history

[gloomy rune]

The German sunk it themselves it was proven years ago as there were not found leaks who could have been created by torpedos (which is what the Royal Navy claimed they used to sink it)

According to those who survived, the captain ordered to self-sink the ship cause he didn't want the english to capture it or something like that

[grave ravine]

this is incredibly cope, the fact that the Germans did scuttle it does nothing to change the fact that the ship had been entirely disabled, and heavily flooded

[gloomy rune]

Of course it changes nothing

[grave ravine]

Again, shellfire just takes a long time to sink battleships unless you get a lucky hit against a magazine, or the ship is poorly subdivided and lacking in stability (Kirishima)

[gloomy rune]

Fun fact: when it capsized and began to sink, the propellers were still spinning

[gloomy rune]

Well that's depend. I don't think all the ships could survive a 460mm shell, but of course there were ships that could but not without reporting severe damage

[tawny lava]

I remember the scuttling order being issued but never carried out because the ship had been so heavily ripped apart?

[grave ravine]

Nor does this anecdote prove anything about German steel quality, which varied from decent to quite poor, because the goobers at Krupp refused to change their test procedures from like the 1890s

[autumn sorrel]

You mean Cameron?

[grave ravine]

no, wreck analysis did suggest that scuttling charges did go off

[tawny lava]

Huh

Interesting

[grave ravine]

I mean Bismarck certainly didn't survive, the ship was crippled very quickly in the battle

[gloomy rune]

I didn't want to say that German steel is good quality, my arg in the beginning was that Bismarck had overall a better armor than Yamato

[grave ravine]

Bismarck most certainly did not

[autumn sorrel]

Still don't understand why people so heavily focus on whether she sink by gunfire or scuttling charge because either way is still massive German skill issue

[gloomy rune]

A 460mm shell would likely do severe damages to her

[tawny lava]

Because people want to know what actually happened, I'd say

[spring briar]

Yamato has twice the deck armor of Bismarck

[grave ravine]

And nearly a third more belt armor, and angled at 20 degrees

[autumn sorrel]

Unless someone can mount another expedition and somehow gain access to the armor belt that is burried under the sand then no one can come up with a correct answer

[gloomy rune]

To think that if the crew didn't use their radio to communicate after the battle with Hood, things might have gone different

[spring briar]

Because people want to believe bismarck survived till the end
While she was pretty much crippled and operationally dead at the start of the engagement

[autumn sorrel]

To think that she can somehow survive RN search and destroy operation is pure cope

[spring briar]

It makes them feel good about their twisted beliefs

[autumn sorrel]

Only thing that could save Bismarck is to use her like Tirpitz as Fleet in being

[tawny lava]

If one is a wehraboo

[grave ravine]

and that would only save the ship until the allied heavies arrive in 44/45

[autumn sorrel]

True

[grave ravine]

at which point it would suffer the fate of the rest of the major German warships

[autumn sorrel]

Getting Tallboy to death

[tawny lava]

Operation crossroads, enhanced edition

[grave ravine]

a fair number of them just got plastered by normal bombs too

[gloomy rune]

Bismarck: becomes a WW2 legend

That one swordfish that striked her rudder with a torpedo: am I a joke to you?!

[autumn sorrel]

I know but dmg from Tallboy isn't something you can write off

[grave ravine]

yep

[autumn sorrel]

Bismarck only become ww2 Legend bc of Hood freak accident

[gloomy rune]

Literally

[tawny lava]

Didn't tallboys just punch clean through tirpitz and explode underwater?

[autumn sorrel]

And how much the Admiralty like to parade Hood around and never give her the Retrofit that she desperately need

[grave ravine]

yeah, if they didn't hit anything heavy inside the ship they just went straight through

[autumn sorrel]

Overpen

No armor is best armor

[grave ravine]

fuse delay was set too long

[tawny lava]

I can only imagine what one would do to a yamato

[gloomy rune]

Besides the 203mm shells of Prinz Eugen started a fire onboard the Hood

[grave ravine]

pretty similar things to what they did to Tirpitz

[autumn sorrel]

Unless the crew are completely idiot and fire equipment aren't working, deck fire need a lot of time to reach the magazine bunk

[tawny lava]

True now that i think about it

[gloomy rune]

Yes. Then Bismarck got the lucky shot

[tawny lava]

It was a fuse timer issue, not an overpen issue

[autumn sorrel]

Then why bring up the fire?

[gloomy rune]

Only to point out that Bismarck didn't do the whole thing but that Prinz Eugen shells already did damages to the Hood

With Bismarck then concluding

[tawny lava]

That's true, but prinz eugen's damage to hood was pretty much inconsequential

Bismarck's hit would have sent her down with or without eugen's hit

[gloomy rune]

Yes

[tawny lava]

I wonder if any other ship has ever scored a hit as lucky as bismarck's on hood

[gloomy rune]

If we cound submarines then I'd say Albacore on Taihou

[tawny lava]

That one was probably more due to incompetence rather than luck

[gloomy rune]

Let's say both

[tawny lava]

The hit was luck, but taihou sank because the crew had no clue on how to mend the damage

[gloomy rune]

Yeah

[tawny lava]

Maybe I 168 is more fitting

Double kill on hammann and yorktown

[gloomy rune]

Nice

[tawny lava]

Though I'm pretty sure it wasn't just the one torpedo

[obtuse palm]

I 19 double kill on USS O'Brien and USS Wasp

[tawny lava]

Spicy

Or wasn't it o'brien?

[obtuse palm]

Also Arl Royal torpedoing Terre Neuve causing 1400 kg worth of depth charges to explode off Dunkerque's hull

[obtuse palm]

Right wrong vessel

[tawny lava]

Or i suppose, U-81 on Ark Royal

Turns out a lot of vessels get lucky

At other's expense

[spring briar]

Tell that to DD’s hit by BB fire

[maiden citrus]

[Overpen, 810 damage, the DD once more fades to invisiblity]

[tawny lava]

Rinse and repeat

[obtuse palm]

Wows be like:

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M11pyU2ItU

[runic ermine]

Yarnhub did a video on that a few days ago

[steel rapids]

Is that the one where 1 bomber only return

[runic ermine]

Yes

[steel rapids]

Ah

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1796703746577093008

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1916, the Royal Navy Grand Fleet met the Imperial German Navy's High Seas Fleet in the Battle of Jutland. It was the largest sea battle of the WWI. Both sides claimed victory. The Royal Navy suffered much higher losses but succeeded in containing the German fleet.

Twitter · Jun 1, 2024, 12:42 AM

[autumn sorrel]

Johnston say no problem

[spring briar]

Johnston sank from bb hits : )

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1796725157094129997

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, the destroyer escort USS England (DE-635) sank its sixth Japanese submarine in 12 days using the "Hedgehog" Anti-Submarine Projector. For its remarkable success as a sub killer, the ship was awarded a Presidential Unit Citation and the CO received the Navy Cross.

Twitter · Jun 1, 2024, 2:07 AM

[grave ravine]

Eh, there were major structural issues on Taiho that made it difficult to vent gas buildup either way

[tawny lava]

Like for example?

[autumn sorrel]

Johnston survive long enough to scare the Japanese

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLLxPRFJPc

[manic latch]

@spring briar

Round bullets for Christians
Square bullets for Turks

[shrewd pecan]

No museums today unfortunately

So enjoy some more photos from the Korean War memorial I haven’t posted yet

[runic ermine]

Greece: I'll take your entire stock!

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1796857384687866109

[autumn sorrel]

That T-54 look sus

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwzWH4Il7h4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw6o0di0AaQ

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVaVzcTe4P4

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/6N75zTJ2aOU?si=6NrdS2R3p2zTA3vw

[shrewd pecan]

It’s a north Vietnamese type 59

[steel rapids]

The star symbol on it is not North Vietnam tank symbol

[shrewd pecan]

It was captured from Vietnam by Korean forces

It is very much a north Vietnamese tank

they could of marked it up to look North Korean for training purposes

But the tank itself was captured from north Vietnamese forces as I said

[steel rapids]

Ah ok

Its a miss understanding because the symbol on NVA tanks are different from the pic

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1797091876102627550

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The F4F Wildcat was not as fast as the Zero, but it was a tough brawler. A witness reported seeing a Wildcat that was out of ammunition attack a Mitsubishi Betty by lowering its landing gear and then repeatedly hammering down on the bomber until it crashed.
#SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · Jun 2, 2024, 2:24 AM

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: What variant of the balkankruez (the thing that looks like the button to exit fullscreen on YouTube) would a Tiger II typically have?

[steel rapids]

Large ones and like complete square I think

[fierce sparrow]

[autumn sorrel]

SPG?

[fierce sparrow]

yes

[manic latch]

@tough quail
https://fixvx.com/chungtzuw/status/1797046999121830107?s=61&t=k-k4O62922fE4PcVGqLzkQ

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-intense-gunfire-open-fire-gif-20295147

[fierce sparrow]

need more dakka

[rustic fern]

what the fuck was up with BuOrd?

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1796950066109833309?t=AZrG0M1v-JD0e6zYgjH4YQ&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Production of KV-1 tanks with applique armour was due to start #OTD in 1941. This decision was rolled back soon after the war began, since most German guns couldn't penetrate the KV-1's armour anyway and the extra armour added a lot of weight. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Jun 1, 2024, 5:00 PM

[somber knoll]

So Drach, in addition to choosing Bearn from his Patreon request, also seems to have his eyes over AL players (well he did reacted to our botes' designs in one stream) now?

[runic ermine]

With animarchy

https://youtu.be/9pGzDAfOgU0?si=_xbzb_hw1DM9E0wn

[tawny lava]

His face says it all

|| tho choosing hood as his favourite was based ||

[desert agate]

I did briefly discuss AL with him when I met him

[somber knoll]

What I meant is, is that Drach releasing his Bearn video coincides with the release of Bearn Meta in game.

but ye

[desert agate]

i dont think he's that involved with it

he's not a fan at all

[shrewd pecan]

I'm ngl I get his disgust

especially after seeing the amount of tactical girl slop at this point

[manic latch]

You know my quote Tato

You can get much more fans for a certain ship with it's history and big tits version of it than you can with just it's history alone

Worked for my Soyuz

[runic ermine]

Gfl

[runic ermine]

Understandable

[autumn sorrel]

My hobby is the safest, no one gonna kawaii-ed Artillery piece

By the grace of god, we won't see M101 chan or D-74 chan anytime soon

[shrewd pecan]

gfl isn't like

full tactical girl is the thing

I'm talking like operator girls

[runic ermine]

Kinda.

[shrewd pecan]

GFL is like a layer or two removed from that

[runic ermine]

Not always but sometimes Tactical. Mainly for modern girls

[shrewd pecan]

idk you don't really have

plate carriers, FAST helmets

in gfl

[runic ermine]

AK15

[shrewd pecan]

ak15 doesn't have a plate carrier

[runic ermine]

TAC-50 has a drone

[shrewd pecan]

I don't think

you're getting what I'm saying

[runic ermine]

Explain plz

In more depth

[shrewd pecan]

tactical girl slop (AEM01 I give a expection but I'm using his shit as a example) vs GFL

you basically get

special forces girls is what I'm referring to as the slop

since there's six trillion twitter artists making that shit these days since people keep commissioning it

vs GFL where the most you get is like

tactical rigging or load bearing gear

but the characters aren't meant to be wearing full blown realistic tactical gear

this discussion probably belongs in another chat

[runic ermine]

Ah

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlL02DkCaZM

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1797612228532965559?t=D62JUfHfUgMx7M9ymRSNtw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

#OTD in 1943 the M4A2 tank undergoing trials with the Red Army broke down, requiring a pause in the trials. Nevertheless, the vehicle was considered to be quite reliable with the tracks and wheels being the weakest link. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Jun 3, 2024, 12:52 PM

[steel rapids]

L

[supple sandal]

Slop?

[supple sandal]

Oh okay

But how is that a bad thing

[tawdry matrix]

I love how the soviets had transmission issues while the US had wheel and track issues

[wintry moat]

I mean

Tracks are just inevitably gonna be a weak point

Its all moving parts

that have to hold the Vics weight

[runic ermine]

Very punny and ironic

[runic ermine]

It's also ironic

[wintry moat]

Oh my god

“Weakest link

I didn't even register that

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1797674680402464918

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1996, the Japanese destroyer Yugiri accidentally shot down a U.S. Navy A-6E Intruder with a Phalanx CIWS during a training exercise. The Intruder crew from VA-115 ejected and were recovered. It was the first foreign plane shot down by Japanese forces since 1945.

Twitter · Jun 3, 2024, 5:00 PM

[desert agate]

https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2024/possible-transfer-of-hmas-anzac-to-philippines-emerging-rumors

[rapid junco]

Veteran Rui Moreira Lima with a model of a P47

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan @tough quail Abrams with cope cage + full ERA coverage for turret

[tough quail]

i read an article im 80% sure was written by AI talking about how advanced ukraine's abrams cope cage™️ technology was while constantly referring to them without a single hint of humor as cope cages

and it was one of the most surreal things ive ever gone through

[frozen kestrel]

No fucking way, it's mentioned in the wikipedia article

And the Russians are putting them on fucking submarines too

[fierce sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

https://fxtwitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1797988967763386529

[manic latch]

Everyone went Silent when Ukraine and Israel began using them

Since turns out, you need it for fpv drones

[frozen kestrel]

Have you seen that one video of the drone chasing a single Russian soldier down the road?

It's funny as shit

[manic latch]

Deaths are funny?

What internet done to this generation

[frozen kestrel]

No, it doesn't hit him or anything

It just slowly follows him down the road

I remember seeing it in some dumb meme compilation, and someone put the damn Spongebob ukulele over it

Could've also been a stupid skit, considering some of the dumb shit I've seen from there. Like the Doge howitzer

[autumn sorrel]

Could I have the link?

[autumn sorrel]

BTR fitted with a T-64-like turret

[autumn sorrel]

Shame that this war might accelerate the extinction of Pion

[tough quail]

need to actually find it again

also

[tough quail]

how fucking crusty are your eyeballs

that you think this is real

especially when it even zooms in to show how awful a shop job it is

[frank solar]

nice non euclidian frame

the russians have invented the fourth dimension

[tough quail]

thats one way to keep your submarines stealthy

just funnel them into another plane of existence

[frank solar]

the fact someone thinks that
a. this is real
b. this is something that's necessary on a submarine

really worries me

[tough quail]

also that they'd only cover like

the tiniest slither of the mast

[frank solar]

you don't need them on a fucking submarine lol

it's a missile sub

it's going to spend 90% of its service life underwater

it's an incredibly shitty shop and i cannot believe someone would genuinely fall for this

(schrodinger's dipshit incoming)

[tough quail]

can we bring torpedo nets back though actually

those looked cool as fuck when deployed

[autumn sorrel]

There are idiot who genuinely believe a shopped photo of Eisenhower dock in Norfolk with a hasty paste on bullet impact effect to be real

[frank solar]

fully expecting the schrödinger's dipshit here

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, but we got rid of them for a reason

[spring briar]

hi vae
been a while

[frank solar]

hello

[tough quail]

:)

[spring briar]

hi honse

[frank solar]

i only show up to tell people they're wrong about submarines

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

hi richie

[spring briar]

have a Montcalm, Honse and Vae

[frank solar]

friend shaped

[tough quail]

splendid

this really calms my

monts

im going to go kill myself

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, nice guns

[frozen kestrel]

and actually made sense

[frank solar]

until they figured out you can just put big scissors on the warheads

[autumn sorrel]

Oh right, USV is now a thing

[tough quail]

kill la kill in real life

[frank solar]

dunno where the torpedoes came into klk but i stopped watching that show 3 episodes in

[autumn sorrel]

When improvised fishing net

[frozen kestrel]

You just made me think of that one thing that happened in the 80's/90's

[tough quail]

right found it

https://www.twz.com/land/ukrainian-m1-abrams-tanks-get-elaborate-cope-cages-soviet-explosive-reactive-armor

i read this at like

4 in the morning

and it changed me as a person

[autumn sorrel]

Never heard of this site before

[frank solar]

anyway i have debunked the project 667 slander

[tough quail]

the turret top shots actually look cool as fuck though

[frank solar]

call me when someone is wrong about submarines again

[tough quail]

very industrial hell

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah, this thing

[tough quail]

neither have i but that title was too funny not to read

and it just got funnier

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, not that bad of the coverage, especially when you need to bail out quick

[frozen kestrel]

I'm tempted to pour concrete through those grates

[autumn sorrel]

Ah right, this one. Funniest shit ever happen

[spring briar]

I showed you my torpedo bulge, please respond

[autumn sorrel]

What, and make M1A1SA-E

[frozen kestrel]

Killdozer 2: Electric Boogaloo

[tough quail]

[autumn sorrel]

French really know how to make sexy battleship turret

[autumn sorrel]

Oh right, Killdozer

[spring briar]

found the benches

[frozen kestrel]

Yes... and then there's the Italian turrets...

[autumn sorrel]

Say Wheatley, do you happen to know Syrian Warfare game?

[frozen kestrel]

I don't believe I do

[autumn sorrel]

I believe they have a Dozer that outfitted like Killdozer in that game

[frozen kestrel]

let me google it real quick

[spring briar]

JB

[tough quail]

friend..

[autumn sorrel]

I am firmly in the camp that French all gun forward layout is the best, shame that it was never battle proven

Just the shape of them

[spring briar]

it's not the best layout

we switched back to a more conventional layout on gascogne

but it was a good experiment

and they are quite battle proven

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah, I'm probably gonna buy that game now. Looks pretty good

[autumn sorrel]

There is a Terminator universe spin off as well, that's one definitely have a militarized Bulldozer

[autumn sorrel]

Torch?

[spring briar]

Casablanca, Dakar

arguably the Indian ocean

[wintry moat]

Hey Riche

where did Richie herself serve?

I know she went to the US to finish up

but after that

[manic latch]

Bruv it's just T-90M style

Short cope cage to hatches can open with it

Makes entering and leaving easier

[tough quail]

and

[manic latch]

This is the bad one

Only escape is you crawl to front

And I have no idea why cheeks have it

[tough quail]

sekrit passage

[manic latch]

Oh wait it's underarmored version of Abrams or old armor

Maybe cheeks ain't that strong

[autumn sorrel]

It was M1A1SA pull from Army stock, DU armor were removed and "export" armor were installed

[chilly osprey]

Essentially;

Evacuated from France in June of 1940, reached Dakar, remained there until January 1943. She left for the US at the end of the month and was in refit from late February to until about August/September, and then trials and work up until she final left for Mers-el-Kébir in October. She was assigned to Scapa Flow to work with the British home fleet and thus headed up there the next month, and served in this capacity until March 1944. It was then decided to send her to work with the British Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean. She arrived in April and served her first 'tour' in the region until September. She then returned to French North Africa and in October started a refit that lasted until late January 1945, and was sent back to the Eastern fleet in February, arriving in March. She served with the Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean until VJ Day.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwxJz25yZ8

[wintry moat]

Oh ok

cool

She didnt get a whole lotta time to flex her muscles

But was kicking around

[spring briar]

Actually got to fight other BB’s

[wintry moat]

she did?

Which ones

[runic ermine]

Her sister Jean Bart also fought one American BB

[spring briar]

Resolution and Barham

[wintry moat]

Really?

[spring briar]

Yeah

[wintry moat]

Do you know anywhere i can read about it

Thats reliable

[runic ermine]

Didn't she also fight a CV?

[spring briar]

Hermes

Was more of a one way engagement

[runic ermine]

Also Ark Royal right?

https://youtu.be/TMw61C8Reds?si=641Zg_2AAVEupVwY

[obtuse palm]

Yeah, Hermes attacked at night against Richelieu and scored one hit against the stern

Sorry ping

Also got attacked by depth charges by an MTB, which failed to go off

[runic ermine]

I'm in a museum

Pretty cool right?

[subtle prawn]

Oh, the war crimes unit

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798167123908251752

[spring briar]

[remote monolith]

@maiden citrus https://www.reddit.com/r/Paleontology/s/CNTN4oRmV2

We are BACK

[maiden citrus]

no way

prehistoric planet made them jealous enough, good

here we go guys

[remote monolith]

took someone else making the first good dinosaur doc in a decade to get off their asses

[maiden citrus]

a quarter century later, they returned

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, ITS BACK?

[remote monolith]

in the flesh

2025 release date

[maiden citrus]

our boi big al bustin his leg in 120fps 4k

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798015724738502950
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798076261581090933
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798122015443894462
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798198727074807858

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, pilot LCDR Wade McClusky from USS Enterprise followed a Japanese destroyer to find the enemy carriers near Midway. He then led the attack that sank the Kaga and Akagi. McClusky died in 1976 and is buried in front of the U.S. Naval Institute's HQ at Beach Hall.

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 3:35 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942 during the Battle of Midway, USS Nautilus attempted to deliver the coup de grâce to the burning carrier Kaga. Nautilus hit Kaga amidship, but the notoriously unreliable Mark 14 torpedo failed to detonate. Japanese sailors then used the broken torpedo as a life raft.

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 7:36 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

This is LCDR John Waldron and Chief Radioman Horace Dobbs taking off from USS Hornet in a TBD Devastator #OTD in 1942 during the Battle of Midway. They would not return. All 15 of Torpedo Squadron 8's Devastators from the Hornet were shot down while attacking Japanese carriers.

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 10:37 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Of the 51 torpedo bombers that attacked the Japanese fleet #OTD in 1942 during the Battle of Midway, only 7 returned. One was a Grumman TBF Avenger from Torpedo Squadron 8. Engineers identified 64 machine-gun bullet and nine 20-mm cannon hits on the airplane.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 3:42 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/airbus-unveil-wingman-stealth-fighter-drone/

[unborn pewter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibuya_incident

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqzHBEXl8_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=759f-CHW-S8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wiiKSYrv8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0qlOOE8G_k

[desert agate]

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/news/hmas-sydney-fitted-with-naval-strike-missile

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798391136849150158
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798391139550249205

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, over 100 feet of USS Pittsburgh's bow was snapped off by a typhoon near Okinawa. The heavy cruiser managed to make it to Guam where she was referred to as the "Longest Ship in the World" because the distance from bow to stern was thousands of miles.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 4:27 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The bow was later salvaged and towed to port. It was nicknamed "USS McKeesport" after the suburb of Pittsburgh.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 4:27 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798476401777234041

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, Allied forces were at sea to prepare for the invasion of Normandy. These U.S. Coast Guardsmen and U.S. Army soldiers passed the time by gambling with their newly issued French francs. The photographer noted that the Coast Guardsmen cleaned out the soldiers.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 10:06 PM

[desert agate]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/dday-eightieth-anniversary-normandy-landings-australian-veteran-remembers-world-war-two-invasion/e5b9ebd7-e4d0-4bbd-a10a-e016ea123ac9 'A sight I'll never forget': Australian D-Day veteran shares memories of great invasion

It’s rarely discussed but 3000 Australians participated in D-day, mostly in the air forces although there was a few attache personnel on the ground too, to find lessons that could be used for Australia’s own maritime operations in the Pacific

[runic ermine]

Another thing that's rarely discussed is the US Ranger's landing at pointe du hoc

[desert agate]

that is very often discussed imo

in fact its hard to see a discussion about Omaha that doesn't involve Du Hoc

and having stood there myself, I can see why

[runic ermine]

It just seems absent from a lot of media

The main focus are the beaches

[desert agate]

it's mentioned quite extensively in the documentaries ive watched

[visual rover]

The royal netherlands navy “air-defence and command frigate: HNLMS Tromp F-803” will coming visit to japan soon
https://x.com/defensiemin/status/1797176756849307742?s=61

Kajsa Ollongren (@DefensieMin) on X

I had a good conversation with my Japanese counterpart minister Kihara. The Netherlands and Japan are increasing our defence cooperation. The upcoming visit of our frigate HNLMS Tromp to Japan is a good example of this. #SLD24

Twitter · Jun 2, 2024, 8:01 AM

[runic ermine]

One thing I know that isn't mentioned as much are these guys
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Canadian_Parachute_Battalion

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1798746325481394260?t=iVHZ6FLpzuko3oP8aicczw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Two T-34 tanks with reinforced concrete armour arrived for trials #OTD in 1943. This armour consisted of modular cubes which could be replaced in field conditions when they were damaged. No penetration trials were held, as the armour was too heavy. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Jun 6, 2024, 3:58 PM

[tawny lava]

The minecraft tank

[runic ermine]

War thunder gonna charge $70 for this

[supple sandal]

Ehhhhh

About 7.0-8.0

So

Maybe About $50

Wait that T-34

The 76mm?

[ivory ridge]

how are you gonna put a t-34 at 7.0

did you confuse it with the t34

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1798816051456565711

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a59l3yBbmIs

[shrewd pecan]

gigga chieftain

https://vxtwitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1799108651803697456

[digital mantle]

What ships—as well as their class and factions—used the Single 113mm Dual-Purpose Mark IV Gun mounts?

[wintry moat]

113mm sounds like an RN caliber

[manic latch]

It is

[wintry moat]

Its just about a 4.5

[tawny lava]

Royal navy gun

[wintry moat]

Idk what class had it tho

besides like

[tawny lava]

C class for one

[wintry moat]

Early DDs

[manic latch]

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/W_and_Z-class_destroyer

[tawny lava]

HMS Crozier, later HNoMS Trondheim

[wintry moat]

Cool

The more ya know

[grave ravine]

from Navweaps, the drawing is of the RP50 Mk 5* mod 2s found on the Tribal class Frigates

[digital mantle]

Thanks y’all!

[digital mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-knowing-is-half-the-battle-knowing-battle-gif-25791425

[wintry moat]

I can hear that

I've watched a good bit of GI Joe and Transformers As a kid

[maiden citrus]

Punching commander cobra is on my bucket list

[wintry moat]

lol

Actually

[grave ravine]

It was used on various British midwar destroyers, with latewar ones moving to the twin mounts, the 60s Tribal class frigates getting guns from C class destroyers being scrapped at the time

[wintry moat]

The folks that make the Invincible Comics are combining Transformers and GI Joe into one continuity

from what I've heard its been going well

[runic ermine]

He's back
https://youtu.be/M4DKk4kqMdk?si=CmKK6qHtX-Z9FhzN

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/Chieftain_armor/status/1799194103164658049

The Chieftain (@Chieftain_armor) on X

National Interest seems confused. Look at the article from the day before

Twitter · Jun 7, 2024, 9:37 PM

TNI... sigh, wonderful

[tough quail]

oh god america please no

[glass trail]

i dont get it

[tough quail]

dont attack us with your single tech demo mockup that isn't in active consideration whatsoever

[fierce sparrow]

if your familiar with TNI or The National Interest, that blasted article website.... ughhh

It's garbage

[glass trail]

tbf thats basically what the t14s are

[tough quail]

if you think you can compare the abrams x thing to T-14s you have actual brain damage

iirc the thing isn't even really done on request, GDLS just kind of made a goofy tech demonstrator to wave at the army

[twilit geyser]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/plane-crashes-between-orcas-island-and-johns-island/

RIP

He's the one that took this photo in 1968

[unborn pewter]

100% real proof power of houthi ballistic missile 💪💪💪

this is bullshit but i think it would be funny to be posted here

[manic latch]

Nah it's real

I punched the deck so hard it collapsed

[unborn pewter]

🤯 😱

[autumn sorrel]

For BMD-4 program, it said that Russian re-design it so it share components with BMP-3. Which components exactly?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ykdE5-nW4

[supple sandal]

Turning old mig-19 into kamikaze drone

Honestly sound like a quite good idea

[unborn pewter]

i prefer old migs to be turned into smth similar to MQ-9 drones

UAV doing COIN stuff

and also air to air combat if possible

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-man-facepalm-john-spartan-oh-no-stressed-out-gif-17652565

[maiden citrus]

the one person who voted for the netherlands to get them onto the chart

[obtuse palm]

Everyone is approaching it from an "if X isn't there, how likely would German win" rather than who hurt Germany the most lol

[tawny lava]

Kind of a useless chart tbh

You know it was just made to farm rage commments

[manic latch]

Sang

[runic ermine]

Why is France higher than the Soviets?

[manic latch]

Cold war education or smh

[supple sandal]

Is this even add up to 100

[manic latch]

Do basic math

[supple sandal]

I mean

British bias

If the poll is asked in new york you would even get worse answers like "what the hell is ww2"

[shadow frost]

Is there much difference between the JS Atago class and USS Arleigh Burke class destroyers? They look extremely similar.

(If I slap the number 177 on the side of a USS Arleigh Burke model, could it pass off as JS Atago to an untrained eye?)

[subtle prawn]

The superstructures of the two are different enough

[chilly osprey]

It depends a bit on exactly which Burke you look at.

[chilly osprey]

They were built at the same time as the original Flight IIA run, so that's probably the best comparison to make.

The Atago-class are overall larger, coming in at 10,000 tonnes full load to the 9,668t of a Flight IIA, with a similar propulsion system but slightly lower electrical power generation.

One of the most obvious external differences is that, much like the Kongo-class, the Japanese DDG features a larger deckhouse, and an extra deck level to expand command and control capabilities, as they are designed to act as a fleet flagship in a way the Flight IIA and earlier Burke's were not. This has the effect of raising the their bridge a deck over where it is on a Burke, as well as their SPY-1D(V) panels.

Otherwise, the Atago-class also use a domestic Japanese electronic warfare suite, use a domestic lightweight torpedo launch system, and only have a single aft helicopter for one MH-60, versus the Burke Flt IIA's two hangars.

The Atago-class has the same 96 VLS of a Burke Flt IIA, but has a somewhat different mix of missiles - the SM-2MR SAM, SM-3 (ABM), Type 07 (VLA equivalent), and, eventually, SM-6. A Flt IIA Burke can utilize ESSM, SM-2MR, SM-6, SM-3, Tomahawk, and VLA. An Atago also has two quadruple canister launchers for the Type 90 anti-ship missile, while the Burke Flt IIA do not carry canister launchers for AShMs.

[desert agate]

based as fuck

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1799624622536786315

[grave ravine]

Atago doesn't carry ESSM?

[chilly osprey]

None of the Japanese DDGs do

They focus on providing medium-range AAW for the escort flotillas and BMD work, and leave short range air defense work to the DDs, which do carry ESSM.

[wise geyser]

Hey, two questions:
Anyone knows who the middle ship is? Can't find any source with names mentioned.
Second, what are the domes on the middle ship, Coverings for the open AA placements while the ship is docked/mothballed?

[shrewd pecan]

Japan purchased ESSMs so

some of them might of received integration

[manic latch]

Cmon chief it's super obvious

[maiden citrus]

middle ship is New Jersey, and yes for the coverings

[manic latch]

It's New Jersey

[maiden citrus]

pretty sure this photo is from the 60s of them in a mothball facility

[manic latch]

67

New Jersey has smooth bow, so she is easy to spot

[wise geyser]

I'm not really good in identifying ships on their superstructure / hull differences sadly. Thanks mate.

And yes, I am ashamed of not recognizing our Honey

[wise geyser]

Thx too you as well

[manic latch]

Just study these

[rapid junco]

Reminds me when Epic history TV made a pool about
"What do you think was the turning point of WWI"
Majority of the comments were of people asking of the Eastern front
Because they thought the post was about WWII
People also asking of lend & lease

[visual rover]

Today 9 June 2024 the Netherlands Navy Frigate: “HNLMS Tromp F-803” sail to near japan https://x.com/kon_marine/status/1799798104474194293?s=61

Koninklijke Marine (@kon_marine) on X

https://t.co/JJ5CCX4i1D. Tromp voert een Passing Exercise en crosspoll uit met JS Akebono. 🇯🇵 De Japanse Marine zet zich nadrukkelijk in voor een ‘Free and Open Indo-Pacific’. Door een Passing Exercise uit te voeren, leren we van elkaar en elkaars manier van werken. @jmsdf_srh

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 1:38 PM

[rapid junco]

And the ones about WWI proper
Were reflecting the most voted option
That the turning point was the entry of the US in the war

[autumn sorrel]

The Failure of the German High Sea fleet to break Britain blockade

Germany lack of resource due to blockade and continuously fighting on all front completely sapped any advantage in manpower they have over France and UK, plus the fact that the Russian manage to hold on for 3yrs tie up a lot of German and Astro Hung in the East, while the quagmire that is the Isonzo Front further divert German attention.

[rapid junco]

It was one of the options
Not phrased like that

It was the second most voted

[autumn sorrel]

Frankly, there are no definitive turning point, it is an combination of many event and factor that ultimately lead to German defeat.

Tho, if you want me to point to whom responsible for this then Wilhelm would bear the majority of blame.

[autumn sorrel]

For fuck up Bismarck carefully crafted relation with UK over petty Imperial ambition.

For destroying Alliance with Russia for a dying Empire because he feel like it.

Ok, maybe the Serbs also have the blame on this as well, how the fuck did they think killing a Crown Prince of Astro Hungary gonna help with their Independence?

[sullen canyon]

Because no one knew about the 300+ secret alliances that were active at the time?

[autumn sorrel]

Even then, assassinate local Austrian official is one thing, killing the Crown Prince to send what message?

[remote monolith]

the Black Hand was afaik an extremely radical military secret society, and they absolutely do not want Austria to manage to pacify Serbians peacefullly through integration because they want all Serbians within Austria to be in the country Serbia proper

iirc Franz Ferdinand was a bit more reform-minded and willing to do some major changes, which would hinder their goal

[autumn sorrel]

So bloody fanatical want to reshape the world in the way they want

[manic latch]

Same reasons as terrorists do

Dramatical events tends to attract attention for even people who has no desire of politics

When more people learn about the situation, they begin to learn it's politics too

Terrorism might actually be responsible for eventual freedom of Algeria from France for example

How does that happen?

See terrorists usually bet on a gamble

"I'm gonna make an horrifying act by expecting the punishment will be even more horrible from opposing nation"

If the response to the terrorist attack is harsher and longer by the victim nation, that victim nation slowly begins to lose its victim perceptive on globe

For example France's torture and collective punishment as answer to Algerian terrorism

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Philippeville#French_retaliation

Good example

[visual rover]

10 June 2024 “HNLMS Tromp F803” she anchor in Nagasaki, Japan https://x.com/nlinjapan/status/1800035587761541361?s=61

Embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Japan (@NLinJapan) on X

Konnichiwa ! After a long journey the Tromp has finally reached Nagasaki, Japan. With the arrival of the Tromp, we celebrate over 400 years of Dutch-Japanese maritime ties!

Twitter · Jun 10, 2024, 5:21 AM

[manic latch]

June 10, 1961 (62 years ago) the USSR General Staff presented a plan to transfer nuclear missiles to Cuba .

At a meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on June 10, 1962, a plan for an operation developed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union for the transfer and deployment of missiles in Cuba, codenamed “Anadyr,” was presented.

The operation was planned and led by Marshal of the Soviet Union Ivan Khristoforovich Bagramyan.

The plan called for the deployment of two types of ballistic missiles: the R-12, with a range of about 2,000 km, and the R-14, with a range twice that.

Both types of missiles were equipped with 1 Mt thermonuclear warheads.

Due to the particular haste, the plan was adopted without approval - implementation began immediately after receiving Castro’s consent

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYk_a9WAuW4

[autumn sorrel]

Now I wonder, where that's gun come from?

[visual rover]

Royal Netherlands Frigate: “HNLMS Tromp F-803” visit in Nagasaki, Japan a video https://youtu.be/ejMYGQm4_Yg?si=aTDfls4f_G02XihY

[pure zephyr]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a60928467/missing-world-war-ii-plane-discovered-after-80-years/

[manic latch]

On June 8, 1966, the second prototype of the supersonic strategic bomber XB-70A Valkyrie, which was capable of reaching speeds equal to three Mach speeds, crashed in the United States.

During an unauthorized US Air Force promotional photo shoot for General Electric (which intended to photograph aircraft powered by its engines, including the Valkyrie), a Lockheed F-104N Starfighter, N813NA, was flown by NASA Chief Test Pilot Joseph Walker. , got into a wake from the wing of the XB-70A-2 (w/n 62-0207). The F-104, flying to the right of the Valkyrie, touched the lowered tip of the bomber's right wing with its wing, rolled over its fuselage, knocking off both fins, hit the left console and exploded .

Valkyrie continued to fly straight and level for another 16 seconds before the plane went into a tailspin. The XB-70 pilot, Alvin White, was able to eject in the final seconds before crashing. The landing of the capsule with a half-opened parachute was very rough, White received serious injuries and did not regain consciousness for three days. Joe Walker and XB-70 co-pilot US Air Force Major Carl Cross were killed.

[wintry moat]

My buddy told me about that

What a horrifying way to go out

[shrewd pecan]

assorted selection of photos from like three days ago

Got a horrible picture of it but also spotted a K105A1 on my way to the airport today

last thing ROK military wise I saw before heading back to the states

[autumn sorrel]

I see a little of convergence evolution there

[shrewd pecan]

When you have shittons of M101s it only makes sense

[manic latch]

@visual rover sorry lad
https://x.com/seawaves_mag/status/1800645581439738231

SeaWaves Magazine (@seawaves_mag) on X

Due to ongoing personnel shortages, the Royal Netherlands Navy has cancelled Navy Days scheduled for July 27.

Twitter · Jun 11, 2024, 9:45 PM

[visual rover]

They have planned the MarineDagen (Navy’s Day) to in 2027 open

[rapid junco]

Today is our Navy Day
Which is based on the day the Battle of Riachuelo was fought

But the term navy day is a recent change that started in 2023

Until them, it was only referred to
"Battle of the Riachuelo day"

Honestly the "Navy Day" should be on November 10th
On "Fleet Day"
Because on that day in 1822, the Brazilian flag was hoisted for the first time on a vessel

[visual rover]

@manic latch
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2024/06/11/geen-marinedagen-in-2025

[knotty ibex]

On this day 113 years ago, Royal Mail Steamship Olympic docked in Liverpool, England, preparing for its maiden voyage to New York.

Olivia Carlisle, the ship's commander and Anna's older sister, didn't care much for all the fanfare and tourists swarming the decks. Instead of mingling with visitors alongside her captain Edward John Smith (dubbed "The Millionaires' Captain" for his love of socializing), Olivia chose to spend today lounging in the cool summer breeze, and easing her tense mind with a cigarette.

[supple sandal]

It feel weird seeing green and gray Abrams now

[frozen kestrel]

It'd be like seeing a tan Sherman. You get so used to it looking a certain way, and then suddenly it's different and it just feels wrong.

[eternal veldt]

Now, tan shermans arent too strange

Especially since the Israelis use them with their Sand Grey

[autumn sorrel]

It could be worse, it could be Abrams with old US urban camo

[junior trench]

what are you even talking about

[subtle prawn]

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/06/11/knds-leonardo-rupture-could-nix-italian-leopard-2-tank-buy/

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjX5_KprcEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b45apgcoeo

[autumn sorrel]

Abrams with UCP camo

[junior trench]

I don't know why I expecting to see images of some special non-MERDC/CARC camo I was unaware of

my expectations remain too high

UCP isn't a vehicle camouflage pattern

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, Ukr hasn't repaint their Abrams in the their Digital style camo yet

[junior trench]

the fuck does that have to with UCP and urban pattern camouflage

[autumn sorrel]

Digital style camo, I guess

[ivory ridge]

Knds was mad that we would modify them or something

Lmao

[junior trench]

least troublesome German industrial partner

[manic latch]

Nato configuration brainrot

Eyy Italian Abrams

[junior trench]

what

no

Germany is just up to their usual bullshit

[manic latch]

New options mention buying Panther instead

[ivory ridge]

Nah that wont happen

1- it doesn't exist yet

2- support variants arent even planned

The 2a8 deal included engineering vehicles, bridglelayers and stuff

[autumn sorrel]

Huh, am I missing something here? Italian trying to buy Leo2?

They can't find money to upgrade Ariete but can spare fund for Leo2?

[tawny lava]

Buying leo 2 is probably a better idea than upgrading the arietes

[manic latch]

Ariete is bad

New Leo2s would have been better

Tho that seems dead ish

[ivory ridge]

Both of those things are happening

Or well, supposed to

Now looking for another future MBT

[chilly osprey]

The plan was to do an MLU on 125 C1 Ariete, in combination with the procurement of 132 Leopard 2A8IT and 140 Leopard 2-based support platforms to replace the old fleet.

This was coming in tandem with a decision to bulk up their tank battalions with an extra company and add a new battalion for a new 'heavy' mechanized brigade.

The 'C2' Ariete would replace the old Ariete in the existing formations, and then when the Leopard 2A8IT's would start to arrive they would be assigned to the armored battalions of the 132° Ariete Armored Brigade, replacing C2 Ariete that would then be transferred first to the armored battalion of the Garibaldi mechanized brigade, and then the remainder to the armored battalion of whichever existing mechanized brigade was to be upgraded.

In this way the armored strength of the Italian army was to go from 123 MBT's (of 200 total) to 216 tanks (of 257 total).

This would then be followed by the new next generation MBT, via an multinational program, which would displace the Leopard 2A8IT's to the mechanized brigades, and in the long term entirely replace them.

The MLU for the Ariete is still ongoing regardless and will at a bare minimum support (but only just) the existing operational strenght of the Italian army's armored battalions.

The issue in the medium to long term is sustaining that strength until whatever future tank program arrives, and the inability to expanded the armored forces without the interim solution of Leopard 2A8IT.

TBH I think the Leopard 2A8IT deal was already looking troubled since April.

A significant aspect of the build in Italy and integration of Italian systems into the tanks that would serve in the Italian army was not just for the sake of commonality of C2 for the tanks + communication with other Italian platforms, but also to better integrated Italian industry with whoever was going to partner for the ACIS program (for IFV)'s and in the long run, MGCS.

But France and Germany seem to have decided to stick with the strict workshare pillars of MGCS that locks everyone else out of significant input on the design, industrial content, workshare, etc.

Which sort of kills that whole approach.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXg5TgaDXS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP8kFUgk1sU

[visual rover]

This is Dutch-Belgian planned new “Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate” for Belgium and Netherlands Navy

HNLMS Tromp F-803 anchor in Nagasaki at Night
https://x.com/dd_115akizuki/status/1800526642596700164?s=61

あ き づ き (@dd_115Akizuki) on X

2024/6/10　長崎港
かつて出島にて日蘭の交流があった経緯から長崎へ寄港したオランダ海軍の艦艇。海自艦艇との違い等をまじまじと見れて、退勤後に長崎へ走った甲斐がありました(笑)
オランダ海軍　デ・ゼーヴェン・プロヴィンシェン級フリゲート　トロンプ
HNLMS Tromp F803
#Akizuki_Military

Twitter · Jun 11, 2024, 1:52 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/AndreiBtvt/status/1800921780389109921/en

[vague merlin]

I love the headlights.

[remote monolith]

actual question, how many fleets are in US carrier strike groups at any given time these days?

[desert agate]

There are only 6 numbered fleets and 5 have a carrier permanently stationed

There’s been talk of reestablishing 1st fleet though

[shrewd pecan]

French evaluation of the F-15 & F-18

[visual rover]

Holland class Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland-class_offshore_patrol_vessel

[autumn sorrel]

Why do I have a feeling that the Royal Netherland Navy is more of a floating advertisement for Damen

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icXn0gzaQNk

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1801290080855773498

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1984, the Leander-class frigate HMS Jupiter became wedged under London Bridge after the captain had declined to use available tugs to help navigate the currents of the Thames. The accident resulted in significant damage to both the ship and the landmark.

Twitter · Jun 13, 2024, 4:26 PM

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/admiral-versio-inferno-squad-gerrick-versio-piett-piett-you-fool-gif-21576158

[desert agate]

That’s how national shipyards work yes

[remote monolith]

sorry, major miswording, I meant to ask how many SHIPS are in a fleet

aside from the centerpiece carrier, typically how many escort does it has, alongside support vessels

[desert agate]

As in how many ships are in a carrier strike group?

A fleet consists of dozens of ships many of which aren’t doing anything related to the CSG

[remote monolith]

alright that's all I need to know, ty

[visual rover]

14 June 2024 royal netherlands navy air-defence and command frigate: “HNLMS Tromp F-803” she leaving Nagasaki sail to the sea

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoWiUUgjGy8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BD1EcPZjCM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt4_YaOAz6k

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1801742658823389586

[supple sandal]

https://youtu.be/Dt4_YaOAz6k

[manic latch]

94 chuds

[manic latch]

US is so lucky Twitter didn't existed during Vietnam war

[runic ermine]

Yeah

[supple sandal]

Why?

I can't see how Twitter would help

[sullen canyon]

If anything, them broadcasting the Vietnam War on the TV was pretty much the Twitter in their day of sorts

[manic latch]

Nah I meant like

Imagine Vietnamese recording American soldiers falling into spike traps and adding a music behind it as montage

That %100 would happen if twitter and wide use of cameras were a thing

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/ChungTzuW/status/1801956211325034565

Chung-Tzu (@ChungTzuW) on X

T-64A with Strela-3 MANPADS

Twitter · Jun 15, 2024, 12:33 PM

[visual rover]

Royal Netherlands Navy “NH90 NATO Frigate Helicopter (NFH)”
https://www.defensie.nl/onderwerpen/materieel/vliegtuigen-en-helikopters/nh90#:~:text=De NH90 is in de,logistic Support Ship Karel Doorman.

[autumn sorrel]

That will be very distasteful, I can see the propaganda department do such thing but that will be counter-productive because it paint Vietnamese as barbaric

If anything, Vietnamese would rather US troop be the one who record theirs atrocities and post that shit, because there are always one guy dumb enough to record him burning a village then post it as if it is something to be proud of.

[manic latch]

Yeah this reminds me

P-51 pilot: Hmmm, today I'm gonna record myself strafing random fisherman

https://youtube.com/shorts/BrOCH7jTDTY?si=r5lQZfY3r78AFP4D

You won't get this in a Hollywood movie

[supple sandal]

The war trophy policy changed during Vietnam

People told me it is because of some soldiers taking human ear or what not back home

[runic ermine]

Cursed

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/GD_LandSystems/status/1802052945611047060

General Dynamics Land Systems (@GD_LandSystems) on X

M-SHORAD Increment 1 has a new name! The @usarmy announced that its Maneuver Short Range Air Defense capability will be called the Sgt Stout, in honor of Mitchell W. Stout, who was killed in action while shielding his fellow Soldiers from a grenade in Vietnam.

He is the only

Twitter · Jun 15, 2024, 6:57 PM

[supple sandal]

Where the hydra rocket pod modification

[desert agate]

Quite possibly the worst helicopter ever contracted

An exceptional platform in all respects, far superior to the platforms it replaced with by far the worst contracting requirements ever devised which single-handedly killed all of the capability the platform provided

It’s little surprise that its most significant overseas buyers are abandoning it for older platforms with less restrictive contracts

[desert agate]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-16/fiji-works-to-recover-patrol-boat-that-ran-aground/103983462

[manic latch]

https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/15/v-22-flights-to-remain-restricted-until-2025/

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/zKHkKpXgCIw?si=odhFMaQtBzpoVCLS

[visual rover]

But NH90 is main helicopter of the royal netherlands navy service by the warships using to missions ASW or transport marine

[manic latch]

[junior trench]

only after rejecting them until Airbus fixed 75/100 deficiencies

[subtle prawn]

What the hell went wrong with it anyways?

[desert agate]

That doesn’t make it any less atrocious

[junior trench]

the common claim is the problem came from there being many different versions due to how many customers there were

the problem being the crippling issues were with core systems which weren't effected

which is to say something in the core of the design is just "sickly" as some would say

[desert agate]

contracting issues were by far the largest killer of the program

ADFs experience with the Taipan was such that, during the summer 2020 black summer fires, much of the fleet was unable to fly because the engines ingested so much smoke, and airbus wouldn't allow ADF to stockpile engine components, thus we had to wait for Airbus to ship new engines from Europe, however airbus had not expected high rates of atrition for their engines, in European flying conditions, rotors and landing gear were the most often replaced components, therefore they had almost no stockpile of engines and had to build new ones before shipping them, taking months to arrive

and other countries had similar issues, Belgium was briefly left without any flying helicopters because all of their taipans were down because Airbus was struggling to ship parts

and again, buyers werent allowed to have their own domestic stockpiles

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, Airbus don't modify their heli to customer specs?

Or Airbus just don't want their buyers to self maintainance?

[ivory ridge]

no rocket pod but the variant mounts hellfires

[manic latch]

https://fixvx.com/AlexLuck9/status/1802343439331188809?t=sN_HxZB8soaipc8theoLdA&s=19

[runic ermine]

@manic latch

Take a look at this

[manic latch]

I shared it before ye

There are 2 modifications of it right now

[runic ermine]

I just thought that this one was different

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/HkNBmmWc0GU?si=BtztV2Fa4pnoPg35

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/LWggo0ORTks?si=pjLdWFX8ZNv4WgES

[tribal mortar]

So we are waiting for next premium tank to War Thunder...

Soviet Panther with 85 mm gun on, idk, 5.0 or 5.3?

[hexed vale]

[hexed vale]

[hexed vale]

Crazy night at the club

[alpine onyx]

Poor Eugen

But at least that incident provided a chance for her to demonstrate the steering via machinery

[hexed vale]

Steering via no-clipping

[junior jacinth]

https://youtu.be/8PCmXyLJB5M?si=v-I3Jb61Q7dQMYz2

[runic ermine]

Isn't that the guy who built a bunch of bunkers

[junior jacinth]

Yep, the bastard himself.

[manic latch]

I think his main flaw was overstaying his position

Since I think he did improve Albania's conditions alot after ww2

Him becoming more totalitarian and isolationist is what caused bad part of his rule

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-blink-big-eyes-short-gif-gif-27595067

[autumn sorrel]

Not him being a Stalinist?

[manic latch]

Think like being Christian actually

You can be Christian that chooses to burn heretics on stake

Or you can be Saint like

It's your choice

[hexed vale]

Catholic equivalent of Mother Teresa public image vs Mother Teresa actually

Which mother Teresa did you wake up as today

[junior trench]

Mother "suffering is good actually" Theresa

[runic ermine]

Worst weapons of each category:

Pistol: Nambu Type 94
Submachine gun: Sten mk1 or M50 Rising
Machine gun: Breda M30
Rifle: Last ditch arisaka
Semi auto rifle: Lahti L36

[frozen kestrel]

Incident also sorta gave her the flat Arleigh Burke-looking stern for a short stint

[autumn sorrel]

Only Nambu and Arisaka

Rest are bad but not the absolute worst

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan unmanned turret

War thunder BR future is all unmanned turret mbts

[runic ermine]

You had to load the L36 upside down

[manic latch]

T-14, Abrams X, French EMBT, Kf-51 unamnned turret variant, Leopard 2 A-RC

[autumn sorrel]

You mean top mounted magazine? A conscious choice to fire while prone and give shooter the lowest profile possible?

[runic ermine]

No. You had to flip the rifle upside down and insert 5 round striper clips

It could only hold 5 rounds

[tawny lava]

Awesome stuff

[wintry moat]

I know!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5sDdlLojU

[runic ermine]

Has anybody ever heard of the Operation AL diversion myth?

I'm just asking cuz recently a documentary was made
https://youtu.be/LWggo0ORTks?si=zMD20wjGcym8Se_p

[manic latch]

Can't wait for Undef's resurrection

Michelangelo is destined to appear soon

[ivory ridge]

didnt know i died

[ivory ridge]

If you're talking about the pr7 thing you know they specifically said CA right

[manic latch]

CB are shown in CA category

[ivory ridge]

But they are not CAs

[manic latch]

For Soviets they were

And for Manjuu who knows

[ivory ridge]

they have a different class name

in the stream they said CA

so it's a CA

[manic latch]

Faack

[ivory ridge]

I mean Napoli/Venezia > Michelangelo >>>>> Brindisi anyway

[ivory ridge]

garbage quality screenshot but still

anyway thats offtopic

[tribal mortar]

I get banned for saying "Shaame" in NSFW channel
Undefined N is also here
No escape from the green man

I'm glad, it's so comfy. Top tier history channel

[ivory ridge]

you seriously got banned from akcs for that

[tribal mortar]

One hundred percent lol

Glad to see you fam

[tribal mortar]

To contribute to the channel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taihō_Kōki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_Tameemon

Also, they made a cool anime profile for this guy
https://record-of-ragnarok.fandom.com/wiki/Raiden_Tameemon

[wintry moat]

Oh i saw that anime

Me and my buddies streamed it

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/KNDS_France/status/1802581909702131774

KNDS France (@KNDS_France) on X

Objectif #MGCS : KNDS expose le futur des chars de combat. Pour en savoir plus ➡️https://t.co/cGtAGllHyr

Towards MGCS: KNDS details the future of main battle tanks. More information➡️https://t.co/yZ13bLizha

Twitter · Jun 17, 2024, 5:59 AM

[runic ermine]

Cursed

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

Someone payin for those

Smart military companies ngl

[desert agate]

Oh fuck off dickhead

[desert agate]

How many times do we have to tell you to stop posting about this part of the world

[autumn sorrel]

What stream?

[mental tapir]

CN Anni stream I believe

[shrewd pecan]

never thought we’d see the flakpanzer gepard reincarnate

[subtle prawn]

Doesn't look as nice as the Gepard

[shrewd pecan]

I mean hull choice it makes sense

not really that many tracked platforms available past the M113

[subtle prawn]

I was more thinking about how it only has one gun

If it had guns on both sides, then I think it'd look better

[runic ermine]

I'm posting about tanks

The political stuff need not be associated

[runic ermine]

I think it looks kinda cool. However it's effectiveness remains to be seen

[autumn sorrel]

I love artillery

[hybrid sparrow]

A rare time i agree with Countryball. Kinda whack behaviour to think its instantly tied to politics. Which it does become if someone goes "Don't post that stuff here"

[autumn sorrel]

Varia in history chanel?

[hybrid sparrow]

I am everywhere. I just don't type unless i have to remind people not to be silly

[runic ermine]

You're even more based than I thought

[runic ermine]

Understandable

[manic latch]

@tough quail
https://youtu.be/B8555KiP2k4?si=vtQqS1SoXw86RSzp

Our current engine is underpowered

put two of them

[manic latch]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/hmas-stalwart-breaks-down-and-undergoing-repairs/103993214

Company Navantia will pay for the damages

Since they choose the engines for it

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BENaLPTmyYI

[manic latch]

"Little firepower: No problem"

needs to escape any +356mm British BB it encounters

[tawny lava]

Aka: all of them

[manic latch]

Nah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship

She should be able to defeat Revenge class

[spring briar]

R class > QE

of course, QE got upgrade priority

but R class better as built

[tawny lava]

An r class existing was enough of a deterrent

They were enough of a threat that if they were forced to duel, a scharnhorst was expected to take enough damage to end operations right there and then

I mean, a scharnhorst is absolutely capable of sinking an r class, but at what price

[manic latch]

https://news.usni.org/2024/06/18/carrier-uss-john-c-stennis-overhaul-delayed-work-will-take-more-than-5-years-to-complete

[shrewd pecan]

for reference this is from 2017 NOT FROM CURRENT EVENT

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[manic latch]

Mi-26: That's cute little one

[tribal mortar]

I don’t know it people made it? @manic latch

[manic latch]

Highly inspired from Atlantik-Flugzeugkreuzer A-III

Guns could be wrong tho

[tribal mortar]

I see that

[obtuse palm]

Possibly none, as an Scharnhorst can shoot at an R class without retaliation at 25 k yards (until much later when some of them got turret elevation upgrades)

At which point an R class' lack of deck armour is going to hurt them lol (I know Wiki says 4 in, but that was only for HMS Royal Oak around magazines as refitted, the rest had 2in + 1 in around magazine and 1.5 in + 1in around machinery)

And that deck armour is made of HT steel only rather than high quality WW1 armour

[manic latch]

Nope

Revenge class doesn't get turret elevation upgrades

[frozen kestrel]

https://archive.org/details/bb44bogp1953

Is this pdf legitimate?

[eternal veldt]

Legit.

The source is stated at the bottom of the page.

[autumn sorrel]

Mi-14?

[shrewd pecan]

yup

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/2iBOG8ozWcA?si=DlpgssewC-6z8EJc

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J8rUpR0oXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kjqEU_up4A

[manic latch]

Catalina

underrated

Naaaaah

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rk4bQJdnPQ

[naive rampart]

Heading down to watch New Jersey come home tomorrow hopefully

[muted thorn]

I am finally Northerm Parliament biased

[manic latch]

Welcome

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8waILZwCDGc

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Nickatgreat1220/status/1803442840359543264?t=0QJTkTV9lVR5k9yl1llSbA&s=19

David Wang (@Nickatgreat1220) on X

🇨🇳Army Next Gen Light Tank Renders

Twitter · Jun 19, 2024, 3:00 PM

Man

War thunder will be full of Unmanned turret Mbts

T-14, Abrams X, Leo 2 A-RC, French EMBT, Kf-51 Unmanned turret variant, and now this Chinese

[ivory ridge]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1803552288218423585

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, "The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot" began during the Battle of the Philippine Sea. U.S. pilots and A.A. gunners destroyed 600+ enemy aircraft. Flying a Grumman F6F Hellcat, Navy ace Lt. Alex Vraciu shot down 6 dive bombers in 8 minutes.

Twitter · Jun 19, 2024, 10:15 PM

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1803594485089091855?t=sRrOnxge2wohvFsRVWyJVw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Stalin was informed of the discovery of two Maus tanks #OTD in 1945. By this point, the GBTU already knew about this tank and changed the requirements of the IS-7 project to be able to combat a tank with the same armament and armour. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 1:03 AM

"Twin Towers Alliance"

It's a proposal for construction of Twin Towers, but even taller design

Being a symbol of rising from the ashes as a stronger figure

[remote monolith]

https://peerj.com/articles/17544/

SPinosaurus bros

[frozen kestrel]

I'll be honest, I don't see that going well

[manic latch]

They won't use same weak materials

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/money-nigerian-gif-23570583

Expected more for Rhein tbh

[visual rover]

20 June 2024 Japan have commissioned new Mogami class frigate the “JS Agano FFM-6” https://x.com/jmsdf_pao_eng/status/1803716054876901540?s=61

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (@jmsdf_pao_eng) on X

20 JUN, the ship Commissioning Ceremony for #FFM #AGANO was held at Nagasaki Shipyard, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
FFM AGANO is the 6th MOGAMI class , Her name comes from the AGANO River , which originates in #FUKUSHIMA Prefecture.
Will be deployed to Maizuru.

#JMSDF

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 9:06 AM

[desert agate]

i have a picture of her under construction from my visit to Nagasaki

[visual rover]

If you have her picture show me

[desert agate]

She’s one of these two

i believe shes the one in the 2nd picture tho

[autumn sorrel]

Can't wait for this to be debunk in the next 6 months

[grave ravine]

Rheinmetall is a lot smaller than Thales, L3, Leonardo, or BAE

[naive rampart]

Welcome back New Jersey!

[fickle junco]

New Jersey is back home in Camden.

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Mh3dsln9M&ab_channel=JamieGriffiths

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1803915849276780572?t=epiZ3uNpCBpdh10HksW-rw&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

Both a welded and a cast hull were developed for the Medium Tank T6. #OTD in 1941 the Ordnance Committee settled on the cast hull as the primary type, since this variant was 10% cheaper to produce. This variant evolved into the Medium Tank M4A1. #tanks #history #WW2 #WW2

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 10:20 PM

[tawny lava]

Those fixed hull MGs are so funny

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKrJYm_zK0

[runic ermine]

Muliple reasons

80 years ago today
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarakan_(1945)

[visual rover]

I see bow ship number 5 is JS Yahagi

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1804258163719311704

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

A starboard bow view of the battleship USS Iowa (BB-61) firing a broadside during NATO exercise BALTOPS '85.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Jun 21, 2024, 9:00 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/Article/3813156/secnav-names-future-guided-missile-frigate-uss-galvez-ffg-67/

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/06/australia-cuts-steel-on-its-first-hunter-class-frigate/

[desert agate]

Guided missile destroyer HMAS Perth checking in to the port control office in Hobart

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/zoW-EPCEi7g?si=kQcn5lJY9D9FmgE4

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3BMx_JSg88

[runic ermine]

Worst defeats of each nation in ww2
Britain: Singapore
US: Hurgen Forest
USSR: Kiev 1941
France: Fall of France
China: Operation Ichi-Go
Canada: Dieppe
Germany: Operation Bagration
Italy: Greece
Japan: At sea Midway, on land Battle of Okinawa
Romania: Stalingrad
Hungary: Budapest offensive
Finland: Vyborg–Petrozavodsk offensive

Feel free to add or ask

[round elbow]

Wouldn't Pearl Harbor be a much worse defeat than Hurgen Forest?

[runic ermine]

Losses and performance

[junior jacinth]

[round elbow]

As in?

[junior jacinth]

I think the Vietnam war is probably the worst defeat for USA

[runic ermine]

It's of ww2

[junior jacinth]

Oh ok

[runic ermine]

Pearl Harbor was a war crime. Japan attacked the US without declaring war. Also despite the losses it was a recoverable defeat

The Americans also preformed well for being taken by surprise

[junior jacinth]

Albania: Italian invasion

[manic latch]

For US I think this is worse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_campaign_(1941–1942)

[runic ermine]

Eh....

[manic latch]

This part of it especially

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan

[round elbow]

That probably is worse.

[runic ermine]

In terms of War crimes yes

[manic latch]

https://x.com/Tank_Archives/status/1804726664154194344?t=8T3OTIYK65b706FVSb_O5Q&s=19

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives) on X

The famous Raseiniai KV tank arrived in the village of Raseiniai #OTD in 1941. Remaining stationary at a crossroads, this tank single handedly held back Kampfgruppe Raus for two days, surviving attacks by 88 mm AA guns and demolition charges. #tanks #history #WW2 #WWII

Twitter · Jun 23, 2024, 4:02 AM

[visual rover]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/06/hnlms-karel-doorman-to-be-fitted-with-76-gun-and-ram/

[timber linden]

Isn't there a meme about paleontologists getting into fist fights over spinosaurus

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/ron_eisele/status/1804936621210403226

Ron Eisele (@ron_eisele) on X

24 June 1922. In Lakehurst, New Jersey, construction began on the USS Shenandoah ZR-1 airship, based on plans for the German Imperial Navy. Zeppelin LZ-96 (L49).

Twitter · Jun 23, 2024, 5:56 PM

[sly socket]

hydrogen should be a good substitute :D

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk_ehFreeYw

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/2805662/status/1804829215252210086

[eternal veldt]

Repulse and Prince of Wales - surveyed in 2019 and declassified last year only - before the big arrest last year.

[cinder escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/chatbubble-gif-27298612

[willow jungle]

Sooo, Seydlitz is uhh... Have Kaiser-class inspired design I guess???

[spring briar]

Seydlitz is an escalated Goeben design

[wintry moat]

Jesus, they cracked her open

[wise vessel]

what arrests were made related to the wrecks? illegal diving / stealing metal?

[ivory ridge]

Ay Sovraponte gun

[wintry moat]

believe so

[frozen kestrel]

These images make me angry

[runic ermine]

Same. Those ships aren't just ships. They're also the only grave that the crew ever got

[frozen kestrel]

Not only is what was happening grave robbery, but even worse it was the robbery of war graves.

[wintry moat]

Exactly

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/china-flag-chinese-red-flag-gif-26192858

[desert agate]

#al-lore

[covert yoke]

Oh, my bad, wrong channel 😅

[frozen kestrel]

No fucking way-

[wise vessel]

we're gonna see a t-34 next istg

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, it is common knowledge for over a year now that they press T-55 and T-62 from storage into fire support unit to act as pseudo arty.

[desert agate]

https://x.com/3brigadetsv/status/1805445695396364503?s=46

Brigadier Dave McCammon (@3BrigadeTSV) on X

3 CER construct obstacles with Engineers from the Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force 🇦🇺🇯🇵

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 3:39 AM

[visual rover]

https://x.com/kon_marine/status/1805529092512530914?s=61

Koninklijke Marine (@kon_marine) on X

On our way to @RimofthePacific!⚓

📸 https://t.co/JJ5CCX3Kc5. Tromp 🇳🇱, RSS Stalwart 🇸🇬, ROKS Yi Sun-sin 🇰🇷 & JS Kunisaki 🇯🇵

#koninklijkemarine #pacificarcher #RIMPAC2024

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 9:10 AM

[manic latch]

This is like

A year old now?

How come you just saw it

[frozen kestrel]

Admittedly, I don't really follow the war news that closely

[autumn sorrel]

Ah yes, the laser

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWG6OEFWNs

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Wheels too small

Augh

[wise vessel]

it has eyes

and a very grumpy face

[ivory ridge]

Looks like a Patria hull with a bootleg Hitfact II

lol

[autumn sorrel]

Wheeled Sabrah?

[ivory ridge]

Taiwanese next gen fsv

[autumn sorrel]

Ah

I mean, it at least should be more mobile and road friendly than their CM series of tanks

[ivory ridge]

well it's based on the cm-34

[autumn sorrel]

Lol, the development history of that AFV

The company that produce the chassis cutting cost by using Chinese made cheap component, all head of the company were sent to jail because of that, lol

[glass trail]

the sun is a deadly laser

[shrewd pecan]

what gun is that thing even running

ah its a 105

[autumn sorrel]

Turret too boxy

[shrewd pecan]

idk man what do you expect

[autumn sorrel]

MGS style turret

[shrewd pecan]

mgs turret gives them far less space to work with

[autumn sorrel]

But I guess watching how US abandon it in favor of manual loading make them prefer the old true and tried method

[shrewd pecan]

also introduces issues like feeding the ammo into the turret

[autumn sorrel]

I know MGS problems but the future is still gonna autoloader, it just the current systems are still too complex and take up too much space

Wasn't Centauro have an autoloading prototype turret? What system did they use?

Yeah, HITFACT Turret

[ivory ridge]

talking about 105mm on wheels we finally got a pic of the Centuaro 2 with the 105 instead of the 120

even if this means that with the 105 you have the same number of rounds as the 120, 12 in the turret and a bunch in the back

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/TankMuseum/status/1805896435528872256

The Tank Museum (@TankMuseum) on X

The FV4005 has arrived! Restorations like these are possible thanks to our generous supporters. Support The Tank Museum to preserve vehicles like the FV4005.

Join now for behind-the-scenes content, free entry, discounts, and more!

🔍️ Find out more: https://t.co/EpefQ11J16

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 9:30 AM

[shrewd pecan]

its easier to feed the autoloader from the turret

than it is to feed it from the hull

MGS's autoloader was extremely problematic especially when you're working with a hull that wasn't purpose built for the task

[fierce sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/stryker-mgs-autoloader-105mm-rifled-m68a2-gun-m1128-gif-16209208945847531017

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/9NjkP62IJKU

[fierce sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/leclerc-main-battle-tank-bustle-cassette-autoloader-gif-18017778336959027358

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/450603476645314560/1154472485308346428/centauro_2_autoloader.gif

(me doin ur mum)

[autumn sorrel]

With only 4s?

[ivory ridge]

[wise vessel]

hey man thats a new record

[manic latch]

Me doing Murm

[muted thorn]

Soviet anti-nuke poster from Cold War era

Translated from russian: "Evolution?"

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5CoQ2YC_o

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1805977133967138975

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, the Grumman F6F Hellcat flew for the first time. The F6F would become the most successful Navy fighter of WWII, with Hellcat pilots claiming 5,163 victories and a 19:1 kill-to-loss ratio.

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 2:51 PM

[runic ermine]

That's extremely impressive when you think about it

[bitter sapphire]

they were set up for success with the war situation achieved and winning tactics learned in the F4F

back in mid-late 42, when the stakes were the highest and the enemy was at their strongest, the F4F was what was there to fight and probably deserves just a bit more credit than it gets

[maiden citrus]

f4f has a 5.9:1 kill to loss in 42 and 6.9:1 for the whole war, so it certainly deserves more credit

[bitter sapphire]

imo going even stevens against mike tyson at his prime is way more impressive than scoring 19 wins in a row against Ronny down at the pub

[runic ermine]

Yet tojoboos be like: "muh zero, muh navy"

[maiden citrus]

luckily most of the cultural consiousness has moved on from the f4f somehow being bad

[runic ermine]

Ima be real, Kantai Collection and COD vanguard are two things I watched, sat back and was like "Wtf did they even do research or are they pushing a narrative?"

[bitter sapphire]

by the time the F6F actually showed up to the fight (sept 1943) any hint of experience and skills in the IJN air arm was just completely gone. The kill record esp at phillipines is just sandbagging the dead horse. So yeah I think the F4F's combat record is way cooler.

[runic ermine]

Also a lot of experienced pilots were in China

[junior trench]

The replenisher was

Not the autoloader

The magazine and loader aren't doing anything complicated. It's the replenisher being fixed in the hull while the magazine carousel rotates with the rest of the gun house that causes issues with running said replenisher

[mental tapir]

Don't most of the pilots fighting in China belong to the IJA though?

Also I think we shouldn't overcredit the F4F either; they bore up the brunt of the fighting in the early years but didn't really manage positive kill ratios until the Thach weave and early warning radar and fighter direction came along, iirc

[eternal veldt]

Some ships like the Kaga were very active in the invasion of China

Some people like Tomonaga were freshly deployed to the Pacific after extended service in the Chinese theatre

[maiden citrus]

as stated, 5.9 to 1 kill loss in 42

[junior trench]

People apply the very wide brush of USAAF, RAF, and Dutch AF experience with the Japanese in 1942 to the USN as well

[eternal veldt]

Which is why, political signalling otherwise, quite a few ruffled feathers when DDH-184 was named Kaga

[junior trench]

Which is just

Lol

Lmao

[eternal veldt]

F4F is just

Chonky

Didnt Sakai himself say he saw one really beaten up one still flying

[mental tapir]

Ye

[junior trench]

He emptied all his 7.7 into one

[maiden citrus]

iirc his quote was any zero that had been shot at the same way would have blown up and killed its pilot in a fireball

[eternal veldt]

Well, zero being zero

No self sealing fuel tanks.jpg

[mental tapir]

I had full confidence in my ability to destroy the Grumman and decided to finish off the enemy fighter with only my 7.7 mm machine guns. I turned the 20 mm cannon switch to the 'off' position and closed in. For some strange reason, even after I had poured about five or six hundred rounds of ammunition directly into the Grumman, the airplane did not fall, but kept on flying. I thought this very odd — it had never happened before — and closed the distance between the two airplanes until I could almost reach out and touch the Grumman. To my surprise, the Grumman's rudder and tail were torn to shreds, looking like an old torn piece of rag. With his plane in such condition, no wonder the pilot was unable to continue fighting! A Zero which had taken that many bullets would have been a ball of fire by now.

[eternal veldt]

And then there's the case of a F4F beating a G4M to death with its landing gear

[mental tapir]

To be fair; when the Zero first entered service self-sealing fuel tanks weren't common on other planes either

They just forgor to update them later

[eternal veldt]

I think its not forgor but rather can't

With the light airframe of Zero being the major reason of the plane's decent performance

[mental tapir]

Yeah, was joking
But yeah, they made the Zero too balanced that it was hard to upgrade without giving up its range and maneuverability

[junior trench]

Adding self sealing fuel tanks was possible and they did do it. It just resulted in the Zero becoming unremarkable in range and didn't actually manage to solve the fragility.

[mental tapir]

Did it not solve the fragility?

[junior trench]

And it only was done by the time the IJN was also trying to shove larger caliber machine guns into the airframe

[eternal veldt]

Its just one part, afaik

[junior trench]

Which just meant an overall downturn in performance