history

[wintry moat]

in a assbackwards sorts way?

[spring briar]

But I wanted to see it in action

[wintry moat]

poor Panzer 1 crew getting nailed by overwhelming French Arty

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

Romania is basically

Cool

only axis nation to gain territory after WW2

[wintry moat]

Romania joined the Axis out of fear of USSR right?

kinda like Finland

[autumn sorrel]

And didn’t even kill their old Monarch

[autumn sorrel]

They want a strip of land back

[wintry moat]

Not that Finland was scared of Russia

[spring briar]

Tea’s love for Romania is weird but somewhat understandable

[autumn sorrel]

They kinda do, that’s why they fought so hard

[spring briar]

It’s like my love for Paraguay

[lime scarab]

What are we talking about now?

[spring briar]

Paraguay losing 90% of its male population in 1 war?

[autumn sorrel]

What? Killing 80% of your male population to own the Argentinian?

[spring briar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBI7Rrk8F0&pp=ygUMcGFyYWd1YXkgd2Fy

[wintry moat]

Love that video

absolute chaos

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, Paraguay force can 1v1 Brazil or Argentina and win, never both at the same

[humble mulch]

Nah thats Bulgaria

[wintry moat]

I'm not familiar with SA politics, these three the Balkans of SA?

[humble mulch]

Cause Bulgaria never declared war on the soviets, they were allowed to keep all the land Germany let them take

[autumn sorrel]

Not really

[autumn sorrel]

They do have a brief period of border tension and arm race but hardly boil down to genocide

[wintry moat]

Ok fair

[autumn sorrel]

Well, not to the other nation that is

Let’s not ask what happens to all those native tribes in Brazil

[wintry moat]

K

But ive been reading German Battlecruisers of WW1, and Goeben’s service is pretty cool

or at least interesting

[autumn sorrel]

Shame that West German never take her back

[humble mulch]

I picked Romania to shill for due to table top game rules (they are unhistorical as fuck) and I just spiraled from there

[wintry moat]

Fr

would've loved to see her

[autumn sorrel]

Turkey offer to sell her back, West German refuse

[wintry moat]

Did turkey ever fix the Torpedo damage she sustained?

*Mine

had a stroke

I know she had two big holes ripped open in her side

also

[autumn sorrel]

Turkey did, she was their biggest and most modern unit at the time anyway

[wintry moat]

The Captain of the Goeben watching as Breslau sink as she strikes mines is like a movie scene

but the book mentions something of treachery

I couldn't make heads or tails of it tho

he may of been adding flourishes

[autumn sorrel]

I only know about Romania bc of that Roma gypsy joke, even in comblock, they are very low key

Like never do anything out of the ordinary

Well, except when they decided to kill the old communist dictator and his wife publicly

[manic latch]

I know Romania from thief memes

[autumn sorrel]

Gypsy are more likely from Central Asia more but they keep calling themselves Roma for reason

[manic latch]

Honestly what I hate most is the world having multiple languages

Language barrier is underrated problem

Also ruins some of my research alot

[autumn sorrel]

Oh man, you gonna hate it real bad when local dialects coming into play

[spring briar]

🇦🇷🇧🇷🇺🇾

[humble mulch]

Dude my mother would tell me she'd sell me to gypsies when I was acting up

Maybe that's where my love comes from

And when I got older it became "you're such a bad kid they would pay me to take you back"

Idk why exactly they are so tied to Romania as I haven't really looked into their history but of the few that I've met they've been pretty normal and wonderful people

[autumn sorrel]

From what I know about the Gypsy, being nomad mean they have a different view on property and local law, basically they aren’t stealing bc the previous owner doesn’t need it and the Gypsy need it more. Outside of that, they just sound like any other group of people, albeit more carefree

[manic latch]

Scavenger type ye

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, pretty much.

A friend who used to work for WG on WoWs once related to me that the demographic most willing to throw cash at a free to play was weebs in general.

After weebs, it was wheraboos.

So as you can imagine, this did have an impact on what the company would actually bring in for ships

And no doubt the same thing holds true in AL

Both the MN and RM were larger navies than the KM.

But there are probably a lot more KM fans out there willing to throw money at a game than there are MN or RM fans, possibly even more than both combined.

[manic latch]

That's true

I can bet KMS is more researched than RM and MN as well

People like talking about things they know or interested on

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/08/01/navy-awards-ingalls-6-flight-iii-arleigh-burke-destroyers-bath-iron-works-3-as-part-of-five-year-deal

[rapid junco]

That "Oi meu chapa"
Comes from the Brazilian dub of the new Woody Woodpecker

[rapid junco]

Nowadays or in that time?

The first is like, no, just no
The latter nhe
Maybe?
Because we were caught in a surprise kind off
But maybe in a long war (just like the Triple Alliance War was) no

And Paraguay already defeated Argentine forces in the early 1810s

When they were fighting against independence forces
Basically going with the Spanish Royalists

[rapid junco]

Nah i guess
The "top 3" around here is the so called "ABC" (🇦🇷🇧🇷🇨🇱)
Which you may remember from Drach's video in the Dreadnoght race

But in the Triple Alliance war was the last of the "Platine Wars"
Which the main actors are Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay

[maiden citrus]

not the triple alliance I was thinking of but an interesting research topic in itself

[rapid junco]

That's the more official name of that war

Paraguayan War is more of an informal way of calling it

[rapid junco]

And the triple alliance is this:

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/Real_CandRsenal/status/1686475947535466498

CandRsenal (@Real_CandRsenal)

I miss the gold standard.

Twitter · Aug 1, 2023, 8:36 PM

[maiden citrus]

yeah, just joking when I see triple alliance I think aztec empire

[rapid junco]

Recently i had been looking the civil wars on Argentina
Which was basically the war betweeen Federalists VS Unitarians

Between 1852 through 1862
The province of Buenos Aires seceded from Argentina
Which was the "State of Buenos Aires"
They had even an separate flag

About the triple alliance war:
https://youtu.be/_HIWhGB4doY

[manic latch]

According to a translated article by firearms enthusiast and historian Andrey Ulanov, the Soviet Union acquired a single M1 Garand rifle through Lend-Lease and tested it in 1943. Lend-Lease shipment records showed that the United States did send a single M1 Garand rifle to the USSR (below, marked in red).

According to Ulanov, Soviet testers were impressed with the M1 Garand’s accuracy and reliability, but they considered it too complicated and heavy for the average Red Army soldier. Nevertheless, design elements of the M1 Garand such as its gas system were adapted by Mikhail Kalashnikov in designing the AK-47.

[alpine onyx]

To not appreciate the egg-laying-wool-milk-pig that the Pz IV was...

[tough quail]

The

What

[eternal veldt]

Its a german term for basically all-rounder

[tough quail]

Is Germany real?

[eternal veldt]

Tbh, iirc the pz iv's suspension was basically overloaded with the later variants

Suboptimal

[grave ravine]

panther took fewer man hours to build than panzer 4

also suboptimal

[spring briar]

I simply said I enjoy the III

[alpine onyx]

Can enjoy the III

But also gotta appreciate the IV

[desert agate]

panther crews moving to a panzer 4 thinking they'll have to do less repairs on the suspension (they dont know)

[alpine onyx]

At least they don't have to remove almost all of the wheels to service the innermost

[eternal veldt]

Do the funny

[spring briar]

I appreciate it more than the ponther

[fierce sparrow]

yea... you've seen the semi automatic rifle prototype that Kalashnikov team did?
But it kinda lost to Simonov's SKS...

[tough quail]

man the soviets really like that kind of hanguard

[fierce sparrow]

Strange about the Kalashnikov Petrov carbine... it is a short stroke piston. But somehow failed the reliability requirements.

But he and his team then went on to the Long stroke piston instead for the AKs. Just like the M1 Garand...

I guess the Kalashnikov movie never mentions this important development. Along with the some rivalry with Simonov, kinda shame...

[autumn sorrel]

[fierce sparrow]

LEBEL I SEE..?

okay... what just happened on that video

[spring briar]

Just some memes

[fierce sparrow]

oh man that bullet...

[chilly flower]

[eternal veldt]

Pathway of a 16-shell fired by USS Massachusetts BB-59 into an unknown ship undergoing salvage in Casablanca Harbor, January 1943. Note how each hole gets larger.
One caption had mentioned this was Battleship Jean Bart but that is not confirmed.

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/juggernaut-xmen-runningthroughwalls-gif-15766910

[maiden citrus]

me when nevada skin was announced

[spring briar]

Kindest American

[chilly osprey]

This is amazing, what's the word for this in German?

Also, NGL, I am also a Pz.III & IV appreciator.

Fell in love with the Pz. IV F2 because of WT, but I've always really liked the Pz. III J & L series.

[alpine onyx]

Eierlegende Wollmilchsau

Least cursed German animal

[wintry moat]

Panzther

[remote monolith]

https://youtu.be/rOVWVgVCiKc

@maiden citrus YUGE Ichthyosaurs, 18-21 meters estimate, 34-40t weight, actually hunts as a macropredator like Megalodon and Livyatan

there's also the Lillistock monster and the Aust colossus mentioned briefly\

these things are humongous

[maiden citrus]

icthys my rotund loves

thank you for the ping

[spring briar]

Nevada

[autumn sorrel]

It hunt Livy, da fuq?

Oh wait, "hunt as"

[remote monolith]

no it doesn't, it just lives the same lifestyle

[autumn sorrel]

I really need to check my eyes

[remote monolith]

Ichthyosaurs historically wasn't considered macropredators, but recent findings confirmed these guys filled that niche too and produced some gargantuan sizes

eg the Aust colossus was estimated to be 30 meters long and weighed 100 tons

[autumn sorrel]

Holy, now I suddenly imagine a giant Ichthy fighting a Livy in the middle of the ocean

[maiden citrus]

there are no thoughts behind those eyes

only hunger

[remote monolith]

metal af

[chilly osprey]

Beautiful

[autumn sorrel]

That is actually how I was introduced into Paleontology. It was way before Livy was confirmed so I was watching a Paleo docu with my grandpa about Megalodon. There was a scene where Meg hunting and fighting a giant Sperm Whale, all of my kid brain can think of is “awesome”.

Man, Discovery Channel used to be good

[remote monolith]

Livyatan is basically a smaller sperm whale with an even bigger and more numerous teeth system, so that tracks

[fierce sparrow]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/nicholadrummond/status/1686700878592434176

Nicholas Drummond (@nicholadrummond)

In addition to the M10 Booker, @GD_LandSystems is developing a new IFV on the same ASCOD/ Ajax-derived chassis for the US Army's OMFV / MMFV requirement. The word on the streets is that both vehicles are EXCELLENT with no excess noise or vibration issues.

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175

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 11:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-b3EWd3Jg8

[manic latch]

Word on streets huh

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBGIt_K33c

[wintry moat]

SMS Seydlitz at Blohm and Voss

[eternal veldt]

Let's play spot the ships

Richelieu should find at least two interesting ships here.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1686734900676759552

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

Contract has officially been signed for 90 (+35 in addition as optional) C2 Arietes, heavily upgraded C1 Arietes as part of the AMV program. It will run for 8 years, the first deliveries being in 2025. Great news, as always I’ll keep you guys updated when new info gets revealed.

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193

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 1:45 PM

[gloomy current]

Ariete C2, aka Leopard 1A8

[chilly osprey]

More like Leo 2A4 at home

Other interesting news today is that they're planning to add an extra tank company to each tank regiment, and add a new tank regiment to one of the 'light' mechanized brigades (likely Sassari)

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/AirOpsSyndicate/status/1686667795856019456

Air Operations Syndicate (@AirOpsSyndicate)

Pakistan all set to join Turkish 5th Generation Fighter Program as official partner.

Previously, the partnership was restricted to technical assistance only. This development means more jobs for Pakistani engineers and more transfer of technology for our aviation industry.

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229

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 9:18 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1686853077549146112

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, LTJG John F. Kennedy's PT 109 was rammed by Japanese destroyer Amagiri. JFK was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for his courage in leading the 10 crewmen who survived the collision to safety. The incident was depicted in the 1963 film "PT 109".

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 9:34 PM

[manic latch]

@maiden citrus

https://twitter.com/cavasships/status/1686855179214233600?s=46&t=8IQmxb32uvd4KtJCaR5mEw

Chris Cavas (@CavasShips)

Battleship NEW JERSEY BB62 will by drydocked probably in 2024 for a hull cleaning and inspection. The State of NJ has allocated $5 million, more is being raised by donations. Photos: 1982 at Long Beach NSY; 23 May at Camden https://t.co/2vmVkmRIRH and https://t.co/ZKizUdZxhy

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 9:43 PM

[maiden citrus]

very nice, squeaky clean

[rapid junco]

@spring briar

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/08/02/new-flight-iii-destroyer-deal-has-options-for-up-to-15-hulls-says-navy

[manic latch]

@tough quail
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kholshchevnikov_VRDK

The VRDK was designed to operate for 10 minutes continuously and provide a speed increase of 90 km/h (56 mph). Both the Su-5 and the I-250 had top speeds faster than contemporary piston engined fighters but slower than early jet fighters such as the Gloster Meteor and Messerschmitt Me 262

[tough quail]

bruh

interesting

[cinder escarp]

ignore VRDK, acquire Artem Lyulka posting

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t88awYDXCA

[eternal veldt]

October 16, 1945. USN battleship Mississippi makes a port call in New Orleans, LA, on her way from Pacific to Norfolk to celebrate the end of the WW2.

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Where Idaho

[autumn sorrel]

They still have fund for that kind of project?

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/USEmbAustralia/status/1686871821357121537?s=20

U.S. Embassy Australia (@USEmbAustralia)

Eighty years ago, President Kennedy swum between Plum Pudding Island (now Kennedy Island), Naru Island, and Olasana Island — multiple times, at night — to save himself and his PT-109 crew.

Yesterday, Ambassador Kennedy and her son, Jack, recreated the swim to commemorate the…

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2595

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270

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 10:49 PM

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/fakehistoryhunt/status/1686924553715318784

Fake History Hunter (@fakehistoryhunt)

This is fine... 1940 style.

Testing of a new refractory building material. New Haven, 1949

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361

Twitter · Aug 3, 2023, 2:18 AM

🔥🔥

[solid mango]

🔥 🔥

[thorn trail]

anyone know what IJN planes are on top of this carrier?

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_B2M

[thorn trail]

Aight thanks

[manic latch]

British hard carrying Ijn development be like

Prince of Wales, Repulse: Thx very cool

[warm finch]

Playing todays war with yesterdays weapons never really ended well did it?

[rapid junco]

By chance

Had you visited the Vaugirard Hospital Garden in Paris?

[spring briar]

Nope

[rapid junco]

Well
There's a small plaque in there

In homage to our medical mission that served in France during WWI

It's a place that i want to visit someday

[manic latch]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-03/will-taipan-helicopters-return-to-duty/102678508

Why Australia even bought this helicopter

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/mason_8718/status/1687023383903625217

ハク Mason (@mason_8718)

Great news.
Yesterday, South Korea Hanwha Aerospace has released launch ceremony of the K239 Chunmoo MLRS with the KTSSM-II Block-I (tactical ballistic missile) pods for Poland.
K239 Chunmoo MLRS is highly advanced, mass produced platform. Chunmoo-II and III(Hyunmoo-2A, B TEL…

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226

Twitter · Aug 3, 2023, 8:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FzgESkJ4GM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/YuruPanzerkampf/status/1687076725417447424

Yuru △ 🐬 🇫🇷 (@YuruPanzerkampf)

"You cannot fund the French military-industrial complex by buying plushies, that's ridicu-"
Dassault :

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1299

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226

Twitter · Aug 3, 2023, 12:23 PM

[tough quail]

SOLD

[subtle prawn]

(TIL Dassult sells official merch of their stuff)

[desert agate]

Because it was better than the alternatives on the market

The Taipan is an exceptionally capable platform and vastly superior to the Black Hawk, and the Taipan contract allowed for more local industry support (which never happened)

Issue is that if on paper specifications defined a platform then the Germans would likely have done a lot better in WW2

[manic latch]

Interesting how delays on replacement can cause deaths elsewhere

Imagine if Black Hawk was replaced much before and Australia bought those instead

[desert agate]

Fact is we're stuck with black hawk anyway

[manic latch]

True

V 280 has like 10 year or so

[desert agate]

Which is very dumb but we have no alternative

Mid in all respects but the only good platform for us is the Taipan

[humble mulch]

Lockheed and Raytheon need to fucking get on this

[tough quail]

the store has a shitload of models in export configuration and liveries too

which is dope

[spring briar]

I WANT

[supple sandal]

God damn it

[supple sandal]

Samsung

[shrewd pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[autumn sorrel]

I.... I want 1 of those

[autumn sorrel]

What? Lazerpig gonna give more bad example and bad faith attempt in depicting systems on T-14 again?

[manic latch]

If he does personal attacks it will be auto loss for him which I expect from Pig ngl

I wonder if he will also respond to ConeofArc as well

[autumn sorrel]

It will be hilarious if it is his respond to RedEffect video

[manic latch]

It %100 for Red Effect

ConeOfArc only briefly spoke about his wrongs

[autumn sorrel]

Considering how knowledge Red are in Soviet tank, it will be fun to watch

[manic latch]

I knew Pig was too prideful to let this slip

Easy to talk when nobody denies your claims

[autumn sorrel]

"Same V-12 on T-34"

[manic latch]

"Her engine comes from Ww2 Germans because they are both X design"

[autumn sorrel]

That line alone is enough to discredit everything he said said bc it was the simplest thing to research on

I never like Pig style

[manic latch]

Can't wait for his next take

[autumn sorrel]

Stats and number are boring to put in video but over exaggeration and severely demeaning other is kinda low bar

[manic latch]

"Su-57 use engine of Yak-3"

[autumn sorrel]

I used to put it up as Pig trying to be edgy but he just like that

[manic latch]

I wouldn't have minded it if he wasn't a picky eater

Picky eater? Bully easy thinks you know you would get easy likes, A-10, anything from Russia, Likely Chinese stuff in future

Oh and Ww2 Germans

[autumn sorrel]

Red also getting into that a few year ago, his tank comparison videos is kinda clickbait but his recent content is improving

Man, his video about that upgrade pack from Kharkiv plant is hilarious

T-55 turret on T-64 hull

[tough quail]

i dont want to imagine the combination of lazerpig and kharkovites

[autumn sorrel]

"Kharkovites"?

[manic latch]

Kharkov fanbase

T-64 worshippers

They don't like non Kharkov made tanks

[tough quail]

oh no i mean the kharkov plant themselves

because they make the weirdest nightmare bullshit

[manic latch]

At least the things they made has a base

Pig ignores such base

[autumn sorrel]

What is the Soviet equivalent of coke? Engineers at Kharkov plant seem to have them in abundant

[tough quail]

giraffe shilka isn't real, giraffe shilka can't hurt you

giraffe shilka:

...jesus christ is that a T-80UD hull actually

[autumn sorrel]

Pig talk shit on Russian tanks but conveniently forgot who also use Soviet based tanks

[autumn sorrel]

It is even more curse then

Holy, what were they thinking?

[tough quail]

kharkov be like

you know what our SPAAs need?

a fucking battleship barbette

[autumn sorrel]

What is on the side? Strella?

[tough quail]

i think so, yeah

[autumn sorrel]

They welled them on, WTF?

Why the barbette though?

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Kharkov

Just realised

This battle was a good example on how to beat clean Wehrmacht myth of Wehraboos

"Subsequently, the Germans arrested approximately 200 civilians, mainly Jews, and hanged them from large building balconies. Another 1,000 people were taken hostage and interned in the Hotel International on Dzerzhinsky Square. These war crimes were committed by frontline Wehrmacht commanders and not by SS troops"

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, Schupo was perfectly accepted and helped by the Wehrmacht to pacify their occupation zone

Some individual soldier maybe clean but definitely not the higher up

[manic latch]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/us-navy-submariner-recalls-that-time-a-sailor-had-a-mental-break-aboard-his-boat-during-covert-ops-and-ripped-off-parts-of-one-of-the-cabinets-that-provided-backup-control-of-the-nuclear-reactor/

starts ripping reactor apart

[autumn sorrel]

How?

[manic latch]

Nah the the cut makes it look like it's the main reactor

He rips cabinet parts that's backup for reactor

[autumn sorrel]

So just sensationalize stuff?

Krem, Strb 90 or Raptor?

[manic latch]

Raptor duh

8 knots faster

And has 8 Kornet

[autumn sorrel]

Oh yeah, where are the mount pic for that?

[autumn sorrel]

Well, I thought it was in the mid ship

[humble mulch]

Imo the best example is actually Romania

Antisemitism was far more fucking bottom up then top down then people realize

To a point where German and Romanian commanders would have to hold back Romanian Forces from entering any towns until the Germans had taken it

[tough quail]

elaborate

[humble mulch]

About the Romanians?

Yeah it was
Beyond fucked

Yall know the specific SS groups (eizengruppen D iirc) or some shit? Yeah Romania fucking had one specifically made for them, and their reports are really bad. Romanian troops never asked questions and were pretty eager to hand over whoever they had to them, whether or not they were actually Jewish or not.

They had many issues at the start of the war as Romanian troops would start witch hunts and rob whoever they deemed an Jew when they entered towns past the territory they'd originally lost. This cause them to be generally slower then german forces

Thus command went hey don't send them into towns. This also caused a series of orders allowing Frontline officers to do on the spot trials to execute troops for horrible acts, sadly I've only read of 2 reports where an officer on the front did this

Any Soviet citizens who resited were labeled as jews, this included partisans and the like

Grant T Howard's Romanians Holy War is the source, and its most recent Romania ww2 history book published in English. I read it back when it was just his college dissertation

Think last year actually I was talking about it

[tough quail]

jesus

thats

Yikes

[wintry moat]

Question

why did the French go with 13.5s for Dunky and Straus?

Was their any rhyme or reason?

[manic latch]

Same reason they went 340mm for Lyon

[wintry moat]

oh did the French go by Mm?

*metric

[manic latch]

Inch is British

What you think

[wintry moat]

fair

So was it just, this sounds like a good caliber

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, Pig is being cherry picking and go around without addressing criticism

[spring briar]

Dunk and Stras used 13”

Not 13.5

[wintry moat]

Oh

I am the stupid

my bad

[spring briar]

13.5” is the gun used in British BC’s and dreadnoughts

Like the iron duke class

Or the Queen Mary

[wintry moat]

I dunno how I got that mixed up

but why did they choose 13s when ships had moved to 14, 15 and 16 inch?

[spring briar]

Because 13” was perfect to counter the Deutschlands

While still delivering a powerful punch to larger ships

[wintry moat]

Oh

Ok

[thorn trail]

so why do many interwar US cruisers have the weird rectangular boxy turrets?

[manic latch]

This series of 8" (20.3 cm) guns were very heavy when compared to most other 8" (20.3 cm) guns for reasons that are not readily apparent.

Rammer does look long

[thorn trail]

Not just the 8in guns

[manic latch]

Omaha 152mm ye

[thorn trail]

the CLs also look very boxy turrets as well

[strong plank]

Might’ve been a weight saving measure?

[wintry moat]

Or simpler to construct?

[desert agate]

Armour casting technology simply didn't exist at the scale to make more complex shapes, and welding technology was also far from great, so flat sides were just the easiest and most reliable thing to do

[tough quail]

"a challenger 2 is more survivable than a T-72"

[cinder escarp]

I see you found my post )))

[alpine onyx]

I wouldn't call them notoriously heavy. A 250t (83t per gun) triple turret compared to the 225-240t twin on the Counties (110-120t per gun) or a 175t on the Takaos (87t per gun) or 180t on Suffren (90t per gun) is reasonable for the time.

I'd guess the turret shape was necessary due to the entire middle of the turret being used up by the guns in a common craddle. You still need other equipment in a turret, and that you may place next to the guns.

A redesign into the three gun turret allowed a slimmer design, with that ungodly face plate armor and otherwise also heavily improved. And all that for a mere 40t increase

[strong plank]

Aren’t the chally 2 charge bins filled with water or something

surely it’s at least a little better than the whole uh

ring of death

[tough quail]

its mildly more effective than slapping a sticky note on your ammo that says "please don't blow up"

and the t-72 carousel is relatively small and low in the hull

as opposed to the

err

Throne Of Ammunition

[strong plank]

I mean I’d assume having the charge and shells stored separately and having the charges separated into wet containers of 5 offers some advantage

[autumn sorrel]

It wasn’t the carousel that the problem, T series tank also have rounds and charge store inside of the tank, outside of the carousel.

[strong plank]

like at least there’s something between the crew and the ammunition

and wouldn’t the separate boxes mean that if one cooks off, they don’t all cook off

[tough quail]

it offers an "advantage" being lesss likely to blow up if theres, like, an active fire in the tank

if they get hit

you're dead

the dilemma comes from it being damn near impossible not to hit them if you hit the hull

..also a challenger hull being about as well armored as your average honda civic but i digress

[autumn sorrel]

Ah we talking about Pig now?

[strong plank]

Are we?

[tough quail]

oh no i just saw that picture of challenger ammo stowage and thought back to arguing with tato

and now my sides are in fucking orbit

[strong plank]

was there a new vid or something

[autumn sorrel]

Pig calling someone else drama queen while also being a drama queen

[tough quail]

i didnt know before today that chally ammo stowage was even worse than like

merkava stowage

[strong plank]

Also please tell me this isn’t real

[tough quail]

its not

[autumn sorrel]

Actually way lower than that

And it is T-80 system

T-72 and T-90 use different carousel

[tough quail]

even the T-80/T-64 style is waaay lower than that

[strong plank]

Actually something I’ve found weird is how T-90M have that bit of bustle storage

Like wouldn’t that be more of a risk than anything

[tough quail]

no?

[autumn sorrel]

The bustle storage mean you no longer have additional rounds and charge inside the hull

[strong plank]

I mean when compared to like

[tough quail]

it's not physically connected to the inside of the tank

[strong plank]

A normal t90

[tough quail]

it's just a container for extra ammo to reload out of battle if needed

iirc its to totally replace the extra racks in the tank

[strong plank]

Instead of having the ammo down and low

it’s now more exposed

[tough quail]

if it blows up outside of the turret it

doesnt matter

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, have less chance for a cook off while still allow you to carry more rounds

[strong plank]

yeah it’s not gonna kill the crew but like

your ammo’s just cooked off

[autumn sorrel]

No? It have blow out panel like everyone else bustle storage

[tough quail]

its

just 8 rounds

[strong plank]

It’s more exposed as in

it’s in the less-armored turret bustle, and not the hull

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, we were complaining about Chally 3 rounds rack as well

[tough quail]

[strong plank]

Like I get the principle

[autumn sorrel]

Better than a cook off inside the hull

[tough quail]

why the fuck would you want to keep more ammo that can cook off in your tank that isn;t in the carousel

[strong plank]

yeah but that’s it though

The carousel is still there

[tough quail]

....

you realize the carousel is a very small part of the silhouette right

and the extra rounds

are much larger in how they need to be stored

[autumn sorrel]

Carousel is very hard to hit and on T-90M, they are armored to a certain extent

[cinder escarp]

You do realize that all of the pancake tanks store extra rounds everywhere?

You have to have some spares.

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, that’s the reason why their crew often not fully loaded the storage and the reason why T-90M upgrade were design

[cinder escarp]

The carousels themselves on the 72s/90s are fairly safe, most kabooms are the spare ammo.

[tough quail]

i mean the goompy ass hull racks too

[cinder escarp]

The 72Bs and 90 have a 30mm HHA plate over the carousels

64/80s are the most vulnerable, their carousels not only stack charges vertically but they are hydraulic.

[autumn sorrel]

Another reason to dunk on T-64

[cinder escarp]

all of the spares are up in the fuel tank front right

like a 55 or 62

[tough quail]

ye

[cinder escarp]

80s have the carousel and fuel stowage of the 64, but the turret loose spares of the 72

[manic latch]

Also yeah

T-90M's back head is a basket for extra ammo that's not in carousel

And as other said carousel problem is overrated because how low the damn tank is with it

Like you have to hit somewhere around here and compared to Abrams gives you idea about the hard part

Hell I wonder how much Armor Abrams have at same hit location

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-QnSqeLbB0

[upbeat cedar]

Nah Just Shoot at the back of the turret

[limber dune]

Literally the Romanian meme

[grave ravine]

T-64 based heavy IFV (yes it's wheeled)

[autumn sorrel]

Same hull?

[grave ravine]

Yes

Same drivetrain too, but they moved around a bunch of it

It's goofy as hell

[autumn sorrel]

Seem under firepower

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCMD715-NE

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1687510103933558786

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1960, the decommissioned HMS Vanguard was on her way to the breakers yard when she apparently decided to go for a final pint. The Royal Navy's last battleship ran aground next to the Still & West pub in Portsmouth. It took an hour for 5 tugs to pull her away.

Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

[desert agate]

One of those pictures that helps put into perspective the sheer size of these ships

[manic latch]

Yosh

[autumn sorrel]

Nakhimov?

[manic latch]

Pyotr

[supple sandal]

Is that warthunder

[subtle prawn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ox3Xf2Gb8dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ETjguV7Xw

[manic latch]

Aselsan next gen tank concept

Surprise surprise

Unmanned turret like Armata, AbramsX, Kf-51

[shrewd pecan]

kf-51 has a manned turret I'm pretty sure

[manic latch]

Oh did she

Ah

Loader gone

[warm finch]

Alright can someone just explain to me why people didn't stick to the soviet designation of heavy nuclear cruiser and started calling it a battlecruiser?

[manic latch]

description arises from their over 24,000-tonne (24,000-long-ton) displacement, which is roughly equal to that of a First World War battleship and more than twice the displacement of contemporary cruisers; upon entry into service, Kirov was the largest surface combatant to be built since World War II.

[warm finch]

I get that but isn't the whole deal with nothing being called a battleship/battlecruiser that, it's straight up just outdated?

[manic latch]

Then the destroyer term is outdated as well. Since first destroyers look nothing like current ones

[warm finch]

A battleship is no longer used because it is outdated compared to just buying a bigger cruiser that can likely carry as much or more ordnance that can go further. Same with a destroyer. We still have a use for those. Not for battleships or battlecruisers. Hence I think calling the Kirovs battlecruisers is unfair.

[tough quail]

a bigger cruiser is a battlecruiser

[warm finch]

Depends who you ask.

[tough quail]

battleship/cruiser has literally no correlation to guns in actuality

[warm finch]

The British would call it something with the armament of a battleship but the armour of a cruiser.
The Germans would call it something with the armament of a cruiser but the armour of a battleship.

[tough quail]

a modern battleship would just be a huge DDG with an appropriately huge missile suite

...so, Kirov, basically

[warm finch]

With Oxford defining it as "a large warship of a type built in the early 20th century, carrying similar armament to a battleship but faster and more lightly armoured."

But that's not the concept we associate with a battleship. And we also consider the concept rightfully outdated. Hence why I think calling it a BB or a BC is either misleading or outright doing it a disservice.

[manic latch]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8385-development-hms-renown-battlecruiser-en

Happi happi happi

The ship is modelled for War Thunder in her latest upgrade, with a 229 mm armoured belt, as well as a 102mm armoured deck.

Same belt armor with Alaska and Kronshtadt

[wintry moat]

I’m gonna try to get her

I want the Brit BCs

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1687617535238078464

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In the 1970s, the Royal Navy created a canal fleet consisting of narrow boats designed to resemble a County-class destroyer, a Type 42 destroyer, a Leander-class frigate, and a Resolution-class submarine. The fleet toured England as part of a recruiting campaign.
#FunFactFriday

Twitter · Aug 5, 2023, 12:12 AM

[manic latch]

https://www.al-monitor.com/pro/memos/france-challenges-us-defense-industry-middle-east-rafale-fighter-jet-sales-outshine-f-35

[tough quail]

🥖

[grave ravine]

One might suppose they are not buying F-35 because the US refuses to sell it to them

The UAE's and Turkey's experiences have informed everyone else in the region

[supple sandal]

Tank in 1918: I'd rather not enter urban enviroment.

Tank in 2118: I'd rather not enter urban environment.

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/2805662/status/1687631653508927488?t=ulN-XPrzoWkHUuCaKuqASg&s=19

Gregory Knowles (@2805662)

Australian Army UH-60M being delivered.
📸 social media

Twitter · Aug 5, 2023, 1:08 AM

[strong plank]

The F-35 also imposes more of a burden

not just in upkeep and cost but the stuff you don’t think about

like anywhere F-35s are deployed to needs secure facilities to process the data they generate

Whereas the Rafale’s a rather capable 4th gen in its own right, and comes with fewer strings attached

[autumn sorrel]

Is that… a hull mounted machine gun?

[tough quail]

what the shit

[strong plank]

Forget that

What are those sponson tubes

[tough quail]

i blame kharkov for this

[supple sandal]

We're back to inter-war design

[eternal veldt]

Arrestor wires humans

[desert agate]

Aren't those just police officers?

[tough quail]

off to plane jail

[eternal veldt]

Plane was over speed limit

[desert agate]

drunk flyers arent the problem in this navy

its the drunk crashers who are a problem

[eternal veldt]

Arrest the Japanese for drinking sake before flying then /s

[wintry moat]

Did they take the 40k approach to tank design?

[warm finch]

This one fortunately doesn´t have methed up superhumans in it, so presumably not?

[autumn sorrel]

Did I miss something?

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/DefenceAust/status/1687408497812455424?s=20

[wispy iron]

https://youtu.be/L0HfcP-yRH8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgHtzG-AOPw

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIrtPM_Y_tw

[manic latch]

@tough quail 2S18 PAT-S

It's history goes back to 80s

"What if we made BMP-3 hull into SPG"

It got 152mm artillery turret

On a modified Bmp-3 hull

[autumn sorrel]

Does it have autoloader like MSTA?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1687879921765388288

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1999, a judge ruled against a man who had sued Pepsi to claim a Marine AV-8 Harrier II offered as a prize in a 1996 commercial. The man had accumulated the 7,000,000 "Pepsi Points" needed to win the jet featured in the ad, but Pepsi said the offer was an obvious joke.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 5, 2023, 5:35 PM

[supple sandal]

Fucking bullshit

Give the man his Harrier

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1687925671736066048

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945 (19:15 ET), the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Among the 140,000 Japanese killed were several American PoWs including Navy Airman Normand Brissette. He survived the blast but died 2 weeks later. Details of his fate were classified until the 1970s.

Twitter · Aug 5, 2023, 8:36 PM

[manic latch]

My kind of poster

[eternal veldt]

Aerial of USS Saratoga (CV 3) en-route to Rabaul Island, November 1943. Photographed by Lieutenant Wayne Miller.

[manic latch]

@tough quail T-72 chassis with ZA-35 SPAAG turret from the early 1990s. ZA-35 was developed in South Africa. Originally tested on Rooikat, it is armed with 2 35mm M-35 guns.

[tough quail]

Based???

[subtle prawn]

World War Two
World War Two
12 hours ago
Early morning on 5 August 1944, over 1,000 Japanese prisoners of war escape from a camp near Cowra, New South Wales, Australia.

No. 12 Prisoner of War Compound is around 314 km (195 mi) west of Sidney. The camp has grown consistently, now covering an area of around 30 hectares (74 acres), divided into four compounds. At the beginning of August, around 4,000 POWs were in the camp, of which half are Italians and the rest are Japanese, Korean, and Formosan.

Security has been tightened since a Korean prisoner named Takeo Matsumoto tipped the guards off in June that the Japanese prisoners were planning an escape. While Australian military authorities have not taken the threat too seriously, two Vickers machine guns, extra rifles, Owen and Bren guns, and ammunition have been distributed among the guards.

Despite becoming overcrowded, the camp has been operating per the Geneva Conventions, and conditions have been quite good. Nevertheless, tensions exist between the guards and Japanese prisoners because of cultural differences and a perception of dishonor regarding surrender to the Allies.

At 0200 hours today, Japanese officers sound a bugle, and 1,104 Japanese POWs rush out of their barracks and huts, armed with improvised blades and baseball bats, lighting the barracks on fire. They begin crossing the barbed wire using blankets as protection.

Privates Ben Hardy and Ralph Jones run out in their pajamas to man the Vickers guns and kill dozens of prisoners before realizing they will be overrun. At the last second, before he and Pvt. Jones are killed, Pvt. Hardy removes the bolt and throws it away to prevent the escapees from using them.

More guards soon run out and begin firing at the prisoners.

By dawn, 231 Japanese POWs are dead, and another 107 are wounded, but 334 escape.

Over the next nine days, all but a few prisoners who will take their own lives or be shot by farmers will be recaptured and returned to the camp. They will not harm any civilians, as was agreed by the officers, but they will kill two more Australian soldiers during the roundup.

Picture: Cowra, NSW. 1944-07-01. Japanese prisoners of war practising baseball

Source: AWM 067168

[manic latch]

I just realised Invictus looks like a fish and I can't forget it

[tough quail]

Mmm fishe

[wintry moat]

Thought that emblem on the side was a Decepticon logo

My brain is too tired for this

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1688088977021288448

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

General Dynamics recently unveiled its newest AbramsX main battle tank to the public at GDLS Maneuver Collaboration Center in Sterling Heights, where the division is headquartered. (Wyne Flores)
The 60-ton AbramsX has a 120mm unmanned turret and the crew of three.

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301

Twitter · Aug 6, 2023, 7:25 AM

[gloomy current]

Would pair well with the F2000

[gloomy current]

While i highly doubt it will enter service, its a very interesting tech demonstrator

[autumn sorrel]

Krem, what was the Soviet army field uniform and camo in '67?

[tough quail]

pretty sure it will unless the US cancels the program for the umpteenth time

but God they have to have learned by now

[gloomy current]

its not an army program

[tough quail]

? Yes it is

flight testing starts next year iirc

and it's only competition is a dumpster fire

[versed tree]

why was the uss washington called fallen angel

Does that have any meaning?

[junior trench]

horse

you're responding to an AbramsX post

[versed tree]

wat

me ist not understand

[autumn sorrel]

AbramX is kinda on and off

Either Congress want them or SEP5

[autumn sorrel]

Are you mistaking AbramX with Booker?

[tough quail]

...oh wait nevermind

[autumn sorrel]

Lol, Horse is baka

[tough quail]

My wires got crossed with him talking about the stupid fish Comanche right above

and just crossed the zoomer Abrams out

[autumn sorrel]

We EN truly have reading comprehension

[tough quail]

yeah I should not be trying to talk about shit while half asleep on my couch

I don't even want to know how a post cold war Abrams replacement rfp would go

[autumn sorrel]

US military don't seem really want to give up the chassis, even AbramX look more like a heavily upgrade Abram

[tough quail]

tbf that thing is so internally gutted it might as well be a new chassis

all that's left internally is like, the suspension and the physical walls

they'd need to completely redesign the front plate and where the fuel goes to make space for the crew compartment for example

anyway I want some asshole to just submit a modern mbt-70

[autumn sorrel]

I don't like the idea of placing the driver inside the turret, so dizzying

[tough quail]

I love the idea of FUCK UNMANNED TURRETS

UNMANNED HULL

[dusty kraken]

drone tanks time

next we have UNMANNED MAN

[spring briar]

Horse

Let’s raid harper’s ferry

[tough quail]

bitchin'

[frozen kestrel]

Quick Question: Anyone know what kind of aircraft were stationed on the Akagi? As far as I recall, I think it was Zeros, Vals, and Kates, but I could be wrong.

[unborn wyvern]

Can uhh can I come??? 😳

[manic latch]

What year

[spring briar]

Pick up yer Kentucky rifle

We’re leaving

[frozen kestrel]

1941-1942

[strong plank]

Any Abrams replacement will need some sort of new hull design to accommodate the sort of capabilities the army wants

1980s tanks weren’t designed to hold the sort of processing power that’ll be required

[shrewd pecan]

I don't think

abrams X is ever gonna be anything more than a tech demo

[strong plank]

It’s GDLS’ way of saying “put me in coach I’m ready”

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1688277852343447553

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Sailors on USS Lapon (SSN-661) with spare change could get a drink from the sub's Coke machine or try their luck with the one-armed bandit. The Lapon was one of the few subs to have its own slot machine installed on board. The proceeds went to the crew's slush fund.
#SubSunday

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Twitter · Aug 6, 2023, 7:56 PM

[manic latch]

Taiwan 240mm

[eternal veldt]

Its those, pretty much standard fare for Japanese CVs at the time.

[random trench]

That’s the funny part

No

I saw that the war thunder devs just recently told the war thunder community to not leak documents in their latest trailer I think

Also

Tank man at another angle

Shit looks so hard

[junior trench]

Rip

Your sacrifice will be remembered

[subtle prawn]

Le Malin coming alongside the fast battleship Dunkerque during an underway replenishment exercise on 22 March 1940. (Philippe Caresse collection)

[manic latch]

[autumn sorrel]

R.I.P Mochi. -1000000000 social credits score

[tiny talon]

Was it Richelieu or JB that had a planned CV Refit?

[tough quail]

JB, though its less "planned" and more "delusional napkin drawing"

[manic latch]

She would be scrapped few years later than normal

[tough quail]

i'll scrap your bitch ass

[manic latch]

Only Soyuz is allowed to do that

[spring briar]

No

[zealous vine]

saw this in a cold war edit, who still used armored trains??

[limber dune]

If not the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia most likely

[desert agate]

the Soviets maintained their armoured trains for a while

theyve even popped up again more recently in the place that shall not be named

[autumn sorrel]

When face with guerrilla warfare and chance that your train convoy maybe get ambush then armored train sound a lot more reasonable

[strong plank]

I feel like that kinda stops being a good idea once guided munitions came about

[desert agate]

in contested environments they can be useful for deploying troops and providing heavy gunfire support at short notice

Facing the threat of Chinese cross-border raids during the Sino-Soviet split, the USSR developed armoured trains in the early 1970s to protect the Trans-Siberian Railway. According to different accounts, four or five trains were built. Every train included ten main battle tanks, two light amphibious tanks, several AA guns, as well as several armoured personnel carriers, supply vehicles and equipment for railway repairs. They were all mounted on open platforms or in special rail cars. Different parts of the train were protected with 5–20 mm thick armour. These trains were used by the Soviet Army to intimidate nationalist paramilitary units in 1990 during the early stages of the First Nagorno-Karabakh War

[wintry moat]

So

I had someone ask who would win in a fight between Japan and Britain in 1941

I personally say Britain

[desert agate]

Japan would wipe the floor with Britain

Britain has neither airwing capacity on its carriers, nor the capability from its carrier aircraft to achieve anything less than a short and decisive defeat

[wintry moat]

I definitely agree with you there

Britains carrier based aircraft are shit

[desert agate]

and Britains individual surface units are in large part inferior to their Japanese counterparts, even if Japan is outnumbered, outside of a few exceptions such as light cruisers and battleships

Britain has the superior battleships but Japan has no need to commit to a surface action when Britains carriers would last all of 5 minutes against Kido Butai and British AA was atrocious

[wintry moat]

fair

[desert agate]

Britains only hope is if maybe the Renowns can get close enough to Kido Butai to take out Kaga and the Soryuus but that would rely exclusively on the Kongous not also providing escort for Kido Butai which they tended to do

[wintry moat]

fair

Which means Renown and Repulse would have to face down all of Kito Butai AND Kongos

[desert agate]

alternatively Japan could blunder such as they did in the Indian Ocean raid and sail their carriers straight into the British battle line, but outside of that you're not going to see the odds in Britains favour

[wintry moat]

Part of the reason is that I don't see France and US just standing on the sidelines

there would be support from them would they not?

Not saying the outright join

[desert agate]

depending on Japans task force composition, it would be a 2v2 Renowns vs Kongous while the carriers run

[spiral cedar]

I mean, in 1941, France ain’t exactly helping

[desert agate]

the odds there would be in the Renowns favour but not by much

[wintry moat]

Lemme ask them for a clarification

[desert agate]

I was under the impression this was Britain vs Japan

not Allies vs Japan

[wintry moat]

I've been operating under the assumption the Germany isn't fucking about rn

[spiral cedar]

Is WWII ongoing?

[wintry moat]

Lemme ask

That is a big factor

[spiral cedar]

Does the Kriegsmarine exist? Keep in mind the UK would need to retain some of its heavy units in home waters even if not at war

[desert agate]

if France is involved in the naval theatre it gives the Allies 2 more fast battleships and a wholly superior cruiser force, but they still stand no chance against Kido Butai

[spiral cedar]

Is it a surprise war?

[wintry moat]

For now, lets say Germany and Italy haven't started shit

[desert agate]

also are we going off of the on paper strength of the Royal Navy in 1941 or are we ignoring wartime losses such as Ark Royal, Hood, Glorious, etc

[wintry moat]

and Hostilities have built between Britian and Japan

the War breaks out in 41

[spiral cedar]

Like if Germany is in a state of civil war at this point and poses no threat (and if the USSR is not being belligerent in the Nordic regions for related reasons) then Britain can afford to move a lot more of its ground and air forces to the relevant theaters (India, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc.) that can help blunt the overwhelming aerial advantage Japan enjoyed IRL

[wintry moat]

For the sake of my own sanity

[desert agate]

Ark Royal is, I would note, the only Royal Navy carrier that on a 1-1 basis can stand toe to toe with any individual carrier of Kido Butai

[wintry moat]

No war losses on either side

[desert agate]

but her airgroup is entirely lacking in individual capability

[wintry moat]

say Japan started with raiding Singapore or Hong Kong

[desert agate]

if the war starts in 1941 Britain also hasn't learnt a lot of its wartime lessons yet

HACS is still atrocious, commanders still entirely underestimate their opponents, magnetic torpedoes don't work, etc

[wintry moat]

Apart of what i said Britain has a chance is that Japan can't really strike Britian homeland

[desert agate]

what are Japans war aims

[wintry moat]

seems like the other guy went to bed so idk

[desert agate]

unlike the US, Britain, while it certainly cares about its colonies, could simply accept that Malaya, Hong Kong and perhaps Ceylon are untennable positions and simply surrender them to Japan

Britain isn't going to fight to the death over that

[alpine onyx]

British HACS will continue to demand tracers for heavy AA, to rely on Mk I eyeball instead

[spiral cedar]

The other aspect is the political will on both sides, yes. Britain has greater industrial capability on paper but it will take time to leverage it against Japan after the likely initial losses. Is this an existential fight for Britain, or is it willing to give up a colony to protect its overall security in the all-important European theater?

[desert agate]

is Japan also tied up in China?

[wintry moat]

that's something I brought up as well

[desert agate]

because if that's the case then realistically Britain only needs to ensure the security of Australia and return its attention to Europe

[wintry moat]

That's what I was thinking

That China happened

[desert agate]

losing Malaya is economically painful but not going to destroy Britain

[wintry moat]

if this starts out as say Japan tried to pearl harbor Britian

I'm not an expert on anything

not gonna pretend like I am

[desert agate]

if theres low tensions in Europe we can expect the Eastern Fleet to be quite strong, but not the bulk of British strength

[wintry moat]

I was thinking this has been brewing for a while

That they had been harrasing Trade and being a dick to the brits

maybe over the whole getting fucked at the Peace talks

Not allowing Japan a seat at the world power table

[desert agate]

mainly just cruisers, maybe Hermes, possibly a courageous and likely a QE or two

or some of the newer Rs

hardly a challenge for Japan to destroy, but also not ships that Britain couldn't afford to lose while its main force transits to Asia

[wintry moat]

I getcha

[desert agate]

harassing British trade isnt something the Brits tended to take lightly

the Italians sunk a few British merchants during the early days of the Spanish Civil war and the Brits responded by threatening to sink every single submarine in the Med

[spiral cedar]

Now what if it’s Britain that surprise attacks Japan instead

[wintry moat]

Depends what they hit right?

[desert agate]

KGVs bombarding Etajima while the QEs sail into Tokyo Bay

[wintry moat]

Say this expands to Japan for reasons wants Australia

and it goes all out

US v Japan Style where neither will compromise on losing ground

[desert agate]

why would Japan want Australia

theres like

nothing here

[wintry moat]

Fair

[desert agate]

the massive iron ore reserves werent discovered until post war

[spiral cedar]

Does this involve the Netherlands?

[wintry moat]

I'm just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks

[desert agate]

our biggest exports were agricultural goods and coal

and yeah sure Japans gotta import food but they had Manchuria and Korea for that

[wintry moat]

So what I gather is that Britain would get roughed the fuck up by Japan

if it came down to US v Japan style war

For whatever reasons

[desert agate]

unless Britain has the political will to absorb significant losses and stay in the fight until victory, they arent likely to win

[wintry moat]

I getcha

Cool

I kinda figured Britain would take heavy loss

especially during the early phases

considering what they fielded on carriers

[fierce sparrow]

full size mock up of the LK 10372

[warm finch]

Iam sure this is how 7 year old me would draw an Abrams

[subtle prawn]

Volta in late 1939. (US Navy NH 86546, courtesy of A D Baker III)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VkcQEbN0QY

[manic latch]

How U-boat dives model

[warm finch]

Submarines are all around fascinating.

The doctrines, the hardware, the sailors. It feels like there´s always something to learn.

[manic latch]

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/08/without-doors-army-eyeing-fixes-to-ivas-mixed-reality-trainer/

[shrewd pecan]

probably needs like

another decade in the oven

[frozen kestrel]

Since when did fucking wall hacks become part of basic training?

[random trench]

My fiancée’s brother’s best friend is a submariner

He was on an Ohio class sub

Never talked about his deployment, still doesn’t

Just says he was on it

[warm finch]

Oh I never said a deployment would be pleasant, nor particularly comfortable. I just find the whole thing fascinating.

[random trench]

Fr

Just cool

Submarines are cool

Thank you da Vinci (I think?)

[sullen canyon]

When clipping was an issue I guess?

[warm finch]

Russian submarines in particular were almost made by the rule of cool. Hell the Typhoon class apparently has a fucking sauna!

[random trench]

Rule of cool subs are funny

Just saw a video of this Egyptian army dude in 2017 running over a suicide bomber car with an M60 tank like it was nothing

Dude in the car must have had a very painful death

[warm finch]

Yeah. Apparently there´s a whole thing with people who drive/command tanks and aircraft where they feel invincible when inside. Gives a pretty dangerous god complex.

[random trench]

This is why anti tank mines are a thing

I’m also waiting for my fiancée so I’m here

[manic latch]

I love this prototype

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-222

Build from Titanium, she become the fastest submarine of world

44 knots underwater

The program's objectives were generally satisfied, but the government had failed to include a requirement to minimize the submarine's acoustic signature which meant that K-222 was easily detectable at high speed. The Soviet Navy rejected a plan to place the design into series production as its flaws outweighed its advantages, but it pioneered the technology needed to work with titanium on a large scale, which enabled the subsequent construction of more successful designs using titanium.

[warm finch]

Seems like she ditched the conning tower with windows. Not to boast but I consider that one an admittedly clever design choice.

Since, y´know, one of the only fleets that can effectively use submarines are the northern fleet and pacific fleet. It gets cold in the north, Vladivostok freezes over, pretty damn smart to add protection from the elements in my opinion.

[manic latch]

Many nuclear subs has top icebreaker capability

[warm finch]

Iam aware, that´s what makes the windows be such a smart addition.

[rapid junco]

Certainly

@warm finch Maybe you already know
But i'm going to ask it anyways

Did you know the existence of this?

[warm finch]

No... and I think I am suing because this id what I drew up back in 2009 when making my imaginary nations fleet

[manic latch]

You should see the P-2 then

UR worthy sub there

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUp-qGkQvNo

[rapid junco]

But you know it existed in real life, right?

I remember that someone posted that one on Drach's server
And people were like
"Ain't no way it existed, its too complex"

[warm finch]

Ah yes the years between WW2 and the Korean war, a breeding ground for wacky ideas and thank-you letters to god for not letting them get implemented.

[manic latch]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/japan-eyes-turning-c-2-cargo-jets-into-standoff-missile-carriers

[tough quail]

the fact chieftain made a video essentially politely calling lazerpig a dipshit is

really funny

[rapid junco]

Kek

I think i only watched one
Of his (lazerpig) videos
Which was about the Battle of Trindade between the Cap Trafalgar and Carmania

[junior trench]

you've gotta dig real deep with a goal to get that from what was said

[tough quail]

"that said, I'm inclined to speculate, for the record, that i think it's a bit of a stretch, given the publicly available data, to claim that one engine is any more related to another of a general similar design concept, given different slant angles, piston sizes and the like, than it is to claim that a type 212 submarine is related to a type 21 u-boat."

"now it's impossible to prove a negative in most cases, but i have seen nothing, after asking around a bit to indicate that a t14s engine is a derivative of a german ww2 engine beyond the most tenuous conceptual links"

man i wonder what the implication there is

(admittedly im not done with the video so maybe he 180s later, ill report back in like five minutes)

[autumn sorrel]

Pig linked to tank museum video about T-14 to prove his point about T-14 engine but even tank museum curator have to elaborate on why the og model of the engine was reject by the soviet even despite have more more power on paper.

Pig just being for dramatic and blame Soviet inept on why they copy German engine.

[manic latch]

He shouldn't have spoken about the engine because how unknown it is

[tough quail]

"if you are the creator in question for the love of god just adress the argument in detail

sorry pig in particular but whilst i accept that you have a style which is very popular and entertaining, on more academic disagreements i think you need to dial it back a bit and become a little bit more academic"

i wonder what chief meant by this

i just.. don't know

[autumn sorrel]

Pig spent 10 min in a 40 min video talk about the engine and his source while the rest of the video, he making the strawman out of his critics: "You attack me for clicks", "You consume Russian source and propaganda", "I don't really care even though I make a react video",....

[tough quail]

oh he just literally mentions my same argument

i.e

even if you build to the same general layout it's by literally no means the same layout

it's the ship of theseus on 80 years of MIC beatdowns

[manic latch]

makes nafo memes
blames other side of propaganda bias

[junior trench]

you really have no room to talk Krem

[manic latch]

Yeah imagine me making a video about criticizing F-35

[tough quail]

aight dial it back

[junior trench]

also like

[manic latch]

Is ok

Cleve Fren

[junior trench]

no

fuck off

creep

[autumn sorrel]

Pig continue his argument about the engine by saying it just the same engine with a super charger, completely ignore the fact that the modifications to the engine to deal with the power output and new components basically make it a completely different engine

[tough quail]

(also technically his example is wrong because iirc the m48 is a downscaled m103 and not really an m47 follow on)

[shrewd pecan]

[tough quail]

also i have no idea how i forgot to mention this earlier but like

wanking over alloys and shit aside

the T-14s has four less cylinders and is watercooled

like

?????????

does lazerpig even know what an engine is

these engines are exactly the same

[shrewd pecan]

it was

the most bizarre point to go on a tangent enough

when the T-14s drivers position was more than enough

[tough quail]

im just kind of baffled by how obviously wrong it is at this point despite needing this much discourse

[shrewd pecan]

it's like the most baffling point

all he had to do was just

point at lack of drivers cameras or thermal imager

compare it to any western MBT with that

[strong plank]

Or even just

Not include the engine bit

As the rest of the video was pretty solid from what I remember

[tough quail]

anyway fuck all that noise

discuss how cool these things are

[manic latch]

Why have 2 mini mortar when you can have single large one

It's like doing twin 88mm instead single 128mm

[tough quail]

they're both 120s

also its for MRSI shenanigans

because getting hit by 10 rounds at once is really funny

[manic latch]

See

Problem is

10km range

I don't know

Artillery sounds more useful

[tough quail]

if you shit on this you shit on nonas too

[desert agate]

I miss the V6 Barra

[tough quail]

and that will not be tolerated

im a v6 shill in general lately

[desert agate]

Incredibly reliable and easy to maintain (there's instances of these lasting for hundreds of thousands of kms with only basic maintenance)

[junior trench]

the funny Toyota inline 4s from the '00s are fucking immortal

[desert agate]

When stock, as powerful as a V8 of equivalent size

When turbo charged they go literally insane

People have put them in literally any car they can find

[tough quail]

[desert agate]

I really was gods gift

Maybe an overseas manufacturer will realise the worth of this massively powerful taxi engine and start manufacturing it again

[tough quail]

incredibly incredibly different field but

tipo f163 my beloved

[desert agate]

There was a V8 Barra too but we don't talk about that one

[tough quail]

i am a simple boy

give me a v12 or chop it in half

[junior trench]

to pe-

[desert agate]

I wish we still built cars

[junior trench]

hit rn:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493861626525515777/905436625700552804/RDT_20211103_1052154898811763627580541.gif

[desert agate]

So true

[shrewd pecan]

saturates the area and lets the vehicle rapidly relocate after firing a quick burst

MRSI also ensures higher chance of killing enemy personnel

[junior trench]

that being said, the far common alternative is just have a larger quantity of less expensive vehicles which can't put out quite as many MRSI rounds oner a per vehicle basis

but that's the sort of thing reserved for militaries larger than the Nordics'

even if it does provide even better counter battery resistance

and equal or greater MRSI rounds in total

[tough quail]

however, consider

chunky twin barrels look cool

[somber knoll]

22RE?

[somber knoll]

Thought it was a barracuda for a sec then I see the Ford logo

[desert agate]

nah Ford Australia V6 Barra

best engine ever put in a commercial motor vehicle

[somber knoll]

Did the Falcon ever get it?

[desert agate]

AU Falcon yeah

and a couple of other versions

[somber knoll]

I'm not really familiar with aussie motor literature so I'm kinda blind with AU Fords.

Holden's a lot more recognizable to me because IDN imported a lot of them back then until the early eighties

[desert agate]

VT Commodore had a spectacular engine too

[somber knoll]

the VT had two different V8 versions. OG Holden one and the poggies LS1

[grave ravine]

No M48 was built as a follow on to M47

M103 was a heavy tank built with similar design principles

And shared powerpack

Which was kind of a problem, cuz the powerpack was inadequate for M103

[tough quail]

hmm fair enough, i remembered there being some bizarre situation where the M103 started first and kind of fed into the M48 backwards but it's been about a year since I did my patton hell crawl so i probably just started remembering wrong

[eternal veldt]

"Aircraft carrier"

[solid mango]

Well... It did carry it

[desert agate]

Swiss aircraft carrier

[somber knoll]

rad

[runic prairie]

Hold on, you’re onto something.

[manic latch]

@unkempt jungle

[autumn sorrel]

“Trust us when we said we are selling you the same lubricant oil we use in this fancy plane”

Man, ad never change

[manic latch]

God I would have purchased all waste fuel from Soyuz

[strong plank]

my grandpa worked on the xb-70 program

not sure in what capacity

[glass trail]

i am the xb70 program

i can confirm

[manic latch]

I like Xb-70 since it created Mig-25

[tough quail]

forbidden hind

[glass trail]

wth

[manic latch]

Ah the A model

First girl

Nasa Tu-144 can't hurt you

[tough quail]

its the helicopter equivalent of those early r o u n d shermans

unsettling

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

choose your fighter: flying forehead or the rotund one

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/amiya-arknights-arknights-anime-psycho-when-they-cry-gif-27043355

[manic latch]

Perfect camping vehicle

[autumn sorrel]

Beautiful

[manic latch]

I always liked Shaman

Underrated vehicle ngl

Her chasis is designed like a boat, so she is amphibious

Perfect couple car

[tough quail]

looks like a model out of cp77

i can dig it

[autumn sorrel]

I just want one those, convert it into a rv or hook up a small trailer behind it and go on for a road trip

[manic latch]

That would be the Karlmann King

[tough quail]

jesus christ

[manic latch]

The price starts at $1.85 million, for the standard version. It is the most expensive SUV in the world. It features a 6.8-liter V10 engine which produced 398 horsepower. However, because the Karlmann King weighs an abnormally-heavy 10,580 pounds (Without armor), its top speed is a mere 87 mph. The car features optional bullet proofing. Only 9 units will be built in Italy, however a larger, unknown number will be built in the United States in a modified and more standardized version.

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, who gonna need a 1.85 mil armored car?

[manic latch]

Same people who are willing the pay 30 million $ (estimated) for Rolls Royce boat tail

[autumn sorrel]

Fair enough

I never seen the need to pay so much for something that I might crash anyway

[manic latch]

Interesting note

Stalin was big admirer of US and British cars

[manic latch]

So this Zis-110 was basically Soviet copy of Packard Custom Super Eight

[autumn sorrel]

I still driving around my family 2018 Mazda CX5, never seen the need to replace it

[autumn sorrel]

Domestic or brit engine?

[manic latch]

Domestic

[autumn sorrel]

Engine up to spec? I heard a lot of problem with copied versions during Stalin industrialization era

[manic latch]

The heavily armored car's design was based on the American 1942 Packard Super Eight. The car weighed over 4 tonnes, windows made of glass nearly 8 cm (3 in) thick (each of which weighed over 200 kg (441 lb)) were powered by a hydraulic system. Its 6.0-liter (5,998 cm3 (366 in3)) straight-eight engine (an upgraded version of the ZIS-110 engine) generated 162 horsepower with a top speed of 121 km/h (75 mph).

Usage of this vehicle was seen in other countries, as Stalin donated a ZIS-115 to Chairman Mao Zedong due to the lack of armed Chinese vehicles suitable for the purpose of transporting high-ranking officials

So yes

It's a good vehicle

Only 32 models exist

Ah I forgot to mention

In 1935, knowing about Stalin’s passion for Packards, U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt gave the Soviet leader a gift – a white armored limousine, the Packard ‘Twelve’. At that time, it was the most advanced model, in terms of technical characteristics. It had a top speed of 130 km/h and a solid weight of 6 tons (just one door weighed 350 kg). Only one Packard was made with armor protection. And it was Stalin who got it.

[manic latch]

Likely was one of best gifts of Roosevelt

[autumn sorrel]

There is a Zis-155 on display in Hanoi

[manic latch]

It's just beautiful

[manic latch]

He did have many cars now when you think about it

Hirohito likely had the least impressive car among ww2 leaders. Mercedes-Benz 770K w07

You can see the Imperial sigil

[warm finch]

Stalin does look like a car buff.

[supple sandal]

Pic?

[autumn sorrel]

I am img ban

@humble mulch Does link to a news article count as ban evading for img ban?

[humble mulch]

Typically yes

[humble mulch]

Also the specific model Hirohito had was definitely not the best but it was still regarded as incredibly well with a bunch of really high people having it, only Hitlers buddies got the cooler ones in 1938 and Ion Antonescu's 770K W150 was bulletproof

Still not as dapper at that 6 wheeled one tho

That just goes to hard

[autumn sorrel]

6 wheeled?!!!

[autumn sorrel]

Which model is that?

[humble mulch]

Mercedes-Benz W31

[autumn sorrel]

Cool

[tough quail]

hopefully it works better than the W13

[old rune]

Can I choose him?

[tough quail]

yes :)

[spring briar]

[wintry moat]

That is real?

Looks like a sci-fi car

[manic latch]

@humble mulch https://twitter.com/AndreiS49747209/status/1688934872117583872?s=20

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[humble mulch]

Ngl

I can understand why from a budget perspective

But idk if that's why

[tough quail]

one last thing on the lazerpig fiasco because dunk mentioned this about the response video

“I’m not going to list my sources because if they want to critique me on what I found, I want both you and them to go through the same level of research and the same level of pain that me and the two people who agreed to help me also went through. Because I have a sneaking suspicion that they won’t, actual history isn’t reading a blog.”

wheezing laughter

people actually defended this kind of sanctimonious garbage? holy shit

[warm finch]

No, people defended the point he was making.

That being, T-14 bad, Cones and Red Effects sources unsatisfactory

Nevermind his own lack of them

[junior trench]

He also said once they show up with their own sources, he'll pull his out so they can all compare notes

[warm finch]

Beat me to mentioning it lol

[junior trench]

But people are desperate to keep the drama going

[warm finch]

Yeah, though I have been growing increasingly sceptical of LP, he does seem to always have some kind of reason. He did admit some fault on that whole Chieftain thing so, credit where credit is due I reckon.

[rapid junco]

Of course you can

[manic latch]

I'm wondering if he was truly innocent on "his own source" thing or he went by "Russia bad" and nobody would bother to point out a mistake because of it

For example everyone hates devil. So you say "devil has 4 ugly heads" when in Bible it's not mentioned as 4 heads

But you do this statement to joke on or shame on the devil more for the sake of it. And you expect people to agree since everyone hates devil

But if someone who studies theology doesn't have such bias. He will point out devil doesn't have 4 heads because Bible is the true source

[warm finch]

Not really the point, though I do agree not stating your sources is unbecoming of anyone who even remotely claims to be a historian.

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/08/08/first-marine-corps-mq-9a-reaper-squadron-now-operational

[manic latch]

He rose to fame by his T-34 video. So it was natural he would choose different Russian vehicle in future eventually given that what made him rose to fame.

So I expected him to make Su-57 video much before T-14, because T-14 is even less known than 57

[warm finch]

Well to be completely fair to him, he isn´t necessarily wrong about either. In one he just ridiculously overgeneralizes or perpetuates certain myths. And in another, he overgeneralizes and perpertuates certain myths.

I feel like the numerous Vatniks and shit flocking to whatever side is fighting lazerpig is a bad thing.

Not because it´s people arguing, I personally like to argue, but because it just makes people often miss the original points

I also have to admit Iam very biased since I really dislike Cone and like Lazerpig.

[manic latch]

See this is a super muddy water

"Whoever judging my claims is a vatnik"

[warm finch]

You misunderstood, I meant that the actual vatniks are going to start messing in with the non-vatniks and Lazerpigs side is going to be able to just dismiss everything "cuz they´re vatniks!" same with NAFOers flocking to lazerpig and everyone else on the other side going "Well they´re NAFOers! Obviously they won´t like Russian stuff!"

It´s not just muddy water it´s like a damn sewer

[manic latch]

Yep

[cinder escarp]

No, LP gets virtually everything wrong as his "sources" are hot garbage - which is the real reason he doesn't want to reveal them.