She was the reason the Iowa was first deployed to the Atlantic before the Pacific
#history
frozen kestrel
remote monolith
new Mosasaur just dropped
https://www.sci.news/paleontology/jormungandr-walhallaensis-12405.html
not the biggest, but still an impressive specimen at some 20 feet
somber knoll
new Mosasaur just dropped
https://www.sci.news/paleontology/jormungandr-walhall...
the name would have been more fitting if the fossil was discovered off the coast of Norway 
cosmic oar
https://fxtwitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1719045276844146912
Damn
remote monolith
the name would have been more fitting if the fossil was discovered off the coast...
Unfortunately this guy is found off the side of the road in an American town
somber knoll
Inland?
IIRC the location is part of the Pierre Shale formation, formed from Western Interior Seaway which splat North America into two separate landmass
somber knoll
Unfortunately this guy is found off the side of the road in an American town
huh, the town name is Walhalla, ND. makes sense
clear scroll
Hmmm
remote monolith
Inland?
Much of the middle part of America was part of the Western Interior Seaway. The many sedimentation that occured here from the formation of the rockies helped preserve many Laramidian fauna, contrasting Appalachia, the continent on the right where the lack of mountain formatiom caused a massive dearth of fossil preservation so we don't know as much from the eastern side of America
somber knoll
No wonder the East Coast got roasted all the time over West Coast. That tradition has been going on fine for millions of years
remote monolith
Ah funny, Deinosuchus is one od the few animals we know through reasonable remains from Appalachia
manic latch
Too Overpowered for Europe to handle
remote monolith
The genus was extremely widespread throughout both east and west coast
There's key differences between Laramidiam and Appalachian specimens tho
The former is much larger,but rarer
The latter is smaller but more abundant
Appalachian Deinosuchus in particular was considered to be "only" saltwater crocodile sized
Still huge however
Now in Laramidia, they get up to twice that size
manic latch
Appalachian Deinosuchus in particular was considered to be "only" saltwater croc...
Saltwater is around 6 meter ye
Chad Deins are 10
remote monolith
Deinosuchus is also limited to the southern ranges of the Seaway, with no known specimen from more northerly areas like Canada
manic latch
@tough quail Svyatogor is the giant-warrior in Russian mythology and folklore. His name is a derivation from the words “sacred mountain”. He and his mighty steed are so large that, when they ride forth, the crest of his helmet sweeps away the clouds. He was the last of the giants, and there are two stories of how he ended his life
manic latch
I wanna know where he got that horse.
As for what happened to horse
The story of Svyatogor’s passing away appears as an episode in the larger tale of Ilya Muromets, Russia’s greatest hero-warrior. Having heard of the giant’s strength, Muromets comes to challenge him, despite being forewarned not to do so by pilgrims who had miraculously healed him. On the road, Ilya Muromets sees a giant asleep on a giant horse. Ilya decides to strike him with his mace. The first time the giant does not even flinch. Ilya then decides to strike again, and again the giant did not flinch. The third time Ilya struck, however, the giant jerked upright in his saddle. Seeing who had hit him, he deftly picked Ilya up by the hair and dropped him into his pouch.
Some time later, Sviatogor’s horse stumbled and complained that carrying two knights was too much, even for him. Svyatogor took Ilya out of his pouch, and seeing that he was a knight of Holz Russia, suggested that the two of them ride together as brothers. This they did for many days until they came to a huge stone coffin lying beside a tree.
Ilya leaped off his horse and laid down in the coffin. It was too large for him, but if fit Svyatogor perfectly. Even though Ilyia Muromets pleaded with him not to put the lid on, Svyatogor did not listen. However, when he asked Ilya to remove the lid, Ilya found it far too heavy. Three times he hit it with his mace, but each time he hit it a steel band closed around the coffin, securing the lid.
Svyatogor blew some of his strength into Ilya so that he could use the giant’s own sword; but this just made matters worse, for now two steel bands closed around the coffin every time it was hit with the sword. Resigning himself to his fate, Sviatogor had Ilya tie his horse to a tree to die right beside its master. Ilya sadly rode away from the coffin, knowing that Sviatogor, the last of the giants, would shortly be no more.
So it was likely the last giant horse like Svyatogor was the last giant
warm finch
Slavic folklore is wild.
manic latch
Just saying
Pegasus was born from beheaded neck of Medusa
tough quail
manic latch
<:pensive_cowboy:586490190936277022>
Have this banger art of Svyatogor
tough quail
Oh god no they made pixy polish
silver crest
Pope Pius XII got that drip tho ngl 🥶
frozen kestrel
what in the Stargate SG-1 fuck-
naive rampart
We lost a real one lads
runic prairie
We lost a real one lads
Circumcised
last lance
There is a documentary film on YouTube about this POLISH concept
shrewd pecan
mystic hinge
MiGs
desert agate
How observant
supple sandal
Shit like this happened too often throughout history
Did anyone ever "that kid is 5" the fuck with the opposition?
I mean civil war
somber knoll
Shit like this happened too often throughout history
it do be happen like that sometimes
China also did that back in the early 20th century with Pu Yi, back then still a 8-year-old kid.
remote monolith
tbf child regencies isn't exactly a new concept for monarchies
Puyi just so happens to be in exactly the wrong time for that to happen
desert agate
somber knoll
Puyi just so happens to be in exactly the wrong time for that to happen
yeh.
didn't help that certain doctor kinda overused his trust to help him unify the wartorn state.
shrewd pecan
remote monolith
yeh.
didn't help that certain doctor kinda overused his trust to help him unify...
abd that Puyi was horrendously underequipped to become a leader
spring briar
Leduc!
remote monolith
I do wonder, do you guys think Puyi deserves pity? Or did he had everything that went wrong to him coming from a mile away thanks to his decidedly bad personality and abilities
fierce sparrow
Since I'm a sucker for flags, while I was researching and doing some editting.
I forgot that just like the United States and their godawful state flags.
The Philippines did the same thing, but worse... a lot worse.
manic latch
Didn't knew you were from Philippines
fierce sparrow
I know nothing about the Philippines, other than ofcourse WW2 stuff(Pacific Theater) and full of dead warships...
Sorry
rapid junco
Puyi just so happens to be in exactly the wrong time for that to happen
Ah, we had one of those as well kek
In 1831
Dom Pedro I abdicated, because of so much things going wrong
Especially rivalry between the politicians of the spectrum
Economics crisis
The result of the Cisplatine war
Thing is
His son
Also named Pedro
Was only 5 at the time
So it started a regency period from 1831
And that was supposed to end in 1844, when Pedro II reached adulthood
It was a chaotic period to Brazil as an empire
With various uprisings around the country
And would end in 1840, with the so called "Coup of majority"
When Pedro II was finally able to take the throne
As a 14 year old
Regency had two 3 men juntas
Followed by two single men regents
And also this happened in Portugal
And involves the both nations the houses were the same
supple sandal
I can't help but imagining if Imperial China still exists today.
More tea and less censorship maybe
Or opium
wintry moat
What is this?
runic prairie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leduc_022
Not even a turbojet, a goddamn ramjet.
autumn sorrel
Shit like this happened too often throughout history
And both father and son are one of the few Nguyen monarch that isn’t actively shit on nowadays
supple sandal
I mean you really can't do anything as the monarch in that position
Well there are some attempts
But too little too late and the French is annoying
autumn sorrel
Aye, royalist attempt at fighting back is really ineffective, only one marginally come close as a threat is Prince Cuong De and only bc he partner with the Japanese
I mean, if you want to trace to the cause, the one to blame would be Minh Mang
He expanded the territory of Vietnam that most during his reign but was due to his countless war of conquest that drain the treasury and depleted the fighting strength of the army
Minh Mang success not bc he a great king or anything but thanks to his father years of building up
And under Minh Mang, there were the most amount of peasant uprisings due to tax and draft
Minh Mang is a fucking megalomaniac that erode the nation strength for his own personal glory
And the funniest thing is that all of his territory gain is unstable and immediately lost after decades of fighting local rebel
A reason why western reform were never seriously implemented or discussed about is bc there literally no money in the treasury to do it
By the time of Tu Duc, Vietnam was so vulnerable that only thanks to French overstretched in other place that they didn’t eat up the entire country right then and there
somber knoll
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1719878104254931147
Chicago II when
somber knoll
More tea and less censorship maybe
Tho considering Brur Pu Yi didn't exactly get top notch education I kinda expect it to be a bit less and just let his PM do most of his work (or in other words, Yat Sen would have a lot more to do than just subduing the Northern Warlords).
I figure they would have a similar governmental structure as modern Japan, except with even more leeway than Japan did.
That assumes Mao never got the CCP into power (though I figure he might do some sort of a emergency military junta post WW2 before restoring it back to the Emperor).
somber knoll
I do wonder, do you guys think Puyi deserves pity? Or did he had everything that...
For me, one of the main reasons why he got into what he was later on was thanks to the aggressive movement his mom did before, so he kinda got it coming.
tho I figured it would be different if they just let him be and study until he could figure out that managing a rapidly declining nation is not just flaying around giving orders.
subtle prawn
https://fxtwitter.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1720233286293651750
https://fxtwitter.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1720234849338896713
remote monolith
oh damn holy shit
https://vxtwitter.com/DJSnM/status/1719952009095447004?t=gvH5bWt2t3QAMX0zm_haAA&s=19
very strong proof for Theia
maiden citrus
makes sense really
silver crest
if i had a cent for every time a person was thrown out of a window during an arguement in Prague, I would have 3 cents which isn't a lot but it is interesting that it has happened three times
probably one of my favourite wiki pages rn
there's a specific term for throwing someone out of a window 
manic latch
desert agate
Big talk from the country that fought in Manila Bay
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
Big talk from the country that fought in Manila Bay
With the same ship
supple sandal
2 plane that are probably immortal
This and the B-52
runic ermine
if i had a cent for every time a person was thrown out of a window during an arg...
lmao
subtle prawn
old rune
shrewd pecan
mystic hinge
Imagine you stand in the tip of that bow. Feels like a Pirate
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
rapid junco
maiden citrus
can't believe his wingman would turn on him like that
haughty mountain
hey bro do you know what this is and its function?
is this some kind of tank trunk or what?
and why only few German Panzer have this
desert agate
its a storage bin for personnel effects like sleeping bags, tarps and whatever else the crew may need
pretty much all tanks had them, but theyd often be in different locations
on the turret was quite common, the panther had its bins on the rear of the tank
god forbid your tank end up in some mud with your sleeping bag in there though
haughty mountain
on the turret was quite common, the panther had its bins on the rear of the tank
oh I just found out I that panther has that too
desert agate
panzer 2 would have its bins above the tracks and on the engine deck, and some later versions would also have a bustle rack
haughty mountain
Ok bro thank you👍
grave ravine
Also if you look at footage of tanks, they often just have shit stuck all over them
Take for example these Shermans
desert agate
on the turret was quite common, the panther had its bins on the rear of the tank
tiger 2 had storage bins in the same spot, but on both panther and tiger 2, i find it hard to believe all crew effects could fit in them, which sucks for the crew because that means they need to keep stuff in the fighting compartment, where it can get in the way
junior trench
Big talk from the country that fought in Manila Bay
Parroting that myth, huh.
It wasn't "15 rounds left per gun". It was "15 rounds fired per guns".
A captains' conference on the Olympia revealed little damage and no men killed. It was discovered that the original ammunition message had been garbled—instead of only 15 rounds of ammunition per gun remaining, the message had meant to say only 15 rounds of ammunition per gun had been expended.
spring briar
it's a propaganda picture
let's keep it at that
manic latch
Bruh
autumn sorrel
shells are great
Hmm, what is contemporary French shell storage method?
spring briar
shelves
spring briar
mhm
in shelves yes
with the back of the shell pointing towards the inside of the turret
autumn sorrel
naive rampart
https://nautiluslive.org They are diving I-401 now
zealous vine
How often were destroyers cut in half by a torp
rapid junco
spring briar
deep apex
How often were destroyers cut in half by a torp
Yes
somber knoll
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1720879777014264085
Nimitz with the roasts never gets old
strong plank
We lost a real one lads
A damn shame too
My dad did FME training on her when he was in the navy
spiral cedar
zealous vine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586216580463984650/1170549534452105319/16...
I assume the middle battleship has sheets covering the turrets and not 2 flight decks right..?
zealous vine
Most ships had them
Thanks, I admit, I am not bright 
On another topic, other than in operation torch, are there any other good examples of battleship shell damage on destroyers?
alpine onyx
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau vs Acasta and Ardent
spring briar
On another topic, other than in operation torch, are there any other good exampl...
USS Massachussets vs French DD’s in port at Casablanca
autumn sorrel
Wat?
zealous vine
Wat?
sorry, I was commenting on how this was suppose to be Gibbs and Cox's Design B's what-if history after being exported to Russia
autumn sorrel
sorry, I was commenting on how this was suppose to be Gibbs and Cox's Design B's...
I know, I just surprise that they give it to the Soviet
manic latch
They now have Kearsarge with a tint of red
I wish it had Soyuz guns instead Lenin guns
But it's ok
craggy kiln
You guys should be glad we invent nothing 😎
spring briar
manic latch
You guys should be glad we invent nothing 😎
Microwave Communication: The first public demonstration of microwave transmission was made by Jagadish Chandra Bose, in Calcutta, in 1895, two years before a similar demonstration by Marconi in England, and just a year after Oliver Lodge's commemorative lecture on Radio communication, following Hertz's death
autumn sorrel
You guys should be glad we invent nothing 😎
Steel making technique, Buddhism, "0",....
I would hardly call them have nothing
I mean, you could criticize the caste system that held the country back but there were time when idea coming out of India
craggy kiln
You just mention what I mean by nothing
spring briar
yeah but
the concept of zero is probably from mesopothamia
autumn sorrel
And didn't capitalism wasn't a school of thought and more like a economic system?
burnt cloud
chilly osprey
And didn't capitalism wasn't a school of thought and more like a economic system...
Pretty much, yeah. The term honestly is a pretty bad one for describing the system that people usually mean when they talk about capitalism, too. The system itself stretches back at least as far as the middle ages, and developed in the Medieval period.
remote monolith
You guys should be glad we invent nothing 😎
eeeeh pretty terrible meme considering the arabic numerals for one were literally adapted from Indian usages
so mathematics became vastly easier
rotund yarrow
https://fxtwitter.com/DocStrangelove2/status/1721181072233271346
That does not look right. How would I put it? Un-bullpup?
shrewd pecan
craggy kiln
frozen kestrel
This is why you don't piss off the welders on the base
In all seriousness though, how in the actual fuck did they manage this
like, I am genuinely curious. I can see the weld spots, but... still.
fierce sparrow
dusk prairie
Visited a piece of history today.
fierce sparrow
manic latch
@tough quail Fren
frozen kestrel
It looks like it's asserting dominance
frozen kestrel
Visited a piece of history today.
I really want to get one of those medallions now
manic latch
Tsar Nicholas II and King George V
subtle prawn
maiden citrus
what a beautiful lineup
desert agate
https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721790800768692468?s=20 https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721796287375524243?s=20 https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721788182524784676?s=20 https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721703273923744064?s=20
https://fxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721700474783691048?t=IS87B0BaQ6ouy2zNlm_T8Q&s=19
https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721776253592801571?s=20
autumn sorrel
https://fxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721700474783691048?t=IS87B0BaQ6ouy2zNlm...
Swapable module?
desert agate
No
autumn sorrel
So either, more VLS or better mission capability?
desert agate
The mission payload bay can be configured for multiple purposes, so replacing it with more VLS makes the ships considerably less versatile
autumn sorrel
I see 2 more quad launcher on the VLS option, more Harpoon or is that chaff launcher?
desert agate
HADR is pretty much a non starter for a mission profile for this concept, and ASW missions won't be as efficient with only a single helicopter
desert agate
I see 2 more quad launcher on the VLS option, more Harpoon or is that chaff laun...
NSM
autumn sorrel
Ah, the Norway one
autumn sorrel
HADR is pretty much a non starter for a mission profile for this concept, and AS...
Oh, that remind me, ADF rely on heli launched torp for ASW?
I am more familiar with Soviet and Russian ASW system, not much about NATO ones
median osprey
Tsar Nicholas II and King George V
Jesus Christ. No wonder why they are related
desert agate
Oh, that remind me, ADF rely on heli launched torp for ASW?
yes, MH-60Rs can deploy sonobuoys and a mk54 ASW torpedo
ASW torpedos can also be deployed from surface units, which can deploy towed sonar arrays
zealous vine
How did sonar perform during ww2?
Were they actually used to detect torps?
autumn sorrel
ASW torpedos can also be deployed from surface units, which can deploy towed son...
No ASROC?
desert agate
RAN doesnt use ASROC
at the time ASROC was hot shit, we had our own indigenously developed ASW missile, which was better in most respects
and in the time since Ikara was retired, RAN has deemed it best to keep hostile subs as far away as possible, negating the usefulness of such a system
ASROC isnt even in service with most peer fleets anymore anyway
autumn sorrel
chilly osprey
Modern equivalent is VL-ASROC
Though that kind of got screwed by coming out as the Cold War ended, like MILAS, it's European counterpart
The USN bought some, but the Japanese actually ended up as the largest customer until their domestic equivalent, Type 07, entered service.
Apparently there's still some in production, though idk who for.
There's a project to get a modern replacement but it's on the super back burner for the USN, as it just isn't especially high priority.
rotund yarrow
<@84008086733324288> Fren
Is that museum closed to foreigners?
Bc I’ve been dying to see the Su-47
dusk prairie
I completely forgot that I came across this during my visit to Mikasa.
unborn wyvern
subtle prawn
wintry moat
Rare Chieftain shitpost
subtle prawn
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/11/07/us-air-force-may-remove-105mm-cannon-from-ac-130-gunship/
fierce sparrow
lime scarab
Hello people how is it going
supple shore
did any of laffey's naval soldier crews actually got posioned from the torpedo juices they made?
desert agate
Wasn't a particularly common practice in the surface fleet afaik
Was more a submarine thing
eternal veldt
Could be worse
Archerfish's crew cooking up some booze in a Hawaii'an toilet and proceeding to explode it
somber knoll
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/11/07/us-air-force-may-remove-105mm-cannon-...
The day USAF removes the howitzer from the AC-130 is the day I will weep from the lack of boom
remote monolith
remote monolith
not....really?
B. latifrons is still extant in the form of the modern Bison
they're directly related to each other since the modern Bison is literally B. latifrons that adapted to changing climates around North America
besides Bisons are small compared to many other animals so I don't see why they're "too large" to survive
B. latifrons was after all contemporary with proboscidae like M. primigenius
manic latch
Scientists: Seems oxygen rise earlier than we knew
People: what happens now
Scientists: Dunno
remote monolith
oh right, some giant Jurassic lampreys were discovered https://www.sci.news/paleontology/jurassic-lampreys-12419.html
The two new lamprey species, Yanliaomyzon occisor and Yanliaomyzon ingensdentes, lived during the Jurassic period, between 163 and 158.5 million years ago, and were part of the Yanliao Biota.
Yanliaomyzon occisor was around 64 cm (25 inches) long, making it the largest fossil lamprey ever found.
These fossil lampreys were exquisitely preserved with a complete suite of feeding structures, including the well-developed movable biting plates on the tongue-like piston.
manic latch
Succ
autumn sorrel
oh right, some giant Jurassic lampreys were discovered https://www.sci.news/pale...
Great, I have new image in my nightmare now
somber knoll
S U C C
manic latch
manic latch
autumn sorrel
https://maritime-executive.com/article/colombia-speeds-up-plan-to-raise-holy-gra...
They really want the gold huh?
manic latch
They really want the gold huh?
All the Soyuz skins i can buy for 20 billion$
No, I can buy a %100 replica of irl Soyuz
autumn sorrel
No, I can buy a %100 replica of irl Soyuz
Need to restart KC steel production
Relearn gun making technique
I don't even want to know how will you pay for all the eletronic cable
manic latch
Try me
humble mulch
No, I can buy a %100 replica of irl Soyuz
It would probably be more beneficial to make it a cruise ship (ie using fiberglass where you can) and do tours and stuff, could definitely even fund ocean exploration for wrecks with that money and general oceanography stuff
Wonder what cool relics they'll find alongside all that gold tho
shrewd pecan
tough quail
loathsome creature
tough quail
i mean i guess obesity is pretty modern
ivory ridge
truly
manic latch
35 years of upgrades and canceled replacement class projects
Truly the most funded navy in the world with most efficient taxpayer money use
At least it resulted on chubby Burke still
I'm happy
tough quail
they're animorphing into those funny looking sprites from the yorktwon events
manic latch
I wonder how hard they worked to keep the hull stable
I'm not sure it's designers ever expected this long term upgrades
Flight III was never going to happen if replacement projects didn't die
frozen kestrel
I'm glad I got to go to the commissioning ceremony of Jack H. Lucas
grave ravine
I wonder how hard they worked to keep the hull stable
The addition is not as big as it looks from the front
manic latch
The addition is not as big as it looks from the front
Sure
Chief if it's sticking out from the hull beam, it's not normal for me
manic latch
Chief if it's sticking out from the hull beam, it's not normal for me
Like count me the modern ships with this feature
You won't find much
Superstructure is always smaller than hull beam or same width
Tho dragon has Phalanx balcony
tough quail
what deific monolith is this
manic latch
I don't like F-16 because 15 exists
Countries coped with their low funding by buying 16 over 15
Don't blame them but they worship 16 because such reason
While 15 was always superior
They just don't want to afford it
tight violet
yknow the f-16c aesthetic kinda mid more i think about it
manic latch
Never fan of single engines
tight violet
otoh f-16s with the fuel tanks and maybe spine make it hit differently
esp from some angles
spiral cedar
Looks like a bird carrying somethiing for the nest
tough quail
Countries coped with their low funding by buying 16 over 15
that's like saying fulcrums are bad because flankers exist
and if you do we're about to throw hands
ivory ridge
manic latch
that's like saying fulcrums are bad because flankers exist
I mean....was mig 29 that good Horse
Especially over Su-27?
Don't even compare their range
tough quail
hi-lo is a thing for a reason
tight violet
I love larger girls
Are you the architect
manic latch
I have no idea what is that
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
dorito
subtle prawn
manic latch
supple sandal
Is there a specific term for military projects naming pitch like VAMPIRE?
Like how tf we are still doing this
It sound edgy af but people still buy it
tough quail
backronym
maiden citrus
finally we are moving back to chonkers, my time is now
spring briar
finally we are moving back to chonkers, my time is now
Belgian Mississippi is real
solid mango
Nom
tough quail
largest eyes
shrewd pecan
EW cheeks
tight violet
The reason i wish the lavi made it through is because then we can get a block 60, F-2, and sufa version of the lavi
somber knoll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO3FvcMRXU
Huh, I thought Jonathan is gonna retire or something
No your eyes do not deceive you
strong plank
desert agate
https://fxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1722038848669011994
RAN desperately needs to reassess its priorities with regards to this corvette program
tough quail
this is the most advanced technologyy i have ever seen
supple sandal
Is that smoke launcher
ivory ridge
RAN desperately needs to reassess its priorities with regards to this corvette p...
Just build 4.5k tons ships with 16vls, a 127mm + 76mm and up to 8 AShM and call them corvettes
desert agate
RAN should not be pursuing any programs with less than 64 VLS cells
the corvette program should be abandoned in its entirety
remote monolith
Mfw today is the centennial for the Beer Hall Putsch
autumn sorrel
the corvette program should be abandoned in its entirety
Little need?
desert agate
plenty of need, its just theres far more drastic issues that RAN needs to address before it can dedicate resources towards tier 2 surface combatants
clear scroll
More manpower
desert agate
RAN needs tier 1 combatants that can actually stand up to OPFOR aggression
autumn sorrel
No manpower?
clear scroll
Not enough
clear scroll
Yea open up the entry requirements
autumn sorrel
RAN needs tier 1 combatants that can actually stand up to OPFOR aggression
Oh yeah, no DDG?
desert agate
the Hobarts are a DDG, but are subpar for RAN requirements
clear scroll
How so
desert agate
a mere 48 cells is not enough for peer engagements in the Indo Pacific
clear scroll
On a single ship or fleet total
desert agate
the Hobarts also use mechanical missile illuminators
desert agate
On a single ship or fleet total
per ship
clear scroll
48 cells a ship is still a lot
autumn sorrel
Oh right, can’t maintain firepower or loadout sufficient
desert agate
it is not enough
autumn sorrel
48 cells a ship is still a lot
That’s both AA missile and AshM
clear scroll
I'd rather have my missiles on anti missile duty
autumn sorrel
I'd rather have my missiles on anti missile duty
Good luck being a sitting duck then
desert agate
if the RAN wants to conduct sustained operations against an opponent with a near limitless supply of land base anti-shipping missiles, it needs, as a bare minimum, to have 72 cells on its primary surface combatants
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Good luck being a sitting duck then
In other words, use missiles to intercept enemy missiles
autumn sorrel
In other words, use missiles to intercept enemy missiles
They can throw more missile at you
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if the RAN wants to conduct sustained operations against an opponent with a near...
Yea but that won't be good enough if you can't replenish in the field In Which you can only do in port
desert agate
a lack of VLS is only the first problem with the Hobarts, they have a subpar radar and mechanical missile illuminators which are functionally obsolete
desert agate
Yea but that won't be good enough if you can't replenish in the field In Which y...
which is why more cells is a necessity
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And moment your out of missiles your down to your guns
desert agate
if you cant replenish at sea, you need more cells for greater time in theatre
strong plank
You’re not going to be using your guns
autumn sorrel
Wait, RAN use SM6?
desert agate
the fleet needs more cells per ship
desert agate
Wait, RAN use SM6?
yes
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the fleet needs more cells per ship
I'd say more ships in general
strong plank
and yeah it makes sense
desert agate
more ships isnt an option
strong plank
You’d either need more cells per ship or more ships
and one of those is considerably harder and more time consuming
desert agate
what we need is for each ship to be as capable as reasonably possible
so long as we continue to adopt ships and programs that do not have the staying power to conduct sustained operations in the Indo-Pacific, the RAN will continue to be a subsidiary force incapable of independent operations in active combat theatres
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Well...you do have a point with that
strong plank
Hobart are aegis-equipped right?
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Hmmm
strong plank
Oof
desert agate
fact is that CEAFAR2 is the best radar available to Australia and the Hobarts not having it puts them at a severe disadvantage
a CEAMOUNT equipped DDG can engage multiple targets from the same illuminator rather than having a mechanical system which can only follow a single incoming missile at a time
strong plank
The hobarts are still new aren’t they
What’s the expected timeline for a new class?
like are they thinking mid-late 2030s?
desert agate
https://vxtwitter.com/sweeneygov/status/1721776253592801571?s=20
this proposal, while significantly improving the capability of the Hunters, removes the TAS which is a very bad idea as far as procurement is concerned
desert agate
The hobarts are still new aren’t they
2017
desert agate
What’s the expected timeline for a new class?
none published until Surface Fleet Review comes out
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this proposal, while significantly improving the capability of the Hunters, remo...
What's TAS?
desert agate
Towed Array Sonar
desert agate
none published until Surface Fleet Review comes out
more or less RAN is left to decide between more cells and better capability on its ships, or a questionable corvette program
desert agate
I can the the TAS as a optional module
it is not
TAS is stored below the waterline, its removal is for displacement reasons
strong plank
Well if US shipbuilding wasn’t the way it is, I’d ask if something like a flight III Burke would work was a sort of interim solution
desert agate
Burkes are a non starter as is any platform not equipped with CEAFAR2
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Maybe as a bandaid solution
desert agate
government just nationalised CEA, it wants a return on that investment, even the proposed corvettes have CEAFAR mounted on them
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CEA is Aussie developed?
desert agate
yes
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Ahhh that would make sense
desert agate
arguably the best maritime radar on the planet right now
strong plank
Fair enough
desert agate
and even once SPY-6 shows up, it'll remain competitive
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Somehow I can see them installing it as a later retrofit
strong plank
I was more thinking about the 96 VLS cells
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Hmmm
desert agate
the Anzacs were fitted with a CEAFAR1 array, but it's not nearly as capable as it would be were the ships designed for it
desert agate
I was more thinking about the 96 VLS cells
shipyard capacity should be opening up soon
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Well...the Anzac class is old anyway
desert agate
so if RAN wants to build a new DDG, it has an opportunity about to show up
strong plank
Good ol Anzac
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Plus don't forget we have the aukus thing going on which part of the American government wants to cut
strong plank
RAN can provide a little naval gunfire support, as a treat
desert agate
it will cause delays to other programs like the new landing craft and potentially the Arafuras, but the Arafuras are DOA and the landing craft are useless without the ships to get them there
but with the Anzac upgrade program coming to an end in the not too distant future, one of the two shipyards in WA can potentially rearrange its contracts
the other yard doesn't have much in the way of contracts at all, but from what im aware, it isnt capable of building larger ships
strong plank
Plus don't forget we have the aukus thing going on which part of the American go...
There’s not any political pressure to back out of Aukus as far as I’m aware
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There’s not any political pressure to back out of Aukus as far as I’m aware
It's not even political pressure
desert agate
so the landing craft and Arafuras can be shifted to that yard and the better equipped yard can build a more capable combatant, while South Australia builds the Hunters
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Besides, the British subs are smaller, quieter and just as capable as the American subs
desert agate
AUKUS is well beyond the point of no return
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I know
desert agate
its probably the only ADF procurement program thats not running into serious hickups
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Mmm
strong plank
rn the talks going on seem to be about which virginias to give
Since they come in several flavors
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Yea
strong plank
VPM and all that
desert agate
in any case the Navantia Flight III design seems promising as a Hobart replacement/supplement and if necessary some other programs like the Arafuras could be cut to provide necessary manpower/funding
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I think that's the main thing holding us back, manpower and funding
Manpower can be solved by lessening the restrictions on entry requirements
desert agate
the BAE 96 cell Hunter program is far less promising, if a middle ground can be found with potentially 72 cells while retaining the TAS, some of the Hunters could be fitted with the new module
but that would also mean losing the second heli, which would hurt ASW capability, albeit not as much as losing the TAS
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With those points I feel a completely new class altogether would be better
And building up from there
desert agate
ADF needs to focus on retainment, not on recruitment
the Hunters cannot be abandoned at this stage, the Anzacs need to be retired as a matter of urgency and putting a stop to the Hunter program would be disastrous
strong plank
The big question with aukus is whether it’ll arrive too late
but that’s a much deeper discussion than can be had here
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Id say that would be touching into geopolitical stuff just a bit
desert agate
I dont think China is going anywhere anytime soon, it will experience decline but I dont see its status as a powerful regional player going away
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That is for certain
desert agate
fact is the RAN needs to build for the future just as much as it needs to build for now
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I agree
And there's many factors that will need to be addressed for that
Not just ship capability
desert agate
ADF as an organisation needs to stop trying to compete with the private sector for manpower, because it will always lose that fight
ADF can provide neither the wages, nor the working experience that the private sector can
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You do realise it's mainly the entry requirements that limit how many can join at a time right?
desert agate
it used to be the case that personnel would walk onto base at the start of the week as uniformed personnel, and could walk out by the end of the week working at the same job getting double the pay doing half the work for Lockheed or Boeing
entry requirements are not the issue when entire ships are losing their enlisted personnel complement over a year due to abusive officers
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Somehow I doubt that
desert agate
retainment is the issue, plenty of bright eyed kids that meet the requirements are joining every year, and arent renewing their contracts after their mandatory period of service
strong plank
Retention’s a lot more important than recruitment
desert agate
so long as personnel keep leaving defence at the rate they are, the services will never grow
strong plank
you need to retain experienced personnel to make sure their skill stays available to the service
training isn’t just learning how to march and shoot a rifle
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Nah shit sherlock
desert agate
suicides, abuse, poor working conditions and better options in the private sector are significantly holding back the ADF from its goals of increasing by 2000 personnel per year until the 2030s
strong plank
like with aukus for example, they’re gonna need to train up entire skillsets that they haven’t had before
desert agate
when our heli pilots can join up, have the taxpayer pay them to be trained to fly, complete their mandatory 8 years and then jump off to the private sector to get double or 3 times the pay because they didnt enjoy their time in the service, it causes serious problems
we cant compete in wages, we need to compete in working conditions, we need people to stay not because they know theyre getting paid more than they would in the private sector, but because the public sector is providing them with an excellent place to work, with good services and can keep personnel motivated
strong plank
Competing with the private sector is a problem most professional militaries are having to grapple with rn
desert agate
ADF is trying to 'corporatise'
strong plank
Our forces are having a time of it
strong plank
Yeah
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Lame
strong plank
Honestly I think the marines have the right approach
you watch all the services’ ads and it’s all
desert agate
you're in the defence force, you're there to kill, or be killed, you're not working any other desk job for half the pay you can get in the private sector, you're working a job that exists to take lives
strong plank
“Here’s what we do for you”
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Mmm
strong plank
“We’re just like you guys”
Then the marines
“Maybe you’re not good enough to join us”
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Lmao
desert agate
ADF should also run its own recruitment instead of relying on contractors but thats another issue
anyway im hungry gonna grab lunch
strong plank
I’m gonna sleep
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Afternoon snack
desert agate
gotta be a meal before work
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Pip down to the nearest Maccas then
desert agate
i live next to a maccas and its very bad for trying to eat healthier
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Meh
desert agate
anyway mirage kino bye
desert agate
true kino
desert agate
That take off
RATO for intercepting nuclear bombers
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Ahh
desert agate
the French were big fans
the earlier Mirages with RATO could get to intercept altitude in a matter of seconds
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Cool
tough quail
extremely common mirage W
desert agate
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The turret on the A4 reminds me of the tiger tank
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
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A nest of birds
shrewd pecan
tribal mortar
what is the implication here?
desert agate
Plane look same
chilly osprey
Tbh, aside from the intakes, the render looks far more like an F-22
strong plank
Raptor with F-35 intakes
rapid junco
Reminds me of post i once saw
Like
Comparing Globemaster, Millenium and Kawasaki
But something very dumb i heard today
Heard because it was on the radio
A program i heard when i was a kid, has a part called "Tunnel of Time"
I was having breakfast
And like, the historical event the presenters were talking was about the birth of Charles de Gaulle
And like, when they started to talk about what he did in WWII
They started giggling after saying that he was president in exile
And said something like "Oh, so everyone was fighting and he was far away"
ivory ridge
weird fucker my beloved
rapid junco
Ariete? 
Sorry Undie, i don't know too much about italian tanks besides the L3 and Centauro II
strong plank
Looks like a light tank?
maiden citrus
idk looks heavy to me I probably would need two hands
supple sandal
solid mango
subtle prawn
rapid junco
Martin PM
shrewd pecan
muted thorn
I found an old poster in my school
53rd anniversary of October Revolution
Year 1970th
jagged monolith
How appropriate, the year of its rediscovery.
Revoluts... I can't read that last letter.
manic latch
A Soviet Sailor poses with an American contemporary during the visit of the Slava Class Guided Missile Cruiser MARSHAL USTINOV
fierce sparrow
manic latch
The Soviet government introduced the 1927 pattern, which was very similar to the 1881 Cossack pattern; production of this pattern continued until 1946. The last pattern shashkas to be introduced were the 1940 patterns for "line commanding personnel" and generals—both had knuckle-bows
Tho I prefer Sword of Stalingrad
One of coolest gifts of Britain
The sword was made by master craftsman Tom Beasley and his assistant Sid Rouse of Wilkinson Sword, modelled on a design laid out by fine arts Professor Reginald Morier Yorke Gleadowe of Oxford University, a design which was personally approved by the king. The finished article was some four feet long, had a double-edged 36-inch blade of Sheffield steel, and a solid silver 10-inch cross guard designed to resemble a leopard’s head. The grip was bound in 18-carat gold wire and had a pommel made of rock crystal with an English rose made of gold. To house the sword, a scabbard was made of crimson coloured lamb skin (although some say it was of Moroccan leather) decorated with the British Royal Arms, silver mounts and a number of rubies and stars made of gold.
strong plank
Is he smelling the sword
manic latch
Kissing
During the presentation in the Ballroom at the Soviet embassy in Tehran, it is recorded that Churchill turned to Stalin and said: ‘I am commanded to present this sword of honour as a token of homage of the British people’. Taking the gift from a British officer, Stalin kissed the sword before handing it to President Franklin Roosevelt who removed the blade from the scabbard to take a closer look. Roosevelt then purportedly said: ‘Truly they had hearts of steel’. This was perhaps a rather clever remark since Stalin’s name roughly means ‘man of steel’.
tough quail
doing a line of coke off a cool british sword named after the battle of stalingrad would be fucking rad though
manic latch
@tough quail have this old banger
"Next time we are in a war,
Next time we are in a war,
I will rush to greet that bullet,
On my raven black horse!"
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1723076962019639298
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1723076964360098094
shrewd pecan
rapid junco
Is that "Temper" episode?
subtle prawn
That's USS Wisconsin
desert agate
By the time the guns fell silent on the eleventh hour, of the eleventh day, of the eleventh month in 1918, more than 60,000 Australian sailors, soldiers and aviators had died among approximately 16 million other combatants and civilians in the world’s first Great War.
We Will Remember Them
Lest We Forget
manic latch
@shrewd pecan https://youtu.be/qwSeUAwYiA0?si=FweY_Oy-J5XjQfe3
Imagine if torps were still viable for this types of planes
She could manage 10 533mm torpedo
shrewd pecan
<@167796048574545920> https://youtu.be/qwSeUAwYiA0?si=FweY_Oy-J5XjQfe3
Taking her out in ground RB with the 8 3,000 pounders is rather fun I must say
junior trench
Stick an aerial drag device on the Mark 13 with the nose and tail guards and you might be able to drop it from supersonic down to safe submersion speeds...
covert timber
US has AI drones, and I just found out
desert agate
zealous vine
Is there a source where I can read the ideas behind ww2 ship turret designs?
I'm especially curious as to why the Brits changed a lot throughout the calibers
rotund yarrow
https://fxtwitter.com/ShorealoneFilms/status/1722993343485866184
FINALLY
junior trench
I'm especially curious as to why the Brits changed a lot throughout the calibers
Because the two-gun 15" there is from pre-WW1, the three-gun 16" is from the early 20s, and the 14" four-gun and two-gun are from the late 30s
For comparison, here's 6" turrets of a RN cruiser contemporary to the KGV's in design
remote monolith
Paleontologists have unearthed a well-preserved, almost complete left frontal (part of the skull roof) of a previously unknown species of megaraptorid dinosaur in the upper Strzelecki Group (earliest Cretaceous) of Victoria, Australia. The new specimen provides limited support for the hypothesis that megaraptorid dinosaurs might have originated in Australia.
keep in mind we still don't really know how and where Megaraptorid first appears
they're fairly mysterious as a group
fierce sparrow
regal musk
thorn trail
Anyone got that pic of a japanese cruiser turret that was swiss cheesed
I remember someone sent a pic like that here
subtle prawn
rapid junco
It's remembrance day
last lance
It's remembrance day
And was a Polish Independence day
runic ermine
And was a Polish Independence day
That too
last lance
Damn it's 105th Independence day I feel like it's still 100th
shrewd pecan
vocal vine
subtle prawn
rapid junco
Concept art of a J class DD (Havant class) flying a Brazilian flag
digital mantle
A bro of mine that admires this battleship posted this elsewhere.
Posting it here outta respect for ‘em! Woo—!!!
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/permanent-home-nears-for-battleship-texas/3384795/
Woo-Hoo!!!
shrewd pecan
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1723722089394266617
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1723722093429129677
cinder escarp
Ah yes, always hear about this growing up. One of the old bits of PNW lore alongside D.B. Cooper.
tight violet
which merkava variant had the best looking turret setup? 2d, 3d, or 4?
manic latch
@tough quail BMP-1 with 360mm Mortar with nuclear warheads
tough quail
Jesus christ how horrifying
spring briar
: (
astral rover
Is there a way to see what names were proposed for unbuilt/cancelled ships beyond Wikipedia? Like for example there were 10 Worcesters planned and 4 had names, so like were the other 6 named? Same thing for any other similar instances.
covert timber
Mighty Mo's crew giving Kamikaze pilot a burial at sea
@timber orbit @naive path @distant birch Mighty Mo' 15 sec reload
timber orbit
<@731727482864271392> <@195267822346174464> <@302917855337250816> Mighty Mo' 15 ...
are you sure it's the same "gun" on a turret?
naive path
what am I looking at?
covert timber
Yes
naive path
shooting water?
covert timber
shooting water?
Mighty Mo' firepower demonstration
naive path
I would assume it'd be cooler if the target is shown hit 15sec apart
naive path
damn journalists
covert timber
Put Mighty Mo' is the only Iowa class ship with her guns raised
well all of them
wait
I was wrong
all of them have their guns raised
desert agate
they have their guns stored in the standard sailing position
desert agate
theres locks to prevent the guns moving in those positions
covert timber
But you can't deny it's almost poetic that Arizona and Missouri are in the same harbor
Arizona saw the start of the war
Missouri ended the war
naive path
wtf is the white thing? boat about to run into it 
desert agate
its the USS Arizona memorial
covert timber
She still leaks oil
desert agate
a consequence of never raising her wreck
naive path
send fish to drink em all 
strong plank
a consequence of never raising her wreck
most of it's been drained afaik
naive path
so....another submersive spectacle spot?
covert timber
part of Arizona's super structure is in Missouri
strong plank
and they've done studies to make sure any environmental impact is minimal
desert agate
i would note however, there may be a solution to the oil leaking issue, as theyve recently discovered a species of bacteria that eats oil in Truk
strong plank
and no you can't dive in the Arizona
naive path
capture war criminal, make them drink Arizona water
strong plank
i would note however, there may be a solution to the oil leaking issue, as theyv...
I wouldn't even call it an issue
it's largely been mitigated
desert agate
any oil leakage into the environment will have detrimental impacts
it can be mitigated considerably, but never entirely removed
covert timber
Then you get Red Hill
strong plank
red hill was a result of neglect
covert timber
yeah
desert agate
Red Hill, Western Australia? 
strong plank
red hill, the navy's fuel storage site on Oahu
desert agate
oh yeah that
strong plank
bc it turns out that not renovating your fuel storage and using the same tanks since ww2 is not ideal
covert timber
Many Hawaiians don't like the US here
strong plank
Red Hill is a symptom of a larger problem
desert agate
almost as if it was illegally annexed in a colonial endeavour or something
strong plank
that there's more talk than action when it comes to addressing the navy's underlying problems
covert timber
almost as if it was illegally annexed in a colonial endeavour or something
I'm Hawaiian and I still rather have the US own Hawai'i than having Hawai'i as it's own nation.
strong plank
which island out of curiousity
desert agate
what the US did to Hawaii is basically what the French tried to do to Algeria, but the US succeeded because they just imported so many people that the native demographics were entirely overwhelmed
covert timber
Oahu
covert timber
Growing up I got to stay on the Missouri for a week
strong plank
her sister ship is a 30 minute drive from me
strong plank
no, Missouri's sister ship
covert timber
oh
strong plank
the Wisconsin
strong plank
thats just statistics for you
covert timber
our housing prices leave things to be desired
Just like this bad transition to history
strong plank
certainly much better weather than the east coast
covert timber
I might move to New Hampshire, but not certian
Mighty Mo' and Kitty Hawk
Can't use her nickname because it'll get me muted
Mighty Mo' and her "Bird"
strong plank
eternal veldt
maiden citrus
cunning salmon
Stealthy boi
solid mango
So stealthy i forgot 1001 even existed 
manic latch
So stealthy i forgot 1001 even existed <:BocchiConcerned:1080639955417710663>
Most expensive destroyer in existence
I don't even know who you are
Tax money well spend
spring briar
https://fxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1724150541431738609
Lovely
unkempt sedge
manic latch
French frigate FS Aconit (F 713) in the port of Toulon
desert agate
manic latch
rapid junco
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1724870458246328385
Ah, i remember that
Like, hearing in the news
We even sent our SRS, Felinto Perry, to try to find her
rapid junco
unkempt sedge
desert agate
desert agate
You gonna lose your job over some liquor?
Someone is
No self respecting fleet will tolerate an officer, much less a senior one being drunk at sea
Some alcohol is fine, ships have bars on board
Being drunk is not
solid mango
near raptor
What do the letter designations mean in Japanese designs? (A-140) (B-65)
thorn trail
iirc the hull type
subtle prawn
rapid junco
Didn't watch
But i am guessing the inventions are probably overrated and never came to life actually
When i was younger
I was used to watch too much History and NatGeo
And i Probably fell for the "propaganda" during my early days of the history hobby
rapid junco
Hope one day she goes to AL
Just like i'm waiting for Manjuu/Yostar to complete the Brooklyn class
spiral cedar
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1725191993934889160
https://fxtwitter.com/Konrad7Konrad/status/1725220700204498952
https://fxtwitter.com/Konrad7Konrad/status/1725222000895873382
ivory ridge
spiral cedar
Yeah, by the time they'd finish 10 Bismarcks the naval war would already be over
maiden citrus
oof that 1916-1920 lmao
nagato coming out on top
does he know
nc commisions
'I'm still gonna have bismack as the top battleship at this point'
why do I torture myself
desert agate
https://fxtwitter.com/Konrad7Konrad/status/1725220700204498952
https://fxtwitter...
I build a Bismarck
the British sink it
I build a Bismarck
the British trap it
I build a Bismarck
the British bomb it
I build 7 more Bismarcks
none of them leave port
I have no fuel
strong plank
>I build a Bismarck
>the British sink it
>I build a Bismarck
>the British trap i...
“It sounds like you’re just feeding Bismarcks to the Royal Navy”
ivory ridge
yknow i never looked up the original version of that meme/tweet
maybe i shouldnt have done that
desert agate
spiral cedar
subtle prawn
manic latch
yknow i never looked up the original version of that meme/tweet
Do NOT face Yamato alone when Astral projecting Today while astral projecting I summoned Yamato to try and weaken her so our hexing spells would work better. She is so fucking powerful. I'm not at a power level to do this alone. I barely escaped with my life and I'm spiritually injured to a great amount, but I think I'll make it. I can't imagine what he would do to a new, unsuspecting witch. I'm scared that I will have to face her again soon if I ever want to continue astral projecting. I'm currently burning healing incense and drawing spiritual energy from my crystals to try and heal as quickly as possible. Please be safe everyone. Yamato is much stronger than I first imagined and we will have to do this together if we want to sink her.
rapid junco
https://fxtwitter.com/Konrad7Konrad/status/1725220700204498952
https://fxtwitter...
Sorry Jaba
I forgot to turn off the @ 
@manic latch Did i showed this to you? 
strong plank
https://fxtwitter.com/Rich_Ships/status/1725256319270264838?t=-KHTcGCBWvKiTZXTTI...
God I know Paul Allen was one of the Microsoft co founders
But whenever Petrel is brought up my brain just goes
“Very nice, now let’s see what Paul Allen’s sub found”
humble mulch
“Very nice, now let’s see what Paul Allen’s sub found”
I never knew how much I needed this
But that's a decent spread of hits on Kirishima
rapid junco
ARA Almirante Brown
shrewd pecan
tough quail
what kind of fucking name is visby for a warship
rapid junco
I don't know
But i do have a feeling that i heard that name in WoWs
shrewd pecan
what kind of fucking name is visby for a warship
there named after islands and towns
shrewd pecan
autumn sorrel
Casually dropping nuke
tough quail
new dutch lore
desert agate
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-naval-divers-injured-by-sonar-pulses-from-chinese-warship-20231118-p5ekza.html
HMAS Toowoomba stopped in international waters to clear fishing nets which were tangled in her shafts and advised a nearby PLAN destroyer keep clear, as diving operations were underway
PLAN Destroyer instead closed the distance, operated its hull sonar and injured the divers who were forced to exit the water
wintry moat
PLAN?
supple sandal
So those gun based CIWS wouldn't do much in actual anti-ship missile attack because you only have like 20 seconds of opportunity at most
ivory ridge
Gun based CIWS are being vindicated by UAV's existence and newfound prevalence in offensive roles
supple sandal
Yeah
ivory ridge
That's why i will never stop shilling about the Oto 76 my beloved
subtle prawn
That's why i will never stop shilling about the Oto 76 my beloved
I thought that your “beloved” was the 127/64 LW
ivory ridge
They both are but the 76mm is the better weapon system cuz AA > main gun
A mix of both is great
spiral cedar
Layered air defense has always been important
ivory ridge
is this from WGR
solid mango
ivory ridge
or WSG
however you want to call it
thanks WGR wiki for reminding me it's Surcouf's birthday
solid mango
But ye, I like using their stuff for references 
ivory ridge
solid mango
strong plank
Surprised unde hasn’t edited together a Live Oto 76 reaction meme yet
solid mango
Live Oto Melara 76 reaction:
supple sandal
But ye, I like using their stuff for references <a:EssexNod:738588942269415485>
Tell me why azur lane is more popular than this again
ivory ridge
Surprised unde hasn’t edited together a Live Oto 76 reaction meme yet
i did this joke twice, i could repurpose it
the first pic is pretty good for it
manic latch
i did this joke twice, i could repurpose it
I live in your walls
solid mango
I live in your walls
I know where you live
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Lmao
solid mango
proceeds to blow up my walls
shrewd pecan
fierce sparrow
strong plank
I live in your walls
Bro got the thousand yard stare
strong plank
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-naval-divers-injured-by-sonar...
Jesus
unkempt sedge
tribal mortar
is this aleutian islands campaign?
covert timber
What's the first US ship that had the first "Advanced" radar, like bordering on Cold war tech while being WWII
eternal veldt
tribal mortar
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How is this possible?
desert agate
What's the first US ship that had the first "Advanced" radar, like bordering on ...
cold war tech is a very broad term that includes later centimetric systems all the way to early AESA arrays
covert timber
cold war tech is a very broad term that includes later centimetric systems all t...
What was the most advanced US radar system in WWII?
desert agate
the best air search radar was the SK-2 radar, for surface search you'd probably be looking at the SC-3 and the Mk13 FC for fire control
pretty much all of these sets were obsolete by the 50s and were mostly all phased out by Korea
the Iowas still have their Mk13s though
solid mango
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junior trench
Kind of
They retained those radars
But the Mark 27 kind of took precedence for fire control already
Got put way up on top
Where the optical range finder used to be
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Where people say obsolete I say outdated
desert agate
trying to go through the analog systems of an Iowa to modernise the fire control radar is just far more trouble than its worth, hence why it was rarely done
the problem with the Iowas fire control radar in a modern context is has to compete with AESA arrays that can search, track, direct fire, direct missiles and conduct interception of incoming missiles all at the same time
they dont even call it radar anymore in an official context, even if thats still the colloquial name
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Gotta remember what era the Iowa class was meant for tho
desert agate
well yes
its fine for the 40s
but these days its a little difficult to find a phrase other than obsolete that matches
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Personally I'd rather outdated
eternal veldt
Noteworthy that the Iowas only received the Mark 13 post-war, and they all carried the Mark 8 during WW2.
cruisers such as Indianapolis received it a bit earlier.
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Mmm
desert agate
thats a search radar tho
eternal veldt
only after their 1980 refit.
desert agate
air search even
remote monolith
@desert agate good news hi https://news.flinders.edu.au/blog/2023/11/18/big-birds-of-prey-rise-again/
strong plank
since I assume the old ones didn't work with tomahawk
remote monolith
also the boneleg of a Supersaurus
in case you forget how massive these things are, since Supersaurus is far from being the tallest sauropod either
desert agate
<@286885038208057344> good news hi https://news.flinders.edu.au/blog/2023/11/18/...
sick as
remote monolith
very long yes, but as a diplodocid its pretty gracile
desert agate
since I assume the old ones didn't work with tomahawk
They did
This is New Jerseys cruise missile control room
strong plank
I thought New Jersey also got the SPQ-9?
desert agate
new jersey tends to be the exception rather than the norm thanks to her 70s reactivation
autumn sorrel
also the boneleg of a Supersaurus
I see this and the first thing come to my mind is a giant KFC leg drum
spring briar
The west provides
manic latch
Would CIA let a pilot live for long if he defected to USSR or China with an F-15 or F-22?
Doubt
autumn sorrel
Would CIA let a pilot live for long if he defected to USSR or China with an F-15...
Depend on how tight the security KGB or Chinese Internal Security deem neccessary
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Would CIA let a pilot live for long if he defected to USSR or China with an F-15...
Most probably not
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/europe/viktor-belenko-dead.html
That was the Russian who gave the Americans a foxbat mig right?
subtle prawn
Yes