history

[manic latch]

Anime

[shrewd pecan]

I mean a newer round would be nice but it still doesn’t really change the fact it’s just another side grade

[strong plank]

It’s because that’s what was popular on twitter and pixiv at the time

[civic aspen]

thanks

[manic latch]

Be that way till Abrams X

At least Sep 3 will have Trophy

[shrewd pecan]

Sep3 actually has armor upgrades as well

[manic latch]

Yosh

I also wants the prototypes as event

One with German long barrel

And one with 140mm

[strong plank]

I’m just waiting for whatever fun stuff M1A3 brings us

[shrewd pecan]

I mean they should just smack the M1 CATTB with the gun configured as a 120 MM ingame at this point so it’s something new

and you know competitive

[manic latch]

This girl as event

Abrams engine, highly advanced autoloader

[strong plank]

I’ll be a little sad when the Abrams loses its distinctive cheeks

But

I can live with something like this

[shrewd pecan]

the M1A3 we should of gotten

[manic latch]

Cute

[manic latch]

Add this together with Object 195

[strong plank]

You know I do wonder

With how it seems like M1A3 and XM30 will probably be stuffed to the gills with networking tech

How much of that will make its way into the Booker

[manic latch]

Funny thing about Booker

It's minimum is already 38 tons

If she goes above that

You can't carry 2 Booker in a C 17

Because C-17 max limit is 77 tons

So up to army now

[strong plank]

Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find more info on that either

[shrewd pecan]

ah

yup CATTB did have a spall liner

[strong plank]

With chieftain’s tweet last week about what was said about M1E3

It does seem like that’s replaced DLP

So the M1A3 won’t just be a stopgap until the mainline MBT, but the next MBT itself

[manic latch]

Abrams forever

[strong plank]

of course

[manic latch]

Like Challenger

[strong plank]

they can’t the name the next tank yet

McMaster is still alive

[manic latch]

Even KF-51 Panther turned out to be

Leopard 2 hull with glorified turret

[shrewd pecan]

I mean that was what it clearly was the entirely time

[grave ravine]

I don't really think that's true, I just think some people have had unreasonable expectations for when the army actually plans to start DLP

[strong plank]

I mean it’s part of the broader NGCV program

And all the other components are well underway

the competition for the XM30 is in progress

Same with AMPV

MPF’s already been chosen

[strong plank]

And the RCV program is undergoing, albeit downsized

[manic latch]

I love this design of a university

[grave ravine]

From the beginning though DLP was only expected to kick off sometime in the 2020s

It probably got pushed back a bit further with the reemphasis on long range fires

[strong plank]

I guess we’ll see

I’m just doubtful the army would be looking at some of the stuff it reportedly is for M1A3

if it was planned to be replaced within a decade or two

[runic ermine]

Ots12 from gfl also has stars for eyes

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https://tenor.com/view/burning-elf-elf-light-fire-looking-into-light-gif-21174314

Me opening this channel at dark

Anyway

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-french-price-bids-for-indian-navy-26-rafale-m-and-3-scorpene-subs-3345250/

💰

[frozen kestrel]

That's the only suitable response I have for that

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan hmmm

[shrewd pecan]

yeah I don't really buy Gaijin's claim regarding the suspension considering it was being constantly upgraded

[maiden citrus]

it's warthunder

[shrewd pecan]

true

[maiden citrus]

it's of course wrong

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvhEN_kHaA4

[desert agate]

what was the dud rate for British AAMs in the Falklands?

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-elf-elf-light-fire-looking-into-light-gif-21174314

[manic latch]

Pentagon's latest War game simulation for Fujian carrier vs whole F-22 fleet

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dGVymeSm_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOu5c7uHmi8

[swift silo]

Listening to gulf war era music and working on a ship that was there is a vibe

[grave ravine]

I don't recall the UK experiencing a notably above average failure rate with sidewinder

[desert agate]

Yes but what was it

And how many AAMs did it take to down an Argentine plane on average

[desert agate]

Ideally divided between both Lima and Golf versions of the Sidewinder if anyone has the numbers

[swift silo]

For anyone wondering btw, I'm working on refurbishing a clearing/cleaning rod aboard USS Missouri. I'm pretty sure it's for one of the 5" guns

Poles are getting sanded, refinished, and re-varnished. Brass and copper fittings on the ends are gonna be cleaned up and polished as they would've been before sitting for 30 years

[maiden citrus]

nice

[swift silo]

I got one segment sanded today. The other two are still waiting

Legit they're just leaning up against the bulkhead of the teak shop on the O-2 waiting for next weekend.

[low kraken]

https://youtu.be/D59anpMtgU8?si=5PKkEVkoahB2n-Pz

She’s progressing well

AL Texas when?

[rapid junco]

Graf Spee in Montevideo

[slate blade]

it's really sad that constellation is ahistorical and can't equip CL guns

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LvFpIu8FI

[worthy hare]

Dumb question and kinda inspired with all the Guam hype, why are the Scharnhorst classified as Battlecruisers instead of Large Cruisers?
Doesn't Alaska have bigger guns while they are comparable in displacement and length?

[strong plank]

Large cruisers aren’t really a displacement designation, more of a doctrine thing

The Scharns are usually thought of as battleships anyway

[spiral cedar]

The Germans considered them BBs. Only the Brits thought of them as BCs, and they reverted to calling them BBs as well by war's end

Also, the Brits put the KGVs in the battlecruiser squadrons anyway early war, because to the Brits, BC was just a fast capital ship (28+ knots)

The US considered the Alaskas to be large cruisers because they weren't designed as capital ships, weren't intended for capital ship roles, and weren't used as capital ships

[strong plank]

It looks like the devs just copied World of Warships

Which uses a Frankenstein combination of the pre- and post- redesign armaments

[manic latch]

Thus the same name too

[strong plank]

not exactly

the Lexingtons weren’t like the H-class, we know the names of all the hulls

So that part’s real

[worthy hare]

Thanks for the answers you two!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TElpxcPBqGU

[pseudo cobalt]

so many bots are trying to find and buy an AN94 now

[fierce sparrow]

"buying" AN94...

[maiden citrus]

thompson my beloved

[desert agate]

It's got a lot more to do with how they were built and the facilities they carried
Scharnhorst had the internal fittings of a battleship, her watertight spaces and damage control were of battleship standard and she carried facilities for flag officers and their staff, while the Alaska's had heavy cruiser standard watertight spaces and didn't carry flag staff facilities

[grave ravine]

While others have noted the doctrinal issues, Scharnhorst is also just armored like a battleship, while Alaska isnt

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: What's the size (Overall diameter) of the Maus's barrel?

[wintry moat]

128

[frozen kestrel]

Need to know so I can properly fit this muzzle brake to it

[wintry moat]

128mm

[frozen kestrel]

Thanks

How thick is the Maus's barrel? (stupidly specific, I know)

[frozen kestrel]

The metal itself, not the bore

[runic ermine]

Yep

However the H classes in azur lane are named after real people

[frozen kestrel]

Does this look accurate for the gun of a Maus? (Untextured)

[desert agate]

It's a tube

[wild tendon]

well he's not wrong

I wonder if they put vertical stabilizers on the iowa class

they must've for the smaller 5/38s

[frozen kestrel]

I would add rifling, but I can't find any of the damn specs for the gun

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_Pak_44

lemme see if I can find anything modeling wise

[eternal veldt]

because that's what the dev and artist did - look at Constellation in that game and just took off with it.

compare:

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Wows and it's consequences

[spiral cedar]

https://vxtwitter.com/bgreene/status/813198775586000896

[jagged monolith]

Happy Birthday to Newton.

To a man who approximated Gravity that no one could improve upon it for centuries, to a man who invented a subfield of math.

[fierce sparrow]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kontakt642/status/1738639955264479679

[somber knoll]

Which were already suggested by the Mustache Man himself as far as I can tell.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NoradSanta/status/1739103333732770139

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1738950401683001626

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1739053299519635854

[grave ravine]

So it was recognized for a long time that you needed ways of keeping the guns level as ships rolled

That being said the gyroscopic stable verticals/stable elements the US used were the best in the world

And they were very well integrated into the greater FCS

Any gun aimed by the Mk1/8 fire control computers would have had one, other smaller ships had less sophisticated and effective systems

[wild tendon]

War thunder balance!11!!

apparently the North Carolina 1945 retrofit was the most popular choice for USN

can anybody tell me about that

[wild tendon]

huh

[grave ravine]

The TLDR is that every ship has vertically stabilized guns, but American ships destroyer and up had better stabilizers than everyone else

[cunning salmon]

I don't think you would ever want to miss using a naval gun

[spiral cedar]

On Christmas Day 1940 the German cruiser Admiral Hipper attacked Jumna in the Atlantic Ocean north of the Azores. The cruiser shelled Jumna, sinking her and killing all 108 people aboard.

[wild tendon]

apparently the hellcat could outturn the zeroes

what's up with that

do they mean like a hellcat could outturn zeroes with equal energy?

or is it like a zero doesn't have enough engine power to keep up with a hellcat in a sustained turn

[sterile turtle]

Probably the latter, hellcats had 2200 horsepower

Later Zeros had 1150 from what I can find

I could be wrong

[frozen kestrel]

Just got these (US Army Achievement medals) and a 1/350 scale Prinz Eugen for Christmas

[manic latch]

On of main reasons Japan did their planes light as possible

Was because of horrible engines they had

[gleaming cipher]

Stuff I got for Christmas :] (currently building the Lego one)

[last lance]

Cobi

[gleaming cipher]

Yeah! :D

[last lance]

I don't have any Cobi set but my friend is working there

[gleaming cipher]

Ooh nice

[last lance]

Yea but I forgot what exactly he is doing

But I love plastic models

I have 5 scale models

[gleaming cipher]

I do too :] I just gotta rember how many I have- uhh

[last lance]

No 7

I forget about very tiny RN destroyer and Studybacer tanker

[gleaming cipher]

Because they are definitely in different places but I think I have 13 (and now 14 with the yammy model I got)

[last lance]

My beloved model is ORP Błyskawica in 1/400 (maybe someday she will be in AL)

[gleaming cipher]

I’d love to see her or Piorun, both would be very nice..

But for rn this is all there is ig

[last lance]

Polish Navy was mainly DD's and some subs

[gleaming cipher]

Yep..

[last lance]

Manjuu gib us Polish Navy

[gleaming cipher]

Listen I would love if they added Johnston she’s one of my most favorite ships

[last lance]

Johnston.. hm it is that dd laying very deep under the sea?

[gleaming cipher]

Yes I know about kancolles, I literally have the nendoroid- perhaps? That and she got hit with a shell from yammy and kept fighting

[last lance]

I watched first season and movie

[gleaming cipher]

Ah. Yes that’s her

Hell I’d love any of the taffy 3 ships

Like gambier bay or samuel b roberts (oh!! And I learned years ago that one of my professors from college relatives fought on one of the taffy 3’s carriers)

[last lance]

One of my uncles was on Kriegsmarine as AA gunner in Norway

[gleaming cipher]

Well there’s this and-

my moms dad fought as a marine in guadalcanal

[runic ermine]

The christmas truce happened today in 1914

[manic latch]

......

Christmas truce

Happened in Christmas?

[desert agate]

Impossible

[maiden citrus]

TIL

[runic ermine]

well yes it's kinda self explanatory i just wanted to bring it up

[ivory ridge]

true and real

[vivid fiber]

Based and valid, have a good day my man

[spiral cedar]

A holiday present for those interested in wartime production

Courtesy the Bureau of Ordnance

(Note a typo for the 14" AP, which is 1500# not 1140#)

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1739387577713484231

[rapid junco]

Just like The Battle of May 4th

[desert agate]

@eternal veldt what colour antifowling did Texas use?

[eternal veldt]

US ships of WW2 as far as Im aware uses red

Nowadays they use blue for some ships like Port Royal

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1739495335448264862?s=20

So this is wrong then

[eternal veldt]

It would be hasty to immediately dismiss it as wrong - there is a bunch of underlying coats and primers before the final coating

Case in point, Missouri also has a coating like this

[desert agate]

Ah I see

[eternal veldt]

The Texas folks should know their shit - they were very quick to point out that the 1980s 5-N coating they had were botched and inaccurate in tone

What they have now should be on point

Very no

[eternal veldt]

Terrible news

Alan Raven, expert on the RN, passed away last Friday night

[frozen kestrel]

Damn...

[manic latch]

Man Rumi is underrated

"A westerner lives in the West. An oriental comes to visit. The westerner is a stranger to the oriental, but who is the real stranger? Is not the oriental a stranger to all the West?" In other words, sure the idea of a Holy War, or a true saint using violence sounds strange and wrong to us, but does that mean it is wrong? Who is the real stranger to Truth?

[runic ermine]

Worst generals of ww1 (in no specific order):
🇮🇹Cadorna
🇦🇹Hötzendorf
🇬🇧Haig
🇷🇺Zhilinsky

Cardorna because of the 12 battles of izonzo and his additude towards the situation (which was that his men were lacking patriotism but in reality it was because attacking in alpine warfare is hard)

[spring briar]

Dunno about Haig being on there

[runic ermine]

Hötzendorf because of multiple reasons:
3 failed invasions of Serbia
Multiple oofs against Russia and Italy

[runic ermine]

I'll get to that

Haig:
Because of how he didn't learn his lesson at the somme. 59,000 casualties on day one. Nearly 1 million dead for 10 miles
Pashendale, described as one of the most hellish and pointless battles in human history, the capture of one Belgian village in exchange for anywhere between 300,000 British casualties (this however is a high estimate as casualties for the battle are disputed)
That being said he's probably the most competent general on the list

Zhilinsky:
Failure of the east Prussia campaign, Battle of Tannenberg and the battle of the masurian lakes. He also tried to blame other generals like Paul von Rennenkamp for the failures in Prussia

He was later relived from command

[frozen kestrel]

(Sorry for the ping) Did you manage to find anything else on its specs? If not, that's fine.

[shrewd pecan]

not much

I'd just look around in modeling forums

[frozen kestrel]

Isn't it basically just a scaled up version of the 7.5 cm Pak 44? (Kinda like how SK C/34 referred to, like, seven different guns?)

Or am I just being dumb?

[grave ravine]

Haig didn't fight the Somme and Passchendaele to take a few towns, the battles were fought because they thought that maybe this time they could create the conditions to break the trench deadlock

The upper echelons of WW1 leadership were constrained by the fact that the tactics and technologies needed to break the deadlock simply didn't come together until 1918

But they fundamentally didn't know that, only that what they tried last time didn't work

[vivid fiber]

An associate procured this emblem, does anyone know what it says?

[runic ermine]

Yeah it was to make breakthrough however it never really happened until 1918

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1739695311541387454

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1739815571598803369

[spiral cedar]

ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫЙ КОМИТЕТ РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ ПО СВЯЗИ И ИНФОРМАТИЗАЦИИ

THE STATE COMMITTEE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATIZATION

[runic ermine]

So the patch is possibly from communication troops?

[spiral cedar]

No, it's basically like the FCC

This is basically what they do

e.g. granting mobile phone licenses to companies

[runic ermine]

Oh

[desert agate]

I'd note that as far as WW1 tacticians are concerned, the Gold standard is, and remains, sir John Monash of the AIF

It would be hard to find a commander in the 20th century who was more singularly influential on military operations

No other commander managed to analyse the failures on the Western front and then overcome said failures in such a decisive manner as Monash

Effectively inventing modern combined arms warfare while single handedly producing some of the most brilliant victories of the war

[remote monolith]

https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/yale-paleontology-gecko-fossil-north-america-18547677.php

This is the oldest gecko fossil ever found on the continent, as the discovery places the arrival of geckos in North America much farther back than previously understood — roughly 163-145 million years ago.

Meyer named the new species Helioscopos dickersonae. The genus Helioscopos translates to “sun watchers.” Meyer chose the species name, dickersonae, to honor his grandmother Helen Dickerson, great aunt Shirley Dickerson, and Mary Dickerson (no relation) who was the first curator of herpetology of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.

Helioscopos is not the direct ancestor of American gecko species. Meyer said that it’s likely what he discovered was a “ghost lineage.” The geckos we see today in America came from a separate migration event after the Jurassic period.

also pictured is Ebenezer

a very complete Allosaurus fossil....that is currently taken hostage by a creationist museum

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, three eyes?

[remote monolith]

its a description for an additional sensing organ around their forehead

[autumn sorrel]

How does they theorize that organ work?

[remote monolith]

tldr

A parietal eye, also known as a third eye or pineal eye, is a part of the epithalamus present in some vertebrates. The eye is located at the top of the head, is photoreceptive and is associated with the pineal gland, regulating circadian rhythmicity and hormone production for thermoregulation.

its not present in modern mammals, but frogs, lizards sharks and fishes has them

[autumn sorrel]

So heat regulation, neat

[manic latch]

Likely belonging to this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAPSI

Very similar to American NSA I think

[silver crest]

jfk's presidential portrait kinda goes hard ngl

[manic latch]

Zhukov

[silver crest]

🔥 💯

[runic ermine]

Agreed. Even ww2 generals learned the lessons of the first world war

[autumn sorrel]

Bruh, they have to tone down the medal he wore bc the full number make it sound like made up

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/zhukov-gif-20082782

[runic ermine]

I feel like Aleksandr Vasilevsky was also a great soviet general

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIyJ5eQYUk4

[cunning salmon]

USS New Jersey's service history is a bit... unique.

[cunning salmon]

Couldn't decide to put her in or put her back

[tidal pike]

I love her sm

And yeah the draw of the Iowa class' intimidation and shore bombardment was very tempting for the USN and NJ was always put back in the best condition

Also this line from laffey 2 makes me smile :)

[wintry moat]

Cant be busting up your showgirl

[runic ermine]

Who would you guys say is the best ww1 general?

[desert agate]

Monash

Not even a nationalist wank on my part

No one comes close

Attaturk is probably the best commander on the Central Powers side but the bar is not high there

[tidal pike]

It's funny cuz of the sister Mo is definitely the showgirl where NJ was the workhorse

[desert agate]

Honestly I can't understand kaiserboos when Germany in the first world war had probably the worst commanders possible

[wintry moat]

Wym?

How so?

[tidal pike]

I also think it's very sweet and telling that I don't think ive ever heard a vet sing anything but praises about serving on her, to the point when even after her final decommissioning in the 90s one of the engineers wrote a report still thinking she would come back. The first line was something along the lines of 'to the engineer inspecting this ship, welcome to the New Jersey, this is going to be the most fun you've ever had'

Idk I'm mildly obsessed w that ship lmao. I've visited so many times ik the layout of it super well and have some neat photos of when I visited her on her 80th bday and had some of her cake

Can't wait to visit her on her way to a nice spa day

[wintry moat]

I understand the liking of a ship

i adore Hood

both IRL and in-game

[tidal pike]

Hood is neat

I really like how the Brits respected the hunt for her bell

[wintry moat]

Da

I recently learned that Microsoft’s Co-Founder Helped find her bell

[tidal pike]

Oh neat

Didn't know that either, I just remember it was something they took v seriously

Have you seen the cobi hood model

[wintry moat]

I own one

[tidal pike]

Nice

[wintry moat]

her and Bismarck

got Bis for Christmas

[tidal pike]

I have an NJ and an Enty, also a corsair

[wintry moat]

Cool

[runic ermine]

I'd say Arthur Currie

[tidal pike]

I want either Biscuit or Yammy next

[wintry moat]

ive got them set side by side

[runic ermine]

Or maybe Alexi Brusilov

[wintry moat]

they stepped up their game on Bismarck

Her turrets are so nice

[runic ermine]

Both were amazing generals

[wintry moat]

They have a nice smooth rotation

[runic ermine]

Brusilov with shock troops

[desert agate]

German commanders effectively believed their own propaganda, they routinely pushed for larger setpiece battles to take more land rather than pushing for the actual important pressure points such as logistics hubs
Operation Michael is a prime example of this, where by the time German forces turned to focus on Amiens, the offensive had lost most of its momentum

[runic ermine]

And Currie put an emphasis on preparation for battles in order to be in the best possible condition

[runic ermine]

Despite inflicting more casualties

[wintry moat]

Damn

[desert agate]

German commanders also failed to properly understand their position in the war, and it wasn't until 1918 when they contemplated attempting a negotiated settlement with the Entente, well after the point such a settlement was possible.and well after it was clear the war was lost

[runic ermine]

Wasn't the population at that point starving due to the blockade?

[desert agate]

A more prudent and realistic senior command would have recognised that a protracted conflict simply wasn't winnable and the Germans very well should have attempted negotiating as early as 1916, or in the aftermath of Brest-Litovsk

[desert agate]

It is easy to inflict greater casualties when on the defensive

[runic ermine]

I know. I'm talking about operation Michael when they were attacking

[desert agate]

The Marne would have been another ideal point after which a prudent command staff would attempt negotiating

[subtle prawn]

And I thought Austria-Hungary's war planner sucked really badly

[runic ermine]

Also speaking of that I never expected that after 100 year trench warfare would still be relivant

[desert agate]

The Austrians were far from great but the Germans simply didn't understand their own position at a strategic level

[runic ermine]

This guy

Conrad von Hötzendorf

[desert agate]

When they had the upper hand they didn't capitalise on it and attempted to negotiate a victors peace when they were clearly defeated

[runic ermine]

One of the worst generals of ww1 (I said why earlier) but he did have a killer mustache

[desert agate]

Hindenburg repeatedly torpedoed any attempt by what was left of Germany's civilian government to find an armistice in the West even when Germany was in its best position to achieve a beneficial settlement

[runic ermine]

I love how we live in a day and age that dudes with anime pfp can trash on old generals of the past

God I love the internet

[desert agate]

I'm just repeating the words of qualified historians

[runic ermine]

I guess I was too just condensed

Like saying big oofs serbia is a bit of a blanket statement

[desert agate]

Mind you I'm not saying a negotiated settlement was possible that's the realm of alternate history but there were multiple periods where Germany was in a strategically and politically advantageous position where it should have attempted a settlement

[runic ermine]

Didn't ludendorf promise some big goal before operation Micheal?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JN_moZ7Wk

[somber knoll]

@runic ermine @spring briar Any opinion on Joffre (the general, not the carrier)?

[runic ermine]

He was a good general. He stopped the german advance in 1914

[spring briar]

First Marne epic

[cinder escarp]

Joffre's plead to (the fittingly named) Sir John French was probably the most important single allied act in 1914

[somber knoll]

nice

when I think of WW1 generals, then French, Joffre and Petain come to mind

[wild tendon]

during the battle off samar
the destroyer screen popped smoke and also made it so that they had black smoke pouring out of their funnels?
something about "overloading their boilers" or smth
how does that work?

[alpine onyx]

If the fuel to air ratio is heavily skewed in favor of the fuel, you generate an incomplete combustion and have all sorts of stuff in the exhaust gases, causing that thick smoke

[runic ermine]

What about Ferdinand Foch

[spring briar]

Foch was a good guy

Great fella

[somber knoll]

Man is the Man

[runic ermine]

Killer mustache too

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slaQxgcq49E

[wintry moat]

Excellent mustache

[spring briar]

@tough quail

[tough quail]

yessss

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740119138322804917

[wintry moat]

Weird

Low poly Carrier

[rapid junco]

I'm justing sending for funny
For mustaches that is

[shrewd pecan]

videos from 2020 with Mr Speranza unfortunately passing back in august of this year but after seeing it pop up in my twitter feed I felt like it belonged here

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740193047860969831

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740420498629214371

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740498943136715219

[runic ermine]

Rest in peace. Hero

[somber knoll]

https://i.redd.it/3uelc8f4849c1.jpeg

[runic ermine]

Imagine if the recommissioned her again if ww3 broke out

[maiden citrus]

that's quite a nice clip

[shrewd pecan]

she'd be next to useless

all she'd basically do is eat up escorts needed for other tasks while being worse at the naval gun fire support task than her escorting ships

assuming the top end cost of 150 thousand dollars per shell, you could either get one Iowa reactivation (going by the 2 billion dollar figure given by Szimanski is accurate) or 13,000 rounds of 127 MM Vulcano that give a Burke twice the effective range of the Iowa's 16 inchers while being GPS guided

[runic ermine]

More of a moral thing you know what I mean

Because moral is also important

[shrewd pecan]

I'd argue sending 80+ year old equipment to war is bad for moral

[runic ermine]

The common people are gonna be like: Wow big ship

[shrewd pecan]

it's the equivalent of being sent into the gulf war on Shermans and being told it's okay we fitted them with a laser range finder

[shrewd pecan]

I'd also argue the 4 or so carriers we have sitting in mothball or that are being sent to be scrapped are far more worthy of the drydock time and costs

[runic ermine]

I guess resources are a factor too

Man running a war is hard

[shrewd pecan]

you don't win wars by reactivating 80 year old equipment that's just gonna sit there and be useless

New Jersey was relevant in the 80s because she was one of the few ships in the fleet able to employ tomahawks in volume

[runic ermine]

Ah

[shrewd pecan]

on top of her 16 inchers still being relevant for the naval gun fire support role since they still outranged the 127 MMs of the spraunces

the fleet was also far larger and had sufficient escorts for the Iowa's making their lack of air defense doable

[jagged monolith]

Yep.

[strong plank]

There’s a marine joke in there somewhere

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of 2020 and beyond the Iowa's are 80+ years old, lack any significant air defense beyond Phalanx's and potentially Sea Rams, and there would be a crapton of support infrastructure and industry we'd have to recreate just to bring them back operational

No one's exactly making 16 inch shells anymore

[strong plank]

Plus you can’t fit them with newer radars without pretty extensive work

[shrewd pecan]

do they even have the power generation for SPY-1s or 6s

[strong plank]

There’s not much point in bringing out older equipment if they’d already be close (if not at) their modernization ceiling

[shrewd pecan]

hell even a AN/SPS-77(V)1

like if naval gun fire support is actually that much of a issue it would justify reactivating a Iowa at that point you're better off just buying extended range guided rounds for the Burkes or bringing back AGS

[shrewd pecan]

at a minimum the M60A1s were from the same generation of tanks they were facing

[strong plank]

Yeah I know

[shrewd pecan]

actually thinking about it

[runic ermine]

I feel really dumb now

[shrewd pecan]

so they have

[runic ermine]

But I'm also always open to learning

[shrewd pecan]

the only M60 with a spall liner beyond the proposed M60A4

"M60A1 RISE Passive: Incorporated all previous upgrades plus Kevlar turret spall liners, AVDS-1790-2D RISE engine and VEESS smoke system, deep water fording kit. US Marines outfitted with explosive reactive armor (ERA) in the late 1980s"

but no thermal sights

[runic ermine]

Thermal sights are used a lot in modern warfare

[strong plank]

That was less a M60 joke and more

The marines getting stuck with older equipment

[shrewd pecan]

surprised they didn't just fit them with the AN/VSG-2

just funny that they're the only M60 with a spall liner

[wild tendon]

lmao I can't help but imagine a singular somali pirate speedboat vs New Jersey

atomic bomb vs coughing baby or smth

[shrewd pecan]

New Jersey vs Somali Suicide boats

shame M60A4 never became a thing

"After examining more than two dozen possible upgrade components for the M60A3 TTS, the task force decided on the 15 subsystem upgrades that made up the M60A4 overhaul. Survivability upgrades included both appliqué and wraparound armor, internal spall liners, laser protection, an automatic fire suppression system, an engine smoke generation kit and a new low-profile cupola. Mobility enhancements included a new 1050 horsepower engine, a new automatic transmission, improved final drives, an improved vehicle suspension and a modification to the air cleaner. The M60A4's key target acquisition and fighting improvements were an upgraded laser rangefinder, an enhancement of TTS optical performance"

[strong plank]

The M60s always a funny tank to me

I know that by the end of its life cycle it had much of the same systems as the M1

But visually they came from 2 different design eras

[shrewd pecan]

I'm just happy most of the shit regarding the M60 isn't classified

so much less of a nightmare to figure out what upgrade did what like on the M1

the complete nothingness out there regarding if the Abrams has or doesn't have a spall liner or what its spall protection is beyond the crew wearing body armor

[strong plank]

I’d like to do an M60 model kit

[shrewd pecan]

if my hands were steady enough for that type of thing I'd probably be doing model kits like crazy

tho for now I'll just stick to my K2 and my metal gear rex that I had my friend assemble for me

[strong plank]

Your hands don’t need to be too steady

I’m pretty clumsy with small details and I’ve somehow managed it

[shrewd pecan]

getting the tiny parts right would break me

the jerry cans on my K2 were apparently like 4 parts for no reason

[wild tendon]

tbh I think the spherical turret on the m48 looks cool

along with the t55

oh and someone explain this to me

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_de_Witt#Disaster_year_and_De_Witt's_death

"During 1672, which the Dutch refer to as the disaster year, France and England attacked the Republic in the Franco-Dutch War. De Witt was severely wounded by a knife-wielding assassin on 21 June. He resigned as Grand Pensionary on 4 August, but this was not enough for his enemies. His brother Cornelis (who was deputy-in-the-field for de Ruyter at the Raid on the Medway), particularly hated by the Orangists, was arrested on trumped-up charges of treason. He was tortured (as was usual under Roman-Dutch law, which required a confession before a conviction was possible) but refused to confess. Nevertheless, he was sentenced to exile. When his brother went over to the jail (which was only a few steps from his house) to help him get started on his journey, both were attacked by members of The Hague's civic militia. The brothers were shot and then left to the mob. Their naked, mutilated bodies were strung up on the nearby public gibbet, while the Orangist mob ate their roasted livers in a cannibalistic frenzy. Throughout it all, a remarkable discipline was maintained by the mob, according to contemporary observers, lending doubt as to the spontaneity of the event.[46]"

[wild tendon]

buh

that's fucking wild

[runic ermine]

well history is often times crazier than fiction

Another thing that history has shown us is that americans are bad at geography

like Fort Blunder, an MP arresting US general Omar Bradley because he correctly said that Springfield is the capital of Illinois when the MP thought it was Chicago, all those videos of Americans and maps

and so on

[junior trench]

people are good at geography within a radius of where they live

the same way people have only a limited number of other people they're actually able to properly identify with

you'll get similar results asking literally anyone from a country large enough that you'll need more than a day's travel on the road to leave

[manic latch]

5MB in 1956

1 TB in 2023

[humble mulch]

I was a tour guide at a zoo and regularly got foreigners who thought they'd have enough be able to do Disney world or Universal the same day, neither were within the city. Everyone is equally pretty bad at it

[runic ermine]

I guess

[humble mulch]

Remember Europeans are bad at it too historically, thought Cuba was India

(Forgot which island chain Columbus actually hit)

[runic ermine]

I guess everyone's had their slip ups

[humble mulch]

Mental state and context for those twp make sense. Real easy to mess stuff up when you are hyper paranoid for Germans, or when you hit new land and see shit that's close enough to the goal

[thick scarab]

The Italian Navy has a training ship known as the Amerigo Vespucci, a Full-rigged ship launched in 1931, the ship's motto being "Non chi comincia ma quel che persevera." which translates to "Not he who begins but he who perseveres." to this day almost 94 years after launching the Amerigo still serves as a Italian Training ship for the Marina Militare.
While sailing the Mediterranean Sea in 1962, the American aircraft carrier USS Independence flashed the Amerigo Vespucci with the light signal asking: "Who are you?" The full-rigged ship answered: "Training ship Amerigo Vespucci, Italian Navy." The Independence replied: "You are the most beautiful ship in the world." In 2022 the Amerigo Vespucci sailed by the American aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush, which saluted the ship and commented: "You are still, after 60 years, the most beautiful ship in the world."

Yostar where is my AR SR Amerigo Vespucci

[ivory ridge]

she's a shipgirl in Victory Belles

[tough quail]

who's better than a lot of CAs because that games fucking weird

[runic ermine]

Have you guys heard about the time when one canadian soldier liberated a dutch town?

He also recived the distinushed conduct medal in two different wars (World War 2 and the Korean War)

[spiral cedar]

Slow as balls but can carry 20 x 14" guns

[runic ermine]

anyways who wants to see the 3 chinese ironclad BBs come to azur lane?

[spring briar]

me

but not as URs

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVNa4vbcLY

[thick scarab]

Ya don't fook with the Canadians you betcha eh?

3 things Canadians were known for in both World Wars.
They're efficient, brutal and they almost made a glacier aircraft carrier

O' Canada

[shrewd pecan]

Brit's got a new toy

I will be making no further comment on the origins of this vehicle

[manic latch]

Surely it was a friendly trade. Like this new CV-90 in Moscow

Maybe a Bradley will soon come as a new toy

[shrewd pecan]

still waiting for that T-90A and T-90M to show up somewhere in the US

[manic latch]

Yeah I'm waiting for Leopard 2 and Strv 122

[shrewd pecan]

the like

completely burnt out ones?

[manic latch]

Nah those are scrap

You preserve non burn ones

[shrewd pecan]

like US wise there's a T-90A and BMP-3s somewhere in the army's inventory that were seen on a truck bed

[manic latch]

Actually US had BMP 3 long ago I think

From Greece?

[shrewd pecan]

they had a Syrian T-90A

or a mock up of one

we don't quite know

beyond that there's probably a T-90M floating around somewhere in either Western Europe or the US

[manic latch]

Most valuable tanks are uhh

Strv 122

And Leoa6 I think

Others are all old gear

[shrewd pecan]

the STRV-122s are relatively old

2A6 isn't really anything special either

[manic latch]

Then yeah there is no latest advanced tech there actually

[shrewd pecan]

beyond that I don't think any leopard 2s have been captured beyond like 2 completely burnt out leopard 2A4s

[manic latch]

Leopard2: seen often

Chal2: Dissappear after 2 loss

Abrams: ????????

[shrewd pecan]

only 1 challenger got destroyed by artillery

I don't want to really go more into detail about it

[manic latch]

Yeah turret pop

[runic ermine]

No the UK tried to make Habakkuk. It was just tested in Canada because it's cold here

[shrewd pecan]

since I don't feel like eating a warn over just posting a picture of a BMP-3 in the UK

[manic latch]

Since Chals doesn't have uhh

Blowout panels

Chal 3 does

At long last

[shrewd pecan]

she got turret popped because she ate a entire artillery barrage after getting detracked by a mine

[runic ermine]

I remember seeing a video of russian troops inspecting a captured one

[manic latch]

And the fact she literally has no blowout

Literally if interior starts burning

It will pop eventually

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it really doesn't matter

if the tank is being subjected to sustain artillery hits

it is going to be destroyed no matter what

[manic latch]

Well yeah a tank ain't stopping 6 inch

Strv 122 tried in a way

With likely best mbt roof armor

That's likely for 4 inch tho

[shrewd pecan]

I mean only one STRV-122 has been fully destroyed and that was also to artillery

[manic latch]

Fatty

[shrewd pecan]

still find it funny that the Greeks were the only ones to pursue the roof armor and reinforced hull armor as well until the 2A7/2A8

also the fact that the 105 2A6 exists

[manic latch]

I'm interested on compact hypersonic missiles

[shrewd pecan]

LOSAT but small

[manic latch]

Fast enough APS can't react

And amazing pen

[manic latch]

But yeah a tank can't do anything for

Mines and artillery

You cannot armor tracks

[spring briar]

APFSDS still a huge threat

[shrewd pecan]

I mean mines it's just down to attaching a mine plow

in terms of artillery and drones that's down to the supporting assets to deal with

[spring briar]

🥭

[manic latch]

Mangooo

[spring briar]

Obsolete

[spring briar]

But funni

[manic latch]

Ye it's from 1985

Older than %98 of server

Rich

Show Leclercs round

[shrewd pecan]

it's ok it's better than the poor crews that end up with 3BM12

[manic latch]

A mango will still work against things like Leopard 1, M-55, Bradley etc anyway

Younger MBTS becomes problem for it

But given how rare tank vs tank engagements are now

I would bet tanks are %96 shooting HE

[shrewd pecan]

god if only US ground wasn't terminally shit

[manic latch]

Didn't lived up to hype in WT either

Engagements are too close

[shrewd pecan]

Never has one country done so much damage to gaming

[shrewd pecan]

No gaijin's missile physics for ATGMs just sucks

they had to bring back the old physics for swingfire because it was literally unplayable with the new physics

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

ATGM carriers pre new physics were already pain to play

still find it funny that we have numbers for the STRV-122's armor protection

Swedes just declassified all of these

[manic latch]

US: Abrams armor sekrit

People: Why

US: Stfu

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it makes sense to keep classified

[manic latch]

How do they test it during export trials

[shrewd pecan]

either simulations or shooting the damn thing

[manic latch]

Customer: What's the armor

US: No

[shrewd pecan]

there's pictures somewhere of a M1A2 hull being shot for the Swedish trials

[spring briar]

Confidential

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

idk it's a export M1A2 without DU so it's not really like the Swedish trials numbers are accurate for inservice M1A2s

[ivory ridge]

"turret pop" and it's just the turret moved some centimeters to the side

lol

[manic latch]

Yeah its a very heavy turret, even one that got destroyed by HESH round failed to tip it down hull

When British scuttled? it

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Woah

[manic latch]

case of blue-on-blue, another Challenger 2 fired a HESH round that hit the open commander's hatch lid of the tank

Oh it was friendly fire nvm

[ivory ridge]

im just saying it's

[shrewd pecan]

the Swedes did get a proposal for a special armor package that was suppose be on par with DU as shown with the "Svenskt Skydd" armor package

[ivory ridge]

not much of a pop

compared to the usual we are seeing

[manic latch]

Yeah as said

It's a very heavy turret

[ivory ridge]

and as i said

[spring briar]

Kremm

[ivory ridge]

that's not why it does that

[manic latch]

You know how Abrams lost her best armor potential because of 90s

[ivory ridge]

the soviet turrets have

several tons of era on them

lol

[shrewd pecan]

the best armor potential we would of had pre M1A2C was like M1 CATTB/Thumper getting turned into M1A3 under the abrams block III Program

[manic latch]

%35 more KE protection

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of modern abrams armor protection I have no fucking idea where the M1A2s at since it's a crapshoot trying to figure anything out

the hull having DU inserts or not is another example of a crapshoot since the original document saying only 5 hulls had DU was amended to allow for more hulls

[manic latch]

We don't even know if SepV3 use depleted uranium

[shrewd pecan]

combined with the Department of energy being listed as a supplier of components for hull production

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

only one we can say for sure has increased hull armor

[ivory ridge]

? sepv3 is like the only one we are certain uses it

[shrewd pecan]

we actually

don't know if it does or not

we just know the hull armor was increased

[ivory ridge]

oh right

[manic latch]

Yeah it just says increased protection

But no third generation DE quote

[shrewd pecan]

since anything regarding the abrams is just a crapshoot to figure out protection wise

[manic latch]

Doubt even crews know it

Nah likely not

[shrewd pecan]

for example the abrams spall liner being the tank equivalent of schrodinger's cat

[spring briar]

Leclerc uses baguettium inserts

[manic latch]

I think this is the trick

If turret has M it means DE

Or smh

[shrewd pecan]

can you guess which tank has a spall liner?

[manic latch]

Very obvious on Leo2

[shrewd pecan]

the one on the left

because apparently Leclerc also has one

[ivory ridge]

imho gaijin shouldve just ignored spall liners or just give it to literally everything

[manic latch]

We know Brad A2 has since its here mentioned

[ivory ridge]

top tier used to be "who shoots first wins"

now it's whoever doesnt have spall liner loses

and if both have them then faster reloads wins

[manic latch]

A6 model of Paladin has it

[shrewd pecan]

the T-80BVM basically already had one when they made half of its interior not spall

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

but eh I just gave up bothering with US ground

I just decided to enjoy life and Sweden max

[manic latch]

Latest STRV 122

[shrewd pecan]

strv-122s are so fun man

never had so many 10+ kill games in my life

it's crazy what happens when you don't get vaporized in one hit

[shrewd pecan]

still love that apparently M1 CATTB has a spall liner

[spring briar]

I wonder how current apfsds developments are

[spring briar]

How is it different from leopard 2’s

[shrewd pecan]

actual hull armor plus the advantage of being on Swedish teams

2A7V should have better hull armor than it does but gaijin pulled a gaijin as usual

[ivory ridge]

technically it's external add-on

[spring briar]

How’s the other last gen mbt’s in wt?

[shrewd pecan]

Leopard 2A4s pretty fun

same with the M1 and M1IP

[frozen kestrel]

So, my friend showed me the photo that he found on DeviantArt, and according to the poster, that ship is the Prinz Eugen, except the one thing that's fucking with me is the fact that the shape of Turrets Bruno and Caesar is wrong

So, anyone know what ship this is, because that ain't Prinz Eugen

Superstructure's similar. Don't know what's with the piloted torpedo launchers.

[ivory ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/tobinjstone/status/1740506864943571130

[eternal veldt]

Its a garbage piece of art that's been monotoned.

[strong plank]

Yea I was gonna say that looks fake as all hell

[eternal veldt]

This is what this person produces and charges a premium for it

Sorry, accidentally hit reply

The subsequent fix is somewhat "better", until you realise all these art pieces are basically rip off of photos

[frozen kestrel]

Thank you for verifying

[eternal veldt]

Some of them do not even bother to change the angle of directors

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

So yea, so much for "original art pieces"

[frozen kestrel]

How the fuck did they manage to make the turrets look flatter?

[eternal veldt]

And charging this fucking price

[spring briar]

Making a german turret any wider would require sponsons

[frozen kestrel]

Sorry, I ain't paying 950 pounds for a JPEG

[eternal veldt]

The whole proportion of the ship is generally squashed

Its no good

[frozen kestrel]

Yep...

[eternal veldt]

The "piloted" torpedo tubes are authentic, but added quite late as I recall

What is also a dead ringer for a fake is the "wackletopf" dome SL-8 radars you see just in front of the funnel - Eugen didn't receive her forward pair until late 1942 because the Germans sold hers off to the Soviets

[runic ermine]

Didn't japan have a kamikaze torpedo?

[eternal veldt]

That's Kaiten, not a success as I recall

That picture I posted is nothing more than an enclosure for the torpedo officer from the elements

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1740833133111488765

[manic latch]

Few

M829A4 is latest apfds of US

[spring briar]

😭

[manic latch]

Russia has VACUUM but uhh

Only Armata can fit it

Since other autoloader can do 3BM60 as best round they can put inside

[manic latch]

Sadly this is just a guess work

We just know it's stupidly long

Thus doesn't fit inside other autoloaders

Then there is the new 130mm APFDS of Rheinmetal

Who also needs autoloader because it's well stupidly long and much heavier

[spring briar]

Has armata testfires vacuum yet?

[manic latch]

Armata test fires but

They don't show you the projectiles

So no clue

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/DcJUHcfkHiY?si=jd0Gr4LZbC_zQMlZ

Sadly we can't see the projectile

[spring briar]

Could be standard ammo then

[manic latch]

Anything ye

Need super closed in slow shot camera to see projectiles

[frozen kestrel]

why does this give me Baldwin diesel loco vibes?

[runic ermine]

I heard it got increased side armor now

[tough quail]

why the hell are they using vants in this chart

Wut

[remote monolith]

reading out Tolkien's letters and found this entry

On October 23, 1944, Tolkien wrote this to Christopher in South Africa:

I have just been out to look up: the noise is terrific: the biggest for a long time, skywide Armada. I suppose it is allright to say so, as by the time that this reaches you somewhere will have ceased to exist and all the world will have known about it and already forgotten it.

and looking up what happened that day results in this

1,055 aircraft - 561 Lancasters, 463 Halifaxes, 31 Mosquitos - to Essen. This was the heaviest raid on this target so far in the war and the number of aircraft dispatched was also the greatest number to any target so far; these new records were achieved without the Lancasters of No 5 Group being included. 5 Lancasters and 3 Halifaxes were lost. 4,538 tons of bombs were dropped. More than 90 per cent of this tonnage was high explosive (and included 509 4,000-pounders) because it was now considered that most of the burnable buildings in Essen had been destroyed in earlier raids. The greater proportion of high explosive, against all the trends in earlier area-bombing raids, was now quite common in attacks on targets which had suffered major fire damage in 1943.

interesting that the route took them over Oxford

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740844113547895138

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1740878818490085413

[autumn sorrel]

Imagine all USN ship christened by their namesake signature alcohol

And for the one who name after fish, they use fish sauce

[junior trench]

... that's from an outsourced private study which didn't actually have access to the details of the armor composition

but par for the course from you I guess

[junior trench]

but this whole shitshow misses that visible spall liners/curtains/pads aren't the only way to protect against spalling, especially is you want a harder wearing surface presented to the none too gentle conditions inside a tank

namely that you can do things like sandwich, via adhesive and mechanical pressure, high tensile strength materials, such as kevlar, between the back of the armor array and a thin ductile plate of steel or aluminum, which protects materials like kevlar from moisture and exposure

when a round passes through the armor array and then through the backing layer, both layers help to catch spall, while the adhesion of the flexible layer combined with the ductile nature of the backing plate prevents the thin ductile backing plate from producing spall itself

not that thin ductile plates are known for producing spall in the first place

[manic latch]

Upon seeing this Iowa farmer during his visit, Khrushchev patted his belly, exclaiming, “Now there’s a real American!” 1959.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741151510853996863

[autumn sorrel]

Khrushchev... is weird

[autumn sorrel]

Which IJN ship have torpedo casemate and how was their effectiveness?

[grave ravine]

Furutaka, Aoba, and Myoko classes had the fixed torpedo tubes in the hull, but they were all replaced with normal quad Long Lance mounts during modernizations in the 30s

The fixed tubes were theoretically better protected, and it was lower weight, but in practice aiming torpedoes solely gyroscopically was difficult, and these were older normal torps rather than oxygen torps

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741195153170104708

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8fekRn73dw

[spring briar]

[runic ermine]

Belgium put up a good fight but they were outmaned, outgunned and outmatched

[vivid fiber]

Scam?

[spring briar]

@hybrid sparrow

[hybrid sparrow]

i got it

[spring briar]

[vivid fiber]

Was that a scam?

[hybrid sparrow]

No it was santa

he was late with your gifts

sorry had to kill him

[vivid fiber]

Gotcha

[runic ermine]

One thing I remember hearing is that most countries' main rifle in ww2 was just an upgraded version over their main rifle in ww1

Some exceptions I know of are:
US: Springfield -> M1 Garand
France: Lebel -> MAS-36
China: Hanyang 88 -> Type 24

However the later rifles were used in both wars

And both the lebel and Hanyang 88 were used more because of how there weren't enough mas-36s in France's case and not enough Type 24 rifles in China's case

[autumn sorrel]

Everyone want self loading rifle, Soviet try first with AVS-36 and SVT/38 then with simpler and easier to produce and maintain SVT family. Problem is never enough gun to equip mass of Soviet Conscripts with the realization that automatic weapon like LMG and SMG play a more important role, couple with Soviet Arms industry inefficient meaning that self loading rifle numbers was never meet the table of equipment requirements.

[shrewd pecan]

M829A3 is pretty funny

[autumn sorrel]

Long bois

[spring briar]

Yeee

Short mangoo

[desert agate]

pre rebuild akagi actually looks better than post rebuild imo

[runic ermine]

Italy had the Armaguerra Mod. 39 rifle however only ~500 were made

And Japan had the Type Hei Rifle. Only 50 were made

[ivory ridge]

Desert camo Centauro 2 😳
https://fxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1741478222057939203?t=ujcujH-DKa6TKADtPhaJIw&s=19

[junior trench]

the skill issue segmented rod

[spring briar]

Super short

[eternal veldt]

it looks better because the hangar isn't extended yet to look like a shoebox glued to a ship hull.

[spring briar]

And tungsten

Painge

[rapid junco]

Someday you'll probably see it on jungle camo

[cinder escarp]

Mango is a really clever solution for industrial issues with making long monobloc rounds.

[spring briar]

I suppose this industrial issue was resolved by the next generation

[cinder escarp]

Sort of? Lekalo and Svinets never went into volume production.

Eventually Svinets-1/2 did, in the 2010s.

[spring briar]

Damn

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJV865aqEBU

[rapid junco]

@ivory ridge

[ivory ridge]

Plon

[rapid junco]

The Sparviero is the star of the pic

Alongside the Weihe on the background

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1741443070942454187
https://fxtwitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1741443073366708546

[merry summit]

Unholy picture of Essex.

[frozen kestrel]

Anyone know what specific shade of grey Bismarck was painted?

[eternal veldt]

Depends on what time you're looking for.

[frozen kestrel]

Rheinübung

[eternal veldt]

two toned grey.

[frozen kestrel]

You can just faintly see where the baltic stripes got painted over on the second one

[eternal veldt]

Yes, because the paint isn't cured yet.

[frozen kestrel]

So, is this accurate? (Don't ask what happened to the shadows, I don't have any idea either)

[eternal veldt]

paint wise? Bismarck had a darker turret top.

[frozen kestrel]

I'm guessing the dark tops would be RAL 7024?

[ivory ridge]

Centauro 2 with the Guarani camo

i think we got a model of that when the competition was still going on

yeah

[frozen kestrel]

So, I added the colorations for Turret Anton, the guns, and the superstructure beneath both turrets. Everything look accurate so far?

[gleaming cipher]

She’s done!!!

[wintry moat]

Nice

Cobi Iowa?

[sweet forum]

hi!!, anyone still alive?

[alpine onyx]

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741507058032103785

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741572720796582297

[night heart]

happy nrew year man

[spiral cedar]

I live

Or do I?

Today in truly astounding naval history takes

https://historyfirst.com/hms-hood-sunk-by-mechanical-failure-not-bismarck

[autumn sorrel]

"Metal fatigue"

Yeah, I bet a 15inch shell does apply a lot of pressure on the armor

[spring briar]

[nocturne bear]

The USS Marias was a cimatron-clads fleet oiler that served for most of world war 2 and nom receiving 8 battle stars (WW2)
And 1 campaign star(nom)
Loaded with

1 X5 130 mm/ 38cal gun
4x3 76mm/50cal guns
And 2 40 and 20 cal as guns

She was loved by her crew and treated as the little sister ship by many she campaigned with (Guam, Titian, san diago)

Note from my grandfather who served on her for her entire campaign as an engineer and gunner
" She was a feisty one didn't like cold morning start ups so we had to keep her idle all night even when harbored" "
her forward as gun used to get stuck to the starboard after firing a few times could never figure out why but a few smacks with a wrench got it moving again."
" Idk about other oilers in the campaign but the Marius was rigged to blow if ever captured or boarded by more then a few men since she was a oiler, "can't have the redacted getting all this fuel" never had to sink her early thankfully"

I hope since we got Guam recently the Marius might get added to AL soon since I never got to finish making the Marius model with him before he passed and my grandmother destroyed it in grief

🫡

[frozen kestrel]

Were the ladders on the sides of the turrets painted, or no?

[frozen kestrel]

All of the main turrets have been finished, alongside some bits of the superstructure are done (Yes, that is a model of Tirpitz that I'm converting to Bismarck)

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741915255440122350

[frozen kestrel]

What color was Bismarck's funnel cap (RAL code, if possible)?

[autumn sorrel]

What is the feasibility of turning 5’/38 into a tank gun?

[runic ermine]

Image?

[strong plank]

5' is 127mm

on paper it's possible, but using the 5'38 in particular probably wouldn't yield ideal results compared to just developing a dedicated 127mm

[runic ermine]

Yeah

[thick scarab]

The funnel cap as in top of the funnel? Naval standard grey you see a long the citadel

[frozen kestrel]

Most of the superstructure and masts are now done. I plan on converting the teak deck to the same shader as the others (that makes it look like it glows in the dark.)

Any recommendations for colorations? (Trying to keep it as historically accurate as possible with the paint scheme)

[autumn sorrel]

What about 5’ shell? How do they fare against tank?

[strong plank]

@spring briar can almost certainly answer that better than I can

[ivory ridge]

i mean they are

quite big

just a bit bigger than an IS-2 gun

[strong plank]

yeah but in terms of how a 5' naval shell performs vs your standard APFSDS

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, compare to Soviet 122mm and German 128mm then

[manic latch]

Object 103 was developed on the basis of the T-100 heavy tank as a "heavy tank for coastal defence" by the design bureau of Zavod 185 under lead engineer Shufrin. The tank was designed to destroy pillboxes and ships, and was thus to be armed with a 130 mm/50 B-13 naval gun(Gnevny/Tashkent/Ognevoi) in a fully rotating turret. A wooden model of the Object 103 existed, but the project was not developed beyond the drawing board.

@autumn sorrel Also this tank in Wot has the Naval 127mm/54

Which was basically better 127mm/38

[ivory ridge]

iirc the italian heavy in WOT also has a repurposes naval 127

la creatura

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/la-creatura-dog-angry-mad-gif-16725854

[ivory ridge]

still surprised they went with an heavy line instead of a light one

like france has a fake EBR at t10

just put one of the Centauro prototypes

kekw

[spring briar]

One issue

Italy

[maiden citrus]

you should try playing italy

[ivory ridge]

so true

[ivory ridge]

rare spanishavenger W meme

[spring briar]

This is wargaming we’re talking about

[thick scarab]

I mean it is historically accurate, not seeing unrealistic camo designs like Ars Nova

That being said.. Ars Nova do be hot though

[slender dawn]

I thought this was history

[frozen kestrel]

Aight, so next up is the FuMO radar sets. Should those be colored the same dark grey as the turret roofs (RAL No. 7024)?

[frozen kestrel]

I also realize there are some glaring differences between Bismarck and Tirpitz, and I plan on trying to rectify them, at least on this model. If you guys could point out the most problematic ones, I'd be most appreciative.

[wintry moat]

That is so cool dude

[frozen kestrel]

Thanks. I hope to finish it soon.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1741965170518151519

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1742217090977734714

[runic ermine]

marvelous job on that model

[frozen kestrel]

The only thing I can take credit for is the new textures and edits to the model, as the original model was one on BlendSwap

[manic latch]

Ww2 1946 according to some people

https://youtu.be/6l9pyaRaJ5A?si=p7Tdg3GJL0LTXIvk

[maiden citrus]

my favorite kind of plane, the rammer

[desert agate]

interestingly it is

[runic ermine]

It is

[frozen kestrel]

Fixed the bridge wing things

[solid mango]

Chat

Hear me out

Giang stfu

[autumn sorrel]

What the point of turret if you can't even rotate it properly

[autumn sorrel]

I am cooking you rn

Hmm, I would ditch the turret, add side sponsor auto cannon instead, add more smoke launcher and put them on top

[solid mango]

I wish death upon you via Ajax feet

[strong plank]

can that even turn

[autumn sorrel]

Like a monocycle, you just need to lean to change course

[desert agate]

Do not threaten those you wish to attack with a good time

[solid mango]

Okay you get Ajax feet, he gets Kancolle voicelines for until he dies

[autumn sorrel]

You want me to bore to death?

[solid mango]

Yes

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FScZLjCNYc8

[thick scarab]

"Ram that Tu-95." - some RCAF Ground Control operator maybe

[desert agate]

@spring briar

Naked AP shell

[spring briar]

Sheeells

[glass trail]

spoiler pls

nsfw

youre gonna turn richy on

[runic ermine]

I mean the IS-2 had a 122mm gun and the King Tiger had an 88mm gun

[spring briar]

Yeah but one had pretty mid shells and the other had very effective shells

There is definitely an argument to be made for both.

[manic latch]

@spring briar

Leningrad Mechanical plant APFDS museum

[tough quail]

ones dramatically better at HE, which is what actually matters for tanks

if you want a tank jousting rod just shove the D-10T in instead

but they didn't, which is why the IS series never bothered phasing it out

[spring briar]

All I’m saying is that the long 88 is a really good tank killer for its day

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

Charlemagne: Become Christian already, I destroyed your most holy pagan object

Saxons: No

Charlemagne:

[gleaming cipher]

Yammy model done :]

[runic ermine]

true

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdeNnroG_7I

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1sMHQT6nWc

[frozen kestrel]

So, these things on the sides of Bismarck's superstructure, are they collapsible or something?

Also tried experimenting with the shader, and now the superstructure's got a bit of gloss, like it's wet.

[jagged monolith]

The 132nd birthday of Prof. Tolkien.

[runic ermine]

Nice

[manic latch]

Look at SS of Soyuz

She also has those wing bridges

God i miss her

[frozen kestrel]

Were the ladders painted dark grey like the turret roofs or no? (I want to be as historically accurate as I can with this, even if it's only for one render)

[lost granite]

Tonk

[solid mango]

Look at SS of Clev

She also has those wing bridges

Wtf discord let me send

[strong mountain]

No

https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck_class/bismarck/bismarck_menu.html
Check under "Paint Schemes"

[oak harness]

Can I ask a favor of the folks here? I'm trying to track down instances of ships being referred to as 'He' rather than 'She'. The more specifc the better.

[strong mountain]

Language specific, if your thinking of Germany its always she.

[oak harness]

I'm thinking Anywhere. Preferably specific as in specific ships and or ship classes and or categories of ship (warship, auxiliary, civilian etc..) and not, "I think Russians did it..." (an answer I actually received on another discord and Yes I Know that Bismark was actually historically called She except for one and only one weirdo of an Admiral named Lütjens please don't ping me about that kthx.)

[spiral cedar]

For some languages it's dependent on the linguistic gender of the namesake. I recall Russian and French being this way. English and German use either female or neuter pronouns. I've been told Italian uses male or female depending on military vs. civilian vessels.

[oak harness]

Okay...

Anything more specific?

[strong mountain]

I can only really talk about the german side.
Its Die Bismarck which is feminine or Das Schlachtschiff Bismarck which is neutral.
The french by cursory research use the article Le which is masculine but is Not really a definite indication of what the sailors aboard viewed the ship as

[remote monolith]

beyond Europe, I can say that pretty much every major East Asian languages doesn't use any gender nouns for ships

[oak harness]

I've been told Italian uses male or female depending on military vs. civilian vessels. So, which is which for the Italians?

[spiral cedar]

In 1886 a new set of CGT-liners entered service. They were the La Champagne, La Bourgogne, La Gascoigne and La Bretagne. These four vessels were to be teamed with the Normandie. As a consequence, French Line wanted the Normandie’s name changed so it would fit in with the others. The prefix ‘La’ was added to the name. Many people thought it strange to add ‘La’ instead of ‘Le’. After all, ships are of masculine gender in France. But as countries and provinces are of feminine gender, the French Academy persuaded CGT to give the ship the name La Normandie.

[remote monolith]

I'd argue that you should limit your quarry to any languages from a common Proto-Indo-European roots

[strong mountain]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Guerrière
Theres also this idk

[spiral cedar]

Eventually the French company advised dropping the "le" and "la" entirely, so just "Normandie"

[oak harness]

....I'm... not sure how to better explain what I'm looking for. I'm not particularly interested in this from a linguistic standpoint. I'm looking at this from moreof a 'Gender as a cultural construct, as applied to personified objects' kinda angle.

[remote monolith]

then you'll still need to only look in European languages. I doubt you'll get anything out of Africa and Asia because most of the records for people assigning gender pronouns to ships is from Europe because those are the ones with actual gender nouns in their verb

[oak harness]

...okay.

[remote monolith]

I suppose you can argue that how Japan anthropomorphize their ships as females since the late 19th century is an example of what you want

[oak harness]

....sigh ...

Yes but who has the Boy boats?

[strong plank]

Yeah the only example I can think of is Bismarck

[remote monolith]

don't ask me, I'm just trying to help you limit your search

[strong plank]

such a powerful ship can only be male
dies on first deployment

[oak harness]

And that's not really a real example.

[remote monolith]

the only example I know is just the weirdo commanding Bismarck

and that ones arguably more rooted at misogyny than anything else

[oak harness]

I appreciate the attempt, but really what you've given me is narrowing down a search pattern from all the bodies of water on the planet to just the major oceans.

[strong plank]

more just typically Nazi propaganda shit

[remote monolith]

welp time to get working for you then

[remote monolith]

nah from what I saw he's a weirdo even among other German sailors for that

[strong mountain]

https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/names-ancient-greek-ships/
Did find this

[oak harness]

I came here because my first attempts to find what I'm looking for on my own is pages of stuff complaining about 'Woke' Navies asking their ships what their preferred pronouns are... I'm... not entirely certain if these were satire or not.

[oak harness]

A bit too far beyond scope I'm afraid.

[remote monolith]

..... ah. I see

[spiral cedar]

Can you give an imaginary example of what you're looking for?

[oak harness]

Like... what-if a ship or boat received a 'gender-change' going from a naval/national registry where it was acknowledged as male to a new naval/national registery (taken a prize, lend-lease, sold as surplus etc...) where such vessels were considered female.

[autumn sorrel]

So you mean, a "trans" ship?

[oak harness]

Yes.

Exactly that.

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, French ship sold to Greece get their name change can count

But that is a stretch

[oak harness]

I didn't initially think that finding a ship or pool of ships that were 'male-coded' by linguistic or cultural convention would be this difficult.

[manic latch]

Its a weird for Russian

For example

Sovetsky is masculine
Sovetskaya is feminine

So Sovetsky Soyuz is masculine
Sovetskaya Belorussiya is feminine

[autumn sorrel]

Soviet Navy specifically use male pronoun for ship, wasn't it?

[manic latch]

Never fan of gender assigning object debates tbh

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, that's too

[oak harness]

My dude, you're on a discord server dedicated to a vidya game about Ship-girls.

[manic latch]

Name a male shipgirl

[oak harness]

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO!!

[autumn sorrel]

Belorussiya, white russian daughter

[manic latch]

You can't indeed

It's a shipgirl game

Girls

[oak harness]

hides the milk and vodka.

[oak harness]

Ship-girls. Objects assigned Gender.

[manic latch]

Yes you know why

Cuz they look like girls

That's why female statues are called female

When they look like females

[oak harness]

...

They look like girls, because they're ships that have been personified as girls.

What are you on about?

[autumn sorrel]

You both are arguing over dumb stuff, post warship instead

[oak harness]

Surely somewhere, somewhen, something... some lowly little minesweeper or something... was out there whose crew looked upon it and said, "My Dude." Surely this isn't a unique concept.

[strong mountain]

Ships are female because they are intended to be filled with Seamen

[autumn sorrel]

Horni sailor will literally call anything female