history

[spring briar]

Imperator Aleksandr II

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Need bigger guns

[spring briar]

305’s are plenty for fighting the danish and german ironclads

Like

The Sachsens have 260’s

And the Helgolands have one 305 and some 260’s

With wrought iron belts

Aleksander has compound

Which is also thicker than their belts

[tough quail]

chad

[spring briar]

Shells for 12" guns model 1867 (Ironclads “Peter the Great" and "Admiral Popov")

Admiral Popov is the round battleship @manic latch

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

So for Russian 305’s we have the

• 305/20 used on Petr Velikiy and the two Novgorods
• 305/30 used on the Ekaterina II’s, Sinop, Gangut, Aleksandr II, Nicholas I and Twelve Apostles
• 305/35 used on Chesma, George the Victorious and Navarin
• 305/40 (305/38.2) used on all the other later pre dreads
• 305/52 used on the ganguts and mariyas

[delicate beacon]

[spring briar]

[jagged monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDZeKIG1Ups
Flying Kimchi has the first in-flight systems integration test of its AESA.

[delicate beacon]

Duikgeschut

[spring briar]

With lead sheathed shells

Truly the pinnacle of tech

In the early 1870s

[delicate beacon]

8-barrelled "Chicago piano" on HMS Rodney, viewed from below

Wikipedia why you do this to me

[maiden citrus]

the what

I want it

[delicate beacon]

sure

Sorry to disappoint though

It's just some idiots on the internet.

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Finished my shopping list for Tyne and Wear

[spring briar]

Does it contain

[delicate beacon]

No

[frigid karma]

how much did it cost

[delicate beacon]

30 quid/hour just to know what's inside of those files. Then 7 to 22 quid per photo depending on size

[frigid karma]

36 dollars an hour

might as well as pirate them and sell them as NFTs at this point

[delicate beacon]

Or, someone with a camera can go there, pay 10 quid for a photograph the entire day license or look at everything for free.

[spring briar]

Omg I can’t believe it

It’s Brennus

[tough quail]

excellent

[shut wren]

Big

boat

[delicate beacon]

H-h-her stern

[tough quail]

so true

[uncut vale]

We actually have a battleship docked here in Philadelphia, the New Jersey, I usually catch a glimpse of it whenever my family and I are driving back from visiting relatives in Virginia

[rapid junco]

Lucky person
Because i'm 500 km away from nearest museum ship

*Ships since are 3 that are exposed on the same place

[delicate beacon]

I was wondering what the hell a US 40mm Mk 5 and 7 were for a second.

Too used to Dutch notations

[tired tree]

I visited recently
I'd say it my straddles New Jersey and Pennsylvania by look at the map

It's in Camden but it's still boarding Philly

[uncut vale]

I've personally never visited it myself, but I did get to visit the Nautilus back when i lived in Connecticut

And let me tall ya, it's insane how cramped the sailors who manned it were when it was in service

But it was pretty cool to see what it was like inside the sub

[rapid junco]

My friend once visited Riachuelo (Oberon class sub)
And he said that struggled between each compartment
And he's like 1 meter and 72

[uncut vale]

Damn

[rapid junco]

Just 2 centimetres taller than me

Defence Journalist Roberto Caiafa also visited it
And he's like
1 meter and 94 (6,3 feet)

[uncut vale]

Other military spots I've been to include the Aberdeen Proving Grounds tank museum (before it got moved), the Marine Corps museum in Quantico and even the Pentagon at one point

[strong plank]

Quantico is neat, I’ve interned there

[humble grail]

yo on the topic of museum ships I'm going to NY soon to visit the intrepid

[humble grail]

quantico seems really neat imo

[uncut vale]

Helped that my grandfather on my dad's side of the family has military clearance (he was an air force instructor before he worked at the Pentagon)

[strong plank]

The USMC museum’s still working on their new exhibits for desert storm and GWOT

Gonna be a few years but it’ll be great when it’s done

[humble grail]

I honestly didnt even know there was a whole USMC museum, I’ll have to go some day

[strong plank]

It’s a bit out of the way

Can’t wait for the eventual opening of the new navy museum in like 10 years

[humble grail]

10 years is a long time but I will have to wait :,)

[strong plank]

They’ve got the land, they’re just still soliciting designs from contractors

Hope it opens within the next few years, their collection has some cool stuff

One of Reno’s turrets for one

[uncut vale]

Dang

[frigid karma]

it's the most mid CV imo

it's way too walled off

[humble grail]

true

[strong plank]

Definitely going to check out Missouri while I’m in town

[frigid karma]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1632600642958000128?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

The Associated Press (@AP)

Guitarist Gary Rossington, Lynyrd Skynyrd's last surviving original member who also helped to found the group, has died. He was 71. https://t.co/1npVZbecIT

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Twitter · Mar 6, 2023, 4:35 AM

the free bird guy

[tough quail]

WHY

[frigid karma]

freer bird

[desert agate]

Rare Roma

[vague spindle]

Is there a historical reason why Shinano has such huge badonka donks?

[desert agate]

no

[vague spindle]

oh ok

[spring briar]

Rare?

[ivory ridge]

Medium rare

[autumn sorrel]

Is there a Nelson type layout cruiser?

[autumn sorrel]

34knot and 9 8-inch in a 10000 tons cruiser, does it make out of Paper?

Oh wait, 1-2 inch on deck and barbettes, yeah, it is make out of paper

[eternal veldt]

There are also the CLVs from the US if you want that

[autumn sorrel]

Is that Flush deck? Look a bit Akaga

[lapis delta]

Post-retro Akaga*

[desert agate]

unseen picture

not commonly posted

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

ive never seen it before

[eternal veldt]

Should I send you my entire Roma pictorial book

[eternal veldt]

I suppose so? It isnt built due to how impractical it is.

[cunning fractal]

https://explorersweb.com/world-war-ii-submarine-found-japan/

So… they found Albacore

[frigid karma]

Old news

[cunning fractal]

The US tried that with their last Pre-Dreadnought battleship… wasn’t that good of an idea

[shut wren]

[maiden citrus]

it did lead to the science of superfiring turrets however, so with more automation and technology it might have been worth it to a degree, as in the end most main guns did have smaller guns on them (in the form of aa)

[shut wren]

[rapid junco]

@spring briar The first Skyhawk that landed and took off from São Paulo

[spring briar]

[cunning fractal]

Yeah, but where do you think the shell of the smaller gun would have gone? Straight down risking hitting the gunnery crew of the bigger gun

[rapid junco]

Argentine Super Etandart

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kko9oltNLI

[tough quail]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1632754364233154560

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1944, Willy Hitler joined the fight against his uncle Adolf by enlisting in the U.S. Navy. Initially rejected, he received permission to serve after writing to FDR and getting cleared by the FBI. He later changed his name and lived quietly in NY until his death in 1987.

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Twitter · Mar 6, 2023, 2:45 PM

[manic latch]

In 1944 and Navy
Not the riskiest job I assume

[frigid karma]

https://i0.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Roma-Sinking.jpg?ssl=1

Well done Roma

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910690876169281587/1078341189171957800/caption-6.gif

[delicate beacon]

Murder

[frigid karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749483175012466721/1032857961879576676/1664856852552580.gif

If I stop taking my meds she’ll be real

[ivory ridge]

truly

[frigid karma]

https://imgur.com/a/AEPTg1E

A collection of ships on cigarette cards

MY GRANDMOTHER smoked herself to death so we could afford the album!

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1632774346325254146

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's #NationalDentistDay. When Hideki Tojo was imprisoned in Occupied Japan, a Navy dentist fitted him for dentures into which "Remember Pearl Harbor" had been drilled in Morse code. When news of the prank got out, the dentist quickly removed the message to avoid a court-martial.

Twitter · Mar 6, 2023, 4:05 PM

[spring briar]

@manic latch

found it

[manic latch]

You tagged me

[spring briar]

this is a collection of the guns at the Russian section of the 1873 world expo at Vienna

[manic latch]

Woah

[spring briar]

French rifling system 1873

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pMRGVBgojo

[tough quail]

but why

[ivory ridge]

these videos in the end are just an excuse to talk a bit about the class in question

and then say how the iowas were the best of the best

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wayne-cantswim-kid-cant-swim-gif-5320611

how dare you pull this shit with spep

mid ass fanservice barge

[ivory ridge]

i posted the spee one because i think that's the smallest ship they compared it to

im scared to open this

[tough quail]

its the literal worst

like

ancient unmodernized coastal defense barges

[ivory ridge]

Open comments

[tough quail]

yeap

[ivory ridge]

Kilkis and Lemnos

[tough quail]

the comments are

[ivory ridge]

[tough quail]

MUCH worse

did you know

quad bad???

italian shells???

updoot now

[delicate beacon]

[ivory ridge]

fuck this got me

it took me a second

[tough quail]

that ones pretty good

[ivory ridge]

fuck i thought he was serious for a moment

[manic latch]

Uss New Jersey vs Hms Victory

[ivory ridge]

cereal sponsor

why is the US obsessed with cereal

[manic latch]

Coughing bomb vs Hydrogen baby

[deep apex]

Because cereal tastes good

[tough quail]

hydrogen baby sounds like a weird dc subplot

[ivory ridge]

the 5th member of the fantastic four

[manic latch]

There is a pattern if you see

Cereal, fast food

What they share in common

[deep apex]

Cheap
Tastes decent
Readily available

[manic latch]

Yosh

[tough quail]

drive through cereal restaurant

[spring briar]

USS New Jersey vs Chesma

(This is Chesma)

[ivory ridge]

easy win ||for chesma||

[spring briar]

You know a battleship old
When the only pictures of it are from articles in 1890

Beloved

[delicate beacon]

Cutie

[frigid karma]

Who would win?

USS New Jersey

M2 medium tank

[shrewd pecan]

whoever has the M1911

[frigid karma]

incorrect, the winner is this thing

[shrewd pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ailisnotgay-reload-anim-modern-warfare-gun-gif-1911-gif-20444052

omw

[frigid karma]

is that the cod mw reload or an irl reload

looks a bit too fluid to be irl

[shrewd pecan]

no idea all I know its from a game

[frigid karma]

the origin of the troll face

[thorn trail]

Why did the CLs after the Atlanta class not have torpedo tubes?

[ivory ridge]

torpedo go boom

boom bad for bote

also what do you even mean "after the atlanta class"

the brooks already didnt have torps and they were built 5 years earlier

[spiral cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skd8DVQmuQA

[ivory ridge]

or do you mean the juneau class specifically?

in that case

[eternal veldt]

Atlantas fulfill the niche as DD squadron leaders, as well as AA cruisers in the absence of a 6" DP weapon.

[ivory ridge]

back to point 1

[eternal veldt]

They are not following the same doctrine as the US 6" CL.

Torpedo going boom is known, but the final nail in the coffin is that it is found that the bigger gun cruisers barely get to use them before they come under air attack during the 1930 NWC games

So you have basically a floating, useless hazard on board, so get rid of them entirely

[thorn trail]

Oh Wikipedia is stupid and shows that the predecessor to the Cleveland class was the atlanta class, but going to the brooklyn class says that the successor is the Cleveland class as well

So i thought the Atlanta class was the older than the Brooks

[eternal veldt]

CLAA: Atlanta > Juneau
CL: Brooklyn > Cleveland > Fargo

[ivory ridge]

also wooster

[eternal veldt]

The two then finally merge at the Worcesters, which were unfortunately dogshit

[thorn trail]

Ah

[eternal veldt]

The US finally got their 6" DP weapon

Then they jammed hard and the 8"/55 RF is better

[thorn trail]

Wait Juneau class is not the Juneau ingame right?

[ivory ridge]

no

they named the new juneau after the old one tho

Oh god i can feel the Juneau II approaching

[eternal veldt]

The Juneau class is CL-119, effectively mini worcesters in appearance.

Including the elimination of 1/2, 5/6 superfiring positions to reduce topweight.

[dapper parcel]

Calling CL-119 mini worcester is a bit too far...

[dapper parcel]

Looks like they often only list the chronological predecessor-successor, not developmental one

Developmentally, it often pretty complicated since it wasn't always linear nor there were clear path of iteration

[eternal veldt]

Visually wise, I mean. My bad.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1632935950832525312

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1946, USS LSM-265 was used as a target ship and sunk by two torpedoes fired by a submarine off Pearl Harbor. Footage of the scuttling of LSM-265 was used in the films OPERATION PACIFIC (1951) and FIGHTING COAST GUARD (1951).

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 7, 2023, 2:47 AM

[prime sphinx]

I just learned about Samuel B. Roberts. I wonder if Azur Lane is gonna add it (Battle of Samar seems important)

I wasn't sure what channel this belonged in

[frigid karma]

Samar takes place almost immediately after surigao strait, which is ch14

We haven't had a historical event in years, so your best bet for the inclusion of Samar is ch15

[prime sphinx]

As a drop?

[frigid karma]

no, as a map

roberts could come wherever

no one knows

[prime sphinx]

Yeah I'm mostly talking about roberts

[frigid karma]

are we manjuu?

[prime sphinx]

No

I just thought it was worth bringing up

[spiral cedar]

The game doesn't have enough of a consistent pattern for us to predict future events and ships

So absent a crystal ball you know as much as we do

[shut wren]

Go ask the Commies they know

[ivory ridge]

Yes

[shut wren]

[strong plank]

FCS my beloved

[shrewd pecan]

TOO LIGHT TO FIGHT

[frigid karma]

slides into your DMs with disease ridden corpses

[spiral cedar]

Lamellar is the sexiest armor of the pre-gunpowder era for me

[frigid karma]

lamellar sounds vaguely spanish

and now i am imagining spanish conquistadors crossing the asiatic steppes

[kindred reef]

what are the chances of a jet plane in AL?

[desert agate]

not unreasonable

[kindred reef]

it would be epic

[desert agate]

but impossible to predict

[kindred reef]

although gloster sea meteor is really the only one we could realistically ever get

[frigid karma]

we already have one

in CN

[kindred reef]

REAL??????????????

troll?

troll

[frigid karma]

no cap

[eternal veldt]

Sea Vampire is a thing

[frigid karma]

there was that jet event on cn

[eternal veldt]

And if desperate, you call roll out the F9Fs.

[kindred reef]

was the f9f ww2?

[eternal veldt]

Preferably not the Kikka/R2Y3 Copium though.

AD-1 isnt ww2, so its fine imo.

[kindred reef]

but the AD-1 first had a prototype fly during ww2

i don't think they will put a truly postwar plane in the game

and i am glad

[subtle prawn]

The Westland Wyvern didn't fly until 1946

[kindred reef]

oh

i forgor that the wyvern is in the game

and for some reason i thought it flew earlier idk

[delicate beacon]

The random stuff you find on the internet

[autumn sorrel]

Byzantine style lamellar for me

[desert agate]

@eternal veldt do you have that picture of the various Yorktown class superstructures and their differences?

[eternal veldt]

you bet.

[desert agate]

legend

[eternal veldt]

Note that Enterprise would get her bridge refitted into Hornet's style ~1943.

[maiden citrus]

[desert agate]

whyd they do that

[desert agate]

doesnt seem overly useful

[eternal veldt]

Damage, presumably, so might as well take the chance to make her fall in line with Hornet's round bridge

it's likely done to reduce updraft

[desert agate]

oh thats fair enough then

[eternal veldt]

and if you're insane enough, this is the flight control room immediately behind the bridge

Ah, no, my bad, the whole section was simply razed to add the Mark 37 director

which you definitely do not see in the 1942 version

[shut wren]

the funny commie jets

[void raptor]

Wildcat from sister Sara

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1633101648959614983

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Romania buys American M1 Abrams tanks. The version of the M1 Abrams tank that will go to Romania is not known, nor their price.
It is only known that there will be 54 of M1 tanks purchased through international G2G orders.
https://t.co/4qiTGnph1y

Twitter · Mar 7, 2023, 1:45 PM

[humble mulch]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/jmsdf_pao_eng/status/1633047546183684096

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (@jmsdf_pao_eng)

7 MAR, the Ship Commissioning Ceremony of JS #MIKUMA was held at Nagasaki Shipyard, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
JS MIKUMA is the 4th MOGAMI class. Her name comes from the MIKUMA River, which flows through #Oita Prefecture, famous for its hot springs.

#FFM #JMSDF

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2023, 10:10 AM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1632857348476747777?s=20

Aust War Memorial (@AWMemorial)

#Onthisday in 1916, Maud Butler bluffed her way aboard HMAT Star of England by pretending to be a drunken soldier. The next morning, she was caught during a routine check and charged with having wrongfully worn a military uniform. P02848.002 #WomensHistoryMonth #PhotoOfTheWeek

Twitter · Mar 6, 2023, 9:35 PM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/DramaWarship/status/1633161175486590976?s=20

Warship Drama (@DramaWarship)

Date: September 20, 1921. Location: 35°17'24.2" N, 139°39'36.2" E. Event: Battleship Mutsu 陸奥 is seen here on the 28th month of constructions works at the Yokosuka Naval Arsenal 横須賀海軍工廠. Current status: Minor hull fragments at 33°58′44″ N, 132°24′08″ E, depth of 15 m.

Twitter · Mar 7, 2023, 5:42 PM

[tough quail]

good mutsu content

[manic latch]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/url-aukus-submarine-deal-nuclear-uk-us-australia-2023-vwggqxgs9

[vestal willow]

So what is Volga?

Can't find her on wikipedia, can't find her anywhere, not even in WoWs

[ivory ridge]

Project 72

it's a soviet lusty
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534621810306580500/944208972473335848/71-cv-line1.png

[spring briar]

But undy

That doesnt look like lusty

https://tenor.com/view/for-real-seriously-wet-cat-blow-dry-gif-14393867

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651823796453638144/1036911307661787156/uncaption.gif

[eternal veldt]

Thats 71A. This should be 72.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raider-seen-from-above-in-new-image

[manic latch]

Bruh that's Project 71

Aka Soviet Ark Royal smh

[ivory ridge]

Yes thanks i was already told so

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-at-camera-fr-gif-25565981

[manic latch]

Good

[ivory ridge]

blame google

[manic latch]

Tip

NP shipgirls usually state what Project they are in their ship description in their archive page

But because how incredibly low research West researchers have made on Soviet ships, which I don't blame them because of Soviet archives till 1990s, english side of internet and books barely have information about them. So best thing to do is use translate to change their Project names to Russian you know like Проекта 23, 72, etc then search it up

You will get shitload of more results and info

Chrome translate helps a bit

[vestal willow]

Thanks for the advice, that will come in use.

[manic latch]

Can tag me as well

I love Soyuz and things she loves after all

[delicate beacon]

Kremlin

Gimme a poorly-researched-kin hug

[manic latch]

I only hug NP girls

And maybe dragons

Or would in both case

[delicate beacon]

You stole Tankboot, does that give you a reason for hug?

[manic latch]

Germans would had her instead

So no

[delicate beacon]

Why would the Germans get her

The war was over

[manic latch]

Ok British would had her instead

So no

[delicate beacon]

But Brits were at least a little nice

[manic latch]

Littorios would agree surely

Or just Veneto for British case

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Why oranges are called oranges
But apple is not called red

[delicate beacon]

Why is red not called apple?

[frigid karma]

Oranges are named after the color

[manic latch]

Ok why Apple is not red then

[delicate beacon]

I thought it was reverse

[strong plank]

oranges are named for their french name

pomme d'orange

[manic latch]

[subtle prawn]

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/air-force-plans-nominal-buy-of-200-ngad-fighters-1000-drone-wingmen-kendall-says/

[desert agate]

wrong server?

[frigid karma]

mb

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_HLnULEyj8&ab_channel=DefenceAustralia

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1633223814250217472

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

M2 Bradley IFV fitted with the Rheinmetall 120mm Super Low Recoil Gun and autoloader.
Photo Rheinmetall 1983.
Source: Richard Eshleman/FB

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2023, 9:51 PM

[manic latch]

I assume you never saw the experimental BMP-2 With 125mm

[solid mango]

ello history peoples, I woulda like to know when was dis photo taken?

[eternal veldt]

~1942

Measure 12 mod scheme, amidship crane still present

This one was in July 1942, for example.

Scheme was also in use as of Operation Torch, November 1942

By December 5, amidship boat deck is gone, and one crane is already removed

[eternal veldt]

Therefore, picture must be taken between 15 June 1942 to ~24 November 1942. Without knowing the location, can't narrow it down further than that.

[solid mango]

perfect as im currently making the '42 config

thank you very much

[eternal veldt]

Check especially the bridge; Cleveland herself has no catwalk around it.

The later variants with square bridges sometimes do.

[solid mango]

excuse my stoopidity but i forgot what a catwalk is

[eternal veldt]

See the alley in front of the portholes?

Thats a catwalk.

[solid mango]

ah, the walkway around of the Pilot House, thanks

[eternal veldt]

That is also a square bridge/pilot house.

[solid mango]

Still missing Portholes that goes below the RF spot and a huge part of the aft superstructure

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f01N2QuXFHA

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/07/congress-notified-of-potential-1-4b-e-2d-hawkeye-sale-to-japan

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1633470231820525569

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Sailors from the state of Texas assigned to the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) pose for a photo in the shape of their home state on the flight deck.
#WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 2:10 PM

[wintry moat]

I'm gonna be honest, I am of the camp that Hood was a fast battleship

As she was designed

[eternal veldt]

She is right in the middle of that line.

The problem is that Hood lies completely outside of the holy trinity of ship design, which are firepower, protection and speed.

She attains all three by being absolutely massive - whereas others trade one or the other to attain the other two.

And herein lies the problem - at her tonnage, you can likely design a slower, more "armoured" BB.

[wintry moat]

I can see that

[eternal veldt]

In that sense, she is a battlecruiser - not well armoured for a BB of that tonnage.

[wintry moat]

ol

I will agree there

actually I dont actually know her tonmage

[eternal veldt]

So, Hood, BC/FBB - I feel this is an argument of semantics.

She's 50k tons - very fat.

[desert agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586627596884901898/1077944822553382942/caption.gif

[wintry moat]

You done something horrendous

If that's what you got

but yeah

[eternal veldt]

For comparison, the QEs - similar in performance and firepower - weigh at 35k tons.

[wintry moat]

Compared to 46k

[desert agate]

buuut theyre also 9kn slower

[wintry moat]

well

Country definitions are sketchy to go by

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Tonnage and shaft horsepower incrases exponentially as you go higher up in speed.

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As KGV was actually considered a BC for a good while

Until they realized the amount of armor on her made her a battleship

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Doubly so when you are using late 1910 technology, and without boilers that can shit out high shp while being small.

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Vanguard was considered a “Fully Armored Battlecruiser”

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the brits had some very odd definitions of warships

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This is why Hood and the US Lexingtons are immensely long - they require a lot of space to fit the machinery in.

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'light fleet carrier'

'large light cruiser'

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And perhaps even worse - the hull needs to be extremely fine for high speed - which may cause seakeeping and protection issues.

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indeed

Well, I gtg,

But its lovely having this debate

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Hood's quarterdeck is known to be inhospitable under heavy weather, and her nickname of being a submarine is well known.

[wintry moat]

I also tease my buddy about NJ Being a Battlecruoser

*Battlecruissr

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The Lexingtons' Torpedo protection system is close to nil, with boilers right next to it.

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just to spite him

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You're fucked if a torpedo hits.

[humble mulch]

Oh y’all actually came in here

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Yeah

Also have you ever seen that rendition of Hoods Retrofit

If it went through

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If you mean Drach's, yes, but unfortunately dogshit in many ways.

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I find It cool looking if nothing else

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Heretic.

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Though I'll be frank. It's a language/terminology thing.

So you can call it both

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god naval encyclopedia is a shit site but it occasionally gives us bangers like that

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For one, it is extremely unlikely that the Royal Navy would devote resources to refitting Hood so drastically with the outbreak of war - Even the planned refits of the Revenge class BBs - with desperate need to up their horizontal protection- were shoved aside due to wartime demands.

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Hoods engines were just about shot

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Almost all British shipyards are fully occupied with producing smaller vessels like the WEPs and corvettes as soon as they ramp it up into war.

They will repair it, probably. A refit? Unlikely.

The second massive issue I have are the funnel caps - while innovative and eventually adopted on Vanguard - the bloody funnel tests didnt even start until 1946, and Vanguard herself is barely afloat in 1944. No way that makes it in that "Hood 1944" refit.

Finally, using the 5.25" overall is just...yea, no.

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There's also the off chance she could have been sent to the US no

?

[desert agate]

the US had even less willingness to put British ships through a full scale rebuild

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The Mark I variant is dogshit, and in critical supply to build the KGVs - so much so that several didos were stripped of their armament to hasten the construction of the BBs.

[desert agate]

especially with British design practices being what they were

[eternal veldt]

Most WW1 refits received the 113mm, and Hood should likely receive so if that is the case.

[wintry moat]

The 4.7s?

[eternal veldt]

There was a proposal to refit the Nelsons with 5"/38s and replace the godawful 152mm secbat. It was promptly turned down.

[eternal veldt]

4.5" Between Deck Mounts, yes.

If anything, Hood should resemble Renown's refit very closely.

[eternal veldt]

That is, you get past this stage first.

[eternal veldt]

I hate you for reminding me of this cursed image.

[desert agate]

you're welcome friend

its horrible and i wish it happened

HMAS Australia (I) slapping the Japanese back to Truk

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Oh, one more thing - The Royal Navy is feverishly phasing out battleship catapult designs starting from 1943. Almost all of the hangars were razed or converted into cinemas, but entertainment was not the main reason.

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mmm avgas fire

tasty

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Even the Dido had trouble getting their 5.25s

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More space was needed for anti aircraft armament as the ships begin heading into the Pacific Theatre, and the most easy way to do that is to move the boat deck down to where the catapults are.

Whatever spotting requirement was required for gunnery targetting, it was believed that carrier aircraft can provide for it.

So off goes the walruses and avgas, slam the boat deck down

Then acquire a fuck ton of pom poms and bofors.

[desert agate]

it was a very sloppy job for the most part too

Belfasts boat deck is not the subject of the Royal Navy's best welding

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Dido as built had 4 x 2, receiving her 5th turret later.

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having tripped on it on a clear day id hate to be on there when its wet and slippery

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Conversely, some of the Didos got circumcised (heh) later in the war - say Argonaut.

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Some finished with the 4.7s

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Bonadventure was the weirdest Dido of them all - 3 5.25" in front, one at the stern.

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Only the two "toothless terrors" - Scylla and Charybdis.

[eternal veldt]

Just ask the RN to nicely apply a layer of corticene on top.

And pray it doesnt catch fire.

[desert agate]

charybdis' 4.7 mounts had better angles than on the Tribals right?

[eternal veldt]

Jokes aside, I believe the anti slipping material is either semtex or bare steel. Wont be surprising to slip if they are bare steeled.

The two used 113mm mounts - same guns as the QEs and Ark Royal's secbat

Should be dual purpose and better than the 120s on Tribals.

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Can I fit Fletcher's 5 inch to a Gnevny

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Thank you RN for being moronic when it comes to the 4"-6" gun caliber

Why yes, we shall make turrets that can't fucking fessibly reload quickly when turned to 90 degrees or have a cramped as fuck gunhouse

Gigabrained

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"It's thought that counts"

Say

Did 127mm take more planes than 40mm?

[eternal veldt]

Havent counted on statistics, but only the 127mm came with VT, which was highly desirable.

[desert agate]

at least the 4.5in mk6 was a good mount

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The 40mm required a direct hit on aircraft.

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VT is OP on paper ye. But did it outdone 40mm I wonder

[eternal veldt]

Hence the whole 3"/50 deal.

Can it really be counted?

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Yo Rich, did Tsar era 16 inch battleships had autoloader for 4 rounds per minute?

[eternal veldt]

Usually the guns open up as soon as they come into range - I heard somewhere you are fucked already if the 20mms need to open up in late war.

[spring briar]

What?

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651823796453638144/1036911307661787156/uncaption.gif

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Given your interested you didn't saw the designs?

[spring briar]

I did

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What was the reload on those

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how do you know the next wows line, they havent announced it yet /s

[spring briar]

But I don’t think they are what you think they are

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[spring briar]

Probably around 40 seconds?

Idk

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it's coming

[spring briar]

I’m more interested in real russian guns

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Me too

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the malbourough alter is clearly for that

[spring briar]

Like the cute 305/35

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https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-stare-funny-gif-26367587

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Soyuz Marbo

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-funny-animal-looks-away-gif-23420405

[eternal veldt]

Dont worry, it'll come with combat instructions

[spring briar]

Like

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Spanish BBs be like

[spring briar]

Tsar era russian guns are awesome

[eternal veldt]

Slava accuracy when active, super penetration shells

Fuck your historical accuracy

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[spring briar]

Russian sailors screwed brass windscreens on the shells of pre dreadnought slava to increase the range

In order to fight the german fleet

Epic

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I should do that for Soyuz's shells too then

[spring briar]

Soyuz’ shells already have a windscreen

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Just missing the good ol' flood the compartments for extr-

[spring briar]

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Sorry , wrong ship

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USN gun achievements:

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I LOVE TEXAS

DID YOU KNOW IN D-DAY

ahem

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Ok tbf the USN did a lot of cool gun stuff after the wars

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Psst Richel. Why only Kommuna has turret modifications to have higher elevation, while not other Ganguts

[spring briar]

Was she the last gangut to be refitted?

Or the first?

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Well Kommuna was in Sevastopol

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Drawing from 1900’s

Today:

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I want to visit the st petersburg artillery museum with you one day krem

So I can gather info for my book

Once the war is over maybe

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I will likely get detained there after trying to break in the depot

Soyuz's scale models must be hidden somewhere

[eternal veldt]

Just build your own one 4head

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And also the 1:3 water test model

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[eternal veldt]

Kindly ask them to supply you the frames, and the line model

[spring briar]

Not very interested in that

Guns more important

The world needs to know

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Yosh

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I need measurements for soyuz’s shells too

Me reading about Russia buying from Krupp in 1867

Me reading that they switched to french in 1877

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Me buying every item on mall for Soyuz

[spring briar]

Sissoi Velikiy: ouch oof owie
French shipyards:
Sissoi Velikiy:

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American gunners load a 406mm cannon (16″/50 caliber M1919) from the Fort Story coastal battery in Virginia.

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

RICHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE

I haven't received mail back from het Scheepsvaartmuseum

I sent it friday

The automated response gave them 2 workdays

meanwhile, NMM responded within 24 hours.

So I'll do the difficult job first I guess

https://collectie.nmm.nl/nl/collectie/
Tell me if you find something interesting in here and I'll add it to the list

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Also

Have you seen the Heavy cruiser Submarine?

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Yep

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I find it immensely enjoyable

to think of a Sub bigger than Treaty era Cruisers, just popping up on a light cruiser

Even if it doesn't work

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https://i.imgur.com/eKbmTg5.png

they fixed it

lol

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i mean it's the icon for that ship preorder

wouldnt make sense to have DM back there

lol

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DM is coming as prem as well

Likely skill issue confusion

[tough quail]

when're they putting centauro 2s in tho

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only the SPG version

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The things you find in archives.

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11 year old huh

Air force:

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Yup

[uncut vale]

Wait, this was actually a thing they tried to make?

[wintry moat]

Yes

hilariously

Well

No

I read that wrong

It was just a proposal

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They explored the concept. Doubt they tried to make it.

[wintry moat]

never went through

as far as my very limited knowledge goes

but

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Closest thing were British 12" subs and Surcouf

[wintry moat]

Sub battleships when?

I shall shoot your hull from below

[desert agate]

1. no gun will survive that pressure
2. M class

funnyi

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lantern event did it again

predicted the faction

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a) that's still a B1
b) sadly just a mockup

then again

the F-16AJ exists

[tough quail]

at least they said they're adding extra arietes for the armor packs instead of just making them unlocks

[desert agate]

favourite RAN lore continues to be that 100% of all Australian submarines in WW2 were stolen from the Dutch

[tough quail]

they look so cool

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tho idk if that's more or less cursed than the

FH-70 strapped on a centauro hull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1YkXzOcXb8

[shrewd pecan]

It really is a challenge to play high tier Italy eh?

[desert agate]

please

for the love of god

go to #other-games

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How

what

Why

are the Dutch just the IRL equivalent of The Blood Ravens

[delicate beacon]

What's a Blood Raven

[desert agate]

well they werent using them anymore

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Oh

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Space marine chapter notorious for stealing shit

[desert agate]

after the fall of DEI the remnants of the Dutch fleet fled to Australian ports

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ok

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where the crews and ships were subsequently commissioned into the RAN

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Or Colombo

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And they just yoinked the Subs after the war?

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Even the Dutch naval command was sllit

[desert agate]

they were given back in 44

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Oh

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So they just traded/sold/given some subs to lighten logistic load

[wintry moat]

Okay

I was like, why are the Dutch becoming pirates

[desert agate]

but since prior to that the Dutch navy didnt have any actual facilities or command left, the RAN was the only force capable of operating them

the older and less serviceable boats were salvaged for spare parts/sunk in training exercises

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Fucking US refusing to use or defend Soerabaja

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That’s wild

[desert agate]

while the remainder conducted a handful of war patrols but due to their limited range couldn't do all that much

[wintry moat]

every day I learn something new

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They did a lot of covert studf

[desert agate]

the wreck of one of the Dutch boats can still be found on a Sydney beach

[delicate beacon]

Launching agents and removing them from the DEI

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Reminds me Object 327 as T-72 hull with a 152mm artillery

[tough quail]

that looks like something bodged together in gmod

[desert agate]

HMAS K9, one of only two submarine wrecks in New South Wales, the other being one of the Japanese midget subs from the attack on Sydney harbour

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Well it lost to Object 316 which I think become Msta

[desert agate]

the wreck is barely visible today but most of it remains since only limited salvaging took place

[tough quail]

yeah not too surprising

[tough quail]

i love you dog sub

[delicate beacon]

Was she named K9 in HMAS?

Dutch used Latin for the K botes

So K IX

[desert agate]

yeah but RAN didnt want to use latin numbers

so they changed it

the beach it stranded on is called submarine beach today which is neat

not entirely sure why RAN didnt want latin numbers i can only presume it had something to do with wanting to avoid confusion in communications

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Whenever I was in school we read a book about the Dutch sneaking gold out of the country using sleds

[shrewd pecan]

what the hell

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[shrewd pecan]

Tell me more

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This one does nice
https://tankhistoria.com/cold-war/object-327/

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Does it rock if it’s fired like that

It’d be funny to see it jump off its tracks, just a little

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Did had recoil problems yes

One of the reason it lost

[wintry moat]

It’s got KV2 syndrome

big gun push back

[shrewd pecan]

probably not since the suspension would likely be able to take it

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"The gun’s position at the rear of the turret meant the immense recoil from the 2A36 destabilised the vehicle, with a chance of knocking it over when the turret was aiming sideways."

[shrewd pecan]

Msta on a similar chassis doesn’t have issues since the vehicle rocking would throw off the accuracy of the round

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Wonder if it's because gun is more middle of the tank

[shrewd pecan]

if your SPG is violently shaking from the gun firing it’s accuracy is going to be obviously horrible

[wintry moat]

yeah

I would imagine so

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Oh she was good when: Object 327 was armed with the 152 mm D-22 howitzer, the same weapon used in the previous 2S3 Acacia SPG.

[wintry moat]

Given that the firing platform is moving

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But when you put the 2A36 152mm

It killed her

[shrewd pecan]

SPGs don’t really fire on the move

[wintry moat]

not driving but it jumping

[shrewd pecan]

there on tracked/wheeled mounts because it always them to rapidly relocate after firing or to keep up with advancing frontline units

[desert agate]

if your SPG is being thrown around by recoil while firing it's not a good idea

since it will throw off your rounds and your fire control

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Tupitsyn states that the 2A36 gun was simply too much for the Object 326 platform, and changed what was once a fast firing, efficient design into one that had too much recoil and an unreliable autoloading system.

This change of weaponry and performance is often mistaken for an entirely new vehicle, and has resulted in the idea that the entire project was unsuccessful.

[desert agate]

ideally the more solid you are to the ground the better your SPG will be

[wintry moat]

ah autoloaders

make or break so many tanks

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You have to use autoloader for 152mm tho

If you want a good spg

[wintry moat]

yeah

I would not wanna be apart of a gun crew loading that monster

I was just saying how Finnicky they can be

[spring briar]

Kill me

[shrewd pecan]

2S3 would like to talk to you

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Hey her gun is weaker

Also this girl was her better as Project

Thus you get Msta in end

Did M109 use autoloader

Or is that a variant upgrade

[shrewd pecan]

M109 never had one in service

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Oh

[shrewd pecan]

US has basically just been riding off of precision & fires coordination advantage when it comes to gun artillery

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2001_Crusader God speed you magnificent bastard

[shrewd pecan]

Beyond that ERCA is going to have a autoloader

Combined with the ability to basically outrange most artillery platforms

tho I still hold the opinion the M109 should of been replaced about 20 years ago

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Feels American Koalitsiya

Can K9 get similar range with same rocket boosted shell?

[shrewd pecan]

Nope

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Should wait for K9A2 upgrade

Oh

[shrewd pecan]

ERCAs longest range shell has a ramjet that’s gonna be capable of ranges beyond 100 KMs

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Holy

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CESAR best

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K9A3 upgrade plan says she will also have it

100km using gliding ammo.

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~~you cant even spell it correctly ~~

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Cesar
Caesar
Kaiser
Tsar

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Keizer

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Cringe

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Nou

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[spring briar]

Vitorio vennetto

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-hi-hello-close-up-kitten-gif-16709314

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Vendetta

Veneno

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of other artillery systems

really shouldn’t of taken this long for the army to look into motorized systems to replace the towed M777s in Stryker units

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What's the benefit of towed

Being lighter and cheaper?

[shrewd pecan]

air mobility

as in a CH-47 can carry it

Combined with costs yes

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What if you do Lego option

Drop parts then combine at ground

[shrewd pecan]

no real point

especially if you really had to you could just make a truck and howitzer combination light enough to be airlifted

On top of that Stryker units don’t need air mobility outside of being C-130 liftable

[tough quail]

i mean the m108 has been borderline replaced as is

i think literally every single part has been swapped out by now

[shrewd pecan]

It’s still fundamentally a M109

M109A6 has only a 47 caliber gun, no autoloader, longer times between shots compared to its competitors along with other issues from it’s dated design

[spring briar]

Modern artillery is absolutely

[shrewd pecan]

While the M1299 still uses a M109 chassis it’s been massively reworked

[ivory ridge]

tanks as well tbh

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Modern ships are

Dunno

I don't like their look after 2000s

Or 1990s

[tough quail]

i cant think of anyone who can be fucked to talk about modern ships

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No 1990s are fine ish

2000s after gone this smooth iron type of bodies

[tough quail]

russian/japanese ones look pretty alright still

otherwise its

zzzzzzzzz

[dusty kraken]

People would like modern ships more if they don't look like they're modelled with 10 polygons

[spring briar]

Tanks, planes, modern arty and modern ships
Just anything that I can’t read about in an old tome is absolutely

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This

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what's special in japanese ones they are just spicy americans

[spring briar]

Function over form is neat and all but I like function and form together

[tough quail]

they are

but there's just that bit of extra push that makes them look nicer to me

[spring briar]

Where maka

[tough quail]

or its just that my brain is tickled by the fact they look like neo takaos

thats probably it

[desert agate]

[ivory ridge]

like

[tough quail]

you just care about australia having a military

the details of the ships are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ivory ridge]

there are navies that still use the general ship but still look unique for their radars or weaponry

say

india

fuck

but japan?

[spring briar]

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literally just burkes

[spring briar]

Despair

[tough quail]

yeah fair shout

modern ships went wrong when they stopped having the cool side mounted missile launchers

[dusty kraken]

Why hasn't anyone made ships extremely smooth yet instead of all these pointy edges

[tough quail]

vls is fake and gay

[desert agate]

this is true but i also like looking at capabilities and stuff since thats kinda my future career

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Cmon Kirovs are sexy even with vls

[desert agate]

MEKOs

[tough quail]

because kirov is fucking enormous and has the uber bow slope

and cheats by having actual color contrast with the red deck

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https://tenor.com/view/battle-ship-mjc-full-throttle-gif-19546494

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This girl is boring for example

[desert agate]

me normally: damn those russian ships looking obsolete as fuck with their old radars and weaponry
me when red decks: yes sir glory to the federation

[spring briar]

Get rekt

[desert agate]

that's because its an LCS lmfao

[spring briar]

True aesthetics

[tough quail]

lcs' i dont mind because of the super swayed back look

they just look like techno future speed boats

[spring briar]

LCS looks like a flip flop

[ivory ridge]

hehe tiddy

[spring briar]

Hehe

[dusty kraken]

Now I want a pair of LCS flip flops

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Doesn't help when other ships begin to look similar. Like Turkey, don't know if others will copy it later

[tough quail]

they look like something you'd expect to see doing drug busts in 2080 miami vice

[dusty kraken]

With functional weapons systems on it

[spring briar]

Looks like its made from duct tape

Like

[tough quail]

its turkish

it is made of duct tape

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I’m gonna be honest.

[frigid karma]

Is it possible to salvage LCS nowadays by selling them to the uscg?

[dusty kraken]

Why does it have the exact texture of duct tape lmao

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

Look at the texture

[wintry moat]

Modern stuff doesn’t really interest me really in naval stuff

[shrewd pecan]

I want my 80s boxes

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Gawd I see it

[shrewd pecan]

No, too expensive to operate

[tough quail]

naval warfare just kind of died

[wintry moat]

Sir, we plated the hull in Tape

[spring briar]

Wtf…

[wintry moat]

It reminds me of the Zieten from WoW

[tough quail]

it's been dead since ww2 really, with the falklands as the sole and singular funny

[dusty kraken]

When you build your first ship in Minecraft

[tough quail]

then again

[wintry moat]

God the Zieten is an ugly ship

[tough quail]

argentina is starting to fuck around again, so

[spring briar]

Its german and fake

[tough quail]

🙏

super spee is based

[shrewd pecan]

there’s been plenty of naval engagements

[frigid karma]

Let’s do 2 for 2

[wintry moat]

I know but fuck is she a weird ass design

like

[shrewd pecan]

ranging from the Arab Israeli wars to the US intervention during the Iran Iraq war

[wintry moat]

Bruh

[tough quail]

i sleep

[wintry moat]

Ha Hah! Fuck your coast line said the Iowas

[desert agate]

Taiwan is going to look... interesting

[tough quail]

yeah gonna be real with you

shelling third world countries is not what i call naval warfare

[desert agate]

if/when it blows up it's gonna be a shitshow

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

sorry richy

[desert agate]

and it pretty much will happen

[spring briar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Alexandria

[tough quail]

oof owie

[ivory ridge]

cant wait to see the USN bomb mexico in the upcoming war

/s

[spring briar]

How tf do you win a bombardment?

Scoring a 3 pointer?

[deep apex]

No enemy

[tough quail]

yes

thats why warspite won vs cesare

[tough quail]

yooooooooo its just like cawwa doody

[ivory ridge]

truly

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When we bombing the Netherlands

[spring briar]

Congrats

[desert agate]

anyway look so long as maritime trade remains a relevant force in global politics naval warfare will be relevant
it's just that actual wars between nations is such a rarity since the end of WW2, and especially between nations capable of massing reasonably sized naval forces that we just havent seen anything

[manic latch]

US: Look at me Hector

Mexico: ding ding ding ding ding

US: AAAAUGH

[tough quail]

oh of course its relevant

its just been fucking boring to look into

[frigid karma]

We need a return to classic naval warfare

[desert agate]

agree to disagree

[frigid karma]

No more staring at a screen hundreds of miles away on a plane or boat waiting for your missile to hit

[tough quail]

yeah

[frigid karma]

Melee only boarding actions

[tough quail]

just sail up close and start dumb firing them like rockets

lets fucking go

[frigid karma]

Somalian pirates need to make a return bring things back to the good old days

[tough quail]

donate CIWS to your local pirate crew

[desert agate]

when the USN has a missile which can, using passive radar and optical sensors alone, detect enemy task forces, avoid radar pickets and select which parts of a ship would be the most devastating to hit, while fired from well over 300km away from a stealth platform, I personally think that's pretty fucking awesome

[shrewd pecan]

I mean https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBU-6000

[delicate beacon]

One SEM-30 pls

[tough quail]

man essentially katyusha batteries on sail ships would be fucking sick

[frigid karma]

It’s boring

[tough quail]

[frigid karma]

This is why I have 0 hope for space combat in the future

It’s just gonna be dumping missiles and running

🥱

[desert agate]

also NSM is fucking sexy

[spring briar]

Ok
But they don’t have an anti tank Vespa

[deep apex]

Pump and dump

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

weekly NSM shilling by hit

[shrewd pecan]

Wanting to be obliterated by a battleship shell over wanting to be obliterated by a hypersonic missile

[frigid karma]

“Fire missile”
“Fire counter measures”
“Fire missile”
“Prepare to engage ciws - oh nope never mind”

[delicate beacon]

What's so sexy about Nederlandse Scheepsbouw Maatschappij?

[desert agate]

i was shilling LRASM

but then pivoted to NSM

[tough quail]

i mean missile wank is cool

[desert agate]

because both are fucking awesome

LRASM is just better

[tough quail]

the bummer is that actual ship design basically stalled out

[desert agate]

i personally blame the Germans

since the MEKOs basically killed small ship design for a solid 30-40 odd years

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-atg-missile-mk1-gif-23126416

[desert agate]

since everything operated by a small-medium sized navy since the end of the cold war has basically just been a MEKO

[tough quail]

the us pumps out nothing but burkes and the rest of the word essentially follows suit

britain lost all of its actual intelligence

[manic latch]

US just did horrible choice for replacement DD project

[tough quail]

russia had cool cruiser designs but all its money is going into submarines and unknowable eastern european destinations

[desert agate]

CEAFAR radar is the most aesthetically different, and pleasing modern radar set

[tough quail]

at least the french carrier might be cool

[shrewd pecan]

The last several hundred years of human ship design have been nations pumping out similarish designs

[tough quail]

and the little CVL arms race in asia is funny

[manic latch]

Japan:

[tough quail]

though i think korea already backed out of that

[desert agate]

diamond shaped fucking radar ahh i love it

[manic latch]

Fujian: I ain't small

[tough quail]

unlimited destroyer works

[frigid karma]

But what about sk?

[tough quail]

fuck around and find out bing chilling

[desert agate]

filipino carrier when

[manic latch]

You mean the place they live

[frigid karma]

They have a goated shipbuilding industry

And a carrier is useful primarily for just not having an airbase in range of Nk artillery

[desert agate]

filipino shipbuilders when you ask them to make something that isnt a container ship (unforgivable sin)

[frigid karma]

(Slight exaggeration but still)

[shrewd pecan]

South Korea wants actual blue water capability

[tough quail]

they already backed out of that plan afaik

japan stay winning