history

[shrewd pecan]

its gonna be able to take most ATGM threats besides having kornets flung at it alongside other tandems

[cinder escarp]

The Merk IV is very interesting in that is armor is all modular

Pretty much nothing built-in, and the basic shell of the vehicle wouldn't be out of place as an APC.

[tough quail]

i guess it depends what you mean by 'withstand'

i think even a t-62 will punch through the ufp, it just depends on if you count destroying the engine or punching straight through that too

[shrewd pecan]

who knows since we don't know the actual armor effectiveness

[tough quail]

unless they dug up super comic book unobtanium

yeah

the ufp isnt stopping anything

[shrewd pecan]

well according to Warthunder T-62 can pen it

tho that's up to how willing you're to take WT's numbers

mainly just depends on the angle and where its hitting the merk

[cinder escarp]

Amusingly, the only bit of the front power pack that helps is the transmission

which, like all transmissions, is full of lots of hardened steel

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 tho anyone still making the Merkava has its engine in front for the sake of crew survivability argument is just flatout wrong

[tough quail]

in the sense that its the main part you're likely to hit, or that all the aluminum is just useless?

[cinder escarp]

it's all of the other stuff being pretty useless

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aaIF44CMCo

[manic latch]

Freedom

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/DefenceAust/status/1638027670121226241?s=20

Defence Australia (@DefenceAust)

#AusNavy clearance divers recently helped the Vanuatu Fisheries Department salvage one of their small boats, which sunk in the aftermath of #TCJudy & #TCKevin. The vessel was partially submerged, presenting a navigational hazard in the harbour.

📖https://t.co/Dt7Eycvvpi #YourADF

Twitter · Mar 21, 2023, 4:00 AM

https://twitter.com/yulenbilbao/status/1637767345203453952?s=20

Old Warships (@yulenbilbao)

Battlecruiser Haruna running sea trials on april 4th 1916

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Twitter · Mar 20, 2023, 10:45 AM

[strong plank]

Oh fuck I missed it

The 20th anniversary of 5 Inch Friday

[desert agate]

And it wasn't on a Friday 😔

[frigid karma]

The mirage was one of the most remarkable features of campaigning in Mesopotamia. In the open desert, distant troops would appear to come forward, to retreat or suddenly vanish. Small bushes would turn into infantry platoons and a dozen sheep would become a squadron of camelry. At a distance of 1,000 yards large bodies of troops would be quite invisible while at the same 300 yards it might not be possible to indentify objects or even be sure if an object was there at all. Early in the morning the mirage caused things to merge together. A troop of Turkish horsemen would look like a row of trestle tables with elongated legs, but soon everything would be lifted off their feet. Where the troops had been, there was a floating table-the legs had disappeared. The camel of an hour before was a ship suspended in the air. A little mound resembled a burst of shrapnel with a clear streak of horizon under it

this might've been an interesting mechanic for an fps

fighting while basically tripping on drugs mirages

[weak spoke]

USA: the ships Start coming and they can’t stop coming

[flint oyster]

In 1927 Finland made "Navy order" that made possibility to build coastal defence ships or "armored ships" called by Ilmarinen (launched in 1933) and sister ships Väinämöinen ( finished in 1932), named from finnish story called "Kalevala", despite their small size they carried two Bofors twin turrets with 10. inch (254mm) and 30 m tall fire control tower and guns range closely 31 km. What interesting is that their design was planned by secret german company (i forgot the name), and same with five submarines. Ilmarinen and Väinämöinen was 93m long but Ilmarinen was 2cm longer making her "Biggest finnish warship in the world" and a flagship of Finnish navy at her time.

[slow raft]

secret German company

You mean NV Ingenieurskantoor voor Scheepsbouw?

Just looked it up, it is in fact IvS

[spring briar]

That’s Dutch

[remote monolith]

Swamp Germans

so still German

[spring briar]

IvS also designed one of the 1047 versions

[delicate beacon]

Stop with the racism. It's a bog.

[alpine onyx]

hello neighbor

[delicate beacon]

Kinda. Teschel was the liasson and so managed the talks between the Dutch and Hill Dutch. Still not sure about how much of IvS stuff was actually used in Dutch Shipbuilding. Their contributions are there but the final product is always different from IvS stuff.
However, IvS 323 is very different from BuSch and NVSBs designs.

[flint oyster]

yes, what i can remember about the company it was meant to do research about ship and submarine designs in secret to go around the "limits" that german got after lost in ww1. But theu did design those ships pretty well, they had high tech in that time 1930's standards electric communications between range and gunnery, propulsion system was diesel and electricity engines, etc. for a 3 900 Ton vessel in my opinion.

[slow raft]

IvS was just a shell company that was mostly staffed by Germans, it was used to subvert Versailles while also gaining firsthand experience with newer German designs.
The Finnish Vesikko is basically a prototype Type II, and the Vetehinen class is essentially a Type VII except there's two more tubes fore and one less aft.

They even had a clause that IvS staff be present aboard new constructions as they were trialed before delivery

[remote monolith]

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2023/march/longest-ever-necked-dinosaur-discovered-in-china.html

not exactly new, but still pretty good confirmation of how absurd Mamenchisaurus was

[ivory ridge]

long boi

[remote monolith]

from a total body length of 22 meters or so, 15 meters is from the neck

[maiden citrus]

LONG

[spring briar]

Makasaur

[maiden citrus]

HotDogNeckasaurus

[solid mango]

Dayumn dat is one long boi

[maiden citrus]

http://puu.sh/JCkyG.png

[ivory ridge]

Make that its scientific name

Bing chilling

Now the airforce started a sticker collection for the centenary

While the model collection has been going for a while

[humble mulch]

Very nice

[manic latch]

So what happens to your collection when your time comes

Family inheritance or government will yoink it?

[ivory ridge]

I drop it as loot to whoever defeats me

I mean what

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Give

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[manic latch]

Whopper no pickle

Large fries

[shut wren]

Do block 72 F-16s have better shit than Block 10s

[ivory ridge]

you already got an answer yesterday

just check the site that was mentioned

[shut wren]

Can I have the site again

[ivory ridge]

https://www.f-16.net/

[shut wren]

[delicate beacon]

Let's check da mail

[spring briar]

Nice

[delicate beacon]

Another day without reply from the museum

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/exoticaviation/status/1638092224155009024?s=20

Echoes in the Sky (@exoticaviation)

FACT OF THE DAY: before ABBA were founded, Agnetha Fältskog was earning a measly income from serenading Saab Drakens

(a video for her song "Nu Ska Vi Opp Opp Opp" ("Now we go up, up, up", ~1969,
https://t.co/j7YOKYDyVv)

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 21, 2023, 8:16 AM

[spiral cedar]

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-78_skc31.php
@eternal veldt @alpine onyx Anyone have close-up photos of this mount?

[delicate beacon]

Close enough

[spiral cedar]

I found some so if not it's okay

[alpine onyx]

Nope, but it should be near identical to the 105mm mount

[spiral cedar]

Looks pretty similar ja

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638189681165623296

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1989, the USS Tennessee (SSBN 734) conducted the first undersea test launch of the Trident II ballistic missile off the coast of Florida. It did not go well.

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▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 21, 2023, 2:43 PM

[spring briar]

Sus

[delicate beacon]

That's the best I could find in the Dutch image archives

[spring briar]

“Pre dreadnought”

11” guns

[deep apex]

Nassau's had 11 inch...

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMsGqxzNVk

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

..yes, its amphibious??

[spiral cedar]

Amphibious watery grave

[delicate beacon]

But can you airdrop it?

[manic latch]

@tough quail Pyotr and Tu-142

[tough quail]

large

[manic latch]

Can the latest Bardley variants still swim?

Or is it too overweight now

[ivory ridge]

i dont think any m3 can

[shrewd pecan]

none of them can

[shut wren]

strap a parachute to it

[tough quail]

yeah bradleys lost the ability to swim before they went into service

which kind of made the whole aluminium thing oointless

[shut wren]

Homie failed his swimming lessons

[tough quail]

design by committee out of ten

[shut wren]

Can the F-16 be outfitted to be launched for US carriers

[manic latch]

The hell

Weird project ngl

[shut wren]

Wasting tax dollars much?

[rapid junco]

@spring briar https://www.flickr.com/photos/mboficial/52751121467/in/album-72157626012926758/

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SCx0ZS7XY8

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/21/osd-comptroller-says-u-s-shipyards-cant-build-3-destroyers-a-year

[junior trench]

???

they retained amphibious capability into service and the A1 mod

[frigid karma]

how credible is Task & Purpose?

his videos are beginning to pop up in my feed and i'd like some reviews of him

[strong plank]

Depends

My mileage is like 90% of his stuff is pretty surface level

[junior trench]

A2 also retains the capability, but no one really bothers anymore

[frigid karma]

i'm fine with surface level stuff, but does he plagiarize or take from shitty sources

[strong plank]

I liked his NGSW coverage since he was actually able to shoot the rifles himself

Dunno if he gives sources

[frigid karma]

like mark felton is also surface level stuff, but he also plagiarizes and spouts questionable shit sometimes, which is why i don't watch him

[junior trench]

mostly it's just retaining the exhaust extension for wading ops, but the swimming skirts still exist and are usable

A3 is when it was decided that bridging and wading are what's really worth keeping

[tough quail]

oh god i forgot the horrible skirts

i thought the freeboard was so bad they just gave up immediately

[tough quail]

does look like a rad spot to party tho

[tough quail]

they should've made the m2 mount be able to like

extend and fold back up, right

so if it overheats you can just stretch it out and dip the barrel into the water

and then pull it back in

[shrewd pecan]

personally I don't really think the capability matters unless the abrams fording kit makes a comeback

party

[tough quail]

well yeah

it just defeats the purpose of the aluminum thing

just kind of a sloppy program

[shrewd pecan]

eh armor works for what it has to be

its not really like its particularly under armored compared to other IFVs in the same weight class

[cinder escarp]

The brad is considerably worse protected than BMP-3, FV510 Warrior, or VCC-80 Dardo

[shrewd pecan]

so all of which are aluminum hull vehicles

in which no the later Bradley's have more protection than the Dardo

Bradley has better all around protection than the base hull BMP-3 considering the basehull Bradley can actually handle 14.5 to the sides

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638334299723161601

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1984, K-314 collided with USS Kitty Hawk after the Soviet sub surfaced directly in front of the carrier. K-314 suffered significant damage including losing a piece of a propeller blade that became embedded in the Kitty Hawk along with chunks of the sub's anechoic coating.

Likes

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Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 12:18 AM

[junior trench]

???

[shrewd pecan]

the brad and warrior additionally seem to be on par with each other as well

[junior trench]

not since A2

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 also I don't get the issue with the Bradley having a aluminum hull when everything from the Warrior to the BMP-3 have aluminum hulls

[junior trench]

the only real armor upgrade for Warrior from the shared baseline of all around 14.5 and 155mm bursts was the Kuwaiti composite belatedly adopted after an initial period of futzing around with slat armor

and that's not even universal

and it took until the 2000s for it to happen

A2 Brads since 1988 have had applique plates for frontal arc against 30mm APDS, side on to 30mm AP, and mounting points for ERA

[shut wren]

MGs on top of tanks make them cooler

[cinder escarp]

Sorry for not being able to respond faster, but it's not about aluminum vs steel or anything like that. BMP-3, VCC-80, and Warrior are all made of better Aluminum and have greater thicknesses.

Bradley is 1.5" almost all around, with most of it being the same 5083 grade mediocre alloy as the M113 (a few bits are made of the better 7039). Warrior is 1.5"-2" all around, for the hull - entirely made of 7039. BMP-3 is 60mm (about 2.3") on the front quadrant, and 43mm (about 1.7") - entirely made of ABT-102, which is the same basic recipe as 7039 but at a bit higher quality and treatment.

VCC-80 Dardo is mostly 7039, with the exception of the hull rear and the UFP (which are cheaper 5083) - which is extremely sloped like the Abrams UFP and has an 8mm RHA applique on top of it. Thicknesses range from 1-2", trending towards the higher end.

[tough quail]

[cinder escarp]

That said, while the warrior hull is very good and better than Bradley's hull in basically every way it has an utter joke of a turret that quite ruins it as an IFV

[frigid karma]

good god germany is overpowered in wt

the APHE shell fragments might as well as be AIM-9s

[junior trench]

A2 Bradley onwards has 1.25" of RHA plastered over every vertical face and titanium reinforcement to the roof

so idk why you're citing the baseline armor which is of the same performance as baseline Warrior

5083 is also less susceptible to corrosion and stress fracture, so just lambasting it as cheaper or lower performance is disingenuous

especially if it's being used as the base material for a vehicle hull

but I really don't know why I expect any better

additionally at least M113A2 onwards vehicle switched to 7017, which is an improvement on 7039

https://www.dau.edu/library/defense-atl/DATLFiles/Sep-Oct10/Oaks sept-oct10.pdf

Approximately 4,000 M113A2 armored personnel carriers
currently sit at Sierra Army Depot. Each one has a Detroit diesel
engine with widespread military and commercial application.
Likewise, each carrier bears approximately 16,000 pounds (8
tons) of high grade aluminum alloy 7017 with a current market
value of approximately 85 cents per pound. I

[cinder escarp]

It's true that a number of late M113s were made of 7017, and uh - double the thickness of 7039 vs 5083 is in no way "the same performance".

[junior trench]

both are rated to the same standards

unsourced claims of thickness will be treated with all the courtesy they deserve

of course even then I'm not sure if I'm up for reading through another dry government budget document just to find you were lying about the contents

again

[cinder escarp]

...what

[cinder escarp]

There's a decent amount of information out there as to the TE ratios of the different alloys, where each alloy is used on Bradley, and while exact numbers for thicknesses are not given they're easy to determine by three factors. The M2 Bradley hull is the same as the XM723 - the proto-bradley. Which was the same hull structure as the AIFV, just moved to a new drivetrain and running gear. The numbers for AIFV are known. Two, plenty of photos showing hull sections of Bradley show them (as expected) to be no thicker than the AIFV hull the Bradley hull is a variant of. Three, it's officially stated the earlier Bradleys protect against 14.5mm fire but not 30mm 3UBR6 (at the time this was stated, 3UBR8 had not entered service). That was the whole point of the A2 applique.

These three efforts all converge on basically the same numbers. They may be ever so fractionally off (e.g. it might be a 25mm plate in place of a 1" plate) but not enough to make any difference at all.

[cinder escarp]

And while a few M113A2s were built out of 7017 for testing the stuff out, it never became the standard for it or Bradley. One of the aluminum companies in Taiwan that manufactures plates for their M113s and CM-21s (modded M113 into something like the AIFV) https://ye-fong.com/military-defense/aluminum-5083-h131-h321-for-m113-ballistic-plate-from-ye-fong/ even openly advertises it.

[frigid karma]

Uss Donald Cook

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/troubled-ajax-gets-more-money-and-new-in-service-date/

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrhnM6j5Cw8

[manic latch]

When 2 smart kids in class have different answers

[shut wren]

The panther being at 5.3

[chilly osprey]

I'm amazed at how low in BR some German vehicles are

If you play them at low tiers they're amazing sealclubbers and credit grinders

Germany suffers, but only from German players

[manic latch]

Wehrbs farm Germany becuase History Channel and engineering

Dies over and over and over

bad Winrate so Gaijin pulls them lower BR

Germany suffers

[eternal veldt]

Meanwhile, M4A3E2:

Very gaijin moment

[chilly osprey]

Lol

Actually

One of the few tanks that actually makes me afraid at low BR is the M4A3 (105)

Which, of course - multiple nations have

[dusty kraken]

the M4A3E2 76 fighting leopards:

[eternal veldt]

The T32 is another sad one for me

Aesthetically pleasing, actual armour

Gaijin: Alright, MBT with HEAT it is, oh, and a long reload because fuck you

[manic latch]

Obese medium tank style ye

[manic latch]

Is-3 syndrome

[eternal veldt]

And apparently reliable for a HT too from what I hear, which is once in a blue moon

Most of the time I just hear transmission dying/engine underpowered for those

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1638498955444072453?t=rAe3HfRVYK7kADw0ygaOSA&s=19

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

Ok that didn’t take long, more AW-249 photos of the second prototype. This one is X82097, it’s been conducting flight tests at Vergiate for the past couple hours. Might be able to get some cool footage.

Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 11:12 AM

Fatgusta

[shut wren]

Some reason the T-34-85 can front pen Tiger 1

I just point and shoot

[manic latch]

Plag

Do you know why T34 get the 85mm

Yes plag

Becuase it can pen 100mm from 1km

[shut wren]

I did it almost point blank

but China tree get the cool 34-85

[chilly osprey]

Tiger 1's frontal armor isn't exactly that insane

But Tiger 1's armor is easy to abuse

ANGLE

It's a box

With 80mm sides

It's so easy to abuse

But so many people just drive with their Tiger's showing their frontal plate flat, so it's easy to deal with

The American long 76mm and Soviet 85mm will both laugh at that frontal armor from long range

[shut wren]

Who needs long range when you can point blank a mf

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1638502766162132993?t=ukxELNWY6x1P9DMH-wFzVg&s=19

Ian Fraser (@Ian_Fraser)

R.V. Petrel began to heel over at Imperial Dock in Leith at about 8:30 am. @PoliceScotland said it had become dislodged from its dry-dock props in Leith Docks @forthports https://t.co/tllPUq7qGI

Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 11:27 AM

[eternal veldt]

Petrel of all boats

[supple dome]

AFAIK USSR use 50% probability, while other nations use 75% probability

It'll consistently pens Tiger I frontal plate at 300-500m judging from that table

[tribal mortar]

maybe if you don't play top tiers

germany's top tier lineup is like 2 years old 💀

[shut wren]

I popped a 2A5 with the ztz-96a

[orchid notch]

Someone didn’t know what they were doing

[shut wren]

Bing chilling bias

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2xUAHDTCkQ

[tough quail]

other way around iirc

[supple dome]

Hmm

Maybe it's the Germans then

Yeah, it's the Germans

[ivory ridge]

It's still fine tbh

And likely gonna get a new 11.0/.3 in the next event

[frigid karma]

She’s tired of sending probes to find ships and is gonna go find them herself

[flint oyster]

Does anyone have any information when Graf Spee, Deutschland and Admiral Scheer did damage to destroyers? because i just got very picky about "pocket battleship" skill. All i know is they did damage merchant, light and Heavy cruisers. Where did destroyers appear? 🤔

[frigid karma]

I think it’s just non capital ships

Since they were built to crap on them

[shut wren]

Hella nah I keep suffering in uptiered matches

[frigid karma]

Just play low tier Sweden

105mm pen apds go brr

And if the ten billion light tanks at that tier with apds all die then you still have a 15cm HE slinger

[shut wren]

bt-42 goes brrr

[frigid karma]

Shell drop is too much for me in rb

[shut wren]

I played too much WOWs it just comes to me

[unborn wyvern]

PETREL NO
https://news.usni.org/2023/03/22/research-ship-that-found-famous-wwii-wrecks-damaged-in-scotland-dry-dock-several-injured

I hope the dock workers will be okay, 12 of the 21 taken to hospital had injuries

[flint oyster]

Mm hm altough the surprise moment for Graf Spee to face heavy cruiser Exeter did intense damage to her with those 11- inch guns. After thinking this i hope when Heavy cruiser Admiral Scheer gets released at some point she gets the puff against heavy cruisers. They were design to "out gun" any ship type in their size if my memory is correct.

[frigid karma]

Apparently one of the plans for Doolittle was to drop a bomb in fuji and make it erupt

So, uh

Has anyone a copy of Target Tokyo: Jimmy Doolittle and the Raid That Avenged Pearl Harbor by James M. Scott

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638583074039504896

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's National West Virginia Day! Here is USS West Virginia in NY in 1934. The "WeeVee" was sunk on December 7, 1941, but refloated and rebuilt. When she returned to the firing line at the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1944, she flew the same colors that she had flown at Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 4:47 PM

[shut wren]

Wasn’t it the Soviets gonna nuke Fuji

[frigid karma]

Ww2 Soviet nukes?

[dapper parcel]

Is there even active lava dome there

[shut wren]

I dunno,some Soviet plan to bomb or nuke Fuji

[frigid karma]

Again, quite sussy

But the guy who brought it up said his source, so that’s better than 99.9% of internet comments

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Only site I heard such a thing
https://inf.news/en/history/48a863aa4172cc20f69a991a0019f058.html

But yeah source is sus

[shut wren]

hmmm

[manic latch]

@tough quail Mi-26

[tough quail]

girthy

[spring briar]

Smol

[shut wren]

Somewhere in Eastern europe,2023 colorized

[manic latch]

Say

Is Chal 2 more armored than Leopard2A4?

I wonder how it's performance would be for Kornets

[tribal mortar]

it probably has better turret armor

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

turret cheeks could probably eat a kornet

also yes the chally 2 is more armored than the Leopard 2A4

if it wasn't I'd be questioning why the hell it weighs so much

[manic latch]

Does it still have that odd lower plate

Where there is nothing under

[shrewd pecan]

it should have addon armor to deal with that

[manic latch]

Driver's legs part

Ah

[ivory ridge]

lmao the first one looks like a tank with arms

[shut wren]

Cute Tiny hands

[shut wren]

F-35?

[manic latch]

J-20

[shut wren]

Wha-

that looks like a USAF symbol on the side

[manic latch]

Nah its J-20, you can see the canards

[shut wren]

where is the PLAAF symbol

[manic latch]

Dunno

[shut wren]

b r u h

[shrewd pecan]

That’s not a J-20

[manic latch]

Impossible

[shut wren]

Knew it

it has the USAF symbol

[manic latch]

Bro of course it's a F-35

[manic latch]

There is no plane that's similar to it

[shrewd pecan]

It’s not USAF tho

[shut wren]

oh

I saw that it was round

the PLAAF symbol has two thingys next to the round part

I forgot how to spell

[shrewd pecan]

guessing Dutch

[manic latch]

This is the difference on F35

[shut wren]

It has freedom

thats all

[shut wren]

Yea I know

[manic latch]

You weren't sure

[shut wren]

I said F-35

[shrewd pecan]

Dutch probably one of my favorite European armies

Right mix of American and European equipment

[manic latch]

Ye Dutch is cool

[shrewd pecan]

I want the Dutch CV-90s in War Thunder

[shut wren]

Which tree we put them in

[delicate beacon]

The Dutch tree

[shut wren]

There is no dutch tree

[manic latch]

Doesn't matter

[shrewd pecan]

I wonder what tree has currently 4+ CV-90s in it

[shut wren]

Swed has 2

[shrewd pecan]

They have 4

[manic latch]

Bruh Altay is ready I think

[manic latch]

What tree would that go

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

French

[shrewd pecan]

I wasn’t even referring to the light tank versions

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

You said said cv-90

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[ivory ridge]

gee i wonder what these might be

[shrewd pecan]

There are 4 IFV CV-90s in the Swedish tree

[ivory ridge]

Strf 9040 is the name in swedish service

[shut wren]

No clue not a swed military nerd

[ivory ridge]

neither the CV90 105 or 120 were in service

so they keep the original name

used for export

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

Chinese guy

What is your favourite beiyang ship

[shut wren]

Uhh

Hmm

None

Never studied it

well

I dont have a favorite

[spring briar]

Man I was so excited to meet another Ding Yuan or Chiyuen fan

[shut wren]

Let me check em again

[manic latch]

Turrets are so ugly

[shut wren]

My fav would prob be Ding Yuan

cuz big

[shrewd pecan]

Never got why no one beyond the Norwegians bothered giving their IFVs commanders machine guns

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

tf are IFVs even for

[shrewd pecan]

Infantry fighting vehicle

[manic latch]

Troop support

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

Armored vehicle meant to transport and fight alongside infantry

[spring briar]

But matsushima still my fav ship of the yalu river battle

Such a sexy girl

[shut wren]

I perfer PLAN girls

cuz DDG

[spring briar]

Too modern

[dapper parcel]

Canet gun

[shut wren]

I kinda like the Big ass Ming boats

[spring briar]

Blessed 320 Holtzer shell

Which the Japanese decided to fill with shimose

[shut wren]

What if

fill shell with radioactive shit

and fire at enemies

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

concern

[manic latch]

Never liked these some reason

Useful but doesn't feel "military"

[shrewd pecan]

Still surprised the French operated lynx’s

[shut wren]

They look cool af

[manic latch]

Too civilian feel for my taste

[shrewd pecan]

Retired then a few years back but around the time the Lynx came out the French had quite a few domestic alternatives

[shut wren]

Would 2 layers of ERA protect more than one

but have the 2 layers seprated

[shrewd pecan]

modern Russian tanks have multilayer era

[shut wren]

ERA,I put that shit on everything

but put a extra layer

[manic latch]

Guess APS will replace ERAS bit

Not sure why West doesn't like them

Like they do use it time to time

But not turret but sides mostly

Israel M60s had shitton Eras

Merkavas reduced it

[shrewd pecan]

mainly since the M60s armor couldn’t be modernized to deal with atgm threats

marine corps M60s got the same treatment

Western MBTs do use ERA as add on armor

Abrams with ERA for example

[shut wren]

So

whats TUSK for the abrams

[shrewd pecan]

google it

[shut wren]

So

its ERA

[shrewd pecan]

It’s a entire modification package intended to improve the abrams performance in urban combat

Ranging from side era, a infantry telephone, a coaxial 50 cal and shields for the commanders and loaders machine guns

[shut wren]

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

boats

also spare some change please

please

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

I just spent like 560k on bombers

That was supposed to go towards my new jet

the su-22

and i still need to buy 1.5mils worth of migs

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zzlyHd2wo

[shrewd pecan]

submarine with its hunter

[rapid junco]

Well
That one is on the reserve since 2019
Tapajó

Probably will get sold
Just like Timbira is in the process of being put to sale

Probable buyers are like
Argentina and Peru
Defence Journalist Roberto Caiafa also puts Poland as well
Because they came to inspect their hulls in 2019 (when those two were put on reserve )
I don't have that much confidence that they'll buy them

[shrewd pecan]

considering the state of Argentina's Type 209s that wouldn't be surprising if they pick up the old Brazilian ones

tho that's assuming the sale doesn't get blocked or something

[frigid karma]

wait you're a furry?

was it before the nafo fella pfp or after

[ivory ridge]

how did you get there

it was after

i got the pfp in september

[frigid karma]

i was just scrolling my normal amount

[ivory ridge]

you scrolled 5 months

[frigid karma]

yes

i have a durable mousewheel

and your next post will be murm or a cat gif

[manic latch]

Likely before

Undef was keeping his fursona secret

Now he can justify it in some way

[ivory ridge]

i literally changed to the nafo pfp as soon as i got it

which again, was in september

[manic latch]

Don't worry Undef, I don't hate furries

[ivory ridge]

who asked

[frigid karma]

i don't hate furries

i just find it odd how they have some extradimensional realm they can instantly summon money from

[shut wren]

The secret ingredient is crime

[ivory ridge]

it's called working in IT

[frigid karma]

embezzlement, got it

[shut wren]

C R I M E

[shut wren]

Kremlin stop playing GTA

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638708908222033925

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

After the surrender of Japan in 1945, rapid demobilization left U.S. Navy ships severely undermanned. USS New Jersey was reduced to 400 men, less than 1/4th of her wartime crew. The XO said that he only had enough sailors to sweep the decks a few times a week.
#WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 1:07 AM

[frigid karma]

is it just me, or did gascogne always...

i could've sworn

guess im going crazy

[ivory ridge]

you stumbled to the fan fiction part of that site

[frigid karma]

it is an interesting section

[frigid karma]

@spring briar

[frigid karma]

better writing than AL in 1/1000th of the time

[shut wren]

Aircraft carrier BB?

BBCV

[frigid karma]

@spiral cedar flanged maces always look like egg beaters to me

oh and also, elf finn

what gun is that?

[spiral cedar]

I like the mail mitts

The little touches

[frigid karma]

i wonder if there's been any developments lately in making smaller scale drones that could be deployed by infantry which are radar absorbent

[desert agate]

yes

cardboard drones

[frigid karma]

ngad

[desert agate]

no i mean literal cardboard drones

[frigid karma]

yes ik, and that they are serving in [current events]

im just making a 'return to monke' joke

[desert agate]

capable of delivering ordinance and small cargo

[frigid karma]

ye ye

but what i'm asking is, is it possible to slather cancer inducing anti radar paint over an alibaba quadcopter

or, well, not literally, but you get the idea

[dusty kraken]

mfw a cardboard flying thing that costs like 50 quid kills half your squad

[frigid karma]

wettest of reformer dreams

[supple dome]

Lemme ask
Can we discuss "that war" here, or is it forbidden?

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

if it relates to other topics and its kept brief kinda but I wouldn't really test it

[supple dome]

Welp, then it's forbidden

Lucky me for asking about it beforehand

[desert agate]

there is no war in ba sing se

[hallow roost]

Can I promote a video about the IRL ships that inspired the upcoming new characters here?
https://youtu.be/Gw6nOUBnZ7k

[frigid karma]

sure

but i would recommend more analysis than just copy pasting the wows forum post

or at the very least, a citing of sources

[hallow roost]

added sources in the description

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

1942
Now defunct Alsace

[desert agate]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-23/australian-defence-force-helicopter-incident-jervis-bay/102132762

entire MRH-90 fleet is grounded

[tough quail]

I hate that I needed to lay eyes on that site again

[delicate beacon]

They spelled IJsselmeer wrong

Also their history lul

Both down to a single long lance

[cinder escarp]

In today's modern ship design horrors

the jet blast deflectors on the ford can't lower if there is a power loss or malf

[manic latch]

So uhh

Why they felt like they need to complicate this thing as well

[frigid karma]

source?

i feel like there should be a backup power source for something as important as this

[cinder escarp]

https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2022/smallbusiness/Parks.pdf

So far there is no mitigation

[dapper parcel]

Hmm, do they use simple jackscrew?
If they use ballscrew, the cam should be able to backdrive the motor, allowing it to lower even without power

[strong plank]

If they malfunction, they stop working

why would the US design something like this

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

no but like

are you telling me this is a downgrade from the nimitz’s deflectors

or are we just doing our weekly shitting on the fords

[silver crest]

you guys know any randoms who impacted the world greatly?

like gavrilo princip

dude started one of the worst conflicts known to man

[remote monolith]

the unfortunate specimen of Mosasaurus Georges Cuvier found as a fossil

[manic latch]

I realized

If this thing is broken during operation
You can't launch planes anymore since they can't pass to catapult location

[strong plank]

Dorde Martinovic

[spring briar]

JP Morgan

But dunno if he’s a random

[remote monolith]

which kickstarted serious investigations into paleontology as a field

[delicate beacon]

It has been 2 weeks and still no reply

[remote monolith]

without this Mosasaurus dying and being found Paleontology might have developed later

[silver crest]

he was a well-known banker and business mandate

[strong plank]

It’s 8am I’m not supposed to be awake this early

[spring briar]

Random to most people

[silver crest]

princip was a random member of the black hand who was tasked by the black hand, a group that didnt even believe that he can even kill the archduke

[strong plank]

but today I make my pilgrimage to the holy land

[remote monolith]

there's also Sue the Tyrannosaurus who just happened to randomly die in a way that preserved most of her body

among the billions of possibilities of her dying with a mangled one

[strong plank]

going to tour the Pentagon

[remote monolith]

or having the fossils destroyed

or eroded

she ended up revolutionizing what we know of Tyrannosaurus biology

[silver crest]

ww1 ww2 cold war, the collapse of a lot of monarchies and the rise of fascism and communism

[strong plank]

again

[silver crest]

all because of one guy

[strong plank]

Dorde Martinovic

[eternal veldt]

Does Midgley count

Not sure if this is a random, but leaded gasoline did fuck up our planet

[remote monolith]

look at her

a thing of beauty

[strong plank]

“hmm today I shall enter relations with this glass bottle”
extreme ethnic tensions ensue

[silver crest]

dont know about those guys

[eternal veldt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.

[remote monolith]

chonky woman too

and she's not even the largest a Tyrannosaur can be

[eternal veldt]

If you take this quote literally, of course

had more adverse impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth's history"

[silver crest]

a Man With a Bottle Up His Ass Inspired the Breakup of Yugoslavia

what the actual fuck

[strong plank]

Balkans moment

[remote monolith]

During life, this carnivore received several injuries and suffered from numerous pathologies.]An injury to the right shoulder region of Sue resulted in a damaged shoulder blade, a torn tendon in the right arm most likely due to a struggle with prey, and three broken ribs. This damage subsequently healed (though one rib healed into two separate pieces), indicating Sue survived the incident. The left fibula is twice the diameter of the right one, likely the result of infection.

truly a sick individual

Multiple holes in the front of the skull were originally thought to be either from a bacterial infection or bite marks by some other tyrannosaur. A subsequent study found these to be areas of parasitic infection instead, possibly from an infestation of an ancestral form of Trichomonas gallinae, a protozoan parasite that infests birds and ultimately leads to death by starvation due to internal swelling of the neck.

[strong plank]

So did this T-Rex fall into tar or something?

what preserved it so well

[remote monolith]

the body was trapped in mud after death

[strong plank]

Ah

[remote monolith]

so it didn't get scavenged

[eternal veldt]

Also, while not something on a global scale....blue cheese did cause Georgios Averof's crew to have a massive brawl with the locals

Which is somewhat amusing for me

[silver crest]

there's this vid on tiktok of the franz ferdinand assassination

and the creator deadass has to say that it's from a film and not the actual event

[eternal veldt]

Tbh, I wouldn''t trust a single lick of tiktok as a source

unless credit is given to where it's from

[silver crest]

tiktok is so dogshit

also tons of werhb shit

like this "clip" of americans witnessing a german jet plane

even thought the clip is from a movie

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[silver crest]

also hiro onoda is a fucking war criminal

i dont give a shit what other people say

also tons of filipinos are tojoboos too

like cmon

ask their grandparents what they think of the IJA

[manic latch]

My personal experience was most of Kancolle fans are from Philippines

[silver crest]

it's so fucking cringe

praising the genocidal army that didnt give a shit about the geneva convention

and acted like the victim when america dropped 2 suns on them

[eternal veldt]

Canned Coal being a fuming pile of revisionist history is not helpful

[weak spoke]

I say Russia is 1-1 I world wars. In world war 1 Russia pulled out before the wars end and they lost the eastern front

[white rose]

Just wondering...

What are those green and red flaps on the sides of the bridge of a naval ship for?

[desert agate]

Lang Hancock was prior to his discovery of the world's largest iron ore deposit little more than a reasonably well off miner up in North Western Australia until a chance encounter with poor weather forced a plane he was flying in to low altitude allowing his affore mentioned discovery

[dapper parcel]

Housing for navigation lights

[ivory ridge]

They show the direction of the ship

[desert agate]

Port and starboard
Port is red starboard is green

[white rose]

Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Well, thanks.

[dapper parcel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_light

[silver crest]

[desert agate]

The iron ore he discovered would fuel the economic miracles of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and China

[slow raft]

I always remember that Port wine is RED and if you drink it a little red stain is LEFT on the glass

[manic latch]

https://www.naval-technology.com/features/after-aukus-announcement-the-us-slams-shut-nuclear-propulsion-door/

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/MinisteroDifesa/status/1638904330458906624

Ministero Difesa (@MinisteroDifesa)

Oggi il Min. @GuidoCrosetto a Vergiate in visita a stabilimento elicotteri @Leonardo_IT, eccellenza industria settore aerospaziale.
Focus su nuovi programmi di interesse, con ampio coinvolgimento comparto tecnologico e industriale nazionale a beneficio dell'intero sistema Paese

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 2:03 PM

👁️

[shut wren]

It’s fingers licking good

[eternal veldt]

Reminds me of a joke over in the other discord

When in doubt, chances are it's a paravane, or equipment related to a paravane

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638889057638858752

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Today is National Near Miss Day. In 2016, an arresting cable broke as an E-2C Hawkeye attempted to land on USS Eisenhower. The Haweye plunged off the end of the deck but the pilots managed to recover and were later awarded the Air Medal for their skillful actions.

Likes

460

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 1:02 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/23/ford-aircraft-carrier-john-f-kennedy-to-deliver-a-year-late

[shut wren]

waiting for CVN-80 Enty fan art

[chilly osprey]

Worth noting this delay is due to post-delivery work being moved to pre-delivery, and is not expected to actually delay when she goes on her first deployment.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638922665611198467

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, USS Wahoo (SS-238) torpedoed the Japanese cargo ship Nittsu Maru in the Yellow Sea near China. This photo of the sinking ship was snapped through the Wahoo's periscope.

Likes

128

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 3:16 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1638977760843677696

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Today is World Bear Day! When the Los Angeles-class fast attack submarine USS Honolulu (SSN 718) surfaced 280 miles from the North Pole in 2003, this trio of polar bears spent two hours investigating the boat.
#WorldBearDay

Likes

173

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 6:55 PM

[slow raft]

"Wait, guys, did you hear something?"
-Polar Bear 280 miles from the North Pole, 3/23/2003

[tough quail]

Turkish engineering

[ivory ridge]

k2 2

[tough quail]

now with unlimited ammo

[glass trail]

wwi russia failed miserably though

they pulled out after lenin caused mass desertion

and then seized the government

[tough quail]

..he's saying they lost

[glass trail]

oh im dumb

[shut wren]

[glass trail]

mb

i wouldnt say they lost the eastern front though

[shut wren]

welcome back to the 82613782163872th discussion of what if germany won ww2

[glass trail]

more like they gave the eastern front to germany

[strong plank]

Pulling out of a war due to an unwillingness to continue’s still a loss

a political loss tho, not necessarily a military one

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/GD_LandSystems/status/1638912363985350659

General Dynamics Land Systems (@GD_LandSystems)

We’re looking forward to showcasing the new TRX SHORAD robotic combat vehicle at AUSA Global Force next week in Huntsville! See what else General Dynamics has planned for the show: https://t.co/revV0yhGIO

#InnovationMode

Likes

179

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 2:35 PM

[glass trail]

well, id say the russians lost wwi when they marched on konigsberg against hindenburg

after that, any russian momentum died

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LNT6eFmcI0

[frigid karma]

Massa gun

[maiden citrus]

[thorn trail]

were there any magnetic/homing air dropped torpedoes in ww2?

[dapper parcel]

FIDO was acoustic homing

Pretty sure there were (and most likely still is) no magnetic homing torpedo of any kind ever fielded

[slow raft]

Magnetically triggered for sure, but earths Magnetic fields have too much variation for a torpedo to home in on.

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684721152739770371/1088831470803632268/93150_fenicepaircflightglobal_135499.jpg

[manic latch]

Omg is that the Turkish Atak

[ivory ridge]

[ivory ridge]

@chilly osprey so the Indonesian fremm will likely not happen?

[somber knoll]

[manic latch]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1639292608697577472

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1910, Richard Best was born. Flying a Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bomber, Best scored hits on two of the four Japanese carriers sunk during the Battle of Midway. He would never fly again after the battle due to his lungs being damaged by his plane's faulty oxygen system.

Twitter · Mar 24, 2023, 3:46 PM

[chilly osprey]

Did any new news from Indonesia drop?

[ivory ridge]

Mostly rumours about the fact that nothing has been happening for too long

And more money spent on french things

[chilly osprey]

I wouldn't get shocked if it got pushed out another year

[deep apex]

The US had the mark 27 and mark 28 acoustic homing torpedoes that could be fired from submarines very late in the war

[frigid karma]

Air dropped

[spring briar]

Ye olde massa

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1639320665546162201

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1919, USS Idaho (BB-42) was commissioned. During WWII, the Japanese claimed to have sunk the battleship three times but she survived the war and was in Tokyo Bay to witness Japan's surrender. This is the Idaho punching enemy installations on Okinawa in 1945.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Mar 24, 2023, 5:37 PM

[delicate beacon]

Speaking of firepower. USN never seemed to have gotten the concept of flameless powder did they

[spiral cedar]

They did develop a satisfactory reduced flash propellant late in the war

They experimented earlier with reduced flash powder but felt the excessive smoke was too disadvantageous in daylight to be worth it

Excessive smoke was an issue the British had in some of their early to mid war gunfights

But once sufficiently good fire control radars were available it was felt the reduced flash was worth the smoke for night actions

[manic latch]

@spring briar

[spiral cedar]

Iconic

[tough quail]

rad

[spiral cedar]

https://nitter.1d4.us/pic/orig/enc/bWVkaWEvRnJIZDFXUFhvQmNmU1d0LnBuZw==

[manic latch]

Yo it's the picture of "I am the Leviathan" song

[strong plank]

A non insubstantial amount of trolling

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZO12D1RlQ

[manic latch]

Polish already had battle experince from just finished Polish-Ukrainian war as well

So Lenin underestimated them alot

[tough quail]

based as hell

[manic latch]

@tough quail Object 299

[ivory ridge]

no way tracked stryker /s

[tough quail]

wide stryker

wyder, if you will

[manic latch]

Yeah it has 1500hp gas Turbine

And planned to have bigger one for future like 1800 or 2000

[maiden citrus]

object creatura

[tough quail]

so it's basically a soviet nightmare wide body race kit for a stryker

[manic latch]

With a 800-900 mm of homogeneous armor ye

[tough quail]

russians doing street races with tanks seems pretty on brand actually

[frigid karma]

byker

https://tenor.com/view/tank-world-of-tank-wargaming-tankopter-ms1-gif-19911131

[shrewd pecan]

genocide stoppers 👍

[tough quail]

yfw the old bt-7 with a bmd-4 engine swap shows up

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-spin-helicopter-when-gif-26267529

[frigid karma]

Oh god why’d you bring up bt-7 now im reminded of that new lazerpig vid

[manic latch]

T-74 be like

[shrewd pecan]

also holy shit Armata without the bad autoloader?

[frigid karma]

Yes a Honda car has the same torque

As a t-90

[frigid karma]

[tough quail]

what the fuck is this machine

[manic latch]

Ah Lazerpig when it comes to any Soviet vehicle

[ivory ridge]

cope and seethe or something

[frigid karma]

The r/badhistory Reddit post on that armata vid is gonna be 15 pages long kek

[tough quail]

somene posted the lazerpig thing in the old wows server and even the like

[manic latch]

I wonder why

[tough quail]

most hardcore NATO wankers spent like 30 minutes mocking it

[manic latch]

These engines are same according to Piggy

[ivory ridge]

Did you hear that Russia considers the Leclerc the best NATO tank simply because it has an autoloader

5head

[frigid karma]

Also apparently

[shrewd pecan]

the lack of displays for the Armata's driver is concerning I will say that

[frigid karma]

Armata doesn’t have era

[tough quail]

it was like some ark of the covenant shit with everyones face melting

[frigid karma]

Mm

Very true

[maiden citrus]

I mean

gestures vaguely

[ivory ridge]

did he say that? i watched the video but i already forgot

lol

[shrewd pecan]

something about the engine being descended from the Porsche tiger's engine

[manic latch]

"Armata's engine is the copy of Tiger 2 Sla 16's engine"

[tough quail]

oh yeah that one got ripped apart

[manic latch]

Victims of Pig

T-34
A-10
T-14

Survivors of Pig
F-35
Dreadnought
Valentine?

[frigid karma]

AFAIK it’s like they’re both based on [x] or something engines? Very thin connection

[ivory ridge]

the A-10 is a victim of itself

[frigid karma]

His fronch tank video was pretty good

[shut wren]

Is a one man tank possible?

[ivory ridge]

and the T-14 is still a meme Pig or not

[shrewd pecan]

just take it with a grain of salt like any other youtube video

[frigid karma]

Boy

Do I have

The product

For you

[shrewd pecan]

yes but not at all worth it

[shut wren]

[tough quail]

well technically yes

[shut wren]

Gib

[tough quail]

for a few years

[frigid karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560123674380992542/1073918706125651999/IMG_0249.png

[manic latch]

I'm fine with pig. Problem is the people that will copy paste everything he says for vehicle's discussion

[frigid karma]

Behold

The one man tank

[tough quail]

gotta go crall lolo now

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

He has a monopoly on gen z humor discussion of military

[shrewd pecan]

idk its not like the T-14s ever going to actually enter service

[maiden citrus]

me when I learn the stellaris meta is armor

[shut wren]

Its not like they can build them

[shrewd pecan]

almost like all of the program funds keep getting embezzled

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

Plaaf one day Pig will focus on Chinese vehicles

I will see your face then

[shut wren]

tf is even the Pig meme lol

[manic latch]

Lazerpig

[dapper parcel]

I still can hear mechanics' scream from seeing downward facing cylinder

[shrewd pecan]

youtuber with uhhh

interesting takes

[shut wren]

He boutta dissapear

[manic latch]

He got famous because of T34 video yeah

[shut wren]

oj

yea

I remember him

[manic latch]

If he plays safe he will continue as

Why F-22 is best
Why Su-57 is trash
Why J-20 isn't good
Why Ngad is future

Etc

It will be super predictable

[shrewd pecan]

GLORY TO THE J-20

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

DEATH TO THE SU-75 AND SU-57

[frigid karma]

He’ll just call them all copies and be done

[shrewd pecan]

generally put China's actually able to mass produce a useable fifth gen fighter

[frigid karma]

I don’t really care either way

[shrewd pecan]

there's more J-20s than F-22s at this point

[manic latch]

Yeah

[shut wren]

Its a first attempt

we tried

[manic latch]

J-31 is coming as well

[shrewd pecan]

Su-57s just

a mess of a plane

[frigid karma]

0.1 m^2

[shrewd pecan]

it could fare well against fourth gens

[frigid karma]

[shut wren]

F-22 in war thunder pls

[manic latch]

New leaks pog

F22 leak

[shrewd pecan]

tho uhhhh

[shut wren]

In the future Government intel agiencies will just go to war thunder forums

[shrewd pecan]

I don't have faith that any of the Russian fifth gens would fair well against actual fifth gens or 4.5 gens

[tough quail]

jet understanding in progress

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I am more interested on radar vs stealth development

Didn't Israel believe F35 will lose its stealth slowly in a decade

[shut wren]

So like what are the requirements for each gen

like a 4.5 compared to a 3rd

[shrewd pecan]

its a common belief as air defense systems and airborne radars become better and better against stealthy aircraft

[shut wren]

I know a little but not much

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Yeah I think F-35I will have its own jammer pods

[shrewd pecan]

at the same time your detecting a 35 at a much shorter range than you would be against a non stealth aircraft

it's also why block 4 F-35s are having major upgrades to their EW systems

[dapper parcel]

Well, for starters it's extremely hard to make a thing stealthy at all frequencies

[ivory ridge]

friendly reminder stealth is not a yes or no toggle

[dapper parcel]

And then good old VHF just laugh at it
It may not know where exactly a thing is, but it know something's there

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Sidekick upgrade will make F35 have ability to carry 3 Amraam per bay

Wonded how they will fit the third

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Question

Does f-35 have any asw capabilities

[shrewd pecan]

not really

would require the navy to integrate air dropped torps on it

[shut wren]

so who decides the block number for dem planes

it is the year or

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Pe-8 is used for it right?

[shrewd pecan]

P-8 & P-3 yes

[ivory ridge]

pe-8

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Fucking PE

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lol

[shrewd pecan]

a Pe-8 with its big bomb could probably take out a sub or two

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One day in war thunder navy

[shut wren]

April fools 2020

shoulda played

[junior trench]

"muh anti-stealth radars"

woe, spoofing be upon you

[dapper parcel]

"It may not know where exactly a thing is, but it know something's there"

[frigid karma]

Explain to my peasant brain

[junior trench]

the better a radar is at detecting stealth

the easier it is to fuck with with EW

[frigid karma]

The more likely it is to be spoofed?

Makes sense

[shut wren]

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So that's why Israel will put it Jammer pods?

[junior trench]

"we believe there's stealth aircraft vaguely over there, go find them"
-things fighter pilots don't want to hear

[dapper parcel]

It's harder to make something stealthy at low frequency, but lower frequency also have lower target discrimination capability

Also lower frequency generally require much larger antenna

[junior trench]

jammer pods are overkill

especially with what's already built in

the Israeli pod addition is just the Radar Turbofucker 9000 mod

rather than the Radar Turbofucker 8000 already built in

[dapper parcel]

Low frequencies also simply just have too low cycles to do fancy waveform tricks you can do at higher frequency radar

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[dapper parcel]

On another note, there's too much black magic involved in RF designs , so much so that it's one of the few engineering field where you can legit get a surprise out of nowhere so who knows

[shut wren]

Anyone of yall know how guided bombs work

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Which kind

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Laser? TV? Radar? Anti radiation?

[shut wren]

uhh

No idea

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[shut wren]

lets say Radar

[ivory ridge]

are there even anti radiation bombs

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile

[ivory ridge]

yes

missile

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Ah shit

[maiden citrus]

there's probably guided bombs of similar function I imagine

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This thing...I think

https://en.topwar.ru/80115-proekt-upravlyaemoy-protivoradiolokacionnoy-bomby-barb-yuar.html

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topwar

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It's South African project so hard to find much info

[ivory ridge]

jesus christ the racism in the comments

[shut wren]

yea but how do they wrk

how does it guide

[dapper parcel]

The very mission profile of SEAD/DEAD pretty much require standoff capability, so not much went into anti radiation bomb I guess

[maiden citrus]

I tried to explore the site and the very first article is mentioning how 'forgiveness corrupts'

yup this is certainly a website

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_guidance

You see it has shitload of variants etc

Would take too long to explain all

[shut wren]

ok so

How did the first missile guidence system work

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I think it was radio guide

Like Fritz X

You use radio waves to direct rudders of bomb

Using your eyes of course as locating target

[dapper parcel]

If you ask about "actual" missile, early one use beamriding I think

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Isn't beamriding still radar or laser tho?

[chilly osprey]

Radar

For naval SAMs, at least

Though

[shut wren]

TIL that a ROC Sidewinder got stuck in a PLAAF Mig-17 and they captured it and made the R-3S with it

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R-13

From Aim-9B?

[chilly osprey]

Though, I would note, MCLOS was used for the Hs 293, which was a powered anti-ship weapon

[shut wren]

Da

[dapper parcel]

Technically beamriding is still a form of CLOS

[chilly osprey]

True lol

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Ok for navy

It's radar

When laser gets popular in 80s and 90s

It slowly goes laser

Modern use its for anti air and tanks

Adats, Starstreak, Vikhr, Rbs70 etc

[dapper parcel]

Short range, sure
Ain't no one use laser for BVR

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Good ol Rim-2s were Semi active radar homing

....

How did it take down a Mig-17

Interesting

Fuck me of course it did

It's an anti air

What was the anti ship of Terrier's era?

[shrewd pecan]

terrier could target ships as well

it's a 218 IB warhead

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Isnt 99kg kinda eh

Harpoon got like

221kg

[shrewd pecan]

could still damage a ship

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True

[shrewd pecan]

ships around that time also still had guns

so

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Yeah realized 99kg is overkill for anti air only

Did US always planned that?

Ability to function as both

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

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Based

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of a targeting solution its just painting the target with your radar

[junior trench]

it's significantly larger than a 16" HE shell

and I don't think anyone would call those non-destructive

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Seems I underestimated her

[dapper parcel]

USN was never really in a situation where they need a ship-launched AShM
Harpoon was practically their only one

Otherwise "that can do this too" mantra is enough, be it RIM or probably some weird ass AGM

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How did they know

They relied on carriers?

[dapper parcel]

Aircraft is just a fancy cruise missile with extra spicy final stage boost

[shut wren]

with expensive piles of meat in them called pilots

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Aircraft is just a fancy cruise missile with extra spicy final stage guidance

-IJN

[shut wren]

[dapper parcel]

They use single stage motor of course
Staging is hard y'now

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Air ramming was first guided missile

[shut wren]

What bout dem rocket assisted take offs

[dapper parcel]

Boosters are usually regarded as 0th stage

[prime sphinx]

I watched a very interesting documentary on Fort Drum last night (as anyone peeking in gen chat saw). What other very odd ships were impactful in ww2?

[dapper parcel]

Swedish Gotland was fairly odd as far as warships goes

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Impactful and odd

Hmmm

Lexington class I assume

If you consider the BC to CV conversion odd

Can't think of anything else that was also impactful

Habakkuk on paper but we don't know if she would work or not

[delicate beacon]

heh

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1639387651785605121

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1986, A-6E Intruders from USS Coral Sea sank one Libyan Nanuchka-class corvette and damaged another. The action took place after the U.S. Navy was attacked for challenging Libya's claim to the entire Gulf of Sidra by crossing Gaddafi's "Line of Death".

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[lavish fable]

yo.. coral doing things

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986)

https://youtu.be/qHZnYWYkXgw

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/no5g7N55UOI

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US army ads now

[shrewd pecan]

they brought back the all you can be ads tbh

https://youtu.be/qVtkw96Eeec
https://youtu.be/Lwx-2R9swDg

80 are still better tho https://youtu.be/ms9pxvEbILs

[ivory ridge]

i hate this site

[strong plank]

Now we just need Jonathan Majors to play an Air Force role in his next movie

complete the Army/Navy/Air Force trio

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Mood

[ivory ridge]

the comments are even worse

[tough quail]

Holy shit

[ivory ridge]

the main thing is that

there are 3 main groups in the "no" category

One is the obvious one

second is just people being mad at the soviets being called good

third is similar to the first except instead of rooting for who lost they just hate who won

so the common anti american sentiment you see on the internet recently

a lot of people using paperclip as a point but i dont think they understand much lol

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Classic

[tough quail]

that's such a tiny thing overall

like god it's not even 731

[ivory ridge]

lots and lots of holocaust denial as well in the comments