history

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ULFLoXvhk

[manic latch]

I LOVE IS SERIES

[steel rapids]

Germany is biggest fear although they already lost the war

[maiden citrus]

My favorites

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/OnDisasters/status/1766610404631801927

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1766537340921475432

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

After getting separated from their air group during a raid on Tokyo in 1945, two Hellcat pilots raced to reach a formation of 50 planes that they spotted in the distance. It was not until they were about to take position in the formation that they realized all the other planes…

Twitter · Mar 9, 2024, 6:51 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1766557238804599211

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1862 during the U.S. Civil War, USS Monitor and CSS Virginia engaged in the first battle between ironclads. The ships fought to a stalemate, but the Battle of Hampton Roads signaled that the age of wooden warships was coming to an end.

Twitter · Mar 9, 2024, 8:10 PM

[autumn sorrel]

Missile are the future

[lime belfry]

Missile meta

[fierce sparrow]

with a bayonet... oh for gods sakes

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/bot709386536358/status/1766388454966088020

ミリフォト (@bot709386536358) on X

🇦🇺トヨタ M1A1

Twitter · Mar 9, 2024, 9:00 AM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1766470415440818570
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1766470417819046300

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1974, Lt. Hiroo Onoda of the Imperial Japanese Army finally surrendered to his former commanding officer. Onoda had held out in the Philippines and continued to fight for 29 years after WWII ended. He returned to Japan a hero but Filipinos wanted him arrested for murder.

Twitter · Mar 9, 2024, 2:25 PM

[glass trail]

pov the next advancement in libyan military tech:

toyota tank

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odS3Kn5oGl0

[fierce sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

Zumwalt... LCS...

[manic latch]

It was me Barry

I designed those ships

[ivory ridge]

[ivory ridge]

It's true i look like that

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmO-NDLEC5A

[humble jewel]

Found out that the registration of my model Blackbird was this quirky mf right here

[humble jewel]

Also coming from a country with a very vague description of "assault weapon"

[steel rapids]

Real

[spring briar]

@maiden citrus

[versed tree]

not washington

not interested

[spring briar]

What

[manic latch]

Yeah not Soyuz

Bad Richy

[frozen kestrel]

Texas is in her final stage of restoration now

[runic ermine]

Meanwhile Japan: Type __

[daring peak]

88?

[winged patrol]

yeah she was even cruising on her own at 7 knots for 2,5 miles

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1766914535116374225

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1983, the era of U.S. seaplanes ended when
@USCG retired the last operational HU-16E Albatross. The last U.S. Navy seaplane was the P5M Marlin which was retired in November 1967. #DYK that the Navy developed a strategic bomber flying boat in the 1950s, the Martin SeaMaster?

Twitter · Mar 10, 2024, 7:50 PM

[frozen kestrel]

Haha, Type 94 go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[daring peak]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise_heavy_assault_tank

[steel rapids]

Friends with the t95 from America

[daring peak]

I know the t-95 it has double tracks yes

[steel rapids]

[shy grail]

Type 94 Pistol, Type 94 SPAA, Type 94 Tankette, Type 94 460 mm naval gun, Type 94 HE bomb, Type 94 75 mm mountain gun, Type 94 Explosive warhead (for torpedoes), etc

[maiden citrus]

[wintry moat]

On her own power or steering?

[narrow rover]

He's joking lol

I think Texas's engine has been... removed at this point

[runic ermine]

They had a lot of Type 94s

[fierce sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

Type... 94s...

[shrewd pecan]

man

they got the T-90M crews still using steering bars

they didn't even give them a steering wheel

[autumn sorrel]

You mean the steering crutch? iirc, those are to control each track. It should take time to train but it will become muscle memory eventually, but yeah, a steering wheel like the Abrams one would be nice.

[runic ermine]

And one was more likely to kill you than the enemy

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan https://www.defensenews.com/land/2024/03/11/us-army-scraps-extended-range-cannon-artillery-prototype-effort/

"early testing of prototypes showed excessive wear on the gun tube after firing a relatively low number of rounds."

[shrewd pecan]

I am beating someone with a hammer

[manic latch]

This is like 3th failed m109 replacement

Crusader, FCS, now this

[rapid junco]

[autumn sorrel]

You'd think that with the current conflict experience, they would rethink about developing new SPG system, maybe not as fanciful as PzH2000 but at least a upgrade package for M109

[manic latch]

This was like

An modified m109 upgrade package

Thing is literally at its peak

Like the late M60s that was milked with RISE upgrade because MBT-70 cancelation

M109 was supposed to be replaced decade ago

[subtle prawn]

There was a M109 with a PzH 2000 gun shown off last year

[autumn sorrel]

With the loading system, I hope?

[grave ravine]

Engines are still there, but the propellers and shafts have been removed and the hull plated over

And of course no part of the engines has moved in like 75 years

[grave ravine]

No, I don't believe so

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe, they should look into the K9, I heard it is on high demand right now

[grave ravine]

It was just a drag and drop replacement of the L38 gun with an L52

Designed to be a cheap upgrade they can rapidly get out to the fleet

[subtle prawn]

Official press releases said nothing about that

[autumn sorrel]

So, it still the old ramming rod? Man, why are US allergic to loading assistance system?

[grave ravine]

If M109 can be fairly easily upgraded to the L52, there isn't really a point in buying a different foreign L52 system

[grave ravine]

Cost mainly, and also some reliability issues when fired continuously for long periods

[autumn sorrel]

"Cost"? US? I never think I would see those 2 words together

[grave ravine]

They probably would adopt an autoloader if a clean sheet design was adopted (for example ERCA had an autoloader, and the Army was apparently perfectly happy with that) but it's not seen as worth it to retrofit it to the existing M109 fleet for cost reasons

[grave ravine]

The US army is actually pretty ruthless about cost management, because you can't operate a park of 1500 SPGs any other way

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Ca49ywmFE

[autumn sorrel]

Probably also the conflict that they found themselves in past 20 yrs. M777 does work better when it can be airlifted and you don't need divisional size battery when you are doing counter insurgency. Thinking about it, the reason for the program lack of interest does make sense.

[grave ravine]

GWOT is certainly why a lot of the past attempts got canned, but not this one

The Army is now quite focused on large scale peer conflict

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5HXus33rA

[manic latch]

Isn't there less Gripen E models than Su-57

Yeah Brazil has 8 Gripen E and Sweden has 3 Gripen E

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1767296879967297790

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1916, the Navy's "super-dreadnought" USS Nevada was commissioned. The Nevada would survive Pearl Harbor and go on to provide support at Normandy, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. After the war, the Nevada was painted orange and used as a target ship for the Bikini atomic tests.

Twitter · Mar 11, 2024, 9:09 PM

[maiden citrus]

[ivory ridge]

one was revealed in 2019 and the other has been a thing for over 2 decades

the pak fa competition ended in 2000 fucking 2

[manic latch]

Nah Gripen introduction was 1996

[ivory ridge]

yeah

gripen

not gripen e

[manic latch]

E is upgrade ye

Usually lost orders because of F-35

Doesn't help cost is similar to F16 Block 70 alternative either

[grave ravine]

The Gripen NG demo first flew in 2008

I have no idea where you are getting 2019 from

By contrast the first T-50 prototype flew in 2010

The PAK-FA program is a few years older than the program that resulted in Gripen E, but it took them longer to get to the point where they had a prototype since it was 2000s Russia and they were building the plane from scratch

[ivory ridge]

read the wrong dates

unlucky

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/unfortunate-cat-happenings-unfortunate-happenings-sad-cat-gif-27003451

[ivory ridge]

but anyway lol lmao trying to get a W by comparing yourself to fucking sweden

thats just sad

[manic latch]

Sweden is a massive low bar lol

It's Sweden

[grave ravine]

The joke is that Gripen production has been so slow that it's as bad as Su-57

Cuz like we already know Sukhoi is shit

[fierce sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-blade-runner-angry-god-damnit-confused-gif-15118091

[fierce sparrow]

💢

[manic latch]

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/navy-delaying-next-gen-f-a-xx-fighter-spending-for-near-term-investments/

[daring peak]

Ahh yes Nevada

[daring peak]

Wyoming was the first uss battleship class

Then New York

[maiden citrus]

there were many before that point, such as the Floridas, Delwares, South Carolinas, Mississippis, Connecticuts, and so on

[daring peak]

But New York came after it though

[eternal veldt]

Superdreadnoughts by definition are battleships with a caliber higher than that of 12"

[daring peak]

Like as the ammunition or the barrel size or length?

[daring peak]

USS Iowa

N-Carolina

[maiden citrus]

Barrel size, Wyoming is the last us dreadnought, New York is the first us super dreadnought, there were many battleships before Wyoming

[manic latch]

Find the Imposter

[ivory ridge]

Clearly nelson cuz it's from way earlier than the others

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

@maiden citrus https://youtu.be/Q3hU1H-JBsY?si=wBvCLSiZbdu-zo1H

[fierce sparrow]

[maiden citrus]

Oh boy

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, it doesn't look half bad

[ivory ridge]

[steel rapids]

Too bad

[frozen kestrel]

I've decided that the first aircraft carrier I'm gonna model is going to be Enterprise (CV-6, to be specific). Any good/ reputable sites I can get reference material from?

[visual rover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Ruyter
HNLMS De Ruyter light cruiser ww2 and HNLMS De Ruyter (F-804) modern frigate

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waW1-UeGawQ

[spring briar]

Pz.III beloved

[steel rapids]

Hm

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: Judging from Enterprise's rigging on her splash art, what time period in the war would her configuration be?

[ivory ridge]

those heli pads hurt to look at

[manic latch]

You look hurt to look at

@tough quail
The M-25 project by the Soviet Union in the 1960s. The idea was of a low altitude infantry killer - via shock wave, by flying supersonic at 90 to 120 feet above the enemy troops. Project was cancelled in 1973.

[runic ermine]

Isn't it interesting how everyone's ww2 rifle was just an improvement over their ww1 rifle other than:
France, the US, China, and Romania

[spring briar]

What

Mas-36 and M1 garand don’t exist ig

[junior trench]

"other than"

[spring briar]

Seriously

[junior trench]

Richie

that's an exclusionary

it means those countries had rifles which don't fit the prior description

[runic ermine]

Thank you. I know we butt heads sometimes but thanks for helping him see what I ment

[spring briar]

Ok if you look at it that way?

[junior trench]

the WW2 K98k is a downgrade from the WW1 K98az though

[spring briar]

You meant that everyone’s WW2 rifle was just the same but improved aside from France, the US, China and Romania then?

[runic ermine]

Yes

[spring briar]

I’m just tired

And have read way too much bs

Mb

[runic ermine]

France:
WW1: Lebel 1886
WW2: MAS-36

Britian:
WW1: SMLE
WW2: Lee Enfield No 1 Mk4

Russian Empire/Soviet Union:

WW1: Mosin Nagant M1891
WW2: Mosin Nagant M1891/30

And so on

[spring briar]

Yea
Just found the way you worded it ambiguous

[runic ermine]

Canada:

WW1: Ross rifle (1914-1916)
SMLE (1916-1918)

WW2: Lee Enfield no1 mk4

[runic ermine]

My bad

[frozen kestrel]

Give me a ping if you guys answer, I gotta go deal with the firepit

[daring peak]

Anti air or artillery

[autumn sorrel]

I love MAS-36, such a beautiful rifle

[tough quail]

mas-36 gang

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1767365293716681153

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, Gen. Douglas MacArthur and members of his family and staff boarded PT-41 at Corregidor to escape Japanese forces. Under the command of LTJG John Bulkeley, PT-41 carried MacArthur for 560 miles over two day to reach Mindanao. MacArthur and his party then flew to…

Twitter · Mar 12, 2024, 1:41 AM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1767733464646787380

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1918, the submarine HMS D3 was sunk by French airship AT-0 in a friendly fire incident. D3 had tried to identify herself to the approaching airship by firing signal rockets that the French mistook as an attack. The French responded with machine gun fire and then dropped…

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 2:04 AM

[glass trail]

ofc it was the french

[spring briar]

Accidents happen

[glass trail]

from the frenchman himself

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSNdpRMid54

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1767970706761879960

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#RIP ADM Philippe de Gaulle who has died at the age of 102. The son of Gen. Charles de Gaulle, he served with the Free French Naval Forces after escaping occupied France. He retired from the French Navy in 1982 and entered politics, serving as a senator from Paris until 2004.

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 5:47 PM

[frozen kestrel]

(Asking again because I don't want to fuck up the model when I make it)

Judging from Enterprise's rigging on her splash art, what time period in the war would her configuration be?

Or what year, if I'm gonna be specific.

[rapid junco]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Ah G-5

One of only warships that was designed by a plane designer

Tupolev

No that was SH-4
But G-5 is fat SH-4 so

[tribal mortar]

Satsuma never add on azur lane ? @manic latch

[manic latch]

N-no

[tribal mortar]

Why not

[steel rapids]

No pls its my least favorite rifle

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RSMzuaK5jE

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768094825671250350

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Originally built for the former Imperial Iranian Navy, Kidd-class destroyers were nicknamed the "Ayatollah class" when they were integrated with the U.S. Navy after their contracts had been canceled due to the 1979 Iranian Revolution. All four ship were decommissioned in the…

Twitter · Mar 14, 2024, 2:00 AM

[ornate wind]

It would be pretty early since her flight deck says EN instead of 6

[near raptor]

Does anyone know if there is a movie or series about the prewar Japanese power struggle between the army and navy?

I feel like that would make a great political drama

[mental tapir]

This video keeps popping up in my feed recently:
https://youtu.be/UxUe5O-100Q?si=bXyJwPY4YC15bkji

Feels like he's kind of reading off Wikipedia and just adding some fluff tbh, and the plane doesn't look that impressive even on paper?

[junior trench]

You would be surprised by how often you can catch even well regarded channels just reading off wiki or slightly rearranging the words

If you pull up the article for it

And read while listening

[cinder escarp]

Ki-100 is while not incredible steel folded 1000 times, is a pretty good plane. And it is incredible with the story behind it.

Bunch of Ki-61 airframes left without engines (not that the engines were any good to begin with...) and they needed planes. So they glued on a Kinsei more or less yanked from the D4Y while doing their best to emulate the FW 190's cowling and accessory layout.

And unlike about a dozen other attempts at rough transplants, this worked very well.

Nose jobs like that rarely work out.

It's also telling that all of the JP planes that had a licensed DB601 ended up getting the same nose job, and proved in hindsight how utterly pointless the extremely expensive but failed and somewhat futile effort to produce the 601 in Japan was. The Kinsei 60 series that replaced the licensed 601s started full production in 1940. They never actually needed the V-12s and would have been much better served using the plants to produce more radials.

[mental tapir]

Inlines really ended up being a mostly Europe thing huh

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768046013095330181

[manic latch]

As Cleve mentioned

Many youtubers does that when you look at wiki page of vehicles they speak about

[manic latch]

P-51 was needed in Europe

After that they slowly appear more in Pasific

There were also things like P-38 and P-39

Tho P-39 was really bad plane for pacific operations

[pure zephyr]

What if the Roman empire never collapsed in Italy?

[remote monolith]

unpredictable just because the butterfly effect

it can easily fell over more violently at a later date, or endured longer but still fell silently

[pure zephyr]

What if Britain had lost the Zulu War ?

[manic latch]

@maiden citrus

[maiden citrus]

lol, cute

[manic latch]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/13/travel/australia-clive-palmer-relaunches-titanic-two-intl-hnk/index.html

"Once again, the question is why?

“It’s a lot more fun to do the Titanic than it is to sit at home and count my money"

[shy grail]

Given what we know about overclaiming it was probably 1 Zero shot down and 1 damaged

[solid mango]

Whar did I do

[autumn sorrel]

They probably will chew Chelmsford alive, he attacked the Zulu without the permission from England and had he not won the war, he will be responsible of the most humiliating defeat against a foe that don't even use firearms.

[eternal veldt]

referring to kal.tsit. Used to be Cleve.

[frozen kestrel]

So like, 1939-1940?

[runic ermine]

I know that there's a movie about the coup to overthrow the emperor
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident

The movie is called Japan's Longest Day

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan's_Longest_Day

On a similar note here's some history shows and movies that I recommend:

Movies:
-The forgotten battle (The battle of the shilt from the perspective of a Dutch SS soldier, a Dutch resistance girl and a British paratrooper)
-How I unleashed WW2 (Comedy about how a Polish soldier believes that he started ww2 and seeks to redeem himself in the eyes of God)
-The 800 (About the Defense of Sihang Warehouse. Note that a lot of events are dramatized)
-Pashendale (About Canada's involvement in ww1 and Pashendale)
-Come and See (A young boy joins the Belarusian partisans and witnesses the horrors of war on the Eastern Front)
-Saving Private Ryan

Shows
-Band of Brothers (I don't think I need to explain this one)
-The long long holiday (The invasion, occupation, and liberation of France from the perspective of french children in the resistance. Its free on Youtube I think)
-Wunderkind Little Amadeus (The only non war show on this list. About the early life of Wolfgang Mozart. Despite being a kids show it has great attention to historical detail. Episodes 1-13 are free on Youtube)

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768356737336410541

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768304202718011531

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Remembering the "four-piper" Clemson-class destroyer USS Yarborough (DD-314) on Pi Day.
#PiDay #314Day.

Twitter · Mar 14, 2024, 3:52 PM

[shrewd pecan]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1768373750389485580

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768440436392067242

[shy grail]

How badly did you butcher the name of the Battle of the Scheldt lmao

[tight bridge]

Found a 2002 book on the history of the submarine service and it had an interesting hypothetical design for the Virginia-class

ngl a US sub with a composite sail would be interesting (and a bit jarring) to see

[manic latch]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/03/the-netherlands-select-naval-group-for-its-new-submarines/

🇳🇱

[signal wave]

It looks squishable

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/YPiDQTHq8Gg?si=uOtDQoMXMp-ckv4s

[steel rapids]

Hm kinda meh

[ivory ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1768656798511161794?t=eEhTPhAC6zasFxUpRtgVNw&s=19

[runic ermine]

The Hungarian crack may be second to the german's

[solid mango]

Ngl i need me sum of that

[minor canyon]

weird placement for a rocket

[humble jewel]

thicc

[humble jewel]

Tiny ass gun and wtf is that

[runic ermine]

An Anti tank rocket

[humble jewel]

Why at the back though

[runic ermine]

Idk

[humble jewel]

It feels like pointing a gun at yourself

plus that gun is so damn tiny

[minor canyon]

to me it looks like it can be fused from the inside

that 1mm puncher it has idk what on earth it could do auto canon idk

mg port idk?

[humble jewel]

[minor canyon]

all i found it was part of the Toldi family and was a prototype (1 built? unknownish lack of info) and was classed as a self-propeleed anti tank rocket vehicle

@humble jewel also that 1mm puncher has a 20 mm anti tank rifle in it

[humble jewel]

Ouch

It's a grower not a shower ig

[minor canyon]

LOL

its not how big it is...its how i use it!

what an odd tank if it was ever used

[humble jewel]

[humble jewel]

Up there with the Bob Semple tank

[minor canyon]

nah

nothing is near as goofy as the true god of tanks bob semple

[humble jewel]

[minor canyon]

[ivory ridge]

tank nerds on their way trying to be funny and the entire joke is "bob semple"

(it's not funny)

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZ4eFXFMbI

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-semple-tank-gif-27695661

[humble jewel]

counterpoint:

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-cat-paranoia-hello-street-cat-cat-eating-gif-12431421677323781872

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hay-george-c-scott-what-are-you-sure-gif-14154525

[runic ermine]

I got a tank joke

Japanese Tanks

[steel rapids]

Bro how could you launch rockets from that direction

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1768763830367138268

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, the Balao-class submarine USS Lancetfish (SS-296) flooded and sank at the Boston Navy Yard after a worker opened a torpedo tube. The sub had the shortest service history among all U.S. Navy vessels, lasting just 41 days between commissioning and decommissioning.

Twitter · Mar 15, 2024, 10:18 PM

https://news.usni.org/2024/03/15/aircraft-carrier-enterprise-delivery-delayed-by-18-months-says-navy

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTz8C7oevo

[manic latch]

https://vxtwitter.com/Tank_Archives/status/1768783989722996964?t=JzYAMwnLEe8emeO4Q86aXg&s=19

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/notsonarwhals/status/1768818300400648404

[desert agate]

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/news/hmas-choules-fitted-with-ceafar-radar

AWD LHD

[manic latch]

@tough quail Most gigachad statement

https://vxtwitter.com/Tank_Archives/status/1768636273709683108?t=_zqn63DV5_-tXU7WtSstQw&s=19

[shy grail]

Until Pak 43 yeah

[manic latch]

Only IS-3 really answers to that anyway

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1769054221486194887

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In the darkness of an Iwo Jima night, an exhausted Marine crawled into a foxhole and fell asleep. When he awoke the next morning, he was shocked to discover that he had been sharing the foxhole with an equally shocked Japanese soldier who ran off. When asked why he didn’t attack…

Twitter · Mar 16, 2024, 5:32 PM

[steel rapids]

Damn

[near raptor]

What was the plan if Center force had taken Leyte? The American fast carriers were literally right there after destroying Southern force. Wouldn’t Center Force have been immediately set upon by hundreds of bombers?

They would’ve delayed the capture of Leyte for maybe a day at most, but their Battleships would’ve been forced to remain near Leyte to prevent it from being recaptured making them easy pickings for the carriers.

Also, couldn’t northern force had launched a single cruiser based seaplane up the Surigao strait and spotted the enormous wall of Battleships before they entered their range?

I can’t imagine a world where Japan isn’t defeated at Leyte baring a total miracle at the Battle of Cape Engano.

And of course Engano was completely unwinnable, the Japanese knew it.

[shy grail]

Halsey chased Ozawa too far to give meaningful support to Leyte Gulf

[shy grail]

The plan was to destroy the transports so they didn't have to stay around, problem is they were a few days late. In any case the USA carriers aren't in range in the day time, and can only strike some time in the night using their specially trained air crew on Enterprise and Independence

[shy grail]

Defeat wasn't necessary, Halsey's fleet just needed to be baited away from the Phillipines. Ozawa already generally what Halsey was going to do, he planned to turn around earlier the previous day so that Halsey's fleet would have had no way of launching an airstrike on him, but Japanese command overruled him

[shy grail]

Well, it'll have to get past the wall of flak the fleet would have put up in order to do meaning spotting, it isn't that simple

[near raptor]

Thank you very much for the detailed answers! I appreciate your time and knowledge

[grave ravine]

That's not entirely true, TG 38.1 could and did hit Center Force soon after the historic battle off Samar ended, and if the battle drags on longer they may be able to do more

[grave ravine]

Nishimura sent up cruiser floatplanes, but Olendorf's battleships only amassed at exit of Surigao the night the battle happened, so Nishimura only destroyers and PT boats moving in, which he thought he could force through

He would turn out to be wrong about that

Nishimura did figure he might encounter battleships, but at the time it didn't seem likely until he was already through Surigao and in Leyte Gulf

He didn't really expect his command to escape the battle intact, though of course he didn't expect the catastrophic losses and total lack of success that actually happened

[shy grail]

Additionally Leyte gulf itself is a fair bit furthur south from San Bernardino Strait, so by the time he gets there it's night time

IIRC it's TG 38.2 that turned around

Ah my bad TG 38.1 was in a position to the far east of the Phillipines

[shy grail]

Well TG 38.1 isn't with Halsey in the first place, but maybe? They launch 2 strikes apparently, but didn't do much damage

Not sure they had the time for reloading though

[glass trail]

is that aardvark

[eternal veldt]

horse, explain

GAZ-64 with a 37mm AT gun

[steel rapids]

Soviet engineering

[fierce sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

[autumn sorrel]

Transport, maybe. Don't have to tow the AT gun, instead transport it to location and assemble it there

[eternal veldt]

It's intended for paratroopers for what I heard.

[autumn sorrel]

Make sense, look compact enough to fit into a Glider.

Ah, it is 37-mm airborne gun M1944

I was sure I saw that somewhere

[maiden jay]

NC my beloved

Beeg

[spring briar]

Shell

But fake

😭

[glass trail]

riche turned off

look what you did @maiden jay

smh

[maiden jay]

Id be surprised if they put a real, live shell in a museum

That’s probably a hazard tbh

[spring briar]

I hope you aren’t being serious

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1769432599787692493

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Happy St. Patrick's Day! This is an S-3B Viking assigned to the “Shamrocks” of Sea Control Squadron Four One (VS-41) preparing for launch aboard USS Nimitz (CVN 68) in 2006.
#StPatricksDay

Twitter · Mar 17, 2024, 6:36 PM

[steel rapids]

Gosh if someone accidentally let if fall on the ground 💀

[maiden jay]

I think I am, but I'm probably wrong

I've never handled any ammunition before, least of all naval shells

[spring briar]

There are shells in musea

They just remove the explosives lol

[manic latch]

Explosives are kill

No

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

plenty of shells one can see on nc down in the turret even

[tough quail]

i love you, ye olden bmd

[wintry moat]

Is that how it was fired?

or did it have an aerodynamic cap.

[spring briar]

That was how it was fired

[wintry moat]

Neat

What caliber is it?

[spring briar]

6 inch

[wintry moat]

Cool

[hushed saffron]

River Shermy

[humble jewel]

USS Independence after operation crossroads

[signal wave]

Bro dont look so good

[humble jewel]

Nuke was too much for her

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1769357795210502508

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1954, an AD Skyraider from VA-55 became engulfed in flames after a mishap on the deck of USS Essex (CVA-9). The pilot escaped but left the engine running. An aviation electronics technician airman climbed into the cockpit of the burning plane and shut it down.

Twitter · Mar 17, 2024, 1:39 PM

[somber knoll]

[mental tapir]

Nooo not the Skyraider

[slow radish]

repost from general

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133845375556538371/1204831249773105192/copy_EFDE03F1-1E2C-4860-9430-297CC7A3E63F.gif

[subtle prawn]

They say it like Japan wouldn't try to do the same if the situation was reversed

[shy grail]

Even if the US (and UK who were nearby) didn't use their carriers, Yamato is still screwed to the horde of light ships and BBs they can bring to bear

Not to mention, just shell Yamato from like 20 km out at night

[subtle prawn]

And how convenient of them to leave out the fact that the Americans also had a surface group prepared if the carrier strikes failed

[strong sable]

I am really shocked when I saw the amount of Essex level carriers

In local forum, we have a slang for the numerous launching of Aircraft for US

"put dumplings"

[eternal veldt]

"cheat"

Average tojoboo take

[runic ermine]

Lmfao

[maiden citrus]

considering they've said in interviews post war they would have 100% nuked random US cities with no military presence if they had had it instead, yeah lol

but also, yeahhhh no she wouldn't be, even with no carriers and immediately after PH wargames were that the main battle line advantage was still in the US favor

[shy grail]

Wait the post PH war games?

Did they compare the 6/7 Japanese BB to the remaining US battleline strength or something?

[maiden citrus]

yes, yamato is included but with 16'' guns and 45k tons since at this time her stats were relatively unknown

even with them vastly overestimating japanese deck armor vs their own

[shy grail]

Ah

[shy grail]

Not really, just at the machinery spaces

[maiden citrus]

'drops off at ranges greater than 20,000 yards mainly because of japanese battleships better deck protection'

meanwhile at suraigo

[shy grail]

The Japanese modernization of their BBs are hilariously complicated

[maiden citrus]

I recall reading somewhere else the 'estimated' deck armor of japanese bbs for these calcs and nah they're actually pretty funny

found it

ah yes the 6 inch deck armor of

checks notes

kongo

[shy grail]

Nagato has got 10 in of deck armour in the magazines lmao

[shy grail]

Ah lmao

Tbf if you included Kongo's total thickness of deck plates it does add up to a bit more than 6 in

It's just that it is split between 3 decks

So actual armour is like 50 mm + 20 mm + 80 mm of Japanese deck, which doesn't stop as much armour as a pure 6 in deck IIRC

[maiden citrus]

yeah these are based on main armor deck

[shy grail]

Ah slightly miscalculated lmao

By like double

[maiden citrus]

since the us ones are rounded to the nearest hundreth of an inch for actual armor deck value, like the colorado class having a 3.42'' effective armor deck

who knew kongo had almost double the armor deck of colorado

this makes funny things happen in the other charts

like how colorado has a noticeably smaller immune zone than nagato despite;
-stronger guns
-more belt armor
-relatively close deck armor effectiveness

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

nagato's immune zone to colorado guns is 19k to 30k

hmmmmmmm

[spring briar]

Shells

[spring briar]

Mfw using Colorado with obsolete Mk.3 shells

[shy grail]

Looking at the post modernization plans, IRL Kongo has 6 in + 20 + 40 mm over the magazine and about 80 mm + 20 mm + 40 m deck armour

[shy grail]

Yeah a bit off for actual IZ given Nagato's weak machinery spaces

[maiden citrus]

yamashiro immune zone is 21-31k to california, apparently

[shy grail]

The hilarious difference between the magazine armour and the machinery armour though makes total IZ comparison rather hard though I would say

[maiden citrus]

I mean point being it's in general way overestimated for each ship as a solid 6'' slab of main deck armor (a few of the ships have less but not many) and wargame calcs still show japan losing

[shy grail]

True

[eternal veldt]

No armour values, but oh well.

[maiden citrus]

they hilariously get ise's deck almost correct

[shy grail]

23 kt Ise and Nagato and 26 kt Kongos, they were going to be in for a bit of a surprise

[maiden citrus]

3.75'' vs 3.8'', only one with a relatively sane range

[spring briar]

Here’s the modernized protection scheme fyi

[desert agate]

no Fuso?

[spring briar]

Just a patchwork

Undesirable af

MN and USN armor strat is just
Keep it thick
Keep it simple

[maiden citrus]

mmmmm I like em thicc

[spring briar]

Works 100% of the time

[desert agate]

the IJN truly inherited the worst habits of the British

[shy grail]

Aka what at I looking at

[spring briar]

All them uptake protection plates

[shy grail]

Except the AA FCS, even they went to develop their own tachymertric system, which was rated to be not bad by the US

[desert agate]

AA development was well past the time of Anglo-Japanese technical cooperation

[maiden citrus]

japanese aa is underestimated in quality in general yes (and british aa overestimated)

[desert agate]

by the time the Anglo-Japanese alliance came to an end the most advanced AA FCS was a guy with a stick pointing at planes

[shy grail]

True, they picked up the exaggerated oxygen torpedo

[maiden citrus]

THERE

YOU SEE THAT GUY

SHOOT

[eternal veldt]

This was dated December 1944

Guess what happened two months ago

[spring briar]

Space battleship Alsace

[desert agate]

sad!

[maiden citrus]

based

[desert agate]

they should have a space cruiser Sydney

I wanna see my Leanders in space

[shy grail]

The British made up for that by dodging everything though

[spring briar]

Reminder that French 138.6mm SAP can engage Kongo from the side at Guadalcanal knife fighting ranges

[desert agate]

destroying the krauts a million miles from Earth

[desert agate]

they didnt dodge so good 😔

[eternal veldt]

Repulse did gud until getting anviled

[spring briar]

Le Fantasque vs Kongo at 10km

[eternal veldt]

Or, as they like to say

[shy grail]

Unfortunately luck got them that time (I mean horrifically shit luck) and equipment breakdowns

[eternal veldt]

"bamboozled"

[maiden citrus]

if repulse was short and stout with good armor she could have shown her true dodging potential

[eternal veldt]

One pair performed a feint of attacking PoW, then turned in at the last minute and Repulse shat her pants

[shy grail]

The japanese lost a lot of planes trying to pull off that manoeuvre though

[desert agate]

imo the loss of PoW and Repulse was more down to incompetence and a general failure to understand the strategic objectives of the Eastern Fleet

[shy grail]

Yeah, should have just stuck at Ceylon

[maiden citrus]

what is a fighter for 500

[shy grail]

Technically even after the anvil Repulse didn't lose much speed, just that the Japanese plane kept going suicidal close (for their planes)

[desert agate]

I reiterate in this channel for the thousandth time that there was an RAAF squadron of F2As specifically assigned to protect PoW and Repulse, which could have arrived in time above the battleships if they had been called for when the Japanese were first detected, and that even the obsolete F2A would have done critical damage to the unescorted bombers

[eternal veldt]

Not quite, Repulse had her rudder jammed

Then another anvil just sent her to the bottom - 3 on one side, another torpedo on another

[maiden citrus]

yup they had fighters on call but never called them, hence what is a fighter for 500

[shy grail]

Indeed, the disruption of their attacks would have made the first attack on POW practically impossible

[eternal veldt]

It should also be acknowledged that Phillips most likely had a miscommunication

[maiden citrus]

that one bofors on the back attempting to create a timeline split in pure efforts

[eternal veldt]

"no air support would be available" was the reply he got

The answer was supposed to be "no air support would be available ( in your expected AO)"

Therefore, it is possible that Phillips misinterpreted that

Now add a lucky torpedo hit and there goes your newest ship

One, I may add, was probably exacerbated as a result of her damage during her fitting out

[spring briar]

Maka
Silver
Spon

Smol 5”/38 common

[desert agate]

Phillips may have been justified in caution regarding the reliability of his air cover but the squadron was assigned regardless and well within range

[shy grail]

Took 3 successive to sink Repulse yeah

[eternal veldt]

Regardless, the radio messages dont make much sense afterwards

[shy grail]

Need to be shot from a smol 5in/38

[desert agate]

the CO of 453SQN even offered to maintain a constant CAP of 6 planes over Repulse and PoW during daylight hours, and a RNZAF squadron also made a similar offer

[eternal veldt]

"POW torpedoed, pls send a DD thanks"

"POW in critical state, send tugs pls"

You need fighters, not a fucking DD

[maiden citrus]

the smallest 5''

[eternal veldt]

You made it?

[shy grail]

Very unfortunate indeed

[eternal veldt]

Also, fortune just isnt on the British side

The group couldnt find the two capital ships originally

....until they spotted the Walrus that PoW/Repulse launched earlier that day

[desert agate]

Phillips made a number of critical mistakes and this resulted in the irrecoverable loss of arguably the 2 most valuable assets in the Western Pacific

has PoW and Repulse survived the Japanese invasion of Malaya would have been a much more tenuous prospect, and even had it succeeded, there would have been a constant threat to the Japanese flank that would have prevented the large redeployment of Japanese forces into the Southern Pacific and Guadalcanal

[eternal veldt]

Smh, Repulse should have been better disguised

I don't know, write "I AM HARUNA" in big capital letters all over her

[desert agate]

that would work with me

[maiden citrus]

lol I was about to make that joke

[desert agate]

i would never

[maiden citrus]

that she could pretend to be a kongo

[eternal veldt]

The attackers did hesitate

They thought they were engaging Kongou, sweaty palms all over

Until they flew over her

[maiden citrus]

'where is your fourth turret haruna?'

'half cv conversion experiment'

[shy grail]

They finally saw it had only 3 turrets lmao

[desert agate]

they did the Furious refit over X turret

[eternal veldt]

Technically Hiei also had 3 turrets only at one point, so...

And not like its difficult to mock up a 4th turret

See: Spee

[desert agate]

the entire Singapore strategy was an exercise in stupidity in any case

[eternal veldt]

Fwiw, Repulse is trying to mimick an R class

PoW trying to disguise as Repulse

[maiden citrus]

'actually this is mutsu, wait you won't get that joke yet'

[desert agate]

one dreamed up to placate the nervous colonial governors of Malaya and Burma without actually accounting for strategic reality

[shy grail]

Mainly due to lack of funds yeah

[eternal veldt]

The big often what if is "all this would change if Hermes/Indomitable was with them"

[shy grail]

Also this scenario being beyond Britain's worse nightmares

[shy grail]

Indomitable can't be there actually

[eternal veldt]

No, because her fat arse grounded herself in the Carribean

And Hermes is slow

[shy grail]

Hermes is carrying solely Swordfish, so unless you flew in an entire new airgroup you couldn't get fighters on Hermes

[desert agate]

even with the funds available, better plans could have existed

[spring briar]

Ye

Y

[shy grail]

Even if she hadn't grounded she wouldn't have made it in time

[eternal veldt]

The wild answer is to put the F2As on Hermes

[spring briar]

I need to paint it

[maiden citrus]

anytime buffalos get to do work I am happy

[spring briar]

Silver
Best way to paint inox?

[shy grail]

Lmao

[eternal veldt]

Typically I put primer then paint

Just spray it with the primer

[shy grail]

Were those Buffulos carrier capable?

[maiden citrus]

mama loves all her fat little scrunkly planes

[shy grail]

Not all are IIRC

[desert agate]

the Australian government throughout the interwar years expressed its concern with the Singapore strategy but after assurances from the British that sufficient resources would be available and that Britain would make sacrifices to ensure Australian security even in a European conflict decided to place their faith in the plan

[eternal veldt]

So long it can make it off the carrier, its fine

[spring briar]

Handmade using the plans

[eternal veldt]

Dont even need to land, just fly back to the base like the Italians

[desert agate]

ill have a look at the planes gimme a min

[eternal veldt]

Good stuff. I 3D-printed an O-class earlier. Still fixing the parts.

[shy grail]

Tbf Britain probably would have helped more if they were fighting only Germany/fighting Germany and Italy with France on their side

[desert agate]

i dont see any indication that 453SQNs Buffalos had tail hooks

[shy grail]

The disasters of November-December 1941 + no France meant that Britain was kinda screwed in available reinforcements

[maiden citrus]

iirc the buffalo has a pretty small takeoff length so it should be fine

[eternal veldt]

Britain is fighting on three fronts

[shy grail]

A hurricane would be better for one way trips

[eternal veldt]

The navy is overstretched, not much they could do

The blunders at Singapore made sure things fall a a much faster rate

[spring briar]

Can you print .stl?

[eternal veldt]

I send it to someone to print it for me

[spring briar]

Ah

Same

[desert agate]

Britains fight on 3 fronts is even more reason to abandon the Singapore strategy before it could become a disaster, war-clouds were on the horizon and it was clear the assets did not exist to hold Japan off, Britain even encouraged Australia to send the 8th division in spite of the fact that it was obvious that Singapore would not hold

[eternal veldt]

No space for a 3D ptinter

[spring briar]

I make the file and they print it

But my shells are all hand made

This one is next

[maiden citrus]

finest homemade shells

[eternal veldt]

Mfw the Brits try to reinforce Hong Kong

[desert agate]

interestingly the Buffalos operated by the 453SQN never recieved RAAF serial numbers and retained RAF serial numbers

[eternal veldt]

Corruption and abandonment.png

"Yea sorry guv, wait three months hahaha"

[spring briar]

Highest quality and only I sell to the allies

[desert agate]

the other Buffalos used by the RAAF had new serial numbers but not the 453SQNs

[eternal veldt]

But yes, Force Z, a series of great misfortune and incompetence

[desert agate]

we also gave all the survivours back to the USAAF in 1943 which is funny

[maiden citrus]

my children return

[desert agate]

the RAAF had plenty of available airframes though, not like we needed them

oh maka they never made it back to the US

we gave them back to the USAAF but they were all scrapped in Queensland

[maiden citrus]

no they weren't, they are alive and well, round and well fed

[desert agate]

certainly round

[maiden citrus]

[desert agate]

the Japanese also captured one in Malaya

W8163

i wonder if theres any photos of it in Japanese colours

ooh apparently so

[spring briar]

Omg so chubby

[desert agate]

now I want to know what happened to that airframe

I presume the Japanese scrapped it but it I find the idea of the BCOF finding the old Buffalo abandoned at an airfield before a local RAAFie recognised it as formerly Australian

[shy grail]

Should have made fighting reatreat + evacuation whilst assembling a fleet to evacuate Singapore troops yeah instead of whatever they did OTL too, same with ABDA command too

[desert agate]

I also wonder why they painted Dutch flags on the still Australian plane

maybe they had the same issue as other RAAF squadrons as AA gunners confusing the RAF roundel for Japanese

[maiden citrus]

hot dog shaped plane

[desert agate]

he got that dog in him

[maiden citrus]

bumblebee aerodynamics, fly through pure skill

[desert agate]

doesnt look like any of 21SQN or 453SQNs buffalos left Malaya/DEI

[spring briar]

Every time a bumblebee flaps its wings he says “tatakae”

[desert agate]

its nice having a publicly accessible database that just has all the planes Australia has ever flown and a timeline of their existence

[maiden citrus]

that is pretty based

[shy grail]

RIP

[desert agate]

i didnt even realise the RAAF flew P-38s

or Airacobras for that matter

[maiden citrus]

even more based

[desert agate]

none of the Airacobras saw action

[maiden citrus]

awe

[desert agate]

and only one of the P-38s was used for recon missions, the remainder were deemed unserviceable and scrapped for parts or returned to the USAAF after a handful of flights

there was apparently a RAAF P-400 though

the Airacobras also only saw a handful of training flights before being removed from service without much in the way of an operational record

[maiden citrus]

ripperino

[spring briar]

Russian 305’s (imperial era)

[runic ermine]

Neat

Also does anybody think that the IJN is overrated?

[maiden citrus]

it's context specific

[runic ermine]

I feel like they had a lot of issues

Like the rivaly with the Army, losing 4 carriers in one battle, Taihou herself had a lot of issues

[eternal veldt]

Like Maka said, it's context specific

Savo Island demonstrated Allied incomptence and Japanese expertise in Night Fighting, even if the squadron is assembled haphazardly

The Kido Butai prior to its destruction remained one of the world's most capable naval forces, with heavy casualties to British naval forces

[runic ermine]

True

They were mainly successful against the Chinese, Dutch and British (at times)

[shy grail]

Well, I'd say Kido Butai did far damage to the US than it did to the British

Given Pearl harbour and all

[runic ermine]

However pearl harbor was a recoverable defeat

[shy grail]

Well talking about the damage of course

I'd say sinking 2 BBs, seriously damaging or crippling 3 BBs, a damaged carrier, a sea tender and some destroyers as well far outweighs the 2 cruisers and a small carrier, and lighter craft that the IJN inflicted on the British

[runic ermine]

Yes it does

[chilly osprey]

I think this is one of those things that is going to depend on things like "by who?" And "when?"

Because it has been both heavily under and overrated at different points in time from before WWII to today.

I think there are plenty of people who over-rate it today, but there are plenty of more balanced takes out there, especially in the professional field. And there are some people who go to far in the other direction and are too dismissive of it.

[eternal veldt]

I intentionally left out Pearl Harbour since it was arguably against a navy that was not at war at the time of the attack, and caught reasonably off guard

The Japanese attack is also not the best, with multiple planes going for the same targets (or misidentifying and going for secondary targets instead, such as Helena, Raleigh, and Utah)

[shy grail]

Even if you leave out Pearl Harbour the Kido Butai, the Japanese carriers that made up it still damaged more ships and naval force against the US than the British

[shy grail]

Tbf that's to be expected of any navy, I don't think any navy didn't engage in significant overkill of their targets

[runic ermine]

Also not attacking the submarine base or fuel storage

[shy grail]

That's mainly due to the Japanese force not having enough firepower to do so in 2 waves whilst having to damage a signifacnt portion of the US fleet as well

[eternal veldt]

That is more on the planning level, and I'm not going to blame the Kido Butai on it

I'm more focusing on the execution part

[spring briar]

A lot can be said about the shipbuilding

[manic latch]

I hate their heavy cruisers

Too much armor sacrifice

[alpine onyx]

Eh, they have armor, just with different focus

Their magazines were usually very well protected, with an adequately protected machinery

[manic latch]

https://vxtwitter.com/Tank_Archives/status/1769582491080233056?t=r6MhRbfAHbBhySnpw0tnYA&s=19

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwwOA6YYoeE

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyVM0aQfMI

[manic latch]

Khrushchev: My kind of City

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1769823007042568435

[steel rapids]

It gets one shot by crusaders

[junior trench]

Why did you even bring up the RN

Like it was utterly irrelevant to the discussion and kind of "no shit, the navy which got totally chased out the Pacific encountered the Kido Butai less", not to mention the Kido Butai was aimed at the force the IJN considered the primary threat

This would be like hyping the guy who only got pepper sprayed and ran off before only coming back at the last moment as better than the guy who was in the full bloody brawl because pepper spray guy didn't get hurt as much

[shy grail]

Because the guy that I replied to mentioned it, you can scroll back yk

[junior trench]

I did

You brought up the comparison unprompted

[shy grail]

Did you not read this message?

And then for whatever reason USN not mentioned, so I brought it up

[junior trench]

Proving the point

[shy grail]

And then this message

So I brought in the USN

[junior trench]

Proving the point

[shy grail]

Q: so why did I bring up the RN?
A: Because it was mentioned

[shy grail]

Pre-Midway the Kido Butai have attacked/attempted to attack similar amount of British and American and substantial number of Dutch naval assets, I didn't bring in the rest of the war

[manic latch]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmmvVMrHBqY

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ArmouredCarrier/status/1769649550346932495

ArmouredCarriers (@ArmouredCarrier) on X

Sigh. And the concept of a mutant nuclear Nazi submarine being hunted by a US Catalina during the Battle of the Atlantic got 23 thousand views in just 10 hours...

Twitter · Mar 18, 2024, 8:58 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1769881342953521167

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1915, HMS Dreadnought became the only battleship to sink a submarine whe she rammed SM U-29 near the Pentland Firth. Though Dreadnought's design is credited with revolutionizing sea power, the sinking of SM U-29 was the only significant action of the battleship's career.

Twitter · Mar 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

[gloomy current]

they might have been pieces of shit, but i love how the yak looks

[manic latch]

I don't like it's short wings

141 would be better

[thorny patio]

"By 15 June, the troops had advanced to the edge of Texas's gun range; her last fire support mission was so far inland that to get the needed range, the starboard torpedo blister was flooded with water to provide a list of two degrees which gave the guns enough elevation to complete the fire mission."

Regarding the USN Battleship Texas during operations in Normandy....

WHY ISN'T THIS SHIP ALREADY IN AL

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(BB-35)

[shy grail]

Probably because all the US BBs in AL are either the Standard class BBs that were at Pearl harbour or the 16 in guns ships, none before that

[eternal veldt]

Nevada: Literally a ship that is too stubborn to die

Manjuu: smells like a common to me

[shy grail]

Z20: best pre-war destroyer Germany produced (in terms of sea worthiness), survived the whole war
Manjuu: hmm, common

[solid mango]

Golden Hind: litterally wooden bomte
Manjuu: hm yes SR

[spring briar]

What are you even trying to argue for

Who tf cares about sea worthiness in a gacha

[maiden citrus]

this game has included entirely made up fan magazine designs before the new mexicos, we know the answer

[eternal veldt]

Eh, Golden Hind's alright, considering that they're doing wooden ships

[spring briar]

Milan should be SSR for still looking like a DD after getting hit by Massa and a bunch of 8” cruisers

Trust

[maiden citrus]

going by Al own logic texas would have to be ssr too

[eternal veldt]

People won't shut up if Texas is SR

no offence, butthurt freeaboos are... a sight to behold

[signal wave]

Texas shall be the American yamato of AL

She'll never exist

[spring briar]

Arkansas soon

Trust

[shy grail]

Nothing

[maiden citrus]

I would celebrate arkansas

[shy grail]

Mississippi BB

Then the retrofit with Terrier and 6 in Worcester gun

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

RAN never

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Scharn and Bismarck

[alpine onyx]

Dat 105mm flat deck extension

[ivory ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/Doha104p3/status/1770092949059027434?t=43-d_uJ9QPNbPzUXAK7nng&s=19

[ivory ridge]

What about it

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/7x1jyDHxqO4?si=91sczOhC9UPmUzem

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1770115583175983571

[manic latch]

North Korean KN-25 600mm guided SRBM/"MLRS"

[tribal mortar]

nois

[shy grail]

Did the Polish do what the Czechslovakia legion did as well?
Or is that supposed to be the Czechslovakia?

[runic ermine]

I think it's the Czechs cuz poland isn't landlocked

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM8phkYffPI

[tribal mortar]

https://youtu.be/2FaIc4qRdLI?si=jk3nX0L3-jvQjWtg

[strong plank]

Uni library has some records from NN

[strong plank]

While I’m here, @spiral cedar are there any good sources you’d recommend for info on USN warship design/requirements in the 1930s? Thinking specifically about cruisers and BBs

I’m writing my capstone paper on how the USN prepared for a pacific war in the 30s, and while I’ve been having decent success with finding books and articles, the lion’s share of the navy archives isn’t digitized, and the Naval War College archives is under renovation and isn’t accepting visitors

[subtle prawn]

Surely, you can just get Norman Friedman's books for that, no?

[strong plank]

I’ll give them a look

I’ve got a copy of Warships after Washington that I’ve yet to dig into

[subtle prawn]

Actually, do you have Warships after London?

[strong plank]

no but I could try and order it

[subtle prawn]

Because that book should cover developments in the five major navies from 1930-1936

[manic latch]

Sailors of the Destroyer Leader of the Black Sea Fleet "Tashkent" load artillery pieces for the besieged Sevastopol in the port of Novorossiysk, 1942.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1770575753035350355

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, USS Devilfish became the only sub to be struck by a kamikaze. Devilfish sighted the approaching plane and attempted to dive but the kamikaze hit the periscope shears, destroying the radar masts and causing serious leakage. The sub managed to return to Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Mar 20, 2024, 10:18 PM

[runic ermine]

Imagine defending Hokkaido with this

Or this

Or this

Or this

[steel rapids]

The Americans: 💀

[runic ermine]

No the Americans and Commonweath were invading Honshu. The Soviets were the ones planning to invade Hokkaido

[steel rapids]

Oh wait wrong location

I was thinking about operation downfall in Tokyo

Bruh

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1770623873064599591

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1922, USS Langley (CV-1) was commissioned as the Navy's first aircraft carrier. Critics claimed that the carrier was obsolete because it was too costly and vulnerable. A century later, the same is being said about USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78). https://t.co/66LQhXezDX

Twitter · Mar 21, 2024, 1:30 AM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1770630321547137081

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

While in Dakar, USS San Pablo received a phone call from someone speaking French. The crew grabbed a French officer who spoke to the caller but did not know English. The crew then found a bilingual sailor who spoke to the French officer. It was a wrong number. #FrenchLanguageDay

Twitter · Mar 21, 2024, 1:55 AM

[signal wave]

I think i can talk about this here since its history stuff but

What the fu-

[runic ermine]

Didn't Tripiz have those

[frozen kestrel]

Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as well

[signal wave]

Based on what i understood from the video, their battleships designed to do something similar to what destroyers do

Run at the battle line, drop torpedoes, get the fuck out

[manic latch]

No

Her torpedos were above water

[manic latch]

Russia had such designs as well. This one with 84 450mm torpedos

[runic ermine]

Sergei Vinogradov

[signal wave]

jesus, thats alot of torpedos

[tribal mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/live/TGYPZKYpVB4?si=VLogjknhvJEIJaOu

[grave ravine]

The more you look at this design the worse it gets

[signal wave]

Oh god Cruiser Submarine

[grave ravine]

It gets worse, it's got actual honest to god belt armor

[signal wave]

...

[grave ravine]

Also note the vertical aircraft hangar tubes

[signal wave]

....

[grave ravine]

The belt armor is even thicker than the early 8" treaty cruisers

It's like 3x the displacement of the largest submarine the USN had built up to that point

There is another plan that cuts down the main armament to only 4 8" guns but adds a fucking TDS on the submarine

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/notsonarwhals/status/1770792256200495256

[frozen kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxxgESQCyBs

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question for anyone familiar with Japanese medium tanks: How many rifling grooves does the gun on the Chi-Ha Kai have?

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1770843281984827884

[cinder escarp]

The classic "the gryo's upside down innit?" failure

beguiling rockets & missiles since the 50s

[steel rapids]

Whats a rifling grooves

[frozen kestrel]

The things in the barrel that make the shell spin

[steel rapids]

Oh the thing that make bullet spin when shoot

[frozen kestrel]

ye

[strong plank]

Ah

Now we’re getting somewhere

[frozen kestrel]

Theoretically speaking, could a twin gun version of this be built and function efficiently?

[manic latch]

Ask Soviets
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-130

[frozen kestrel]

So basically yes. Aight, Imma cook

[tribal mortar]

https://youtu.be/NwySAcjFjm0?si=oTw7kbeQCAiybmG7

[unborn pewter]

pookie

[strong mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYCz3x9uLeo

[frozen kestrel]

Just found a photo of Hood passing through the panama canal on July 23rd, 1924

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771332206679494956

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

During the Vietnam War, it was not uncommon for U.S. Navy SEALs to wear blue jeans in combat. In the jungle environment, the SEALs found that Levi's jeans were more comfortable and durable than their issued fatigue pants. Plus it made a fierce fashion statement.
#FunFactFriday

Twitter · Mar 23, 2024, 12:24 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771235764115751065
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771235769467720130

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's National West Virginia Day! Here is USS West Virginia in NY in 1934. The "WeeVee" was sunk on December 7, 1941, but refloated and rebuilt. When she returned to the firing line at the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1944, she flew the same colors that she had flown at Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Mar 22, 2024, 6:01 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

These sailors with beards and prop jugs of moonshine are the "converted mountaineers" of USS West Virginia (BB-48) in 1944.
#NationalWestVirginiaDay

Twitter · Mar 22, 2024, 6:01 PM

[wintry moat]

That is cool

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqcoAuDxNE0

[naive rampart]

HMS Centurion disguised as HMS Anson in 1942. This was considered a failure as the Italians saw right through it and it only elicited a minor response from the Germans. It did, however, completely fool the Azur Lane community in 2024

[ivory ridge]

i think thats some major cope

[covert timber]

That'll explain her mustache

[ivory ridge]

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/OnDisasters/status/1771440873907065122

[fierce quartz]

https://youtu.be/8GSAFcHosJ0?si=xZjv5ny7-pt4cRNp

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771546496929804719

[shy grail]

Yeah, probably reused design, given badge indicates HMS Sunfish

[runic ermine]

The Battle of Wizna

[fierce quartz]

Yes.

And the song about it by Sabaton is pretty good.

[runic ermine]

40-1 in reference to the fact that the Poles were heavily outnumbered

[fierce quartz]

Battle of Wizna and battle of Gdansk post office are pretty good last stands.

[fierce quartz]

Yeah... 720 Poles vs 40k Germans

[runic ermine]

I'd also say that the Canadians at Hong Kong had a pretty good last stand dispite being poorly equipped and trained

[fierce quartz]

Or those 21 Sikhs vs 10k tribesmen

[steel rapids]

Poles with rifles and machine gun vs Germans with 3 armored cars and a bunch of guys

[manic latch]

Wrong

40-1 is about both sides being equal in number

Thus 40=1

Sigh

OF COURSE ITS ABOUT BEING OUTNUMBERED WHAT ELSE CAN IT BE

[thorny plaza]

Salem right after launch, at the fitting out dock

[solid mango]

Y e s

Need

Giive meeee

[solid mango]

[signal wave]

U4 seems interesting

[fierce quartz]

Yes lmao

40 postmen vs 200+ SS soldiers and police

[shy grail]

U4 wasn't 50 k tonnes though, it was 30 k tonnes

[steel rapids]

Lol

[fierce quartz]

The funnier part is that they fended off the attack for over 12 hours and the SS commander had to beg Wehrmacht for 75mm and 105mm guns.

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/rI7o3NwCswg?si=ySApuTfCtYuUj9CM

[acoustic fern]

jesus christ people overreacted way too much
heres what i cook

they introduce Centurion as Anson because she is pretending to be her a reference to an actual historical event and when she is out in game thats when they would reveal her true name

[eternal veldt]

It's done, they're redesigning her, end of story

[acoustic fern]

exactly they overreacted completely blowing the entire thing away

[maiden citrus]

if only we had gotten such a response for past egregious errors

[eternal veldt]

I wouldn't call it an overreaction, this one's pretty terrible overall

Now of course, if it's death threats and the like, then yea, bad.

[ivory ridge]

a) thats cope, stop
b) gold centurion is dumb
c) the design is still dogshit for a BB

[acoustic fern]

well cant do anything about it now

[autumn sorrel]

You forget, quad 356mm turret

[frozen kestrel]

Quick hyperspecific question: How thick was the actual barrel of Bismarck's gun (Not counting bore diameter)?

[autumn sorrel]

That's awfully specific

[frozen kestrel]

I know

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, not spec on barrel, only on the Rifling grooves

[frozen kestrel]

I actually could use that info, since I eventually gotta model the rifling

[autumn sorrel]

Grooves depth is 4.5mm and width is 7.76mm

It said the gun have 90 grooves

[frozen kestrel]

Let me just copy paste that real quick

[autumn sorrel]

Barrel Lands is 5.5mm

Twist increasing RH 1 in 36 to 1 in 30

[frozen kestrel]

Barrel lands?

[autumn sorrel]

Lands is the part that connect with the shell, that what I understand

Let me send you a graphic depiction

[steel rapids]

And they still struggle to take over

[fierce quartz]

Indeed

[manic latch]

Tbh

April fools is coming

[ivory ridge]

Keyword

Coming

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

There is no "april fools tease"

You announce it in the same day

You release it in the same day

And that's it

Lying for a joke in an official announcement is just a bad precedent

Like again

Lets say hypothetically she was Centurion

And you want to play with the whole disguise thing

Tease her earlier

No name

Just the rigging and or rigging+girl

Bait people into thinking anson is coming

Then boom

Announce the actual name

With an explanation of why

People that know about the disguise would already know

Others would find out about an historical tidbit

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

But straight announcing Anson in a tweet

No

That's not how it works

[manic latch]

She is just so unnatural to other sisters

[frozen kestrel]

Agreed

[runic ermine]

Did I miss something?

[fierce sparrow]

it's... well... oh dear

🤦‍♂️

I wish I don't want to see this Anson mess...

[sullen canyon]

Well then we can always move on from it since it seems like that issue is over with anyways

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771937875568758924

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1910, Richard Best was born. Flying a Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bomber, Best scored hits on two of the four Japanese carriers sunk during the Battle of Midway. He would never fly again after the battle due to his lungs being damaged by his plane's faulty oxygen system.

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 4:31 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1771958497116147776

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1919, USS Idaho (BB-42) was commissioned. During WWII, the Japanese claimed to have sunk the battleship three times but she survived the war and was in Tokyo Bay to witness Japan's surrender. This is the Idaho punching enemy installations on Okinawa in 1945.

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 5:53 PM

[manic latch]

F6F-5P on Uss Princeton

[ivory ridge]

suboptimal

[frozen kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-b-weide-jeff-garlin-larry-david-curb-your-enthusiasm-el-show-de-larry-david-gif-13821135

[ripe drum]

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-gif-26936399

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772010107720659436

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1986, A-6E Intruders from USS Coral Sea sank one Libyan Nanuchka-class corvette and damaged another. The action took place after the U.S. Navy was attacked for challenging Libya's claim to the entire Gulf of Sidra by crossing Gaddafi's "Line of Death".

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 9:18 PM

[dark fern]

I love her to be HMS Centurion, the HMS Anson Decoy.

[ivory ridge]

I dont

Make her a sub or a DD

Not a BB

[dark fern]

One is a KGV Dreadnought, the other KGV battleship

[dark fern]

HMS Centurion is pretty small as a dreadnought, I think it might be the smallest HMS BB in-game, so her being small is fine for me.

[ivory ridge]

It's still dumb

[dark fern]

Well! We already have the QE class with petite small bodies.
The KGV Dreadnought are much smaller than them.
Thought it might fit in.

[eternal veldt]

It's clear at this point that Anson is a simple misdesign

let scrapped ideas remain scrapped

[ivory ridge]

This isnt petite small body this is a fucking child come on

And the rest of the design still makes less than zero sense

Make it a skin if you really want this dumb looking cunt in the game

Not a base

[manic latch]

Stop coping

She was a mistake

Devs realized the mistake

Now she will be eradicated

[dark fern]

Well! Waste of resources and time if they axed it.
Use it as something else.
What's there to cope?
If Dev's remove her, no problem!
If Dev's use her, that too no problem.
Issuing threats to the artist and Dev's is far worse.

[ivory ridge]

Threats are wrong but they fucked up and deserve to be called out

Whether it's the artist drawing the wrong ships or just trying to be funny, or if it's was manjuu miscommunicating with the artist and/or repurposing the art themselves

We will likely never know whag actually happened

[dark fern]

Well doesn't the Dev's have the creative freedom to do what they want to show?

[ivory ridge]

It's a character collection waifu game

The whole point is making likeable characters

She wasnt liked

You can't make the second last releaseable Treaty BB that

What next

Indiana is Bache 2.0?

Come on

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMKwDHPkRLw

[runic ermine]

Interesting

[dark fern]

Well every character design have their fans and haters.
Having different design and size for the same class in-game is already very common.

[ivory ridge]

Not to this extent no

[sage fern]

Any French navy affecianados know a French WW2 era ship that equipped 550mm torpedoes in a quad mount? Can't seem to find anything, even on NavWeapons.

[spring briar]

there aren't iirc

only triples and doubles

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAhQz9m-zA

[subtle prawn]

Only on early designs of the Duquesne-class before they changed to triples

[astral rover]

I am a noob about naval history stuff, in a hypothetical situation where shinano had actually been finished as a BB, would it have changed how any of the battles went? I know yamato and Musashi were sidelined for oil costs and fear of air attack but still

[junior trench]

would have made the sinking rather spicy

[maiden citrus]

if they want to draw for fanfiction in their spare time they can, otherwise they should have some standards and will be punished via outrage and poor earnings

[shy grail]

Probably would have made it to Leyte, which then butterflies into what Halsey does

[runic ermine]

Why did the french put torpedos on a CV

[spring briar]

Because Béarn had originally been designed and laid down as a battleship with torpedo tubes

When she was converted to a CV these were retained

[runic ermine]

I know but why keep those?

[spring briar]

Not worth removing

[thorny plaza]

https://youtu.be/Lk-39CgV1g4?si=ptHFpY8zQrLmKEnm

Here is a great documentary talking about the story of Franklin

[signal wave]

BEN FRANKLIN

[narrow rover]

On the grand scheme of things it probably barely changes anything.

[eternal veldt]

It'll be more submarine food

That is, if Shinano can even be completed

Japan's economy is getting choked to death by the increasing lethality of the US submarine campaign, its skilled crew getting meat chopped, and parts cannibalized from constructing ships to hastily complete the other ships

See: Unryu class carriers cannibalizing Ibuki and Kagerou's machinery so they can be produced faster

[junior trench]

BB Shinano would probably take longer to finish than CV Shinano

so maybe the USN gets to capture her incomplete in port

[eternal veldt]

That said, I think some of Shinano's core parts are at least complete

Barbettes and the like, the work in the war is mostly to build a hangar on top of the main deck and not making her flip over

Its very suboptimal

[chilly osprey]

Assuming Shinano took as long to build (32 months) and fit out (16 months for Yamato, 21 months for Musashi), she would have been completed some time between July and late October of 1944. Add on 4-5 months to work up and she becomes operational anywhere from December 1944 to February 1945.

So she should enter service in time to be available to die with Yamato in Operation Ten-Go, but not much else.

[astral rover]

I think this all basically answers my followup question of whether her presence would've have changed any part of Leyte Gulf so uhhh ty

[signal wave]

If she wasn't spotted before Leyte gulf, it might have been a big surprise for the Americans to see a carrier almost the same size as Yamato

But thats a big if

[rapid junco]

Activation of the 1st Anti-air Artillery group, 1941
https://www.instagram.com/p/C47Ify_sb_B/?igsh=MWg5ZDRrN2hxZjU2cw==

frontinternobr

🔰 Ocasião da inauguração do 1° Grupo de Artilharia Antiaérea. (1° GAAAe) Rio de Janeiro, 1941. Notar a presença dos canhões Antiaéreos Krupp 88 mm de fabricação alemã.

🔰 Fonte: Arquivo Nacional.

#front #frontinterno #brasil #brasilemguerra #brasilnaguerra #brasilnaIIguerra #IIguerramundial #exercitobrasileiro #exercito #artilharia #rj #riodeja...

Instagram

Flak 88s
And the soldiers wearing Adrian helmets

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772410613496443367

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Happy Maryland Day! The battleship USS Maryland (BB-46) served from 1921 to 1947. The Maryland survived being bombed at Pearl Harbor as well as a torpedo hit and multiple kamikaze strikes during WWII. This is a rare color image of "Old Mary" in 1945.
#MarylandDay

Twitter · Mar 25, 2024, 11:49 PM

[maiden citrus]

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772434230594679074

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772319744948904190

[manic latch]

@maiden citrus @shrewd pecan

https://youtu.be/yHBeihB530Y?si=-l4YskKSLliz3PGS

1980's film about early US Navy surface-to-air missile development leading up to the RIM-66 / RIM-67 Standard Missile and AGM-78 Standard ARM. Nice footage of the Terrier, Tartar, and Standard Missile

@ivory ridge https://youtu.be/gRm3o1Uwc7Y?si=Vs3eQ-x-DGLf40aF

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8y-of5WpVA

[maiden citrus]

Pretty cool

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772753699128963231

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, the light cruiser HMS Penelope was damaged in an air attack. Over the next several days, subsequent air attacks put so many holes in the ship that she was nicknamed "HMS Pepperpot". After the holes were plugged with long pieces of wood, she became "HMS Porcupine".

Twitter · Mar 26, 2024, 10:33 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1772783750180466710

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

When the Battle of Okinawa began #OTD in 1945, six sailors who had died during Commodore Perry's 1853 expedition were the only Americans buried on the island. By the time the battle ended three months later, Okinawa cemeteries would contain the graves of 10,243 U.S. servicemen.

Twitter · Mar 27, 2024, 12:32 AM

[frozen kestrel]

Started working on a model for Bismarck's rifling grooves, and... It's already pissing me off

[steel rapids]

Bruh

[steel rapids]

That one battle where the Japanese would not give up