history

[autumn sorrel]

If everything doesn't work then we will nuke earth to oblivion, if we can't have it, no stinky slimy Alien can

[remote monolith]

since last year I asked about whether the USA sacrificing 2 super carriers and 10,000 soldiers is bearable to keep 1 monster away for a year, I was thinking we could up the ante this year

[shut wren]

Do what ever japan did

blow it up and use acid

[autumn sorrel]

That will be political suicide if that happen for more than 2 year

[remote monolith]

but isn't it lighter than say, WW2 casualties? Theoretically the US should be able to provide the bodies just fine right?

[shut wren]

twitter bitches gonna bitch

[autumn sorrel]

US can but a war with no victory in sight and with you throwing away troop lives with no prospect of victory or success will sap the public morale real quick and they will demand for other solutions

[remote monolith]

mm, I see

[autumn sorrel]

It all come down to how long your society can keep up with the burden, US only have 50k+ death during the Vietnam war but the War was lost back home when the American people feel that the war wasn't worth it. So you either turn it into a full blown total war for survival of mankind or use nuke and call it a day.

[shut wren]

Ukraine Mig-29s

[quick shard]

Woh

they producing dat orM?

[manic latch]

Ukraine producing something?

[shrewd pecan]

Su-27

[manic latch]

All they left was relics from Soviet era

Since their economy become shambles in 1990s

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 I will have you know this is a Sukhoi household

[shrewd pecan]

their MIG-29s and Su-27s have been reasonably modernized over the years

the operational ones at least

[manic latch]

Well of course if you can't build a new one

You modernize it

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the bulk of a lot of NATO countries air forces are still Cold War leftovers

Same with the Russian airforce

[manic latch]

Yep. But even they weren't hit hard as Ukraine did

We are speaking of becoming Europe's second poorest nation

[shut wren]

cuz like the soviet republics relied on each other ig

[manic latch]

While having large Soviet industry

Antonov is good example

[shut wren]

mhm

big plane

[manic latch]

It used to build largest planes of Soviet Union

After collapse. It had to stick to small planes only

[shrewd pecan]

Mryia

[manic latch]

Indeed they could never finished second An-225

Because well the collapse

[quick shard]

"bell,we have a job to do"

[shut wren]

these two mfs on their way to build a big ass plane ^

[manic latch]

This was it's last state. Stayed like this since 1991 as I believe

Since Ukraine had no money and there was no demand for such large plane

[shut wren]

Jeff bezos coulda brough it for like a little house or some shit

put a big ass door on it

looks cool

[manic latch]

He prefers Zeppelins

[shut wren]

He could use this as a drone mothership

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, no order or money so who gonna put work into it?

[shut wren]

could sold it to china

we needed a transporter back in 91

[autumn sorrel]

AN 225 was a Soviet "dick measuring" project with US, when it gone then the plane really have so little use, yeah, it niche is carry shit ton of load but you can do that with a fleet of IL76

[autumn sorrel]

Didn't you guy lack the use for heavy cargo plane until recently? I don't remember China need heavy lift plane during the 90s

[shut wren]

Taiwan

[autumn sorrel]

Bruh, dropping Para over Taiwan is pretty stupid

[shut wren]

the plan was to

use missiles to blow up the ROCAF and SAMs

and use cargo planes to supply the landing forces n shit with supplies

and drop a few type 15s

wait i dont think we had type 15s back then

[autumn sorrel]

That would require you to capture an intact airfield and defend it until the tank got it, that doesn't count reinforcement for the 1sr wave got shot down and if it is AN 225 then there's a high chance for it to be shot down and take its cargo with it

[shut wren]

Type 15s dont have to land

99As do

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, you guy have to wait till the Soviet collapse to get the SU27

[shut wren]

Ukraine sold us a bunch of shit

[autumn sorrel]

After the Collapsed

[shut wren]

da

IIRC there was a plan to buy some Tu-160s

[autumn sorrel]

And how long does it take to reverse engineer and began domestic production?

[manic latch]

Ukraine literally created Chinese carrier force

[shut wren]

yes I know

[manic latch]

Selling the prototype Su-33 and Varyaf the unfinished sister of Kuz

[shut wren]

I forgoe

we just started using em

[shut wren]

yes I know krem

[autumn sorrel]

And Russian immediately shot it down

[shut wren]

gib rip

but we got US dorito

[autumn sorrel]

Russian really hate people getting hand on their stuff back then

[manic latch]

Nah heaviest plane before An-225 was the An-124
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-124_Ruslan

[shut wren]

fr

[manic latch]

An-225 is her larger variant

[shut wren]

but then they needed money yada yada

[manic latch]

Soviet Ukraine build like 50 of these before the collapse

[manic latch]

Because Russia knows China will just copy paste it.

Hell I think China cannot export their Flankers since it creates Copyright problems

So if you are going to sell something to China, you have to sell it as expensive pack

Since they will copy paste it eventually and stop buying it from you

[shrewd pecan]

The Chinese Russian love hate relationship

[shut wren]

and then we refused to buy said packs cuz

we were gonna reverse it

[manic latch]

That's why for example if China wants 10 engines from you. You give condition of 100 engine purchase

Because they will copy and start building that engine later

[shut wren]

make as much money as possible before they make something better/equal than what you tryna sell

[manic latch]

Yep

WS-10 is replacing Russian engines for example

Since China got the tech from them and now they can go full domestic

[shut wren]

yep

"China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation" makes engines n shit

I think

[shrewd pecan]

Mongolian goat herder

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NheBQgHVY

[shut wren]

Im guessing this is a Pt-76?

[shrewd pecan]

do you have like, my lawyer has advised me not to finish this statement

[shut wren]

it looks like either a PT-76 or a BMP

[shrewd pecan]

its a abandoned Mongolian BMP-1

[shut wren]

Looks perfectly fine

why would they

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642211445667508224

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, U.S. Fifth Fleet belted out the Easter Sunday "Hymn of Hate" by bombarding Okinawa in support of the invasion. The fleet included 40 carriers and 18 battleships. This is USS Tennessee firing her 14/50 main battery guns as troops approach the beach in LVT-4 Amtracs.

Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 5:04 PM

[spring briar]

Once again, remove the Z from your name

[shrewd pecan]

🤨

[tough quail]

https://i.imgur.com/v4CsdsU.png

its just a prank bro

[shut wren]

~~that was from before ~~

[junior trench]

normal red name behavior

[shut wren]

Oreo

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWWLM3xOi9Q

[manic latch]

Plaaf are you some advanced troll

I have never seen someone ever confuse BMP with Pt-76 before

It's like confusing a Zebra with a pony

[shut wren]

they look the same

[junior trench]

they share running gear and a vague hull shape

that's it

[frigid karma]

posting tank encyclopedia

[shut wren]

ok noted

[frigid karma]

how would you like to die

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-smug-cat-cat-face-cat-face-gif-26262519

[subtle prawn]

I dare to challenge fate

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

No one likes you bro

[frigid karma]

i'm not actually sure just how bad tank encyclopedia is, but from the few times i've been on there and its connection to naval encyclopedia

yeah

[desert agate]

Tank encyclopedia just rips from Wikipedia half the time afaik

[frigid karma]

better wikipedia than wows

[shut wren]

what

[frigid karma]

@eternal veldt is this QE or Warspite?

[delicate forge]

Same principal in mind

BMP made In the 60's, PT in the 70's. 2 different designers too

[subtle prawn]

Casemates present? Warspite

[delicate beacon]

@alpine onyx

[spring briar]

@delicate beacon

[unique sierra]

https://youtu.be/mxUSOEJkGXs

[delicate beacon]

Draaikoepel op middenpivotaffuit met tweeling getrokken voorladers.

[spring briar]

buys ship from french yard
puts British guns on it

[delicate beacon]

Dont worry we noticed they were shit

So we put German guns in it instead

[spring briar]

Stop

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642318404995489793?s=20

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1960, USS Triton was on a top secret mission to circumnavigate the world while submerged when Captain Ned Beach raised the periscope and was spotted by a Filipino fisherman. The terrified fisherman thought the periscope was the eye of a sea monster.

Likes

179

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 12:09 AM

[rapid junco]

You felt that one about the Deodoro class

[eternal veldt]

Casemates, stubbed mast. Warspite.

Both QE and Valiant has no casemates.

[glass trail]

why does it start at 16

[manic latch]

Per Chinese naval naming conventions:
Small boats’ vessel-number is four digits
Surface combat ship’s vessel-number is three digits
Experimental/Training Vessel’s vessel-number is two digits
Destroyers starts with 1, 105 to 113 belongs to North Sea Fleet, 131 to 134 belong to East Sea Fleet, 160 to 171 belong to South Sea Fleet
Conventional Submarines starts with 2 or 3
Nuclear Submarine starts with 4
Escorts starts with 5
Anti-submarine Escorts starts with 6
Missile Escorts starts with 7
Supply, mining/anti-mine starts with 8
Amphibious Assault starts with 9
Boats less than 500 tons will start with X.

[manic latch]

couple of theories. It is two digit, which is fitting for Liaoning’s status as a training/experimental vessel. However, it is also expected that in the future, China will probably change and allocate the two digit numbers to large capital ships such as carrier or large landing craft. As for why it is 16 instead of 11, the speculation is that since Liaoning is a refit vessel and likely low in combat power in comparison to new carriers down the line, the numbers 11 to 15 is being reserved for later Chinese carriers

[desert agate]

Rare is the navy that actually uses chronological numbering

[manic latch]

Spon

What's Burger King called in Australia

Ah the Hungry Jack's

[frigid karma]

@ivory ridge https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/01/europe/italian-government-penalize-english-words-intl/index.html

thought this was april fool's

it

wasn't

welp, you're going to the slammer soon

[maiden citrus]

how dare you use common

[frigid karma]

🤌 🤌

[haughty osprey]

If I was in the Chamber of Deputies my first official press release in response would be "Fuck you."

[manic latch]

Italy is doing interesting choices

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65110744.amp

I do like this one

Will be problematic for future perhaps

[storm echo]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mhVS6tUjyiw

absolutely shit tierlist

absolutely shit

Shinano, was a massive disappointment

AND NO MENTION OF GUREY GHOSTO ENTERPRISE

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/hqjoc/status/1642388011009601537?t=Kr6T66mXN-UBJ5dqwnKG0A&s=19

Joint Operations Command (@hqjoc)

Welcome home 👋🏻

HMAS Canberra and more than 600 #YourADF personnel arrived in Australia on Friday after supporting our Pacific neighbours on Op Vanuatu Assist 23.

Approx 60 #AusArmy engineers and support personnel remain in country, supporting the Government of Vanuatu.

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 4:46 AM

[eternal veldt]

Shinano wasn't complete, and not exactly your standard fleet carrier either...

[alpine onyx]

And the Essex class Yorktown and Lexington

The fuck did they even do other than being one of many?

[storm echo]

I give props to the Shokaku class

one of the best in the war

[alpine onyx]

Also always gotta love when people praise the Murderous Longhouse and the floating sauna that Akagi and Kaga were

Soryu, Hiryu and the two cranes were at least 100% better than those rebuilds

[storm echo]

yes

[shut wren]

Yeah,what he said

[eternal veldt]

Post the 1934/1935 refit, IIRC the situation was better

FWIW, Kaga had the largest capacity of the Kido Butai, just....slow as hell

[storm echo]

indeed

she also looked, rather tall

but the true best IJN carriers were the shokaku class

even considered "the best" when they were built

[alpine onyx]

things improved on the two, but to my knowledge it never got "good"

[maiden citrus]

when you outmatch your enemy massively in both quality and quantity it's hard to find glory

[shut wren]

what if

Cope cages

but with ERA

like a shit ton if it

strapped to the side of ships

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642554504892514305

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

HMS Iwo Jima? #OTD in 1982, Argentina invaded the Falklands. Revealed years later, Reagan had secretly prepared to give Thatcher the USS Iwo Jima if the Royal Navy needed it. The crew would have included U.S. "contract advisors" to operate the systems. https://t.co/b8JzOr1Hj0

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 3:48 PM

[shut wren]

[autumn sorrel]

What for?

Even if you strap ERA on ship, you have to account to sea water erosion, the amount of ERA plate needed if it is tank size, the ship size ERA plate need to be research if you want something for the navy, basically it is a ridiculous investment if you want ship ERA and it effectiveness maybe still meh bc if this is anti ship missile warhead then it gonna go through the ERA anyway.

[shut wren]

we put more

like a shit ton

[autumn sorrel]

It will weight down the ship significantly

[shut wren]

for protection

[autumn sorrel]

If the CIWS, AA missile, EWS and Chaff fail then I don't think I want to strap a few more ton of explosive to the side of the ship for "protection"

[shut wren]

It just might work

[autumn sorrel]

It just might but the possibility of it might doesn't justify the investment cost

Funnily enough, if USN decide to test for ERA then they might test it on the LCS and it will be hilarious to see how much a bigger fuck up it would be

[shut wren]

It wont hurt the amount of money they put in already

[unique sierra]

On NJ rn

[shut wren]

"On NJ"

[unique sierra]

[manic latch]

Ada class under construction for Pakistan navy, seems still using the 76mm OTO Melara instead the new MKE 76mm

[ivory ridge]

turkish 76mm

[shrewd pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-nationalism-flag-gif-22803072

[ivory ridge]

[shut wren]

somebody add turkey murm to this

[autumn sorrel]

I can't stop laughing at this for nearly 3min

[manic latch]

This feels boring ngl

Wake up, eat, clean or dunno do check up to equipment then take a break then do it again

[frigid karma]

which iowa

[frigid karma]

that's life on every warship

[manic latch]

True

[manic latch]

I wonder who

[autumn sorrel]

That's military life most of the time

[frigid karma]

ah

[frigid karma]

https://twitter.com/atamonica1/status/1642059520158609408?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Atamonica (@atamonica1)

Pog

Likes

214

Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 7:01 AM

nimitz in busan

[unique sierra]

NJ

Got some more

[unique sierra]

Didn’t know they did public exhibits

[manic latch]

Hmm

They make a good refit on her but

It's not that good enough to replace the ww2 technology for rangefinding and fire control

Kinda bugs me little but I can understand

[frigid karma]

the iowa's had superb fire control systems for their time

if they really wanted to they could probably design better, but for shelling VC, Iraqis, and Lebanese it's not needed

[manic latch]

Strongest proposal for her radar I think was from 1990s

The main battery would have received a Mk-160 Mod 5 GFCS to manage the direction of 16" long range rounds (11" and 13" discarding sabot, and RAP).

Since it's 90s, VLS cells were also proposed

Would look smh like this

Sea sparrows, MK-41 VLS, MK-160 Mod 5 fire control, Tas-23 radar for sea sparrow. And 5/54 of Montana class

Weird they wanted/54 of Montana in 90s...

[alpine onyx]

Looks expensive, which is likely why they didn't bother

[manic latch]

Should be cheaper than her hybrid and missile conversions but ye

[shrewd pecan]

It’s something that would of made sense with Cold War era budgets tho there’s other issues with the iowas beyond just modernizing the armament and fire control systems

Her internals when it came to crew quarters and amenities would of likely needed major overhauls alongside preparing the ship for the potential introduction of female crew members in the 90s

[manic latch]

I assume they won't allow gender natural toilets or barracks for reasons I can understand

[shrewd pecan]

90s was when the navy started introducing mixed gender crews and for obvious reasons ships like the Iowas would of needed substantial work to accommodate such crews

[ivory ridge]

redundancy

she had other radars as well anyway

[shrewd pecan]

If the Cold War era budgets somehow continued I could see the baby maintaining two of the Iowas until the Zumwalts started showing up tho they were going to need substantial work if they were going to stay in service past 92

[unique sierra]

To be honest I don’t see much of a point

Probably gets more expensive than most building a couple of burkes

And being selfish and a WW2 guy I’d say that I like that they kept em close to a WW2 configuration, at least closer than if they did a VLS refit

[tough quail]

i dont think its a matter of budget

the iowas were basically dying

[manic latch]

Texas

[tough quail]

REACTIVATE TEXAS

853,900,830,532 dead in the middle east for every degree of list flooded

[ivory ridge]

based

[shrewd pecan]

only one really physically falling apart was Iowa

you could of likely still gotten a decade or two of service out of New Jersey and Wisconsin

tho I'm doubting either would of went beyond the early 2010s

[manic latch]

Me when Ship of Theseus option

[shrewd pecan]

fascinating options

a European made this

how dare they think we would put French radars on our ships!

[ivory ridge]

the 127/64 is superior to the 5in mk45 mod 4

[frigid karma]

sweet relief

[maiden citrus]

sure thing buddy

[dapper parcel]

... Battleship with TAS
I'm not sure if I need more or less coffee today

[shrewd pecan]

ah

I didn't notice TAS over all of the Euro radars

[frigid karma]

agedlikemilk

also get some sleep

[maiden citrus]

I just woke up

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372267338663198720/1091061460643364986/1034723981825159228-1.gif

[frigid karma]

oh yea ur east coast

[strong plank]

Drove past Indiana’s anchor today

[slow raft]

I live within an hour of USS Massachusetts yet I've only been twice since I moved here

[manic latch]

@tough quail Turkish Pantsir Turkish Pantsir

Ngl it looks cool but wonder if they will build it

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-true-reaction-cat-funny-gif-26404518

[manic latch]

There is also this variant. Which is German + Russian marriage

[frigid karma]

Turkey tech tree

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/subbrief/status/1642680184296833025?s=46&t=SN56KiicdV4OePQu5xNjhw

SubBrief (@SubBrief)

https://t.co/zd5LCM4bxQ

▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 12:07 AM

[dapper parcel]

That's just skyshield on MAN chassis?

Wait, the cab doesn't look like RMMV

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642692664058433538

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

This the is Balao-class submarine USS Sennet (SS-408) in the Antarctic to test new under-ice sonar and gather hyrdographic information during Operation Highjump in 1946. The Sennet's bow would be damaged by the dense ice. #SubSunday

Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 12:57 AM

[zealous vine]

Has any navy tried stacking torpedo tubes on top of each other?

[dapper parcel]

Well, vertical stacking is the norm in submarines

[zealous vine]

Forgot to specify, on ww2 destroyers

[desert agate]

yes

[zealous vine]

iirc the Soviets did do that right?

[desert agate]

V/W class destroyers had a triple stacked torpedo tube

[zealous vine]

Woah

[quick shard]

u guys know any ww1 stuff?

im kinda craving for some

[desert agate]

depends on what and where

[quick shard]

France

[glass trail]

imagine a tower of torp tubes

[quick shard]

nothing? eh its ok

[desert agate]

well Sir John Monash, commander of the 3rd division AIF, and later commander of the Australian Corps and the first general to be knighted on a battlefield in over 200 years, quite literally invented the basis of modern combined arms warfare, being the first commander to successfully combine infantry, artillery, armour and air assets in a mutually supporting and beneficial way, inventing the tactics that would be used to break the Hindenburg line

[zealous vine]

How about stacked quintuples?

[desert agate]

he also played a significant role in the battle of amiens, or as ludendorff put it "the black day of the german army"

[desert agate]

not that im aware of

[glass trail]

but what kind of wwi stuff

if you want something french, lazerpig has a funny french tank documentary on his yt

[quick shard]

The battles or jutland

[desert agate]

here is the man himself being knighted by King George V

[desert agate]

lazerpig

🤮

[zealous vine]

Aight, thanks for the info

[quick shard]

dam there uniforms almost as the same lvl witn the germans

[glass trail]

id like you to recommend a funnier french tank documentary

[desert agate]

funny =/= good

[glass trail]

okay but i never said it was good

and its not like its bad

[desert agate]

I stand by that British/Commonwealth officer uniforms are aesthetically the best in any time period after 1914

[dapper parcel]

Especially tropical one

[quick shard]

aight how bout uniforms?

[deep apex]

LazerPig is one of my favorites

[desert agate]

Australian tropical uniforms are probably the best tropical uniforms of WW2

[quick shard]

Ay goin war in da summer

[desert agate]

Japanese tropical uniforms were utterly atrocious throughout most of the war, British uniforms were far too heavy and American uniforms were made in Australia

[quick shard]

in the cliffs of Gallipoli

[desert agate]

been there

[frigid karma]

neat old cartoon i found

[desert agate]

Gallipoli was a fiasco and a half

to say the least

[frigid karma]

Cliffs were near vertical for a start

and unlike D-Day

the invading ships got hammered to hell

[desert agate]

the cliffs were a surmountable obstacle its just that the planners forgot they were there

[frigid karma]

fantastic job

[desert agate]

like, actual Turkish land defences against an invading force were atrocious

on the 25th of April 1915, the entire Ottoman army had something like a dozen machine guns in the entire army

[glass trail]

churchill...

[frigid karma]

oh yea, hit

[desert agate]

and the actual land forces present amounted to a handful of infantry squads who had about as much idea what was going on as the invaders

[glass trail]

lets not forget that churchill failed miserably twice and still got elected prime minister

[frigid karma]

is this line from bf1 accurate?

[desert agate]

where they had maps yes

[frigid karma]

reminds me of a certain current event

[desert agate]

literally the only naval chart that they had for example was a French Crimean war era survey chart

they did have some more recent maps also but they werent very good and a map is also only as good as its user and those users were very bad

I took this picture from the beach, those are the cliffs in which the landing ANZACs were separated from each other leading to mass confusion, as the officers planning the landing, didn't know they were there, the troops who made the landing werent trained in specifically where to go, so the troops all went up the various gulleys and ravines and led to a complete disintegration of unit cohesion

this combined with a stiffening Ottoman resistance, as Attaturk had realised what was happening and over the course of the day was pouring every man he had at his disposal into the front, led to the disastrous order to dig in

an entirely disorganised unit of course, cannot push against even a small entrenched enemy who has the high ground

and the Ottoman troops who obviously realised the importance of those beaches fired with such ferocity that troops on all parts of the front believed they were taking machine gun fire, when of course there were no machine guns present and wouldn't be for weeks after the landings

[frigid karma]

oh, can i have a source for that last claim about taking machine gun fire

[desert agate]

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/50/roberts_machinegun

[frigid karma]

reminds me of mons

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[frigid karma]

except for when he gets stuff wrong a disturbing percentage of the time

devolves serious discussion on history into shitty memes and mindless screeching by his fans

and plagiarizes shit

still prefer him over the likes of felton, i suppose, because he is at least funny

but not a high bar

his t-34 video, and then the armata video, eugh

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/10mhuvv/the_t34_is_not_as_bad_as_you_think_it_is_part_15/

part 1 of five on a thorough debunking of his magnum opus

[dapper parcel]

Man, to think that there's unironically fans of him

[deep apex]

I don't listen for history lessons obviously. I learned that with the ocean liner video

[frigid karma]

i mean, i find his style of content really funny

i would just prefer it if he was

you know

accurate

and gave sources

[deep apex]

His sense of humor is good tho

[dapper parcel]

Idk but to me his joke gets tiresome real fast

[frigid karma]

ardwar, are you gen z enough

[deep apex]

I did feel bad for him at the lira Gonzalez round table tho

Nobody should've been subjected to that hidden layer of hell

[dapper parcel]

I mean, I get it
But when you also immediately went "wait, that's not how it works", it kills the joke

[frigid karma]

yeah when his content is you know

accurate

it's really funny

otherwise it comes off as seriously arrogant

especially if he fucking plagiarizes off of spookston

which isn't something you accidentally do

if i want military related comedy i just watch perun videos about [ ], since, well, yeah

[deep apex]

Yeah he's not perfect

[frigid karma]

he's not perfect is putting it mildly

[deep apex]

I know

I just

[dapper parcel]

I'm particularly susceptible to overthink tropes I guess
It only need one or two blatantly wrong physics to kill my enjoyment of scifi movies for example

[frigid karma]

plagiarization is not a subconscious nor excusable decision

[deep apex]

Do not want to type the Macbeth play

To explain why

[eternal veldt]

Per my memory, the Capitani Romani had quads, arranged 'clover' style.

[frigid karma]

were you screeching "proxy fuse!!!11!" at the Top Gun Maverick showings?

[eternal veldt]

As for funny, I draw the line where it is funny and inaccurate

Is the Second Pacific Squadron funny? Yes.

Is it a pile of blatant bullshit written by a revisionist in the communist era? Also yes.

"Be [redacted], not wrong" - certain demented subreddit

[subtle prawn]

Unfortunately, some jokes I see relating to the Russian Navy these days references that video in some way…

[maiden citrus]

it is funny, and not all inaccurate

[eternal veldt]

Coal dust on deck, yes. A monkey circus and Kamchatka hitting Aurora twice? A wee bit...sussy.

[glass trail]

how do you even...nvrmd

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-dude-its-pretty-funny-stan-marsh-south-park-s15e10-bass-to-mouth-gif-23109777

[manic latch]

I still don't know if Armata's engine is Tiger 2 Sla's engine is a joke or serious claim by him

[shrewd pecan]

I have no idea

tracking engine lineage is near impossible unless your a engine nerd

[manic latch]

And he someone "knows"...

Classic piggy

[shrewd pecan]

as always take youtube videos with a grain of salt especially with pig where its more entertainment than actual fact

🤨 tho I will give him the point on the T-14s driver station alongside its autoloader and its seeming lack of redundancy

[manic latch]

Hold up

Isn't redundancy a bad thing

Or does it have different meaning for tanks

[shrewd pecan]

depends on the context

in terms of a tank

having your gunner optic go out

and having no fall back is obviously

a bad thing

[manic latch]

What you do if your optics get hit tho

[shrewd pecan]

tanks like abrams have a fall back optic

with crewless turrets you can't really do that

[manic latch]

So if I destroy these in Abrams X

She is blind?

[shrewd pecan]

you'd have to destroy the CROWs station as well

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of T-14

you have two systems to shoot

to functionally blind the turret

[manic latch]

She will be looking at you during that moment. Kinda risky ngl

[shrewd pecan]

depends on the scenario

again there's a lot of reasons why a gunners optic or commanders optic can be damaged or fully destroyed

it could be anything from artillery fragments to small arms fire

[manic latch]

True

[shrewd pecan]

again I will point to abrams

[frigid karma]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/M153_CROWS_II_190719-Z-HT454-1216.jpg/1920px-M153_CROWS_II_190719-Z-HT454-1216.jpg

tusken raider looking

[shrewd pecan]

the crew has 4 systems to acquire you from

[manic latch]

Is it still 4 on Leo2 as well?

She looks 2

[shrewd pecan]

3

commanders optic, gunners optic, back up sight in the turret mantlet

[manic latch]

Ooh I see the manlet

That's smart

[manic latch]

Is it also on manlet of Abrams

[shrewd pecan]

yes

commander on the abrams also has two thermal imagers if the CROWs is mounted

[frigid karma]

mantlet

manlet is a different definition

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

western tanks are tall these days, mkay?

we don't need manlets anymore

[remote monolith]

EVERY TANKS SHALL HAVE STATE-MANDATED DWARF RIDING ON IT

[frigid karma]

camera pans to japanese crew struggling to operate chaffees and pattons because of their height

[manic latch]

I mean tanks do prefer certain heights for crew

[frigid karma]

in fact wasn't the height issue one of the main kickstarters for domestic japanese tonk production

[manic latch]

Navy is gigachad
Flood door entrance can still cause problems

[frigid karma]

i recall reading about that somewhere

[tough quail]

those inflicted immense physical and psychological damage on me

[shrewd pecan]

I also love the growing insistence on ensuring the loader will never be able to frontally aim his machine gun on the Abrams

[manic latch]

Heimdall

[frigid karma]

to be fair, the front is likely the least needed place for an MG to fire

120mm canister shot is a thing

[manic latch]

We all know Su-57 video is coming

[shrewd pecan]

120mm canister is being dropped

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/please-say-sike-eric-andre-gif-14690972

what will we do when the zombie apocalypse comes

[manic latch]

IFV

Zombies can't bite armor

[shrewd pecan]

its being replaced by AMP

[manic latch]

Is AMP trying to be Jack of all trades

[frigid karma]

oh, right

basically yeah

completely forgot about this round

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 I like world war z as a book tho I do have to say 120 MM HE being flung at a horde of zombies would at a minimum cripple them

also the entire mothballing of the C-17 fleet and C-5 fleets

[frigid karma]

well, zombies wouldn't exactly, you know

care about too much blunt force as a human would

[shrewd pecan]

since apparently the US doesn't have the jet fuel despite both rationing and you know massive stockpiles in it across the country

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but a bunch of crippled zombies can't really do much

[manic latch]

World War zombies were unhinged

[shrewd pecan]

the movie isn't accurate to the book

in the book they were slow moving classical zombies

[manic latch]

Walking dead zombies beating army was weird one

[tough quail]

less annoying than ww2 tanks tbh

[maiden citrus]

zombies are really unrealistic to win but the scenario is fun to explore

[shrewd pecan]

oh I like the book since it goes against the common zombie setting thing of the government doing either nothing or the bare minimum

[manic latch]

War of the worlds was gold

Prefer Alien apocalypse

[shrewd pecan]

its global governments and people trying to actually fight back and retake the planet

[frigid karma]

i think zombie plots are much more interesting if you don't have the primary transmission method be biting

but airborne

gestures at uss theodore roosevelt

[shrewd pecan]

I kinda like the last of us TV show style of zombie

[frigid karma]

fungi?

[manic latch]

Mushroom

😋

[frigid karma]

the problem is you still need to bite shit for that to transmit, i think

[shrewd pecan]

fungi able to spread through cereals and bites

[tough quail]

like at least with newly produced shit its all untested and hypothetical so its more forgivable to say stupid shit about it

[frigid karma]

the invasion gets wiped out by cosplayers at the local renaissance fair

gg

[shrewd pecan]

main vector in last of us was the food supply tbh

[manic latch]

Dead space style infection

[tough quail]

we've got full hindsight on ww2 tho and t-34s had exactly one competitor

[tough quail]

correct

[frigid karma]

best tonk according to chieftain

[manic latch]

Nobody can Bully IS-2 however

[tough quail]

heavy tanks are kind of stinky by default from a practicality standpoint

but its probably the least stinky

[frigid karma]

idk, dug in jagdtiger is still a threat to contend with for an is-2

obligatory breakdown memes, but if you're defending on homesoil not as big of a concern

[tough quail]

casemates cool and good

[manic latch]

Bruh there is not much tank Jagtiger can't kill

[tough quail]

yeah if you're not moving you're good

[frigid karma]

well you stated nothing could bully an is-2

i'd still be scared shitless of facing down a 128

[manic latch]

I mean maybe 122mm HE can break her barrel or smh

[shrewd pecan]

you could probably just

[frigid karma]

yes, but the 128 is going right through anywhere

just wait for the IL-2 to shit on her

[tough quail]

122mm HE would vaporize the crew

[shrewd pecan]

fling a bunch of 122 MM HE at a Jadgtiger until its armor cracks

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

you dont need the armor crack really

[frigid karma]

Hey, if 75 HE on shermans is enough to make a tiger shit itself and kill its electronics

[tough quail]

the spalling from the first hit would turn them into meat

[frigid karma]

122 is more than capable

Did LVTs see any european action?

[tough quail]

whoever hits first wins in this case but the is-2 glacial reload is gonna bite it in the ass

[frigid karma]

Huh, they were

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

both of their reloads are awful

[tough quail]

i forget how shit the 128s was but i dont recall it being as bad

[shrewd pecan]

around 20+ seconds

[remote monolith]

iirc there was an incident during the 1944 Baltics campaign where 2 Tigers accidentally stumbled on half a dozen IS-2 resting or so, and because the ISs glacial reloads the Tigers managed to disable 2 of them before getting the hell out of dodge

[manic latch]

You forget the Soviet Version?

[shrewd pecan]

that's not soviet

[manic latch]

Wait

[shrewd pecan]

it was a Chinese conversion

[manic latch]

Zis-2

Fuck me

[maiden citrus]

'resting'

grazing in their natural habitat

[tough quail]

thats almost as clowny at the first tiger 2 kill

in the east anyway

[shrewd pecan]

plenty

[frigid karma]

you know what's interesting

the US tech tree has a LVT with zis-4 on it as well

afaik, none were captured during korea though

[manic latch]

There is this picture of Tiger 2 but

[frigid karma]

we have this instead

[manic latch]

No idea how many times they shot her

[shrewd pecan]

it was before the introduction of China

[frigid karma]

peega

[shrewd pecan]

conversion of a American made vehicle so went into the US tree

[frigid karma]

meanwhile, wot

[tough quail]

which was literally just some t-34 stuck in some crops on a farm as a brand new tiger 2 column rolled past it

[frigid karma]

yeah it's an israeli tank on an american hull but it has a french gun so into france it goes

[tough quail]

and blasted three of them from like 200m out

[manic latch]

Why small tracks

[shrewd pecan]

the original M50 was a French made conversion

[tough quail]

managed to disable a 4th iirc

[shrewd pecan]

the French were the first to put a AMX-13 gun into the Sherman

[tough quail]

these aren't really high performance enough to really bother with the tracks tbh

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

and the us just didn't really have as much experience

's why hellcats have tiny baby tracks too

[frigid karma]

western europe isn't as much mud hell as eastern europe is

[tough quail]

wide tracks are always better

[shrewd pecan]

"This project started in 1954 and in 1955, a prototype turret was sent from France to Israel.[4] In March 1956, Israeli Ordnance Corps military facilities began to convert (up-gun) their Sherman tanks with 75mm tank guns of AMX-13s bought and received from France.[5] The 75mm tank gun was known in Israel as the M-50 and, as a result, the up-gunned Sherman was designated as the Sherman M-50."

[manic latch]

I dont like this track of Sherman

This one however

[tough quail]

extend

[manic latch]

Now this is a Sherman I like

[tough quail]

widest of shermans

[shrewd pecan]

before I sleep

the true sherman we all deserve

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

what surprises me is, japan never had much SPGs

the lack of tank is understandable, given you're fighting china

but SPGs should almost always be useful in any combat scenario, no?

[shrewd pecan]

the main issue with Japan is actually getting their vehicles to places

alongside you know

[frigid karma]

navy sucking up the cash?

[shrewd pecan]

producing them in acceptable numbers

[frigid karma]

navy torpedoing what does make it off the production lin?

[tough quail]

just build su-76s

[manic latch]

Why not build coastal batteries instead

[shrewd pecan]

tanks are gonna be a better use of the limited production lines over a SPG

[tough quail]

they weight five pounds and they cost a nickel and its the easiest way to bring a field gun to a fight

[frigid karma]

horse, exactly

why did japan not just jerryrig a 75 or something onto a hull

and call it a day

[tough quail]

im with qwerty on this one a cheap, turretless gun barge would've been a godsend

[frigid karma]

the island defenders would've preferred that to type 69 with a peashooter fighting shermans

and let's be real, with the quantity of AT the chinese had available to them

[shrewd pecan]

with Japan's situation I'd argue that a full on tank would of been better even if it's a light tank since you can do more with it

[frigid karma]

a japanese su76 would be just as survivable in the chinese theatre anyways

[tough quail]

more difficult to produce for less payoff tbh

[shrewd pecan]

a open top SPG no matter what is gonna be more vulnerable as a normal tank

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1_Ho-Ni_I

[frigid karma]

put a tarp over the top to make grenades roll off it then

[tough quail]

fellow spg enjoyer

[frigid karma]

i mean, great, but

wouldn't this be way easier to pull off, and earlier in the war too?

[tough quail]

i know i made a cute little island casemate exactly under this line of thinking

[manic latch]

Real SU-57

[tough quail]

the ones with the long dong 57mm are the funniest looking things

actual jousting rod

[shrewd pecan]

also thinking about it just going with motorized gun mounts wouldn't cut into tank production much

[frigid karma]

kremlin that's

that's a us 75mm

[shrewd pecan]

kremlin?

[frigid karma]

didn't the japanese already have 57s on their regular tonks?

[shrewd pecan]

oh I didn't realize kremlin change his name

[tough quail]

[manic latch]

Huh

[frigid karma]

well, as usual

[frigid karma]

could've would've should've, didn't

theme of alt history

[shrewd pecan]

all motorized Japanese army

nothing but armored car and motorized gun mounts

[manic latch]

Japan had type 98 truck but

Can you fit cannon on it

[shrewd pecan]

ok I sleep

[manic latch]

Oh

@tough quail
American soldiers with two female Red Army traffic controllers, July 1945

Man got the rizz

[maiden citrus]

japan should've just used some of their 10,000 me 109s

[frigid karma]

Coastal batteries have a disturbing quality known as being useless when the enemy is already on the coast

Or getting destroyed by naval gunfire

[spring briar]

A well made coastal turret battery is nigh invincible if properly supplied

[delicate beacon]

Kremlin your 1st April username

[maiden citrus]

coastal turrets can also be super accurate since they are stationary and can map out where shells would land

[manic latch]

Fine no more White House

[spring briar]

270mm turret roof

[manic latch]

Yak-141

[spring briar]

Celery salt

[dapper parcel]

Why tho? They weren't doing mobile warfare and they didn't encounter built up fortifications a lot either

SPG gives them comparatively less advantage with the way and the terrain they conduct warfare

[manic latch]

I think it's a April fools joke

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1642904295325458432?s=20

Oryx (@oryxspioenkop)

The Netherlands just announced that it will procure JASSM-ER air-launched cruise missiles for its fleet of F-35s and Israeli PULS MRLs rather than the U.S. HIMARS.

Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 2:58 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/momijikun_shiba/status/1642726895794937857

くれない 5 (@momijikun_shiba)

こんにちは☀呉湾艦船めぐりです⚓

護衛艦「かが」ですが、昨日まであった緑のシートが今朝一部撤去されて長らく見る事がなかった艦首部分がシッカリ見える様になりました👀✨凄く大きくなった感じがします😳🎵
お時間出来ましたら改装中も最終段階になりました「かが」を是非見に来て下さいね☺️✨

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Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 3:13 AM

[manic latch]

Nice destroyer

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/HornetMuseum/status/1642552971581100041

USS Hornet Museum (@HornetMuseum)

On this day in 1942, the USS Hornet CV-8 left Alameda NAS on her way to launch the famous Doolittle Raid. You can learn more about this raid in the USS Hornet Museum in our "Hornet Legacy Room." #usshornet #usshornetmuseum #doolittleraid #worldwarIIhistory #Navy

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939

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Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 3:42 PM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/DefenceAust/status/1642844467928416256?s=20

Defence Australia (@DefenceAust)

Thank you and farewell 👏

📍HMAS Coonawarra 🛥️ Armidale-class patrol boat #HMASArmidale (II) was decommissioned at a ceremony last week after 17 years of distinguished service.⚓

#AusNavy #YourADF

Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 11:00 AM

and thus is retired the holder of a very storied and noble name in the RAN

[thorn trail]

Could modern Mark 80 bombs penetrate battleship armor?

[desert agate]

they dont really need to

and they probably can

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if they can’t there’s plenty of bunker busters that can

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642636051159171075

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1972, Captain John W. Ripley, USMC, single-handedly halted an NVA offensive by destroying Dong Ha Bridge. Facing heavy enemy fire, he spent 3 hours swinging under the bridge to place 500 lbs of TNT. He received this "bill" from Hanoi for the cost to replace the bridge.

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Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 9:12 PM

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/pansarbandvagn-501/

https://news.usni.org/2023/04/03/former-austal-usa-executives-indicted-for-alleged-accounting-fraud-face-sec-complaint

[shut wren]

German dudes with BMPs

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1642992026793779200

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Today is #NationalFindARainbowDay. This is an F-35B Lightning II assigned to the F-35 Integrated Test Force at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., preparing to land aboard the Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth in 2018.

Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 8:46 PM

[strong plank]

Z
opinion disregarded

[shut wren]

Change it to O

[frigid karma]

Every day I wonder why you are not banned, and every day I look at the admins and remember why

[stone sorrel]

I share the same opinion as 80 percent of the world's population

[maiden citrus]

do I sense coping seething and genocide loving

[shut wren]

the Admins are all hired by the CCP

[frigid karma]

[subtle prawn]

Having a Z in your name makes you look like a supporter of a rather undesirable event currently ongoing in the world rn

[maiden citrus]

nah, some are very overtly russian shills

[frigid karma]

Careful maka

Cant go around attacking genocide these parts

Because it’s politically controversial to

Not like genocide

[maiden citrus]

I mean I woke up to a warn from you probably know who for posting a footling sandwich emote (days ago), but we have people like this here

we know what the alo team likes and who they dislike

[frigid karma]

And how do you know he’s not the head mod’s alt?

[maiden citrus]

I managed to get on you know who's craplist for calling them out probably so now they'll find stuff from days gone by that doesn't actually break rules but there's nothing you can do about it

see: last discussion on the matter

[manic latch]

Decided to sleep and history turned to genocide talk

[delicate beacon]

Just an average wehrb coming through.

[shut wren]

bro a mix between wehr and Russia

[maiden citrus]

there's no difference

[deep apex]

It's times like these I hate my fellow IB fans

[delicate beacon]

You'd be surprised how close they can intersect.

[strong plank]

to address the point, I'd bet like $20 that DF and Zircon aren't all they're claimed to be

my rule of thumb tends to be the more chestbeat-y someone is about a brand new wunderwaffe the more they're compensating for something

[stone sorrel]

why would saudi arabia buy DF and not american missiles when they can buy any american weapon they want as US' loyal ally in the middle east

[manic latch]

American hypersonic don't have good testing results for now

Hell ARRW got canceled

[stone sorrel]

lmao

[manic latch]

And I don't know if US will export their hypersonic when finished

[maiden citrus]

infrastructure and logistics

[strong plank]

you say that like there's a comparable US equivalent

[frigid karma]

there is a term i'd like to use that would get me banned

[strong plank]

why develop something like that when you already have the world's premiere navy

[frigid karma]

America has no SPAA
camera pans upwards to air force raping everything in sight

[manic latch]

But you ARE developing it

Zumwalt will have Hypersonic in 2025 if things go as planned

[strong plank]

oh I was more thinking like

dedicated land-based antiship missiles

[manic latch]

Ah

I mean if enemy fleet reached to America land based anti ship range

Rip US fleet

[strong plank]

yeah it's similar to the whole spaa thiing

[tough quail]

(no it isnt)

[strong plank]

why would you need that when you're already going to have to bring the navy and air force with you

[tough quail]

[manic latch]

Leaving spaa was kinda shortsighted since small drone threat was I think wasn't considered

Now people looking at cannons again

Turkish Pantsir

Leonidas Microwave

Uhh German 35mm thingy

[maiden citrus]

hold on they named something leonidas' microwave

[strong plank]

not taking drones into consideration also makes sense when you realize like

how much of the army's fleet is from the 80s-90s

[manic latch]

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/leonidas-high-power-microwave-hpm-system-usa/

[stone sorrel]

drones will probably be the premier weapon for half a century to come

[strong plank]

and we had a virtual monopoly on drones for a while

[maiden citrus]

let him cook hot dogs in the spartan microwave

[strong plank]

there's also the SHORAD Stryker

[tough quail]

why is there a guy named german engineering/eugen's husband and a Z in their name here

[maiden citrus]

that there are actual advanced EW pieces here (and drones that are better)

[shut wren]

because they didnt want to fucking sell them

[tough quail]

and not shoved into a locker where they belong

[maiden citrus]

an alo moment

[stone sorrel]

you underestimate america's thirst for arms sales

[manic latch]

I should be Homelander for next April fools

[strong plank]

anyway the whole "muh carrier killer missiles" thing is just lmao

[deep apex]

[shut wren]

oh shet

[deep apex]

[maiden citrus]

nah, red guardian

[deep apex]

Even

[tough quail]

carriers are ships

[manic latch]

Tho say. How do you stop a hypersonic flying into a carrier right now?

[tough quail]

ships sink when you throw lots of shit at them

then you build new ships

[maiden citrus]

same way you stop a normal one

[shut wren]

throw shit at it

[maiden citrus]

hypersonics are way easier to detect, even

[deep apex]

Just

Distract them

[tough quail]

the weird duality of carriers are obsolete/carriers are invincible is asinine and annoying

[deep apex]

They're computers

They're not humans

[strong plank]

the whole "oooooh this missile shall make carriers nothing more than floating mass casualty events"

like

[manic latch]

But that wants speed, interception flies to assumed range where enemy missile will go, problem is this time its at least x2 faster. So chase is already impossible

[maiden citrus]

'yo you ever wondered about the ending of pi'

'you know what that's interesting'

[shut wren]

America and USSR refused to sell that shit so they hit up china for the DF-3

[strong plank]

my brother in Christ the US knew how important naval missile defense is since the mid 1960s

[shut wren]

[stone sorrel]

its the Df 21 d now an probably more to follow

[tough quail]

regal pls

[strong plank]

where do you think Aegis came from

[shut wren]

why not 26D

[maiden citrus]

I willed it into existence

[stone sorrel]

they probably don't need it

[strong plank]

why do you think carrier task forces are designed around protecting the carrier

[maiden citrus]

so I could get to this point, and use leonidas microwave to cook

my next stop is athena's oven

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

there's no "this will kill every carrier ever" and no "carriers are unsinkable AA fortresses"

[manic latch]

You don't need sink the carrier however. A hit around catapult deck will force it to take months of repair

[tough quail]

just because something is designed to do something doesnt mean it will always succeed

[frigid karma]

you mean leonoardo da vinci

[tough quail]

this goes for carrier defense and anti-ship missiles

[shut wren]

send some dude on a sucide mission

use a big pointy plane

hit the CATOBAR shit

[stone sorrel]

the person who throws the most shit at the wall always wins

[maiden citrus]

or even do what they say it will

[tough quail]

i hate the goofy ass modern warfare idea that if something is ever lost its useless and obsolete

[strong plank]

I've seen some folks here unironically believe the former

[shut wren]

you throw shit at enemie

[tough quail]

and if something hasnt been lost yet

its invulnerable to harm

this isnt how warfare works

[manic latch]

You know it's ironic when this leads to ww2 times when
BB vs Aircraft carrier arguments

Now it's Hypersonic vs Carrier

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ww2 is a great example

carriers blew the fuck up left and right

they're still great

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x being replaced has always been due to capability rather than weakness

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Kamikaze

https://tenor.com/view/plane-crash-gif-9073361

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case in point, ww1 cavalry

[shut wren]

Its effective to some degree

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drone kamikazes will be a great tactic

[strong plank]

don't explain it to me horse, explain it to this dude

[tough quail]

Z wehraboo

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a russian and a french horse is going to get shot by a machine gun and die either way, but in the east the horse can at least attack the enemy without getting stuck in barbed wire

[tough quail]

actually arguing with them

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fair

[tough quail]

you're basically yelling into a beehive

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can't logic a person out of a stance they didn't logic their way into

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Cavalry is always OP tho

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fasciboo

[stone sorrel]

that was the JS Izumo, how many DDgs for escort do they have to keep it from being hit

[maiden citrus]

and thus horsememes was granted his power

[stone sorrel]

not a US CG

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was

also that's the Kaga

[stone sorrel]

same class

can't japanese

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Jan Willem de Winter sounds very French

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He was Dutch

Joined France

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Because uhh

France better?

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That was the joke or something

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Dunno

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B A G U E T T E

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in any situation where it would have to face down either of those missiles, it'd be pretty decently escorted

[ivory ridge]

wow you seriously believe this bullshit

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I mean actually thinking about it

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insane how dumb you tankies are

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DF's the only one it'd ever realistically have a chance of facing

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i cant use either of the other 2 terms otherwise i will get banned

[tough quail]

do not lump me in with this level of autism

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

at least the soviets actually won wars

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don't be a tankie then

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do not the fasciboo

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This cavalry versus ships thing is like the emu war battle except the emu war actually was being fought in.

[ivory ridge]

again i cant use the actual word to classify them because it's very close to another very bad word but with a single letter changed

[tough quail]

yeah valid

[stone sorrel]

oh you're a tankie I wonder if you have read Mao

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because I can't imagine a certain country being able to mount an offensive around the kurils in the next decade or so

[shut wren]

does it start with the last letter of your name

[ivory ridge]

the original does

[tough quail]

myrtle moment

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[maiden citrus]

it's even more bizarre considering how everything is going

everyone hates us, that means 80% of people believe this is good and likes us

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muh global south

muh brics

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i guess the opinion of africans and indians don't matter

[maiden citrus]

I win next election with 175% of vote

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get kazanstan and make it BRICKS

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dw

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You seriously think all indians are a single blob of opinion

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Since when did the Indians start being spoken for like that.

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SOMEBODY has been watching too much propganda

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The Indians have been doing their own shit for a while

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yeah, everyone has

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taps the sign

history channel

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welcome to 20 fucking 23

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not russia make stuff up channel

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I also can't imagine India's happy with [current event]

[shut wren]

C H E A P OIL

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funny you would mention india

seeing as

[ivory ridge]

"what do you mean the T-90s we ordered blew up"

[strong plank]

y'all remember how the tanks they paid for got yeeted onto the front lines and deleted in the first 3-4 months

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I would say they are. Buys oil from Russia then sells to Europe in more expensive price

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their purchases from a certain country have slumped

very recently

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tfw no proper art for this majestic piece.

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id start pinging the mods if i were you, eugen, so they could bail you out

[maiden citrus]

go to the discord feedback channel

so that we can tell you you are wrong there too

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"What do you mean they collapsed in on themselves due to poor construction"

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lmao who is buying all that russian oil and selling it to europeans at a premium

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No tank is immortal if you don't have good support for them as mentioned. Turkey Leopard 2 Syria experince shows the same thing

They will die to atgms and other things

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that's not the part kremlin

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Huh

[deep apex]

Idiotz

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if I was buying a car from someone

[deep apex]

That's my name for them

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SIPRI noted that arms exports worldwide have long been dominated by the United States and Russia, with the two countries ranking first and second over the past three decades.

But Russia’s gap over France, the third-biggest exporter, narrowed, with Paris’s share rising to 11 percent from 7.1 percent.

"France is gaining a bigger share of the global arms market as Russian arms exports decline, as seen in India, for example," Wezeman said. “This seems likely to continue, as by the end of 2022, France had far more outstanding orders for arms exports than Russia.”

U.S. arms exports rose 14 percent from the 2013-17 period to 2018-22, while Russia’s exports tumbled 31 percent. France’s exports rose 44 percent, mainly to states in Asia, Oceania, and the Middle East.

India received 30 percent of France’s arms in the recent five-year period, surpassing the United States as the second-largest supplier of weaponry to New Delhi.

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and they took the car I paid for and ran it into a ditch

and totaled it

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doesn't mention [ ] by name, so mods will have to try a bit harder to ban us

also about that economy thing

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[maiden citrus]

sounds almost like why someone entered ww1

[shut wren]

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they're so confident in it, the day after a certain NYT reporter publishes a piece on their financial situation he suddenly disappears

wooo

woooooo

spooky

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[maiden citrus]

he quietly died of old age in his sleep, with 5 bullet shots to the back of the head

at the age of 31

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Ohh that way, I think you can make exception during wars for delays, British WW1 dreadnought yoinking was most hardcore example

[ivory ridge]

8 DDGs, 28 of what the west would call frigate

which guess what

is more than Russia

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the whole fucking concept of china invading anyone these days is comedically stupid anyways

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ok sure, a battleship is one thing

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distract the populace with what

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does russia even have the abality to even build new modern ships n shit

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have you seen china's population graph

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No

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didnt population fall by like 12M this year

22-23

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reportedly

[stone sorrel]

how did Afghanistan go for you

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Gorshkov class is not modern?

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which meant it actuallly began falling at least a year earlier

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but you'd think the so-called powerhouse of eastern europe would have enough kitted-out tanks to not have to pull from paid-for export models to fill out their frontline troops

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I wouldn't know, I'm chinese myself

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They're western import reliant

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they havent built any surface vessel heavier than 5.4k tons since the USSR fell

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have we been invading there?

[shut wren]

Not yet?

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China will grow larger.

[deep apex]

We lasted twice as long as you did

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better than for the soviets lmfao

[shut wren]

get ready for the 3 child policy where you must have 3 kids or else we put you in the "special" place

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state mandated GFs coming

[stone sorrel]

oh same

[strong plank]

monkey's paw curls, the Republic of China doubles in size

[shut wren]

bruh you just realized that

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wow you manage to hit every bullseye on the dartboard at once

[ivory ridge]

a chinese pro russian wehraboo

why are you on an american app again?

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What happened in 1960

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reminds me of someone

[shut wren]

cuz

sent on spy mission

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I think that gives us a BINGO doesn't it

[ivory ridge]

the west is so evil and stuff

[deep apex]

Yeah dude

Ability to

Get this

[stone sorrel]

im a baathist

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computers are evil west technology

[ivory ridge]

depends

is he pro assad

[shut wren]

we fucking threw babies into the river

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if the baby didn't have a dick, we gave it a hell of a kick

[deep apex]

Criticize the government

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[shut wren]

^ what he said

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"Democracy is ability to insult the president"

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🤮

[deep apex]

Ewwwww

[strong plank]

hey unde you called it

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💀

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god, the communists at least have north korean nukes

[stone sorrel]

"says the election was stolen" gets sent to prison

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and when nk is on an 'at least' example jesus fucking christ

[deep apex]

Baathists

Scum cringe

[tough quail]

oh my sweet christ i look away and it gets worse

[maiden citrus]

we have a full bingo

[shut wren]

No com

[tough quail]

can i just

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No

[shut wren]

No

[deep apex]

You a special one ain't ya?

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'wow these takes are incredibly bad, I wonder'