history

[spring briar]

Krem

[dapper parcel]

How they even plan to balance that shit?

[manic latch]

I mean she normally use a 130mm/60 gun

[dapper parcel]

The barrel needed for that 100000++ PSI chamber pressure is going to be way heavier tho

[manic latch]

I think these were the shells

[shut wren]

What the fuck are those

[spring briar]

Pretty standard looking shells

[ivory ridge]

BC -> battlecruiser, pretty much a battleship with slightly different characteristics depending on the time period and navy in question

BM-> Monitor, smaller vessels armed with a single battleship caliber turret

Actually they don't need to be BB caliber but still

I think some south american navy still uses the term monitor for a ship armed with a

76mm

[manic latch]

Why mounted weapons have mounts

But armed weapons don't have arms

Oh my Goodness

[shut wren]

[dapper parcel]

river monitor is a different breed tbf

at least they won't be "BM"

[manic latch]

The British aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales, which broke down in October 2022, will leave the docks with a delay in 2024 due to improper repairs, the Daily Mail newspaper reports.

Earlier, the Times newspaper, citing the Ministry of Defense, reported that the aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales, the largest ship in the British fleet, since commissioning in 2019, was more often in the docks for repairs than at sea.

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

https://www.youtube.com/live/-1wcilQ58hI?feature=share

5 min left

1 minute

Halt for 40 seconds

[spring briar]

I hope it blows up

[manic latch]

Highly possible

[spring briar]

Good

[manic latch]

30 seconds

10

1

Look at her go

[spring briar]

💥

[manic latch]

600km/h

700km/h

800

900

1200

Woah

[spring briar]

Slow

[manic latch]

1700

2000

[spring briar]

Apollo 11 was going at 122km/s at some point

[manic latch]

Based

This girl has 33 engines

[spring briar]

Ok nvm 7 miles per second

But still fast af

7 miles is 11.2 km

I forgot a comma

[manic latch]

Uhh

It's spinning

No separation

[spring briar]

Good

Hahaha

YES

[manic latch]

Blow up

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Hey not bad

Reached to separation stage before blowing

[spring briar]

Trash

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QusWrho19zE

[dapper parcel]

That's three times solar system's escape velocity lol
Neil be like ends up in proxima centauri

[spring briar]

I FORGOT A COMMA

[maiden citrus]

why are we hoping cool space engine stuff blows up

[ivory ridge]

elon musk

[spring briar]

Elon wants to use his cramped pointy trashcan of a ship to fly 100 people to mars (they would all die) and also use it for things like flying from say LA to Tokyo in 3 hours instead of half a day

There’s nothing cool about it

It’s a hyped piece of environmental terrorism

[delicate beacon]

Cutting flight times sounds like something only the ultra elite would benefit from.

[fiery zenith]

This is Thailand's only CV in the CVH type, and I like our CV, it's named the HTMS Chakri Naruebet

[delicate beacon]

How long have we been doing and sticking to subsonic flights?

[fiery zenith]

Our CV is small compared to USS Kitty Hawk (bottom)

Built in 1993, launched in 1996

I've been on the ship once and it feels great

I took these pictures in 2016, when I was on this ship

[delicate beacon]

What a cutie

[fiery zenith]

let me censor the faces

It's small, and it's the only aircraft carrier in the Royal (Thai) Navy.

Nevertheless it is a CVH class aircraft carrier

People would line up, buy tickets and tour the ship at their leisure

it's open to the public, but only while it's stationary and not in duty

It's still an active duty CV

[dapper parcel]

Ever since we figure out that time doesn't really equal that much money for 99.9% of the potential passengers

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

F

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/DylanBurns1776/status/1649063895238164491

Dylan Burns 🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈 (@DylanBurns1776)

this makes it look like he died

Likes

105

Twitter · Apr 20, 2023, 2:54 PM

[runic prairie]

God Willing one day it will be true.

[quick shard]

just finished watching all Quiet in the western front,damm...

[manic latch]

When is All Loud in the Eastern Front

[modest vigil]

lol

[autumn sorrel]

Why Richie hate Starship?

[manic latch]

Elon

[autumn sorrel]

I like spaceship, purely so we can have a space navy and start shooting slug/missile/laser at each other.

Imagine 16inch gun but in space

Man, I want it so bad

[manic latch]

You want wars I see

[autumn sorrel]

Not really, I want to see a good weapon system and space battleship

[manic latch]

For what

[autumn sorrel]

Bc why not

Purely a child like dream of mine, been playing with model, reading novel and playing sim game, maybe in my life time I will get to see something like that become real thing

Wait, if weight in space is meaningless and the only limitation is propulsion, how realistically can you make a space battleship?

Like full on vessel of war, no shuttle conversion, completely armed with big gun, missile and CIWS.

[grave ravine]

Honestly I thought the movie was kind of meh, and the book was a lot better

[dapper parcel]

Bruh, weight is maybe meaningless, but mass is definitely still bog you down
Good luck accelerating 100000 tons of anything

Now that in space propulsion reaction force is exclusively coming from your own fuel instead of the environment around you, the mass limitation should be even greater than on earth for a foreseeable future

[quick shard]

the book made me imagine,the movie just straight up made me tear up

[grave ravine]

The things that bugged me were things like the fact that the German general just seemed like a caricature of mustache twirling evil, and they cut the scene where he went home

And the "score" just bugged me

[autumn sorrel]

So until we get a better and more efficient thruster, no space battleship?

[quick shard]

We all know where this is going

[dapper parcel]

Unless you want your battleship to be 90% fuel, sure

[autumn sorrel]

Where is Epstein drive when you need it

[dapper parcel]

Epstein drive
Thrust intofrom minors?

[autumn sorrel]

Not that pervert, the Expanse one

[dapper parcel]

We do have a wide array of electro/magnetic drives. Problem is that most of the designs are in some way a compromise between thrust (power) and specific impulse (efficiency), not both

None are scalable to large engines so far, tho that's partially caused by our reluctance to lob nuclear reactor into space

[delicate beacon]

That looks like someone assembled a Schelde S.21 but mixed up the engine and cockpit.

[runic prairie]

Children of A Dead Earth is probably the best game that “realistically” simulates space combat.

Granted it has less a learning curve and more learning cliff (and has an annoying lack of gold-beryllium tampers for nukes) but it’s generally very good at depicting space combat.

Conventional space combat is all about kinetic energy missiles while with nukes it would probably devolve to Casaba Howitzers and Excalibur type X-Ray weapons sniping vessels from thousands of kilometers away.

[dapper parcel]

Hypervelocity KEP is pretty much the game here

[dapper parcel]

Thermoelectric junctions don't even "work"

Also cheating the calculation with comically sized calcium pump impeller

[spring briar]

@ivory ridge I think I have entered Turkish youtube

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651823796453638144/1036911307661787156/uncaption.gif

[spring briar]

yes

that guy

I'm currently trying to research Ottoman ships and guns

it's...

weird

[frigid karma]

Turns out female pandas can spontaneously delete pregnancy of a baby of a male panda they don’t like

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Natural selection

But evolution

Smh

[spring briar]

Krem

[manic latch]

Nobody knows these battles

They only know Tsushima

[spring briar]

remember the Russo-Ottoman war of 1877?

[manic latch]

Ye

[spring briar]

They sank Lütf-i Celil with deck piercing mortars

Lütf-i Celil was built in France

friend hurt my ship

krem y

[manic latch]

Sold her to wrong person

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

she wasn't sold to the Ottomans

She was sold to Egypt

but the Ottomans took Egypt

remember

[spring briar]

what?

[manic latch]

F

[shut wren]

Rip boat

Anyways uhh

[spring briar]

why the

[shut wren]

Cuz

[shut wren]

Quick question

How are US armored brigades structured

[delicate beacon]

This video is great

They're all spinning btw

[manic latch]

"I can't carry anymore"

[grave ravine]

Honestly I like the way clean F-16 without the enlarged spine looks better than the block 70s with enlarged spine and CFTs

Both look cool though cuz F-16 is awesome

[shrewd pecan]

it can always carry more

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtNIa2zdpJ8

[shut wren]

Now I’m actually curious how much ordinance you can actually fit in the F-16

[shrewd pecan]

15k pounds

[shut wren]

[tight notch]

How did you find?

[manic latch]

He searched your name

[shrewd pecan]

at one point I managed to break twitter into thinking I spoke French somehow

[shut wren]

Twitter just thinks I speak Japanese and Chinese

[tight notch]

Lepanto?

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Navarino

Why did you say Lepanto. There is Ottoman and Russian navy flags in art

[shut wren]

How much boom can the abrams blow out panels blow

[tight notch]

I not saw the Russian flags.

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

“Viper, it’s time for your weekly upgrade so I can post you on r/chonkers.”

“General Dynamics I am dying of airframe fatigue.”

[shut wren]

Mfs wings boutta snap off

[strong plank]

Saw a raptor today but I wasn’t allowed to take pics

[shut wren]

Damn

[strong plank]

Gun port was open

[shut wren]

So?

[strong plank]

So they don’t want people taking pictures of the hatch for the gun

[frigid karma]

Good

Careful you don’t end up in the news regal

[runic prairie]

🤤

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

They wanted to keep all that Gussy to themselves.

[strong plank]

Plon

[wintry moat]

I thought she was scrapped?

they actually nuked her?

[maiden citrus]

no

the person is incorrect, she was scrapped

[wintry moat]

Ah

I thought so

I heard she was broken down by a Razor company

how true that is idk

or that’s where the metal ended up

[frigid karma]

Nah, that's a meme

she just got scrapped as usual

The likelihood of her survival as a museum ship is pretty nil anyways, with the damage she's sustained

[wintry moat]

How bad was she at the end?

I know she was bombed several times but I mean, even Avrora was literally sunk and fixed

I thought it was less her state of repairs and more of Lack of funding

[maiden citrus]

both

even in magic carpet she was damaged

[subtle prawn]

Halsey wanted to save her

[wintry moat]

ah

I know Halsey did

[subtle prawn]

Some veterans were glad that she was scrapped though

[frigid karma]

@chilly flower is there any way to tell the difference between an A-36 and a P-51 besides the flaps on the wings?

the flaps are basically perfectly camouflaged into the wings if they're not extended

[wintry moat]

Well, how many times had that happened to Museum ships?

I mean, I definitely understand the sentiment

losing your friends on them just to see a kid putting gum there must kill people

[subtle prawn]

That's the only instance that I'm absolutely certain of

The anti-air cruiser Colbert was a museum for a while, but then was scrapped about a decade ago

[wintry moat]

I find it ironic how Yorky and Hornet were saved through their successors

even before I had heard of AL, I always felt ships develop a sort of soul

or personality

[frigid karma]

well, yes

shipgirls is not new as a concept

[chilly flower]

The one other obvious external difference would probably be the nose-mounted .50s below the propeller, otherwise it is still very similar to the P-51A in most regards

[frigid karma]

warships are one of the more anthropomorphized objects

[quick shard]

ded

[subtle prawn]

On 19 April 1944, the Royal Navy's Eastern Fleet carries out its first aircraft carrier strike, attacking the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) base at Sabang Island in the Dutch East Indies.

Spurred on by reduced activity in the Mediterranean and the IJN's Indian Ocean Raid, which we covered in posts on 1 and 16 March, the British Admiralty decided in January 1944 to dispatch 146 warships to reinforce Admiral James Sommerville's Eastern Fleet (EF), based at Trincomalee, Ceylon.

The US Navy also temporarily transferred the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga and three destroyers to Royal Navy command to free up British ships for Operation Tungsten, the raid on Tirpitz, covered in our 3 April post. Saratoga arrived at the EF base on 2 April.

On 12 April, planning was finalized for Operation Cockpit, a carrier strike on the IJN's base on Sabang, requested by US Chief of Naval Operations Admiral King to cover the US amphibious landings at Hollandia, New Guinea, planned for 22 April.

A genuinely multinational fleet of 27 warships departed Ceylon on 16 April. Aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious, battleships HMS Queen Elizabeth and Valiant, and battlecruiser HMS Renown, four cruisers, and seven destroyers were joined by USS Saratoga, three USN destroyers, French battleship Richelieu, Dutch cruiser HNLMS Tromp and a destroyer, the New Zealand cruiser HMNZS Gambia and four Australian destroyers. Under Admiral Sommerville's overall command, the ships are organized into Task Force 69 and 70, a battleship covering force, and a carrier force, respectively.

At 0530 hours today, 19 April, Illustrious launches 17 Barracudas and 13 F4Us, and Saratoga launches 24 F6Fs, 18 SBD Dauntless', and 11 TBF Avengers some 100 miles (160 km) southwest of Sabang.

At 0700 hours, the attack begins, surprising the Japanese anti-aircraft defenses and planes. The dive bombers destroy three of the four oil tanks and the harbor facilities, while the fighters destroy 21 Japanese planes on the island's two airfields. Only one F6F is lost, but the submarine HMS Tactician quickly rescues the pilot.

Picture: HMS Unicorn (I72, left) and HMS Illustrious (87) at Trincomalee, Ceylon, 1944

Source: US Naval Museum

[shut wren]

what was the most damaged ship that made it back to port from battle? I couldn't find a answer on google

[subtle sandal]

I would say Laffey for the US's side but im not sure

[shut wren]

[subtle sandal]

I mean she got hit by how many bullets bombs and kamikazes?

[shut wren]

a lot

[subtle sandal]

I would try looking into ships battle damage logs

If you can get em

Cuz some ships got severe hits and some bad damage but never got a lot of recognition simply because of the warship type, involvement, and the likes

[shut wren]

where do i get them?

[subtle sandal]

Like Laffey got pummeled to high hell but you reaaaaally dont hear her mentioned much

[subtle sandal]

Not sure tbh

Try checking some museum websites and see if you can get them there

If not than check Wikipedia, then any .gov sites that might possibly have it

[shut wren]

[subtle sandal]

https://www.navy.mil might have some useful stuff but im too lazy to bother going into a full search at 23,32 lol

Keep in mind im literally thinking up an entire process at midnight just off of the top of my head so i genuinely have no idea if that would work or if its even related lol

[grave ravine]

Marblehead had a truly epic voyage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjS426S8s1E

But there would be a lot of different contenders for that award, depending on what you count as severity of damage.

Like there are a fair number of stories of ships getting their bows blown off and crap, some of which had to sail in reverse all the way to port

[subtle sandal]

Uhh

Well say the most devastating damage in ways like, you should not have survived and its a god damn miracle

I personally think Laffey would take the title because of her being a thinskinned destroyer just tanking kamikaze attacks, bombs, unholy amounts of strafing, and similar

[frigid karma]

That’s not a very precise description

You could for instance, argue nawlins deserves the award since her bow fell right off

Or you might argue javelin because she split in fucking two and lived

Belfast got her keel turbofucked by a mine but somehow lived and got a refit

[subtle sandal]

Which ship got the better blessing?

[frigid karma]

It’s really a subjective thing

[subtle sandal]

Lol

[frigid karma]

There is no right answer

[subtle sandal]

Guess so

[frigid karma]

Even if you were to go by a more solid metric such as “tons of water in ship as percent of ships overall displacement”

[subtle sandal]

Yknow what fuck it

[frigid karma]

Well

[subtle sandal]

Who got hit with more tonnage of armament lol

[frigid karma]

It’s pretty fucking hard to measure that

[subtle sandal]

Well start countin!

XD

[frigid karma]

Well

Define tonnage

An AP shell or an HE shell can weigh the same and do vastly different amounts of damage

[subtle sandal]

Fuck

[subtle sandal]

Didnt think of that

Yea cuz fuck the dutch apparently lmao

[strong plank]

Hey my Econ prof is Dutch and he’s a cool guy

[eternal veldt]

Two ships come to mind for "most damaged"

Seydlitz, at 25k design tonnes, sucking up 5k tonnes of water at Jutland and making it home

SS Ohio, "back broken" and quite literally sank as soon as she limped into Malta and her precious oil was offloaded.

[deep apex]

What was that uboat that had a big fuck off hole in the stern again?

[frigid karma]

I'd say jabbers might be the most damaged

less than 50% of her original hull was even on her

[deep apex]

There was a photo of a U boat with a holr in the stern that was just

Blap

Huge fucking hole

And it made it back home

[eternal veldt]

Huge hole in the stern, you say?...

[spring briar]

Holes in the bow and stern are very survivable

[frigid karma]

[dusty kraken]

well no water is flowing in so we good as new

[frigid karma]

most of a ship is the box in the middle

the pointy ends have zero buoyancy

[alpine onyx]

Especially aft, where the screws and rudder result in a mostly empty underwater portion

[spring briar]

Well and the fact that ships have watertight bulkheads running from bow to stern, which can all be closed so that water only gets in one or two compartiment. With breaches on the side this might be many more and the water will also be able to flood via the sides

[alpine onyx]

Reno took some hefty damage and survived, ate a torpedo in the aft half of the ship and took on a few thousand tons of water

[spring briar]

See SS Vesta surviving but SS Arctic sinking
See SS Andrea Doria
Etc

[alpine onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/621103843106881556/884270437662617661/Plate4.jpg

[spring briar]

Bulkheads

[alpine onyx]

Tough as a brick

Similar with Leipzig, she also returned under her own power. For better or for worse

[alpine onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371433115970961411/795966184746647572/unknown.png

[spring briar]

That’ll buff out

[alpine onyx]

They didn't bother

Repaired the hull, but didn't fix the machinery, and pulled shitzig from active service

[spring briar]

[open axle]

Fun Fact
the most successful Torpedo Attack in naval history was performed by the heavy cruiser IJN Mogami
with a torpedo salvo of 6 torpedoes as the heavy cruiser USS Northhampton
of the torpedoes, all Long Lances, five hit, each of them hitting a different ship, and each torpedo sinking said ship
as such, Mogami was successfully able to sink 5 ships with a salvo of six torpedoes

issue is, all five of those ships were also japanese, making this not just the most successful torpedo attack in naval history, but also the most successful multi-Teamkill in naval history

[spring briar]

Yes

We are aware

[alpine onyx]

I'm honestly more impressed with I-19's spread which resulted in the sinking of a carrier (Wasp), a destroyer (O'Brien) and the damaging of a battleship (NC)

But it's not as meme worthy

[spring briar]

France selling ironclads to the Egyptians in 1868
The Ottomans take Egypt and thus said ironclads
Greece buys new French Ironclads in 1885
Greco-Ottoman war
French ironclad vs French ironclad

[open axle]

[runic prairie]

That’s called a sustainable business model.

[desert agate]

https://www.williamsfoundation.org.au/post/does-the-raaf-need-seaplanes

Interestingly the article says an RAAF purchase of Japanese seaplanes would be their first purchase from an Asian country

The 30s really were a wacky time

[frigid karma]

seaplane e2 hawkeye

[latent anvil]

source from different server

USS minneapolis with some damage
slighly damaged USS lindsey

[spring briar]

Again

Bow damage

Very survivable

[manic latch]

Yeah

Javelin also survived since torps hit her bow and stern

If both hit middle it would be unlikely

[eternal veldt]

Torpedo hits amidships are deadly in the sense that they knock out your machinery/power to the whole ship

Oh fuck, there goes our water mains

Or if your ship is hit in the proximity multiple times, you just die

See: Helena (and partially Littorio)

[spring briar]

And possibility to breach two compartiments at the same time

[fickle coral]

Looks like my grandpa served in the Italian army in WW2. Not sure how I feel about that. Might invest a little more in my Italian fleet

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

Still afloat

Point stands

Losing the bow also means you lose the potential weight that would’ve otherwise dragged down the ship

You can’t really lose the side of your ship

[eternal veldt]

Losing bow and stern aren't that uncommon, ngl

See: Suzutsuki

and my personal favourites: bent duck

or I-lost-half-of-my-ship-kaze

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

depends on your definition of battle and made it back

because Frank E Evans had a bad time

[alpine onyx]

Don't worry, we're still sailing half a ship

[spring briar]

Same thing

[spring briar]

If you lose the flooding section and you can close the correct bulkheads to prevent any water from coming in the latter sections you can save your ship

[spring briar]

But once the machinery gets fucked you better start planning shit

[weak spoke]

I feel like Japan shoot themself in the foot with Kamakizes

[strong plank]

kamikazes made sense in Japan's situation actually

[weak spoke]

They bearly sunk ships and wasting aircraft.

[supple sandal]

T-95 is just a T-90 wearing makeup

[manic latch]

What

[manic latch]

Can you explain me how

[supple sandal]

Alright sorry about that

[desert agate]

for the first few months of their employment, Kamikazes achieved disproportionate results, inflicting significant damage for a minimal employment of aircraft

it did not however, take long for the Allies to grow wise to the Kamikaze, leading to a direct and swift decline in their effectiveness

regardless, Japan did not have the instructors, nor the fuel to train pilots effectively, in order to create an effective aerial fighting force in 1944

as a result, the Kamikaze program was the single effective method the Japanese had of reliably inflicting damage against Allied task forces

[strong plank]

Japan was facing a shortage of both aircraft and pilots

in a twisted sense the kamikazes let them conserve aircraft more than if they'd sent out squadrons of bombers with fighter escort

[desert agate]

the alternative was to attempt to train pilots on complex and risky aerial attacks against an opponent with a quickly improving anti-aircraft capability, without the resources to train a substantial number of those pilots

Japan had the aircraft, it just had no one to fly them effectively

it was cold and calculated, but it worked, at least for a time

and even after the initial surprise worse off, the Japanese still managed some dramatic feats, such as against the USS Bunker Hill, which was crippled by 2 kamikaze strikes in may 1945, well after the Americans had supposedly defeated the Kamikaze as a viable weapons system

[shut wren]

[weak spoke]

Japan in 1944 was fucked in my opinion

Fuck

[shut wren]

Would the kamikazes woulda been more effective if they had faster planes?

[strong plank]

doesn't mean kamikazes accelerated their defeat

actually it kept them fighting for longer

[weak spoke]

The production power in 1944 was in full force. America just could replace the ships sunk

[strong plank]

depends on the ship

[weak spoke]

Destroyers for sure

[strong plank]

sure you could print a liberty ship in a week flat but larger ships take time no matter how good your industry is

[weak spoke]

I feel like Japan could only win in 42 to early 43

[desert agate]

no

[desert agate]

obviously, yes, but that makes no difference in the minds of Japanese strategic planners

[weak spoke]

The true mvp in the pacific war was submarines

[shut wren]

[strong plank]

what, for more penetration?

[quick shard]

More warcrimes yay

[desert agate]

what about the Catalinas who made their operations considerably easier?

[strong plank]

kamikazes were already loaded up with explosives so its not like they lacked any punch

[weak spoke]

True

[strong plank]

and they already gave allied aa more trouble than a normal aircraft

[shut wren]

Not getting hit by AA

[strong plank]

getting hit doesn't stop them

with a kamikaze you had to shoot the plane apart to prevent it from hitting the ship

[desert agate]

it was afterall the RAAFs aerial mining operations that halted large numbers of Japanese merchants outside of valuable ports in the Dutch East Indes, allowing American submarines to sail in and clear the opposition

it obviously wasnt the entire war against Japanese shipping but it was enough to dedicate 1/4 of all American boats to Australian ports

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

hell there were even some raids against Southern China towards the end of the war

[shut wren]

by?

[desert agate]

the RAAF

[shut wren]

nvm

Yea mb i didnt read

[desert agate]

the Japanese afterall occupied considerable parts of mainland China as late as 1945, even launching a decisively successful offensive against the Chinese

[shut wren]

yea yea i know

[weak spoke]

I like reading about other parts of history. Like the flying tigers

[runic prairie]

Japan was never going to win. Not unless everyone in the U.S. and Britain gains a room temperature IQ overnight.

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/RDPHistory/status/1649303478777389056?s=20

Ricky D Phillips Official (@RDPHistory)

April 21st 1982: #Falklands chief of police, Terry Peck, slips out of Stanley on a motorbike. He will spend the next few weeks organising resistance and sabotage before joining up with 3 Para (as pictured) his fascinating biography is below:

https://t.co/5CzCepgh8s

Likes

378

Twitter · Apr 21, 2023, 6:46 AM

[manic latch]

That random brony

[maiden citrus]

wha

[shut wren]

twitter moment

[runic prairie]

“The Industrial Revolution and its consequences…”

[chilly osprey]

What made Kamikaze's so effective is that they could saturate the USN's C2 networks.

The ability of a CIC to direct fighter patrols to intercept attacks based on what information came in via radar (and other means) made conventional attack tactics - generally concentrated flights of bombers - much easier to counter.

However, Kamikaze attackers were not deliverying standard payloads, and thus did not need to come in large groups. Rather, they came in lots of small flights, which overwhelmed the ability of the human staff in the CIC to keep up with. But, because of the nature of picture-centric warfare, CIC staff really had no idea how badly they were falling behind reality.

As this air-sea picture broke down, the effectiveness of fighter-vectoring broke down and they became much less effective. This also applied to gun-based AA and the ability of the CIC to assign targets to gun groups.

And then, when you combine with with the fact that these aircraft were simply trying to flying into ships, it meant that AA had to be able to actually destroy them rather than just deter and mess up the accurate delivery of ordnance.

This is actually more similar to missile attack rather than air attack and is why you can trace a direct line from the USN's experience off Okinawa to the development of AEGIS.

[manic latch]

Punching power ye

Say

[runic prairie]

It’s really fascinating that we saw the first AWACs emerge from this with converted B-17s.

Other AEW platforms like the converted Avengers were eventually integrated via primitive datalink (though this wouldn’t happen until after the war from what I’ve seen).

Kamikazes are more analogous to modern ASMs in operation than even contemporary ASMs of WWII were.

The CAP, AEW, Air-Defense, and C2 elements that emerged as a result of them are still present in the fleet.

The Outer, Inner, and Point-Defense Air-Battles are still applicable.

[manic latch]

Why Midway didn't had 76mm

[chilly osprey]

I suspect that she was simply designed with the 40mm, and ships in service had the priority on 76mm gun fittings.

Hence, commissioned with 40mm Bofors, and then those get replaced by 3"/50 Mk.33's once there's time in the 1950s

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

Hit him with the hellcat kd

[eternal veldt]

I've seen analogies of the Ohka being more akin to a guided missile rather than an aircraft, just with human meat inside.

[shut wren]

nah thats just human guidance

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYQHuVzNz4

[runic prairie]

Well because it basically is an ASM. It’s about as fast a Harpoon in terminal dive and while it’s not anywhere near as sea-skimming, there had to be several iterations of VT fuze for low angle fire.

FCS had to be updated to an 800 knot maximum target speed to compensate.

The Betty’s that carried them were the Backfires and Badgers of their day.

[delicate beacon]

Do not consume the chocolate powder.

[grave ravine]

The missile knows where it is because someone is sitting inside of it

[runic prairie]

But how does the human know where it is?

[grave ravine]

SHHHHHH not important

[shut wren]

Cuz they have eyes

I assume

[runic prairie]

I mean think about it, we know where we are because we see the area around us. IE: we know where we aren’t.

At heart we are all missile guidance subsystems.

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

We use electro-optical terrain-following with gyroscopic stabilization. What is hearing and touch but permutations of passive acoustic listening devices?

We have chem sniffers, both remote and for individual samples.

Can you see all that say for certainty that you are not a missile guidance subsystem, pursuing it’s own vector of approach?

Make the best of what remains to your Time on Target, when your journey finally ends. Do not fear it, rather embrace the journey that brings you there.

Datalink with the rest of the threat cloud and lead others down unique threat vectors. Force others to adapt, with those standing in your way launching chaff and decoys to bait you away from your final destination.

But do not be swayed, remember to filter your targets and utilize sensor fusion to see the true end-goal.

Be the VAMPIRE everyone strives to be.

[shut wren]

Man just gave me a existential crisis

[runic prairie]

Know where you aren’t and you can find where you are.

[shut wren]

[wintry moat]

How did you make Missile guidance and our own Senses so existential

[shut wren]

He’s the sentient missile guidance system

[runic prairie]

It was revealed to me in a dream by our lord and savior Raytheon.

[shut wren]

Lockheed mart gang

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Nice

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

https://twitter.com/DefenceES/status/1649338490000232449?t=nwWZwxTNemjsFkdYPew2kQ&s=19

Defence Equipment & Support (@DefenceES)

A prototype of the world-class ECRS Mk2 radar for the UK’s Typhoon fleet has been delivered to @BAESystemsplc flight-testing facility. The radar will undergo integration work & ground-based testing in prep for first flights next year.

@Leonardo_UK | https://t.co/5lz85dgqZl

Likes

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Twitter · Apr 21, 2023, 9:05 AM

No AESA for Typhoons till 2030

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

the goodest of content

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

Man homie roll up to me with this
Im runnin his shit

[shrewd pecan]

CHEETAH

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

snoop snoop

[runic prairie]

Europoors keep losing.

[delicate beacon]

Cheetah

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah

never really clicks just how well equipped the Chilean airforce is

[subtle prawn]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/army-projects-drastically-cut-in-defence-shakeup/102254536

[shut wren]

[eternal veldt]

Fascinatingly, I think USS Stanly managed to at the very least knock out/make the pilot of one of the Ohkas that was targetting her. If I recall, it hit the mast of the ship, took the flag down, and crashed into the sea.

That is after she ate one Ohka too and that earlier one overpenetrated.

(Stanly is underappreciated in AL, fite me)

[shrewd pecan]

you ever just

[shut wren]

tf is that

is that like

a BMP turret on a T-55 hull or smth

[frigid karma]

T-55 hull, sure

[shrewd pecan]

centurion hull apparently

[shut wren]

I honestly have no idea the hulls i just know BMP turret

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1649558240059850756

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1952, the U.S. Navy suffered its single greatest loss of life during the Korean War when an explosion in a turret on USS Saint Paul (CA-73) killed 30 crew, The ship was firing at targets in North Korea when a projectile was rammed into an already loaded gun.

Twitter · Apr 21, 2023, 11:38 PM

[tough quail]

KHAAAAAAARKOOOOOOOVVVVVVVV

[grand parcel]

F35s probably next

[runic prairie]

Not enough ERA

[tough quail]

(it is actually a kharkovite design)

in this case the batshit insanity is slightly reasonable

was a tender for a Jordan IFV as essentially a conversion of their swathes of old centurions they were replacing with challengers

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Ah

[subtle prawn]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/montevideo-maru-wwii-shipwreck-found/102255384

[deep apex]

Shit they found a hell ship?

I immediately recognized that name

[thorn trail]

which ship is this

Deutsch class?

[wintry moat]

The first one is

The second might be Bis or Tirpitz

[shut wren]

I assume the regtangle intakes are more effective?

[deep apex]

Sqaures tend to require more size yes

Though in this case it's giving

[runic prairie]

They have a lower RCS.

A clean Superhornet is about as stealthy as an Su-57.

That says more about the “Felon” than it does about Rhino but it demonstrates the degree to which the RCS has been reduced.

The Block III versions incorporate even more features like that.

[shut wren]

ok thanks

[runic prairie]

There’s a decent chance the Block III is stealthier than the Su-57 from the frontal aspect which is just… kinda sad TBH.

[shut wren]

I mean

thats a pretty low bar

[runic prairie]

Yeah

[tough quail]

that's just whats on the patent

iirc

also a clean super hornet

[runic prairie]

True, but the Russians don’t seem to have S-ducting and RAM coatings down for whatever reason.

The Su-57 might actually be decent if they had committed to making a LO aircraft but they made too many half-way measures because they wanted it to fit in their WVR doctrine.

[shut wren]

No budget?

[runic prairie]

Skill issue

[shut wren]

whats the WVR doctrine again?

[tough quail]

is the RAM coating about the rivet meme

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Just having a greater emphasis on close-in dogfights and maneuverability.

The Soviets had a real winner in the R-73 missile with off-bore-sight tracking, giving them a distinct advantage at close range.

But with new western systems and with the budget cuts of the 90s, Russia didn’t really properly develop BVR beyond their interceptor force, meaning that it’s been atrophied.

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

err

no

that's not how that works at all

[shut wren]

Then Horsememe,spread your wisdom

[tough quail]

its a weird logic trap people fall into when they think about the thrust vectoring gimmick, in that it somehow makes the jets worse at BVR

spoilerinos is does not

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Leading edge slats on a LO aircraft does make it worse.

[tough quail]

there is more to BVR than frontal RCS

its not a magical on-off switch and not the only thing that determines if you're BVR capable

[runic prairie]

Thrust vectoring is fine, see the F-22, but many of the design decisions to improve kinematic performance come at the cost of money, weight, range, and radar cross-section.

[tough quail]

i.e the US generally playing catchup as far as radar missiles go given they were generally out developed in that regard

which is, err, a bit of an impirtant aspect

[shut wren]

how are american AAMs named?

[runic prairie]

Number designations or actual names?

[shut wren]

like Aim-9X and stuff

[runic prairie]

So let’s start with the letters

[shut wren]

let me get note book

[runic prairie]

K

[shut wren]

ok go on professor 641

[runic prairie]

The first letter denotes the launch platform, A for aircraft, R for surface vessel, M for mobile ground launcher, and U for submarines.

There’s some other like L for silos (used on ICBM designations) and C, which as far as I know only applied to the BOMARC SAM (as it was launched from a “coffin”) but the ones I listed first are the primary ones you see.

Second letter says what it does. D for Decoy, C for Transport, Q for targets.

Most of the time you’ll see I, G, and U for that. I stands for Intercept and is used on SAMs and AAMs. G is for ground attack, like a AGM-65 Maverick. U is for anti-submarine weapons like the RUR-5 ASROC.

The third letter tells you what kind of weapon it is. M is a missile. R is a rocket (unguided flight).

The number is the design number. These fall into a series shared by all U.S. missiles and rockets.

As for the final letter/Block designation.

Generally a letter designates a major upgrade while a block indicates a more modest change (though on some weapons like the RIM-66 this is stretched to the breaking point).

[shrewd pecan]

actually curious do we have any images of JATM?
since all I see popping up is the weird dual stage missile

[shut wren]

I’ve looked and can’t seem to find anything that isn’t fake or a simulator

[shrewd pecan]

all we really have is Raytheon's LREW

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

which

kinda reminds me of something in particular

[shut wren]

Aim-260 JATM

[runic prairie]

Speaking of the RIM-66, it is also known as the SM-2MR, standing for Standard Missile-2 Medium Range. A Standard MR has just a body wheras a Standard ER possesses a booster.

Standard Missiles all possess a normal designation (see RIM-66) but are also known under their series.

SM-1MR and ER denoted the early versions of the RIM-66 and RIM-67 respectively.

SM-2 MR and ER denotes later versions that have datalinks for midcourse guidance (at least that’s how I understand the distinction).

The RIM-156 SM-2ER also falls into this though it’s far closer to the RIM-174 SM-6.

SM-3 is an Exo-atmospheric Ballistic missile interceptor though it’s designation was originally for an “Outer Air Battle Missile”.

SM-4 was able to be illuminated by an aircraft in the “Mountain Top” concept to combat sea-skimmers below the horizon.

SM-5 was the LASM, or land attack standard missile. Basically a RIM-66 without fins that could be dual packed into a MK-41 VLS.

SM-6 is the RIM-174 anti-everything missile we all know and love.

I could be mixing up SM-4 and SM-5 but both were canceled so it doesn’t matter too much.

[runic prairie]

There are no images of the JATM and I believe it is confirmed to be a single-stage missile (though with a pulsed motor).

That’s an image of the Boeing LRAAM, which is a separate concept.

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

ah I see

surprised we don't have anything of JATM considering its in the testing phase

and intended to hit IOC by the end of this year

[shut wren]

IOC is?

[shrewd pecan]

initial operating capability

[tough quail]

no tato no now the PLA knows what IOC means

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

My understanding is it has a boost for really long range then can use its pulsed motor for a high Probability of Kill at the endgame combined with potential divert motors.

It’s not just meant to have a long range but also be able to perform well at those ranges.

[shrewd pecan]

oh nooooooooooooooooooooo

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/latest-amraam-cleared-deployment-jatm/

[shut wren]

I mean you wouldn’t wanna let your enemies know everything that you’re testing

[shrewd pecan]

anyway hope your ready for dual loads of AIM-120Ds and AIM-260s

[shut wren]

[cinder escarp]

There's no way that the 260 is on schedule with the 120D purchase ramp up and not a peep from even DOT&E on testing

[shut wren]

Will notify

[shrewd pecan]

260s meant to exceed AIM-120 production by 2026

so I wouldn't be surprised if the AMRAAM production line keeps going as a stopgap

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

I mean we also didn’t see jack about the B-21 before it was revealed.

[shut wren]

Soo yea

Classified or smth

Let’s hope someone’s doesn’t pull a funny

[cinder escarp]

We had progress updates regularly.

There's nothing on the JATM.

Not even on aerospace industry scuttlebutt.

[runic prairie]

There’s also nothing bad about it.

[shrewd pecan]

all we know is that its achieved its first test target shootdowns

[runic prairie]

Congress would be kicking and screaming if it was really behind.

[shut wren]

[cinder escarp]

In the history of DoD procurement, limited news + ramp-up of alternatives is not a good sign.

[shut wren]

Like bad as in bad for the US or

[cinder escarp]

Congress only kicks and screams if they are fully read into the issues. How do you think the USN got congress to sign off on so many LCSes?

[runic prairie]

Bad for the U.S.

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Fair point

[shut wren]

So good for us got it

[shrewd pecan]

idk there's two alternative programs with meteor as a fallback option

[cinder escarp]

I won't go into the politics involved, but in the history of procurement it's rarely a good sign and I'd bet money that IOC has slipped at least out of 2023.

[cinder escarp]

JNAAM is better than Meteor.

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but that's also still under development

[cinder escarp]

It is more or less all off the shelf parts though.

[shrewd pecan]

and that's also started development much later than the 260

[cinder escarp]

Both AAM-4B and Meteor are in production.

[shrewd pecan]

I'm pretty much not expecting that thing to materialize in service until the 260 or LREW end up doing so

[runic prairie]

AAM-4 doesn’t offer appreciable advantages over the AMRAAM.

[shrewd pecan]

I mean JNAAM does

since it fills that long range class

but AIM-120Ds pretty much gonna be the king of the middle range missiles unless the super R-77s manage to make it out of their own development hell

tho that's only going by hard factors

[runic prairie]

We don’t know a lot about the actual benchmarks used so hard factors are generally fairly hard to nail down.

Like how is range measured?

Speed of launch aircraft? Speed and attitude of target? PK at that range?

[shrewd pecan]

generally people overlook crap like that alongside the US's advantage in datalinks, sensors so on and so on

[runic prairie]

True. Having 10 missiles is great and all. But if you only have 6 guidance uplinks then it’s not so hot.

[shut wren]

I dont even know what that means

[runic prairie]

Basically for midcourse guidance an Aircraft feeds information to its missiles via a datalink.

Adjustments and the like.

Same applies to SAMs. It’s why I think SPY-6 is pretty important as it almost certainly vastly increases the AEGIS guidance capacity preventing saturation of AEGIS ships.

[shrewd pecan]

the ultimate counter to swarm attacks is a SM-6 with a nuclear warhead

[shut wren]

great idea

Will note that down for the next doctrine fix

[runic prairie]

Nuclear Standard missile is the way to go.

[strong plank]

Laser-guided rods from god

[runic prairie]

Yes

[shut wren]

Lazer guided gods from Rod

[runic prairie]

How’s the SAL going to get through the plasma sheath?

[shrewd pecan]

true fleet defense will come to us from the atom

[shut wren]

yea but like

[dapper parcel]

TBF 6 links for 10 missiles is already more than enough. Modern AA missiles are smart enough to only need midcourse guidance at most which can be easily time multiplexed

[shut wren]

if you detonate a nuke close to the fleet

fleet is no more

[runic prairie]

Fair.

[runic prairie]

I mean 10-20 nautical miles is fairly far. Superficial damage maybe but nothing serious.

[strong plank]

Didn’t we pull off something similar in the 70s?

[dapper parcel]

AEGIS are rated for saturation attack with only 3 uplinks

[strong plank]

With one of the Nike missiles

[shrewd pecan]

its a variable yield warhead that can go between 5-150 kilotons if we go by the W80 warhead

its not gonna wipe out the fleet if you're flinging it 10+ miles away

[runic prairie]

With the Sprint missile?

It used radio command guidance from a really powerful transmitter to get through the sheath.

[strong plank]

Ah, gotcha

[runic prairie]

I’m pretty sure each SPY-1 panel can manage 6-8 uplinks when it’s in missile guidance mode.

[shut wren]

[dapper parcel]

You can theoretically pick nonatmospheric spectrum and scan it with noise-ignoring method like lock-in-amp or something
It's quite solved tech since 80s

[runic prairie]

Around 10 micrometers? You know, the thermal infrared area.

Because reentry vehicles are known for not heating up.

[dapper parcel]

thermal heating would be broadband

[runic prairie]

Sure, but you need that laser designator to be pretty beefy to overcome the thermal IR because that thing is damn hot.

At that point you’re better off just zapping the target with the laser.

[cinder escarp]

SPY-1 doesn't illuminate or datalink.

[runic prairie]

It doesn’t illuminate but it does datalink.

Standard missiles have an S-band datalink.

You need at least a C or X band radar for illumination.

[cinder escarp]

I thought the datalinks were provided from a different transmitter. But for terminal guidance you have to have the good 'ole SPG-62

[dapper parcel]

It dont need to be beefy, just need to be distinguishable
The technology is pretty much the same with how we can still discriminate signal from GPS down to -153 dBm when background system noise is -110 dBm!

imagine getting signal 43 dB down from noise baseline

[runic prairie]

There is a separate datalink assembly IIRC but the SPY-1 can operate in missile guidance mode to have more birds in the air.

[runic prairie]

Interesting. TIL.

[shut wren]

TIL what IOC meant

[runic prairie]

The bottleneck on terminal illumination is why many of the Standard Missiles are being upgraded to Active Radar versions.

[shut wren]

speaking in general

Is it bad having one single state owned company making all the equipment for a branch for the military

[cinder escarp]

There's also the MHIP seeker on late SM-2s.

But yes, that bottleneck has long been an issue.

[runic prairie]

IIRC this was more to combat jamming by Soviet ASMs.

They’d bounce jamming signals off the water so you couldn’t just home-on-jam.

[runic prairie]

Generally yes.

[runic prairie]

Or at least that was a concern.

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

It more depends on how it’s run and the environment and work culture around it.

[shut wren]

Norinco

[shrewd pecan]

defense consolidation is a real issue

when it comes to American procurement

with less and less companies competing and more and more companies becoming more vertically integrated

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2937898/dod-report-consolidation-of-defense-industrial-base-poses-risks-to-national-sec/

[ivory ridge]

Italy has a massive problem with that

Leonardo is all fine and dandy with like

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

"Since the 1990s, the defense sector has consolidated substantially, transitioning from 51 to 5 aerospace and defense prime contractors," the report states. "As a result, DOD is increasingly reliant on a small number of contractors for critical defense capabilities."

Over the last 30 years, the report continues, the number of suppliers for things such as tactical missiles, fixed-wing aircraft, and satellites have all declined dramatically. For instance, 90% of missiles now come from just three sources, the report says. "

[ivory ridge]

optics, radars, technological stuff

then you look at the ground section

[strong plank]

Didn’t realize until recently Leonardo’s also the one providing MSDs for the army

[ivory ridge]

Leonardo is like

[frigid karma]

We need to have regular ass manufacturing companies whipping out units

Call Yamaha

[ivory ridge]

everything at this point

[frigid karma]

Have them start making F-35s

[shut wren]

mfs make motorcycles

homie want them making the best US military tech

[shrewd pecan]

man

I have no fucking idea how the fuck every instrument company managed to let Yamaha out do them

[shut wren]

Skill issue i guess

[shrewd pecan]

Gibson can't even make a guitar that doesn't want to destroy itself slowly and Yamaha just shits out high quality instruments left and right for actually decent prices
(anyway enough of that)

generally we need to foster something equivalent to what Israel has where there's multiple defense start ups competing with the major companies

[shut wren]

so what you're saying is that

the US should encourage companies to compete with the big shits like lockheed and Raython

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[shut wren]

or however tf you spell

[strong plank]

Problem is all the startups get absorbed

[ivory ridge]

Aermacchi? under Leonardo
Otomelara? Under Leonardo
Agusta/Agustawestland? Leonardo
Selex? Leonardo
Wass? leonardo

Who owns part of MBDA (25%), Panavia (15%), Eurofighter group (21%), Thales Alenia (33%) and god knows how many other companies? you guessed it, also Leonardo

[dapper parcel]

The way congress award contracts is inherently leading to few large "contractor" with huge amount of "suppliers" behind it

Case in point, look at Boeing Commercial Aircraft and who made each sections of their aircrafts

[ivory ridge]

the only other big companies are Iveco, which is partnered with Leonardo, specifically with Oto melara, to build the italian ground vehicles

and Fincantieri, which builds ships

...which also use Leonardo systems

so yeah

[shut wren]

Can't the government make a law prohibing that

[dapper parcel]

Their current law encourage that..!

Or rather, current procurement law

[ivory ridge]

the recent procurement talks are also partly aimed at making Leonardo move their asses

with talks of Lynx/CV90s and Leo 2A7s/MGCS

[shut wren]

[dapper parcel]

Tbf that's probably still ends up a pork barrel again

[shrewd pecan]

Italian CV-90s and Lynxs

[ivory ridge]

i hate the 40mm in WT so i dont want the CV90 irl /s

[shrewd pecan]

spalling of Russian tanks will forever curse us

[dapper parcel]

40mm need a new cartridge smh

[runic prairie]

Best reason to choose a design.

[ivory ridge]

truly

[shrewd pecan]

did we ever end up getting that

CV-9050 prototype

[shut wren]

Gn yall bye

[ivory ridge]

the public extent of the design that has to fight the CV90 and Lynx for procurement is

a shitty 3d render

[runic prairie]

Isn’t the 50mm a necked-up 35mm?

[shrewd pecan]

that's the older one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM913_chain_gun

[runic prairie]

50x228mm versus 35x228mm

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_III

[ivory ridge]

Centauro 2 when

[shrewd pecan]

I could be msistaken

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

but I swore the Bushmaster III 50 MM and the XM913 were different

[runic prairie]

I think they use the same shell but have different mechanisms.

[shrewd pecan]

probably

just the size

of 35 MM and 50 MM APFSDS

[dapper parcel]

Huh, what I remember was that SuperShot 50 is not 50x228

[shrewd pecan]

same

[strong plank]

how old even is the cv90

I was seeing ads for it when I was paging through the 90s issues of Jane's

[shrewd pecan]

mk 0 is 93

[dapper parcel]

Vaguely remember SS50 being semi telescoped full length cartridge

[runic prairie]

You are correct

[runic prairie]

Pure sex

[shrewd pecan]

I'm still waiting for the entire another round of OMFV trials just for it to come to the same conclusion again

[frigid karma]

the consequences of reagan

TFW his term was 40 years ago but i could probably still get warned for politics by calling him a godless whore

[shrewd pecan]

I mean I got warned for saying a certain communist country and the soviets would of been capable of industrialization and mass literacy without a massive famine

[runic prairie]

Don’t insult Godless whores like that.

[shrewd pecan]

so

its just how the cookie crumbles here

[viscid estuary]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RHPLeX5jJMzsoex3iyPGqvcjf9-H2rdULLJs1Xvw5Kg/edit?usp=sharing

hi here's a spreadsheet detailing everyone that was at the battle of okinawa and if they're in the game or not

bye

[eternal veldt]

and

[frigid karma]

If you see a picture of a bismarck class taken directly from above, it's probably neetpitz

[eternal veldt]

Not quite. Bismarck was also photographed above Norway.

[strong plank]

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/3217964/japanese-ship-montevideo-maru-sank-979-australians-found-south-china-sea-after-81-years

[subtle prawn]

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2023-04-22/potts-obituary-uss-arizona-attack-survivor-9881849.html

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/betafujihara/status/1649032999391080449

ベタ藤原 (@betafujihara)

護衛艦「かが」がドックから出てきた。

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Twitter · Apr 20, 2023, 12:51 PM

[shrewd pecan]

You see insanity

I see perfection

[tough quail]

yooooooooo another giraffe shilka angle

splendid

[dusty kraken]

not tall enough

how it will hit planes then

[runic prairie]

Can we get much higher?

[tough quail]

kharkov out here adding full on barbettes to their SPAAs

[frigid karma]

bottom text

[manic latch]

Huh

I just realised

B-2s are still grounded since December 2022 right

Since that crash

[frigid karma]

As of February, yes

Growler

[manic latch]

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/04/20/boeing-super-hornet-upgrade/

[desert agate]

An utterly tragic mistake that was made worse by the escorts machine gunning survivours

As a result none of the prisoners survived

Rabaul was a fucking massacre

Caused by a near treasonous faith in British defence policy and the previous government being completely subservient to British interests

[shut wren]

Funny J-15

[manic latch]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/21/australia-to-dramatically-scale-back-spending-on-infantry-fighting-vehicles-in-major-defence-overhaul

[desert agate]

gotta pay for nuclear subs somehow

not like we really need an army anyway

[shut wren]

[quick shard]

when was the IJN Akagi launched?

[shut wren]

the WW2 One?

[quick shard]

Ja

[shut wren]

commissioned:25th march 1927

Launched:22nd april 1925

[quick shard]

Huh its her launch day today

[shut wren]

bruh lol

[quick shard]

Question:wat gift should i give?

[shut wren]

no idea

[manic latch]

Can you afford it

I advice 55 year Yamazaki whisky

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

Considering the size of the Aussie tank fleet that’s more than enough to equip their single armored brigade

[desert agate]

IFVs are still pretty helpful for mechanised/motorised units

and armoured cavalry

[shut wren]

Don’t y’all just put some steel on horse or smth

[desert agate]

tanks and IFVs are operated by 1st armoured, 2nd cavalry and 2nd/14th Light Horse

the remainder operate a mix of ASLAVs, Bushmasters and M113s

[shut wren]

Free Intel

[desert agate]

10th light horse is using Hawkei, 3rd/9th light horse is using bushmasters, 3rd/4th cavalry is using various stuff, mainly because theyre a training school, 12th/16th uses bushmasters, 4th/19th light horse also uses bushmasters too

[desert agate]

nothing that isnt on Wikipedia, you're also a massive LARPer so i dont really give a fuck

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

i actually have a competent enough understanding of OPSEC to not be posting classified information in public discord servers

[shut wren]

Who said I was gonna leak anything

[desert agate]

like i give a fuck about you

i give a fuck about the dozen ASIO officers who just clicked into this channel the moment someone said the word classified

hi guys

[runic prairie]

Your credit card information.

[shut wren]

No fucking shit i know

[desert agate]

you know my credit card information? bro so do I, you're not special

[shut wren]

I…

[shut wren]

I was referring to this part

[desert agate]

i was making a response about random guys joke

💀

[shut wren]

I think we have a misunderstanding here

[runic prairie]

[runic prairie]

To be fair, Wikipedia doesn’t do a great job at explaining things and it’s usually far from exhaustive.

[desert agate]

i was using Armys website too

and i dont need to be exhaustive

i just need to say whose using what

in a very basic manner

if i wanted to go in depth about Armys organisation i'd be digging out the pdf folder

but im very tired

[shut wren]

Damn y’all got a PDF folder of this stuff

[runic prairie]

Yes

You don’t?

[desert agate]

i have pdfs of everything

[shut wren]

I have my “homework” folder

[runic prairie]

Christ I probably have $10,000 of Janes and Friedman pdf rips.

[desert agate]

brave to say that in an ASIO monitored channel

[runic prairie]

In Minecraft

Of course

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/ThrustWR/status/1649641750384852998?s=20

Zach (@ThrustWR)

As IBCS enters full-rate production, this year and next year will be crucial for the Army's Enduring Shield launcher. The Dynetics-produced system is the launcher component of the Army's Indirect Fires Protection Increment 2 system and will begin early testing live demo next year

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Twitter · Apr 22, 2023, 5:10 AM

[desert agate]

you're under arrest for copyright violation

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

be a pal and pass them on

[desert agate]

same

i mean haha i always obey copyright law

[shut wren]

So like y’all just go a entire folder of shit y’all specialize in

[shrewd pecan]

I have uhhhhh

[runic prairie]

A site that isn’t pdfdrive.com certainly doesn’t have them.

[desert agate]

i have a folder of stuff that interests me

[shrewd pecan]

assorted military balances from several different decades back when I was stupid enough to do nation sims

[desert agate]

i find pdf online

i download

[runic prairie]

Same

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

i forget about pdf

[shut wren]

I need me one of those

[desert agate]

pdf is in collection, unread

[desert agate]

i have about 3 folders spread across various devides

actually 4 now i think

[shrewd pecan]

I need to get all of the shit on my laptop onto my desktop now that I have the like 5+ TBs of SSD storage space

[desert agate]

and all but one contains shattered sword because you never know when you might need it

[shrewd pecan]

odd thought I had the military balance 89/90 on here

guess its on my laptop

[desert agate]

and lots of fitzsimmons novels

he may not be the best historian and has an obvious pro-Australian nationalistic bias

but hes a very engaging writer

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

its ok I have a raging pro Australian bias as well

[desert agate]

based but i guarantee you arent a frontrunner of the republican movement

nor married to one of Australias most famous media personalities/journalists

[shrewd pecan]

Minnesotan infiltration of the Australian upper classes

[desert agate]

you will be shot

[shrewd pecan]

you cannot inflict more pain than working for Fed Ex has on me

[shut wren]

Y’all just throw the packages anyways

[desert agate]

probably my favourite extract from one of his novels

[shrewd pecan]

I don't respect you or your damn packages

[quick shard]

my acc is frozen

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Skill issue

[desert agate]

unfortunately was not able to find that epitah myself, however i only spent a day on the peninsular so I wasnt able to visit all of the war graves or battlefields

I read most of the gravestones at Lone Pine, if I had to guess he misremembered or something or the stone was changed

[shrewd pecan]

thinking about it I haven't felt more malice in my life than that time I saw someone who covered their package with "please don't break my package Fedex" stickers

[desert agate]

sadist

[runic prairie]

Very based

[shrewd pecan]

it was bulky, heavy and fragile all at the same time

I wanted to break it so badly

[runic prairie]

What the service sector does to a MF.

[shut wren]

I understand why my packages get broke

[shrewd pecan]

eh least I'm not the one delivering the damn things

[desert agate]

i pour beers with either too much head or completely flat when people are assholes to me

because im a cunt

[shut wren]

We know

[shrewd pecan]

reasonable

[runic prairie]

As you should.

[desert agate]

and i make sure to pour those wines spot on the line and enjoy their complaints when i didnt pour it over the line

want me to overpour your vodka? you better be hot or it aint happening

[shrewd pecan]

wonder if we'll finally get that Minnesota Nordic cross
https://www.twincities.com/2023/04/18/minnesota-house-passes-government-elections-bill-that-calls-for-redesigning-state-flag-and-seal/

[runic prairie]

Only if you start performing coastal raids on Michigan.

[desert agate]

need Australian state flag redesigns but it wont happen until 2026 at a minimum

sadly

[shrewd pecan]

I'll compromise and agree to raid Wisconsin

[runic prairie]

You have a bargain.

[shut wren]

But why

What do the current flags look like

[desert agate]

actual peak flag design

vs uh

[shut wren]

Nevermind I see why

[desert agate]

da jack wit da cross

or

[desert agate]

da jack wit da cross and da crown

the most politically influential states in Australia

and godawful flag design

[shut wren]

They’re the same flag

[manic latch]

[runic prairie]

The copyright

[desert agate]

at least WA has something interesting on it...

[shrewd pecan]

man

I didn't even know Australia had its own form of horrible state flag designs

[desert agate]

these are state flags

[shrewd pecan]

I meant to say state

[desert agate]

and they arent getting changed until we're a republic

[shut wren]

So

[shrewd pecan]

like 50% of US state flags are just this

[shut wren]

2026?

[shrewd pecan]

blue background with the fucking state seal on it

[desert agate]

the worst part is all of the states have interesting alternative designs but NO ONE HAS FUCKING ADOPTED THEM

[shut wren]

Deep blue better

[desert agate]

at the earliest assuming the ALP wins in 2025

[manic latch]

Tasmania

[desert agate]

which they will

[shut wren]

Niceee

[desert agate]

tasmania is so gross

they have a lion on their flag

[shut wren]

Just put a kangaroo on it

[desert agate]

you know what one of the most recognisable tasmanian animals is

the Tasmanian FUCKING TIGER

[shut wren]

Tasmanian tiger?

[desert agate]

A LION

ON THE FLAG

WHY

[shut wren]

Ain’t that shit extinct

[desert agate]

yes

[runic prairie]

I mean they killed them all.

[desert agate]

but it wasnt when they designed the flag

[dapper parcel]

Heh, at least it wasn't a heraldic lion

[desert agate]

and QLD is just the Victoria and NSW combined because QLD is irrelevant and can't do anything original

and no one cares about SA

but like, Norfolk Island and the NT both have such amazing flags so why didnt the rest of the country do it

[shut wren]

Boring politicans

[desert agate]

even the cocos islands have an interesting flag

like its objectively a bad design, but far better than any state flag

[shrewd pecan]

Islamic Australia

[desert agate]

the islands are right next to Indonesia so

[runic prairie]

Dar Al Austral

[shrewd pecan]

inshallah

[desert agate]

Pauline Hansons nightmare

but no the moon has nothing to do with islam

afaik