They say that thing will replace Tunguska. But it doesn't have missiles
#history
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The other issue for the US SAM systems that unlike BUK or TOR
most depend on a battery and don’t have a built in radar
So NASAMs or patriot isn’t addable without taking liberties
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Man playing BUK will either be horrible or broken experince in war thunder. That thing is gigantic with exposed big missiles
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Everyone hyped up the TOR and that thing ended up worse than the Tunguska
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Yeah it can't defend itself
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🤨 I can reliably sneak up on that thing in a A-10
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Tho at the same time I’ve watched it eat mavericks somehow without over-pressuring
I’ve also watched my friend horribly die in it repeatedly in squadron battles
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Pantsir may or may not be strong. It has guns like Gepard but on gigantic truck. But it will %100 better than Tor
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I remember just watching a GBU-8 drop right into his missile rack
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somebody ping me when the J-16 drops so I can grind it
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See you in three years
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They say that thing will replace Tunguska. But it doesn't have missiles
presumably they'd work in tandem with pantsirs or stick to helo duty
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presumably they'd work in tandem with pantsirs or stick to helo duty
This version however 
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are we getting the funny truck one or that
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Truck one
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in?
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Funny truck
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👁️ one of these days we will finally get a US aircraft with a targeting pod that isn’t the A-7 or A-6
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i should probably actually go up the spaag line already
im just lazy and dont wanna sink time into wt
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I want a NATO autoloader tank but at the same time I don’t want to grind Japan or France
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people actually use the Chinese ZSU-57-2 as spaa
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It has proxy fuze
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oh
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i should probably actually go up the spaag line already
Yosh
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me refusing to go much past like, the f6f, got destroyers in naval though
ground? never gonna touch it
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me refusing to go much past like, the f6f, got destroyers in naval though
Grind Nevada
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Struggling to get my Mig-9
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maybe, since wt just vibe checked wows incredibly with that
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and strugging in china tree because ass guns and planes
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i wish ground was good
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Uptier panther pls
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all the gameplay is there to make it good its just organized in the most soul crushing way possible
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Fix the hole in the IS-2 in the front in the damage model
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like 'hey you guys remember that omega nerfed weird nevada you put at tier 5?'
-presents historically accurate 1942 nevada that looks gorgeous-
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never played wt
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tl;dr
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getting a clearance soon so I should prolly keep it that way
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air is ok, ground you might as well play call of duty or valorant or something
naval is weird
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also make sure to do arcade for props and realistic for jets
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shit wait I still need to fill out my sf-86
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sometimes naval has hyper accurate stuff where they have even better depictions then wows
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Do arcade jets with props for a good shitshow and godmode farming
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sometimes it just has no capability or wrong parts because they thought it would be funny
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sometimes the models look like they were made in a chinese sweat shop
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like compare that nevada model that looks
better than any ship in wows
to whatever shima was
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there was also that time where a few british cruisers just
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cocaine
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like I'm not going to act like the shells armor etc is gonna be accurate
it's wt, it's not
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like 'hey you guys remember that omega nerfed weird nevada you put at tier 5?'
...
There is one problem on Nevada
Arizona's reload is horrible
Nevada may get same thing
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but at least they flip flop to sometimes having more accurate weapon suites than wows does
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Baguette navy yay
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like how iirc pepsi in wt has the correct bofor loadout
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the wows one is missing some aa
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in one box
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and some ships like the premium brooklyn had accurate aa loadout
and then others just
didn't
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Japanese destroyers have torps inside boxes on deck
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naval is super hit or miss
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somebody Ping me when we talk about plane radar again
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the premium fletcher I have, forget which one it is, is gorgeous
and then farragut has 2 oerlikons for aa
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tonk gameplay
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wot
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bc I played wot blitz for a spell
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it's terrible but wt ground is so bad
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wot is janky
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WT becuast Wot's hp hitbox
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wt is less janky but built
to hurt you
like i said it has the actual gameplay mechanics to be good
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I hate hp boxes on vehicles
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but the systems holding it together
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like I just had the realization you're more durable as a rando dude in cod than in wt ground
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"Here you have a 1953 french tank in matched with mid-WW2 tanks"
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'everything in the match dies to even machine gun fire anyway'
tough quail
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I find games where the expected gameplay is you die in one hit pointless to play
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like I kinda want to play a tank game
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i wouldnt mind the super squish if it wasnt such a slog to actually get into fights
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but idk if I have it in me to re-grind shit in wot after already doing it in blitz
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and I also can't connect my switch to my monitor due to poor financial decision-making ability
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Panther bozos on their way to not see My Is-2 in the allyway
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hot take if you wanna play ww2 tanks just
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I suppose that's where the naval 'does it look accurate or is it two turret shima' tier weirdness comes into play
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so no blitz unless I'm going handheld
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play enlisted instead
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for ground it's 'every tank dies in one hit regardless of armor except this one for some reason but only if it's looking 1 degrees to the left then it is immortal'
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war thunder but less shitty and you can actually do what
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so far I've been scratching the tank itch with uhhhh
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tanks actually do most of the time
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EDF 4.1 of all things
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843478659625254933/891359544175894568/c...
American heavy tanks in general
(trust me the T32E1 is a 7.7 vehicle)
tough quail
i want to go up the us ground tree but i didnt buy the m8 in time
and thats like
ruined my life
because i almost had the perfect roster of us jank i actually like
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Im struggling to use my Soviet 5.0 line to Grind IS-2
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I never got how the hell the Jumbo or the T32s managed to get to the BRs they're at
🤨 T32s are on par with the tiger IIs yet there a entire br range higher
and have to fight tanks with stabilizers and thermals
with a gun that at times can struggle to penetrate a Leopard 1
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gaijin balances by statistics
german tank players are actual obotomites
so throw and throw and get downtiered
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so they nerf their favorite vehicle???
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Snail employees get one hit kills anyways and get shit enemies
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the entire ammo stowage
Köln
With 10000+ shells in a weeny ammo locker on the deck
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ah
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tough quail
thank you
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Entire auxiliary magazine on deck
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future science
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wt and wows are definetly the computer science joke of
the front end:
the back end:
wow what a pretty model, wonder wha- oh lord
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Also, glad to report that Alaska's revelation yesterday genuinely made me too angry to sleep
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Truly one of the CB of all time
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Also, glad to report that Alaska's revelation yesterday genuinely made me too an...
What happened
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You will suffer with me
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like anyone remember the wows new orleans thing
the model looks fine
the entire armor model was so incredibly incorrect and even when shown it they were so against changing it at all
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oh sweet jesus why
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Oh..
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Ah yes the old "Ram them and Salvo them"
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It triggers my..ocd, I guess you can say
After seeing the beauties of clipper bows on Lexington, Tennessee and co
Then they come up with this
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Reminds me of that one Iowa v Bismarck meme video
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@tough quail Soyuz according to Sweden 
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the entire armor model was so incredibly incorrect and even when shown it they w...
Laughs in 350mm scharnhorst
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<@84008086733324288> Soyuz according to Sweden <a:gigachad:1009475238238617651> ...
actually based
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What are the domes
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What are the domes
Missile
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also as I slowly read through Neptune's Inferno I now realize why Alaska's hangars are a problem
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Mhm
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Midships is a hazard indeed
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a hazard for my eyes, they're ugly 90% of the time
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However, they did bafflingly go back to it on CA-B
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like I'm with churchill on this one, make them shorter and fatter and get rid of the amidships, this solves several problems at once!
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Objectively speaking, just...do it US BB style
Two catapults on the back, no provision for hangar
What's that? Plane broke or on fire? Just shove it over the side
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avgas? -fires bb gun directly into the plane- hell naw
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Like, the Brits think the stern hangar is bad
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it looks like an actual kitbash ship from someone who doesnt know what things on a ship actually does
but its real
someone built it
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I do like that it has the baltimore secondary layout
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cleveland secondary layout is superb
tough quail
yeah thats a good bit
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Id just think that CA2-D will fix everything
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the alaskas being more or less a one-off thing is what makes them so neat for me
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It’s better for AA arcs etc. but several nations use centerline secondaries as an excuse to put their secbat magazines right next to the mainbat ones, which from a damcon perspective I do not like
Not sure if the US cruisers do that but still
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Chonky missile
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anything that lets me use centerline space so I can have more stuff fire to a side than just wings is good to me, except for certain doctrinal uses
I remember I heavily abused centerline stuff in a ship context with horsememes we entered as a duo
and jaba knows I am a crossdeck connoisseur
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Not sure if the US cruisers do that but still
Id assist, but this is unreadable on phone
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<@84008086733324288> Soyuz according to Sweden <a:gigachad:1009475238238617651> ...
I thought Soyuz had 3 turrets?
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Or just use the link I provided for Nawleans BOGP, I guess 
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I thought Soyuz had 3 turrets?
Lad this is Sweden gone intel very very very wrong
Creation of K-1000
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-1000_battleship
How I explain my wife (Soyuz) to others
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I remember I heavily abused centerline stuff in a ship context with horsememes w...
centerline enjoyer
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didn't we make like
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False intelligence can be very based
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a russian doitch that super exploited centerline
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Clevelands do do it, but at least it's at the bottom of the hull rather than like 1 deck down
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yeah at that point it's low and way underwater
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Come on Japan, do the funni
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Yikes
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I have Astoria, San Francisco, and Vincennes BOGP as well if you want to look at NO's magazine layout.
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too blurry to read it for New Orleans
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yaes
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https://pastebin.com/SvVkp8tY and also this thing
Boy I get some Project 84 vibes here
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Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model
2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 - 5.98" / 152 mm 57.0 cal guns - 116.38lbs / 52.79kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1936 Model
2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts```And Pepsi and Northampton too, I suppose
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<a:PaimonSpinning:891013323309613076> too blurry to read it for New Orleans
The arrows aren't legible so I can't tell if the rooms are actually adjacent
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maka was the main force behind the ruskie deutschland and i did the cl
my main design goal on that was basically
mmyaes
kirov but good now
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The big shame is that for some reason
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```6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 55.0 cal guns - 1,038.38lbs / 471.00kg shells, 100 per gu...
Damn
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Yes
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kirov but good now
Man Chapayevs would likely continue 180mm if Kirov turrets didn't become "that"
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i should relearn how to shipbucket and make these goobers sometime
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French stolen turbines
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(which I justified as it's way faster than things like doitches so who cares)
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So also adjacent
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Yep
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9'' belt 13 feet high on a cruiser
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like I get it only has 6 main guns but dang this just looks loaded when I glance over it
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Same for Vincennes
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esp for this weight class
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its got half a CL slapped onto the centerline too
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And for funny's sake, I kept 
's BOGP on there too
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which isnt something to scoff at when its mostly fighting cruisers
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which isnt something to scoff at when its mostly fighting cruisers
Unless it can't hit anything
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which let me relegate the 100mm meme machines as the side guns
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its got half a CL slapped onto the centerline too
Stalin's rule was if the ship has to counter potential enemy ship then make the ship larger than it.
Thus why Heavy cruisers are actually Large cruisers for Soviets
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oh I forgot I
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread```
did the murm thingthis things probably a little generous for its size obviously because its
yknow
springsharp
but the ideas sound i think
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where it just has a big aa deck near the back ss
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Technically, if the design is sound enough, at the very least a scale model would be constructed
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Also, I'm not forgetting what happened to Cesare's model
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ye kirov actual has a thing like that
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World if Omahas were built using 127mm/38s
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lemme open warblunder real quick
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Man Gnevies had cool concept but backfired bad
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Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern```
this is how you can tell I designed itHeavy AA on DD as 2-3 76mm.
But it ain't good if gun is meh and bad fire control for air
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You hate flushdecks, do you?
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lmfao
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The funnel does look a little funny to me after the refit, ngl
Literally a chonky snorkel from the original massive thing
But part of the charm
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the soviets have been infiltrated, their ships are starting to look like thin and long standard bbs
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Literally a chonky snorkel from the original massive thing
It does look ugly for me. BBQ funnel style. Wish they give it Iowa style cap
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Counterpoint: smoke clearance
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I like how you can tell I made it in imperial too and it was exported to metric
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yee
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I dont think the spotting top would be doing well, at least
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aa rings around their funnels
360° cover ye
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I even did the design language of having 3 twins on the sides instead of 4 in a row
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RN dreadnoughts trying not to gas their entire spotting top crew challenge (impossible)
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hey they fixed it on one class
then went back to doing it
but yeah 100mm layout is identical
aa deck is there too
I did just make an absolutely gigachad kutuzov didn't I
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yes
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They had two good batches, but then decided that two massive masts are bad for your health when a enemy stares at you
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tough quail
kutuzov after consuming deutschland
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So delete the mast, and fuck it up again
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6 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 1.543 t each, 9.255 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes```
I forgot one had torps evenit just like actually is kinda
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me, my comrade grigori and six guys named ivan taking pot shots at stukas in a circle
the life
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All fun and games until Tashkent gets bombed
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'what if half of kutuzov doubled in size'
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All fun and games until Tashkent gets bombed
I will travel back in time and give Gnevies and Tashkent 76mms proximity fuse
Tho later Tash get the twin 85mm
I think
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kremlin trying to install a pantsir on tashkent
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I recall we attempted to put izmail guns on this thing at one point
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we did
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Might as well put a Tunguska on her for effect
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but it was totally unfeasible
tough quail
yeah
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Nah traveling back in time with maintenance heavy equipment is horrible idea. Need something more simple
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yeah it made it surprisingly heavy cuz the 32 knot speed was like the minimum
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Nah traveling back in time with maintenance heavy equipment is horrible idea. Ne...
take a shilka then, piss easy
you could repair that thing by hitting it with a hammer like a tf2 sentry
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and once the barrels wear down you can make a cool shotgun out of them
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I'm also happy this weird super russian doitch is also just like mega armored to the point it has more armor than alaska or dunk
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I'm also happy this weird super russian doitch is also just like _mega armored_ ...
So Kron but more armor
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the tds isn't too bad
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my main contribution to the big boy was knowing where to save weight without missing out
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Kron was obese by unknown reason. It doesn't make sense she is much heavier than Alaska despite similar stats
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just general inexperience with large ships probably
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yeah you helped me a lot on hull form iirc
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cuz this was one of the fastest ships I had made
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so they had to come up with loads of tricks for efficiency
germany and russia didnt have that necessity engrained into them
same thing happens with me and maka working together really
maka is used to doing the wildest stuff free of most restrictions
i mostly did this on strict tonnage rfp competitions
so she comes up with the dope ideas i come in ti slim down more weight for her to use
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yeah, it's why we tried izmail stuff then abandoned it
and that actually freed up so much weight that this is like a top tier cruiser big
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true yeah
but minimum speed was this as they wanted it to operate with other stuff
me being forced to make a fast ship
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Man Shame Izmail's hull design engineer left after revolution
He designed cruise ship Normandie's hull later
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but like you can tell horse did a lot of work on the ship proportions
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 142,635 shp / 106,406 Kw = 32.00 kts```
32 knots on that much?140k is like, not much hp
for that speed
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```Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts...
Biggest mistake of 1930s-40s is the obsession on fucking 3 shafts
Likely Germany influence
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like for reference dunk goes 29
on 110k
On speed tests, Dunkerque reached a maximum of 31.06 knots (57.52 km/h; 35.74 mph) from 135,585 shp (101,106 kW)
horse literally frenched the hull
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Good good
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i have an ancient like
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it goes an entire knot faster than dunk
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really fucking weird izmail rebuild proposal
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with 5k more hp
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I love my girls thick but being comfortable is more important
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Izmail is unique
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Its that time of the Day again
Stupid IDeas
What If
We take a radar and slap it on a B-29
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this is why we work well together
with our powers combined this cruiser big goes 32 knots!
...and has a 6'' deck because
it should
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If you think about it
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I forget exactly why I chose 6 degrees for the belt slope
something about it being soviet related
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If Richy had forgone the 50mm splinter deck and added it directly to the 150mm main armor deck
It would get to Yamato thickness
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It’s also Cleveland’s I think
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it has kron's exact belt
I wonder if I knew that at the time since this was years ago
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If the US produced the Carcano how fast do you think they'd be able to spam them?
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Grand but with less freedom
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?
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except the garand isn't bolt action
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All those mfs looks the same
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im going to spare my sanity
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it's not super bad
it's mostly 'hey remember this super duper old pre dead this south america country had? yeah...' type stuff
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oh yeah the comments are awful
one is like 'oklahoma her performance at pearl harbor was really bad'
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Yea, the video seems to talk about the really old ships
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Ah yes, because sinking while taking 9 torpedo hits while unable to move means you are bad
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Naturally, Kilkis is one of the worst too if by obsolescence
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Yea, the video seems to talk about the really old ships
'did you know this ship was even in the navy of this nation? me neither!' type stuff
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Yea, feels exactly like that
Didnt check in detail, didnt even check if the Drottning Victorias are included
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bro just dodge smh
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the only one not like that was arkansas and he says it in the context of the us navy which is like, yeah I guess
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use your damage control smh
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Ah yes, because sinking while taking 9 torpedo hits while unable to move means y...
Almost as if you are going to eat shit being the most outboard and accessible to the attacking torpedo force
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since arkansas in a fight would beat a lot on this list and off this list
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Because trying to hit every other ship requires actual maneuvering
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https://i.imgur.com/URRI4YW.png
In slight defence of that, Jean Bart did get her turret stuck for a good six hours (I think?) after Massy wedged her shell in there
The partition part is of course 🚮
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i mean it is a weakness but definitely not one that makes them bad
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JB was also still under construction wasn't she
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lewd
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75% complete
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like are people dunking on JB
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i mean it is a weakness but definitely not one that makes them bad
Certainly far from the worst
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for not being able to solo a completed battleship
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jb was in like
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while being unfinished herself
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a place where if she had been completed
one of the hits would've just vaporized her
so it's weird
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And truth be told, Jean Bart isnt literally made to contend with fucking "I'll trash your deck" 16" mark 8 shells
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and that's meant in the way of the math on hood's explosion was smaller than the one that would have been inflicted on jb
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The low turret count, wing turrets, and the (would be) obscene amount of shells in the 152mm magazines are all valid complaints however, imo
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if ammo had been where that landed
so by not being complete she dodged getting atomized
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Yea, the fragments were all found in the empty mag.
...right, 62.28k kg of powder
Vs 23.52k on Hood
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yuuuuup
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There is also this
..which is a bit of copium
I'll give @tough quail two whiplashes in two hours
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Actual question this time
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some of it seems copium ish but it seems semi valid for some too so eh
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Would shaving 2mm of paint off of a arty shell actually work to fit into a smaller gun
like 2mms of paint
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Ah yes, because sinking while taking 9 torpedo hits while unable to move means y...
What ship is this?
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oklahoma
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some of it seems copium ish but it seems semi valid for some too so eh
Most, I'd agree
The rate of fire and mine damage, less so
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true
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And smokiness is just nitpicky
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rate of fire is not gonna be super fast like that
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"guys, bote is dirty, therefore bad"
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surprised they didn't mention richy's bad gas mileage instead of something odd like smoke thickness
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Yahagi took 7 torpedoes, and Kongō was sunk by 2, so this proves that 1 Yahagi = 3.5 Kongōs
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🧼
sullen canyon
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..which is a bit of copium
i mean, yeah, valid
though mostly solvable... if, you know, given time to actually work the kinks out with a country to call home
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Indeed. Richelieu's shell problem isnt one either if the caps are actually...installed.
tough quail
yeah
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Slight problem: Richelieu's missing half of her cooking equipment and summer uniform already in her haste to get away from Brest
So no caps, sadly
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tfw no grilling skin for rich
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Her crew is likely cooking to death too
Remember, Dakar is...fucking 40 degrees during Operation Menace
Now stuff yourself in that heat with non-summer uniforms 💀
tough quail
Yikes
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cuz the sleeves off
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Her crew is likely cooking to death too
worse case she gets yummy food
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Now stuff yourself in that heat with non-summer uniforms 💀
Richy is now a nude beach
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tfw no grilling skin for rich
we can fix this
tough quail
eternal veldt
Put a grill in her swimsuit skin
Problem solved
On that note, please make AL Montcalm an actual good cook
Considering how puzzled the US men are when they looked at her
"Six fucking galleys, how many do you need?"
Shame about [current event]
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subtle prawn
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shoulda gave em to the Soviets for Gulag treatment
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Why? That was actually one of the few nice generals IIRC.
shut wren
Oh I forgot to read it I though he ordered the war crimes
but yea If he was a nice guy and It was the dumbasses below him doing the crimes
let the man live
tough quail
yeah this one was pretty
questionable
because by this logic there's basically no argument not to swing macarthur by a noose
which hey that works too
spiral cedar
There are guys who were worse who got away with it. That’s different from whether he, as commander in charge, did not do enough to stop it
Because you also don’t really want a legal standard that is “well, as long as I don’t tell you to commit war crimes, I can’t be held accountable” for field commanders
spiral cedar
Yamashita’s case is definitely a borderline one but that’s why it matters—it’s setting a standard of where to draw the line
In a normal domestic criminal case this sort of thing would usually be a lesser charge, but when the charge is over thousands of people dying, anything less than execution or life imprisonment is going to “feel” wrong to the victims’ families
tough quail
yeah, fair enough
thorn trail
but yea If he was a nice guy and It was the dumbasses below him doing the crimes
One of his dumbasses below him is the reason Manila was destroyed to pieces because they were stubborn to actually retreat
thorn trail
iirc Manila along with Warsaw became the most devastated city in WW2 because of that dumbass who ignored Yamashita's order to retreat to the north
shut wren
what about stalingrad
thorn trail
what about stalingrad
Iirc Manila was more devastated because the Americans had to pummel the entire city with artillery due to Intramuros
Which was a fort
shut wren
spiral cedar
What was it, 100K dead in Manila because the Japanese fought to keep it?
thorn trail
That dumbass who didn't pull out of Manila
also like didn't like Yamashita because he was Navy
lol
thorn trail
What was it, 100K dead in Manila because the Japanese fought to keep it?
more iirc
eternal veldt
Classic IJA/IJN spat
thorn trail
All I remember is the college my friend is in had like something like 5k prisoners murdered
shut wren
It was difficult to move POWs and they shot em
thorn trail
It didn't help that the majority of Philippine buildings are wood
So a combination of bombings and artillery
shut wren
The death rate for Chinese POWs captured by Japan was nearly 100%
thorn trail
Was not a good thing for Manila
shut wren
They only released 57 or 56
thorn trail
Actually wait hold up let me remember what was said to me when I went to Intramuros
something like 3k people died in 1 hospital alone
thorn trail
*hell*
Very. To this day iirc there are still some mass graves that are found that date to ww2
deep apex
Overall, chance of death in Japanese custody was 27% for allied pows
For the Germans and Italians, it was 4%
Not to mention
hell ships
shut wren
almost 100% for chinese Pow's because they just didn't give a shit
deep apex
I should clarify that was on average for the whole war
But I imagine that was what drove it up a good amount
shut wren
Yes for the full war,almost 100%,56 were released
deep apex
I'm not talking about just Chinese here
deep apex
Yeah
On average throughout the war, Allied pows had a 27% of dying in Japanese custody
For allied pows in German and Italian custody, it was 4%
deep apex
By the way, those numbers don't include civilian deaths
for either the Japanese or the Germans and Italians
shut wren
For civilian deaths would we count the ones under occupation or whole population
eternal veldt
One main issue is that the Japanese soldiers themselves are pretty fucked in the head
No thanks to the brutal training they receive
deep apex
While allied propaganda painted the Japanese as subhuman
strong plank
the military hierarchy was fucked yea
deep apex
The Japanese propaganda painted the allies as inhuman
Like demons and monsters
eternal veldt
The defilement of bodies is also based on beliefs that an "incomplete" human cannot come back to haunt them
There was a paper on this, over the Kanto Earthquake's treatment of Koreans
shut wren
The Japanese propaganda painted the allies as *inhuman*
Like demons and monste...
Iirc they painted US marines like demons who will eat yo babies if you surrendered
deep apex
Iirc they painted US marines like demons who will eat yo babies if you surrender...
Yes
That's one of the reasons why they treated them like this
Because when hell ships sank, the crew would sabotage any little hope the prisoners had of escaping so that the "demons" they so desperately feared would be guaranteed to go down with the ship
eternal veldt
Enjoy. Thanks to jaba.
shut wren
Yes
That's one of the reasons why they treated them like this
*Because when h...
I also remembered the axis had wild plans
wary osprey
Jeez
subtle prawn
thorn trail
Iirc they painted US marines like demons who will eat yo babies if you surrender...
Wasn't this one of the reasons the Japanese soldiers forced a lot of Okinawans to commit suicide
deep apex
Yes
eternal veldt
The populace was pretty much brainwashed to believe that at that point
Hence why Downfall, if it actually happens, would be such a massive dystopian shitshow for both sides
subtle prawn
tough quail
to be fair as dope as starfighters are
he was uh, right to oppose it
given the comedic casualty rate
scarlet ledge
he was uh, right to oppose it
classic MIC corruption moment
lockheed when no one wants the f104 for pretty good reasons so they just bribe them lmao
desert agate
Single engined fighter moment
scarlet ledge
when the country that wants a capable low altitude fighter-bomber doesn't want the f104 (very unsuitable for low altitude fighter bombing operations) 😡 🤬
the F-104 gained a notorious reputation as a ‘widow maker’ thanks to an attrition rate of 30 percent with the Luftwaffe and of 46 percent with the RCAF/CAF. The loss rate for the Lockheed F-104 in both the Dutch and Belgian service was around 35 percent
ivory ridge
Skill issue
maiden citrus
literally
ivory ridge
Me looking at the last Italian f-104 being retired in the 2000s 👁️
amber abyss
shut wren
Wasn't this one of the reasons the Japanese soldiers forced a lot of Okinawans t...
I remembered They "guided" (forced) Okinawans to Jump off the cliff,Forgot its name.
scarlet ledge
most effective interrogator in nazi germany
relies on friendliness and camaraderie
so successful the US incorporates his methods into their own interrogation
becomes famous and highly successful mosaic artist in the US
Sigma lifestyle
terse panther
>most effective interrogator in nazi germany
>relies on friendliness and camarad...
just had this pop up on my YT shorts like 10 minutes ago
manic latch
@spring briar
shut wren
Yay premium baguette boat
shut wren
They better let me use my basket of baguettes
amber abyss
T-34(TOW)
subtle prawn
shut wren
how about 20mm or 23mm Rifle
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
subtle prawn
maiden citrus
based
scarlet ledge
there's been so many jets flying over my school over the past couple days for the airshow next week
my goal this time is to get a photo with an F-35 and F-22 driver
5 seconds after i type this i see a formation of super hornets or something
scarlet ledge
i wish those three men the best of luck lol
maiden citrus
shut wren
Grabs shotgun
scarlet ledge
too bad you don't have one since you're definitely in new york rn
i am so sorry for your loss
i pray for your eventual leaving of Queens NY
shut wren
rapid junco
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1078797017452658770/33...
Imperial Marinheiro to be sold 
maiden citrus
oh no, they're so cute
rapid junco
She was a museum since 2014
Then in 2022 she suffered something similar to USS The Sullivans
Actually, it happened 10 days after The Sullivans
maiden citrus
nooooo
rapid junco
Well
For now there's only Solimões as museum
Of her class that is
And we have Caboclo as well
But Caboclo is on the active service
Although Solimões seems to have moved since i dunno when
To be docked for repairs
She was (Imperial Marinheiro) the leadship of her class
desert agate
5 seconds after i type this i see a formation of super hornets or something
Victorian?
scarlet ledge
Victorian?
Potentially
desert agate
Lethal force engaged
Jkjk
Went to Avalon in 2019
Was fuckin awesome
Got special access to the F-22s perks of being in the AAFC
scarlet ledge
Yeah i went in 2019 as well
Shit was insane
The first time i got close to combat aircraft
The autism was going off the charts trust me
desert agate
Spewing that I lost all my pictures but I can't afford to fly to the other side of the country to get more
I might go 2025
remote monolith
remote monolith
Alamosaurus range did overlap with the rex, so this encounter is entirely possible, aaand with the rex being unsuited to hunt Sauropods,
you most likely get a flattened theropod
as a nostagia bait
used to cry a lot in this scene
maiden citrus
hits diff as an adult tbh
desert agate
Italian fleet at Taranto
manic latch
tough quail
that was fucking quick
tough quail
actual Italian mod driving up to gaijin in the first test vehicle
put it in
manic latch
My blood pressure when a guy in War thunder stream chat calling Yak-141 F-35 knockoff
tough quail
they used a chronosphere to steal the f-35
but yeah funny snail patch
we now live in the world where the counter to the f-14 is
checks notes
a fucking yak
manic latch
Russian bias
tough quail
who would win, a future science navy fighter built entirely around a radar the size of the moon controlled by an analogue monument to mans hubris and disdain for god
or this weird floating rectangle with four R-27ERs strapped to it
ivory ridge
actual Italian mod driving up to gaijin in the first test vehicle
put it in
I'm not even sure which version this is
Cuz there are 3
tough quail
are there? i never got around to reading up on the upgrade pack because my brain has been dedicated to cars and jets lately
shut wren
Bruh the nevada looks op asf
ivory ridge
are there? i never got around to reading up on the upgrade pack because my brain...
PT1-Hull only upgrades, so engine and transmission
PT2-Turret upgrades, so optics
PT3, both together
zealous vine
ivory ridge
What's dumb is that it has no smoke grenades or machine guns on top, because the prototype doesnt have them
shut wren
Ayo dev server finally open????!??!?!
tough quail
goofy
shut wren
Yall know those A-6TRAM mfs right
tough quail
i always enjoy entruders
shut wren
Pain in the ass to deal With If you got a shitty Mig bruh
Only good thing is that when you head on they use missiles only
ivory ridge
tough quail
based
shut wren
damn the update is 6GBs
shut wren
"french Cruiser Dugay"
tough quail
snail momento
ivory ridge
shut wren
CN tree getting new sabers
tough quail
last known russian main trying to hold off a flock of lancasters after everyone switches over to the UK
shut wren
Somehow a Lancaster Survived bombing a base and Returning to Airfield and not getting blowing out the sky by a A-10
in 9.3
tough quail
the a in a-10 stands for air superiority
shut wren
I was giving a example
tough quail
ye im rolling with it
shut wren
Fella,Why did the snail choose 1.0,1.3,1.7 ETC for the BR rating
shut wren
Yall know those A-6TRAM mfs right
Theres also a short frame of time between disengaging in the headon with the A-6 TRAM that you can cannon his ass
tough quail
la creatura
shut wren
stupid Ideas:Impossible modernization
we make a Mark V and strap all the modern shit on it
put 3rd Gen ERA on that mf
manic latch
What's dumb is that it has no smoke grenades or machine guns on top, because the...
Call Italian MOD to put it
Can be added with research module later
shut wren
Perfect day to dive bomb with Pe-8
tough quail
hilarious
shut wren
Send a few Stuka bois
huh
shut wren
new prem boat
manic latch
@maiden citrus
shut wren
the american one
manic latch
the american one
Nah man that flag is Chinese
shut wren
tf
ivory ridge
it's a worse version of the TT
shut wren
Its not like im Buying it
spring briar
Sadly I cant test it as I dont play US naval lmao
shut wren
<:FaceTheWall:1018449940093079552>
Pew
manic latch
Tho I'm happy for new Ariete
Abrams X, Armata, Kf-51 is likely confirmed now
And Challenger 3 of course
spring briar
shut wren
Somebody at snail Inc is gonna fix a texture and some how a R-27 would go Light speed
maiden citrus
Nevada in all her glory, maybe
ivory ridge
Abrams X, Armata, Kf-51 is likely confirmed now
bro what
manic latch
Isn't this Italian baby is from 2022
manic latch
tribal mortar
are there gaps in the add-on armor where the dozer blade is attached? 
tough quail
to be fair kremlin is right anyway
they're going to have to add brand new shit or tons of weird prototypes before long
or ground just stops getting content
shrewd pecan
Abrams X, Armata, Kf-51 is likely confirmed now
kremlin
we don't even have god damn SEPV2 yet
T-14 literally has a 1000 MM pen hyper dart
and we have almost nothing on Abrams X and KF-51
no none of those are coming anytime soon
ah they straight up put in a F-4 premium with better missiles than the F-4J
tough quail
yeap
shut wren
Which tree is it
shrewd pecan
the F-2 is a 2000s fighter
with a AESA
AMRAAM equivalents
AIM-9X equivalents
there getting a rejected F-16A prototype
called the F-16AJ
shut wren
shut wren
Tornado F3 for GB
shrewd pecan
probably coming for italy as well
ivory ridge
probably coming for italy as well
not this patch
shut wren
I dont see one so prob not this update
shrewd pecan
ah
ivory ridge
shut wren
F-4S gets 8AAMs at once bruh
manic latch
we don't even have god damn SEPV2 yet
Ye I know that. But having prototype and brand new vehicles like this is laying the groundwork for them
So before 2030 I think we will see them
2027 even perhaps
L
shrewd pecan
no
shut wren
Damn It kinda sucks that progress I make on Live server wont carry over to Dev
shrewd pecan
there's a vast difference between the Ariete modernizations
and the T-14 or abrams X
manic latch
Even Chal 3?
shrewd pecan
o chally 3 would work rn
shrewd pecan
since its just a modernization of the chally 2
manic latch
Black Night> Megatron > Chal 3
chilly osprey
I would make a comment about how we can't add tanks we don't know the armor schemes of
But then again
The armor schemes of most of the high tier tanks are just whatever Gaijin deems plausible
shrewd pecan
they've given every DU abrams the Swedish export armor scheme
and haven't bothered switching it at all for any of the abrams
so we have like
4 different Abrams with the exact same armor
manic latch
shrewd pecan
🤨 I don't think the M1A2 and M1A2 SEP would have the same armor as the M1A1HC
nor do I think the M1A1 AIM would have the same armor as the SEP
shut wren
Yak 141 looks like F-4 body
ivory ridge
nor do I think the M1A1 AIM would have the same armor as the SEP
they all use similar enough armor addons
for the game it's enough
shut wren
Like Im ever gonna get there lmao
shrewd pecan
we now live in the world where the counter to the f-14 is
does it get active radar R-27s?
tough quail
R-27Rs and PESA iirc
amber abyss
shut wren
Gotta test that brb
shrewd pecan
ah
it only took them
a entire year to add a F-14 counter
and its still worse than the F-14
tho I can't wait for the YAK-141 and F-14 to both be the top aircraft in the game
because they both get active radar homing missiles
shut wren
explain how Active Radar homing Missile are different from the other ones please
shrewd pecan
so
SARH or semi activate radar homing missiles
you have to maintain a radar lock on the target plane the entire time the missile is on way
which activates their RWR
tough quail
gaijoob just needs to stop being cuckolds and put the R-77s in
tough quail
but quad R-27ERs will do
shrewd pecan
switch between targets rapidly and launch a active radar missile at each target
they'll get a brief radar ping
then nothing
shrewd pecan
active radar homing are F&F essentially
since we don't have the missiles with datalink yet
shut wren
shrewd pecan
once the 16s get their AMRAAMs
they can maintain a radar lock or a TWS lock to provide target location data to the AMRAAM
tho they can break the lock whenever
not sure about the R-27ERs tho the AIM-54s only really work either at attitude
or against a unaware target
additionally you have to get the target at a ideal distance
so main strat for the F-14 is to climb above 3k meters
wait for targets to get within 25-27 clicks
then just fling however many 54s you have at them
then switch to your AIM-7s and just crank
shut wren
shrewd pecan
idk how this is going to go down on the YAK-141
since the main drawback of that thing is only having 4 missiles
shut wren
Like the other Yak-38s
shrewd pecan
🤨 tho considering the average tomcat pilot you could easily get 2-4 free kills a game by just climbing against them until they wise up and actually learn how to notch/crank
shut wren
Let me just Fight Tomcats with my Mig-17 great Idea
How counter F-104s with Mig-17as pls help
shrewd pecan
idk
I don't fly soviet planes
nor did I ever bother with my F-104s
I am #F-4phantomgang
tough quail
f-14 pilots are kind of terrible
shrewd pecan
through the sure stupidness of their aircraft every 3rd game they fight will end up with them having like 4+ kills
but their first two games will always be a 0-1 or 1-1
tough quail
i've been pretty much watching vae maul 2-3 of them per match guaranteed with just a mig-23ml for like
two weeks now
shrewd pecan
idk there like
the sole reason the F-14 is not 12.0
and it really should be
12.0
humble mulch
Hey guys reminder #other-games exist, please go there
tough quail
#who
tribal mortar
12.0
Well people honestly just use it because they are 1. Good with it, capable of making it do what it’s best at. Or 2. Because they suck and just want to be a topgun fanboy
shrewd pecan
its literally the best aircraft in game
tribal mortar
Other than the F-16 and the Mig-29
shrewd pecan
and its lower than the 16 that only gets sidewinders
no it is better than both of them
tough quail
mig-29s fairly debatable
tribal mortar
Yeah, I can see why tho.
shrewd pecan
🤨 you literally get 6 AIM-7s or AIM-54
tough quail
f-16 no not really