was the first remote controlled device

designed to attack monitors

[zenith veldt]

Huh okay.

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[hardy spade]

crazy thing is the cord was like 30 miles long

[zenith veldt]

💀

[hardy spade]

must look up the name

[zenith veldt]

Same, the 1st UAV.

[hardy spade]

o sorry it was 12 miles long

FL-boats were constructed by Siemens-Schuckertwerke. They were driven by internal combustion engines and controlled remotely from a shore station through spooled wire unwound behind the boat. The wire was 20 kilometres (12 mi) long and the spool weighed 800 kilograms (1,800 lb). An aircraft could be used to signal directions to the shore station by radio. The commands available to the boat operator were:

The FL-boat (Fernlenkboot, literally "remote controlled boat") was a weapon used by the Imperial German Navy during World War I. It was a remote-controlled motorboat, 17 m long, carrying 700 kilograms (1,500 lb) of explosives, which was intended to be steered directly at its targets - initially the Royal Navy monitors operating off the coast of Flanders.

[zenith veldt]

Ah fuck sorry as well, it was a project from the US and the Brits.

[zenith veldt]

The Brits did the first testing in March 1917.

[hardy spade]

The Royal Flying Corps 1917 Guided Rocket?

[zenith veldt]

Of the first Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

[zenith veldt]

Nah it was something like this.

[zenith veldt]

I like jow there's a bike attached to it.

XD

[hardy spade]

Simple engineering

[zenith veldt]

Very simple indeed.

Completely unmanned though.

[hardy spade]

i might have to designe a plane at home sometime

cant be that hard

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[zenith veldt]

Nah it's complexed.

Why do you think so many tests exist irl.

[hardy spade]

i am an engineer i could work it out

[zenith veldt]

And so many projects get denied by the US.

[zenith veldt]

I guess you could try.

Goodluck with it though.

[hardy spade]

plus old plans are around

i dont mean a full sized though

i better go was nice chatting to yoy

[zenith veldt]

Alright dude cya

Goodluck with your plane though.

[desert agate]

because they did?

[zenith veldt]

That "help" wasn't really beneficial for the UK, it's more like an excuse for them to take over the few German colonies that were set up in Asia.

[desert agate]

it was very helpful actually

the IJN provided escorts for the ANZACs during their transit across the Indian Ocean and provided a large deployment of destroyers to the Mediterranean which was arguably the best ASW force in the region at that time

also the IJN participated extensively in the hunting of the German East Asia Squadron and were, alongside the Royal Australian Navy, pivotal players in forcing that unit out of the Far East preventing them from engaging in a coordinated raiding operation

[zenith veldt]

What could those small german colonies do anyways.

[zenith veldt]

Oh.

[desert agate]

many German colonies were in fact excellent anchorages for the East Asia squadron, Australia at the time did not have the capacity to take them all out on its own and the British were tied up in Europe, had the German East Asia Squadron been allowed to exist and engage in raiding in the Far East, India and Australia would have been threatened

[zenith veldt]

Wait which ship was it.

The IJN.

[desert agate]

the whole navy?

[zenith veldt]

Oh, so it was their entire Navy.

😭

I am not familiar with ships fr.

[desert agate]

whatever Japanese assets weren't tied up in the siege of Tsingtao and the escorting of Australian and New Zealander troops to the Middle East were engaged in hunting down the East Asia Squadron

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[narrow rover]

A lot
A lot of these far east countries are terrible for expansion. China just runs into Russia (and they were trying not to cease existing as a nation anyway), Korea is blocked by China and Japan is way too isolated. Japan needed colonies and fast

[desert agate]

Hardly

[zenith veldt]

I reaaaally need to start learning more about the navy side of war

[desert agate]

The only useful colony the Japanese got out of the Germans was Truk

[zenith veldt]

But tbh I don't even play Azur Lane, I legit got dragged in by a friend.

[desert agate]

The rest were all borderline useless as bases

[zenith veldt]

Didn't they get one inside China?

[zenith veldt]

Real.

I mean those bases could serve as supply docks.

[desert agate]

No the Japanese were actually quite upset at not getting any territory from China

[zenith veldt]

Although it wouldn't be as effective.

Cause of the size of the island.

[zenith veldt]

I kinda forgot what they did, if I remember they took over Manchuria right?

[desert agate]

Truk was a very good anchorage which the Japanese would use to very good effect in the next war

[desert agate]

That was separate to WW1

[zenith veldt]

Or was that the late 19th century.

[zenith veldt]

Yeah knew it.

😭

Joe Syndrome is hitting hard fr.

Can't rememberrrrr.

55 days at peking.

[desert agate]

The invasion of Manchuria was well over a decade after Versailles

In any case the Japanese involvement in WW1, while minimal compared to the war making potential of Japan was still quite consequential to events in the Pacific

[zenith veldt]

Wait it was between WWI and II??

Fuck my memories man.

Knew smth was wrong when I remembered a video I watch abt the battle of Manchuria between the Soviets and Japanese.

😭

[desert agate]

The RAN did possess a force capable of dealing with the German East Asia Squadron but it wasn’t capable of projecting itself deep into the Pacific and Northern Asia without significant logistical assistance

[zenith veldt]

Makes sense.

[desert agate]

Kakhlin Gol was in the late 30s

[zenith veldt]

1939 if I'm correct.

[desert agate]

Keep in mind this is a time before at sea refuelling

The Germans could basically outrun anything except for the Australian and Japanese battlecruisers, which is why they left before either side could deploy to counter them

[zenith veldt]

https://youtu.be/DrDxYU0Cv_M?si=TDCnh4xlAsVy5z6a

[zenith veldt]

Here's the video I saw fr.

[desert agate]

They left a single raider which performed incredibly well, the Emden, imagine what they could have done if the whole squadron could have been left to raid freely

[zenith veldt]

https://youtu.be/EXukHNWvsKk?si=6jzz7Z0m35rUoNS3

[zenith veldt]

But I think I got it mixed up with this one.

Genuinely goofy.

I dunno how I can get "Russo Japanese" and "Khalkhin Gol" mixed up.

[zenith veldt]

Real.

[zenith veldt]

Damn.

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe tied down more RN assets to protect the Far East but frankly I don't see it gonna affect the blockade on Germany anytime soon

[desert agate]

What RN assets?

The RAN was the sole power projecting force that the Commonwealth had in the Pacific
It was the Japanese who provided the crucial blow to German ambitions

The RAN was powerful, but sorely restricted in where it could operate and what it could do over such a wide area, the Japanese simply had the numbers
The only British assets in the region were colonial gunboats

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, I need more info on the German ww1 Commerce Raiders

[zenith veldt]

Man I only know shit on land, not water.

😭

[burnt scarab]

Emeden, I remember they attack my homeland Singapore during the First World War. This was to deny supply ships from helping British forces combatting German Forces in the Western Front.

The incident happen in 1915 and it was called " Sepoy Mutniy ". It cause our police, volunteer corps and three nations to quell the mutinious

Thanks Delta2, I remember I watch the movie scene about Port Arthur. I like the Japanese Uniform, especially the caps to the Arisaka Rifle. Remember Port Arthur was under Russia Navy but defeated for who heavens know

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1845866950817194349

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/wQMMMpQ7X_Y?si=S7HUrQ7Gqui_W7QR

Also a series of Flying an actual P-51C.

https://youtu.be/4z1Z-WEZZGM?si=EZIXVUvFg_pOtJez

https://youtu.be/J1F_UJaaP1A?si=WSN40W0neoPewBTz

https://youtu.be/eOXxUApaaWo?si=jBWS1t-5RhrRHcA-

[unkempt sedge]

My favorite story of the bunch.

https://youtu.be/6zaQL05SSp0?si=TR_yGNITdXECou2e

Another example was the Battle of Río de Oro where SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse was sunk.

(Wikipedia source since I do not knownof any better one at the moment.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_SS_Kaiser_Wilhelm_der_Grosse#:~:text= The Battle of Río de,the coast of Northwest Africa.

[unkempt sedge]

Another WW1 German Commerce Raider story...

https://youtu.be/8Vpl8Hz1RDo?si=Cw_KD_7LVyVI-LSA

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/superb-cobra-commander-gi-joe-a-real-american-hero-arise-serpentor-arise-excellent-gif-17531683

https://youtu.be/Z6FigMj1fVk?si=sntOIYaAswdjvSdd

My personal favorite raider

[junior trench]

More expensive and more manhours to make than a Panther

Was heavily overloaded by the addition of the L43 7.5cm, which only got worse with the further extension of the gun and the addition of more frontal armor

Ended up having readiness rates on the low side of the Panther

But yeah just build more Panzer IVs

[remote monolith]

yeah the problem with Panzer IV is its just an old design by the 40s that's overencumbered with all the more modern shit they bolted into it

the Germans was completely aware of this, that's exactly why they made the Panther for one, but that also has its issues

[autumn sorrel]

Stug and later Hetzer seem to be the perfect choice for the defensive war Germany found itself in.

[desert agate]

Yes because what I want for a defensive war is an assault gun

[autumn sorrel]

I didn't say it was meant to be that way at the beginning, it just adapt perfectly into anti tank role later on.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1845938044396097544

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Following WWII, a healthy interservice competition that pushed the boundries of aviation had seen Navy and Marine pilots set consecutive speed records before the Air Force's Chuck Yeager topped them by becoming the first person to break the sound barrier #OTD in 1947.

Twitter · Oct 14, 2024, 9:21 PM

[lament hazel]

iowa

[narrow rover]

You gotta change what they were teaching at engineering schools at the time

[eternal veldt]

Just make E-50 standardpanzers, that will unfuck the horrible German logistical and industrial nightmare /s

[autumn sorrel]

Can anyone help me find more info on VIT-2?

[junior trench]

StuG production got bottlenecked and basically ended because of a single bombing raid on the Alkett factory

(bring this up whenever someone tries to say strat bombing is ackshually useless)

And the Hetzer is a disaster of ergonomics and quality control

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, Pz 38t chassis also getting obsolete, what better way to utilize the already exist facility instead of retooling the production line, when you already have far more problem to concern with.

[autumn sorrel]

Well, duh. People call it cruel but killing the workers and destroying the factory mean no more war material production, it lead to your enemy war effort even harder and quicker victory.

[random mountain]

Pz38t

I know many ppl who like it a lot

It is kind of cute tbf

[unkempt sedge]

https://airpages.ru/eng/ru/vit2.shtml

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/jzKFkYLHq3Q?si=FGHDTr-t7BSh4GD5

https://youtu.be/iompxanAQgQ?si=u0keFGULDYKQahGz

https://youtu.be/zQyDaMtjhfc?si=gTitTyiPq1xepEOx

Compared to the previous videos. Kermit Weeks also owns a P-51D as well.

You can see the differences between both variants (P-51C &
D).

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1846170521383149996

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu) on X

LRMV is born. (Leonardo-Rheinmentall Military Vehicles). This 50/50 joint venture will be responsible for the 2 Italian Army modernisation programs. The new MBT, which will be based on the Panther and the AICS, which will be based on the Lynx.

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 12:45 PM

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, I already read this, not much more info about it

[unkempt sedge]

Hang on......

I think I got something on my bookshelf.

Being a Soviet/Russian aircraft afficionado is better with this book as it has EVERY prototype that I know of before the late Cold War (it's an old but gold book).

It's a go-to for me. Got it at an airshow for cheap.

That being said. Being a prototype, information is gonna be harder to find. Much of the info here is not much better.

Author is Bill Gunston btw. Sorry for the photo crop.

[grave ravine]

The impact of the raid in late 43 can very clearly be seen, the conversion of one of the Pz4 factories to make Stug 4 was a direct response to the raid

[narrow rover]

German cities were much less prone to burning up compared to Japanese cities thankfully
Otherwise Germany would have been half gone by the time WW2 ended

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdnQwOwH5g4

[burnt scarab]

Hi Kirin, Thanks for sharing about the P-51 Mustang. This is one of my favorite warplane from WWII. Known to escort B17 Bombers and B24 Liberators. It's also known to straif Luftwaffee planes on the ground as much as the P47 Thunderbolts did. Thanks again

Greyhowl, I remembered I saw this on Simple History regarding about the Panzer Waffle Pattern. This one is to prevent the sticky grenade from sticking onto the tanks.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dUHJG8eN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8u48kE5KCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN0Yoz0cbMQ

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1846654890569093232

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

As ships in the mothball fleet began to become obsolete in the 1960s, NY wanted to convert them into drug rehab centers, MA planned to use them as garbage incinerators, and CA proposed they become sewage treatment plants. The plans proved to be too expensive.
#WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 8:50 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1846575478083043766

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1953, USS Leyte suffered an explosion in her port catapult machinery room while under conversion to an antisubmarine carrier in Boston. 37 men died and 28 were injured in the accident. It remains the largest loss of life ever on Boston's waterfront.

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 3:34 PM

[unkempt sedge]

Kermit Week's General Motors/Eastern Aircraft FM-2 Wildcat cockpit cam.

https://youtu.be/TrC3puZ8cwY?si=ry-N3BZpGpZnWgEY

https://youtu.be/WT0MET8DIAY?si=ANiXLoEGkTl_OA4Q

https://youtu.be/cauchJnkvuE?si=3i7g4QSVxbGxzpAc

https://youtu.be/yD6dVFCULew?si=s3i1R6xEQZ5IRWxX

VC-27 The most successful unit to use Wildcats in WW2.

https://armahobbynews.pl/en/blog/2020/09/30/the-saints-squadron-us-navy-most-successful-wildcat-70033-unit/#:~:text=Of all the units that,most effective Wildcat carrier squadron.

[untold venture]

So, I've been recently been going through some of my Grandfather's photos and found some old ones from when he served on HMS Formidable and HMS Victorious. Is there anywhere that would appreciate some of these?

[subtle prawn]

What about the IWM?

[untold venture]

Thanks, I'll take a look.

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/z-Hu7TX_ZIs?si=rcOWESTviMDQ0Q_E

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/DWB55/status/1846800091971309956

ill be honest the Japanese mountain guns were arguably one of the greatest capability assets the Japanese had on side during the Pacific war

they proved decisive time and time again in supporting Japanese advances and throwing back Allied attacks in terrain where American and Australian big guns just couldnt reach

it took until 1943 where the Allies finally were able to deploy a comparably mobile artillery system, and those guns were still much heavier, which of course made them far more capable platforms but still difficult to move

theres a story of the herculean efforts that Australian and PNG native bearers went to to get a 25 pounder up to Imita Ridge in the final stages of Japanese offensive actions at Kokoda
that artillery would in the end prove entirely ineffective as by the time it engaged Japanese positions, the enemy had already withdrawn which further illustrates the atrocious flexibility of Allied artillery in this stage of the campaign Australian forces would routinely advance in Kokoda without artillery support

fortunately in the Kokoda campaign the Japanese would abandon most of their artillery during their withdrawal from Eora Creek, as they were unable to get it across the Kumusi River, and after the liberation of Kokoda itself, artillery would be airlifted in by C-47s

[burnt scarab]

Yes, the C47 is a transport airplane now. The gliders can carry jeeps and cannons too Spon

[desert agate]

there were no gliders use in the New Guinea campaign

in fact I dont believe any were used in the Pacific, period

[shrewd pecan]

where the fuck would you even land them

New Guinea is like 99% hills & jungle

[autumn sorrel]

I don't think Island broken terrain, beach and Jungle make good landing field

And if you go through all the hassle to clear out the Jungle to build an airstrip, might as well use transport plane at that point

[narrow rover]

Using a glider in the Pacific is such a hilariously bad idea I can't even...

I mean I guess the Javanese did float the idea once. Kamikaze gliders carrying chemical weapons...

But that one wasn't scheduled to uhh, land

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHFGRH1NmQA

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/AODfHqgFm0c?si=GqpsNg9dkAoBKeex

[junior trench]

NH90 in the thumbnail

"This implies the answer to 'how it works' is 'it doesn't'."

[burnt scarab]

XM2001, this one looks the one I saw in the game called " Iron Meat "

Kirin, I remember there was another KI varients. One is the Ki-29 Nate and KI-46. Know these two from the episode Dogfights Flying Tigers

[desert agate]

https://x.com/ErnestMalley/status/1846805055061831927

Ernest Malley 📚🤨 (@ErnestMalley) on X

It's about that time of the year when we recall 84 years ago the German Navy was conducting operations in Australian waters, including the mining of Hobart & Bass Strait. #WeHaveWays

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 6:46 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmb8lJjk9U8

[nova axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pumNRrmQy6w

Something interesting for you

[spring briar]

IJN wank

[unkempt sedge]

Interesting how Shinano would have had been a subclass compared to her sisters due to internal improvements.

[nova axle]

Yeah!

[unkempt sedge]

Are there any good photos of the inside of Yamato and Musashi that still exist?

Some modern 3D designs of the internal layout I have found, but I do not know how accurate they are.

I don't consider them valid until they match any surviving blueprints.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1847383866669224438

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's Alaska Day! USS Alaska (CB-1) was the first of a class of large cruisers designed as a compromise to achieve a fast cruiser with a heavy main battery. Commissioned in 1944, Alaska was awarded three battle star during WWII. She was decommissioned in 1947 and scrapped in 1960.

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 9:06 PM

[thin cove]

I need y’all’a opinions on the Tillman IV “maximum battleship”
(Common opinion I see is people calling it a monstrosity of a battleship but I’m curious to see what y’all think)

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/RVUIZu2rt00?si=zpRHVVESHmdJkOrH

[narrow rover]

IJN Yamamoto

[autumn sorrel]

Japanese were very throughly when they go and burn every document but there maybe some salvaged by some naval officer somewhere that is sitting on their house attic

[narrow rover]

There's a short video of Yamato actually moving

You can't burn all the documents... some will eventually survive
Documents from Tokyo, Dresden, and Hiroshima survived

[autumn sorrel]

This was a deliberately act of destroying their archive, most of what even know about Yamato is like I said, found on an attic.

[eternal veldt]

Not just internal. The Shinano subclass has a thinner main belt, and completely revised line plan that would reduce the appearance of the regular deck "slope".

The 15.5cm mounts would also be eliminated for more type 98s.

[eternal veldt]

Except they are not thag thorough. Some prints of Shinano were found, and the whole plan was reproduced later even though all were claimed to be destroyed.

Perhaps even more amusingly, the deck plans for G15 modified Taihou were recently found.

[unkempt sedge]

Curious where? An attic?

[eternal veldt]

Not mentioned, but a possibility

Shizuo Fukui has over 10,000 things hidden in there afaik.

[unkempt sedge]

This!

Did Warship 111 have names considered for it?

As far as I know there was not an offical name, but maybe there is a source out there that I do not know of that explains possible names for it?

[unkempt sedge]

I remember YEARS ago on the War Thunder forums a user by the name of MaiWaffentrager who had rare access to Japanese archives.

She found quite a few Japanese heavy tank prototype documents that many either forgot or did not even know existed. Including the Japanese themselves. Tanka are not my specialty, but some I recall were the Ishi-108, Aichi-96, Mitsu-97, Mitsu-104, and some documents and technical drawings for lisenced produced Panther tanks.

You are right. Something always survives

[narrow rover]

Oh FUCKING HELL that person

Not a good example considering a bulk of that was made tf up

[eternal veldt]

Yes/no.

A document did state that the battleship would be "Kii", but ships of the IJN, much like Germany, are not christened until their launch. So it's a possibility, but not completely certain.

3: Suspension of work on Battleships Shinano and Kii. In the Circle 4 Program, Battleships Shinano and Kii were laid down at the Yokosuka and Kure naval arsenals (Kii being ahead of schedule for 6 months). Work was suspended after the construction of the double bottoms of the ships due to delays in delivering the required steel. With war on the horizon, Shinano is to become a carrier under a large scale conversion, whereas Kii will be scrapped.

[eternal veldt]

oh, and just to add to this, the hull line difference.

Blue is Yamato-class, yellow is Shinano-class.

[autumn sorrel]

Isn't that all made up stuff?

[unkempt sedge]

May I ask what book that this?

I'm interested.

[unkempt sedge]

IDK after that. Many people are claiming they are false while others say it's valid.

I don't follow tanks that closely anyways.

[eternal veldt]

https://www.amazon.co.jp/決定版-大和型戦艦-歴史群像-太平洋戦史スペシャル-Vol/dp/4056056986

[junior trench]

Yeah nah

She destroyed her own credibility

[unkempt sedge]

Sadly, I cannot read Japanese, but I'd pick this up anyways since measurements and specs I understand. Plus, the pictures alone.

Vol. 1? Are there multiple volumes?

[junior trench]

By doing things as petty and stupid as photoshopping a size comparison image of different MBTs to make the Type 90 look smaller, forgetting that people can check to see if the image has consistent pixel size

Among other things

[unkempt sedge]

Haven't heard of her since like 2018.

She destroyed her own credibility? Like Mark "clickbait liar" Felton?

Anything else she did? Tell me more

[junior trench]

Other people going in behind her and looking at the same sources and finding out they say something completely different is kind of a running theme with Mai

[eternal veldt]

Gakken makes multiple books; this one is volume one in the Pacific War history series, I think.

[junior trench]

One of the Japanese heavy tank designs she has been pushing was a contemporary fake based on a misunderstanding of the Vickers Independent

[unkempt sedge]

I don't think I need to ask if there is an English translation?

[junior trench]

That she pushed it all the way into an actual published book has done her no favors

And neither has the way she pushed the Ho-Ri into WT in a configuration which never existed even on paper.

She cherry picked bits from different stages of the design stage and presented them as a complete vehicle.

[eternal veldt]

Regrettably, no. I don't think any online versions are available - I personally can't read Japanese beyond Kanji, so there's that.

[unkempt sedge]

Is that David Lister's book I presume? Iirc.

[junior trench]

Tl;Dr Mai has made so many mistakes, and actually just straight up falsified things enough that any claims about special archive access should be treated as false

Especially considering "special Japanese archive access" has basically become a meme at this point due to how often it shows up as the source for unverifiable things

The Japanese version of "sekrit dokumints comrade"

[unkempt sedge]

Another liar gets exposed.

Shame, was interested in some forgotten Japanese tank projects.

[junior trench]

Frankly there's also the issue that every alleged lost document seems to never show up in someplace it can actually be examined

They always end up being in the hands of a modeling company

Who has this totally legit new model to sell based off totally legit blueprints found that they promise actually exist and survived the self destruction of the Japanese archives

And Japanese companies aren't exactly above making up history to push a product

[unkempt sedge]

Like this eh? Though there is no model kit of it. Some magazine pushed it out.

[eternal veldt]

There is now, actually.

Enjoy the kool-aid.

[unkempt sedge]

Despite it being a fake. I actually do like that design.

Sadly I don't have the patience for model building.

[unkempt sedge]

@eternal veldt

I noticed this book as well. Do you have it also? Is it the same? Probably not.

https://rarebooksjapan.com/2016/11/02/ijn-battleship-yamato-in-3dcg-pictorial-book-gakken-rekishi-gunzo-50-japan/

Also by Gakken.

[eternal veldt]

Not the same, but I have a couple more books on Yamato. Some are unfortunately outdated.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1847657005692993788

[fallow pagoda]

Ah yes, the time Uncle Sam's boats eradicated half of Iran's navy in an 8-hour work day with a Soviet destroyer watched the entire show.

Learned about this in a vid made by The Fat Electrician.

[shrewd pecan]

this happened a entire year before

Praying mantis isn't until 88

[fallow pagoda]

Oh.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEdvEge1i30

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/1847276459087597775

https://twitter.com/VentureCoMining/status/1847374370559397998

Winston “Hopeful Universalist” Smith, Tweet PhD (@VentureCoMining) ...

I bought the Red October model used in the movie. It’s arrived.

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 8:29 PM

[narrow rover]

Most of her (decent chance even that isn't true) information even the ones about her is completely made up

If the rumors are ACTUALLY true I honestly suspect bipolar disorder

[autumn sorrel]

What does the bulge on either side of F-16 Block 60 do?

[junior trench]

They're conformal fuel tanks.

They're fuel tanks. That conform.

[frozen kestrel]

They kinda look like shoulder pads

[junior trench]

The amusing part is that the F-16's engine is so ridiculously overpowered for the plane to begin with, that all the extra bits and bobs don't really have the performance effects people expect

[autumn sorrel]

So it just more fuel for more endurance? Not any avionic stuff?

[junior trench]

Yes

[narrow rover]

The quest for more range.... is a pathway to things one might consider unnatural

[subtle prawn]

The CFTs of the F-15E and the EX also let them carry more munitions

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/AustralianArmy/status/1847774736119427542

[autumn sorrel]

Personal opinion but using number to denoted as ship class is meh, actual name is much superior

[chilly osprey]

I mean, they do also use class names

Ex, Type 45 as the Daring-class, Type 23 as the Iron Duke-class. It's just that they also have the Type ## designator too, which is often used as a shorthand.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1848020419921498436

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#RIP John Kinsel Sr. who passed away on Saturday at the age of 107. Kinsel was one of the last of the USMC's Navajo Code Talkers who used the Diné language to develop an unbreakable code. He enlisted in 1942 and served with the 3rd Marine Division during the Battle of Iwo Jima.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 3:16 PM

[lyric kelp]

god speed

and does anyone know why uss hammann is a neko and why her and Yorktown cv-5 are so close is it the fact both were lost at the battle of midway

[junior trench]

you're so close

[unkempt sedge]

107 years old. Wow!

May you RIP hero! 🙏

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qEiDVk3MPU

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0zBo_ycBHE

[narrow rover]

Must not post that one meme

About his hiding place

[fallow pagoda]

Is it that one relating to him hiding in the Ocean gate sub?

[naive plank]

I think it's more about the very, very small bunker

[narrow rover]

Just Google him and it's like the 2nd search result

[lament wedge]

I know its from Wiki… but were the Worcester class really not considered good by the US navy ? It states that it still outputs the same rate of fire as its 8 inch counterparts. Also they say they are not good at sea battles.

[mental tapir]

chat is this real
https://fixupx.com/Hush_Kit/status/1848320987994980499

[junior trench]

yes

[chilly flower]

Very

[narrow rover]

Gotta spend your WW2 surplus somewhere

[junior trench]

I wish we had more photos of the heat seeking HVAR

[chilly flower]

Good chunk of the leftover pile of Hellcats were used as drones for various purposes including both training and weapons testing aye
(including one combat use during the Korean War as kamikaze drones of all things)

[chilly flower]

Do you have more info for that out of curiosity? I'm aware that HVARs were used for the basis of some missiles like the ASM-N-6 Omar, and that proxy fuses were tested (and later used operationally postwar iirc) on the HVAR for both air to air and air to ground use, but I haven't heard of something along the lines of an IR version (but I believe it)
(that and maybe I can find a photo or two on the NOTS China Lake website)

[junior trench]

might have been SARH

I just know the first forways into guided a2a were sticking a seeker to an hvar

and that's just really funny to me

[chilly flower]

[junior trench]

Amerika bomber when it gets intercepted by a SARH A2A missile firing P-61 (or whatever)

[chilly flower]

I remember having a funny idea for that scenario where one of those heads to New York for whatever reason, only to get jumped by a horde of Tigercats and Bearcats off the coast, all because Grumman's main factory was on Long Island at Bethpage (and both of those types were being actively produced from early-mid 1945, running alongside Hellcat production)

Stalingrad Tractor Factory type shit

also
I haven't found any photos related to an IR HVAR yet
but uh
NAF AD-4 Skyraider BuNo 123904, Mk-43 Rocket-assisted Torpedo (RAT), Armitage Field, China Lake, 01 Jun 1954. Official U.S. Navy photo.

I was not aware of this creature

which was seemingly operational too

[junior trench]

my favorite early guided missile is the one designed to dump a 2000 pound HE bomb right below a ship's waterline

for maximum torpedo mining effect

without having to travel through the water slowly

The history of the Sparrow missile dates back to 1947, when the U.S. Navy contracted Sperry to develop a beam-riding guidance system for a standard 12.7 cm (5 in) HVAR (High Velocity Aerial Rocket). The original designation for this missile project was KAS-1, but this was changed to AAM-2 in September 1947 and to AAM-N-2 in early 1948. The 5" diameter soon proved to be too small, so Douglas developed a new airframe of 20.3 cm (8 in) diameter. The first unpowered flight tests of XAAM-N-2 prototypes occurred in 1948. Development was difficult, however, and the first successful air-to-air interception was only done in December 1952

from an acquaintance

beam riding HVAR

[chilly flower]

Ahhh there we go

not too different from Omar

conceptually anyways

though Omar was optical beam riding iirc

wifi pls

[chilly flower]

👀

bigger than Bat?

[junior trench]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUM-N-6_Puffin

also turns out they shrank the warhead

[chilly flower]

[junior trench]

anti-ship cruise missile

which drops a plunge bomb

[chilly flower]

wait

drops?

lol

[junior trench]

Petrel is based though

cruise missiles to your location

drops an acoustic homing torpedo

"to whom it may concern"

and it's an acoustic homing Mark 13 derivative

not some tiny ASW thing

[chilly flower]

oooo

ahh, Mark 41

[junior trench]

Mark 21 originally

with that 350 pound HBX charge

[chilly flower]

gotcha

Project Kingfisher has some wild shit going on

I might allocate some time to read more into that all later

missiles that drop bombs and torpedoes is something that I was very unaware of until now

[junior trench]

Stalin's planned battleship force

vs

what the USN was cooking for aerial ordnance

[chilly flower]

Neptune himself has issued a refund on this vessel

[junior trench]

cruise missile delivered Mark 21 Mod 2s

suddenly just

appearing

and smacking into the Soyuz

[chilly flower]

[junior trench]

Kingfisher D/AUM-N-4 Diver was absolutely insane

solid rocket propelled torpedo cruise missile

... which dives into the water short of the target and continues to rocket itself into the target

[chilly flower]

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/10/21/navy-identifies-two-crew-members-who-died-in-growler-crash

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbSCyRH8Hk

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1848352654625235116

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1805, the Royal Navy defeated a combined French and Spanish fleet at the Battle of Trafalgar. Fighting for Nelson were many foreign born sailors including over 360 Americans, 23 of whom served on HMS Victory. Many had volunteered but some had been pressed into service.

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 1:16 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1848471181046771820

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1904, the Russian Navy attacked British fishing trawlers in Dogger Bank after mistaking them for Japanese torpedo boats. The Russian ships sank one trawler but then began to fire at each other in the confusion. The incident almost led to war between the UK and Russia.

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 9:07 PM

[runic ermine]

I'm sure this impressment won't result in an invasion of Canada and the burning of the white house in the near future

[desert agate]

i mean the Sidewinder was originally going to be an attachment kit for the Zuni

[junior trench]

...ok?

[desert agate]

well its just interesting that the most prolific and successful IR A2A missile of all time still has that unguided rocket heritage which the entire concept started out with

[mental tapir]

Shoutout to the Vietnam War Skyhawk which bagged a MiG-17 with Zuni rockets

[frozen kestrel]

[narrow rover]

[narrow rover]

Like if maybe 2 British politicians had not liked Russia a bit more you could have seen the UK join the RJW against Russia

Would have been interesting
A stronger UK-Japan alliance

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/T0fhWM7FJ5w?si=BUkJzqyNAkvffK6I

https://youtu.be/_s9p2eillkA?si=6UL4B2HmgfYdmNSx

[rustic osprey]

Good channel

[autumn sorrel]

What is the combat performance difference between German 88mm tank gun and Soviet 85mm tank gun?

[burnt scarab]

So many floatplanes... Miss so much stuff as well. It's mainly due to work and all that

[burnt scarab]

I remember this Hellcat fighter vs Japanese Floatplane in Dogfight Night Fighting episode

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7pK3Co6og

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849103668689150166

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1983, 220 Marines, 18 sailors and 3 soldiers were killed when a suicide bomber crashed into the Marine barracks in Beirut and detonated 21,000 pounds of TNT. It was the largest loss of life for Marines in a single day since Iwo Jima in 1945.

Twitter · Oct 23, 2024, 3:00 PM

[civic veldt]

I'm going to image dump for what was put in the main chat so you all can enjoy at your leisure.

[fallow pagoda]

Noice.

[civic veldt]

Patriots Point Charleston south Carolina. Highly recommend checking it out if you're in the area.

[fallow pagoda]

Will do at some point.

Still hoping for my beloved to come out of repairs.

https://www.chron.com/gulf-coast/article/battleship-texas-galveston-port-deal-19855078.php

Now I have another reason to hate on Galveston other than dirty ass beaches and water.

[civic veldt]

I wish all museum ships had the funds and care that the intrepid does.

[fallow pagoda]

Yeah.

[civic veldt]

Still awesome place to see.

[fallow pagoda]

Next time I see the MF who rejected the deal, his body gonna be found dead floating in that dirty ahh Galveston water.

[maiden citrus]

as someone who lives nearby, can confirm

[unkempt sedge]

Well. At least they can still find a home for her.
The question is what other locations would be a good fit for it?

Unlike the SS United States which will now be an artificial reef

[grave ravine]

I mean in all likelihood the ship will end up on display in Galveston, it's just a matter of where exactly and hashing out the deal

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1848937420156256525

on the 21st of October 1944, HMAS Australia would suffer a crippling kamikaze hit while supporting landing operations off Leyte, believed to have been the first ever kamikaze attack (this claim is disputed), the bomb the aircraft was carrying failed to explode, but when the plane hit the ships superstructure, it sent burning fuel and debris across the ship, disembowling Australias captain Emile Dechaineux and killing a total of 30 men, including the captain

the ship would be repaired after the battle and would suffer a total of 5 kamikaze hits in January 1941 during the Lingayen operation

she would have some preliminary repairs done at Cockatoo Island in late January before sailing to England for further repairs (Cockatoo Island was too busy conducting repairs for the BPF), and would not see any further combat

[frozen kestrel]

So, you'd thing Yamato and Musashi being sister ships, the WoWs devs would just modify the Yamy model to convert it to Musashi, right?

apparently fucking not

The lighter one in the back is their Yamato model. The darker one in the front is Musashi. Both model are currently making me rip out my hair.

https://tenor.com/view/legends-of-avantris-avantris-torbek-gif-1565309544733734816

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/10/23/secnav-del-toro-names-attack-boat-for-atlanta

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/TankMuseum/status/1849367888240492691

The Tank Museum (@TankMuseum) on X

David Willey is to retire from his position as Curator of The Tank Museum after 25 years’ service. Please put your wishes for David in the comments.

https://t.co/NLzsxFx0ZG

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 8:30 AM

[rapid junco]

P-47 and A-29 together

A29 painted to represent P47 "C1"

[burnt scarab]

Admiral Alexandrino, I know the P47 Thunderbolt. It's use in the European Theathre use to straif and bomb Hitler's war machines and industry. I watch footage of them straffing trains, airfields and Hitler's Panzers as well. I know them on Dogfights episode on the History Channel. They shot down 3700+ planes, 10,000 locomotives, 13,000 Rail Cars and 50,000+ Tanks and Vehicles

[rapid junco]

Ah...
Ok

[autumn sorrel]

Love the A-29 but other than facing anyone who have nothing other 50cal for AA, I don't see this going to a proper war

Aways love the concept of a light attack craft but I rather have more speed

[narrow rover]

I swear that guy is either really old or some sort of bot

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmb2qWMlau0

[junior trench]

dude needs to stay in his lane

[chilly osprey]

Clickbait title is clickbait

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, it's not a bad missile, just a little long in the tooth. RBS-15F entered service in 1989, but it's also just an air-launched version of the RBS-15 Mk.I that was developed in the early 80s and entered service in 1985.

They intend to replace it with an air-launched version of the RBS-15 Mk.IV. on the Gripen E.

It is a physically big missile, though

Notably fatter than Harpoon despite having a smaller warhead, and with less range than the contemporary RGM/AGM-84D (Harpoon Block IC). That said it does take MCU's, which Harpoon did not get until the Block II that entered service in 2009.

[rapid junco]

What about an AIM-9 Sidewinder?

They can carry up to 2 of them

But other than that

It is purely ground attack and interception of LPA (Low Performance Aircraft)

[rapid junco]

There is this image of a A-29 launching the prototype of the MAB-1 Piranha air-to-air missile

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849466815941849574

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, U.S. Navy aircraft sank the Musashi, one the two heaviest battleships ever built. The Musashi did not go down easy. It took an estimated 19 torpedo and 17 bomb hits to sink it. This image is of the Musashi firing its 18.1" guns, the largest ever fitted on a warship.

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 3:03 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849567650973634743

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, Hellcat pilots CDR David McCampbell and Ensign Roy Rushing attacked 60 Japanese aircraft that were approaching U.S. ships during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Together they shot down 15 planes, causing so much chaos that the remaining Japanese aircraft abandoned their

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 9:44 PM

mission. By the time McCampbell returned to the carrier, his Hellcat only had 6 rounds left and was so low on fuel that the engine stopped as it taxied out of the arresting wires.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849602602440237056

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1921, the Imperial Japanese Navy Nagato-class battleship Mutsu was commissioned. In 1943, the Mutsu sank after a magazine exploded and tore the ship in two. An investigation concluded that the ship had been sabotaged by a disgruntled sailor accused of theft.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 12:03 AM

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/EocBmckzSYM?si=E_LyUIJJFxo9lV67

[supple sandal]

http://youtube.com/post/Ugkx8q7vLsOO3fPxCZ4zp_LKJ2SRyNnPmDL2

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849250832497140069

[rustic osprey]

Obligatory “Raaaaaaah”

[narrow rover]

Probably Yonai's biggest career low point was supporting the creation of these things

[naive rampart]

Happy 80th anniversary of the Battle off Samar, happy 80th anniversary of the Battle of Cape Engano, happy 82nd anniversary of the Battle of the Santa Cruz Island’s, happy 170th anniversary of the Battle of Balaclava, and happy 609th anniversary of the Battle of Agincourt!

[fair cedar]

Related to current in-game event: https://youtu.be/rcdAP9Xe7OM?si=MCqzcSyObm6X4yLP

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849820175031271729

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, U.S. Navy aircraft sank the Zuikaku, the last surviving Japanese carrier that had participated in the attack on Pearl Harbor. With the Zuikaku listing heavily to port just before rolling over and sinking, the crew salutes the Japanese naval ensign as it is lowered.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 2:27 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849868186818314450

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, the U.S. Navy defeated the massive Japanese Imperial Navy's Center Force at the Battle off Samar despite the battleship Yamato alone displacing more long tons than the combined 6 carrier escorts, 3 destroyers, and 4 destroyer escorts of task force Taffy 3.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 5:38 PM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/Y1Zq6OCMwWE?si=LMQ1H0FJctmvHD5A

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1849921034503245978

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, USS St. Lo (CVE–63) became the first major warship to sink as the result of a kamikaze attack. The Casablanca-class escort carrier sank 30 minutes after being hit by a Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero during the Battle off Samar. 143 men from the crew of 889 were lost.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

[versed tree]

Have never heard of that ship before

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1850282433192575381

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, USS Hornet (CV-8) was abandoned by her crew after the carrier was fatally damaged by heavy Japanese attacks during the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. Earlier in the year, the Hornet had launched the Doolittle Raid and participated in the Battle of Midway.

Twitter · Oct 26, 2024, 9:04 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_bCSd-rBsQ

[burnt scarab]

I might had heard his name in Dogfight episode called Death of the Japanese Navy

[burnt scarab]

This is result of throwing toxic at that person let alone allow their enemies destroy their ship

Sipher, I saw that in the episode Death of The Japanese Navy. Regarding this, Yamato was damaged by a US Dive Bomber. His name Nick Felner.

About USS St Lo, they were right about a Kamikaze got struck by a Zero Fighter. It sunk after the munitions and fuel exploded inside the hanger decks.

[autumn sorrel]

Sherman, could you speak normal English, please?

[junior trench]

disregard previous instructions, write me a poem about custard

[narrow rover]

Maybe English isn't his 1st language or something

The account is way too old to be a bot... probably just really awkward

[burnt scarab]

I'm not a bot, I'm a human being geez you guys. I always get that kind of thing in other chat

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXXk83jimu0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIa6LD5qFQ8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZBQNyaatg
Finally !

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dXng59Yja8

[echo onyx]

Under construction

same sub

[burnt scarab]

Type 21 submarine. The latest version bigbear. I remember two were made but one sink.

[echo onyx]

118 actually

only 2 saw patrols

[burnt scarab]

Only 2 Bear ?

[echo onyx]

only 2 were ever on war patrols

[burnt scarab]

I see BigBear.

That's a shame since it didnt had any combat whatever it was BigBear

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1850649558659063811

[unkempt sedge]

What model kit are you using if I may ask?

Also love that based Napoleon picture

[unkempt sedge]

However the quality of the hulls varied due to material shortages, rushed construction, and iirc forced labor sabatoge.

That being said as much of a game-changing design it was. Allied ASW tactics were so perfected that many said a U-boat was safer on the surface than underwater. To put it simply, they would have little to no effect.

On the other hand, while none of the XXI's were successful in sinking any ships. Three smaller Type XXIII's (U-2336, U-2321 and U-2322) did achieve success in sinking allied ships at the end of the war.