history

[dapper parcel]

Green with crescent and stars, the coincidence factor is just way too damn high lol

[desert agate]

okay i checked the ABS apparently the islands have 72% islamic population so I guess it might be

and the designers first name was mohammed

[shut wren]

I wish chinese provinces had flags instead of the boring shit

[desert agate]

one day ill go to the cocos islands

[runic prairie]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[desert agate]

one of my bucket list locations alongside port moresby and a decent few other places

[shut wren]

Hell nah I ain’t climbing all the way up the leadership ladder to change some flags

[autumn sorrel]

You really don't want to foster more Clique Sentiment in China

[shut wren]

Yea but I wished we had cooler flags than just the provinces name on the Chinese flag

[shrewd pecan]

god if only they went with it

[manic latch]

Feels K2

Who this

[shut wren]

Finnish thing?

[shut wren]

Nevermind

[manic latch]

Finnish thing

What Finland has pla

That looks like this

[shut wren]

Wha

That tank isn’t PLA

[manic latch]

YOUR NAME

[shrewd pecan]

lemme just rip the shit from wikipedia
"K2NO: Proposed licensed version of K2 for the Norwegian Armed Forces as a replacement for their aging fleet of Leopard 2A4. It is armed with a Trophy hard-kill APS, composite add-on armor, a 12.7mm CROWS, and add-on explosive reactive armor. In addition, preheating devices, battery heating packs, and electric air blow systems have been added to prevent the engine from turning off in Norway's cryogenic environment. The first few tanks were to be shipped from South Korea while the rest were to be built locally. The K2NO was competing against the Leopard 2A7 in tank trials.[133] On February 3, 2023, a decision was made to move forward with the 2A7. See failed bids."

[shut wren]

I JUsT ASKED IF iT WAS SOMETHING FINNISH

[manic latch]

Why do you think it was Finnish

Because snow?

[shut wren]

Yes

[manic latch]

My god

[dapper parcel]

Norway's cryogenic environment
Damn, never know Norway routinely went down to -100 C

[runic prairie]

PLA: sees snow

“Sir, we’re invading Finland.”

[shrewd pecan]

you never know when you have to fight another Finnish-Korean hyperwar

[shut wren]

There’s only one country separating them

well 2

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, I do wonder, with arms embargo lift on Vietnam and we moving further away from Rus source, what the chance the PAVN can buy Trohpy APS and NATO jets. We already bought SPYDER and have various western aircraft already.

[dapper parcel]

Wait, the limit for cryo is actually -153 C

[shut wren]

I wish PLAAF could buy NATO jets and reverse em

[manic latch]

Nato is very willing to sell F-35 to China yes

[autumn sorrel]

That's why nobody sell jet to u guy anymore

[shrewd pecan]

Norwegian Army operations on Mars

[shut wren]

Gib

[shut wren]

Yea but

[runic prairie]

Join NATO

[shrewd pecan]

depends

Vietnam's armed forces are sorta heavily in need of modernization, especially the ground component

[shut wren]

To counter Russland?

[shut wren]

That’s what they’re doing atm

[autumn sorrel]

I am not even aware that they got an army, always thought nobody would want to invade that snow fill hilly place

[manic latch]

Every nation has army

[shrewd pecan]

their army is the most stupidly kitted out thing possible

[dapper parcel]

It's a lot easier than you might think. Israeli MIC are historically more willing to sell their non-high-tech products to anyone with the right price

[autumn sorrel]

We already on our way, even observation drone for arty brigade are being field test

[manic latch]

France also tries to do that unless pressured by US not to

[runic prairie]

The geopolitical master Tom Clancy says it’s either you join or Russia joins.

[shrewd pecan]

modern vikings

in terms of Vietnam

[shut wren]

Im joining where the membership officer

[autumn sorrel]

That's why I love Israel, if you aren't anti them then you can do business with them

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/TP0_P1f9jhU

[dapper parcel]

Yes, but France might still want to slip some "Terms of Use" to the deal, Israel don't (usually)

[shrewd pecan]

the uhhh

infantry in particular

are in desperate need of modernizatiton

[shut wren]

Battle order makes really good content

[shrewd pecan]

the grenadier is still using a thumper

[autumn sorrel]

New combat tactic and weapon system is being field test by 10th Division, expect maybe a few more year for refinement

[shut wren]

Does every nation have their own units for testing new stuff

[autumn sorrel]

It's a good weapon, we value it alot

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but there's a lot better newer options

that save on weight and don't force the grenadier to sacrifice a rifle

[autumn sorrel]

This is more of like standard squad in infantry division but MechInf is way better equip than this

[shrewd pecan]

it differs I know

[dapper parcel]

Indonesia is officially probably one of the most anti-Israel a country can get, but deals with Israel still go on

[shut wren]

Mechanized doesn’t work that well for Vietnam because of terrain

Ye?

[shrewd pecan]

I wouldn't really say that

especially considering how crucial armored forces were in the war in Vietnam alongside North Vietnam's eventual victory in that conflict

[shut wren]

But Vietnam was on the offensive most of the time

I think

[autumn sorrel]

There is the AK GL but the army don't like the 30mm ammo, they want the 40mm to match with M79 and the already existed supply, that's why we mate the GP34 mount with M203 action, still field testing but it will soon be adopt more

[manic latch]

Russia remains the largest arms-supplier for Vietnam; even after 1986, there were also increasing arms sales from other nations, notably from India, Turkey, Israel, Japan, South Korea, and France. In 2016, President Barack Obama announced the lifting of the lethal weapons embargo on Vietnam, which has increased Vietnamese military equipment choices from other countries such as the United States, the United Kingdom, and other Western countries, which could enable a faster modernization of the Vietnamese military. Since 2018, the United States has begun to provide warships for Vietnam Coast Guard as part of the military cooperation between two states, the first of these ships arrived in 2021

[shrewd pecan]

Vietnam has a lot of areas where tanks are able to maneuver without being bogged down by terrain

[shut wren]

[autumn sorrel]

MechInf formation is considered the cream of the Army, only thing stopping them from forming more formation is cost and sometime terrain limitation in the North

[manic latch]

Isn't T series or an IFV best for Vietnam. Especially for their muddy terain and bridges

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Don't think an Abrams would be happy there

[shut wren]

Abrams fat

[shrewd pecan]

you could probably make a abrams work

[manic latch]

Probably

[shrewd pecan]

idk if a abrams is gonna get stuck odds are a t-series is gonna get stuck as well

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe in the mid land, kinda hard in the Delta and the Northern plain

[manic latch]

Ain't there a 20 ton difference however

[autumn sorrel]

The road here isn't much developed outside of the highway, hard to support 80ton tank

[shut wren]

Oof

[chilly osprey]

The mud question is less an issue of sheer weight and more how that weight is distributed

[shrewd pecan]

the ground pressure difference between a T-90 and a Abrams isn't that much

[chilly osprey]

The bigger issue for a tank is less the tank - an Abrams can certainly handle mud - and more keeping the tank supplies with fuel.

Because you have to get the fuel to the tank.

[shrewd pecan]

T-90 has about 0.94 kg/cm2 vs about 1.05031 kg/cm2 on the abrams

[manic latch]

10. Or 1.?

Oh

[shut wren]

Abrams op

[manic latch]

She is

[runic prairie]

Made of pure tungsten.

[manic latch]

Nah

DU

[runic prairie]

Or DU

[shrewd pecan]

for reference

[shut wren]

Pure freedom

[shrewd pecan]

a horse's ground pressure is about

1.73352

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Need more legs

[shrewd pecan]

so

if a Abrams is getting stuck

odds are the T-90 or T-72 is as well

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

So

Use lighter tanks?

[runic prairie]

Walkers are impractical as a weapon. If you want to be realistic use wheels or treads.

[shrewd pecan]

using weight purely as a metric of getting stuck is useless

when the main metric should be ground pressure

[chilly osprey]

Once again - lighter is not so much the issue as it is ground pressure. Lighter tanks can do worse in mud, in many cases.

[manic latch]

Weight is for bridges ye

[chilly osprey]

MBTs are intended for fighting on rough terrain, not roads, after all

As I said before - worry less about the tank itself, and more about sustaining it in the field.

[shut wren]

So we use IFVs and APCs n shit

[chilly osprey]

Since most of your fuel is arriving by trucks.

[autumn sorrel]

I do see T-55 get stuck sometime, T-90 might as well but the Army don't publish those pic

[manic latch]

Bro read what Phoenix says

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

IFV can get worse ground pressure than MBT

[shrewd pecan]

bog standard T-55 is about

.81 kg/cm²

so

odds are the T-90s are getting stuck

[autumn sorrel]

No fuel and you will get farmer towing your IFV away with the tracker

[runic prairie]

Attach a bunch of helium balloons to reduce ground pressure.

[shut wren]

True

[shrewd pecan]

wonder what magic the Vietnamese army could pull with Javelins

[shut wren]

shoots balloon

[shut wren]

Ship some

[runic prairie]

That’s our job

[manic latch]

Wonder if 279 had best ground pressure for her class thanks to 4 tracks

[shut wren]

Mayhaps

[shrewd pecan]

Vietnamese tank killer battlegroups comprised of drone squads with Switchblade 600s and ATGM teams with Javelins

[autumn sorrel]

Many thing, after the whole 79 war thingy, the whole northern defence strategy was overhaul, more emphasis on personel anti tank training at squad level still being standard to this day

[shut wren]

Would cope cages reduce the speed of the drone enough or?

[quick shard]

Was uss montana real?

[shrewd pecan]

the switchblade 600

[shut wren]

Si

[shrewd pecan]

is a Javelin warhead being flung to you by a drone

[manic latch]

www.google.com

[autumn sorrel]

Could be, we already field HERA with mortar shell drop capability

[runic prairie]

Doesn’t matter, the shaped charge still penetrates.

[shrewd pecan]

she was designed and ordered, never built or laid down

[shut wren]

It would still penetrate the ERA?

[quick shard]

crying intensifies

[runic prairie]

Depends on setup but probably yes.

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Yes Javelin's charge pens through era and roof armor. But lose lot of energy while doing it

[autumn sorrel]

What if it is RPG-29 tandem warhead

[shut wren]

Prob yes

I still perfer PF-89 tandem

[manic latch]

Kornet is my favorite. Brute force over trying to ignore

[runic prairie]

I would guess it would.

The precursor charge on the Javelin is offset slightly so the two jets don’t interfere so that might effect outcome.

[autumn sorrel]

Not sure about suicide drone, it might sound cheap but with so many program running in tandem, switchbalde-like UAV kinda hard to procure

[shrewd pecan]

it was primarily hypothetical

tho US backing for Vietnam opens the doors for some interesting possibilities

[shut wren]

Honestly speaking of US backing,I wonder what would have the peace Pearl program became if it actually went through

[autumn sorrel]

We can made a inhouse model, Viettel have more than enough experience to make one, problem is find fund to open another production line

Maybe if Vietnam have some kind of military aid but no way Hanoi would accept that kind of deal

[manic latch]

US is damn smart on who to use as shield or not. Vietnam could become another one with right pushing

[dapper parcel]

It's one of those force multiplier things thats unlikely to be pursued unless things actually went south IMO

[autumn sorrel]

No way, entire defence strategy of Vietnam is depend on deterrence and making invader pay extremely high cost, another core pillar of it is don't piss off the Neighbors too much, especially the Northern one. We could theoretically accept that kind of deal but it break the delicate balance and frankly announce that we choosing side.

[manic latch]

True

Staying netural is best usually

[shut wren]

More advanced equipment would be better to deter the big mf

[dapper parcel]

Not necessarily in geopolitics

[shrewd pecan]

neutrality comes with its own benefits and costs

[dapper parcel]

You might also incite your would be invader to act now if they feel now is the best time to do so before their target is getting too hard

[autumn sorrel]

That being said, we still buy stuff and accept aid from India, China main rival in the region. Sometime, showing that you can still choose the other side does send a message

[shrewd pecan]

generally put I wouldn't want to be the one standing alone in the face in certain recent events in both Europe and Asia

[manic latch]

Gets more better weapons from potential enemy of neighbor
Neighbor: Are those for me?

So yeah it's not always smart to do

[shut wren]

It’s good stuff tho

[autumn sorrel]

Especially for you!

[shut wren]

We need some

[manic latch]

And that's how you get border build ups

[shut wren]

Border buildup=start mobilizing and digging trenches

[autumn sorrel]

Already did, PLA forget 79 but PAVN never forget, the higher up are all vets from that war, being paranoid of China is the norm in state of mind over here.

[shut wren]

79 was the sign to start modernizing and new doctrines

[autumn sorrel]

Not necessary, PAVN prepared for that scenario by drawing mobilization plan and prepare emplacement for decade, for now the border is relatively lightly defend but any build-up from the other side will prompt the adequate response.

[shut wren]

F-2

[autumn sorrel]

Sadly, Japan can't sell their weapon

[shrewd pecan]

you already have plenty of ASMs

[autumn sorrel]

True, but you can't have enough

[shut wren]

The only troops on the border are the people who repaint the border markers

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, that's why we prefer to keep it that way. Catching smuggler is way better then squatting in trenches, most of the Regular army is station in the Red River Delta

[shut wren]

True

The PLA does have some units on the border,just less

Most of the PLA is in and around the major cities

[manic latch]

Cope bags?

[shut wren]

Ur a cope bag

[quick shard]

When you strapped bazookas in a recon plane:
MEET THE ENGINEER

[autumn sorrel]

FEAR THE RPG!!!!

[shut wren]

That mf

[desert agate]

Yes, this is how armies work

Logistics and stuff

Especially in peacetime

Especially for a non-expeditionary force

[shut wren]

You didn’t need to specify

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1649811343925444616

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1996, two F/A-18 Hornets collided while conducting air combat maneuvers over the Atlantic near North Carolina. One plane lost its nose cone, canopy, and an engine. The other plane lost 5 feet of its left wing and 3 feet of its tail. Incredibly, both pilots landed safely.

Likes

128

Twitter · Apr 22, 2023, 4:24 PM

[spring briar]

I have encountered this one already

[shut wren]

Richie

Can gib pictures of French shells pls

[runic prairie]

Broke: Using a boost-glide vehicle to destroy Aircraft Carriers.

Woke: Using a boost-glide vehicle to shoot down aircraft.

World Naval Weapons Systems page 245.

@spring briar

Some interesting PK information

[spring briar]

Tf

[runic prairie]

Guided 40mm shell

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

More cope nets

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

https://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/crash-landings/yak-41-crashes-doing-verticle-landing/1048945583001

[manic latch]

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/f-35b-crashes-during-vertical-landing-in-texas-pilot-ejects/151357.article

[shrewd pecan]

BROTHERS!

[frigid karma]

Is this kremlin trying to jerk off f35 stinky and bad again

[shrewd pecan]

no

[frigid karma]

Could’ve fooled me

[manic latch]

Can you guys stop being so insecure about F-35 getting any kind of criticism

No I'm not saying bad thing about her don't worry

You can sleep soundly

[shrewd pecan]

still like that yak-141 video

old discovery/military channel stuff you don't really get anymore

[manic latch]

Hmm

Weirdest Mig-29 camo yes

[tough quail]

what insecure circle jerk did I miss now

[manic latch]

Qwerty assumed I hurted his F-35

This girl is the reason I have 1 week mute on Drach server

[tough quail]

we're at that angle where it starts looking like a flying saucer

[delicate beacon]

Gz Kremlin_Lover. Towards being the second kill by the F-22. It only took her 40 years.

[tough quail]

dont tell anyone that the raptors are piloted by little green men

really though im just amazed by the

comedic insecurity of following up a picture of the ass of a yak 41 and an f-35 with an article about it crashing

least defensive freaboo

[frigid karma]

Speaking of f22

Politics killed the tomcat folks

[runic prairie]

As capable as the F-22

[tough quail]

F-14 being as good at A2A as a raptor is good lore

accepted cope

[runic prairie]

I think I dislike the circlejerk over the Tomcat more than the A-10.

[frigid karma]

Tomcat fans only like it because of top gun and

Basically nothing else

[tough quail]

no not really

[manic latch]

me thinking: Hmm it's easy to criticize J-20 and Su-57. But what if I try to do it on F-22 in airplane experts channel

Cleve comes: Oi I know the "real reason" you doing it stop it

Gets 1 week mute

Yup. F-22 is protected heavily by community

[tough quail]

tomcats were actually very good for their time, just maintenance whores

A-10s were obsolete on introduction

[runic prairie]

Fair

[tough quail]

the F-14 is neat because it comes with gods most ridiculous radar for the time

[frigid karma]

I think I hate tomcat reformers more because there’s more of them

[tough quail]

that needs like 30 manuals and heavy consulting of the machine spirit to use

[frigid karma]

A-10 fans have been bullied underground for the most part these days

[runic prairie]

Facts

[frigid karma]

Courtesy of a certain questionably accurate pig

[manic latch]

Pig's next victim is Su-57

I'm calling it

[runic prairie]

Oh Laser Pig. On one hand he’s fairly entertaining. On the other he gets a good bit wrong.

[manic latch]

It's so obvious

It's %70 Su-57

[tough quail]

its probably fair to say a hornet isn't really a proper successor but its better in general at this point just due to continuous updating

[frigid karma]

I’d say it’s more likely to be a certain ship

[tough quail]

they werent really built for the same thing

[manic latch]

It's damn easy to do and assume yes

It's the pig

There won't be any nato vehicle unless somewhat disliked as general

Like a-10

[shut wren]

It’s easy to clown on us because it has fucking candards

[tough quail]

don't go too overboard with it kremlin

[manic latch]

Canard doesn't doom a whole plane

[shut wren]

But it’s bad for stealth

[tough quail]

also canards are based

get your shit opinions out of here

[shut wren]

Not on stealth

[runic prairie]

The F/A-18 sacrifices range for increased availability and reduced turn-around time.

Additionally while there were modest efforts to make the F-14 into a proper multirole system, it just wasn’t great due to aforementioned maintenance and availability issues.

[tough quail]

iTs BaD fOr StEaLtH nobody fucking cares

no jet circlejerking

[manic latch]

F-22 has very Long stabilizers which hurts stealth but gives better maneuverability. Yet nobody complains that yeah?

You can see how tall they are

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

Also, interestingly enough

[tough quail]

man it really does look like a little cartoon space ship from the front

[frigid karma]

Someone was claiming France would be busted in a ww1 wt mode because, apparently

[tough quail]

no aliens

[shut wren]

1C and 2C

Those big shits

[frigid karma]

Saint chamond sloped armor would make it invulnerable

All of its 11 millimeters

[tough quail]

correct

🥖

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

Against 57 and 77mm rounds

[tough quail]

the mightiest of sheet metal

[frigid karma]

TFW it has more armor on the sides

Is it schneider?

[runic prairie]

It’s meant to go broadside like warships.

[tough quail]

toot toot

[shut wren]

Alright maiden voyage when

[manic latch]

I think the plane that deserves her wanking community is F-15

Amazing standards and battle proven

[shut wren]

It’s kill record is like 105-0 right

[deep apex]

Ye

[frigid karma]

Ww1 tank designers managing to make a tank with 10 mm of armor weigh more than the local star system

Goering must’ve been the driver

[shut wren]

They had dense steel

[deep apex]

The Renault FT 17 was designed to be powered by a car engine

[manic latch]

Yes it's not a "it's good plane man trust me" thingy it's a battle proven beast

[deep apex]

To speed up production

[deep apex]

And cars were extremely light compared to today's

[tough quail]

so was the... M4A4, iirc?

with a bunch of shitty car engines banked together for the combined power of a scooter

[frigid karma]

Speed wasn’t really important: you certainly didn’t want to be outrunning infantry if every trench has 30 Germans with potato mashers

[manic latch]

What did she do

[frigid karma]

But it was more of the fact that all of them are so

[tough quail]

though the funny firefly meme credits that to the british incorrectly

[frigid karma]

Fucking

[deep apex]

So it's no surprise that a 60 hp engine had trouble pushing a 5 or 6 ton tank beyond 5-6 mph

[frigid karma]

Heavy

[runic prairie]

She’s hot.

[manic latch]

Hmm

[tough quail]

cute

[shut wren]

Tom cat next to old ass car

[tough quail]

not as cool as the one i posted the other da tho

[frigid karma]

Mark I is 28 tons somehow

[tough quail]

that car is the same age

if not younger

[shut wren]

[deep apex]

Have you seen the armament of a St. Chamond?

And all the machine guns that thing had

[frigid karma]

Yes it’s somewhat

Haphazardly added on

[deep apex]

Well yeah no shit. It's going to be heavy

[shut wren]

What happened to the female tanks

The one with MGs only

[deep apex]

Cuz you have to provide room for not just the gun but the poor poilu who had to shoot the damn thing

[deep apex]

Rendered obsolete

[shut wren]

[deep apex]

And the Chamond

That 75mm gun is a chonky piece of fuck

And you have to provide space and protection for the poor cunts who have to load, aim, and fire the shit

[tough quail]

the layering there looks so weird

[deep apex]

All while they're in essentially a fucking lead-fuel based hotbox

[tough quail]

it looks like a bugging video game render

[spring briar]

Where Rafale

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372267338663198720/1091061460643364986/1034723981825159228-1.gif

[deep apex]

No

[spring briar]

Where Eurofighter typhoon

[deep apex]

No

[shut wren]

A-10 jump scare

[spring briar]

Where SU-57

[deep apex]

Okay don't start doing drugs

[shut wren]

[deep apex]

We don't need an OD live on discord

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

Fuck you im doing my blue

[deep apex]

I'm not going to help you, by the way

[manic latch]

I don't post her because I know someone will start bullying her randomly

[spring briar]

That’s ok

[manic latch]

Here Rafale

[spring briar]

Because I can appreciate her

[spring briar]

So pointy

[tough quail]

splendid rafales

[shut wren]

Have AI flow F-16

[spring briar]

https://www.airforce-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2023/01/Image-2-Su-57-Felon.jpg

I smell

[tough quail]

reposting because its sick

[manic latch]

Hmm

[spring briar]

Abs

[shut wren]

Can any other type of shell be applied with a sabot

[tough quail]

you good there honey

[spring briar]

Yes

[shut wren]

Wikipedia search comes up unsatisfying

[tough quail]

yeah theres a wide variety of subcaliber munitions

[spring briar]

Soviet 14” HE sabots existed

[tough quail]

^^^^

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

The Germans tested with 105 and 128/88mm APHE sabots

[manic latch]

Me eating F-14: Sorry Tom Cruise

[maiden citrus]

sorry, mistook for hot dog

[manic latch]

Hot hog

[spring briar]

Do not the kitten

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

British tea making planes

[shut wren]

Don’t eat cats

They don’t taste good

[tough quail]

im really busy or else i'd be more assblasted by the a-10/tomcat comparison

[shut wren]

They having a ciggie break

[spring briar]

Wait…
Flying cat
Tomcat

[tough quail]

illuminati

[shut wren]

Elephant walk

[runic prairie]

Out of all the shipgirl designs, Seattle disappoints me the most.

She’s named after a Native American Chief but they made her some generic Starbucks-drinking college girl.

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan

[tough quail]

...yeah they modelled her after someone from seattle

her characterization is gr8

[shut wren]

Tbh I like her face

[runic prairie]

Yeah, I know. I live around there.

Idk like it would be nice to have a contrast between her party side and her “I’m going to murder a bunch of people” side.

[shrewd pecan]

the one time I went to Seattle I just remember

multiple intersections that just had

a starbucks in every corner of the intersection

[manic latch]

@spring briar

[shut wren]

I went to NJ today

Fast food everywhere

[runic prairie]

I mean yeah it’s like that but also Chief Seattle did what historians call “A Little Trolling” (genocide of the Chimakum tribe).

[tough quail]

seattle is a lovely girl who shall not be slandered

[runic prairie]

She is, but they missed a real opportunity given that she (although indirectly) is named after a historical figure.

[shut wren]

So

Just make her wise and remember history

[spring briar]

I have this one already, but nice to see

[runic prairie]

Have her conduct coastal raids on the Sirens.

[shut wren]

Im not yostar

Take it up with em

[shut wren]

Sacrifice to the kraken

[manic latch]

@tough quail Everyone knows about TORs on ships but what about Avenger on ships?

[tough quail]

smol friend

[shut wren]

That shit better be bolted down so it doesn’t fly off

[manic latch]

Use your eyes

Look at first picture

[shut wren]

Ye I know

[runic prairie]

Didn’t the Marines come up with this during wargames?

I also remember they like to stick LAVs on the deck for extra ASuW capability.

[shut wren]

Bolt it more

[manic latch]

I prefer this

[shut wren]

Old times

Good times

[runic prairie]

Not a bad idea

Especially on a budget.

Granted there are issues with role and subsequent accuracy.

[shut wren]

And turning

[runic prairie]

I know the Marines are looking at using HIMARS for shore bombardment.

Which, given it uses guided missiles doesn’t have that issue.

[frigid karma]

navy doesn’t want stealth ship with shore bombardment
navy also ordered LCS

[spring briar]

Light cruiser on a budget

[shut wren]

Broke man’s light cruiser

[wintry moat]

Is this real?

[shut wren]

Yes

[wintry moat]

Bro

[shut wren]

1996 PLA stuff

1990s at the oldest

[shut wren]

?

[wintry moat]

That is nuts

[shut wren]

PLA was pooooooor

We had to make due

[shrewd pecan]

what I see in my dreams

[shut wren]

Tato being tato

[spring briar]

That looks sexy

What is it

[shrewd pecan]

Convair Model 200

[spring briar]

Yes I can read that but what was it for and such

[shrewd pecan]

supersonic VTOL pitched to the navy to operate off of the proposed SCSs

[spring briar]

Thats one ugly ass cv

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

unfortunately its much less successful competitor ended up being the one that was built

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_XFV-12

[runic prairie]

More like a CVE

At least in role.

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_Model_200

it had two proposed variants, a standard carrier CATOBAR variant

alongside its VTOL variant

[runic prairie]

Hmmmm

Sounds familiar

[shrewd pecan]

proto F-35

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

that looks like a JAS-39 and the Viggen had a baby

[spring briar]

Looks pretty cool

[shrewd pecan]

it's swivel nozzle did lay the groundwork for the F-35B's engine so

just a shame it never ended up making it to prototype form

[runic prairie]

Did it have a radar?

[shrewd pecan]

yes

it was meant to carry two AIM-7Fs and 2 AIM-9Ls

[runic prairie]

Small nose had me worried.

[shrewd pecan]

you can see the AIM-7s on the drawings as well

[runic prairie]

I realize my stupidity.

[shrewd pecan]

I feel like if it ended up being built it would of ended up with additional pylons

tho initial designs only showed it with 4

then again that armament would of put it inline with the Hornet's early air to air armament

[frigid karma]

Sounds accurate, have you been to Seattle

Party city for sure

Plus I like her

I’m coping Alaska is an Inuit

[spring briar]

@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

What

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

[spring briar]

Smol shell

[delicate beacon]

Yes

Very cute

[manic latch]

Rare Vanguard

[delicate beacon]

Silly Kremlin. That's main fleet not vanguard.

[delicate beacon]

Dutch States of America

[unborn wyvern]

Wife

I hope I can see New Jersey at some point. Same with all the Iowas

[frigid karma]

tiger day :3

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/12vbid9/hans_ze_transmission_broke_again/

@spring briar porn for you, tiger breaking its transmission

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

(actually just a stall)

[jagged monolith]

God
天主
천주
A brilliant translation.

[frigid karma]

oh hey perfect timing

@jagged monolith

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/12uv8qe/tank_cqb/

Could you translate what this is supposed to be for me? thanks

[jagged monolith]

3rd Armored Brigade practices urban tank combat.

[frigid karma]

danke

[shut wren]

What was the most useless ordinace ever put on a aircraft?

[grave ravine]

I've only seen Missouri so far of the Iowas, but I hope to see all of them as well

[unborn wyvern]

Nice

[shut wren]

I shoulda known

[shut wren]

Boat

[weak spoke]

The us occupation of Japan really helped Japan in my opinion

[desert agate]

the allied occupation certainly had its ups and downs

made the UN response to Korea much faster though

afaik, 77SQN RAAF was the first UN fighter squadron to enter combat over the peninsular, escorting American bombers and the like

[weak spoke]

I feel like if another pacific war breaks out america might use midway again

[runic prairie]

Maybe for P-3s but beyond that and maybe a token force I highly doubt it.

I guess P-8s seeing as the P-3 is being retired.

[desert agate]

as in USS Midway or Midway Atoll?

[weak spoke]

Midway atoll

[runic prairie]

It just doesn’t have the facilities to rearm large bombers like B-52s, which would be the only aircraft feasibly used from that distance.

Wake is closer and Oahu has the infrastructure.

Most effort would probably go to Okinawa and the Marianas islands given their more forward position.

[desert agate]

Midway only serves as a potentially useful anti-submarine aircraft base

and even then, why use Midway for that, which has complex logistical challenges, when Hawaii is right there

[tough quail]

clearly the idea is to use the carrier instead

[runic prairie]

It is about 1000 nautical miles away so there is a genuine reason to base ASW aircraft there.

[tough quail]

which i think would disintegrate if you turned the engines on

[eternal veldt]

@tough quail while we're at it

[tough quail]

b a s e d

[frigid karma]

that's what they want you to think

[quick shard]

attempts to piggyback

[frozen yoke]

so I ended seeing Mikasa recently. the only Azur lane ship I've now seen in real life

[shut wren]

Old gramps still floating

[frozen yoke]

not the oldest ship I've been on

still floating or operating

[desert agate]

so far been aboard one ship from AL

will be on mikasa in december tho

[frozen yoke]

I've been on several Old Naval ships

Forgotten which ones

I've been on at least, HMAS Casltemaine, HMAS Vampire, USS Midway and IJN mikasa

plus several subs

[kindred reef]

have you been on essex class?

[frozen yoke]

no, not yet

[kindred reef]

i am planning to go see intrepid this summer

i will post pictures here if i do

[frozen yoke]

I wouldn't mind going back to Casltemaine TBH

I love that plucky ship

[desert agate]

HMAS Diamantina is an excellent ship if you ever get aboard her

yet to find myself on a Bathurst in spite of them being my favourite class of warship, but hopefully next year if/when i move over East

[frozen yoke]

I've also helped with a naval open day too

[desert agate]

and i lost all my photos from my last time on Vampire

[frozen yoke]

the railway I used to volenteered on was orginally based at a naval base

[desert agate]

our only museum warship is Ovens

lots of fortifications around though which is cool

went on Belfast last year tho

that was sick

still only 2nd place for the largest warship ive been aboard tho

[frozen yoke]

My largest warship was Midway

[desert agate]

my largest so far is HMAS Choules

went aboard for a recruitment event

[shut wren]

I been to the CV in Manhattan

Forgot the name

[desert agate]

thats Intrepid

[shut wren]

[frozen yoke]

the day we learnt that Bush Sr died

[desert agate]

goddamn carriers are cool

[shut wren]

Fr

Big ass ship carrying the airforce of a entire smaller nation

[desert agate]

shame we didnt keep melbourne or sydney

[shut wren]

The US carriers of course

[desert agate]

alas, far too expensive for museums

especially in this country

[shut wren]

Poor times happen

[frozen yoke]

my father went on the Melborune

[desert agate]

i mean we were hardly poor in the 70s/80s

[frozen yoke]

his father had connections

[desert agate]

jealous

shes my favourite warship

[frozen yoke]

Little M

or can opener

[shut wren]

I wanna go visit one of the CV museums we had in China if they’re still around

[desert agate]

hide your destroyers

[shut wren]

Ark Royal!

[desert agate]

no

Melbourne and Enterprise

[shut wren]

Oh

[desert agate]

Melbourne sank 2 friendly destroyers in her career

only carrier to do so

[shut wren]

Which ones

[frozen yoke]

makes me wonder if they added in melbourne into Azur lane, are they going to make her mentally unstable and hates destroyers

[desert agate]

HMAS Voyager (Daring class destroyer) and USS Frank E Evans (allen m sumner)

both collisions were the fault of the destroyers, but overall poor communication between the ships was the fundamental issue

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

there's only one actual museum and it's Minsk in Jiangsu
Kiev is a casino/hotel now, basically nothing naval left

[shut wren]

Yea those

I just forgot the names

[desert agate]

would be based

[frozen yoke]

but no joke I think she would be a klutz

[desert agate]

interestingly, American A-4 pilots when assigned to exchange on Melbourne, would often refuse to land on her because the flight deck was so small

[shut wren]

So no booba

[shut wren]

Honestly a shame they never commissioned those

[desert agate]

and her replacement, HMS Invincible was a mere few weeks away from sitting safely in Sydney Harbour before Argentina invaded the Falklands and the deal was called off

[desert agate]

Kievs were borderline worthless, and would need a complete rebuild to reach anywhere near viability since they had no catapults, no ramp, and no viable foreign VTOL aircraft to fly off them

[shut wren]

Oh

The kievs mf

Mb

[desert agate]

Chinas aviation industry was, and to an extent still is, incapable of developing a VTOL airframe

[shut wren]

We have no need for VTOL aircraft tho

[desert agate]

exactly

but if the PLAN commissioned the Kievs, there would be a need

[shut wren]

Put a ramp on it

[desert agate]

not only incredibly expensive, but possibly not even possible due to the already limited deck space and the strain the weight would put on the hull

[shut wren]

Yea true

Prob a good idea they never did

[desert agate]

you'd basically need to rebuild the entire ship from about the hangar floor up

[shut wren]

Or could convert to helicopter landing dock?

[desert agate]

and for what, a mediocre carrier with a small hangar that will struggle to conduct landing and take off operations at the same time

[desert agate]

helicopter landing yes, dock, no

[shut wren]

Knowing 1980s -90 PLA they prob figure something out

[desert agate]

you cant put a well deck into a ship that already exists

you have to design keel up for it

[shut wren]

So just a helicopter carrier

[desert agate]

LPH would be your best option

but again, why

[shut wren]

I mean

1990s PLA really had nothing

Could make use

[desert agate]

PLA at the time had very little investment in landing capabilities, and an LPH requires coordination with other dedicated landing platforms to conduct effective operations

[shut wren]

I see

[desert agate]

buying a Kiev and converting it to an LPH gives you a ship that doctrinally you have no use for, the army its meant to support isnt configured to operate from it and even if it did, you can't conduct a naval landing with helicopters alone

[shut wren]

Yea figured as much

But why did Thailand buy the 071s?

[desert agate]

it has a well deck

which means it can land heavy equipment

071s are LPDs which means they can land and support a small airwing of helicopters, but also has a well deck for conducting landing operations

[shut wren]

Yea but I don’t think Thailand had a use for them

[desert agate]

the Thai evidently disagree

[quick shard]

Aughhhhhh

[desert agate]

Thailand has a long coastline with many isolated areas which are prone to large natural disasters such as typhoons

[shut wren]

Ok so

They’re using it for rescues

Not for invasions

[desert agate]

having the capability that an LPD provides is essential for those HADR operations

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

who is using ships for invasions right now?

i dont see too many naval invasions going on

[shut wren]

Couldn’t them have brought those coast guard ships?

[shut wren]

Soon™️

[chilly osprey]

It is also super useful for just moving troops and equipment around when there's not a lot of infrastructure to do so.

[quick shard]

Get a topic to make me sleep please

[desert agate]

helicopters and landing craft are immensely useful for moving, landing and supporting heavy equipment and shipping containers

[desert agate]

lol

lmao even

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

https://news.usni.org/2021/07/26/chinese-navy-using-commercial-car-ferries-to-launch-amphibious-landing-craft

Chinas strongest ferry vs gods weakest LRASM

[shut wren]

Bruh they fr doing this shit

[desert agate]

not that they have the capability to land or even support a major landing force even if they tried it, even with the ferrys

[shut wren]

we need more 075s

[frozen yoke]

not to mention, how fast are they?

[shut wren]

No idea

[desert agate]

the PLAN needs more realistic planning

not 075s

and realistic planning would dictate picking their battles and giving up because its not going to work

and it isnt worth the cost

[shut wren]

Haha,the PLAN can’t plan

[desert agate]

but yknow near-fascist dictatorships gonna near-fascist dictatorship and gotta rile up the proles to die in a pointless war because the Taiwanese president has Japanese ancestors (unforgivable sin)

[shut wren]

[quick shard]

USS anchorage is in Ph dock rn

[shut wren]

2027

[desert agate]

lol

[maiden citrus]

near?

[shut wren]

We should prob switch topics before I get shot by the red men

[desert agate]

please, get shot by the red men, it would improve the channel greatly

[shut wren]

Nah

Not today

[maiden citrus]

it'd be easiest to just not larp as a wehrb alternative in the first place

[desert agate]

i pray for its eventuality

[shut wren]

Spon buili

[chilly osprey]

Well, I wouldn't really say they can't plan. They're plainly looking at the logistical scale of such an operation, which is massive, and something they're trying to figure out work-arounds on.

There's also the fundamental fact that any potential scenario around taking [REDACTED] involves basically securing air and sea supremacy around the island in the first place, which means you have to fight - and defeat - the USN & friends in the Philippine Sea. And that fight basically will determine whether or not you can actually start landing operations against [REDACTED].

And the date at which they think they'll be ready for that fight is significantly beyond the much hyped-2027.

That is the fight they're building a carrier force for, and intend to build a decent-sized force of SSNs for.

[desert agate]

the Chinese fought hard to end their foreign imposed century of humiliation
now they get to enjoy their self imposed century of recession

[shut wren]

Big man on top said so

[shut wren]

Soon™️

[desert agate]

big man on top cant change reality

[shut wren]

Ye

[chilly osprey]

Big man on top was speaking in the context of a campaign against [REDACTED] alone, not taking [REDACTED] with the US & co. as an opponent too

[desert agate]

im sure that austrian painter knock off number 5 will thoroughly enjoy getting his ass handed to him if he attempts his 2027 deadline

[chilly osprey]

Each of these is a massively different scenario.

[desert agate]

the real big man on top already ended strategic ambiguity

austrian painter knockoff cant really bet on the US potentially not coming to Taiwans aid anymore

[shut wren]

Big man gotta Big man

[chilly osprey]

Believe it or not, there is a middle ground of reality between "the sky will fall in 2027" and "Well the PRC really doesn't know what they're doing"

[desert agate]

well yes, but its funnier to exaggerate against mr puts Z in his nickname and pretends that no one would notice

[shut wren]

The other guy?

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

nuanced discussion is all well and good but i personally choose to abandon most pretences of the concept against LARPers sitting in their Canadian basement claiming to be Chinas strongest soldier

anyway heres a boat

[shut wren]

Have funny soviet boat

[kindred reef]

turrets look like daring class?

[desert agate]

correct

but the turrets were used on more than just the Darings

[ivory ridge]

🅱️anpire

[kindred reef]

what is this boat?

[shut wren]

Soviet Boat

Patrol boat firing water cannon

[desert agate]

you'll find those mounts on just about every commonwealth DD/FF built between the mid-late 40s and early 60s

[kindred reef]

[shut wren]

Im actually sitting in a US basement

[kindred reef]

in terms of soviet boats, i like this one the best, without question

[desert agate]

observe, not a Daring, has a 4in mk6 mount

[kindred reef]

i see

[desert agate]

built 1965-68

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

the River class were admittedly among the last ships to equip the mount however

[shut wren]

Could patriot SAM systems data link with S-300s

[desert agate]

no

would require effectively a rebuild of both systems software

[shut wren]

[thorn trail]

like connecting a USB port into a Firewire port

[desert agate]

Wouldn't really be of any use anyway

More like plugging a USB into a DVD reader

Fundamentally completely different systems

[maiden citrus]

firewire is too, the data is sent an entirely different way usb can't handle

[desert agate]

Yeah okay I guess

thats fair enough

[maiden citrus]

(firewire is also used extensively in military systems like this for a tie in)

[shut wren]

So like

any of yall know why the Peace pearl program for J-8 was canceled

cant find shit online

[thorn trail]

pretty sure a lot of the data interfaces for military aircraft is firewire

[maiden citrus]

yup

[thorn trail]

afaik a lot of the sensor data is basically passed thru firewire

[maiden citrus]

firewire is high quality, doesn't need the cpu to answer each request it makes for data and can talk to any device along the node

also duplex

[thorn trail]

afaik it's the 2nd point that makes it very valuable as it lowers the latency between each device due to not needing a cpu to answer requests or needing a host controller like USB

[maiden citrus]

indeed, it has its own chip controller, usb doesn't, and it's why usb never hits anywhere near its theoretical speeds is it gets bogged down by its own bureaucracy as a system

firewire is tree topology and can daisy chain too, it's just better for communication of data to multi devices in general

[thorn trail]

yeah but USB is kind of more universal and fluid than firewire hence it's win over firewire

also cheaper to produce

[maiden citrus]

yeah, just a good example of a lesser technology winning purely because it was dirt cheap, not because it was good

[thorn trail]

the final nail is the fact that USB has power delivery in the spec

[maiden citrus]

firewire can actually deliver more power despite that funnily enough

luckily usb is becoming firewire-like with usb c

and less usb like

[thorn trail]

pls no USB-micro B

USB-C is gucci

[maiden citrus]

dead on arrival usb b was

and now usb a is only used for legacy periphreals

[thorn trail]

that stupid ass wide USB connector on hard drives

that breaking and taking the port on the external hard drive with it was one of the main issues I had with it

and then USB Printer ports

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/혼파망-피자-당황-community-chaos-gif-16635574

Blessed 130mm

[shut wren]

052D gang

[tight notch]

https://www.anews.com.tr/gallery/turkey/turkish-army-receives-countrys-locally-made-new-altay-tank

[manic latch]

Look much better than what it was long ago

This is likely done for uhh elections I assume however

I expect 1-2 years of testing before she gets into full production

[runic prairie]

The Indians did it with the Baku

[manic latch]

Before after ye

[runic prairie]

Iirc the Baku did have some fundamental design differences that made conversion easier (I believe there were even plans by the Soviets to do as much) but applying a similar modification to the other Kievs wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility.

The main issue was the neglect that many of them had seen, which was the primary reason behind not commissioning them.

[runic prairie]

Because of something that never happened^TM .

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

Yes but it’s not worth it at the time we had the kievs

[shut wren]

The US stilled allowed it to continue after said nothing had happened

[runic prairie]

The Arms embargo that quickly followed put an end to it.

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

@shut wren

How advanced has the Chinese “Death by Powerpoint” capability become?

[shut wren]

Huh?

[manic latch]

Bro he isn't expert on China

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

What you mean by that lol

[runic prairie]

Like the chinese capability to make utterly incomprehensible PowerPoints.

http://www.willreno.org/Afghanistan_Dynamic_Planning.pdf

Something like that

It’s a useful gauge of how advanced a military is.

The more incomprehensible the better.

[spring briar]

Wtf

[shut wren]

wtf is this shit lmao

brain failure 10000%

[lavish fable]

im saving this thank you

[weak spoke]

American really said during the Pearl Harbor salvage operations. Rise my beauties and have your revenge

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

@shrewd pecan Panzer IV H vismod at 3.7, your thoughts?

[shut wren]

99a

And it shit itself

[shrewd pecan]

evaporate 30% of gaijins corporate valuation

[frigid karma]

wdym? it's just a panzer iv h

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

a 105mm? haha yeah the panzer iv had a 105 howitzer, dont ask questions

[manic latch]

@tough quail

Love phone wallpapers like these

[shut wren]

Soviet stuff

[manic latch]

These are B-52s...

[shut wren]

BUFF

[tough quail]

rad

[runic prairie]

Can the Tu-142 (maritime patrol version) carry anti-ship missiles?

Like Kh-35

[chilly osprey]

No, it wasn't meant for anti-ship duties.

It was a long-range ASW aircraft

[manic latch]

She is ASW focused. But 142M had such feature I think

[runic prairie]

Thanks. Sounds similar to the P-3 Orion in that respect.

[manic latch]

If there is a bomber hull there is a way ye

Or large hull smh

[tough quail]

my life was changed when someone pointed out Betty's carrying Ohkas were basically proto-Backfires

[runic prairie]

That was me.

[manic latch]

Yosh

[runic prairie]

I mean “Kamikazes The Soviet Legacy”, which is about MRA operations makes fairly explicit parallels between the two.

Survival rates for Backfire crews were not expected to be high.

[manic latch]

Closest thing to Ohka was Mig 15 turned to anti ship KS-1

[frigid karma]

the hatch

[tough quail]

man naval warfare will never be as cool as the standoff of backfires and tomcats

[runic prairie]

“Dance of The Vampires” really left its mark

[manic latch]

We also missed naval Su-47s because of collapse

Ulyanovsk

[tough quail]

I think su-47s were a little too whacky to stick around even if the USSR did

[manic latch]

Su-47/S-37 had its roots from S-32 and S-22 projects. These were replacements for navy Su-33 and hence had to have a folding wing.

[tough quail]

~~and the mig 144 was cooler~

[manic latch]

Big girl yes

[shrewd pecan]

from certain angles the 57 can look cool

Tho personally I prefer the goofyness of the MIG 144

It maintains that Soviet look

[tough quail]

cool and good soviet rafale

[tough quail]

also as far as stealth jet aesthetic goes it's f-35 > felon > f-22 > the Chinese ones I keep forgetting the names of

unless we include liveries obviously but that's essentially cheating

[manic latch]

J 20

[shut wren]

J-20 and uhh

J-31

or 35

[manic latch]

China put this on museum

Different variant of FC31 i guess

[shut wren]

I see

[shrewd pecan]

When you think about it the Europeans essentially developed the same fighter twice, one’s just French (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[tough quail]

it's just the airborne amx-30

[shrewd pecan]

French one this time around is also the better one

[tough quail]

France decides the rest of Europe is fake and gay midway through program and makes the same thing but cooler

it didn't get developed as far but the Amx-30 did have the best HEAT in the world for a while

had that going for it

[manic latch]

There was a Soviet typhoon before typhoon

Let me remember it's name

[tough quail]

is it typhoon in Cyrillic

[shut wren]

Mig-25?

[manic latch]

What was your name hmm

[tough quail]

oh right I've seen that thing before

[manic latch]

Then there is uhhh S something that stayed as concept

[tough quail]

I too love hitting yes when I need to pick between a fulcrum and a typhoon

[manic latch]

Almost picked F-16 for Mig-29's project? too

But Soviets ain't China

They gone original

Mi-26 is sexiest helicopter I swear

Cool Nato name: Halo
Largest heli ever mass produced
Cargo helicopter so just chilling
Doesn't care about cold or heat
Can lift most things you want her to

And super cute

[tough quail]

lorge

[runic prairie]

Chonky.

[spring briar]

Amx-30 export dream

A dream

[shut wren]

make your dreams come true one day

[tough quail]

there's enough goofy conflicts to still export them

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I think this is the best angle of Su-57. Front lower left

[spring briar]

Atleast the amx-30 had armor
slaps Leopard 1
Leopard 1’s ammo cooks off

[spring briar]

Abs

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[tough quail]

also coaxial autocannons were dope

[spring briar]

Seriously

Amx-30 but just add a stabiliser

[tough quail]

yaes

[spring briar]

God knows why they didnt add one

So dumb

[shut wren]

They forgor

[tough quail]

goofy start stop doctrine

[spring briar]

Im sure they had a reason yeah but still

Wouldn’t have made much difference doctrinally

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Warrior IFV doesn't have stabs too irrc

[tough quail]

at least it's not the m60 where they finally put one on

and it didn't work anyway

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Ah

152mm launcher is future of tank warfare

Good times

[shut wren]

shit takes a year to reload tho

[manic latch]

Problem ain't reload

[tough quail]

hey it was a good idea for the Sheridan dammit

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Sensitive tech kept broken down

[tough quail]

they just kept clinging to the goofy missile

[shut wren]

Autoloader goes boom?

[spring briar]

Yeah but horse

Let’s be honest

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Sheridan flies up when she fires it which shakes the whole systems

[spring briar]

m60

[tough quail]

yea

[spring briar]

internal chuckle

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So army was like maybe it would work better on M60

It did not

[spring briar]

I’m sorry I shouldn’t be like that to the M60

[tough quail]

using it as an HE and HEAT flinger on the Sheridan was the best idea anyway

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Marines: Hides M103A2 with M60 engine

[tough quail]

Basically a parachute Uber howitzer that could crack any mbt in the world at the time in half

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Sheridan fired like

5 times in a war

Out of 88k build 152mm ammo

Yeah..

[tough quail]

but the missile is the funny part that didn't work so they scrapped the entire platform instead of just the shit part

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Sheridan, M60 Starship, MBT-70

Maybe it was too futuristic for its own good

[spring briar]

Oh no my post got removed by the cia