history

[manic latch]

Waves

[frozen kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-cat-loading-buffering-kitty-gif-17184357

[manic latch]

Waves move the deck

So gun gets destabilized

This gyro keeps it straight

[frozen kestrel]

That... actually makes sense

Also, god damn I fucking hate this camouflage sometimes

[manic latch]

Soviet 100mm does it too ye

Since it's inspired from German 105mm

[frozen kestrel]

I was trying to see the forward 105mm turrets, but I can't because all four of them are painted black

[manic latch]

And of course Hazemeyer

[frozen kestrel]

Nevermind, gold one's slightly better

[frozen kestrel]

talk about being a stable gun platform

[junior trench]

it wasn't

it shook itself to death when firing

the radar especially

and for heavy AA triaxial mounts were found more troublesome than just having an effective stable vertical and associated fire control interlock

tl;dr why add even more gyros to every mount rather than having one or two especially good gyros with all the FC equipment you have to have anyway

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/V5FP37kmXdQ?si=wHP8IJpZ5fxM02vz

[alpine onyx]

Does it have to be in that camo, or will the mounts themselves work?

[somber knoll]

Agree, in addition, from a sea logistics standpoint Fremantle port is more convenient for the AU-SEA-China/Japan/Korea voyage loop rather than, say, making a specific route to East Coast. Not that it decreases the distance, mind.

Also, I am currently planning to move out to Perth area, need to check for work that my mate's agency can cover until I can get my own work visa.

[desert agate]

Just be careful, lots of visa related scams these days

[somber knoll]

My mate also warned that as well, as he advised to actually process the whole thing until after I can get a recommendation letter from the prospective employer.

[runic ermine]

Anniversary of Operation Market Garden today

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MGRmy3lKGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqMkWGljRC4

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/u57eMtz-PAE?si=usykg6qM09qPuzep

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1836139248430518583

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1939, HMS Courageous was torpedoed and sunk by U-29. Courageous was the first Royal Navy warship sunk by enemy forces during WWII and the world's first aircraft carrier lost in combat.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 8:24 PM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/Pdy4ZhRAppw?si=iV-Q_IH1gjdSyRD3

[junior trench]

blegh

the Object 172M-1-E5 is the export model of the T-72M1 that was used in the CSSR, East-Germany, Poland and Hungary, while the Object 172M-1-E6 was sold to India, Iraq, etc.

The only difference between the Object 172M-1-E5 and 172M-1-E6 is however the NBC protection suite; armor, fire control, gun, engine, etc. are all equal.

The same applies to the Object 172M-1-E3 (for members of the Warsaw Pact) and Object 172M-1-E4 versions of the T-72M: armor, fire control, gun, suspension, smoke grenade launchers, opctics, engine and transmission are identical, only the NBC protection is different - both the Object 172M-1-E-4 and Object 172M-1-E-6 were using the NBC protection of the Object 172M-E1, which is the original export version from 1975.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/rebekkarnold/status/1835663229013405909

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1836199753874301433

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's #NationalFoxDay. Because a fox-shaped spirit is an omen of doom in Japanese folklore, the U.S. developed a psychological warfare campaign during WWII that included a plan to release foxes sprayed with glow-in-the-dark paint in Japan. "Operation Fantasia" was never executed.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 12:25 AM

[unkempt sedge]

Just rediscovered this video. Kudos to Howard for having the sheer balls to jump out on the wing.

https://youtu.be/h7pnogIeCIQ?si=iAmDZDEYcAVA0XgA

Used U-boat.net to confirm it.

https://uboat.net/wwi/boats/successes/u156.html

[maiden citrus]

Aw yis

[lament hazel]

continuing my discussion from #al-general

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1836402682426200484?t=V9HaZ9Zxosz2ge_yIgNyJw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

There is no such thing as an invincible tank. #OTD in 1941 instructions were distributed among German troops showing how to stop even the newest Soviet tanks, although some of these methods bordered on suicidal. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 1:51 PM

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1836402685068623889?t=c7guk7yDpNeGctcvj5wzGw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

For example, German troops were instructed to climb up onto a T-34 with a bucket of mud and cover its viewports. It's unclear how this technique was supposed to be executed in combat. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 1:51 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjcx5f6h5p8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TZINhbH6YM

[nova axle]

Oh this looks amazing

[tribal mortar]

When Canarias in Azur Lane

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/-F7PbHSkFYI?si=StrxNQN-Rul5LUNT

[runic ermine]

I keep asking

Though technically they are in if the transfer ships and Mark Celeste count

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/g3EJ9Jl7CCw?si=ZC93j1Iy5oepfhXm

[fringe minnow]

Old ah reply on my end, but It's nice to see Alabama hasn't changed and she's still there

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/UPneWpfnuB8?si=pIIFNLqB0Y8ArZ58

[tribal mortar]

I had a fun time. They were working on her so half of one tour was blocked off but I still got to do the full yellow and red tour

[unkempt sedge]

Cool shorts on surplus torpedo gyroscopes.

USN WW2 Gyro:
https://youtube.com/shorts/JX1ymfFbHVs?si=iiDIgUqPysX66UZ3

https://youtube.com/shorts/lyG7pubs1FQ?si=MJMCUAkddlxlaLaL
And an ancient Whitehead torpedo gyro from 1895 (Fiume, Austria-Hungary).

[terse mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0230d9mp5WY

[timber linden]

One sister became the Langley and the other disappeared as well on the same route

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1836947889014153253?t=qedH-sVVMwXcb2nor68cQg&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

The German 563rd Tank Destroyer Battalion carried out field penetration trials against a KV-1 tank #OTD in 1941. The 105 mm howitzer could dent the armour but not penetrate it even at a range of 200 meters. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

[unkempt sedge]

Another surplus gyro. This time from a G7.

https://youtube.com/shorts/05TyRTbhIi8?si=B0cfzVjv8qZOQoDc

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/e3gjfXlWxHw?si=gvYLI3Uzt0QunUBP

[random mountain]

The shoe of death

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1837179415656067499?t=15w1J_-fglJTFEiaakEIsA&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

A turret from a King Tiger tank was recovered in good condition #OTD in 1944 and sent to the UK for analysis. Tests showed that the quality and consistency of German armour was slipping, even if the thickness of it kept increasing. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 5:18 PM

[rapid junco]

HMS Broadsword as seen from the sights of a FAA Dagger during the Falklands/Malvinas war

The same ship now sinking after being useda as a target this Tuesday (17)

[spring briar]

Falklands war

not Malvinas war

[rapid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[spring briar]

yeah but one side is actually stupid

[rapid junco]

Kind of kek

But we gave support more to Argentina rather than the British
Not that much tho

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRo6ZJJAOlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN-v0rdOnMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtuVGVaVwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGF0kUso54

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1837212378569576955

[unkempt sedge]

Bit of a video dump, but I was listening to these during the morning.

https://youtu.be/HWvERh_eK6M?si=PysL9UqLMKpdqeB6

https://youtu.be/zIBgUya_b_8?si=D8lpPSkOq3xaUUe3

https://youtu.be/szaztOfE6Wk?si=JHXnsZwq4HwxPAPV

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/K7U9vVHqN78?si=Utiu92CJkAf3GWgY

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/5Yc6e4T7SIw?si=keaspGoulkwKACvf

[shrewd pecan]

they replaced original CADPAT sooner than they replaced the hi power

[tawny pelican]

Wilhelm Gustloff, wtf this much worst than Titanic

https://youtu.be/4HR5IeCe0Tg?si=r2TLmxBO4B_yFQFj

[desert agate]

infographics show

🚮

[mental tapir]

Stupid/ignorant question: how is a B-52 better than a regular cargo plane retrofitted with bomber avionics, pylons and bomb bays, or would they be only marginally different in terms of performance?

[shrewd pecan]

its a purpose built aircraft and its harder to modify civilian aircraft with bomb bays and the other needed equipment

oddly enough the B-52s bomb bay can be used to haul cargo as well

[frozen kestrel]

Apparently, this photo was taken aboard Bismarck? Date unknown.

[frozen kestrel]

Can't really tell if it's Bismarck or Tirpitz, since there's really no defining features in the image that would signify which member of the Bismarck-class is in this photo

[narrow rover]

Come to think of it how can you distinguish those two boats

[desert agate]

There’s a lot more photos of tirpitz out there so I’d lean on it being her

[alpine onyx]

• Tirpitz' second 105mm pair was mounted further outside, on little wings, whereas they were almost hidden behind the crane on Bismarck
• If it has aft aa fire directors, it's Tirpitz
• if one or both of the foremost 105mm mounts is a C/37 mount, it's Tirpitz

Those are the three easiest

Also potato box, only on Tirpitz

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RoyalAirForce/status/1837227028874936612

[craggy girder]

Guys wake up Nelson dropped🙏🙏

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJmaRZC2ROE

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/IbWfUHEXZe4?si=bz3fCGViIXkql33R

https://youtu.be/MxV7DfbW0_E?si=Jggcvzb3opinPaSU

[runic ermine]

Ok I said it one and I'll say it again, this is a really cool way of showing the evolution of a country's uniform
https://youtu.be/vrkmomj3GTk?si=pj4OxLoBeln2LL4h

[narrow rover]

Save Japan
Fly it over wherever the Kodoha faction was planning the coup and drop a bomb on it

[unkempt sedge]

It would not have changed very much if nothing at all. Even the Tōseiha was not that much better, though they had a bit more common sense to work with the Zaibatsu, but that's about it. They were still militarist and expansionist just more cautious.

If you wanted to stop militarism in Japan (of course I'm using 20/20 hindsight here), the problem lays in that the Army and Navy should have been reigned in by the Japanese government's control rather than basically being a law onto themselves (govt. could not control them).

People can make fun of the Italian leadership all they want, but Japan's bureaucracy was an even bigger clown show.

[narrow rover]

I meant something like
Stop 2.26 before it happens
That incident was pretty much what kicked off the prelude to the 2nd sino-Japanese war
And later the Pacific war

Militarism in Japan can't be stopped... but the pacific war, probably could. Just that the circumstances, well, were just right for Japan to go ape shit

[unkempt sedge]

A clash between the U.S. & U.K., and Japan would still have been inevitable. One already had influence and the other two wanted more.

It would only have been postponed. Maybe by a decade at best.

Unless in some alternate Cold War universe, Japan gets nuclear weapons and the assurance of M.A.D. would prevent it. However, that is obviously picking at straws.

[narrow rover]

Probably, unless you do something radical to the European theater

Even if China and Japan were left alone to slug it out, no one side can really 'win'
So it really boils down to whoever has a revolution first lol

[unkempt sedge]

Well considering Japan and the KMT actually were on good terms in the 1920's and many of their officials had good connections with the Chinese government at that time.

Many Chinese officials, both govt. and military, at the time were educated in Japan, including Sun Yat Sen himself and Chiang Kai-Shek (Chiang Kai-Shek went to military school in Japan).

In a way had Japan NOT started the 2nd Sino-Japanese war, and instead (geopolitically speaking of course) pursued deeper ties and an alliance with China (it would be easier than most think), it would have been FAR greater to Japan's benefit than outright invading it (Whataboutism out of the way).

[narrow rover]

Blame the Kwantung Army and heaps of Kodoha officers expelled to Manchuria lmao

[unkempt sedge]

This

[narrow rover]

To be fair, I don't think a clash between Japan and China was avoidable
China at the time was a fucking free for all, Russia was also involved and the only reason they didn't stick their pp deeper was due to happenings in Europe

[unkempt sedge]

That's an understatement. China was a effing mess.

Warlords aside, the government had no real unified control over the country at all.

I blame Sun Yat Sen leaving the scene too early and Yuan Shikai's shenanigans at "I'm the emperor" being the cause.

If Japan helped the KMT defeat Mao's Communist faction. Then China would be split between factions allied with Japan and the USSR (USSR would back a splinter group of the KMT probably). Basically a proxy war between both powers.

[narrow rover]

I don't think it was even Sun Yat Sen
The Qing was actively ceasing to be a state for almost 200 years before it finally ended itself in 1911

[unkempt sedge]

The Qing was a doomed state. It should have fallen earlier.

It was basically allowed to fester because the European powers (and my country the U.S. to a lesser extent) because they wanted it to so they could continue to get all the trade benefits they wanted with China with very little push back.

[narrow rover]

Also goes into the decades old question of why Asia eventually fell behind
Not just the Qing, but many other Asian nations including Korea and Vietnam were also actively ceasing to be a functional state at the time
Minus Japan and Thailand
which were coincidentally a bit less connected to China

[unkempt sedge]

Late Joseon Dynasty Korea was not doing too well, primarily because they were a vassal in a way to the Qing. Which obviously at the time didn't care too much with what was happening there.

Korea stagnated pretty bad.

[narrow rover]

You do see a lot of South Korean literature blaming Confucius lol

Then again research into what failed Korea is pretty craptastic at the moment due to Korean politics

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1837482198460469572

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1956, the pilot of an F11F Tiger managed to shoot himself down. After going into a dive and test-firing his 20-mm cannons, he inadvertently outraced the rounds and then crossed their path. The fighter took multiple hits, forcing the pilot to crash land.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 1:21 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1837561832396996666

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1997, a computer glitch caused USS Yorktown (CG-48) to be dead in the water for almost three hours. The Yorktown had been upgraded through the Navy's "Smart Ship Program" but the propulsion system failed when the computers crashed after trying to divide by 0.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 6:37 PM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/UxUe5O-100Q?si=abyWphT5ySP8GUxI

[runic ermine]

I'm sorry what?

[desert agate]

Found a superior sabre

Sorry H fans and Canuck sabres but the CA-27 stays winning

[autumn sorrel]

Well, the rivalry between them are entirely intentional. The Emperor very much want absolute power over all military matter but he cannot completely control all faction and many of them only play along as long as they see benefits in the Emperor rule. So the Emperor do the next best thing, he make sure the Army and the Navy will never be unite, as long as there isn't someone who can command both the Army and the Navy, the Emperor position will be respected and honored because he is seen as the only neutral party who can theoretically mediate both side.

This has been the thing since the first Shogunate, as long as the Emperor don't interfere too much into politic, all Shoguns will still maintain the images of the Imperial Household as something divine and in return, the Emperor will legitimize the Shoguns authority.

[nova axle]

Germans had potential to build great warships but Hitler ruined it because he wanted big ships with big guns.

[manic latch]

Wrong

Main reason Scharnhorst class still kept 283mms so Hitler didn't made British angry

[nova axle]

not particullary what I meant

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/kBQP6A_BmQs?si=GDx6pLV9fQkDVK-B

https://youtu.be/hSEk4oMfvTs?si=zdcmoVQvU5qAtD6j

[unkempt sedge]

The entire Kido Butai in one video.

https://youtu.be/Pdy4ZhRAppw?si=645i6oNUhYbGDzld

[burnt scarab]

Thanks

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYrRfqTv-oY

[unkempt sedge]

Anytime bro.

[narrow rover]

Ehh, German military shipbuilding was severely limited by Versailles to begin with

[frozen junco]

https://youtu.be/VeJSI-gw8xI?si=L7r9j4XEK7Mo6_qH

[remote monolith]

Where's that Navyweaps page that details the incompetence of the Marineamt

[spring briar]

Nah

[junior trench]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-017.php

second half

I think

idk

tired

[subtle prawn]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-044.php

[frozen junco]

This is called a Holley stick, It is a collapsible fiberglass stick with a sickle on the end for probing the ground for the wires of IEDs.

It is named after GySgt. Floyd Holley who was an EOD Technician that was KIA by an IED.

GySgt. Holley took a long stick and duct taped a sickle to it while out on a mission to deal with some IEDs. Here GySgt. Holley and the rest of the EOD team with the sticks they made.

After he died oneof his team mates made sure his idea went to R&D so that the idea could be improved upon.

The stick that GySgt. Holley made that day save a lot of lives during that mission with only 2 fatalities.

[desert agate]

https://x.com/3brigadetsv/status/1838167848104907054?s=46

Brigadier Dave McCammon (@3BrigadeTSV) on X

Last week 3 RAR held a memorial service to commemorate the 25th anniversary of INTERFET and other East Timor operations. Wonderful to have such a great turn out from the local veteran community 🇦🇺

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 10:45 AM

[nova axle]

Indeed, but you could build good battleships and ships in general with that.

Look how belfast fucked up Scharnhorst.

[desert agate]

no, you could not

[nova axle]

Let us see. Can you list the treaty?

[desert agate]

German shipbuilding was drastically hampered by firstly the end of the first world war and subsequent downsizing and secondly nazi policies restricting Jewish people and other minorities from working in military industry

it is notably quite difficult to design a capable warship when you sent your best designers to a concentration camp

[narrow rover]

I mean, efforts to increase shipbuilding capacity only resulted in a metric shit ton of inexperienced engineers entering the KM design bureau.

[nova axle]

Yes, this.

Thanks

[narrow rover]

Very Soviet union-y

[nova axle]

can u send me some of those designers that got sent to the conc. camp

[spring briar]

Similar story to other navies

[narrow rover]

Considering the uhh, not nice attitudes the German military had towards minorities ever since WW1, I'd be surprised if a lot of jewish people were even in the navy at the time honestly

[nova axle]

Soviet union sent you to gulags regardless of ethnicity tho

[manic latch]

It's mostly if you have ties to older Tsar officials or friends with wrong person

[narrow rover]

I mean you gotta blame something for Bismarck's design

[nova axle]

Hm...WW1 or WW2 germany?

[manic latch]

Ww1 designs were ok

Ww2 ones get oof

[nova axle]

for WW1?

[manic latch]

For WW4

[nova axle]

😒

[manic latch]

Of course for WW1

Dummy

[desert agate]

very few high ranking designers were removed, most of them were lower ranked personnel who fled with their families overseas

[narrow rover]

Both honestly

Hatred towards minorities just didn't pop out of nowhere

[manic latch]

Nothing sucks more than Hipper class

[nova axle]

eh. I could not compare WW2 to ww1 germany

[manic latch]

Likely worst heavy cruiser design ever

[nova axle]

well duh the WW1 ships were used in WW2

[nova axle]

I am not saying it is good but what made it bad?

[manic latch]

I'm saying ww1 designs were ok for ww1 ffs

[narrow rover]

Nah
Some Russian designs were a lot more awful

[nova axle]

kk

[manic latch]

What

Tell one

More inefficient than Hipper

[nova axle]

sends Victorian Era ship

[narrow rover]

'Inefficient'
I mean, at least Hipper's guns can shoot something
Meanwhile Kirov's barrles....

[manic latch]

Turtleback on a heavy cruiser which causes main belt armor to be reduced

8 guns for a ship of that size while 3x3 would give an extra gun

[manic latch]

Kirov's barrels can shoot

They were made with Italian tools

[nova axle]

How to do armour on a heavy cruiser?

[manic latch]

127-150mm belt like USN

[nova axle]

USN?

[manic latch]

United States Navy

[narrow rover]

Yea, tearing its riflings apart even before spending its magazine

[manic latch]

That's called high velocity guns

That's why Japanese 100mm has short barrel life as well

[nova axle]

Oh, I thought you meant specific ship

[manic latch]

And some Italian guns

[narrow rover]

Still pretty bad

[manic latch]

300 ain't so bad

It's gives shell higher penetration and range

Also like

Hipper is almost x2 heavier than a Kirov lmao

[nova axle]

lol

[manic latch]

Ok let me help you understand it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore-class_cruiser

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Hipper-class_cruiser

Compare the stats of this two

You will see why Hippers suck

[maiden citrus]

yeah, a hipper has less firepower and less anti air than any USN heavy cruiser while having roughly the armor protection of an atlanta, they are grossly overweight for their capability, in worst and least efficient ships put to service they are probably far up there

[spring briar]

Not a turtleback

[nova axle]

Baltimore with

Belt armor: 4–6 in (102–152 mm)
Deck: 2.5 in (64 mm)
Turrets: 1.5–8 in (38–203 mm)
Barbettes: 6.3 in (160 mm)
Conning tower: 6.5 in (165 mm)
Bulkheads: 6 in (152 mm)
Hipper with
Belt: 70 to 80 mm (2.8 to 3.1 in)
Armor deck: 20 to 50 mm (0.79 to 1.97 in)
Turret faces: 105 mm (4.1 in)
This?

Also baltimore was not limited by treaty of versailles

[manic latch]

Ah yes

Hipper is surely Versailles allowed

Surely

[spring briar]

Compare hipper to Algérie

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-lie-to-me-walt-dont-lie-to-me-dont-lie-walter-white-lie-breaking-bad-lie-gif-16241525839372559532

[spring briar]

No krem

[manic latch]

It's more than %50 thickness of the main plate

That's gotta be called turtleback

[nova axle]

How about this. shall u send heavy cruiser that is better than hipper but developed in similar/same time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_London_(69)

[manic latch]

Oh I will give better and older one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Algérie

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-throw-up-throw-up-vomit-gif-10672287

[nova axle]

Now for the armour

[spring briar]

The Kents predate the hipper by almost a decade

[manic latch]

Algerie has more armor belt

Hipper is a shit design

[nova axle]

and she has better arnament

wait no

just better design

[spring briar]

Algérie and Noleans beloved

[nova axle]

were O class cruisers better designed?

wait

those are battlecruisers

sorry

[manic latch]

[nova axle]

P class

yes

[manic latch]

Those aren't heavy cruisers either

[nova axle]

what is prinz heinrich then?

[manic latch]

P class

[spring briar]

There is a small 50mm section true

But that alone does NOT make a turtleback

[manic latch]

Surely

[nova axle]

I mean, it is heavy cruiser innit?

[spring briar]

[nova axle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-class_cruiser

Heavy cruiser

[spring briar]

Kind of

But the P class is more than twice as heavy than Algerie

[nova axle]

They are panzerschiff - pocket battleships

Which makes me ask

were panzerschiffs good?

Deutschland class

is Panzerschiff

[manic latch]

Yes

[spring briar]

Pocket battleship was a stupid british term

[nova axle]

Would they be deadlier if Germans kept their designers and developed better radars?

[spring briar]

The P class is still twice as heavy as the Deutschlands btw

[nova axle]

ofc

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

No

[nova axle]

well hitler wanted big ships with big guns (see Maus tank as reference)

[spring briar]

They had very bad projectiles

[nova axle]

I see.

What else?

[manic latch]

No

[nova axle]

Sorry.

[manic latch]

God I hate history channel

[nova axle]

Go on.

[nova axle]

I am listening, correct me.

I do not mind

[manic latch]

Hitler lost his trust on BBs when Bismarck sank

[nova axle]

True, agreed.

[desert agate]

the issues with german warship design run deep and cannot be solved with a handful of changes, they run back decades to before even the franco prussian war

[nova axle]

Alright.

[spring briar]

But yeah this is just….

[desert agate]

you could make the hippers a better design by changing some stuff around but the changes would more or less necessitate the nazis not existing which defeats the purpose of the exercise

[manic latch]

"Previously, I planned to build the most powerful battleship squadron in the world and intended to name 2 of them Hutten and Berlichingen . Now I am very pleased that I abandoned this idea.

If we had such a squadron, then we would have a moral obligation to use it. What is the practical application for it today?  She would be destined to play the role of "the last of the knights."
The development of weapons these days is so rapid that now the "infantry of the seas" is of paramount importance. Apart from submarines, our biggest need is for small ships: powerful corvettes, destroyers, etc. - these are the classes that lead the main fight.
Today, the Japanese have the most powerful battle fleet in the world, but it is very difficult for them to use it for its intended purpose. For them, the biggest danger comes from the air. Remember Bismarck ."

-AH, June 1943

[spring briar]

“Most powerful battleship squadron in the world”

[manic latch]

Hitler was supporting small ships in 1943

[spring briar]

2 H class

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[nova axle]

🤣

[manic latch]

6*

He named 2 only

[spring briar]

Reread first paragraph krem

[nova axle]

and I assume the German CVs were shit

[manic latch]

2 of them

Which implies there is more

[spring briar]

Ok ok true

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Have a pjotr velikiy

[manic latch]

They never existed

So can't call it shit

[nova axle]

wait what....graf zeppelin was not built?

My bad

[manic latch]

Duh

[nova axle]

damn

[manic latch]

She wasn't finished

[nova axle]

so let me ask this

the design

[manic latch]

What AL does to people

[nova axle]

Eh.....WoWs hurt me more as I played it more...

[manic latch]

First carriers are always bad designs

[nova axle]

so Wows rather than AL

[manic latch]

Zeppelin had casemates

Which is bad choice

[nova axle]

💀

[spring briar]

Twin casemates

[nova axle]

☠️

[manic latch]

Akagi, Bearn, Kaga had them as well but they were conversions

Zeppelin was a brand new design

[nova axle]

true

Now

my question is

Z46

[spring briar]

Nothing special

[nova axle]

hm

[maiden citrus]

the japanese in 1943 be like

thanks for the confidence boost allies but uh...

[manic latch]

Musashi's rig remains me this

I wonder if it's inspired lol

[spring briar]

post Meiji restoration Japan
uses samurai in propaganda

Ironic

[manic latch]

I like this one

Anti-Dreadnought race poster

All food goes to Ares

[maiden citrus]

visually strange but interesting

[spring briar]

Guy in the back is Radahn

[runic ermine]

Tbh the axis had some really good looking propaganda

The allies did too

[narrow rover]

My favorite saying about Japan in this time probably comes from Edwin Reischauer... that almost all of what made the Meiji restoration possible was already established under the Tokugawa shogunate

So the 'Meiji oligarchy' as it was called could just jump onboard the already rolling train, replace the crew and take all the credit for their own

So yea, they didn't ditch the whole Samurai thing. If anything the Meiji restoration and its consequences distorted its image and laid the seeds for what was to come... though this is with almost 100 years of hindsight so who the fuck knows.

[spring briar]

Ik, it’s just interesting

[unkempt sedge]

Well the Samurai that were smart joined the Imperial Army or Navy and got nice cushy jobs and promotions would benefit in the long term by raising up through the Meiji government's hierarchy.

The Samurai that did not would end up dirt poor at the bottom.

A pretty good example being Saburo Sakai's ancestors. They were Samurai who in the end were forced to be farmers. As a result his childhood was anything BUT luxurious. Life was dirt poor and harsh.

Capt. Tameichi Hara's family of Samurai lineage also became farmers after the restoration.

It all depended on what side of the line you were on.

[remote monolith]

the Tokugawa and the Meiji/Showa era pretty much completely upended the image of Samurai in Japan and in abroad yeah

[alpine onyx]

Wat?

The turtleback did not force a thinner belt at all

Is this a "if no turtleback, can do 120mm belt and 50mm deck on same tonnage" sort of comment or what?

[spring briar]

Its not even a turtleback

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/P9lUjTEjVVM?si=SjabmE4VLCNsRkyk

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/3d6shqkB8lI?si=lkxqiJrrYmH3lvV9

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLR-lQpX85I

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/9RkWZgAGorA?si=xjs-p70xgtj_-Sv5

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/8Ei3ydJD12w?si=EnJh7NxOgDGI1xqZ

[burnt scarab]

Kirin, about that zero fighter. It was use in the battle of Singapore. A lot of the Brewster Baffalo were shot down by these zero fighter

[runic ermine]

Who had the worst standard issue rifle of ww2?

[autumn sorrel]

Denmark and Norway, Krag is an excellent rifle, robust and accurate but the design of the magazines and the lack of quicker reload method mean they often come short in a straight up firefight. Not worst per se but compare to contemporary rifle, not great either.

[runic ermine]

I remember reading that a speedloader type thing was in development but not adopted. I'll try to find an image

[autumn sorrel]

Generally, all countries coming into WW2 are armed with proven rifle that have been throughly tested and combat proven. Now if you count last ditch weapons as standard issue then German and Japanese come real close but Volksturm line of rifle are not really use anywhere other than the Volksturm, and Japanese use smoothbore matchlock so it isn’t really a “rifle”.

[autumn sorrel]

It is a small box, speedloader for Krag only exist nowadays for competitive shooting.

[runic ermine]

I'm not counting last ditch rifles because of how "hap hazard" they can be

[runic ermine]

Well at least it got used for something

[runic ermine]

I made a mini chart of the countries who adopted a different system rather than just an updated version of their ww1 rifle

US: Springfield -> M1 Garand
France: Lebel -> MAS-36
China: Hanyang 88 -> Type 24
Romania: M93 -> vz. 24
Hungary: 95M -> 35M

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/USNavyCNO/status/1838527490974793937

USNavyCNO (@USNavyCNO) on X

Today we celebrate a revolutionary moment in our Navy's history - it's the 64th anniversary of the launch of USS Enterprise (CVN 65), the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 10:34 AM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/mnb5qMPhjFY?si=LmYruG88dIB90k58

[unkempt sedge]

The Buffalo was obsolete when it entered service.

Plus, Brewster as a company was a mess when it came to fighter aircraft. If anyone knows of the lisenced produced F3A Corsair nightmare, you will understand.

Despite the record it made with the Finns, it only was facing I-15, 16's, and I-153's. Two of which being biplanes. The performance was similar.

However the performance of a Zero vs a Buffalo is night and day.

Plus, Brewster was a shit company IMO. You know it bad when the U.S. Navy has to literally sieze your plant.

[unkempt sedge]

A perfect example of a joke from Brewster.

He does mention the F3A at the end.
https://youtu.be/UL0qaYXGHhg?si=LhDEndJcBDmn_xKB

[lament wedge]

ah yes... brewster

but hey, credit is where credit is due... their fighter have the highest K/D ratio

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1838567058503504218?t=M7TCIW06h_vrTC-mR2ChRA&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Work on 122 mm guns with muzzle velocities of 1000 m/s began #OTD in 1943. These guns were designed to fight future German superheavy tanks, although since those tank never showed up there wasn't much pressure to put the guns into mass production. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 1:12 PM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/pNkkNdUZxOA?si=xikewCMIKLKSbvXH

https://youtu.be/zyqLC0hoIPU?si=Rg7gwUFM6uBPPF4H

https://youtu.be/D22azJabJ04?si=aaWHEJskj0LT-TAj

[inland thicket]

the 122 always feels like extreme overkill

There's already firepower to knock out heavies and disable super heavies without escalating to a 122mm with the 100mm.

[spring briar]

Guns of such caliber were needed because armor plates got thicker beyond the ability of the smaller caliber flat headed APHE shells to penetrate them (because of poor hardness characteristics of these shells)

So they needed bigger guns to punch trough with sheer momentum

[runic ermine]

Ok this is pretty crazy
https://www.classicfm.com/composers/mozart/new-work-leipzig-municipal-library/

[unkempt sedge]

I guess the designers at B&V got access to the Austrian painter's Amphetamine stash.

The latter looks sane by comparison.

https://youtu.be/ysqw4NGQODg?si=j-RKE7eF7kBjCTFT

https://youtu.be/0XLyrW5AItY?si=8Hu1qi7AOKUKvD7b

[frozen kestrel]

A minor downside I just found. When it come to retrofit ships, this document only lists equipment that would be mounted post-retrofit. So if anyone decides to use this, keep that in mind.

[unkempt sedge]

Noted! Thanks for all that you do m8!

[frozen kestrel]

I don't make/ edit the document, but thanks anyways.

[unkempt sedge]

I'm off and on so I sometimes forget who actually does these spreadsheets.

But, I still appreciate the heads up

[frozen kestrel]

this has given me seratonin. thank you.

[unkempt sedge]

Glad I could help bro.

[desert agate]

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/rearmament-milestone-achieved-in-northern-australia/

[magic falcon]

Question, what was the reasoning or motive behind the Japanese WWII planes being so light and lacking in passive defenses, like armor and self-sealing membranes? I would expect with their chronic natural resource issues, it would make more sense for them to prioritize survivability of the equipment to some extent.

Was it doctrinal? Lack of technical expertise? Or was it mechanical? (I know they had a lot of difficulty making/procuring quality powerful engines for a while)

[cunning salmon]

Well it was cheap and effective

Until the US decided to create better naval fighters

[magic falcon]

I see, i guess i'm not entirely convinced that creating borderline disposable planes is a sensible strategy for a nation lacking in both resources and manpower

I suppose some of that doubt though may be from hindsight perception of the actual course of the war vs the prevailing contemporary view during the development phase of many of these aircraft

[eternal veldt]

For the A6M at least, being light was the key reason why it was so maneuverable and excellent at dogfighting - Later models like the A6M5 did receive self-sealing fuel tanks, but at the cost of its performance. This is more @chilly flower 's stage, so I'll let him reply in a paragraph.

[oak harness]

IIRC the main issue with Imperial Japan's aircraft were engines, i.e. making them powerful enough and efficient enough space/weight wise and maybe kinda-sorta steel supplies had something to do with that. So for IJA/IJN warplanes the key was lightness-lightness-lightness. Skip things like armor and self-sealing fuel tanks to make them lighter and thus faster and more maneuverable and that plus the quality of their pilots would make up any difference. This became a shortcoming when the US started making absolutely Monstrous engines plus changes in tactics to leverage that superiority and given how long the lead-time was in training the 'superior' Japanese pilots and each plane knocked down generally meant at least one less aircrew getting back up in the air attrition quickly took it's toll.

[grave ravine]

Yeah A6M's very lightweight design was motivated by a combination of engine limitations and the desire to push the envelope with performance, particularly range

Combat range was a key performance goal for the IJN, since strike range was a major priority for their aircraft carriers

Saying the A6M is an excellent dogfighter is slightly misleading, the plane did turn quite well, particularly at low speeds, but veteran pilots (in both the IJN and USN) valued speed and acceleration more than turning performance

Though A6M was by no means a slow plane as far as early war fighters went, though it would be outpaced by newer allied models

[chilly flower]

First of all, to contextualize things, for 1940-41 aircraft protection features (self sealing fuel tanks, armor plating, armored glass, etc) were still very new in most air forces. The IJN was hardly different in that regard. The USN itself was still in the process of fitting protection features like self sealing tanks on a large scale by mid 1942 or so, for example. Some of the few exceptions would be VVS (the Soviets), the IJA (yes really!), and the Luftwaffe, who were some of the earliest adopters of aircraft protection, in large part because of war experience (Spanish Civil War, Winter War, Second Sino-Japanese War, etc) prior to the outbreak of WW2. By late 1942 and 1943 however, protection features start to become very commonly installed on existing designs and especially new designs in nearly every air force, and this is were the IJN is abnormal in their failure to integrate them for most of their aircraft types (with perhaps a few exceptions, e.g. the Kawanishi H8K "Mavis") until late 1944 and 1945.

As for reasoning for why it wasn't considered sooner in the IJN, the main reasons would be performance and range. Performance in particular was generally a somewhat bigger concern, in part as a consequence of struggles in engine development and introduction of majorly new aircraft designs (many of which relied on engines in the 2,000 hp range that Japan was having some major issues with, both developmentally and actual mechanical/reliability problems) until 1944-45. Even on designs from 1943 and early-mid 1944 they largely lacked protection features because it had too much of an impact on their performance and range, e.g. early models of the B6N featured self sealing tanks but completely dropped them due to the performance cost. The Zero didn't receive anything of the sort until the A6M5b and c models, and the former only had a piece of armored glass on the windscreen at that, with the A6M5c fitting an actual plate behind the seat. Only the experimental A6M6 even fitted self-sealing tanks too (the A6M5 had carbon dioxide fire extinguishers fitted to it's fuel tanks, but this doesn't achieve the same thing that self-sealing tanks do). The A6M5 specifically was meant to enhance performance at that, with shorter wings and other changes to get more speed and climb performance, which is why they even started to incorporate protection with it at all. Even when the IJN did start to introduce self-sealing tanks on a wider scale, it didn't have that much of an affect on survivability because the self-sealing tanks they designed were only designed against rifle caliber (7.7mm) machine guns rather than .50 caliber (12.7mm), which is what US self-sealing tanks were designed to stop (and inadvertently had other benefits on how tough and shock-proof they were when subjected to 20mm guns and AA).

Another thing to consider is that protection features do have an impact on an aircraft's weight, but in particular for self-sealing tanks, they also lose out on a bit of fuel capacity relative to an unprotected tank of the same size. For the IJN in particular, maintain a long range was very important for most of their carrier based aircraft, but also many of their land-based types as well that needed the range in the expanses of the Pacific. This reasoning, combined with sluggish development of new aircraft types and genuine failure to seriously see the writing on the wall, meant that the IJN completely lagged behind everyone else. This isn't to say that Japanese aircraft on the whole lacked protection, as the IJA pretty widely incorporated them into aircraft design from the Ki-21 onward.

It should also be established that protection features don't solely determine how tough and rugged an aircraft is, they absolutely play a part, but the size of an aircraft and it's structural strength are generally more important. A Ki-43 and a P-47 model from the same timeframe as each other may both have the same level of armor protection, but the P-47 is going to be a lot more survivable on account of it's massive fuselage meant for housing it's turbocharger, as well as how strongly the majority of US aircraft were built.

Two excellent videos on the subject of aircraft protection in particular
https://youtu.be/-v5aMayFrRE?si=u-HNiVDBHBYmiXvv
https://youtu.be/w79xozi5c8U?si=2L8jqo0ZytX-4sZL

and a very good look at effectiveness (or rather lack thereof) of Japanese self-sealing tanks related to the highlighted portion
https://youtu.be/aAd13RLLQqs?si=0Jc7vmlVhW6BgPTn

[chilly flower]

I should also clarify that Japanese aircraft aren't flimsily built per se, but rather just that most US designs are so rugged that it seems that way by comparison

that and dimensionally most Japanese types are simply small, at least next to US counterparts

[chilly flower]

@magic falcon

[grave ravine]

I also think to a certain extent the reputation for ruggedness also stems from the armament of Japanese aircraft

its easy to absorb a lot of 7.7

[chilly flower]

Aye, though US fighters withstood even cannon armament reasonably well

[grave ravine]

yeah fair enough

[chilly flower]

It's also pretty hard to compete against .50 cal API tbf

[grave ravine]

yeah

[chilly flower]

light aircraft mulcher 9000

[magic falcon]

thanks for all the explanation, that clears up a lot for me

[grave ravine]

I think its again just worth noting the IJN's doctrinal emphasis on range as an absolute priority, since they believed it was imperative for their carriers to be able to strike further than their opponents

[magic falcon]

yeah, i knew they needed heavy aircraft investment due to the expanse of the pacific, but i didn't quite appreciate the range-tradeoffs that went into some of the decisions there

[grave ravine]

I think its quite arguable whether the emphasis on strike range actually brought any value to the IJN, since with hindsight they were seriously limited by their lacking aerial reconnaissance practices, but its also kind of a given that prewar doctrine will be flawed in various ways

[chilly flower]

In the context of the IJN it is honestly not all that great even if it did have benefits, like at Rabaul (but god forbid you actually get sent to Rabaul)

[magic falcon]

seriously thanks for typing all that out though, i had been reading a lot of aircraft engineering stuff from the era the past week or so, but in regards to the IJN planes, a lot of it just ended along the lines of "And this essentially meant it was a flying cardboard box full of explosive fuel."

so all of that together makes sense now to me, why, at the time, they would be engineering along those lines

[chilly flower]

No problem

[narrow rover]

Hands down China
Bad rifle is better than... no rifle, which seems to have been quite common in that region

Also sometimes 'standard issue' rifles hammered out by the local blacksmith (he's been kidnapped out of his town by the NRA and has no motivation to work whatsoever)

[runic ermine]

Yeah. Sometime i forget that china had sword battalions

[narrow rover]

If you look at famous Kung Fu masters that were active in China at the time, a lot of their stories involve fighting off bandits or later Japanese soldiers

Usually in the latter case the story is fake, because a Japanese solider would have just shot the guy

[oak harness]

"Their guns... are much stronger... than our Kung-Fu...." Master 'Iron Shirt' Yim, after getting shot.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1839419695092425210

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1983, Lt-Col Stanislav Petrov disregarded protocol by not notifying his superiors after a Soviet nuclear early-warning system indicated that the U.S. had launched five missiles. The false alarm could have triggered a retaliatory strike and large-scale nuclear war.

Twitter · Sep 26, 2024, 9:40 PM

[lament wedge]

I have a curious question that no one ask... Why did the US Navy shorten the barrel of their 6 inch guns ???

The Omaha class is 52 caliber... while Brooklyn and beyond are 47 caliber

wont that reduce the velocity ?

[manic latch]

Yup

/47 had worse velocity

But she had heavier shell ( capable of using the "super heavy" AP projectile. These new projectiles had almost double the penetration performance when compared against the older 6"/53 (15.2 cm) AP projectiles used for the Omaha class (CL-4) light cruisers) and higher rate of fire

I'm not sure why US reduce barrel lenght however

You reduce barrel lenght when you want more barrel life, cheaper construction, and lighter turret

[lament wedge]

yeah I also thought it made them look werid... a ship with stubby barrels

[unkempt sedge]

Good video series on the Ki-84 (one of my favorites). It's a lot ro watch but, worth it if your into Japanese planes.

https://youtu.be/gRQvnCfEbNA?si=Y0W2Cd43AbKD2eU-

https://youtu.be/nR__0zewk2o?si=odeVKelc9HrH6Td3

https://youtu.be/wiDthd376wk?si=W-hqTgcQBdQeVJhi

https://youtu.be/PUwcAbuvLOU?si=3u_kxUb5S1ESgqWI

[chilly flower]

why do I have two ghost pings here

[ivory ridge]

@chilly flower

here a real one to compensate

[chilly flower]

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/lPBGqZTdfBU?si=qUswmzo0_bhHHOiw

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfHzFazEYU

[unkempt sedge]

Does anyone here know anything about swords?

I know next to nothing about them and I got a very dumb question.

Is Musashi's sword in game (the one she holds, not the one her rigging uses) an O-Katana and not a Katana due to blade length? Or is it an Odachi?

[remote monolith]

Its a Katana at any rate, idk how long that blade is though

Nodachis are two-handed with a longer handle than that

[unkempt sedge]

So basically just a very big O-Katana then.

Thanks!

[unkempt sedge]

This video helped me a lot!

https://youtu.be/hUpdkb2jdn0?si=jg-2_WlbsFg3-xaN

Funnily enough then, the sword in Musashi's oath skin (which appears different from the one she usually uses) is actually a Tachi then due to the way it's hung at her waist with the sharp edge downwards.

Also it's technically a Nodachi (bigger version of Tachi) due to handle and blade length.

[random trench]

Nodachi is a good term maybe

Literally just a two handed katana

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/notsonarwhals/status/1839375987219570995

toastynarwhals mk.2 (@notsonarwhals) on X

halt

Twitter · Sep 26, 2024, 6:46 PM

[spice nova]

what type of Bradley is that?

[shrewd pecan]

looks like a M2A1

[shrewd pecan]

Could be a M3A1

Though looks like it has the firing port holes in the back

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/KD0SYy-stt4?si=o97zfka8Oqo5nJxv

[runic ermine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hF_yP5OESVQ?si=ZmVglCHn04nsdr8B

[manic latch]

https://x.com/KrypTanko/status/1839672272644182159?t=j5uuFm2pF8mXLcxnCb5Beg&s=19

Odd Tank Poster (@KrypTanko) on X

Today’s “odd tank” is Thailand’s M60A3.

This M60A3 has been modified with metal racks and filled with wood logs to act as a type of spaced armor. These racks have been applied to the sides of the turret and hull.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 2:23 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1839709092421456333

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1941, the U.S. launched the first 14 of a new class of cargo ship that FDR said would help protect "the liberty of the free people of the world." 2,710 Liberty ships were built between 1941 and 1945. It was the largest number of ships ever produced to a single design.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:50 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1839778727120552194

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Six projectiles from the forward turrets of USS Missouri's 16-inch guns can be seen in flight at the right of this 1945 photo. Note the area of turbulence in the water caused by the blast.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 9:26 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.travis.af.mil/News/Display/Article/3919629/travis-afb-bids-farewell-to-last-kc-10/

[random trench]

Rest in peace

Literally carried the entire air fleet on its back with refuelling

Thank you

[subtle prawn]

And its replacement is still having problems, last I checked

[shrewd pecan]

the ghost of McDonnell Douglas and its consquences

all while the KC-135 keeps serving

[unkempt sedge]

Still with us with the KC-46.

The McDonnell Douglas curse lives on.

McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money.

[unkempt sedge]

Should have went with the KC-45 Northrop Grumman proposed.

[subtle prawn]

Boeing had a lot of lobbying power to have the results of the original aerial tanker competition be overturned and be redone

[shrewd pecan]

should of just bought both if I'm gonna be honest

[unkempt sedge]

IDK. Maybe it would have worked. If one had more problems, then buy one of the other.

That however would have been even more expensive.

[subtle prawn]

I sincerely doubt Boeing would have let a foreign design be selected for something so important on their watch

[unkempt sedge]

True. However with Boeing's recent failures and problems.

I'd say going Airbus is the best option.

I mean we do now use Eurocopters a la UH-72.

The old Boeing was good Boeing. Modern Boeing is a joke.

Only good thing they have going for them and seem to be doing right is the F-15EX.

[subtle prawn]

The P-8A Poseidon and the E-7A Wedgetail don't seem to be going through many problems

[unkempt sedge]

Hopefully they don't.

[shrewd pecan]

to be fair the KC-46s working with quite a few new technologies that the previous KC-767s didn't need to deal with

[subtle prawn]

On a another note, I'm not sure how the Stryker is considered to be American enough despite the fact they aren't even made in the U.S. whereas the KC-45 would have had the A330s be assembled in Alabama and converted by Northrop Grumman

Boeing was also considering an aerial tanker to be based on the 777 as well iirc before they went with what would later be the KC-46

[unkempt sedge]

With NATO interoperability among member states. It opened for foreign arms companies to sell or produce equipment here in the U.S.

The days of domestic only, not foreign companies are long gone.

As for a tanker version of the 777. That would have been interesting. However, a tanker of that size was probably not really necessary

[unkempt sedge]

Don't forget the scandal with the KC-767 either.

That being said I agree with the technology part.

[subtle prawn]

I think that's the reason why it was canned besides the fact the A330 MRTT probably would have been cheaper than the KC-777

[unkempt sedge]

Yeah. Despite the slightly larger capacity. The A330 MRTT (KC-45) would have been FAR cheaper and you could make more of them.

And the 777 is not really that much bigger than an A330 anyway.

[shrewd pecan]

I generally just think buying a even split of both would of just made more sense from both a MIC sense and a risk assessment sense

[subtle prawn]

I'm not so sure if Boeing would be keen on that idea…

[shrewd pecan]

Boeing wouldn’t be too keen about me fucking their wife but this isn’t about what Boeing thinks about things

Also ngl the concept of tankers converted from civilian aircraft is potentially growing more and more risky for a survivable tanker fleet

[manic latch]

They are better than tankers converted from military transport

Reason why Russia and China use tankers that was converted from transport is likely because they lacked the passenger plane with desired requirement

[shrewd pecan]

no even those are gonna run into the exact same issue

the issue is that everyone and their mother are starting to field extended range air to air missiles that can wreck havoc on conventional refuelers and AWACs aircraft

It’s why shit like this is being proposed

Since tankers are either gonna have to be unmanned and semi disposable or able to hide to avoid destruction

I’m gonna be honest here no one’s tankers are gonna be doing well when AIM-174s and PL-21 ones are being flung at 400 + KMs

[manic latch]

I was laughed upon in a community when I proposed SM missiles for planes

Who is laughing now

[shrewd pecan]

Yeah I’m gonna be honest here I wouldn’t want to be the IL-76 on the receiving end of a AIM-174 being guided in by a F-35C

I’m gonna be honest here I’m a big proponent of just smacking RIM-174s on everything

They should just integrate that bitch into patriot and THAAD

[manic latch]

And rapid* dragon

[shrewd pecan]

Airforce should get it for the F-15Es and for external carriage on the 35s

[manic latch]

EX

[shrewd pecan]

Doesn’t really make sense for rapid dragon

getting that to work would be nightmarish since the cargo aircraft would have to somehow guide in the missile

vs JASSM where it can just be preprogrammed

[unkempt sedge]

I actually find it funny though. We had the Standard Missile series for a long time now and only now we decided to convert it into an a2a missile

Question is will the Air Force get the AIM-174 also or not.

Air Force will probably need their own missile as the Navy is probably not gonna wanna share.

[unkempt sedge]

Unless they are fitted with EW equipment as standard.

Then again, that will not solve the problem either.

Another question is how much cheaper will a stealth drone tanker cost? I mean with all the stealth hardware included, the price goes up.

[shrewd pecan]

depends on how stealthy you make it

also per unit its likely gonna be cheaper than a conventional refueler regardless if its something like the navy's current program

[unkempt sedge]

Curious if the Air Force wanted a missile similar to AIM-174 the Navy uses.

How smart would it be to convert Patriot missiles for a2a use?

THAAD missiles iirc are simply too big.

Or is it better off developing something new entirely?

[unkempt sedge]

I'd assume very stealthy.

[shrewd pecan]

patriots been tested like that before, though JATM and LREW are the Air Forces current AIM-120 replacement/longer range missile programs

there's a proposal somewhere for

air to air patriot

and its in german

[unkempt sedge]

Curious how old the article is?

[shrewd pecan]

2009

[unkempt sedge]

Thanks!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCAn-ESx98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2D9WMwMjSw

[grave ravine]

Very long range AAMs aren't of value of you don't have radars that can see that far out, and I'm still of the opinion that AIM-174B is intended as much as a strike weapon as an AAM

[grave ravine]

F-35s still can't talk to SHs unless you have an Aegis BL9 ship acting as an intermediary

Unless they got CMN-4 on F-35s, regular link-16 doesn't have the throughput to guide in missiles IIRC

[grave ravine]

We are now at the point where IBCS and NIFC-CA can share information, you can network Aegis systems with Patriots and THAADs

[runic ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

Yes but that event can be a bit "political and sensitive" so just be careful ok

[unkempt sedge]

Careful bro.

We don't need flamewars here.

This is why I try to stay away from the modern stuff.

Why is it I have to go to Reddit out of all places to get info like this

OP must have been on the JP net and surfing through the threads on Secret Projects Forum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/3AErLrNhFx

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kawanishi-n1k-shiden-unbuilt-variants-and-derivatives.3494/#post-199800

At least I now know they actually tested the Shiden on a carrier (Shinafloof).

The N1K5 looks sick btw with that nose redesign for the Ha-43.

[unkempt sedge]

Oh! Greg dropped a video

https://youtu.be/y_mJXDH8sDw?si=g87gxJJk7WEVNvJV

[runic ermine]

Funniest description of this flag that I've ever seen

[spice nova]

isn't that Rhodesian flag?

[ivory ridge]

~~like the felon that got fucked by a cardboard drone ~~

[runic ermine]

Yes

[spice nova]

why is it in Iceland bruh

[runic ermine]

Idk

[junior trench]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-97_Seekbat

[unkempt sedge]

Guess someone from Rhodesia moved there ?

[unkempt sedge]

Ah so it was attempted earlier! Now I know. Thanks for this!

Probably never being adopted is why I never heard of it.

[spice nova]

maybe

[lament hazel]

NJ, Missouri, Long Beach - off Yokosuka coast, Japan,1989

[shrewd pecan]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1840169936850702389

[desert agate]

Firstly don’t talk about modern conflicts
Secondly you clearly have no idea how combat actually works

[desert agate]

No such place
It’s called Zimbabwe

[unkempt sedge]

It "used" to be called Rhodesia, but we all know how that turned out.

But, yeah it's Zimbabwe now obviously.

[timber linden]

That meme where it's point at a map to Zimbabwe and Rhodesia is in the heart

Wonder the historical ramifications of the Tosa target practice. I remember seeing that it poisoned the minds of the ijn admiralty and made thier ap shells more ineffective

[unkempt sedge]

This was posted here years ago so I'll post it again.

This explains it.

https://youtu.be/IM2paE0RIzE?si=67VbmSZM7wvozdkl

[timber linden]

thank you

[desert agate]

Rhodesians after they come into contact with 7.62x39 (suddenly they die now)

[desert agate]

Realistically not much given that Japanese surface gunnery was still pretty solid most of the time and the few occasions where the IJNs heavy hitters did engage their poor AP shells were of little consequence to the engagement

[junior trench]

the cruisers definitely suffered for it

in the same action where the Japanese scored their only known direct hit with a diving shell on Boise (into the powder magazines which didn't detonate due to the hit flooding the compartment and considering Savannah did experience a powder detonation in the same place and survived...), they also scored a direct above water hit on the same ship, right into the barbette of mount I, at a range of only ~7500 yards

the results of which, to quote to damage report, were not very promising

The hardened face of the armor separated in large flakes and the tough back flowed with the projectile as would be expected (photo No. 11). Apparently the projectile was cracked open by the impact with the hard face of the armor as there was no explosion, only a fizzing or burning action which was heard for several seconds and filled the turret with smoke. The lower side of the projectile was blown out into fragments, the largest of which was about 2 inches by 4 inches. Aside from the hole the nose made in the circular bulkhead and a crushed vertical web outboard of the gun girder there was no damage inside the barbette.

this occurred near simultaneously with the diving shell hit, and the relatively short lived fire from that hit did force the abandonment of turrets I and II

in reference to the underwater hit, it's also notable that even with the water ingress which ultimate prevented a more major fire, there were powder charges in the affected area which never started burning in the first place

[junior trench]

the hit described here was with an 8" AP projectile against 6" of Class face hardened armor

and as mentioned, occurred at around 7500 yards

at 10 km (~11,000 yards) 8" Type 91 AP was expected to penetrate 10" of IJN NVNC

which based on Okun's tables would be ~8.2" of Class A

however the combination of the HE filler cavity design, imposed by the type of filler used, and the cap design on 8" Type 91 shells, results in a shell design which suffers especially against face hardened armor, to the point it is essentially incapable of penetrating face hardened armor while still fit to burst

unrelated to the hits on Boise, the HE filler cavity design imposes other problems relating to performance against armor when striking at even relatively modest angles, and such problems exist even for battleship shells with caps which aren't as limited

[unkempt sedge]

Yeah it was only good on paper.

The actual damage left alot to be desired.

Thanks for the info dump.

[junior trench]

if you go with even modestly reaching interpretations via Okun's work the IJN would have been better off continuing to use their copies and versions of Royal Navy "Blue Band" AP from ~1920

On a related note, Type 91's replacement of Blue Band style shells happens in the same general modernization period where the Hotchkiss 25mm derived Type 96 25mm AA gun replaced the IJN's version of the 2-pdr pom-pom

Which is also around the same time all the Type 93 torpedoes start showing up to replace previous non-oxygen models

Including other 61cm designs which aren't quite as long ranged or fast but still have rather impressive performance

[timber linden]

Didn't they have to call in fleet air because they couldn't hit a four stacker

Great shame they killed the prisoners as well

[desert agate]

If you’re firing AP at a 4 stacker it’s little wonder it didn’t sink

You’re firing the wrong shell, that’s not the shells fault that’s the spotters fault

[junior trench]

It's not a shell choice matter in the case of Edsall

It's a "destroyers going evasive are fucking hard to hit at range" issue

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/RyszardJonski/status/1840304913315672193

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski) on X

In 1997, the M2 Bradley was tested with the 35mm Bushmaster III Chain Gun.
Over 3,000 rounds of 35mm Oerlikon-Contraves ammunition were fired, primarily in Phoenix and the US Army Yuma Proving Ground.
Chambered for standard 35mm ammunition , the Bushmaster III could be quickly

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 8:17 AM

[zealous gull]

Saw two cute warship while out boating today

Wanted to pet them but I think I’d get in trouble if I tried

[manic latch]

I'm sorry chief

But these aren't cute

They are super ugly

[autumn sorrel]

Wdym, they are ugly cute

[manic latch]

This just screams "I wasn't originally designed to carry this radar"

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, have you look at Kynda class radar sail?

[grave ravine]

Salt Lake City took a diving shell during Komandorski Islands, but the battle similarly illustrates the shortcomings of the shell type as well

Of the 5 hits the ship received during the battle, 3 were beneath the waterline, but only one of those did significant damage

One appears to have detonated short of the ship, while another glanced off damaging the bilge keel

Furthermore one of the remaining two hits over penetrated the front of the hull due to the long fuse delay required for the diving shells

The final hit was to the ship's plane

[junior trench]

Mfw ~0.1 second delay

When the norm is ~0.033

[junior trench]

A delay long enough that IJN BB shells could feasibly over penetrate the entire width of another BB, including the angle of fall, if not for the velocity loss when punching armor

[remote monolith]

Should they ever require and demand, whether they be Chazars, or Turks, or again Russians, or any other nation of the northerners and Scythians, as frequently happens, that some of the imperial vesture or diadems or state robes should be sent to them in return for some service or office performed by them, then thus you shall excuse yourself: «These robes of state and the diadems, which you call ‘kamelaukia’, were not fashioned by men, nor by human arts devised or elaborated, but, as we find it written in secret stories of old history, when God made emperor the former Constantine the great, who was the first Christian emperor, He sent him these robes of state by the hand of His angel, and the diadems which you call ‘kamelaukia’, and charged him to lay them in the great and holy church of God, which, after the name of that very wisdom which is the property of God, is called St.Sophia; and not to clothe himself in them every day, but only when it is a great public festival of the Lord.

Moreover, there is a curse of the holy and great emperor Constantine engraved upon this holy table of the church of God, according as he w as charged by God through the angel, that if an emperor for any use or occasion or unseasonable desire be minded to take of them and either him self misuse them or give them to others, he shall be anathematized as the foe and enemy of the commands of God, and shall be excommunicated from the church;

For one of the emperors, Leo by name, who also married a wife from Chazaria, out of his folly and rashness took up one of these diadems when no festival of the Lord was toward, and without the approval of the patriarch put it about his head. And straightway a carbuncle came forth upon his forehead so that in torment at the pains of it he evilly departed his evil life, and ran upon death untimely.

Similar care and thought you must take in the matter of the liquid fire which is discharged through tubes, so that if any shall ever venture to demand this too, as they have often made demands of us also, you may rebut and dismiss them in words like these : «This too was revealed and taught by God through an angel to the great and holy Constantine, the first Christian emperor, and concerning this too he received great charges from the same angel, as we are assured by the faithful witness of our fathers and grandfathers, that it should be manufactured among the Christians only and in the city ruled by them , and nowhere else at all, nor should it be sent nor taught to an y other nation whatsoever.

'But come, now, turn’, and to meet another sort of demand, monstrous and unseemly, seemly and appropriate words discover and seek out. For if any nation of these infidel and dishonourable tribes of the north shall ever demand a marriage alliance with the emperor of the Romans, and either to take his daughter to wife, or to give a daughter of their own to be wife to the emperor or to the emperor’s son, this monstrous demand of theirs also you shall rebut with these words, saying: «Concerning this matter also a dread and authentic charge and ordinance of the great and holy Constantine is engraved upon the sacred table of the universal church of the Christians, St. Sophia, that never shall an emperor of the Romans ally himself in marriage with a nation of customs differing from and alien to those of the Roman order, especially with one that is infidel and unbaptized, unless it be with the Franks alone; for they alone were excepted by that great man, the holy Constantine, because he himself drew his origin from those parts; for there is much relationship and converse between Franks and Romans.

But if they reply: «How then did the lord Romanus, the emperor, ally himself in marriage with the Bulgarians, and give his grand-daughter to the lord Peter the Bulgarian ?», this must be the defence: «The lord Romanus, the emperor, was a common, illiterate fellow, and not from among those who have been bred up in the palace, and have followed the Roman national customs from the beginning; nor was he of imperial and noble stock, and for this reason in most of his actions he was too arrogant and despotic,

"Son, if those dirty Khazars, Turks, Bulgars and whatever demanded something unreasonable like Imperial artifacts, relatives to marry, or god forbid the recipe for greek fires tell them God told Constantine I you're not allowed to give up either of these things to anyone that's not Roman or Christians, and tell them Constantine only allows you to marry imperial families to Franks cause they're cool"

De Administrando Imperio is honestly a treasure since its a for the Emperor's eyes only book, its super honest about the kinds of dealings the Byzantine Emperor does'

[unkempt sedge]

Project 58? It doesn't look that bad.

Then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I'd call it ugly cute.

[autumn sorrel]

I never said it is ugly

Ah, Soviet Missile Cruiser, cramming so much missile on them

[unkempt sedge]

I know. You mentioned the sail specifically.

[autumn sorrel]

Well yeah, Soviet have a tendency to jam all kind of radar on the their sails. Sometimes it will be like what Krem said, "I wasn't originally designed to carry this radar"

[unkempt sedge]

Very true. However, weirdly enough, I like that crowded look

But, I THINK it had to due with the changing requirements the Soviet Navy wanted (they were orginally laid down as destroyers) and the size and technology of radars and equipment at the time.

Feel free to correct me if wrong. My knowledge of Cold War era ships is not the best.

[manic latch]

Nah

See destroyer name is funny

Khrushchev loved them so much he changed the class from destroyer to cruiser so crews of them can get more payment

[unkempt sedge]

Now that is funny.

Well I'm certain the crews were quite happy with that extra pay.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1840508640245191068

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1948, the Vought Cutlass flew for the first time. Based on German WWII tech, the F7U became the Navy's first swept wing fighter. Nicknamed the "Gutless" by pilots, the F7U had a short service history because its weak thrust and difficult handling led to a high accident rate.

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 9:47 PM

[shrewd pecan]

ah yes

the flying disaster

[thick scarab]

Anyone here watched the Pacific?

https://youtu.be/mGlAgW097Ss?si=jCPczEW9L8C671Q4 it's a neat show, this scene where the Marines are watching Savo Sound go down and thinking they were winning, unknowingly cheering on the Japanese fleet. The only ships sunk at Savo that night were Allied and the Japanese only suffered damaged ships.
US/Aussie Fleet lost
HMAS Canberra, USS Vincennes, USS Astoria, USS Quincy
And suffered damages to USS Chicago and USS Patterson
While the Japanese fleet only took damages to the IJN Chokai, IJN Kinugasa, IJN Tenryū. Catastrophic.

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/running-away-mascot-gif-15280362

[remote monolith]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-netherlands-returned-288-stolen-artifacts-to-indonesia-180985137/

[fallow pagoda]

Ye.

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1840601211726438683?t=XOBOIn-X4Espt20rG9PaNA&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

A report on tank reliability in the Soviet-Japanese War was published #OTD in 1945. Similar % of T-34-85 and M4A2 tanks broke down during the operation (8.3% vs 8.2%). The tanks were similarly likely to suffer from engine failure (~55% of the total). #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 3:55 AM

[junior trench]

... I know exactly where you took that from and the original context

[junior trench]

which units with what tanks arrived via the Trans-Siberian Railway and which units arrived via organic transport due the low throughput of said railway?
what was the terrain assigned to which units with what tanks? how far was each unit supposed to travel?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.twz.com/land/mysterious-m60-machine-gun-contract-awarded-by-u-s-army

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1840761109218808006

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1954, USS Nautilus (SSN-571) was commissioned, marking a new era in naval warfare. The world's first nuclear submarine could stay submerged longer while traveling farther, faster, and deeper than conventional subs. Nautilus would be the first to pass under the North Pole.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 2:30 PM

[fallow pagoda]

The pig is back in business.

[junior trench]

It never left

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/9BEaJRONqo0?si=KaczDdBqmyobCfIP

[fierce sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-rambo-gif-18873965

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/F25fZS4GpoA?si=jIw8__qSzHHYmBuC

[vale condor]

#off-topic message pictures of IJN Mikasa I took in January if any of you are interested and have never been

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1840941829765701722

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1951, U.S. Army soldier Clint Eastwood hitched a ride on a Navy AD-1Q Skyraider that ran out of fuel and ditched near the coast of California. He then paddled a raft for two miles to safety. Four years later he made his first credited appearance in FRANCIS IN THE NAVY.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 2:28 AM

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/j1smiOWim2o?si=bAYr0jBuUaExVNqy

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan

https://fixvx.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1841030863338778717?t=g-3lljH-jxUV_r6Z4BOqEg&s=19

That F-15 Camo

[narrow rover]

1945

I mean, the Russians barely faced any resistance because the Japanese knew they couldn't hold Manchuria and were retreating

[manic latch]

But this is about tanks

Not how fast Japan lost ground

[narrow rover]

I guess tanks that aren't being shot at would break down much less.

[manic latch]

If only

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1840594921071288504?t=JGjNEtrYv-M4MdBASR0wtA&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

#OTD in 1944 the Kubinka proving grounds established a testing program for the captured King Tiger tanks. The 1000 km long test drive turned out to be an optimistic estimate, as even with spare parts the tanks could drive less than 1/8 of that distance. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 3:30 AM

[narrow rover]

Germans

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1841074957805076485

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Happy 100th Birthday to submariner LT James Earl Carter, USN (Ret). Carter is the only President of the United States to have graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) is named in his honor.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 11:17 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaSxLg_5DQc

[rustic osprey]

Read about it in a book. The Japanese force snuck through two destroyers patrolling before unleashing hellfire on the American vessels. Actually hit a nerve reading about it

[desert agate]

American?

didn't realise Canberra had comissioned into the USN

I suppose the task force commander was conscripted into the USN too

must be a different Admiral Crutchley

[rustic osprey]

Forgot about the Canberra to be honest. I was reading it after staying up the entire night about a year ago or so

Mb

[desert agate]

she was the senior ship present...

[rustic osprey]

it’s been a year since I’ve read the book

[maiden citrus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Canberra_(CA-70)

/s

[desert agate]

so true

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/RyszardJonski/status/1841200408078750196/

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski) on X

Leopard 2 with AGT1500 Gas Turbine.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 7:35 PM

[rustic osprey]

gaijin when

[brittle cargo]

Manjuu plz give us a busty tanned Australian slang speaking sister for Baltimore. I will give you my firstborn.

[hardy spade]

What Belfast and Edinburgh should have looked like vs what we got

[manic latch]

Plymouth is upper version yes

[hardy spade]

Yea

[hardy spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfitArwJM0

[unkempt sedge]

To be fair. I'd rather get USS Boston (CA-69) first since she was the 2nd of the class after Baltimore.

HMAS Canberra should be first IMO before USS Canberra.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boston_(CA-69)

[maiden citrus]

I agree

introducing Kangaroo Country with HMAS Canberra would be incredibly based

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAu6XHi5IMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RySFFGbLis

[runic ermine]

I'd say yes

[knotty tapir]

Nice wall gun i just got, super rusted and is missing the magazine hatch

[unkempt sedge]

Vetterli rifle? Nice!

How much you pay?

You could restore it depending on the condition if you really wanted to.

Kinda hard to tell from the photos for me.

The rust that bad on it? I can see the surface rust on the 2nd and fifth photos.

Ah! One of my favorites!

Yakkity Yak!

Also some forgotten interwar Japanese flying boats.
https://youtu.be/cRK-_Yts77M?si=p2RLPC3qr73kIKSx

https://youtu.be/ZIYTICFmGlE?si=-iERRXuvXh8nUZRF

[runic ermine]

I love that rifle

[unkempt sedge]

Always liked the look of them.

[hidden fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMO4o4yANpY
Thompson Autorifle

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qmfCW-Yok6s?si=wNK9spBJ-_TOuZG3

Quick short on Type 92 HMG. (I know it's a short, but hattorihan is an exception).

And a Beekeeper with a rifle

https://youtube.com/shorts/cvqJIIpY-cI?si=Bg74CLIJ9opz-HTl

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYrg92ENvQY

[desert agate]

i swear to god if we get USN Canberra before RAN Canberra I'm eating a shotgun barrel

[desert agate]

we need this photo but in AL

im not sure who that is in the background but the other two are fairly obvious

[nova axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ0IOeqRVww

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/rVHHYQ7bWuM?si=d70b2e9bhRO9dzdq

https://youtu.be/jDKE7D8F4Nc?si=NuMgFjaO6pjHiFXf

[knotty tapir]

Cost me around $200 and unfortunately the rust is that bad, the inside of the barrel is pretty much gone unfortunately

[ripe sapphire]

Should they add HMAS Sidney and like the Kormoran then?

[autumn sorrel]

You could find a gunsmith to fix the barrel, easiest way to rebore it

[desert agate]

Sydney* and yes the most decorated Australian warship of WW2 should absolutely be added

the Stormy Petrel of the Mediterranean which on her own was regarded as the best cruiser the Mediterranean fleet had to offer is probably the most significant ship yet to be added to AL

the whole Perth class should be added but Sydney alone deserves the addition

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, if they were to be added, they probably gonna be under RN banner

[desert agate]

which would be improper given the distinct separation of the RAN and RN during the war

the RAN did sail under RN command a lot particularly in the first 2 years of the war, but the British admiralty never had operational command over the RAN unlike in the first war

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opTRHjBh8WA

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/notsonarwhals/status/1841941232483791320

[ripe sapphire]

Thanks but yes I agree, maybe they’d put them under HMS but they should definitely be added

[autumn sorrel]

Just curious but wake homing vs active torp, which is more deadly on the hit? Where would it cause the most damage? Midship or the stern?

[unkempt sedge]

Agreed. Only thing is if the cost would be justified.

Also the ammo problem. Many got converted to 6.5x52mm Carcano during WW1, however those rounds are hard to come by nowadays and expensive like 6.5 & 7.7 Arisaka. Unless there is a guy out there still making 6.5 Carcano. However, I never heard of anyone doing so.

Would be curious what modern ammo a Vetterli "could" be rebored and chambered to fire?

Edit: I looked for anything on reproduction 10.4x47, but the gun forum posts talking about it are all the way back from 2008-2011, though some say they somehow were able "use other rounds that were similar" which means nothing to me. Consider that also a dead-end.

Only other option would be to cast bullets himself, if he wants to go that far.

[unkempt sedge]

If and HMAS ships are going to get added, knowing Manjuu they will be part of the Royal Navy and under their command since it's easier and more organized.

However, despite that they COULD make them more rebellious compared to the rest of the RN ships such as frequently insulting QE and refusing her orders if they don't like it. Also they would act and think more independently.

Basically all HMAS ships would be the Mavericks of the Royal Navy faction. Which IMO I would like to see.

[desert agate]

look all im saying is that if some 200+ year old pirate ships can get their own faction I dont see why the RAN can't

[unkempt sedge]

MODS

[manic latch]

Donate all money to me

Ngl scammers need better tactics

[unkempt sedge]

[knotty tapir]

Dont exactly know how much it would cost but from my current observation the barrel is really pitted

[unkempt sedge]

Scammers gonna scam.

[manic latch]

If you were good at earning money, you wouldn't bother teaching to other people

[unkempt sedge]

Ditto.

These guys are the bottom of the barrel.

[unkempt sedge]

You thinking of taking it to a gunsmith?

Or is it not worth it in your eyes?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wS3CT1Ljk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqMsTsF0qgY

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1842279733297549778

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1943, aircraft flying from USS Ranger (CV-4) destroyed 5 German ships and damaged another 7 during Operation Leader in Norway. USS Ranger was the U.S. Navy's first purpose-built carrier and the only one from the pre-war era not to engage the Japanese in battle.

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 7:04 PM

[unkempt sedge]

A plane that everyone forgets existed.

https://youtu.be/zGYsy2s1iYQ?si=_bh4awVVVnV5uAJV

[autumn sorrel]

If you want to then contact the guys over at C&RArsenal, they often have to restore and repair old ww1 stuffs. Even if they can’t rebore your guns, they can recommend who can. The only problem is that is it worth it for you?

[autumn sorrel]

I would advise stick to the 6.5mm Carcano, the magazine well is already designed for it. If you want to rechamber it then the magazine have to be replace which might affect the mechanism. Not to mention that there no telling whether this gun can handle a different cartridge until you test the chamber strength.

[junior trench]

Homing. Amidships.

[desert agate]

thinking about how badly the Japanese fucked up their scuttling of Hiryuu

ngl the old stern and bow hits didnt do so much

[rocky stratus]

It's kc-46!!!!!!

Sword fish,btw

[burnt scarab]

The Swordfish bi-plane that sank the Bismarck with it's Mk15 torpedo

[alpine onyx]

"sank" is doing some heavy lifting here

[sullen canyon]

More like dealt the final blow, before they decided to scuttle her

[autumn sorrel]

[alpine onyx]

More like drastically limited Bismarck's ability to maneuver

The rest was done by the surface ships' gunfire and torpedoes, and whatever impact the scuttling had or not

[junior trench]

the Mark XV torpedo wasn't even designed yet when Bismarck sank

[burnt scarab]

Are you sure RI ?

I thought I heard it was Mk 15 torpedo ? Unless it is something else

They did because HMS Dorsetche, HMS King George VI and other Royal Navy ships pound Bismarck into obvillion

[junior trench]

...

Mark XV =/= Mark 15

especially not in the WW2 naval context

[eternal veldt]

It's Mark XII

[burnt scarab]

Mk12 ?

I heard it somewhere before

[eternal veldt]

Roman numerals and arabic numerals are not intechangeable - the RN used the Roman numeral system, the US latter.

[burnt scarab]

We do that as well for the Infantry Regiment flags for our army Silver Tears. Dont believe, look at Google Image

[eternal veldt]

Thats not the same as a weapon designation.

In the same vein, the British used arabic numerals for their highland divisions. Again, this isnt the same as weapon systems.

[humble jewel]

https://x.com/larrynguyen0096/status/1842456013917839597?s=19

Lawrence Nguyen 🇻🇳 (@larrynguyen0096) on X

LMAO Wunderwaffles

Twitter · Oct 5, 2024, 6:45 AM

[frozen kestrel]

So, I swapped out a the searchlights on Bismarck's WoWs model with a significantly more detailed one I found on CGTrader, and I was hoping I could get ya'lls opinion on it. I wanna make it the same size as the original so it doesn't seem out of place, so here's a comparison between the two.

Did I get it right, or do I need to fix it?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe_uew3rsU

[unkempt sedge]

What's the CGI for if you don't mind me asking?

Are you modding for another game?

Just for fun?

[frozen kestrel]

Concept trailer for an Azur Lane fan animation

[unkempt sedge]

Really? For who?

I'm interested now! Would love to know when it's done.

It does look slightly bigger. If it's colored like the original. I could make a better distinction for you.

The front of the new searchlight you added definitely looks better than the original. Especially with (what I believe to be the shutters) the front of the lens like this...

[frozen kestrel]

Plugged in some color textures and here's the result

[unkempt sedge]

I notice after you colored it the vertical lines on the face of the light disappear.

Like this.....

Other than that. It looks good.

I am going to assume these lines are either reflectors or shutters on the lens.

[frozen kestrel]

Actually, those are where the panels of glass join

[unkempt sedge]

Got it! Thanks!

[frozen kestrel]

The Germans used panels of glass instead of one solid insert, which made repairs easier, if I remember correctly

[unkempt sedge]

So you can just replace one panel at a time.

Makes sense.

Who are you doing the animation for if I may ask? I'll keep a lookout for it.

[frozen kestrel]

Sorry, only saw the reply just now. It's actually my own project

[unkempt sedge]

Is that so?

Good luck brother! I'm looking forward to it!

https://youtube.com/shorts/Sli6fD_hODI?si=B7ZsgsKwFIENg46X

[zealous gull]

Royal New Zealand Navy ship ran aground, caught fire and sank

Crew is okay apart from some injuries from a capsized life raft

[runic ermine]

I saw that. The crew of 75 got out safely at least

[zealous gull]

I feel for the poor Kiwi sailor who had his ship hit a reef and sink, jumped in a liferaft and had his raft hit the same reef and sink

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/kFGQyV0gY1A?si=n5FpsxcWOUP1tYaF

https://youtu.be/RjIMB14Oy2I?si=OXHAzc3GsHzyHSj1

https://youtu.be/fgIz5N11TZ8?si=TqFLRWscBz2tL8uw

https://youtu.be/9UDMQYmoin8?si=AaxTfElyhOSlLh56

[frozen kestrel]

She should still be salvagable within reason. They could probably raise her, and she'd be good as new after a trip to dry dock

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: What torpedo bombers did Yorktown have during the Battle of Midway?

[subtle prawn]

The standard USN torpedo bombers were TBD Devastators at the time, no?

[shrewd pecan]

probably more expensive than just building a new ship

she was a hydrographic survey ship so

not really much is lost with her

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah, but the Avengers made their combat debut at Midway, so there's a bit of confusion

[subtle prawn]

The Avengers were only flown by a land-based squadron at that time

[frozen kestrel]

If I remember correctly, Hornet had a squadron as well

I gonna say it's pretty safe to assume Yorktown had the Devastators.

[grave ravine]

The handful of TBFs that flew from Midway were part of VT-8, Hornet's TB squadron, but no TBFs were present on Hornet

The TBFs were not ready in time when Hornet sailed for the Pacific, but a detachment of the squadron had stayed behind and been re equipped, and they made it to Midway just in time for the battle

[zealous gull]

The Royal New Zealand Navy is unbelievably low on budget these days, so hard to say

A bunch of ships are already laid up due to lack of personnel

I’m not optimistic about this ship’s future

I do wonder if the RNZN will want to move their hydrographic capability to small deployable units or sending contracts out to the private sector to do their work

Kinda like what the royal australian navy has been doing lately

Does the military itself need its own surveying capability?

[knotty tapir]

Nah i cant really afford it atm, and sounds like a hassle to go through. I may in the future but atm im happy with it just being a wall gun. Also thank you for the recommendation, i have a gunsmith at my local range that can do it but they charge for nearly everything since they are a small local place but it is very expensive.

[desert agate]

I seriously doubt the New Zealand government is willing to finance such an activity for what is a rear line of duty ship

[desert agate]

The RAN still operates a sizeable survey force

[desert agate]

Survey isn’t a particularly profitable activity particularly in isolated areas like the Pacific Islands it’s therefore a task better left in the public sector

[zealous gull]

No secret that the geospatial branch is being taken apart right now

HMAS Melville just got decommissioned

Leeuwin is doing basically everything except surveying these days

I do wonder if the future of surveying is autonomous, the oil and gas industry is moving in that direction for their surveying, with promising results

[narrow rover]

Italy having a moment

[burnt scarab]

Yes, it is. However, a lot of them were shot down during the battle of Midway

They werent a match for the zero fighters either Shiper. Even our own Brewster Buffalo were no match for the zero fighters either. Not even Ki Nates

[mental tapir]

I believe Zeroes had a positive kill ratio till Allied pilots learnt to Thach weave/boom and zoom them

[autumn sorrel]

Superior speed and maneuverability, coupled with veteran pilots who were bloodied over China.

[narrow rover]

Not sure if the China theater was a bigger issue than the Americans

[autumn sorrel]

China, Burma, Malaysia, Philippine, Indonesia, IJN were very active before Midway and even if you were shooting down inferior plane, you still get operational experience and help the pilots to familiarize themselves even more with aircraft and how best to use them.

Not to mention Japanese pilot training course is notoriously picky with even a minor mistake can get you disqualified so whoever coming out of the course often cream of the croft

[mental tapir]

“I assure you, this is necessary to fly planes properly”

We went through hundreds of diving lessons to improve our sense of balance, and to aid us later when we would be putting fighter planes through all sorts of acrobatic gyrations. There was special reason to pay strict attention to the diving lessons, for once the instructors felt we had received enough, assistance from the boards, we were ordered to dive from a high tower to the hard ground! During the drop we somersaulted two or three times in the air, and landed on our feet. Naturally, there were errors—with disastrous results.

“A fighter pilot must be aggressive and tenacious. Always." This was our initial greeting from the athletic instructor who called together our first wrestling class. "Here at Tsuchiura we are going to instill those characteristics into you, or else you will never become a Navy pilot." He lost no time in showing us his ideas of how we were to become indoctrinated with constant aggressiveness! The instructor at random selected two students from the group and ordered them to wrestle. The victor of this clash was then allowed to leave the wrestling mat.

His opponent who had lost the important match had no such luck. He remained on the mat, prepared to take on another pilot trainee. So long as he continued to lose, he remained on that mat, tiring with every bout, slammed about heavily and often sustaining injuries. If necessary, he was forced to wrestle every one of the other sixty-nine students in his class. If, at the end of sixty-nine consecutive wrestling bouts, he was still able to resume standing, he was considered fit—but for only one more day. The following day he again took on the first wrestling opponent and continued until he either emerged a victor or was expelled from the school.

With every pilot trainee determined not to be expelled from the fliers course, the wrestling matches were scenes of fierce competition. Often students were knocked unconscious. This, however, did not excuse them from what was considered an absolute training necessity. They were revived with buckets of water or other means and sent back to the mat.

It is still difficult, if not altogether impossible, for Americans and other westerners to appreciate the harshness of the discipline under which we then lived in the Navy. The petty officers would not for a moment hesitate to administer the severest beatings to recruits they felt deserving of punishment. Whenever I committed a breach of discipline or an error in training, I was dragged physically from my cot by a petty officer.

"Stand to the wall! Bend down, Recruit Sakai!" he would roar. "I am doing this to you, not because I hate you, but because I like you and want to make you a good seaman. Bend down!"

And with that he would swing a large stick of wood and with every ounce of strength he possessed would slam it against my upturned bottom. The pain was terrible, the force of the blows unremitting. There was no choice but to grit my teeth and struggle desperately not to cry out. At times I counted up to forty crashing impacts into my buttocks. Often I fainted from the pain. A lapse into unconsciousness constituted no escape however. The petty officer simply hurled a bucket of cold water over my prostrate form and bellowed for me to resume position, whereupon he continued his "discipline" until satisfied I would mend the error of my ways.

To assure that every individual recruit in the station would do his utmost to prevent his fellows from committing too many errors, whenever one of us received a beating, each of the fifty other recruits in the outfit was made to bend down and receive one vicious blow. After such treatment it was impossible to lie on our backs on our cots. Furthermore, we were never allowed the indulgence of even a single satisfying groan in our misery. Let one single man moan in pain or anguish because of his "paternalistic discipline," and to a man every recruit in the outfit would be kicked or dragged from his cot to receive the full course.

Obviously, such treatment engendered no fondness for our petty officers, who were absolute tyrants in their own right. The majority were in their thirties and seemed destined to remain in the rank of petty officers throughout their careers. Their major obsession was to terrorize the new recruits—in this case, ourselves. We regarded these men as sadistic brutes of the worst sort. Within six months the incredibly severe training had made human cattle of every one of us. We never dared to question orders, to doubt authority, to do anything but immediately carry out all the commands of our superiors. We were automatons who obeyed without thinking.

Recruit training melted into a blurr of drilling, studying, training, the vicious swings of the sticks and the always painful buttocks, the bruised and blackened skin, the wincing upon sitting down.

When I completed the recruit training course, I was no longer the ambitious and zealous youth who had several years previously left his small farm village to conquer the Tokyo school system. My scholastic failures, the family disgrace, and the recruit discipline all combined effectively to humble me. I recognized the futility of questioning official authority; my egotism had been knocked out of me. But never, while I was in training or later, has my deep-rooted anger at the brutality of the petty officers abated.

Upon completion of land training, I was assigned as an apprentice seaman to the battleship Kirishima. Life at sea proved a shock to me; I had thought that, with my initial training behind me, the harsh treatment of my immediate superiors would abate. But it did not; if anything, it was worse than before.

From Saburo Sakai's memoirs, credit to Jabe

[maiden stirrup]

If ever you find yourself in San Diego I highly recommend spending a day in the Midway. 👌🏻

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, I can see why US pilot training program is much better

[narrow rover]

Brutal training seems to have been pretty common in the Imperial Japanese armed forces overall
Probably later contributed significantly to their brutality towards enemy PoWs and civilians

[remote monolith]

it definitely contributed

they had nowhere to vent their frustrations and anger at getting brutalized but at the civilian populace

[sly socket]

BROTHER I WAS THERE IN AUGUST :O

Midway’s a beauty :D

[runic ermine]

Also the doctrine of targeting medics to decrease enemy moral

[frozen kestrel]

Is there an online RAL database that's accurate? I've tried a few, and I've noticed some differences between them

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1843010931351331160

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In 1991, SURFER magazine named the Sturgeon-class attack submarine USS Tautog (SSN-639) the "hottest surfboard in the world" after a Navy SEAL was photographed riding on top of the sail.
#SubSunday

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 7:30 PM

[unkempt sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/qzrg-u-MYdc?si=5bbIVEoKGODBtFIS

https://youtu.be/I7aGC6Sp8zQ?si=VGDu-kJV_XBAVVvv

https://youtu.be/B8DEUO9mqKk?si=ejHyCnpg_-UaNeo0

[frozen junco]

The National Museum of The Marine Corps recently opened their Iraq and Afghanistan exibits.

[fallow pagoda]

They have a crayon section?

[unkempt sedge]

Looks like it's seen better days.

Brazilian P-47's.

https://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/301-400/Fea371-P-47-Fabricio/00.shtm

[rapid junco]

This is Just a model i pictured when i went to the Aerial Sunday lass weekend

This specific one was painted according to the squadron Commander's aircraft

[unkempt sedge]

Ahahahahahaha..........

A lot of my diecast models ended up with "play marks" as a kid.

But, hey I enjoyed them.

[rapid junco]

The 1st Fgt Squadron Italy had a few silvery P47s

One of them belong to Lt. col Nero Moura
Commander of the squadron

[unkempt sedge]

Sorry for the terrible resolution.

Also I had some of these livery profiles on my phone of P-47's in the Pacific.......

Also....https://youtu.be/ahXwzaczWV8?si=ZWznqkZAQThdyMbi

[frozen kestrel]

i am currently having a nervous breakdown... and it's because of this ship and the RAL color system...

[unkempt sedge]

What's specifically the problem?

Wrong colors? Textures not meshing right, or?

[frozen kestrel]

the complete and utter fucking lack of consistency between RAL databases and the fact that apparently RAL 8013 DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST IN ANY OF THEM

so now, I just wanna-

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-gone-dead-gif-20756091

[burnt scarab]

I likd the P47 Thunderbolt other than the P40 Tomohawk and the P51 Mustang

The P47 Thubderbolt is know to do strafing on the luftwaffe and the Nazi Railway Reichsband

[supple sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdy9RQx6z_8

[burnt scarab]

Oh damn

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1842781830564434079?t=QNQY5lZ8AKm494twgmX7fw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Soviet trials of a Panther tank finished #OTD in 1943. The trials lasted for two months, but the tank ran for less than 14 hours in that time, as it constantly needed repairs. The Panther was catastrophically unreliable. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 4:20 AM

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paADbwNa7hs

[narrow rover]

I like how japan calls every bad thing it got into an "incident(jihen)"

Sina Incident (our troops are trapped in this massive war we can't really win but also we can't pull out because it'd make some higher-ups look bad)

[shrewd pecan]

this was deemed acceptable for a mass production vehicle

combine that with having to practically dismantle large sections of the tank just to perform basic maintenance

[mental tapir]

Just like how the war situation developed not necessarily to their advantage

[runic ermine]

They also called the Battles of Khalkhin Gol as the Nomonhan Incident (our army got curb stomped by the Soviets and Mongolians)

[narrow rover]

Weird thing with Japanese writing at the time

[narrow rover]

Come to think of it the Nanjing massacre is also sometimes referred to as the Nanjing Incident

[runic ermine]

Japan labeling that as an incident is crazy

[narrow rover]

What can I say, it's Japan

Like we still don't have an exact cause of that whole mess aside from "Iwane Matsui became sick and prince Asaka took over command, and then a shitload of soldiers went apeshit all over the city"

Just how fucked is your command structure

Iwane later got executed for that

[runic ermine]

Somehow Japan and Croatia were more comically evil than Germany at times

[narrow rover]

I like to compare Japan with the USSR tbh
An army that is simply not controlled properly by a democratic, civilian government
Will do fucked up things regardless of culture

[narrow rover]

The Balkans being a fucked place since the beginning of time be like

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/OnDisasters/status/1843062793760616952

[narrow rover]

Bumpy ride there

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/iiCdWFaQRH0?si=2Ycw0kZbRD4BNS2w

[manic latch]

Ahem

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-forgotten-ferocity-of-canadas-soldiers-in-the-great-war

“the troops that had the worst reputation for acts of violence against prisoners were the Canadians.”

[narrow rover]

Yes and?

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/XPGIamNsKfI?si=z30vx4Olyjzvb-qg

[narrow rover]

If necessary... alone
If necessary... for years

[manic latch]

So it's not about being democratic is it

[narrow rover]

There are outliers to the rule

[manic latch]

[narrow rover]

And again I REALLY don't like to pull out this argument
But being assholes at a PoW camp honestly isn't comparable to going on a rampage across China

Or going on a rampage across Eastern Europe for that matter

[manic latch]

Ah wait

Are you British

May explain why you look more favorable to what Canadians did

[narrow rover]

Brother
You shared a lot of discords with me
I'm Korean

[manic latch]

Ah nvm

Well Drachinifel explained it best

When you do conscription, more time and war goes on, more chance of war crime event will increase

Because conscription gives much less attention to a soldier's mental state and focus largely on physical

Tho main requirement is soldier having +80 IQ since irrc you can't follow orders if it's less than 80

Depends on countries too of course

[narrow rover]

Conscripts being assholes quite literally caused the "loss of China" right there

[manic latch]

Japanese were raised in a culture of hate

They likely did those crimes out of that education

You know like if I asked an American farmer to shoot a cow

He will likely do it

If I ask religious Indian

There is high chance he won't

Since different education and beliefs about cow's status

[narrow rover]

You get into this whole thing where army culture was slowly poisoning civilian culture
Via retired soldiers being gifted teaching positions (usually as PE teachers)

There is a MASSIVE increase in student abuse complaints around the time this system really kicks off, though the outbreak of the 2nd Sino-Japanese war made the protestors silent

[manic latch]

Yeah

And Japan wasn't alone

I have a belief if ww1 Germany invaded China somehow, their soldiers would likely do same crimes as Japanese ones did

[narrow rover]

I mean
Japan is quite literally WW1 Germany on steroids

[manic latch]

Was that a bot

[frozen junco]

It wouldn't be a Marine Corps museum without a crayon section.

[frozen junco]

Was what a bot?

[runic ermine]

What was the French order of battle in 1940?

[unkempt sedge]

(Okay. Since my last post was done on the fly and absolute shit, let me do it better.)

I forgot I had these. I got them from an airshow last year for free as they were literally giving them away. I still have to read them.

They are an actual magazine btw. I never joined, but maybe I will.

If any of you are interested (IDK if they will ship internationally to where you guys live outside the U.S.).

https://www.overthefront.com

[hardy spade]

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1843371936124113115

[burnt scarab]

😭

[burnt scarab]

What's that ?

[hardy spade]

Nelson

[zinc ginkgo]

why does it look like someone just made a Monitor+

[hardy spade]

Cut down mix of the N3 and G3 designs sister ship Rodney devastated Bismarck in seconds blowing out nearly everything and hitting with a torpedo

[hardy spade]

Most likely Barham and Malaya behind

And some county class cruisers etc

[narrow rover]

Bismarck was one of the ships of all time

[blissful folio]

Nice duly noted. In the past year I've visited Hornet and Intrepid. The former for last year's anniversary event and the latter just this past August!

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAMSMRAlz0U

[burnt scarab]

HMS Malaya, I remembered it was use in the Battle of the North Atlantic or Operation Pedestal. Our hero Adnan's brother is one of the crew

[burnt scarab]

HMS Nelson, sound familar

[hardy spade]

Nelson is the lead shop of the Nelson class her sister Rodney is more famous

[burnt scarab]

Rodney, she's the one of the Royal Navy ships to sink Bismarck

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a6PXY3Q43Y

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynwjM3Wuct8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.babcockinternational.com/news/babcock-cuts-steel-on-third-type-31-inspiration-class-frigate-hms-formidable/

[hardy spade]

We Bache

[uncut mauve]

So....what can y'all tell me about The War of 1812?

[fallow pagoda]

In 1814, we took a little trip.
Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip'.
We took a little bacon and we took a beans, and we caught the bloody British at the town of New Orleans.

[subtle prawn]

It's romanticized

[uncut mauve]

That's... pretty impressive, actually.

[burnt scarab]

1812 is where the Americans battle British again Kinetic. I remember one of the lawer Keith Scott saw the flag flying and his poem becomes the national anthem of the USA

I was told it was Fort Jackson

We had Frigades that are called Formidable class. Our Navy had the Independance class which looks smaller but inside has a lot of computerise technology

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZcT_XaD_QU

[burnt scarab]

A railgun project ? They are like trying to do Misaka railgun thing. I can imagine Misaka reacting to the Navy's railgun as armement for future Navy battles

[maiden stirrup]

@mhk1 I was reading about Intrepid just the other day and the description gave me the impression that there wasn't a lot left to see below the hangar deck. Is that the case? On Midway the "below deck" part of the museum is massive... You can pretty much tour the entirety of the aircraft carrier.

[runic ermine]

America tried to invade Canada but failed

[burnt scarab]

Anyone heard about the battle of Arrocourt ?

Or anyone heard about the Normandy or the Operation Cobra ?

[runic ermine]

Yes

[blissful folio]

A lot of the interior and exterior of the Intrepid was converted into more of an interactive museum space. Hornet is a largely preserved vessel in the same vein as Midway.

[desert agate]

yes ive been there

[burnt scarab]

That's good, worried that I might be the only one knowing this. Having such a frustrating moment because of work and all that

[runic ermine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QGTD-bJ3tYI?si=XFWgYyy4RgSsBDb3

[rapid junco]

Calling it carrier may be an overreach

[sullen canyon]

You sure that's not a dingy right there, or at least a pontoon boat?

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/XzPJ8h6ozH4?si=dZWGrDyJjRsBYnrT

[burnt scarab]

We had Concord here but it was discountinued in 2000 though

[burnt scarab]

The land lease support, the one the convoy supply all these machines and equipment to the UK, China and Russia

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1844663421955940547?t=71qXp5QmaQf6M6I9AJdDMA&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Tank riders are often considered a uniquely Soviet phenomenon, but that is not the case. #OTD in 1941 General von Brauchitsch signed manual 130/2b "Motorized company of an infantry motorized division", which described how to use tank riders in battle. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 8:56 AM

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h_H1HeS2QM

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/fEKOvOzgzYI?si=5sHJarw7b9KRFsIs

He's back

[rapid junco]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DA5ceD1Kmhp/?igsh=OXJ2dGdvMTNybW41

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGTDYouUU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovfu6u4UBFI

[somber knoll]

So far, one of the (read this with a barrel of salt) endgame goal for railgun research is to see if it can go through future defense systems without going through the hassle.

Also to quote a campaign slogan, Make BB Great Again
To be fair, they probably will start with something small, as USN proved a few years ago, operating a railgun the size of one cruiser gun will take about $500 mill

each

[burnt scarab]

That's a lot of money

[burnt scarab]

The Special Air Service. They also took part in the Iran Embassy siege

[unkempt sedge]

Well it does "technically" "carry" an airplane.

But, it's not a true Aircraft Carrier as we would descibe one today.

Plus, HMS Furious had already been used for landing testing a year earlier with Edwin Dunning, so it's not the "oldest" anyway.

That being said, this is a cool little piece of history here.

[sly socket]

ayeeeee i went there four times :O

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1844947190034186587

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

U.S. Coast Guardsmen prepare a prescription of five-inch "headache pills" for the Axis in the hold of a Coast Guard cutter during WWII.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 3:44 AM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/K0PBMkhHdZs?si=ES7hDe3IylXRWwiI

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1845161762846285912

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 2000, 17 sailors were killed and 39 injured when the destroyer USS Cole was attacked by suicide bombers in Yemen's Aden harbor. The blast created a 40 foot hole on the Cole's port side but the crew saved the ship through 96 hours of sustained damage control.

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 5:57 PM