history

[shut wren]

By building ships

[shrewd pecan]

they invested into their shipbuilding capacity

UNLIKE CERTAIN OTHER NAVIES

[strong plank]

I HATE THE US SHIPBUILDING INDUSTRY I HATE THE US SHIPBUILDING INDUSTRY

[shut wren]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I LOVE MASS PRODUCTIONI LOVE MASS PRODUCTIONI LOVE MASS PRODUCTION

[strong plank]

imagine if we could export LHDs like we do with other capabilities

What a world that would be

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of the CV program, idk its within Korea's reach

I don't really think its too much considering their blue water navy program

[shut wren]

I mean

CVs are cool and stuff but

they expensive

[frigid karma]

You are told to sell all your LCSs to a nation

For 1 cents a piece

Who

[dapper parcel]

They have the shipbuilding capability for sure
Tech gadgets also won't be that much of a problem to license compared to KF21 components for example

[tough quail]

ill take one

[frigid karma]

And why is it China

[tough quail]

they're comedically bad but they look cool

[shrewd pecan]

I hate the LCS's since there's a world where there actually valid surface combatants with affordable costs

[frigid karma]

No what I’m wondering is

[shut wren]

HUH?

[frigid karma]

What exactly is the point of

Brown water ships in the usn

You have LHDs

[strong plank]

Are you gonna send an LHD after pirates

[dapper parcel]

You don't run LHD doing PF duties...

[shut wren]

so we can ask congress for more funding

[shrewd pecan]

LCS was meant for a mixture of missions that freed up larger vessels for other missions

the issue is uhhhh

[frigid karma]

They’re shit

[shrewd pecan]

they can't perform half of those intended missions

[dapper parcel]

MISSION CREEP

[frigid karma]

They’re just shit

[shrewd pecan]

since they cut the programs for them

[shut wren]

just mass produce patrol boats

put one VLS on it

or somethin

[strong plank]

Congress fucking over yet another program

[frigid karma]

Also drones can probably just handle pirates way better these days

[shrewd pecan]

patrol boats can't have navy grade sonars on them

[shut wren]

Congress gotta congress

[frigid karma]

Just have one drop a guided grenade and the Somalis or whoever are fucked

[tough quail]

just take all those shitty 105s we try putting on light tanks and put them on patrol boats

[dapper parcel]

Congress trying not to porkbarrel a project
impossible

[tough quail]

american sea-34 spam lets go

[shut wren]

send a MQ-9

problem solved

[frigid karma]

Yeah like

[shrewd pecan]

LCS with like 16 VLS cells, the anti submarine and mine warfare modules and we would of had the ultimate light surface combatant

[frigid karma]

If your pirates have AA and armored decks and hulls

[shut wren]

Cruise missile

[frigid karma]

You can afford to send a destroyer after them

[dapper parcel]

Someone probably will eventually want it to have 30 day endurance or something

Thinking about it, that the next capable platform for USN is Cyclone class is wild

[shut wren]

somebody update me on who got the MQ-9 remains from the black sea

[shrewd pecan]

no one has

[strong plank]

There’s nothing really for them to get

[shrewd pecan]

its 20+ year old drone hardware

[strong plank]

Data was scrubbed before it hit the water

and lord knows the Russians aren’t in any position to reverse engineer technology rn

[shut wren]

Sell it to the chinese

we can

[dapper parcel]

Ez, send to Iran

[shrewd pecan]

both the Iranians

and the Chinese

already have their own equivalents

[strong plank]

when you’re sending captured equipment to Iran for analysis you know you’re doing bad

[shut wren]

American stuff looks cooler

[shrewd pecan]

in fact the Iranians I'm pretty sure already have reverse engineered predators

[tough quail]

i think i could build you something rougghly comparable to an mq-9 these days

it's old as sin

[strong plank]

Hell the Air Force is even trying to divest em

[tough quail]

also its like.. a drone

its just a flying dick you strap stuff to

its not very complicated

[dapper parcel]

I don't think anyone is in for the tech, They're probably more interested in the data

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaman_22_(UAV)

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIG_Wing_Loong

[shut wren]

Yea I know we have that

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIG_Wing_Loong_II

[shut wren]

but MQ-9 looks cooler

[dapper parcel]

Iran is ironically enough the most Freeaboo miltech-wise

[shrewd pecan]

THERE LITERALLY MQ-9 CLONES

[shut wren]

THE MQ 9 LOOKS COOLER

[tough quail]

they look the fucking same

[shut wren]

other than the Wing loong 2

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_Wing_Loong-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_WZ-10

[shut wren]

I stand corrected

White looks better tho

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokol_Altius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronshtadt_Orion#Variants

[shut wren]

I like the PLAAF ones

[shrewd pecan]

Russians also have this in service
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahed_129

[shut wren]

the beige looks golden

rich people MQ-9

[shrewd pecan]

but yeah

literally everyone already has MQ-9 equivalents in service

[shut wren]

have they been combat tested tho

[shrewd pecan]

I'll give you two hints

https://tenor.com/view/yemen-republic-of-yemen-south-yemen-north-yemen-الجنوبالعربي-gif-18566204

https://tenor.com/view/ukrayna-ukraine-flag-ukraine-gif-23460766

in fact I'll make it three

https://tenor.com/view/syrian-flag-syria-gif-12955377

[shut wren]

what about the PLAAF ones

[shrewd pecan]

Saudis and other Gulf states have been operating export versions over Yemen

[shut wren]

Someone tell me how effective are the J-6 and 7 drones

[shrewd pecan]

(these are Wing Loongs)

[shut wren]

alright

[dapper parcel]

For a moment I thought German empire was back
Then Egypt, but that doesn't make sense either

[shut wren]

so not very fucking well

[dapper parcel]

They're not supposed to take fire anyway

[shut wren]

No fucking shit who woulda known

[tough quail]

a loss =/= bad

the best equipment in the world will be lost in droves in protracted combat

[shrewd pecan]

sorry but MQ-9 is clearly bad

[shut wren]

I know that lol

shit blows up got it

[delicate beacon]

The T-14 and PL-1 never lost in combat thus they are better than the Abrams

[shrewd pecan]

I posted the Wing Loongs like that since like the rest of the Saudi campaign

it hasn't gone well

[shut wren]

what does the N mean

[shrewd pecan]

idk

ratel

[tough quail]

F

[dapper parcel]

What being P2W noob do to an army

[shut wren]

Mfs brough premiums

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it could be worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Yemen_Civil_War

you could be the Egyptians

[shut wren]

Major skill issue

Or equipment issue

[shrewd pecan]

they were basically thrown to their deaths

by their leadership

"Egyptian field commanders complained of a total lack of topographical maps causing a real problem in the first months of the war. Commanders had difficulty planning military operations effectively or sending back routine and casualty reports without accurate coordinates. Field units were given maps that were only of use for aerial navigation. Chief of Egyptian Intelligence, Salah Nasr, admitted that information on Yemen was nonexistent. Egypt had not had an embassy in Yemen since 1961; therefore when Cairo requested information from the US ambassador to Yemen, all he provided was an economic report on the country.[3]"

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

Funny US Doritos

[stone sorrel]

put some salsa on it

[ivory ridge]

ignoring how, you even said it yourself, the KF-21 doesnt pretend to be stealthy rn

we are comparing KOREA to Russia

arent the KF-21 and the TA-50 LITERALLY the only indigenous planes they ever built?

and one is a bootleg american fifth gen

and the other is a compact f-16

[shut wren]

Apparently putting salsa on multi million dollar planes is a felony

[stone sorrel]

[ivory ridge]

compared to Russia which at least has an History in actually building their own planes

i would say the comparison is a bit

eh

[shut wren]

Tell HQ to bail me out pls

[shut wren]

I mean

We’re comparing russia or the Soviet Union which where huge af to SK

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372267338663198720/1091061460643364986/1034723981825159228-1.gif

yes thats

my point

[shut wren]

It’s like y’all comparing uhh

A T-26 to a Abrams

[tough quail]

the point was

complaining about a problem that literally doesnt actually exist
dead silence on "why are you even trying to stealth at this point"

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

like at that point just.. make a regular fighter and do the stealth thing later

not

pay all the expensives and tradeoffs of stealth

with none of the stealth

[shut wren]

Make fighter in shape of stealth plaen

apply stealth later

as DLC

or upgrade pack

[tough quail]

and its not like south koreans dont know hot to military

going from essentially no actual domestic tanks to K2s is a hilarious glow up

[junior trench]

apply the weapons bay later

[tough quail]

its just raw dumb decision making

[junior trench]

KF-21 has been marketed as the high end of 4.5 gen with room to legitimately enter 5

[shut wren]

Not a SK military professional

[junior trench]

rather than trying to market itself as xXx5thgenNATOslayer999xXx

[ivory ridge]

doesnt actually exist

right

[tough quail]

yes

[ivory ridge]

that's why in its patent it has the RCS of a fucking clean super hornet

totally

[shut wren]

Other than CMs and radar scrambling thingies,what other protection do planes got against AAMs,both IR and radar

[subtle prawn]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/03/south-koreas-dsme-lays-keel-of-first-kss-iii-batch-ii-submarine/

[manic latch]

Still weird af decision for her to use missile exposed like that ngl

At least Turkey's MMU does have interior bays

That won't compromise her stealth geometry

I know Korea will also make that in later variants of Kf-21 but...why start like this in first place

[manic latch]

Ok yeah for it to be fair comparison I will watch the developments of MMU and KF-21 carefully as mentioned now

If MMU does end up more promising in performance and actually using her weapon bays then I can laugh at this decision of Korea on literally killing the stealth of Kf-21

It will be fair since this is first fighter of Turkey as well

[tough quail]

mmu has the issue of being turkish

so i kind of assume its made of cardboard

[ivory ridge]

maybe they wanted experience before committing to something only 2 superpowers actually managed to achieve

[shrewd pecan]

from what I’ve said earlier it’s likely there still developing the necessary systems and software for the internal bays

also what undefined said

[manic latch]

How come Turkey doesn't encounter such problem

[ivory ridge]

because they arent open about it

[manic latch]

Hmm

[shrewd pecan]

Turkeys plane hasn’t even flown yet

[ivory ridge]

and the MMU is

[shrewd pecan]

Nor has it gone through weapons trials

[ivory ridge]

several years behind the KF-21

[manic latch]

Isn't the taxi run difference is

1 year

So MMU should fly in few months or week

[shrewd pecan]

KF-21 is already going through weapons trials

[manic latch]

Yeah but. Her first flight wasn't that long ago

[shut wren]

Those being?

[ivory ridge]

US and china

On 2 July 2022, Defence Industry Agency published the invitation to tender for the domestic development of the engine to be used and İsmail Demir, undersecretary for Defence Industry Agency, stated that TRMotor, which is a subsidiary of TEI, has submitted its proposal and Turkish Air Engine Company (TAEC), consortium by Kale Group and Rolls-Royce, will submit its offer soon.

they

dont even have an actual engine for it yet

[shut wren]

So did the Su-57 fail due to the bad RCS and shape?

[manic latch]

Kf-21 first flight
July 19, 2022

Kf-21 first firing
March 2023

[shut wren]

It takes time to make shit ig

[manic latch]

Like KF-21

Who is using American engine

[ivory ridge]

but unlike Turkey

Korea isnt sanctioned to shit

[shrewd pecan]

Mixture of corruption and budget issues

[manic latch]

MMU will use F-16's engine that they build for decades

[ivory ridge]

for the prototype

[shut wren]

So

[manic latch]

I don't think 21 will always use US engine

[shut wren]

Who would win

[manic latch]

Will she?

[shrewd pecan]

probably

It’s the same engines the gripen uses

[shut wren]

block 10 F-16 or Block 50 F-16

[shrewd pecan]

my only criticism is that they went with the gripen/F-18 engines over the F-16/F-15 engines

[ivory ridge]

they have no reason not to, Korea isnt likely to fall on the US's bad side

[shrewd pecan]

I wonder what would win something from the 70s that lacks BVR capability or a top of the line 1990s fighter

[ivory ridge]

Turkey is

turkey

[manic latch]

Mommy US

[shut wren]

They always say daddy America

[shrewd pecan]

I think turkeys domestic industry is able to produce such a plane, main issue is just getting the necessary technology transfers

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Likely because of uncle sam

[shrewd pecan]

the Turkish fighter is using the better engines even if they’re F-16 engines

[manic latch]

Yup

IRST's shape is better as well

F-35 style ish

Kf-21 use Soviet style ball type?

[shut wren]

Explain

[ivory ridge]

i forgot this existed

[manic latch]

Irst

F-22 lost her IRST because of budget problems

[manic latch]

Or savings

[shut wren]

Nice ball

[shrewd pecan]

She was built in the era where almost no US fighters had IRST

mainly since the US never really needed IRST

[manic latch]

And she planned to have one yes

[shrewd pecan]

until recently

[manic latch]

Then budget cuts hit

[shut wren]

Why

[shrewd pecan]

radar

and no one else having stealth aircraft

[shut wren]

So basically

China

[manic latch]

Irst of J-20

F 22 is literally only Fifth gen with no irst irrc

[ivory ridge]

my favourite plane

[shut wren]

I though IRST was just a replacement for shit radars

[ivory ridge]

the Phalanx

[shrewd pecan]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-22-raptor-being-readied-for-aim-260-missile-by-green-bats-testers

F-22 is getting one tho apparently

[manic latch]

After decades

Damn

[shut wren]

Iirc aim 260 was to combat PL-25

15*

[manic latch]

Likely

US has no such missile ranges

[shrewd pecan]

AIM-260s just a AMRAAM successor

[ivory ridge]

that we know of

👁️

[shrewd pecan]

I mean there is the air launched ERAM

That would likely outrange almost anything if it actually goes into service

[manic latch]

I mean I can build a prototype with 5000km range but nut mean much if I can't put it on general use

[shrewd pecan]

Also actually hitting targets out to those ranges as marketed with the R-37 and PL-15 is still uhhh

Challenging against a maneuvering target

[shut wren]

why tf does the PL-15 on J-20 look like some kid made it with construction paper

[manic latch]

Ain't PL 15 is for Tankers and awacs focus anyway

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995101542992584764/1085232392081510460/FrE32HDXsAI0W1T.png

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but to actually get it on target you have to go through a sea of fighters

[manic latch]

Hmm

[shrewd pecan]

at a minimum there’s 6 aircraft usually protecting a AWACs

[shut wren]

lesson learned

we need better Missiles

[shrewd pecan]

throw in other issues such as jamming, decoys so on and so on

That reduce maximum effective range and probability to hit

[shut wren]

Got it

what if we send a J-7 drone as a decoy

[manic latch]

You can try to overwhelm by shooting 6-8 PL-15 on single Awacs tho

[tough quail]

imagine needing to cope over something as cool as a blackbird

[haughty osprey]

It was a stupid decision to tweet it like that

[shut wren]

Wasting missiles much?

these shits expensive

[shrewd pecan]

also people tend to forget the soft factors beyond missiles such as data link and other factors

[tough quail]

like my god LM have some dignity

[shut wren]

tf they carrying on that mf

[haughty osprey]

And honestly if it does nobody any favors to go "hehe imply we have classified super fast stuff"

[shut wren]

mf cat girl prototype???

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 AMRAAMs a good missile because of its datalink capabilities

[manic latch]

I think SR-72 will likely get cancelled since she isn't faster than Hypersonic missiles

Like what's it's point now

[shrewd pecan]

SR-72 is a internal Lockheed project

[shut wren]

Explain data link

[tough quail]

hypersonic deez

[shut wren]

Your tricks dont work on me,Old man

[shrewd pecan]

do I really have to explain something as basic as multiple systems sharing data?

[shut wren]

nope

You just explained it

[manic latch]

Plaaf just Google these basic terms

[tough quail]

this guy thought it was a good idea to have [Z] PLAAF as a username earlier

[ivory ridge]

Wh

[shut wren]

I was blending in earlier

[shrewd pecan]

guess once he gets rid of the O

[shut wren]

with some chinese dude

[shrewd pecan]

It’s gonna be a V next

[tough quail]

👁️

[shut wren]

Oreo

[ivory ridge]

What do hypersonic missiles have to with planes

[shrewd pecan]

Putin is a fascist

anyway

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

V for victory

[shrewd pecan]

[tough quail]

courageous claims from tato

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Brave action from Tato

We apploud his valor and service

👏

[shrewd pecan]

anyway I have like

8 Ukrainian Sukhoi images I’ve been wanting to post

[shut wren]

ok

post em

[shrewd pecan]

So have them

[shut wren]

why green tip

so it can burn better or smthi?

[manic latch]

Kazakhstan Sukhois

[ivory ridge]

Current hypersonic missiles are hypersonic either because they are straight up ballistic missiles that gain velocity thanks to the arc or fired from planes already going insanely fast

Neither of those things would work for AAMs

[shut wren]

Chinese Suhkois

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think your gonna be hitting maneuvering fighters with a hypersonic unless you get extremely lucky

[tough quail]

just shotgun blast them into the air a few dozen times

you'll get something

[shut wren]

maybe get a extra balloon kill

[manic latch]

F-22 the balloon killer

[shrewd pecan]

just shotgun blast like 100 with nuclear warheads they’ll get something

[tough quail]

insert air to air nuclear rocket meme

[shrewd pecan]

with the START treaties out of the picture unironically we should probably return to nuclear ABMs

[manic latch]

Soon

[shut wren]

damn I though i was gonna get some translating done

big sad

[tough quail]

asiatic super meth

[shrewd pecan]

I hope to god that thing never makes it off the drawing board

[manic latch]

Likely

[shut wren]

If it does then what

[tough quail]

no i hope it does

https://i.imgur.com/FPPKk9m.png

it has little friends

swell

[shrewd pecan]

It gives birth

o no

“Boss the tank we killed it was pregnant!”

[ivory ridge]

👁️

[tough quail]

cringe us army drone guy vs wholesome chinese tank children

[ivory ridge]

But what if the drone was a mothership

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515583624083406848/1090727811251175545/well_fuck.gif

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-combat-arsenal-bird-mq101-drone-fighter-jet-gif-20467470

[manic latch]

Bayraktar TB7 be like

[shut wren]

"Boss,you just killed a child!"

[manic latch]

Turkey superpower 2030 💪

[ivory ridge]

Anyway the modern discourse around hypersonic has copium from both sides

[tough quail]

boss those are just kids don't hurt them

punches drone out of the air

[ivory ridge]

Being both overhyped and underestimated

[shut wren]

Better to over estimate than under

[tough quail]

for that is the heart of all military discourse

it all boils down to clockwise or counterclockwise circlejerking

[ivory ridge]

Just dont be like the people who believe a Kinzhal can dig 120m meters and destroy a bunker full of nato officers in [redacted]

God i hate twitter

[manic latch]

I think I know why Lockheed had to cope about Sr-71. It's likely reaction to this
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/30/us-air-force-drops-lockheed-hypersonic-missile-after-failed-tests/

[shut wren]

Hire some chinese dudes

simple

[ivory ridge]

The tweet was older than that

[manic latch]

Oh

F

[tough quail]

BRAND NEW RISSIAN SUPER MISSILE SPROUTS LEGS AND FUCKS US GENERALS MOTHER AFTER NOSCOPING ENTIRE PENTAGON

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

Horsememe what the fuck

[tough quail]

im goimg to pretend the typo was intentional

[manic latch]

I think only thing that ever hit Pentagon was an airliner

[shrewd pecan]

Just like the 2nd typo?

[shut wren]

They missed

I think

[tough quail]

i dunno some dumbass has probably crashed a car into the building before somehow

[shut wren]

If not

Ferb,I know what we gonna do today!

[ivory ridge]

Nothing says credibility like using 2 year old pictures from syria

[manic latch]

I wouldn't call this miss

[frigid karma]

Undie about to silenced soon

[shut wren]

uhhh

Rip

[frigid karma]

I salute your sacrifice

[ivory ridge]

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

[tough quail]

i... thought you just made up something stupid like i did

not that someone actually claimed this

Incredible

[shrewd pecan]

real

[manic latch]

I assume you don't use twitter

The claims both sides make sometimes

[shut wren]

I go on twitter to watch big anime tits

[frigid karma]

wait did they

did they change discord font again

[shut wren]

and CCP state propganada

[frigid karma]

or are my eyes going blind

[tough quail]

shoutout to the armored warfare official account desperately pleaing

"please stop making fucking stupid tank takes"

[frigid karma]

just me?

[shut wren]

yes

You telling me discord dont look like this

[manic latch]

Feels smaller from here

[frigid karma]

meanwhile, sprocket

ok they squished the font

[shut wren]

My many stupid ideas failed in sprocket

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-m60t-turkish-tank-tsk-syria-gif-23298742

[tough quail]

actually nevermind that ones too specific

ill throw that on the other server

[shut wren]

guys

real question here

assuming the abrams doesnt fire back

if I shoot at it enough times to degrade the armor with a T-26

will it actually break trought

fuck cant spell

[manic latch]

You can kill Abrams from side with a Tiger 88mm if close enough irrc

It's always about range and where you shooting

[shut wren]

war thunder armor sim says you can with a 37mm point blank

[tough quail]

you do not need an 88 to get through the sides of an abrams

you could get through it with an old us 57mm

[manic latch]

Yeah

[tough quail]

basically every modern MBT has paper for sides

[manic latch]

Importance is seeing the right place

Or hitting*

[tough quail]

soviets are the thickest and thats like a whopping 70-80mm

[shut wren]

dont russian ones got ERA

[tough quail]

yeah i mean the actual hull sides

[shrewd pecan]

The western ones have ERA as well on the sides

[manic latch]

And thanks to soon Leopard 2

She will have Soviet eras

[shrewd pecan]

Leopard 2 has add on armor kits

[manic latch]

Leopard 2 A4 mod 2023

I do like West + Soviet combination

[shrewd pecan]

both of these have NERA on the side

[manic latch]

Like Ukraine had that T-84 with Nato 120mm

[tough quail]

i wonder if we can get a leo2 to look like a ghetto black eagle if we go hard enough on the ERA

[manic latch]

Cages for A-7 when

Or is this A6

Always confuse two

[tough quail]

slats are aesthetic as fuck

[shut wren]

whats the difference

[tough quail]

i forget what the difference between 7 and 6 is in totality

[shrewd pecan]

a few things I don’t feel like describing beyond one has gen III thermals and the other has gen I

[shut wren]

noted

[tough quail]

5 to 6 has the important change of: it doesnt look hideous anymore

[manic latch]

Barely visible to eye differences

[tough quail]

2a4s look fine and 2a6s look great

the arrowhead with the old hull front though

looks

horrible

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 generally never got that person who tried to argue with me that the leopard had better sights than the abrams alongside the leopards hull ammo not being a issue

[shut wren]

abrams looks funny

but i like it

[manic latch]

I like Abrams but feel like she is not getting her full potential

[shut wren]

What if

[manic latch]

Despite the budget she can easily get

[tough quail]

it looks kind of weird from the side but from the front abrams look great

[shut wren]

we put a TUSK kit on a bradley

[shrewd pecan]

too heavy

[shut wren]

cut down on some

[shrewd pecan]

in regards to abrams eh she’s in line of what everyone else is doing

[tough quail]

they made a specific kit for the bradley

[shrewd pecan]

closest your getting to a A3 is thumper

[shut wren]

I know the BUSK

[shrewd pecan]

But the Cold War ended making thumper unneeded

[tough quail]

it was never going to get through anyway

[shut wren]

Lets start a new cold war!

[tough quail]

like

the abrams barely existed in the cold war itself

[manic latch]

Yeah Soviets were developing a counter but collapsed before that

[tough quail]

with absolute assloads of corner cutting and skimping out for budgets

there was literally no way in hell thumper was ever

ever approaching service

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

People forget T72s were for M60s

152mm MBT projects of Soviets were for things like Abrams

[shrewd pecan]

it very much did

[shut wren]

Imagine the big boom of the 152mm autoloader being smoked

[shut wren]

late 70s,no?

[shrewd pecan]

man by 83 there were well over 1000 in service

[manic latch]

Wtf

[shrewd pecan]

by 1990 there were 9000+

[shut wren]

Krem what

[manic latch]

I don't know why it send itself

[shut wren]

His FBI agent did a whoops

[shrewd pecan]

people tend to forget the USs ability to massively produce things if it actually invests into said capability

[shut wren]

Never forgot

[shrewd pecan]

like the US for awhile was producing over 900 abrams a year

[shut wren]

Waking the giant is scary

[manic latch]

LCS class mass production

[shrewd pecan]

Navy incompetence

[shut wren]

mass producing ships n shit are hard

[shut wren]

^ what he said

[tough quail]

thats not what i meant

it was put into service basically as stripped down as it could get and then built into an actual mbt over time

[manic latch]

MBT-70

[tough quail]

the base m1 skimps on... just about everything you can think of

[shrewd pecan]

by 85 it had a 120, DU armor and multiple other upgrades

[tough quail]

and the m1a1 isnt much better

[shut wren]

how about SEP

[manic latch]

Yeah Abrams began with 105mm

[shrewd pecan]

The bog standard M1 made up a fraction of the production run

[tough quail]

again, the m1a1 isn't much better

putting an actual gun on is a good step up

[junior trench]

120mm ammo when M1 entered service with a 105mm was worse than the available 105mm ammo

[tough quail]

unfortunately the lack of budget is still biting it in the ass

[junior trench]

because lmao germans

[shrewd pecan]

The M1IP and M1A1 yes they were major upgrades over the standard

[tough quail]

then they re-gooded it with the M1A2

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

whats the protocol for when a important piece of shit is boutta be captured by the enemy?

[shrewd pecan]

The M1A1HA, HC additionally introduce armor on par with the A2s

[tough quail]

so if you think they were going to put in the thumper meme machine when they basically had to piecemeal the abrams into service...

yeah

[shrewd pecan]

Thumper was a representation of a best possible abrams with late 80s technology

[manic latch]

Did US start with horrible Abrams model because they were worried of Soviets pumping so many tanks?

[junior trench]

"horrible"

[tough quail]

and they can produce some fantastic tanks with the shackles taken off

[shrewd pecan]

If the Cold War went on yes I very much believe something like thumper would should up in the 90s or 2000s

[tough quail]

unfortunately congress says no

and takes the money away

[junior trench]

despite Horse's coping, they still kick the shit out of the Soviet opposition

[manic latch]

Didn't mean to offend, I mean worst one of Abrams

[shut wren]

The US doctrine called for like better of less shit no?

[shrewd pecan]

Bog standard M1 isn’t a bad tank

[manic latch]

I MEAN AS WORST M1

[shrewd pecan]

again when it came out the T-80 didn’t even have ERA yet

[tough quail]

projecting time

[junior trench]

you've snorted too much of Sarc's bullshit Horse

[manic latch]

Oh God this is going Tiger 2 fans level

[tough quail]

yeah this probably isn't gonna budge on either side

[shut wren]

so uhh

new topic

[tough quail]

so lets just agree that

checks notes

leo 2s are kind of mid

[shut wren]

Leo 3 when

[tough quail]

and challengers but they look cool so i dont really give a shit

sure they suck ass but man they look sick

[manic latch]

After A9

[shut wren]

when a9

[manic latch]

After a8

[shut wren]

when a8

[manic latch]

Dunno

[shut wren]

bruh

[manic latch]

At the end of the day

If someone asks you

If you would rather have 3k MBT or 300 planes

[shut wren]

Plaen

[manic latch]

You will always go for planes

[shrewd pecan]

man I just want armor stats for the A2 that aren’t the export Swedish ones

[tough quail]

chair force cuckoldry begone

we ride

[shut wren]

Type 99B when

[junior trench]

the export swedish ones aren't even like, armor stats

they're weird results from using RHA as an analogue

[shrewd pecan]

I WANT MY A2 TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO EAT KORNETS TO THE CHEEK LIKE ITS SUPPOSE TO!

[tough quail]

the only trials that matter are the greek ones for the hilarious FRENCH SUPER GPS HACKING story

[manic latch]

Desert storm planes pictures are more popular than the tank one

[shut wren]

TOO BAD NO CUZ ITS CLASSIFIED OR SOME SHIT

[shut wren]

Moment indeed

[tough quail]

in light of recent events especially the greek trials are funny

germany bribing the greek government out of the ass

french techno wizards trying to sabotage the us and britain

britain sending ammo from the 1800s

meanwhile, the us/ukraine/russia

"heres a tank buddy tell us what you think"

[shrewd pecan]

the death of M1 Abraham Lincoln

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

I'm predicting by 2025 the Swedish tree in WT is gonna receive a M1A2 that for no reason has the Svenskt Skydd armor scheme while the US is still using the export armor

[shut wren]

Western sources saying china sending plaen parts to russia

[manic latch]

Best doctrine ngl. The big stick

Fuck the army
Go full on navy (and I assume also more on air force it existed during that time)

[shut wren]

Im hoping they give me my J-10 to 15s

[shrewd pecan]

probably by next year or early 2025

[cinder escarp]

UFP: no

[tough quail]

navy is the only air force you need anyway

chair force exists to be cuckolds

[ivory ridge]

Been coping for the Centauro 2 for the last 2 years

Gaijin pls

[shut wren]

DAMMIT I WANT MY SOVIET PLANES IN chinese EDITION

[manic latch]

Uhh

[shrewd pecan]

idk we don't even have a F-15A yet

[manic latch]

You have it

J-8 is uhh

Mig-21 at heart

[shut wren]

fuck the J-8

[shrewd pecan]

nor a Su-27

[cinder escarp]

J-8's a proto MiG-25

[tough quail]

most of the planes i want are in besides rafales at this point so im gonna be waiting a hot minute

[shut wren]

Su-27 ftw

[tough quail]

i guess fla-

wait

yeah mig 25s too

[shut wren]

J-8 is a slightly fatter Mig-21 with 2 engines

[manic latch]

Mig 29 vs F-16

So it will be F15 vs Su-27

[shrewd pecan]

I feel like

[shut wren]

yall have enough advanced shit

[shrewd pecan]

the MIG-25 is gonna end up sucking by virtue of Gaijin waiting too long to add it

[shut wren]

China block 70s when

[cinder escarp]

Learn, and be enlightened

[tough quail]

i mean its just a goofy interceptor

[cinder escarp]

J-8 is the Ye-152A

[tough quail]

im not expecting meta reaming bullshit

i just want it for funny jousting

[cinder escarp]

Which was one of the proto-MiG-25 designs

[shut wren]

and?

[shrewd pecan]

do I need to tell you the difference between a plane from 1978 vs a plane that hasn't even entered service yet?

[shut wren]

They add shit that never existed

Fine

[manic latch]

F-15 vs Su-27
Su-24 vs F-111
Mig-25 vs ....... hmm

Su-34 vs F-15E Strike eagle

Su-33 vs F-18?

[shut wren]

block 52s

[shrewd pecan]

man the F-16 Block 10 is from the 70s

[shut wren]

J-20 VS F-22/35

[tough quail]

there's not really a mig-25 equivalent, they'll just throw that in for funnies like freestyles i assume

[shrewd pecan]

while the F-16 ADF is a 90s modernization for the block 10 that only added Sparrow and AMRAAM integration

[manic latch]

Su-47 will be lit af

She is fourth gen right

[cinder escarp]

F-15s clean are close, but are limited to 5 minute sprints at M2.5+

[tough quail]

i more mean in terms of actual doctrinal use

[shrewd pecan]

I mean we already have the MIG-25 equivalent

the tomcat

[tough quail]

but yeah valid

[cinder escarp]

Clean F-15s can do about the same (non-engine-destroying mode) speed as a -25. Unfortunately, the canopy doesn't like this.

[ivory ridge]

Tomcat not being the highest BR is still criminal

[shrewd pecan]

why its not 12.0 I can't tell

[shut wren]

Gaijin just fucking hates us

[dusty kraken]

Isn't MiG-25's whole gimmick being a very fast brick

[shrewd pecan]

why my game decides 90% of my missiles will suffer guidance failures? I feel like the snail is conspiring against me

[tough quail]

because US top tier air players are as heinously shit as german ww2 ground players

[tough quail]

yes

[shut wren]

They just dont flare/chaff no more

[tough quail]

it's a nuke interceptor

[cinder escarp]

The MiG-25 is mostly to go very fast and go very high, while carrying the biggest AAM ever put into service.

[manic latch]

She has inferior engines still. Still op af tho

[shrewd pecan]

her engines are bad since its a F-14A

[dusty kraken]

US air players are just bad, not limited to top tier

[shut wren]

which is?

[shrewd pecan]

tho in terms of top tier she's gonna be top dog until the F-15 and Su-27 show up

[tough quail]

they're especially bad at top tier

[ivory ridge]

I powergrinded the italian tree during the christmas event from 5.0 to 11.0 and god i hate this BR and missile combat so much

[tough quail]

they presumably just slam on dangerzone then crash on takeoff

[frigid karma]

be me

unlock G4M1

oh cool 800kg bomb

does like no damage

mfw i dropped an ap bomb on a base

[shut wren]

now play with me

[frigid karma]

no

[shut wren]

mf look like it can carry a nuke

[frigid karma]

i'm afk grinding bombers

[shut wren]

Im grinding bombers too

[manic latch]

Man imagine B-36 with her Cloudmaker bomb 43,600lb (19,800kg)

You can easily delete any BB ever

[shut wren]

Lancaster boutta be replaced

[shrewd pecan]

man I just the US tree to have something with laser guided bombs

you know the bombs we invented

but never got for some reason

[shut wren]

dont A-6TRAM have guided boom

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but I'm not spending 70 dollars for a A-6

[manic latch]

Soviets will replace her if they add Tu-22, since she can drop Fab-9000

[frigid karma]

meanwhile i just want to play a br 4 bomber without dying to a single 20mm

[shut wren]

I almost have Tu-14T

[frigid karma]

why can't i even get tracers on defensive guns

[shut wren]

Impossible

[tough quail]

i just want a backfire

👁️

[frigid karma]

pain

[shut wren]

defensive guns never get tracer belts

cuz fuck you

[manic latch]

BV-238 tracers

[shut wren]

Premiums get premium shit

[tough quail]

like come on we've got tomcats

gimme backfires

[manic latch]

Blinder*

Backfire is M version

So blinder first

[shut wren]

tf yall talking about

[manic latch]

Nato's weird name callings

[shrewd pecan]

anyway one thing I will note

[frigid karma]

isn't backfire a bomber

[shrewd pecan]

what the hell is up with WT helicopters

and radar detection by planes

[shut wren]

alot

[manic latch]

Strike bomber ye

Tu-22M

[cinder escarp]

Backfire is a bomber, Blinder is a booze cruiser.

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 I swear the Ka-50 has F-35 grade stealth when you try to lock it with a plane radar

[manic latch]

Didn't they buff SPAAG radar

[shut wren]

and they say its not op

[manic latch]

Or range

[shrewd pecan]

I'm talking air to air radars

[shut wren]

pantsir only

[manic latch]

Oh

[manic latch]

other Spaags also get longer range buffs

[frigid karma]

it had to have f-35 grade stealth to sneak into 10.3

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of SPAAG radars the introduction of the pantsir and its consequences will scar top tier for generations

[shut wren]

Instant boom

[frigid karma]

fuck cas except russian cas

[dusty kraken]

Everyone else gets US's best stuff except for the US themselves for some reason

[shut wren]

Qwerty on the Russia payroll?

[frigid karma]

also it's hilarious how like

[shut wren]

Gaijin be like "cuz fuck uS players"

[frigid karma]

bombers in low tier RB is totally useless

[manic latch]

Nato never invested on Spaags like Soviets did that's the biggest problem. If you ask me what's nato Pantsir what's the answer

[shut wren]

Small payload= no damage

[shut wren]

ADATS

[frigid karma]

no i can two shot bases with ease

[shut wren]

I can one shot a base too

whats your point

[frigid karma]

it's that airfields are so tanky with insta kill aa that you have to be 4km+ upwards to even bomb them

[manic latch]

Which we had already

[shut wren]

thats the point lmao

[frigid karma]

and even then it takes multiple people to bomb it to knock out the base

[shut wren]

its been like for since

[frigid karma]

yeah but rounds last 25

[shut wren]

checks notes

forever ago

[frigid karma]

so you're just an npc in the team deathmatch in mid

[desert agate]

#other-games

[shut wren]

basically

[manic latch]

I was wondering when you would pop up

[shut wren]

Cuz fuck you and your fun

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/please-keep-the-memes-out-of-general-memes-shawtys-like-a-melody-yes-why-gif-18327037

[desert agate]

its a history channel

[shut wren]

just get Tu-4/B-29

[desert agate]

for history

[shut wren]

we talking about historical aircraft

[desert agate]

not for talking about a fucking terrible game

[shrewd pecan]

https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article14.html

ah no imbeds for F-16.net

[shut wren]

what if i steal one

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Ok Spon you asked for this

[shrewd pecan]

"The aircraft were equipped to carry 600 (US) gallon (2,271 liter) external drop tanks, and to carry 6 BVR missiles such as the AIM-7 Sparrow or AIM-120 AMRAAM."

[manic latch]

What is the history of best Australian food

[shut wren]

Wait hol up

nvm

feel bad for the dude who cleans it

the F-16 intake

[manic latch]

A-6 intake is worst

[shut wren]

never work as USAF ground crew

got it

My man qwerty grinding all dem trees at once

[quick shard]

HISTORYYYYY

TOPIC PLSSSSS

[shrewd pecan]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sea eagle...

then there's the F-15 I kinda wish ended up becoming more than just a prototype

[quick shard]

Ooooo

[shrewd pecan]

2D thrust vectoring

with canards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_STOL/MTD

[quick shard]

they may look good but meh never happened

[shrewd pecan]

superior maneuverability over the standard 15

[quick shard]

wat type of bomber is it?

[shrewd pecan]

alongside being able to use much shorter runways

Demonstrated vectored takeoffs with rotation at speeds as low as 42 mph (68 km/h)[6]: 194 
A 25-percent reduction in takeoff roll[6]: 193 
Landing on just 1,650 ft (500 m) of runway compared to 7,500 ft (2,300 m) for the standard F-15[6]: 193 
Thrust reversal in flight to produce rapid deceleration[6]: 194

its not a bomber

its a fighter

[quick shard]

oof nvm

[shrewd pecan]

basically would of let the F-15 make use of damaged runways while offering better maneuverability overall

[quick shard]

Great for ground support

[shrewd pecan]

considering its a modified F-15B nope

[junior trench]

it's a two-seater

so not an A

nvm

[shrewd pecan]

I meant B

" the sixth F-15 off the assembly line, and was the oldest F-15 flying up to its retirement."

straight just

oldest F-15 that was still flying that they modified into the test airframe

tho it was also a testbed for the F-15Es avionics so

who knows what that things avionics were like

Patlabor F-15 STOLs with F-22 engines 👁️

[quick shard]

topic pweas

[desert agate]

Clive Caldwell was Australias highest scoring fighter ace, achieving 27 solo kills, and 3 shared kills for a total of 28.5 kills
He would fly P-40s in North Africa and the Middle East, developing a tactic known as shadow shooting, which would be widely adopted by the Desert Air Force
During his time in North Africa, he was ambushed by German fighter ace Werner Schröer (credited with 114 kills) and his aircraft took over 100 machine gun hits, and 5 20mm cannon hits, suffering 3 individual wounds, however was able to down Schröer's wingman and cripple the German aces own plane

In 1942 Caldwell alongside most of the RAAF would transfer to the Pacific and converted to the Supermarine Spitfire, and in his first combat sortie over Darwin, would down 2 zeroes and a B5N

In 1943 he would be transferred to Victoria, taking over command of 2OTU, training many of the RAAFs pilots, by 1944 he was returned to Darwin and in early 1945 was sent to Morotai with the First Tactical Air Force, where he would participate in the Morotai Mutiny

The Morotai Mutiny was a protest by RAAF pilots of 1TAF, as they saw themselves being sent on dangerous, but strategically worthless missions, the protest would see 3 senior officers relieved of command, while Caldwell and the other mutineers were acquitted, and while operations did not dramatically change, morale on Morotai improved dramatically and 1TAF would participate in in the 1945 battle of Tarakan

Caldwell was later demoted after it was found he was involved in the alcohol smuggling racket on Morotai, with RAAF pilots flying alcohol onto the island and trading it with American servicemen, and would leave the RAAF in 1946

[spare remnant]

P-51D?

[desert agate]

thats a spitfire

RAAF Mustangs never saw combat

[spare remnant]

Bruh lmao

[desert agate]

3 SQN RAAF flew P-51Ds in Italy and Yugoslavia actually

the Australian manufactured Mustangs never saw combat

[desert agate]

P-51 doesnt have the swinging door visible in that picture

[quick shard]

uhuh

[manic latch]

Does remind me S-22

2D Thrust vectoring with canards

[fierce sparrow]

oh my I see F-15 with canards

[manic latch]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-engine-running-too-hot-due-to-under-speccing-upgrade-now-vital

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

good thing: exists
humans:

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPY9Oucd1E

[spring briar]

@delicate beacon ayo I didn't know HNLMS Schorpioen was built in Toulon

now I NEED to visit

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loyfskJSTOc

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/31/navy-estimates-5-more-years-for-virginia-attack-sub-production-to-hit-2-boats-a-year

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-military-slav-gif-22829267

aussies be like

[frigid karma]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Me sabotaging Iron Blood gear

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/31/navy-awards-1-3b-to-ingalls-shipbuilding-for-lpd-32-amphibious-warship

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1641926661816852483

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

6-inch casings litter the deck of the Cleveland-class light cruiser USS Birmingham (CL-62) following the bombardment of Saipan in 1944. The capture of Saipan gave the U.S. a base that put Japan within striking distance of B-29 bombers.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Mar 31, 2023, 10:13 PM

[frigid karma]

https://www.independent.com/2023/03/28/uss-santa-barbara-sails-by-its-namesake-ahead-of-commissioning/

[shut wren]

sweep em overbroad

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1641960314043285505

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1992, USS Missouri was decommissioned. Because Missouri was the site of Japan's formal surrender in 1945, she was moved to Pearl Harbor near the wreck of USS Arizona where the two battleships symbolize the beginning and end of America's involvement in WWII.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 12:26 AM

[manic latch]

"End of America's involvement"

[quick shard]

bru

[frigid karma]

The war ended

What is inaccurate about that

[quick shard]

ye

shouldn't just put end of Americas involvement in any conflict

[unborn wyvern]

Normally that phrase is used like in Vietnam or in the GWOT where its basically saying the US left before it ended but Here it's the other way around where the US entered after it started

Like "In 1973 the US ended involvement in Vietnam" sort of thing

[shrewd pecan]

In WW2

[lavish fable]

New LCS eh?

[weak spoke]

American subs needs more attention for their part in ww2

[frigid karma]

did they specify any conflict

or just ww2

utterly massive EN moment, jfc

[quick shard]

ww2

[frigid karma]

so, again

what is wrong about that statement

[ivory ridge]

something something the US has been illegally occupying japan since then so the war never ended or something

idk im not an anti american propagandist

[quick shard]

wats da point of saying that when its the end of the war

[frigid karma]

because the US wasn't involved when the war started

[ivory ridge]

it's just saying one is the reason the US joined and the other is where the war ended

[frigid karma]

so

[ivory ridge]

one was the start and the other the end

[frigid karma]

it's more linguistically flowing to say start and end together when describing the US's involvement

it's just kremlin being pepega over us as usual

[desert agate]

The RAAF Catalinas who mined the ports allowing American submarines to devastate the Japanese merchant fleet deserve more credit in WW2

[frigid karma]

Quick question, Hit

what was the general australian stance on the cambodia vietnam war

[quick shard]

then the destroyer came bac to da fleet,then McCluskey and CO followed it

[desert agate]

We protested our way out of it, does that answer the question?

Vietnam and the massive protests surrounding it led to a massive post war decline in military support among the population and almost led to the death of Anzac day as a national holiday (until its revival in the 90s)

[frigid karma]

not the vietnam war

the war between cambodia and vietnam

[desert agate]

Oh

[frigid karma]

the

cambodia vietnam war

should i have added a dash?

[desert agate]

Sorry I thought you meant the 2nd Indochina war

Since that involved Cambodia and Vietnam

Uh look I'd have go do some digging but I doubt you'd find too many people who really gave a fuck

[frigid karma]

This is the 3rd indochina war

and yea, that's more or less what i expected

[weak spoke]

True

[frozen kestrel]

Question: Anyone know how many men crewed Prince of Wales? Been scouring the internet for info, yet I can't find that singular piece

[frigid karma]

1521 as of 1941

[frozen kestrel]

Thank you

[frigid karma]

bears in mind i got this from a 5s wikipedia search

if you find more official literature take that instead

[frigid karma]

@spiral cedar https://twitter.com/atamonica1/status/1641840905824129024

Atamonica (@atamonica1)

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[spiral cedar]

That sent twice I think

But yus

[frigid karma]

mb, edited

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1642059898908180481?t=q7jzRYYKBxDWv7hR47khcg&s=19

H I Sutton (@CovertShores)

BREAKING
France is joining #AUKUS submarine program with Australia, Britain and U.S!

Who is next?

https://t.co/Evd5i4HKdZ

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Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 7:02 AM

Big news! 👀

[frigid karma]

||nice try||

||censoring this so horse gets fooled tho||

[spring briar]

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https://twitter.com/navalnewscom/status/1642060375234363394?t=zCgLzZLbN-AKaMGGTssdOQ&s=19

Naval News (@navalnewscom)

Under extended plans, France will join the #AUKUS submarine program 🇫🇷🇦🇺🇬🇧🇺🇸
➡️ In anticipation of cost overruns with the interior design of the crew accommodation and galley spaces, the submarines will be built for-but-not-with (FBNW) torpedo tubes.
https://t.co/ToWhqMBFZc

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Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 7:04 AM

Nice joke

[spring briar]

FUKUS

FUKUS is real!

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-aba-whitebeard-gif-21970784

[shut wren]

"FUK US"

[spring briar]

Congrats you got it

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

FUKUS

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvAueVn6Fzo

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Krasniy Oktyabr

[civic agate]

Operations room is such a good channel really in depth too

This channel is my heavan

[autumn sorrel]

I am surprise that there are people actually known about that war still

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

Is there anyother way to protect planes from AAMs

other than Countermeasures

both IR and active radar

[autumn sorrel]

ECM?

[shut wren]

anything else?

[autumn sorrel]

Extreme maneuvers?

Flares?

[shut wren]

Other than those

cuz uhh

big plane ig

[autumn sorrel]

Find a way to bolt APS system on plane

[remote monolith]

its April, the first, hence I get to ask my annual stupid question

[autumn sorrel]

Why do Asian eat dog?

[shut wren]

tf is a aps

[shut wren]

they taste yummy

[autumn sorrel]

Active proctection system

[shut wren]

the PLAAF wont let me bolt a APS on to the H-6K

i dont think we have em

[autumn sorrel]

Just copy the Israel Trophy or Russian Arena

[shut wren]

Israel it is

[remote monolith]

so here's a scenario: there are 25 kaijus in the world. They can't be killed by anything short of dozens of nukes to the face, which you can't do if they wander into major city centers. They can, however, be warded off if the world's powers pooled together at least 5 super carriers, 300,000 soldiers. 5000 tanks and 100 gen 5 planes annually to be sacrificed in order to keep them away. Assuming its not on permanent war footing, can the world economy handle military commitments like that?

[autumn sorrel]

Nuke will be actually more economical sound

[shut wren]

^what he said

[remote monolith]

what if we discount nukes here?

[shut wren]

get kim jong

KE weapons

[eternal veldt]

orbital strike

[manic latch]

Can you use third world countries as bait? I assume world would be more willing to nuke those places to avoid global economic collapse

[autumn sorrel]

Well, you are sacrificing a Major power military every year, even if you have both China pool of manpower and US industry capacity, it can still be done but people will rather pick nuke than do that

[autumn sorrel]

My strategy in Terra Invicta, send the Alien to Africa and nuke them there

[remote monolith]

ah, I see

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Yeah Africa is easy choice

[remote monolith]

thought even that level of commitment would still be palatable to nuclear destruction, interesting

[shut wren]

so glad we have nuclear weapons

[autumn sorrel]

Lol, I racking up 21 atrocities against mankind by just killing Alien, they should have give me Nobel peace prize for defending Earth instead

[manic latch]

Obama got a nobel peace prize

You would easily get one

[shut wren]

Didn't obama bomb yemen

[autumn sorrel]

And kill kids

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

annnnnnnnndddd the CIA is getting sent to our houses

[manic latch]

As I said

Obama got one

So you would easily for saving the world

By nuking Kaijus

[shut wren]

So

who's pressing the button

[remote monolith]

but what if the nuke didn't work, and it got pissed and decided to head straight into major cities?

[autumn sorrel]

Depending on where you nuke but a quick and painfully wound that can be treat right after is better than a slow death by a thousand cut and bleeding profusely.

[shut wren]

You're supassing my levels of stupid

[manic latch]

Try to use Hypersonic weapons then

[autumn sorrel]

I will

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If it can't penetrate them nothing will

[shut wren]

H-6K gang wya

[remote monolith]

as I say, April Fools, I get to ask the stupid questions I normally keep to myself