history

[manic latch]

Aegis wasn't designed against hypersonic speed

[strong plank]

We need to revive Nike Sprint

[grave ravine]

Thanks

[tough quail]

every tank an mbt-70

or at least an amx-30

get those autocannons on you fucking cowards

[shrewd pecan]

the hypersonics is a part of a long range fires capability the US is trying to build up

[grave ravine]

Aegis is a BMS, I presume you are talking about SM-6

[manic latch]

No

Aegis

You know

The system

[shrewd pecan]

also I'm gonna be frank

[manic latch]

It wasn't designed against Hypersonic threat

[shrewd pecan]

aegis is capable of dealing with hypersonics

[supple sandal]

One thing always can be sure about the US military
Acronym, or whatever it is called

[shrewd pecan]

it just boils down to building up the US's fleet of early warning satellites

[grave ravine]

The Aegis software is perfectly capable of coordinating defenses

[shrewd pecan]

intercepting a hypersonic is like any other missile

[grave ravine]

SPY-1 is capable of tracking them

[shrewd pecan]

its just down to having enough reaction time

[supple sandal]

Sitting here knowing a guy got paid for naming something VAMPIRE

[random trench]

Also didn’t the patriot literally just shoot down a hypersonic missile in Ukraine

[grave ravine]

The only potential weak link would be interceptors

[shrewd pecan]

yes it did but we can't really talk about that

[strong plank]

Kinzal is hypersonic in air quotes

[random trench]

I was just glossing over it but it proves a point

[grave ravine]

Kinzhal is really just an ALBM

[strong plank]

Any ballistic missile is technically hypersonic

Minuteman III for example

[grave ravine]

Not a maneuvering hypersonic

[manic latch]

Kinzal is a more of balistic missile

It goes straight only

Zircon is the moving one

[tough quail]

kinzhal spiel

alright thats my time to bounce

this topic is usually more volatile than race and religion for some goddamn reason

[supple sandal]

Yeah the problem is it ballistic
So you don't need to be fast to be intercept it
You just need to be in place when it come

[strong plank]

Something I’ve been wondering

So hypersonics are going to be quite expensive

[manic latch]

Damaged Patriot that shot +30 missiles in 1 minute vs A wreck that might be Iskander or Kinzhal's head does cause lot of arguments on who did who

[strong plank]

For a weapon of that capability and with that price tag, you’d want to reserve it for specific targets

[shrewd pecan]

the patriot was damaged by of all things

rooftop tiles

[tough quail]

kremlin that was not an invitation to escalate it

[supple sandal]

The real problem occurs when shits can maneuver at high speed (G force be damn)

[shrewd pecan]

but yeah

[manic latch]

Sadly we never get the image yeah, only we know it's damaged

[strong plank]

but the US doesn’t really have that when it comes to it’s adversaries

[shrewd pecan]

I wouldn't bring up anything more than that

[tough quail]

anyway im gonna go get in bed and write about stupid nerd bullshit

...non-military stupid nerd bullshit

[strong plank]

So I wonder if hypersonics will just end up filing into the nuclear triad

[tough quail]

have fun y'all

[manic latch]

Depends. Zircon could be cheaper than a Granit since SCRAMJET has no moving parts

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

just because its on paper cheaper

doesn't mean the company making Zircon's isn't eating the bulk of the price

for the Russian government

like they usually do to make Russian sticker prices appear cheaper

but I have nothing to prove that with

[manic latch]

There is a reason Granit is not produced anymore tho

[strong plank]

I mean talking about the US here

[shrewd pecan]

generally speaking here

Hypersonics are extremely expensive missiles

heavily dependent on rare earth resources

[tough quail]

all warfare will return to cheap bullshit if it doesn't end in like a month

this is law

[manic latch]

China

[shrewd pecan]

there gonna be unicorns in most nations arsenals

[shrewd pecan]

eh

[manic latch]

Brazil

[shrewd pecan]

didn't even realize we had the rare resource advantage over Russia

[manic latch]

They do have more by existence. But not by gathering

[strong plank]

I mean my thinking here is like

[supple sandal]

So what can 12 tons do?

[manic latch]

12 million*

[strong plank]

for china, something like the df-17 makes sense when you consider US carriers

[supple sandal]

Okay that sound better

[strong plank]

sinking one would be a massive propaganda blow

[supple sandal]

So what can 1.4 mil ton do

[shrewd pecan]

it forces the US to keep their carriers further out

[manic latch]

Oh yeah sinking a Nimitz would be on news for 1 week at least

[strong plank]

for the US, what targets really are there that would merit a hypersonic glide vehicle?

[shrewd pecan]

command centers

[supple sandal]

A school shooting in US stayed on the news for 2 weeks at least

[shrewd pecan]

factories deep within enemy territory

[manic latch]

Titan submarine:

[shrewd pecan]

just boils down to

targets that are important

[manic latch]

That thing got more attention than deserved

[shrewd pecan]

but too deep into enemy territory for cruise missiles

[grave ravine]

Once war starts it probably becomes quite difficult to hit the carriers

[supple sandal]

Then what is the next thing happened?

[grave ravine]

It's the first strike from China that would be very dangerous

[supple sandal]

Triple the amount of CIWS on each ship and triple the amount of ships

Financially sound bad but I sure they done that once

[manic latch]

Df-17 in your ciws range

Rip bozo

[grave ravine]

Yeah CIWS isn't gonna help

[supple sandal]

Average missile

[shrewd pecan]

the SM-6s and RIM-174s are probably

gonna be the main work horses

when it comes down to DF-17s

[grave ravine]

SM-6 my beloved

[shrewd pecan]

ERAM my beloved

[supple sandal]

The satellites can detect a launch yeah?

[manic latch]

If they are left alive

[grave ravine]

SM-3 probably also helps a lot against DF-21 and shit

[manic latch]

People forget Satellites are targets

[grave ravine]

Yeah satellites are gonna have a bad time

[shrewd pecan]

the targetting of satellites

deeply effects China's ability to use DF-17s

[grave ravine]

Which is actually a big advantage for the USN

Once the satellites go down the carriers disappear

The US got very good at hiding carriers

[supple sandal]

It do be like that

[shrewd pecan]

China kinda needs

its satellites to reliably locate CSGs

[grave ravine]

It's why the first strike is so dangerous, cuz the satellites are still up then

[strong plank]

I have an idea

[remote monolith]

@desert agate here's a present for ya, Aussie dinosaurs

[supple sandal]

You need to take down satellites first to shoot the carriers
But by launching missile to down the satellites(not even hit yet) you alert the entire enemy military
While you can launch simultaneously, your launch would still be detected
Which would still result in retaliation strike in like 30 minutes depending on travel time

So first strike advantages really doesn't exist anymore unless you can take down the entire enemy satellites array in one go and undetected

[manic latch]

If only they still existed

Best horse replacement

Sorry horse

[desert agate]

easy to be second when weve barely started exploiting our rare earths

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/JGSDF_pr/status/1683446939302658048

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#TalismanSabre2023
#Bundeswehr
#FreeandOpenIndoPacific
#FOIP
#Heer
@bundeswehrInfo
@BMVg_Bundeswehr
@deutsches_Heer
@Inspekteur_Heer

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Twitter · Jul 24, 2023, 12:00 PM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/Australian_Navy/status/1683706142365450241

Royal Australian Navy (@Australian_Navy)

As long as the #USSCanberra is sailing, an Australian officer will be serving on board. Lieutenant Eamon O’Shea is the first.

📖 Read more about how a member of the #AusNavy will now have the opportunity to sail onboard and learn from the @USNavy ⬇️ https://t.co/xlo9qSuRro

Twitter · Jul 25, 2023, 5:10 AM

[haughty osprey]

There's a funny joke to be made here

[zealous gull]

Spotted her from the ferry a few days back

[warm finch]

So uhm, Flankers are fucking huge

[humble mulch]

The F-16 also is pretty small

[warm finch]

Relatively yeah

It makes sense though, the F-16 sacrifices range and speed for carry capacity while the Flanker sacrifices carry capacity for range and speed.

[thorn trail]

isn't the Flanker's carry capacity pretty large. Also the F-16 iirc had pretty shit range early on before the conformal tanks were standard

[warm finch]

I typo'd the whole first segment how fun

Let me fix that real quick...

Though the Flankers carry capacity is 4,000 kilos for the Su-27SK while the F-16s carry capacity is 7,700 kilos and I think the Israelis managed to give it 4 times that and still have it take off

[junior trench]

have APCR
look inside
Barely any tungsten
"Wait is that the same fucking core as from-"
"How did you make the tungsten porous?"

[random trench]

Or just cyber warfare them

[supple sandal]

Easy said than done

[random trench]

well yes

it's cyberwarfare

[grave ravine]

You can also use DEWs to try and blind/fry the satellites

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Saab/status/1683859401642311681

Saab (@Saab)

RELEASE: Saab receives order for airborne early warning aircraft from Poland

https://t.co/9C2Jz5Nr6T

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Twitter · Jul 25, 2023, 3:19 PM

[warm finch]

They really are going for becoming the bulwark of eastern europe aren´t they?

[manic latch]

Will be interesting too see how much funding money these will suck when all of them arrives

All orders of Poland that is

[strong plank]

When you get the multipolar world you wanted but the other pole is Poland

[manic latch]

Poland can't be netural by its location lol

Used to be Warsaw Pact

Now it's Nato side

It's location can't allow it to be netural from being well just in middle

[random trench]

its the doormat of europe

[manic latch]

Only times I hear from Poland

1. Military purchase they make

2. Femboy memes

[tough quail]

please help the polish government keeps trying to buy my mas-36 from me

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/Aaron_MatthewIL/status/1683877827383369728?s=20

Aaron-Matthew Lariosa (@Aaron_MatthewIL)

The activation of the 11th Marine Regiment's Long Range Missile Battery A brings us our first look at what the Marines will be mounting their Tomahawks on. While they will have far fewer cruise missiles compared to the Army's MRC, the launchers will be as mobile as NMESIS.

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Twitter · Jul 25, 2023, 4:32 PM

I never expected to see

JTLV Tomahawks

[supple sandal]

Wars

Easier said than done

[tough quail]

bruh

[manic latch]

Mi 26 my beloved

[supple sandal]

So who got paid for naming the system Nemesis

[manic latch]

English vocabulary

Nah Panstir still looks sexier

I like the chassis tho

[gloomy current]

They both look shit

[random trench]

Truth

I forget that the Turks make anything

[manic latch]

They make more new domestic designs than %90 of Europe

[random trench]

They’re pretty new still to the domestic military market iirc

That’s what I’m saying

At least in terms of modern military equipment like drones and such

Before they just had nato equipment

[manic latch]

Only European nato country with its own Fifth gen project

[random trench]

Which is cool

The Turks make good equipment even if they’re still new to the scene

[warm finch]

Suprisingly the polish economy is like the 2nd best in the ex-eastern bloc right after old mama Rus´

[random trench]

I do appreciate Poland

[manic latch]

Yeah it's called
EU

Poland does get EU funding alot

[random trench]

Whenever I talk to a die hard polish person their hatred of the Russians goes far beyond what I originally thought

They’re like itching on the trigger I stg

💀

[warm finch]

That and not overspending on the military right after and during an economic crisis like the Russians were doing

[random trench]

This is true

Though now the polish are just going on a spending spree

[manic latch]

They ARE overspending

500 HIMARS looks normal to you?

[random trench]

I mean, when you have Russia right next door who’s actively performing an international crime

[humble mulch]

Looks like rookie numbers

[random trench]

It’s kind of warranted

[humble mulch]

Also

[warm finch]

Can you read it again and then correct your attitude please? I specifically wrote "right after and during an economic crisis"

[humble mulch]

We all know what's going on but for the sake of not throwing shit each other let's not

[random trench]

Yes

Lets just say the polish are being big funny

[manic latch]

Racist as well

[random trench]

It’s Poland

[manic latch]

True

[random trench]

Nuff said💀

[humble mulch]

That's like everywhere for you

Also

Can we take a second

[random trench]

To appreciate life?

And love each other platonically?

[humble mulch]

This thing is ugly as fucking sin

No I want to talk shit about the marines

[manic latch]

Who's Romania even racist to

[humble mulch]

Who drew that

[random trench]

Romanians

[shrewd pecan]

you merely don't have a appreciation for the big bong of long range fires

[warm finch]

The Ukrainians, the Jews, the Serbs,... other romanians

[spring briar]

But I do

[random trench]

Europe is not spared when it comes to things like ethnic crimes lol, there’s a reason you have french people in France, Serbs in Serbia and so on

[humble mulch]

They really fucking hated Jews & gypsies, currently I think they have a distain to Africans and Middle Easterns like the rest of Europe

[warm finch]

Speaking of, can someone bring up the percentages for how much the Corps got rid of to get those anti-ship launchers?

[manic latch]

Damn

I underestimated Romania

[humble mulch]

I have zero where to even get that

[random trench]

Keep underestimating them they aren’t very useful

[humble mulch]

Pls know I'm one of the dumber guys here

[spring briar]

Everyone in europe hated the jews until like 1947

[shrewd pecan]

the optimization was primary aimed at slimming down Marine Forces for island hopping

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Yeah the Marines have a clearly defined role now

And aren't the 2nd army anymore

[random trench]

Finally

[shrewd pecan]

the anti ship missiles and long range fires would of been within budget regardless of if they kept their tanks or not

[random trench]

They’re actually being used as an assault force

[manic latch]

I don't understand how Israel and US got so "bro" still. Is it for US keeping influence there only?

[random trench]

Pretty much

It’s Cold War politics

[humble mulch]

So this topic I'm gonna shoot cause it's a can of worms

[random trench]

Israel was the bastion of “democracy” in the Middle East and it could hold its own

[shrewd pecan]

its a mixture of American Jews alongside America's own branches of Christanity

[humble mulch]

[random trench]

But all in all, it’s real messy because of Britain and France

[shrewd pecan]

support for Israel made politicans popular with American Jews & certain Christians

[warm finch]

Kinda?

[random trench]

We did a lil drawing and decided it was funny

[humble mulch]

They did more then just drawing

[manic latch]

[humble mulch]

[random trench]

“Check this shit dude, I’m gonna draw a line that doesn’t obey ethnic lines at all🤓😭💀🙏🙏”

[humble mulch]

Anyways yeah the new marine launcher thing looks gumpy as hell

[shrewd pecan]

dooming the bulk of a continent to forever wars and ethnic conflict

[random trench]

“Then I’m gonna lie to everyone because I can 😏😒😕🥰💀😤👋🏻😅”

[humble mulch]

It's like a Marine drew it

And they actually just made it

[shrewd pecan]

its just using the same platform that there using for JSMs

[random trench]

They’re marines.

This is the best they got

[warm finch]

Probably with the light green crayon since I heard they like those the worst

[humble mulch]

Ah

[random trench]

Though tbf I’m an airforce guy so I lean more towards airforce and navy airforce

[humble mulch]

Like wtf is this

[warm finch]

Poorest branch that somehow still has more aircraft than the Royal air force

[manic latch]

Yeah I was expecting US to do something like K-300P as mobile anti ship launcher

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but you have to fit that

on a ship

[manic latch]

Hmm

[random trench]

800 Billion Dollars.

Let that sink in

[shrewd pecan]

the JTLV makes sense

[humble mulch]

I was expecting something similar to like a smaller Himars truck

[shrewd pecan]

because it uses a common part chain with the marine's light vehicles

[humble mulch]

Like something full cab

[shrewd pecan]

is far more strategically mobile

and its far easier to hide

[random trench]

And also, Britains role as a military nowadays isn’t even to act alone anymore, we physically cannot act as an independent force conventionally

[shrewd pecan]

the Army is going down that route for their new tomahawk launcher

[humble mulch]

Yeah it looks rather small which is good

[shrewd pecan]

but for the marines they need something compact

[warm finch]

Yeah but that´s split 3 ways between the Army, Navy and Air force. The navy then proceeds to give scraps of that to the marines

[shrewd pecan]

that's mobile

and has less logistics strain

[random trench]

Britain’s main strength is its interoperability with the other nato members

[manic latch]

Love how Harpoon slowly dies for Tomahawk

[shrewd pecan]

oh harpoons dying to NSM, JSM, LRASM

[random trench]

Still more than the U.K. military gets

[shrewd pecan]

tomahawk is filling a completely different role

[grave ravine]

mainly to NSM

[manic latch]

Lrasm VLS is cancelled tho

[grave ravine]

LRASM is a higher end system kinda

[shrewd pecan]

harpoon still has a air launched role

[random trench]

I can’t wait to see the US graduate from Sidewinders

[grave ravine]

NSM is the thing you can slap on a random piece of deck and that every plane can carry

[warm finch]

Oh 100 percent Iam just saying that it´s kinda funny if you don´t really look into it, where it then makes perfect sense

[shrewd pecan]

sorry

[random trench]

Like why do they just not use Meteor

[shrewd pecan]

Sidewinder is internal

[random trench]

Truth

[manic latch]

AIM-9XL

[shrewd pecan]

meteor is completely class of missile to the AIM-9

and we already have our own equivalent

about to enter service

[warm finch]

Yes.

[random trench]

Is it ASRAAM

[spring briar]

The Suez crisis was the biggest mistake the US made in its life
They suffer because of it and I live off their suffering

[random trench]

at least for right now

[grave ravine]

Meteor is a competitor with things like AMRAAM, not AIM-9

[random trench]

Until the new one comes

[warm finch]

AIM-260 right?

[manic latch]

Isn't Meteor JATM equal

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

AIM-260 JATM yes

[random trench]

The US had like no part in that

Literally 0

[tough quail]

that's

the mistake

[shrewd pecan]

we politically intefered with it

which killed the entire campaign

[spring briar]

They sanctioned france and britain

[tough quail]

the US in their grand wisdom thought

[grave ravine]

which was the right thing to do

[tough quail]

"hmmm"

[spring briar]

Biggest mistake

[grave ravine]

because fuck imperialism

[tough quail]

"lets lose suez"

[random trench]

This

[tough quail]

"but lets throw down for vietnam"

absolute fucking dumbasses

[random trench]

It’s the US

[grave ravine]

and we ought to have backed Ho

[spring briar]

HEY LETS FUCK OVER OUR THREE BIGGEST ALLIES XDDDDDDD

[random trench]

The Swedes did

[tough quail]

my brother in christ

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Suez didn't have Commies

[tough quail]

you are imperialists

[humble mulch]

Right?

[grave ravine]

no it didnt

[random trench]

Literally they made a big boy move to back the Viet Kong and it basically paid off

[tough quail]

the US is late stage hyper imperialism

[random trench]

Not exactly

[warm finch]

I wouldn´t even say that, you could put the classes of missiles as
Short range (sidewinder, ASRAAM)
Medium/long range (AMRAAM, all the newer R-27s)
Extreme range (Meteor, JATM, AIM-54 Phoenix)

[shrewd pecan]

the newer AMRAAMs

just downright outrange the AIM-54

[tough quail]

where instead of just colonizing a country, their left the home branch and just completely wiped out and replaced the natives 1:1

[random trench]

The Egyptians were procuring advanced weapons from soviet czechoslovakia

[tough quail]

👁️

dont give me this "fuck imperialism" shit

[random trench]

And they were in the Soviet Union before Israel invaded

[spring briar]

Horse how do we ever fix the schism…

[grave ravine]

I wouldn't really say that, I would say Meteor and JATM are in the same group as AMRAAM, its only really R-37 and Phoenix that would be the hyper long range stuff

[warm finch]

Mostly because they stopped using the AIM-54 in 2006

[random trench]

So in actuality the Commies WERE in Egypt but more as trainers and equipment suppliers

[grave ravine]

Meteor and JATM are the natural progression as stuff gets better

[shrewd pecan]

its because the AIM-54 is old

[grave ravine]

while AIM-54 was meant to significantly overmatch other missiles at the time in range

[tough quail]

forging a US national identity that isnt built on mental gymnastics and cope

[shrewd pecan]

every nations national identity

is built on mental gymnnastics and cope

[humble mulch]

Nah I'm gonna say fuck imperialism cause it's nothing but victim Olympics

[manic latch]

They evolved to next stage where they can use influence and economy over military yeah

[humble mulch]

[random trench]

This

[spring briar]

Buthan

[random trench]

Imperialism is universally bad

[tough quail]

no its not even that

[humble mulch]

Yall don't see Gal bros posting

[shrewd pecan]

Buthan doesn't matter

[humble mulch]

Or Vandals

[random trench]

No justification ever to invade another nation for self profit

[tough quail]

the country itself is like

the peak of imperialism

[shrewd pecan]

I mean you can say the same about Russia

[grave ravine]

you do know what Imperialism is right?

[shrewd pecan]

or literally

[humble mulch]

So pls just tale your shit throwing else where

[grave ravine]

its to rule over others

[humble mulch]

Anyone

[shrewd pecan]

any other American nation

[random trench]

You know what country I’ve seen that’s been pretty based continuously

[warm finch]

As an eastern european I can attest to this being correct

[humble mulch]

Literally anyone

[random trench]

Bhutan

Bhutan is a nice country

[humble mulch]

Bhutan has a funny hoi4 tree

[tough quail]

oh yeah canada is in the exact same boat

[random trench]

Literally the king of Bhutan voluntarily introduced democracy

[humble mulch]

That's about all I know about them

[shrewd pecan]

literally the entirety of Latin America

is in the same boat

[tough quail]

it's just their national identity isn't IMPERIALISM BAD FREEEEEEEDOOOOOMEEEEEEE

[humble mulch]

Everyone is

[manic latch]

Canada is turned to Saint in people's eyes because sorry memes

[random trench]

He had to educate the people about what democracy was

[humble mulch]

And anyone who says they aren't

Is lying

[random trench]

And imagine being called the dragon king bruh

That shit is cool

And ACTUALLY CARING about your people

We like Bhutan

They also save the trees

[warm finch]

I think that´s recently being overturned with all the things with mental healthcare being widely known these days

[shrewd pecan]

the legacy of Colonialism and imperialism has impacted every place on this earth and has shaped every nation

[manic latch]

Democracy basically means government by the people, of the people, for the people; but the people are

[shrewd pecan]

a nation can have a colonial/imperialist past but still take a anti imperialist position

[random trench]

This

[humble mulch]

Nah it's popular vote

Don't get it twisted

At its core its just popularity contests

[random trench]

Though I would definitely say that a funny period of history to learn about is literally like, interwar years

Interwar years is just weird bruh

[warm finch]

Atleast from a tank design perspective yeah

[random trench]

Yes

[humble mulch]

Interwar years were wild

[manic latch]

"a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force."

That's why Imprealism can be applied to any nation with strong military and actually using it every decade

[random trench]

Like dawg

[humble mulch]

Remember when Romania invaded Hungry

[random trench]

Bob Semple tank?

[humble mulch]

And France couldn't get them to fuck off

[random trench]

Remember when Poland invaded Russia

[grave ravine]

I don't think thats a good definition of imperialism

[humble mulch]

Wasn't that Lithuania-Poland?

[grave ravine]

because literally everyone does that

[warm finch]

Remember when Czechoslovakia had to fight off most of its neighbours and actually had a brown water navy for it?

[random trench]

Nah just Poland

[humble mulch]

No thats the point

[manic latch]

And they play the victim later

[humble mulch]

Everyone does imperialism

It's basically human nature

[warm finch]

Both sides do so and it´s equally funny every time

[random trench]

Yeah but I mean, when you’ve ceased to exist 3 times because of a certain Russian neighbour next door, you tend to not like them

I mean that’s about as simple as it gets

[grave ravine]

Imperialism is the act of running an empire, and an empire is when one people rules over other peoples, at the benefit of the rulers

[manic latch]

As if France and Germany did no wrong

[humble mulch]

[random trench]

No they definitely did

But Russia you know

Held onto them till like the 80s

So it’s kind of in recent memory

[spring briar]

France invading Russia was justified
They did not adhere to the continental trade system

[tough quail]

the US is just more recent than most

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

much more recent

[random trench]

I’m not saying Poland is innocent but there’s definitely a reason behind why they acted the way they did

[tough quail]

and much more thorough

and much more heavily touted

[grave ravine]

No, Imperialism has become relatively uncommon today, because economic changes over the past centuries have meant that the economic benefits of imperialism have faded away

[shrewd pecan]

Russia genocided a entire land mass during the same time we were still extending out west

the fuck are you talking about?

[random trench]

And Poland straight up served it to Germany recently with reparations papers

[tough quail]

to the point of completely fucking over their own allies on their anti-imperialist chestbeating

[humble mulch]

Yeah

[tough quail]

...until they... stopped

and instead threw down over vietnam

something much less important

[random trench]

Economic imperialism still exists

[tough quail]

and much more disastrous for the natives

[humble mulch]

Take your anti American bs outta here cause we can just go in circles

[warm finch]

I would call that domestic politics more than anything else

it´s gonna be a popular move

[humble mulch]

We can point at a fucking map and just rant about any nation doing bad ahit

So please let's just not

[warm finch]

Why not do it even you bloody well know it isn´t gonna work?

[shrewd pecan]

the context of the cold war are inheretly two imperialist powers trying to accuse each other of being imperialists while doing the most imperialist actions possible

[tough quail]

did u know that more than one country can be shitty

radical concept

[random trench]

Which is funny

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but how is the US?

far more recent?

[grave ravine]

See my above point about definitions of imperialism, very few countries are truly economically controlled by others

[tough quail]

"most"

keyword

[shrewd pecan]

but it isn't

[manic latch]

Pfp ain't helping lmao

[spring briar]

Tea basically bald eagling

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

there's the Soviet interventions in Afghanistan

[random trench]

Need I mention belt and road initiative

[shrewd pecan]

there's France's actions across West Africa

[grave ravine]

Like do many countries still do shitty things today, yes, but imperialism it is not

[tough quail]

tato

there are more than two countries

on the planet

[random trench]

Even today

French are still in Mali

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but how are we

more recent than most?

[spring briar]

The ones in the 1830s or the ones in Mali

[humble mulch]

Don't get me started on France

And the Franc

[random trench]

Ikr 💀

[grave ravine]

is not imperialism, even if the lending terms are shitty and exploitive

[humble mulch]

So you have to be an empire?

Cool

[random trench]

But I mean does it make said country almost subservient to another?

[shrewd pecan]

I wouldn't use belt and road

[humble mulch]

America has never been an empire

[manic latch]

"I'm less evil than you"

-country with a military

[humble mulch]

Thx for making this easy

[tough quail]

also wait how does afghanistan even count

[shrewd pecan]

over the the certain conflict over the South China Sea

[tough quail]

that's a weird take and thats after suez

[grave ravine]

Not typically, while it has frequently imposed costs on said countries, just look at what eventually happened in Sri Lanka

[random trench]

Atp I don’t even understand US foreign policy decisions

[warm finch]

The Cold war was a war of reactions. Every action had an equal and opposite reaction. Debating whether something was fair brings us all the way to the start when the Soviets tried to grab west berlin, prompting the Berlin airlift. Would all of the suffering be avoided if that didn´t happen? Probably not. Was it still the fault of the Soviets? I´ll let you figure that one out.

[spring briar]

Not in name

[manic latch]

I think that comes from being way too young, she is around 300 years old

[random trench]

I’m going with this as US foreign policy

[grave ravine]

No, we were an empire in the late 1800s early 1900s

remember, we ruled the Philippines

[shrewd pecan]

oh we very much had a empire

[random trench]

And Japan for like a year

though I think it was just satire

[spring briar]

But the US was definitely empire building with the Spanish American war

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[tough quail]

you see if you say x territory is part of your country it doesn't count as an empire anymore

[random trench]

I’m pretty sure tea knows this already

[grave ravine]

yeah, the period from 1898 to 1945 the US unabashedly ran an empire

[tough quail]

tea is hard to get a bead on

sometimes he just says the dumbest of shit unironically

[random trench]

Tea is fun

[spring briar]

Tea doesn’t like France

[random trench]

I like tea

[random trench]

Neither do i

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

I hate france

[random trench]

I hate France

Unequivocally

[spring briar]

Wow

K

[humble mulch]

But you are all fucking dumb dumbstruck doing this here

[shrewd pecan]

🇫🇷 better engineers than the British

[random trench]

I’m English.

[spring briar]

Blocked

[warm finch]

If the people living there do then you know. That would be kinda correct I guess?

[random trench]

In what field

[spring briar]

All

[shrewd pecan]

look at the SA80

[grave ravine]

France has better everything that the British

[shrewd pecan]

and the Famas

and tell me

[grave ravine]

stupid Brits

[shrewd pecan]

who's the better engineers

[humble mulch]

I'd rather not have this discussion in a manner yall cant be peaceful with

[tough quail]

alright tato truce

[humble mulch]

Like there 4 groups here

[tough quail]

lets shit on romania instead to piss off tea

👁️

[spring briar]

But do you really

[random trench]

I guess I should be specific, I dislike the northern French and their tendency to make fun of other peoples trying to speak their language

[humble mulch]

And yall dont like each other

[manic latch]

Tailor President McKinley measures an obese Uncle Sam for larger clothing, while Anti-Expansionists like Joseph Pulitzer unsuccessfully offer Sam a weight-loss elixir. As the nation increased its imperialistic presence and mission, many like Pulitzer worried that America would grow too big for its own good. John S. Pughe, “Declined With Thanks,” in Puck

[shrewd pecan]

the way I shit on Romania

[random trench]

I actually love the southern French

[shrewd pecan]

would likely get me banned

[random trench]

They’re really warm people

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/romanian-anti-air-romania-anti-air-gif-25843679

[humble mulch]

Nah go ahead and shit on Romanian

[spring briar]

Maybe actually try then

[humble mulch]

They are such a meme

[shrewd pecan]

no like generally from what I've gotten from my Romanian friends

[random trench]

This is hard when they actively make fun of you for it

[spring briar]

I can speak French and can perfectly speak your “language”

[shrewd pecan]

the ways I shit on that country would likely be devolving into ethnic conflicts

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

tell tea that romanian TDs were actually still bad

[humble mulch]

Imagine using Mig-21s for almost their entire service life

[random trench]

LMFAO

[spring briar]

Just ignore them until you’re confident at it?

[humble mulch]

Romanian TDs were bad yeah

But they worked

[shrewd pecan]

ngl

[humble mulch]

They worked fucking amazingly

[shrewd pecan]

I was surprised by the Romanian abrams purchase

[humble mulch]

in germany

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/mig21-mig-jet-backflip-post-stall-gif-23327084

[random trench]

But I also just dislike the french because of my interactions with them growing up

[warm finch]

Nah this isn´t even wrong bro. My friend has relatives there and they asked him (I shit you not) whether any of his friends are Jews, when he lied and said no his aunt said "good, good. Make sure to keep that way they steal very often"

[spring briar]

My man what happened

[humble mulch]

Yeah Europe is Racist as hell

[spring briar]

Also don’t let that paint your opinion of them wtf

[shrewd pecan]

Romania's modern military is heading in a interesting direction

[manic latch]

European tank market be like: pick Abrams or Leo2

[humble mulch]

It definitely is but it's like an off brand Poland

[spring briar]

Krem loves communist stuff but I like him

[warm finch]

Is that a bad thing?

[tough quail]

and poland is already like

[spring briar]

Even if communism is terrible

[tough quail]

offbrand everyone else

[shrewd pecan]

Poland's is mass modernization since it knows it has to be ready to defend basically the entirety of Eastern Europe

[humble mulch]

Yeah

[random trench]

A lot of personal shit

[shrewd pecan]

Romania's is a lot more constrained considering they beforehand had some rather surprising capabilities

[random trench]

It’s a bit of a mess to explain but you’re right

I should hate the specific people

[warm finch]

Yeah ever heard of the PT-91M? Things a T-72 but... uhm... Polished

[random trench]

Not the entire country of France

[spring briar]

That isn’t something you should project on the entire nation but ok

[tough quail]

twardy's are fnuy

[shrewd pecan]

they have one of the best rocket artillery ballparks in europe

[manic latch]

No I love Soyuz and things she loves

If Soyuz loved Monarchy I would love monarchy

Hell communism is actually worse for me since I see Soyuz superior being

[random trench]

No no I’m agreeing with you

[spring briar]

The Fr*nch meme can’t be stopped anymore anyways

[random trench]

.

[tough quail]

kremlin are you okay

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

I hate the French government and what they are doing, but real French people are cool. I'm also French so it's my right to hate the government

[tough quail]

this is why america will suffer for their bullshit

[humble mulch]

It's what the French do best

[random trench]

It’s in your blood to riot

The bastille calls you

[shrewd pecan]

If Soyuz has 1000 fans Kremlin is one of them
If Soyuz has 100 fans Kremlin is one of them
If Soyuz has 1 fan Kremlin is one of them
if Soyuz has 0 fans Kremlin is dead

[humble mulch]

[manic latch]

People think I'm loyal to Soviet Union but I'm actually loyal to Soyuz

[warm finch]

That last sentence was the most french thing I ever heard

[spring briar]

Tea
Honey
My little teapot
I HATE ALL GOVERNMENTS

[humble mulch]

I do too

[spring briar]

and so should you

[humble mulch]

It's just I don't wanna like

[tough quail]

false comrade

[humble mulch]

Open up Wikipedia

And put down every nation that exists

[tough quail]

grad gaming

[humble mulch]

So I can rant about them

[shrewd pecan]

its ok

[random trench]

I think objectively the French have made some really wacky equipment

[shrewd pecan]

the Soviet Union deserves no loyalty

only the machines it made do

[random trench]

Like dawg wtf is the chauchat

What is that piece of shit gun

[tough quail]

a better LMG than the BAR

[shrewd pecan]

if I remember correctly

[random trench]

Who tf makes an onion LMG and expects it to work

[humble mulch]

Also

[shrewd pecan]

it was only the American one that suffered immense issues

[tough quail]

the french, because it did work

[tough quail]

yes

the 30-06 conversion was rushed and

horrendous

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[humble mulch]

Iirc Romania will be keeping there TR-85s for a bit still

But

[tough quail]

though the magazines were never very good

[humble mulch]

I can't fucking wait

For Abrams in camouflage

[shrewd pecan]

there still ordering Abrams, K9s

[humble mulch]

I'm so hyped for it

[shrewd pecan]

and I think another system

[tough quail]

but its preferable to the stock BAR having like

the worst field strip known to man

[humble mulch]

Finally they won't be TAN

[random trench]

For like the ten seconds they weren’t getting mauled by the Germans, which Atp isn’t even down to the equipment it’s down to the commanders

[humble mulch]

[tough quail]

where not a single piece is captive

[warm finch]

It´s actually kinda interesting how here in the more pro-west parts of Eastern europe you talk about Russian tech they just seem to automatically hate it. I think it´s because it´s kinda synonymous with tyranny to them but not sure

[tough quail]

and losing a single one will render the gun nonfunctional

[random trench]

Bro have you seen the fucking bricked up challenger 💀

[tough quail]

tl;dr

[spring briar]

This is what we shot at Algerians in the 1830’s during the conquest of Algeria
We developed rifling
Just to be able to kill them from range where they wouldn’t be able to ambush us and slaughter us
That’s called respect for your enemy

WE SHOT LEAD MUSHROOMS AT THEM FROM 300 YARDS

[humble mulch]

YEAH I HAVE LMAK

[shrewd pecan]

I mean its because the Russians were the ones who oppressed them

[random trench]

LMFAOOOOO

[tough quail]

chauchat good service gun, BAR good competition gun

[random trench]

Like dawg it’s protected enoigh 😭😭😭

[humble mulch]

[manic latch]

It's %100 flag related. If T-72 was American design with American construction they would call it best MBT

[shrewd pecan]

sorry horse but I am a hipster who prefers the BAR regardless of context

[spring briar]

[warm finch]

Oh I fucking hate the abrams man. Thing looks like an undercooked chicken nugget when I don´t have any glasses on

[humble mulch]

I like the polish Bar

[tough quail]

uh

[grave ravine]

BAR was only OK because the US had Garand

[humble mulch]

Cause it worked

[tough quail]

do you know who

[humble mulch]

And wasn't dogshit

[tough quail]

won that war?

[warm finch]

I disagree. But it is rather flag related

[tough quail]

the BAR is a fucking horrendous service rifle - in US service

other countries fixed the issues

[shrewd pecan]

don't care

[tough quail]

the US was too lazy

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

peak BAR anthestic

[humble mulch]

No this is straight facts

[tough quail]

even though FN is like.. just Browning but belgian

[humble mulch]

I have a great example

[grave ravine]

Murica lol

[tough quail]

and would've just sold them Mle. Ds

[humble mulch]

But you need to read it

The A-10

[grave ravine]

I'm joking

[shrewd pecan]

goes hard

[spring briar]

Hronse, Tea…
Garand was Canadian
And since Canada is France, the Garand is French

[humble mulch]

People think that piece of shit is amazing

[shrewd pecan]

this so called thing? ugly as well send it back

[humble mulch]

But it's not

[tough quail]

i mean yeah its a fucking rad gun

and its much more accurate

its just suited for competition shooting

not a trench

[random trench]

You fucking butchered the tank

[humble mulch]

Canada worshipped thr King at the time so it'd be British

So even worse

[random trench]

Like what is this

[shrewd pecan]

don't care if I'm gonna die I'm gonna die with a bar in my hand

[tough quail]

we can go back

hold the fuck on

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

You ruined it with your damned straight walled cartridges!!!

[random trench]

And this

What is this

[humble mulch]

Oh no horse sees it

[shrewd pecan]

The chally is a ambush predator

[warm finch]

I don´t really think that´s flag related. A big gun and its modern strike capability is hard to beat in the subsonic jet market

[manic latch]

Me and @spring briar

[shrewd pecan]

crew armor modifications that actually make sense

[random trench]

We been knowing this but wtf still

[grave ravine]

Garand was a naturalized American citizen

[spring briar]

Wut

[random trench]

It’s just funny to look at

Like dawg

[humble mulch]

It's imo 100% nation based. Look at german tanks too. People will wank and over hype literally anything if there brand is on it

[shrewd pecan]

I just realized they fully covered up the gunners & Commander sights

[humble mulch]

It's human nature

[tough quail]

thats a 2A4

[shrewd pecan]

on that chally 2

[tough quail]

the armor on it is like

[random trench]

Yes

[tough quail]

a suggestion

[random trench]

You seem my problem

[manic latch]

Challenger 2 is a ghost it's never seen again literally

[shrewd pecan]

honestly

the leopard 2A4s have been eating some shit

and surviving

[random trench]

They have

[random trench]

As nato equipment should be doing

Keep the crew alive

[shrewd pecan]

but I won't extend any more on that

[manic latch]

Lancets currently lack enough armor pen but it can disable in places

[tough quail]

i think we have different ideas of surviving or we're looking at different places

[random trench]

NATO equipment itself is just fun

[random trench]

The crew is alive and well

[warm finch]

True, but I don´t think that´s all of it. My grandpa for example hates on the T-55 because one of his friends died in it when the breach didn´t close properly.

[random trench]

The vehicle can be salvaged

[tough quail]

...i think we also have different ideas of "alive and well.."

[manic latch]

Depends on which one alot literally

[tough quail]

but maybe not for here

[warm finch]

You can bet some Brit hates the A-10 because half his scimitar crew died when it attacked them

[random trench]

They aren’t missing limbs and can still do their job as a soldier

[manic latch]

There are Bradleys with only tracks left

[shrewd pecan]

only one 2A4 has been confirmed completely destroyed

[spring briar]

Wait
Tato is shitting on the Chauchat
With the gun
That was specifically designed
To replace the Chauchat in US service
And arrived too late to have any real impact in WW1???

[humble mulch]

yeah it's definitely not for everything, but it happens enough so it's not a bad rule of thumb

[tough quail]

and was worse

[spring briar]

I am about to….

[shrewd pecan]

oh i'm trolling

[spring briar]

Hold me back

Oh

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

You sure?

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[spring briar]

Ok

[random trench]

Out of the hundred+ that appeared

[humble mulch]

Trolling based on reaction

[spring briar]

Hugs tgen

[random trench]

Which is big funny

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

anyway

[spring briar]

[warm finch]

Oh don´t take that as me denying it, it is often correct in the more amateur circles of the internet. But I enjoy overestimating everyones knowledge if it doesn´t directly clash with mine for some reason so...

[shrewd pecan]

lemme go into my thread

and make some French posts heere

[manic latch]

Hundred? No Hundred will be Leo1s irrc

[tough quail]

time to jerk off amx-13s

[random trench]

I just mean leopards in general

[shrewd pecan]

there's about 100 Leopard 2s going in of various makes and models

and like

[random trench]

The AMX is definitely a sexy piece of vehicle

[shrewd pecan]

200 or so leo 1s

ANYWAY KRELM

PLEASE

[spring briar]

I wanted to teach you all about French rifles in the early 1830’s

[shrewd pecan]

DROP IT

[manic latch]

German cats again

[random trench]

No.

[spring briar]

Why not

[shrewd pecan]

ITS TIME FOR KREMLIN

[random trench]

We don’t talk about them

[shrewd pecan]

TO MAKE A WORTHY INVESTMEENT!

[spring briar]

Why not

[random trench]

Because

Big no

[manic latch]

Yamero

[spring briar]

Why

[humble mulch]

God

Why can't we just

[manic latch]

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[humble mulch]

Start making Sherman's again

How well would they work

[manic latch]

Buy this guys

[random trench]

Detroit is calling

[humble mulch]

As like drone platforms

[random trench]

Against T-55s?

[humble mulch]

Or like as tanks again

[random trench]

Not badly tbh

[humble mulch]

Like

[random trench]

Super Sherman’s would make cheap work of them

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ it all returns to the Catalina

[humble mulch]

Put an atgm on a Sherman

[manic latch]

What the fuck is a super sherman

[humble mulch]

E as y

[humble mulch]

Jumbo?

[random trench]

You see that’s a Sherman with a 90mm gun

[spring briar]

Also I love how we always start off with a big argument and then all unanimously decide that we actually all agree
And then continue to post cool shit

[warm finch]

Google it it´s fucking cool

[humble mulch]

Oh that fucker LMAO

[random trench]

That the Israelis used

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

the "Super Sherman" when the M51 shows up

[warm finch]

The superior sherman

[random trench]

It had no place being on that hill😭

[shrewd pecan]

The Israelis didn't use 90 MMs on their Shermans

[spring briar]

Why

[shrewd pecan]

they used The French 75, French 105 and a 60 MM

[random trench]

Istfg they did

[shrewd pecan]

No

they did not

[tough quail]

they did that

its called bradleys

[manic latch]

Israel used Is-3Ms

[humble mulch]

No I mean

Use em as tanks tho

[manic latch]

[humble mulch]

And make all the funny types

[manic latch]

M10?

[humble mulch]

Like the Skink

[random trench]

“as the Super Sherman, were modified versions of the American M4 Sherman tank that served with the Israel Defense Forces from the mid-1950s to early 1980s”

[shrewd pecan]

which one

[random trench]

M36 is just better

[shrewd pecan]

had a 90 MM?

[manic latch]

I mean the new M10

[warm finch]

Hey if you got your hands on a tank as armed as the IS-3 you will use it

[humble mulch]

Like a normal M4A4 Sherman or whatever

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sherman

[humble mulch]

Or like a firefly

[spring briar]

Tiger eater

[humble mulch]

They are cheap

[tough quail]

why cant we drag T-10Ms out of storage for the mysterious goings on

i just want to see them drive around again

[shrewd pecan]

they probably will

[tough quail]

🙏

[shrewd pecan]

eventually

[tough quail]

they're so fucking cool

[humble mulch]

Bring back the T-34s

[spring briar]

Costs like 1/10th of a tiger 2
Can pen it everywhere

Dream

[tough quail]

just give me new footage of them

[shrewd pecan]

honestly the T-10 wouldn't be the worse makeshift SPG

[tough quail]

there's not enough pictures out there

[humble mulch]

Lol

[shrewd pecan]

considering the T-55s and T-62s are basically acting as

artillery guns due to artillery ammo shortages with other types

[humble mulch]

What's the SPG Sherman again

[humble mulch]

The priest?

[shrewd pecan]

which one?

[shrewd pecan]

there were a lot

[humble mulch]

The artillery one

[spring briar]

Soviet internally silenced revolver

[tough quail]

theres several "artillery" ones

[humble mulch]

Had an open top

Was a box

[grave ravine]

T-34 being used as an SPG in Yemen

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage

[humble mulch]

Used in North Africa a bit

Nah I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of the M7 priest

[warm finch]

So fun fact: After I read that reddit post one of you sent here during the first days I came into this chat, I´ve grown back my old appreciation for the tank

[random trench]

The US In North Africa was a fucking disaster

[humble mulch]

This baby

[tough quail]

reactivate isu-152s

[humble mulch]

Make more of em

[tough quail]

🙏

[humble mulch]

Well I'm glad to hear

[humble mulch]

Mobile home for Granpa and his war pals

[shrewd pecan]

160 MM mortar

[tough quail]

my beloved

[grave ravine]

T-34 being used in Yemen

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

M81

[humble mulch]

Reminds me of that Italian Tankett

[shrewd pecan]

WE MUST GO BCAK!

[humble mulch]

The L3

That the Taliban fucking have

[spring briar]

This looks like object-430

[shrewd pecan]

norwegians

[spring briar]

[grave ravine]

Paraguayan Sherman on parade (they were retired in 2017, but the Stuarts are still active)

[humble mulch]

OK

I know why it bothers me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749483175012466721/1133491485787041823/F15ptm-WABMkxwP.png

It's to much like a John Deer tractor

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Paraguay 💀

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wheeze

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That looks like a shitpost

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I mean the real shitpost

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Taliban CV-35

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was the 155 MM APFSDS round it apparently was going to get

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Is that a L3?

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155mm apfsds

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Yeah

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The MG Variant?

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I think the mgs are gone

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Catch and Release Valentines

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its that time of month where we talk about how sheridans did nothing wrong

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In the ACW or ?

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I want

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They did something wrong, we got them instead of my beloved T92

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Sheridan TWS

WHERE IS MY THERMAL SIGHT GAIJIN?!

anywho

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So cool

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Istg the Americans nailed the doctrine in the 80s when they had the Sheridan, Bradley, M60 and Abrams to cover the entire situations spectrum

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Sheridan is uhhhhh

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T-92?

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not the greatest part of the US's 80s line up

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Yeah, T92 light tank

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Funny

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Sheridan with an L7

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Agreed but it was still a light tank I guess?

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British guy isn’t watching, post French rifling innovations

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for the 80s the Sheridan's main advantage was being a airmobile tank able to be deployed alongside airborne troops

but its ability to fight other tanks was limited

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It turns out modern air mobile vehicles have gotten a little silly

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and needing its own logistics train for 152 MM ammo

likely wasn't going to be the greatest in a war gone hot

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And too big to be of use as scout vehicle

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I mean

it could function as one

as that was one of its main roles

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But was it good at it

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I mean it did its job during Vietnam, Panama and the Gulf War

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Sheridan's purpose was direct fire support for airborne units

It did that fine

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but by the 80s there were a lot of new vehicles that could of done both its fire support role & recon role much better

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It's just making armored vehicles for airborne units that are actually good is basically impossible

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They are heavily restricted by weight I suppose

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I think Chieftain's vid on BAE's MPF shows that the M8 really did sacrifice a lot to get airborne capability

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yeah

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Like Sheridan would have been better with a different gun

And amphibious capability may not have been needed

But honestly it was fine

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I mean the better option would of just been to purchase one of the like 6 light tank designs that were sitting around by the time they were considering regunning the Sheridan

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I mean that's kinda what they did

It's just AGS got canned

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yeah

honestly for the role