history

[desert agate]

Phalanx is an obsolete system regardless

C-RAM is a far superior system

Phalanx was obsolete decades ago but there was no pressing need to replace it urgently

[spring briar]

Armor simps when this test exists

[runic prairie]

I’ve heard it referred to as the “Close In Warning System”

[spring briar]

[runic prairie]

Given that against a Shipwreck or Kitchen that’s about all the effect it will have.

[desert agate]

If it has to fire against an incoming missile, your boat is fucked anyway

Momentum is great in that large anti shipping missiles will tend to disintegrate into many smaller objects once shredded by 25mm rounds, which is great for your ship which is covered in sensitive electronics and sensors and wiring

[runic prairie]

It was originally meant as a plug and play solution for missile defense on older ships. There were proposals to replace it with a guided 60mm system but those fell through before SeaRAM was built.

And SeaRAM is pretty great

[thorn trail]

See modern ships are vulnerable due to sensitive electronics and sensor. Abandon missile destroyers. Return to Battleships. /j

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/torero-spain-football-funny-praying-gif-23351722

[runic prairie]

Shaped charge warheads exist. Stuff like the P-15 used them when it was expected to target armored ships.

[thorn trail]

return to wooden frigates

[shrewd pecan]

if your going to end up going with battleships odds are there gonna be covered with the same sensors and electronics as the missile destroyers and cruisers

[manic latch]

Rip their calibration

High cal gonna hurt them

[shrewd pecan]

I also don't think they'd go with high caliber guns either

[manic latch]

What's modern Bb caliber then. 300mm?

[shrewd pecan]

due to modern advancements in guns that let you get 100 KM range out of 155s

[runic prairie]

As much as I love Drachinifel, he is wrong about shaped charges versus Battleship armor.

By tailoring the geometry of it you can get pretty massive post-pen effects.

[spring briar]

305mm my beloved

the eternal caliber

[shrewd pecan]

so I don't really see the point going beyond 155, with 203 probably being the highest that would be reasonable

[runic prairie]

Naval gunfire support is dead.

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

with some of the offerings for 127 MMs its pretty alive just not in the traditional battleship sense

[desert agate]

It isnt

Ever heard of five inch Friday?

Here's one of the shells fired by HMAS Anzac on Five Inch Friday

[runic prairie]

Stick a battery of Paladins on a barge.

[spring briar]

where's the shell

[desert agate]

That is the shell dummy

[spring briar]

that's the cartridge

[desert agate]

The projectile is gone

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Okay whatever

[spring briar]

don't be like that

[strong plank]

In Iraq

[desert agate]

I'm going to bed so here's an Ikara

[manic latch]

I love how
Russia, Germany, USA, British all worked on idea of 152-155mm modern warship gun and all literally died

It just doesn't work

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Remember Maine, to hell with Spain

[desert agate]

Blame it on Spain

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[spring briar]

The amount of Maine shells in random spots in the US is crazy

[shrewd pecan]

Zumwalt's solution worked

its economy of scale just collapsed when 90% of the zumwalts got cancelled

[runic prairie]

Probably the best recent gun-based project was HVP and that just got killed.

[strong plank]

naval gunfire support certainly isn't dead

especially not in a SCS near-peer conflict

[shrewd pecan]

we could of had it "The LRLAP would have used a rocket-assisted projectile with fin glide trajectory. The warhead effectiveness was considered comparable to that of the M795 artillery shell, and with the AGS it would have been capable of 6 round Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) in a span of 2 seconds.[2] It would have used a blast fragmentation type warhead.[3]"

[desert agate]

Mmm Spratley Islands fun

[shrewd pecan]

6 round MRSI man

[strong plank]

it's just not the highest on the USN's priorities

[runic prairie]

Getting close enough for ASMs. Screw that.

[shrewd pecan]

your likely gonna have to get close

if you want to actually take the islands

but that's likely after bombing the coastal ASM batteries into submission

[spring briar]

ok I think I got all of them

[shut wren]

[runic prairie]

Fair enough

[spring briar]

fuck zodiac signs
what's your favourite USS Maine shell location

[spiral cedar]

Top center on the rock

[spring briar]

[runic prairie]

It’s aesthetic

[shut wren]

Slight question uhh

If I have a 152mm cannon and I have a 155mm shell can I shave 3mm off and use it

[spring briar]

if you put on a new driving band

[shut wren]

Tf is that

[spiral cedar]

He replied, "Sir, we are out of mortar rounds." I said, "What is going on?"

He replied, "What rounds do you need? My mortar is an 81 mm (3 in) mortar. We had used up all our 81 mm (3 in) mortar rounds ages ago. We still have some 82 mm (3 in) mortar rounds remaining [captured from the Japanese]. Our staff are using rocks to grind them down by 1 mm (0.04 in), before loading them up to fire. How many rounds do you think they can grind down in a day? The staff's hands are already worn out from all the grinding."[2]```

[runic prairie]

Soft piece of metal that catches the rifling.

[spring briar]

I habe picture for jabbu

[spiral cedar]

[shut wren]

[spiral cedar]

So it cracked apart during manufacture?

[spring briar]

and this is why early AP caps were more so there to prevent the shell from shattering

[shut wren]

Bruh looks like somebody shot a shell with a smaller shell

[spring briar]

no, this was after a test shot

probably

I think it broke on the right side

and they then cut the left side using an oxy acethylene torch

as you can see from the cut and burn marks on the left side

[shut wren]

Can I beat somebody to death with a 57mm shell in a war

Without it going off

[spring briar]

yeah

[shut wren]

How about a APFSDS shell that hasn’t been fired

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[spring briar]

that too

[shrewd pecan]

if you grip a APFSDS shell by the dart without gloves

it will cut you badly

[spiral cedar]

Can it cut you goodly

[shut wren]

By the shell itself

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if your into that type of thing sure

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

damn I meant to reply to jaba with that thing

[spring briar]

can you even hold the dart?
the tip sticking out of the sabot is probably too small to hold
so you'd have to hold the sabot

[shut wren]

Yeah I meant holding the sabot

[spring briar]

how?

[shrewd pecan]

its still enough to grip

[spring briar]

but how would that cut ya

or do you mean the naked dart

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[shrewd pecan]

I believe the tip can still cut you

[shut wren]

Can’t I hit it with something pointy at the part where the striker hits to set it off

[spring briar]

I'm sceptical

[manic latch]

140mm

[shrewd pecan]

lemme see if there's anything out there on it

[thorn trail]

holding the dart itself is probably like holding a spear right

[shrewd pecan]

since it's something I've just heard mentioned being a thing

[shut wren]

Mhm

[manic latch]

Loader doesn't exist

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

So can I throw it like a spear

[manic latch]

It's a forced autoloader

[thorn trail]

wait wdym

I was more talking Sabot rounds in general

[manic latch]

Ah

[shut wren]

I think he’s saying that that gun/tank doesn’t have a loader

[manic latch]

Yes

140mm can't have loader

[thorn trail]

Oh

[shut wren]

Cuz too big?

[manic latch]

Use logic

[spring briar]

apfsds darts would be horrible as spear/javelin

[shut wren]

[thorn trail]

I was referring to the question about smacking someone with an APFSDS

[shut wren]

Too heavy?

[spring briar]

too short, too heavy, too thin

[thorn trail]

too short

[shut wren]

Does APFSDS bypass ERA

[shrewd pecan]

yes

modern APFSDS rounds can

[shut wren]

What’s the difference between different generations of era?

[spring briar]

more modern ERA has thicker flyer plates and more flyer plates

modern apfsds is longer

[shut wren]

So

[thorn trail]

how hard are APFSDS rounds

[shut wren]

Longer shell means more flyer plates penetrated

[spring briar]

the longer the shell, the higher the sectional density

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

and this allows the rod to be damaged by the ERA in places without its penetration being affected much

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

since the damaged section will just be followed up by a fresh section

[shrewd pecan]

two leopard 2s collided

[shut wren]

So uhh

Can I shoot Abrams 120mm out of 99A cannon

[shrewd pecan]

and going from the damage on the gun I'm guessing the turret got leveraged

[shut wren]

APFSDS

[shrewd pecan]

no

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

Russians and Confederates HATE this bullet

[shrewd pecan]

The Type 99 and Type 96 use two piece ammo like the Russians

[manic latch]

Liley the one in front revesed her ass up to the turret of second. Climbed on her?

[shrewd pecan]

pretty much

[shut wren]

The one that some mf leaked for WT?

[manic latch]

125 yes

[shut wren]

Damn

[shrewd pecan]

I'm just using that image to illustrate what the Chinese use

[shut wren]

99a one piece when

[shrewd pecan]

I believe M829 also wouldn't fit in the Type 99s gun breach due to it being too long

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gif-25985955

[shrewd pecan]

tho I'd have to double check that

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

ngl one piece is great

[shut wren]

But like if it’s a short round and 125mm it can?

[thorn trail]

what's the main advantages of two piece vs 1 piece ammo

[shut wren]

I think lighter shell for 2 piece?

[shrewd pecan]

its two piece since that's how the carousel autoloader works in the Types and T series tanks

[spring briar]

two piece can be hand loaded

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

(for larger calibers)

[shut wren]

So is it possible to build a 99a without a auto loader and use that extra space for a ammo rack and blowout panels

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

My kind of place

[shrewd pecan]

so

[spring briar]

it's Rivadavia

[shrewd pecan]

where are you putting the non existent bustle rack on the type 99

[manic latch]

Burlak style turret

[shut wren]

Why do we need one

[shrewd pecan]

I still don't think

[manic latch]

You need a new turret however as said

[shrewd pecan]

the autoloader can access the bustle rack in the Burlak

[manic latch]

That's the point
Bustle autoloader

[shut wren]

Gimme your turret

[manic latch]

I think you confused with T-90M

[shut wren]

The side ig

[shrewd pecan]

does it have a bustle rack autoloader?

[manic latch]

Burlak turret removes the carousel and use bustle autoloader

[shrewd pecan]

ok the image I saw of it looked like it still had the carousel

[shut wren]

So

We design a new turret

[thorn trail]

what's the difference between a carousel and bustle autoloader

[spring briar]

factory 183

[manic latch]

As you show T-80 has different autoloader with 72 and 90. All of them having Burlak turret was going to make spare parts easier

[thorn trail]

btw idk what a Bustle is

[manic latch]

Behind turrets head

Carousel is middle of tank

[shrewd pecan]

bustle

[strong plank]

Hey tato, the cattb article you’re looking for

[shrewd pecan]

carousel

[strong plank]

Should be 1993 or 1994 right?

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[shut wren]

Steal 96A

Turret

[thorn trail]

bustle is basically the ass of the turret

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[strong plank]

Well alrighty then

[shrewd pecan]

THE MOTHERLOAD!

[shut wren]

and make 96a bigger

[manic latch]

Warships use Carousel style. Since Bustle would mean them weaker and more dangerous

[runic prairie]

It depends. The hardness, ductility, method of plastic deformation, density, and a whole host of other factors are critical to round performance.

Above all is density as at extreme forces, solids tend to act more like liquids though this principle more applies to shaped charges.

[strong plank]

Library has 1987-2016

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/vanguard-turret-gif-19351951

[thorn trail]

I'm asking how hard because I'm wondering how effective as a throwing weapon an APFSDS dart is

[shrewd pecan]

its by a Israeli general

[runic prairie]

I wouldn’t want to be wacked by one

But that’s just me.

I don’t judge.

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Tal

[thorn trail]

how long is the longest APSFDS dart

[grave ravine]

APFSDS darts are generally a lot heavier than spears

[strong plank]

Oh wow y’all wanna see some history

[grave ravine]

since they are entirely heavy metal

[runic prairie]

That depends on what you define as an APFSDS dart.

[thorn trail]

the thing that continues after the sabot falls off I guess

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[runic prairie]

Not all of the. Some have a smaller penetrator section like Cold War Soviet designs.

[spring briar]

Sending South American dreadnoughts to krem until he sends me soyuz art

[grave ravine]

Even those are still going to be a lot heavier than a spear, since its still all metal

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[shut wren]

Is it possible to put a wooden spear into a sabot

And fire it

[shrewd pecan]

you’d destroy it

[spring briar]

eww

[runic prairie]

There’s this, which is 2 meters long.

[strong plank]

Photos taken before disaster

[runic prairie]

Not an anti-tank weapon but close enough

[thorn trail]

hmm

[grave ravine]

Like for context even an early 3BM10 penetrator is about 8 lbs, while Pila were typically around 2 to 5 lbs, and they were some of the heaviest throwing spears

[runic prairie]

It’s an artillery shell, hence why I asked about your definition.

[strong plank]

Hey Richy

[grave ravine]

While a modern M829a3 round has a roughly 22lb penetrator

[thorn trail]

the reason I was asking for the hardness and length of a dart is for a real stupid reason

using the dart itself as a massive nail

[runic prairie]

I mean yeah.

You could

You’d have to pre-drill that hole like a MF

But with work you could probably do it.

[shut wren]

[thorn trail]

would the dart ablate tho as you keep on pushing the dart inward

or what's that thing where depleted uranium rounds self sharpen

[frigid karma]

That’s a lotta pages

[runic prairie]

On wood?

[frigid karma]

You gonna take pics of all of them

Or do some questionable things with ups

[spring briar]

ahhh the good old "wasted energy" zone

[thorn trail]

what's that? what's a "wasted energy" zone?

[frigid karma]

Energy wasted on tearing apart armor that’s not in the main path

[thorn trail]

ah

[spring briar]

what he said

[manic latch]

Nice

[spring briar]

it's inevitable

[frigid karma]

But, Richie, this is kind of an inevitability no?

Yea

[spring briar]

well

yes

[frigid karma]

So it’s not really wasted energy

[spring briar]

it still is

but it's not as bad as shells used to be ofc

[shut wren]

Like all jet fuel is universal right?

Or like certain engines use different

[frigid karma]

The more shells normalize, is there more wasted energy?

[runic prairie]

The rule for turbines is if it burns it turns.

[thorn trail]

yeah but generally you'd want standardized jet fuels for simplified logistics

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

shells have to displace a lot of armor and waste a lot of energy doing useless work

[runic prairie]

Granted I wouldn’t want to run a jet engine on ethanol but you could probably do it.

[thorn trail]

afaik the DoD did do that

[spring briar]

basically
shells wide

[thorn trail]

for a C-5 I think

[runic prairie]

You’d just have to be careful with impurities.

[spring briar]

being wide = bad for pen

[thorn trail]

I forgot how much ethanol mix it was

also the only plane afaik that really wanted its unique jet fuel was the Blackbird

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-will-ferrell-beautiful-its-beautiful-wonderful-gif-3547414

[thorn trail]

JP-7 was only used by the J58 on the Blackbird

[runic prairie]

Remember what they took from you.

[manic latch]

You want a good MBT? Here

60-70 tons
1500hp or 1750hp diesel
125 or 130mm gun with bustle autoloader and blow out panels
Hard Kill APS system
Good composite protection
Third Gen Thermals, LWR, Hunter killer ability for gunner and Commander
Data link systems with other units and GPS
Auxiliary power generator for systems to still work without engine being on

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Oh no

[runic prairie]

No boiling vessel?

[spring briar]

krem accidentally made an 80 ton tank

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

I’ve found articles talking about the Comanche

[shut wren]

Check for some of them

[strong plank]

And how many will be bought

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[shut wren]

Cries in 55tons

[manic latch]

Light is good tho

Usually

[runic prairie]

A good MBT fits the doctrine of the user nation.

[shrewd pecan]

I'm interested

[runic prairie]

That matters more than anything else

[shut wren]

Since when did the 99a become a light tank

[manic latch]

When Abrams became 80 tons

[shrewd pecan]

sorry high speed, pentagons requesting a 152 MM for the new tank

[spring briar]

US small arms procurement is

[manic latch]

Was inevitable

[shut wren]

A mix between tactical penetration and US doctrines

[manic latch]

120mm can be milked only for so long

[shrewd pecan]

I was joking

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Krem
time for 305mm

[runic prairie]

What kind of bridging equipment do you have?

[shut wren]

Let me check

[shrewd pecan]

tho people in the Chieftain server were talking about a 153 MM

[manic latch]

Good

[strong plank]

Also Richy there are a LOT of FN ads

[spring briar]

oh

I like FN

[runic prairie]

Hecken Chonker

[shrewd pecan]

CORRECTION

[spring briar]

guys I'm addicted to Rivadavia

[shrewd pecan]

157 MM

[spring briar]

[runic prairie]

How much does it carry?

[manic latch]

Good good good

The more Object-195 style MBTs the better

[spring briar]

BB shell splatter

[manic latch]

I love LARGE MBTS

[shrewd pecan]

you will return to Maus

[spring briar]

Strongest heavy tank fan

vs

weakest medium tank enthousiast

[strong plank]

la creatura

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

My kind of girl

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

No idea

I can’t find it

[strong plank]

I’ve located peak 1990s

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

But for crossings and stuff the PLA got amphibious bridgades

[spring briar]

krem

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSTAM#Launch_vehicle

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/land/m943.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM1111_Mid-Range_Munition

[manic latch]

Oh

[manic latch]

Ah this one

[shrewd pecan]

we nearly had top down attack APFSDS

[strong plank]

Alright I’m at June with no sign yet

[spring briar]

The limits of efficiency

[manic latch]

How

[shrewd pecan]

look at XM1111

[manic latch]

"Beyond line of sight"

Speak of ambition

[shrewd pecan]

"The missile–projectile was designed to be used as a high-velocity penetrator for line of sight and beyond line of sight shots. In line of sight, it would operate using laser guidance or a millimeter wave seeker. In BLOS, the shell would be fired in a ballistic arc, and would seek out its own target.

The missile used a kinetic energy penetrator to penetrate enemy armor. This effect was improved by a rocket motor that sped the munition up. It steered with impulse thrusters."

[frigid karma]

What the fuck

[shrewd pecan]

considering we have artillery shells that can achieve the same thing

[frigid karma]

Panther II?

[shrewd pecan]

alongside mortar shells

[shut wren]

I couldn’t find anything related to bridging equipment but they don’t have decently good landing craft

[frigid karma]

That’s that’s

Just an spg

[shrewd pecan]

its doable

[frigid karma]

At this point

[manic latch]

Panther II use 130mm

[frigid karma]

No that’s Panther

[strong plank]

“How much ERA y’all want?”

[frigid karma]

None it got banned on ncd

[runic prairie]

Something light for fire-support then.

[shrewd pecan]

a SPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT-70

[shut wren]

Enough to have a foot of it covering all sides

[frigid karma]

And just when we were getting good smut of era chan too

[runic prairie]

Found the Ukrainian

[spring briar]

I love Poland

I love the Polish

[shrewd pecan]

another SPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan

[spring briar]

they are friend

[shut wren]

ZBD-5?

[runic prairie]

Seems about right

[manic latch]

Just imagine 5mm larger than what T-95 has. It's not that hard

[shut wren]

Cover blown damn

[frigid karma]

Why 157 tho

Isn’t 152/155 the standard

[shrewd pecan]

I can't really give exact dates since I'm unsure exactly when that article came out

idk

[manic latch]

That's artillery tho

[shrewd pecan]

I just know the 157 proposal is a thing

[manic latch]

157mm is not artillery

[shrewd pecan]

its not really like there gonna be throwing artillery shells out of it

[strong plank]

I’ve been guessing based on the phrasing

“Last March” in theory gives you about a year

but if it was only a month or 2 after, folks would just write “in March”

[shrewd pecan]

most of the sourcing for M1 CATTB is all over the place so

[spring briar]

I wonder about the ergonomics of a 157mm smoothbore MBT in combat

[shrewd pecan]

its hard to find the exacts for

[runic prairie]

What autoloaders are for.

[manic latch]

God I wish we had firing data of Object-195's 152mm

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

it could also be 1989

since the date range I have goes from like 88-93 for CATTB testing development

[strong plank]

A lot of CV90 news

I’d assume it would be on the later end

Since what you posted

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Said something like “revealed last March” implying that was when the public became aware of it

[shrewd pecan]

earliest I'd check is 89

[strong plank]

“NATO ready if peace breaks out in Bosnia”

[shrewd pecan]

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/cattb.htm

[strong plank]

huh

TIL Sea Shadow is a thing

[shrewd pecan]

even the global security article

seems to have sourcing issues since its claiming CATTB had a diesel engine when I've seen it claimed it had a gas turbine

[subtle prawn]

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/object_212/

[manic latch]

Cutie

[strong plank]

I’ve also been assuming that Jane’s is the publication that article is from

[shrewd pecan]

everything I've been able to find

says its from janes

[strong plank]

Gotcha

[shrewd pecan]

tho it could be from anywhere so

who knows

[strong plank]

I tried looking up the article via the interviewee but no dice

[shrewd pecan]

damn

[strong plank]

I mean, not an in-depth look

Our library doesn’t have anything in Jane’s catalogued

[frigid karma]

Tank encyclopedia

Ew

[runic prairie]

At least it isn’t Naval Encyclopedia

[strong plank]

Oh hang on

Think I may have something

[shrewd pecan]

👁️

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Splot

[spring briar]

Betlehem has always been a little

[spiral cedar]

Bethlehem when ten degree obliquity

[spring briar]

Meanwhile crucible

And Carnegie

[strong plank]

How good is Spookston at citing his sources?

[spring briar]

Trick question?

[strong plank]

Bc his CATTB vid has “Jane’s 1992-1994” which would narrow it down a bit

[shrewd pecan]

should narrow it down hopefully

[strong plank]

Ah shit

Armour and Artillery

I assume that’s a separate publication

[shrewd pecan]

damn

[strong plank]

Well wait

Armour and Artillery seems more of a reference book from what I’m seeing online

[shrewd pecan]

I see

[strong plank]

The interview seems to be from Jane’s International Defense Review

If the secret projects forum page attached to that image is to be believed, I mean

[shrewd pecan]

ah

[strong plank]

Think your best bet, if you’re looking for that particular interview, might be to see if it’s archived online somewhere

As in that volume

Since IDR seems to have been published yearly

Seems they also used to sell CD-ROMs but idk if any would be floating around still

[shrewd pecan]

I'll look around for it

[strong plank]

Were you looking for info on the CATTB itself or the Abrams 3?

[shrewd pecan]

generally info on CATTB

tho either would work

[strong plank]

Yeah unfortunately all I’ve found is what I’ve posted here

Our library seems to have inherited a bunch of records

[shrewd pecan]

I'll have to look around for Defense review

[frigid karma]

Biryong 130mm anti-ship guided rocket launcher on a South Korean Chamsuri-class patrol boat (PKMR) [1500 x 1023]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1648075441637318656

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, USCGC Spencer sank U-175 as the submarine attacked a convoy in the North Atlantic. Spencer used depth charges to force U-175 to the surface, then scored several hits on the sub with surface gunfire. Spencer and USS Duane rescued 41 men from U-175's crew of 54.

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Twitter · Apr 17, 2023, 9:26 PM

[shut wren]

How are US brigades Structured?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9e7Fr67JzY

[shut wren]

So like

Y’all know how some tank museums have shells on display

Are those like metal

[frigid karma]

they're shells

I'm pretty sure you couldn't set them off even if you took a hammer and whacked it

[spiral cedar]

No. Due to laws regulating the storage and display of live munitions on public premises, they are almost always ceramic or plastic replicas, painted to resemble the real thing. For more information look up Sonic inflation on Google

[frigid karma]

now of course if you had a bomb you could, but the issue is moot at that point

[frigid karma]

fascinating

[shut wren]

How hard is cermanics

[thorn trail]

ceramics is just a blanket term for a group of minerals

[shut wren]

Can I beat someone to death with it tho

[spiral cedar]

I suggest you get mental help first

[thorn trail]

can you beat someone with fine china? then the answer is yes

[shut wren]

So slight question agin uh

Is it possible to use kinetic energy to pen the top of a tank by using a APFSDS round with the sabot removed and dive bombing and assuming a direct hit

[frigid karma]

What are you dive bombing it with

I'm also not sure if fin stabilized rounds work when going downwards

[shut wren]

F-16

[frigid karma]

Don't quote me on this

But even though roof armor is fairly thin, I'm pretty sure the speeds at which an F-16 must travel to penetrate a tank top with apfsds would rip its wings off

[shut wren]

[thorn trail]

also at what angle are you dive bombing

[frigid karma]

you're better off just strapping a 10kg bomb to it and mathing out with the F-16's systems how to land it on top of the tank

[shut wren]

90 degrees or 0

[shut wren]

sorry,we don’t allow small ass bombs on American planes

[frigid karma]

you're better off approaching at 20 or 30 degrees

[shut wren]

Can like

APFSDS be used like rockets if we engineer a small motor to the back of it

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-stare-funny-gif-26367587

hold your head under water for two straight minutes to find the answer

[frigid karma]

humans can survive without air for 3 minutes

make it 20

[solid mango]

Amaga 👍

[maiden citrus]

[grave ravine]

Let me introduce you to kinetic energy missiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-166_LOSAT

[grave ravine]

I mean I presume if you dropped it from incredibly high altitude the terminal velocity of the dart would be enough to pen the top of a tank if it hit it.

[frigid karma]

man

watching cw lemoine react to ac7 is

interesting

@tough quail suffer

[tough quail]

he's correct

it can reach up to 900 knots when plummeting from altitude after having it's tail blown off by a 9M311M

[maiden citrus]

'the peregrine falcon is the fastest bird'

[frigid karma]

any plane can do 900 knots

[tribal mortar]

Nice

[cinder escarp]

All planes are doing more than 900kt, assuming a truly static reference point )))

[tribal mortar]

Yes that is true

[cinder escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452040757130297345/1097695434153148466/image.png

LCS-31 had a bit of a launch oopsie

The tug didn't get out of the way fast enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452040757130297345/1097680062570053722/vumFq0Y.png

[tribal mortar]

Oh damn

[runic prairie]

Very hard with a Young’s Modulus of over 30 GigaPascals. They’re generally harder than metals though this is not always the case.

They also are prone to shattering due to basically no plastic deformation.

Here’s a helpful guide

Stress = Force/Area

Strain = Change in Length/Length

The initial straight section is the elastic deformation and its slope is Young’s Modulus.

Toughness is the integral (area) of the curve.

Here’s a better guide.

Oh I should say there’s a difference between engineering stress and true stress but honestly, it doesn’t really matter unless you’re a nerd.

[frigid karma]

funky boi

[runic prairie]

Xcom looking gun.

[frigid karma]

The Pancor Corporation Jackhammer is a 12-gauge, blow-forward gas-operated bullpup automatic shotgun designed in 1984 and patented in 1987. Only three working prototypes of the Jackhammer were built.

[hushed saffron]

Is that trigger in the stock the mag release, or....?

[maiden citrus]

I think I'm in love

[frigid karma]

have some nudes of her then

also

Unique to the Jackhammer was the ability to convert a loaded cylinder from the weapon into an anti-personnel device similar to a land mine by the addition of a firing mechanism. The cylinder would be loaded with up to ten 12-gauge shells and the firing mechanism fitted over the bottom section of the cylinder. A pressure plate or plunger can then set to mechanically fire the shells in the cylinder upon pressing or initiate a spring-loaded timer which can be set to trigger firing up to twelve hours later, in one hour intervals. As the cylinder is designed to contain the pressure of firing normally, it can be discharged and reused when used in Bear Trap configuration

you can turn it into a fucking land mine

[maiden citrus]

[manic latch]

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/RDPHistory/status/1648045981513011208?s=20

Ricky D Phillips Official (@RDPHistory)

April 17th 1982: A Soviet Submarine lurks around Ascension. Several ships are launched to chase it away, and the Russians leave with the signal "Good hunting" before slipping below the waves. It is quite clear that Ivan is taking an interest, and not just on Ascension...

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Twitter · Apr 17, 2023, 7:29 PM

[remote monolith]

https://twitter.com/Wolf359Project/status/1635050253169881088?s=20 @maiden citrus

Wolf 359 Project (@Wolf359Project)

Too often, History forgets about the stories of the enlisted crewman below decks. Liam Shaw is a survivor of Wolf 359 who took his tragedy and dedicated himself to becoming a leader who never forget where he came from. #StartrekPicardSeason3 @ToddStashwick @TerryMatalas

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Twitter · Mar 12, 2023, 10:48 PM

forgot to tell you about this when Picard debuted

[thorn trail]

what the-

[remote monolith]

it's a cool little nugget

wait what am I doing here

ah well

[maiden citrus]

history of the future

but yeh, picard is cool

[shrewd pecan]

my friends AD unit

[runic prairie]

Jesus Christ

[frigid karma]

TIL, the front hull of a leopard 2A5 doubles as a can opener

[thorn trail]

what's the heaviest ww2 destroyer

[frigid karma]

define destroyer

are mogadors or c.romanis destroyers

[thorn trail]

uh idk why those two wouldn't count

[frigid karma]

some call them CLs

hm

@delicate beacon what's tromp's full load?

nvm, doesn't matter

c.romanis are heavier

pretty sure the romanis are considered the heaviest DDs of ww2

[delicate beacon]

4800 some, hard to say exact

[frigid karma]

yeah, then the romanis would be heavier

since they're all >5k

[strong plank]

Jesus what the actual fuck

[manic latch]

Commie terrorists
Literally White Russians who escaped from Soviets

[runic prairie]

Fascists aren’t known for being smart nor consistent.

[frigid karma]

At least they acknowledge 731 exists

[manic latch]

No he is at worse state

[frigid karma]

And by their definition, it was death row inmates

[manic latch]

"They deserved it"

[frigid karma]

Why?

Everyone in China at that time is death row inmate

The Japanese aren’t picky

[runic prairie]

Only 56 Chinese POWs were released at the end of the war.

This is out of hundreds of thousands, possibly a million POWs taken (granted some did defect and some escaped but Jesus).

[cinder escarp]

You know why the wreck happened?

[shrewd pecan]

apparently they got cut off by a semi-truck

https://www.nordbayern.de/region/autobahn-gesperrt-army-radpanzer-verunglucken-auf-der-a6-1.13168779

[cinder escarp]

Ah oof

[dapper parcel]

looks like about right, teltale signs of uncoordinated braking

Surprised none ends up on their back, TAK-4 FTW (?)

[quick shard]

i didn't know facist Italy had a navy tik i played AL

[desert agate]

they had the 2nd best navy in the axis

had some issues but overall was a very capable force that did its job well until around 1943

[quick shard]

Ngl im gonna agree

[manic latch]

@spring briar

[spring briar]

Cannister

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/04/17/marines-stand-back-up-tomcats-as-a-f-35c-lighting-ii-squadron

[eternal veldt]

Reminds me of another (cluster?) type munition: langridge.

What's that? Sharp rubbish? Gravel? Put that in a bag and just toss it at the enemy. It'll be fine.

[shut wren]

[autumn sorrel]

https://twitter.com/annquann/status/1648196511208177664?s=46&t=VmBPf9V3wtTffwschA-ygw

Lee Ann Quann (@AnnQuann)

"Tool of trade"

Ordnance personnel of Vietnam People Army processing a batch of shells for M46 and casing for their propelling charges. While it's an old face, the Soviet field gun is still held in high esteem and the Army recently invested in a range extension program.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 18, 2023, 5:27 AM

https://twitter.com/annquann/status/1646472974277705733?s=46&t=VmBPf9V3wtTffwschA-ygw

Lee Ann Quann (@AnnQuann)

"M2A1"

Conscripts of Vietnam People Army carrying out maintenance on a battery of M101 howitzers. Compared to their Russian and Chinese counterparts, the American pieces require distinct care. By using various means, the Army manages to keep its M101 batteries in working order.

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▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 13, 2023, 11:18 AM

[shut wren]

Can I kill a M1A2 abrams if I shoot it from the side with a 152mm or 155 mm howizer

[autumn sorrel]

PAVN love the M101 so much that out of all the weapon system captured after 75, they gone to great lengths to keep the gun in active service

[shut wren]

We put all the US 155 and 152 that the PVA captured in museums

[autumn sorrel]

The 155 piece is not common, standard heavy arty are the 152 caliber but some unit still possess the 155 pieces, mostly to coastal gun batteries.

[shut wren]

Then most of em were 152s

[autumn sorrel]

Depend on unit and terrain as well, PAVN adopted Soviet artillery doctrine but put more emphasis on pre-prepared artillery emplacements and concealment. Mech arty are few and belong to independent arty brigade. Infantry division are augmented by 122 howi or 130 field gun. Rocket arty also in abundance.

[shut wren]

[maiden citrus]

oh my lord

[eternal veldt]

very chunky. Annapolis USNA Mahan Hall, I think.

[delicate beacon]

*suddenly the models disappeared. In its place is a calling card with nothing but a picture of a hotdog*

[maiden citrus]

yisss

[eternal veldt]

slightly less chunky.

very nice copper sheathing.

[maiden citrus]

fabulous

[eternal veldt]

ah, one more bonus for today.

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUzkcCV-T5Y&ab_channel=MikeGuardia

[runic prairie]

Helpful tutorial.

[versed cargo]

Too bad they didnt keep the Mig-21s in service, the current Su-27 and Su-30 fleet arent enough to replace the amount of Mig-21s they once had

[rapid junco]

USAAF Major ohn Buyers (left) and Lieutenant Alberto Torres (right) from the 1st Fight.Sq enjoying coffee and donuts

Buyers, even though having that name
He was born in Juiz de fora, Minas Gerais
Son of Americans living in Brazil

Whilst Torres was the exact opposite
He was born in Norfolk, Virginia
Son of a Brazilian diplomat that was on mission on the US
He only came to Brazil when he was 15!

[ivory ridge]

the war understanders have joined the chat
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754162364718514226/1097928917731508374/image.png

[frigid karma]

The heir to the throne of tojokistan

[remote monolith]

https://twitter.com/ZachWeiner/status/1648309241394987008?t=obbFeIHKE1GPPiFsA8TADw&s=19

Zach Weinersmith (@ZachWeiner)

At last friends, I can share with you the greatest of all space mysteries. The weird WEIRD painting described in a cosmonaut diary, but which seems to have disappeared.

Full comic, featuring @FuSchmu here: https://t.co/4jILQscHzw

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Twitter · Apr 18, 2023, 12:55 PM

must've been taken in by the Foundation

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1648372760022859787

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 2002, ships from 5 navies sailed together in support of Operation Enduring Freedom: ITS Maestrale, FS De Grasse, USS John C. Stennis, USS Port Royal, FS Charles de Gaulle, HMS Ocean, FS Surcouf, USS John F. Kennedy, HNLMS Van Amstel and ITS Luigi Durand de la Penne.

Twitter · Apr 18, 2023, 5:07 PM

[shut wren]

Is it possible to fire APFSDS from the same caliber arty piece

[wintry moat]

Like, from an Arty piece?

you would need the barrel to be smooth bore and a APFSDS the same size

[shut wren]

Are there any 120MM smooth bore arty pieces

Or 125mm

[runic prairie]

No, you can fire APFSDS out of rifled barrels.

It’s just lower performance.

[runic prairie]

MFs when you have to first know where the fleet is (they just launched 12 ballistic missiles at a set of USVs with radar reflectors).

[rapid junco]

Oh yeah
Ocean

[runic prairie]

The driving band acts like a slip-ring, rotating while the round and rest of the sabot stays mostly stationary.

https://www.reddit.com/r/educationalgifs/comments/fsejlj/how_an_apfsds_armor_piercing_fin_stabilized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[tough quail]

i too recall when the US decided capital ships were obsolete after japanese bombs and torpedoes blew them up in pearl and coral sea and scrapped them all after

[shut wren]

[delicate beacon]

And converted all the Iowas into carriers

[chilly osprey]

Hey Siri, what's the most effective type of ship at countering an enemy's attempt to target you and engage you with stand-off weapon systems?

A Supercarrier? Gee Whizz, who would have known!

[tough quail]

i really hope people learn to normalize that material can and will be lost and that doesn't make them obsolete

[autumn sorrel]

Keeping the MIGs actually is detrimental to the modernization program of the Air Force, the MIGs already reach the end of their service life and by retiring the airframe, budget can be focus on the newer model and pilot training program. A few rare case is that of Su-22, whose still in service to this day, mostly due to its role of CAS and it ability to provide air cover to the Spratly Islands. About the retired MIGs, they are put to storage, talk still going on about what to do with them, ranging from selling to museum or convert them into UAV. One department of the VPAF that were hit hard by retiring air frame are the air lift, all of the C-130, C-47 fleet are inoperable due to lack of spare part, Airbus C-295 will replace the C-130 but the progress is slow due to budget constraint.

[shut wren]

So

Can I kill the M1A2 SEP abrams with the TUSK by shoving a few bricks of C4 in the top into the inside Via the MG gunner port after I shot them

[runic prairie]

Yeah?

A few bricks of C4 will kill just about anything

[autumn sorrel]

Wat? You mean detonate a few of C4 inside the tank?

[desert agate]

💀 mans really out here asking the most batshit questions imaginable

[shut wren]

Yes

What if in the future I have to rush a abrams with a few C4

[autumn sorrel]

Isn't TUSK upgrade specifically is to stop that from happening

[shut wren]

It’s side ERA and some protection for the top

The RUSK

[autumn sorrel]

You will be death in second

[desert agate]

you wake up from your LARP and go be a real person

[shut wren]

TUSK

[shut wren]

Just run tf away

[shut wren]

Just curious

[runic prairie]

He gets isekaied away.

[delicate beacon]

Only in theory assuming certain conditions. The propellant and shell must both fit within the breech.
Because most barrels designed for non-HEAT shells are rifled this usually means the shell doesn't fit or if it does the gas isn't properly sealed so results from firing are poor.

Even if you can fire it, the results will be terrible. You don't have the firecontrol for it. You don't have tables etc. for crosswinds, how the air and its pressure/moisture affects the round or how the spin or lack there of deflects the projectile. The gas pressure pushing the round out is unpredictable; unknown and untested causing the muzzle velocity to be fuck-if-I-know. It's further unknown how the gas pressure decides to treat the gun. It may very well damage the barrel and if it's rifled you can almost guarantee the rifling will degrade.

[shut wren]

How about the M1A2T but with less boom and only a frag gernade

[desert agate]

yes detonating explosives inside an armoured vehicle will be detrimental to that vehicles continued operations

[manic latch]

Battleship: Don't leave me

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

like what kind of answer were you expecting

that the crewman sitting directly under that hatch is just going to be perfectly fine after a pile of explosive landed on his lap

[runic prairie]

@shut wren

You really are the Chinese DivestTheA10

[shut wren]

Tf does that mean

[desert agate]

the internal weapons control stations are going to be perfectly fine are they?

[autumn sorrel]

With C4? Doubt it

[desert agate]

https://tenor.com/view/critkid7139-gif-23793406

[runic prairie]

Divest was a well renown schitzoid on noncredibledefense years back.

[shut wren]

I need answers to life’s dumbest questions

[desert agate]

yeah he was there right before ncd went to shit

[runic prairie]

Don’t remind me

[desert agate]

realistically caused the start of the downfall

[chilly osprey]

Ahh, Divest

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[desert agate]

fuck that guy and fuck stupid fake reddit drama anyway

[runic prairie]

But he was funny

[desert agate]

M14 is trash thats all that needs to be said

[chilly osprey]

He was funny to watch, from a distance, in a bunker, in a biohazard suit

Not to interact with

[runic prairie]

Facts

[autumn sorrel]

There are people ironically think M14 is good?

[runic prairie]

You don’t know the half of it.

[shut wren]

Next question

[desert agate]

there are people who unironically believe that the m14 is a superior weapon to the FAL/L1A1

[frigid karma]

The ebr or the garand’s little sister?

[shut wren]

Does composit armor stop APFSDS if it’s thick enough

[frigid karma]

[autumn sorrel]

EBR is fine ig, but the Vietnam era M14 is really bad imo

[frigid karma]

Yes

[chilly osprey]

M14 is just sad that it's not a BM59

[frigid karma]

I mean

[frigid karma]

With enough armor you can stop anything?

What are these questions

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, it you have literally meters of armor plate

[desert agate]

nah composite armour is just decoration to make the tank look cool

doesnt actually do anything

[manic latch]

Mss is trolling

[frigid karma]

gaijin regarding bushes

[manic latch]

Bait question

[autumn sorrel]

I don't think he is

[frigid karma]

No he is

Genuinely that kind of person kremlin

[runic prairie]

He’s the Chinese Divest.

[frigid karma]

[desert agate]

i have words to say but nimi will censor me

[manic latch]

It's like asking does armor plate stop AP

[ivory ridge]

how dare you speak of the unholy being

[loud cape]

how to rewrite history😟

[autumn sorrel]

Winning the war

[manic latch]

Go back to new york

[runic prairie]

I can and I will.

[loud cape]

ok

[frigid karma]

Be German general in 1946

Now go back to the tunnels

[loud cape]

a

[frigid karma]

Glados is searching for you

[loud cape]

how to go back into 1946

[manic latch]

Glados

[desert agate]

step 1: be douglas macarthur
step 2: ????
step 3: everyone loves you for no reason
step 4: history successfully rewritten, profit

[autumn sorrel]

Mcunter deserve scorn for being a massive asshat

[loud cape]

makes sense i guess?

[desert agate]

macarthur should have died with his men on bataan

[loud cape]

macarthur height

[desert agate]

fucking coward ran and fucked up the whole war because of his ego

[delicate beacon]

I think the trick was have a press team with you to sing your praises whilst the powers that be give you special treatment.

[frigid karma]

Run over veterans and burn them alive?

[tough quail]

these people need a burlap sack and rope

[frigid karma]

Ahem

[loud cape]

a

[frigid karma]

Some of his takes

[autumn sorrel]

That was Patton, during the Veteran march

[delicate beacon]

Running over and burning alive doesn't sound so bad compared to what he actually did.

[frigid karma]

He helped

[loud cape]

m14😟

[runic prairie]

No invading Canada?

[loud cape]

winter

that's why

or is there

I DONT KNOW

[delicate beacon]

Kremlin these whitenames weird me out let's get out of here.

[manic latch]

Invading Canada

Pros
More US land
Maple Syrup now belongs to US

Cons
No leaf flag

[frigid karma]

You’re a white name

[frigid karma]

Cons
Quebec

[loud cape]

leaf flag is bad

[maiden citrus]

canada is based

[loud cape]

make a better art flag

[delicate beacon]

Cons: Alberta

[manic latch]

[runic prairie]

Last one seems like a pro.

[frigid karma]

[runic prairie]

Ah, there it is.

[frigid karma]

This man deserves to chug agent orange

[delicate beacon]

I wonder how long before Nimi

[tough quail]

the small arms legacy of the US owes everything to both the garand and ar-15 being supremely excellent weapons to live down the fact the army was stupid enough to curse all of NATO out of assault rifles for over a decade

[frigid karma]

Since he probably thinks it’s a refreshing drink and not a war crime

[autumn sorrel]

Pro: Canadian now have endure the Stars Sprangle banner

[tough quail]

And then made by far the worst battle rifle of the period

[delicate beacon]

Sounds like a con to me.

[thorn trail]

r/place would love the no leaf flag seeing as they can't even make it lol

[runic prairie]

Ironic for him to call Brits Pedos.

Maybe he is a brit.

[manic latch]

Canada is damn lucky ngl

1. fertile enough soil and neighbor of US
2. US can protect you always so you don't have to fund your army much
3. can buy good stuff from US

[remote monolith]

@maiden citrus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5O1ZXcGQlA

[autumn sorrel]

The amount of idiotic racism is... astounding, like at least get history fact correct somewhat

[remote monolith]

one month

[maiden citrus]

yehhhh

very excited for it

[remote monolith]

dinobros once again feasting on Maastrichtian goodness

[frigid karma]

The Dino’s are furries now

[runic prairie]

Liberal agenda

[delicate beacon]

Maastricht?

[autumn sorrel]

Is Dino only have light coating now

[manic latch]

Growing up sucks

Nobody asks you what your favorite dinosaur is anymore

[remote monolith]

the last period in the Mesozoic

[frigid karma]

Ok

[autumn sorrel]

But but.... Dino

[frigid karma]

Could you mount a tripod 50 cal

On a stegosaurus

[autumn sorrel]

On the side, maybe

[remote monolith]

called such because the first sedimental layer of that period was found near Maastricht

[delicate beacon]

Jeez I knew Limburg was behind the times but not all the way in the Mesozoic

[remote monolith]

so it got that name

same way as to why rhe Jurassic Period got named after the Jura Mountains

[thorn trail]

Earth should experience the Siberian Traps again

[desert agate]

and a constitution that fundamentally wont let them become a republic lmfao

[manic latch]

There is a whole game
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_D-Day

[spring briar]

Somebody say shell???

[delicate beacon]

That explains why they have that sick Dino zoo there.

I SEE NOKKEN

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

F

[autumn sorrel]

Unironically, it sound awesome

[remote monolith]

some of them does, others are still pretty much toothed birds

T. rex is still flip-flopping in this regard

whether it has feathers all over or just in select places

[autumn sorrel]

So technically, dino taste like chicken?

[remote monolith]

chickens are dinosaurs so

yeah

[manic latch]

😋

[remote monolith]

we've been slaughtering dinosaurs for millenia

[autumn sorrel]

How to solve world hunger, resurrect dino and chicken farm them

[thorn trail]

rotisserie t-rex

[remote monolith]

that's pretty awesome ya know

[thorn trail]

wonder how rotisserie t-rex would taste like

[spring briar]

Like turkey

Since Trex has very low fat percentage

[thorn trail]

turkey? oh hell no

I find turkey dry

[remote monolith]

help my T. rex suddenly sells watermelons

[runic prairie]

Maybe you just suck at cooking.

[delicate beacon]

Excuse you. It's Turkïye now

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe how they cook it, there are way to trap the moist

[thorn trail]

idk it was my uncle who cooked it so idk maybe that's why

I still prefer chicken tho

[runic prairie]

Skill issue

[remote monolith]

oh btw, this is for hit

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/apr/12/95-million-year-old-dinosaur-skull-discovered-in-queensland-belonged-to-rare-sauropod

pretty big milestone

[tight notch]

🍿

[frigid karma]

My ads think I'm Spanish Pakistani

[autumn sorrel]

So land bridge or the 2 continent was closer?

[frigid karma]

I can speak a very minor amount of spanish

Don't know why YT thinks I'm from Pakistan

[autumn sorrel]

You speak Pashtun?

[frigid karma]

No

[maiden citrus]

last I read t rex skin impressions gave no indications for feathers recently

[remote monolith]

both were part of Gondwana, so the latter is more likely

[thorn trail]

how old is the dinosaur

[remote monolith]

for adults yea, but the young are still debatable

[thorn trail]

because afaik it was only around 90mil years ago where South America finally detached from Africa

and the other Gondwana continents detached after South America detached iirc

[remote monolith]

about 98 million years old, so around the beginning of late Cretaceous

in a sadder news, another fossil doomed to rot in a private collection

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65314219

[maiden citrus]

rip

[thorn trail]

so makes sense then

[autumn sorrel]

Where can I find the server that believe in dino civilization?

[maiden citrus]

dinotopia.discord

[thorn trail]

north africa was very much attached to Africa until like much later

[autumn sorrel]

Real thing?

[maiden citrus]

(good book series for dino fans)

nah, just a joke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinotopia

[tough quail]

i can understand the hate of full feather dinosaurs

but partial ones are cool as fuck

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, I don't really believe in it but it sometime fun just to hear wacky theory

[remote monolith]

based series

[tough quail]

they went from just being big lizards to being big lizards that are also cool native american warriors

[remote monolith]

loved it

[maiden citrus]

had its own tv series back in the day

[remote monolith]

I remember that

never finished the series though

[autumn sorrel]

Need to change the Lizardmen to have feather now

[tough quail]

yeah honestly

they need to just scoot them further up the continent and you have the historical aesthetic

[maiden citrus]

to be fair

in divinity original sin 2, I play as a...

that

[tough quail]

based

[maiden citrus]

when my party actually can meet anyway

[manic latch]

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/04/18/navy-long-range-plan-shows-minimal-growth-in-many-warship-programs/

[maiden citrus]

todd where do you stand on the 'spinosaurus never actually existed at this point' debate

[frigid karma]

not surprising with the budget growing slower than ifnlation

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

As long as they don't have a member call it quits midway through

[spring briar]

Midway

[delicate beacon]

[autumn sorrel]

That's Qing Battleship, what's it name again?

[spring briar]

No

That’s USS Maine

You’re thinking of Dingyuan

[autumn sorrel]

Look Look pretty close to it

[frigid karma]

That's clearly not maine

[runic prairie]

Remember the Maine and to Hell with Spain

[frigid karma]

there's no spaniards nearby

[autumn sorrel]

Should have hang the Journalist, they are a bunch of warmonger

[maiden citrus]

I don't see any mines

[wintry moat]

120 is real small for arty

Considering 152 is the norm

[runic prairie]

That's the trick there never were any.

[spring briar]

155

[spring briar]

Maka

[maiden citrus]

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/simonharley/status/1648383444622143488?s=20

Simon Harley (@simonharley)

Despite numerous complaints, Google refuses to accept that CVN-65 is not a “Frigate ship”.

Twitter · Apr 18, 2023, 5:50 PM

[maiden citrus]

dang spanish

[ivory ridge]

are we like

seriously doing that

[frigid karma]

doing what

[ivory ridge]

it's not 1898 anymore

[ivory ridge]

you dont need to lie about the maine anymore

[frigid karma]

it is always morally acceptable to declare war on the spanish

[autumn sorrel]

Question on Iranian revolutionary guard, they exist side by side with the Iranian Army? They have the own air force?

[maiden citrus]

the cause of the sinking is still debated, and we will probably never know

[spring briar]

No I’m like 90% sure it was due to overheating of the blackpowder charges near the boiler room

But yes

Could’ve been aliens

[autumn sorrel]

Or the Brit

[runic prairie]

Yes. It’s mainly used as an internal counterbalance to the regular army from back when the Armed forces still had a lot of people from the Shah.

It’s like the direct tool of the Clerical portion of government.

[desert agate]

maine is gone

banned

he no longer permeates this channel with singapore discussion

[maiden citrus]

but what if

we put 400 me-109s

in okinawa

[wintry moat]

Question

[maiden citrus]

the children

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

excellent idea, tankers no longer exist

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

i always get confused between me 109 and bf 109

just call them bf109s

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

both are technically correct

[spring briar]

I just call them overhyped shit

[wintry moat]

I remember hearing about a design roughly close to King George the 5th but with 16inch(406mm) guns

[desert agate]

bf109 is more correct but it isnt wrong to say me109

[runic prairie]

They get bombed

[frigid karma]

bf109s are overhyped?

[spring briar]

No

[shut wren]

No

[frigid karma]

yeah, i thought not

[shut wren]

Love the ones with 20mm

[frigid karma]

usually it's the 262s or focke-wulfes

[wintry moat]

They were good, until like late 42

[maiden citrus]

it's a meme from a person that said for japan to win the war they should have had germany send them 100s of me109s

[wintry moat]

They they started getting diminishing returns

[frigid karma]

anyways you put a 100 bf109s on okinawa and the japanese toddlers piloting them immediately die to a trillion hellcats