then quad Bofor is still very good and cheap for any ship with 100%
#history
lime belfry
why would anyone recommend 25mm lol ? it expensive to make and it offers nothing a normal craft gear can do
if anything it one of the least important AA u want to make
but yeah off topic
ivory ridge
twin 90mm is a quad bofors but better ingame
lime belfry
no gold 25mm is worth to craft use in the game over others
unless u really want to go for that 100% immersive gear experience
eternal veldt
lime belfry
if I want a fast firing AA to buff my firing rate
i would just take a pom pom, it free
eternal veldt
Oh, and the 3"/50 RF is done dirty in game too
Why yes, literally made to shred planes with VT fuzes
You know what, medicore gold will do
lime belfry
it actually 2nd best accelerator in game
but not worth crafting due to being too expensive to craft
and there is a cheaper one
not as good but if u purely want to accelerate fire rate u can get a cheaper one
because AL AA mechanic is just average of every AA stats on each ship combined
it kinda suck into this whole "Let put the slowest but big dick AA gun into highest RLD ship"
and put the fastest but pea shooter aa gun into BB
that why Roomba and Six Bofor is just so good because one has large range, highest dmg but low reload
the other has short range, highest dmg but fast reload
kinda balance it other
maybe one day they will rework AA but ehhh, they dont even fix VT fuze
which is the worst kind of AA in game currently
delicate beacon
ivory ridge
alpine onyx
ugh
ivory ridge
lime belfry
looks close enough
manic latch
Oh, and the 3"/50 RF is done dirty in game too
Gotta wait for British one now
Ones on Hms Tiger
lime belfry
wait for brit 18 inch gun
ivory ridge
Gotta wait for British one now
Oh you mean the Oto 76 -weegee 
ivory ridge
delicate beacon
ivory ridge
Future Smolensk
manic latch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/889373466900430889/160...
Perfect
ivory ridge
Italian supership with 76mm guns waiting room
delicate beacon
But Italians didn't have a 76mm? That's USN and UK calibre size
Look at Minotaur and Edgar, they have 76mm
delicate beacon
alpine onyx
Day 87 of posting OTO Melaras where they do not belong
delicate beacon
Only 87?
delicate beacon
We can fix Celebes
alpine onyx
With a bigger 6head?
manic latch
Hmm
Seems Turkey is going full drone/unmanned ways for future ambition
TB3s and Kizilelmas for Anadolu, drone attack boat thingies, now this submarine
ivory ridge
🍉 
lime belfry
90mm OTO actually decent in AL
delicate beacon
Buster wen
lime belfry
Bofor 152mm when ???
delicate beacon
Which one
chilly osprey
90mm is a decent gun, just kind of too small to be heavy AA
Granted as far as I can tell it had a larger bursting charge than the HE on the 10cm Type 98...
frigid karma
Italy has no AA guns from after 1939
Correct, the British colonized Italy in 1943 and all their 76mm guns became officially British
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
truly
subtle prawn
exotic scarab
Turns out
There was actually a debate between Spain and the swedes on who was more goth in the Renaissance
Sweden claimed direct descendents and the spainish said it was only the lazy goths that stayed
subtle prawn
deep apex
Their armor wasn't all that impressive if you actually look
Tbf their modernizations weren't standardized either
frigid karma
Their armor *wasn't all that impressive if you actually look*
well, no
silver is pointing out how both have the same rating
despite Wichita belt being twice as thick
ivory ridge
the problem is more that
shit with less armor is now medium
like Foch
now Foch and all her sisters will be medium
while the entire trento class is light because Trento was released in 2019
frigid karma
undie, that sounds ridiculous
now you'll be telling me that torpedoes do more damage to large heavily armored warships with TDS
than DDs
deep apex
Fun fact: the Trentos needed to lower their guns to 15° elevation after firing at max elevation due to lack of power ramming.
ivory ridge
they arent the only class that couldnt reload at max elevation 
idk why you're singling them out for that
frigid karma
most guns dont reload at max elevation
rapid junco
frigid karma
<:u47Think:588629717628878878>
least clickbait the front video
rapid junco
I wouldnt say clickbait
I would say the thumbnail is bad made
Like
Fleet Air Arm aircraft with the US Flag
deep apex
they arent the only class that couldnt reload at max elevation <:Pepega:75744756...
I'm just saying a fun fact but okay
Not trying to single them out
ivory ridge
frigid karma
I wouldnt say clickbait
I would say the thumbnail is bad made
eh, the title is still clickbaity imo
generally randomly capitalized words are a sign of that
rapid junco
His early thumbnails were thrash
Like, the one about the Toulon scuttling
chilly osprey
Fun fact: the Trentos needed to lower their guns to 15° elevation after firing a...
The guns were power rammed (function was electrical)
deep apex
Oh?
chilly osprey
Yeah
deep apex
chilly osprey
Fixed elevation loading isn't dependent on whether the guns were power rammed or not
deep apex
that so?
chilly osprey
Ex, literally every US 8"/55 prior to those used by DM also had to be loaded at a fixed angle (+9° on the full turrets, +5° on the older mounts)
All of these were power-rammed
deep apex
chilly osprey
In fact, it's somewhat noteworthy that the Italian 203/53 was the only 8" gun prior to DM's that was designed to load at any angle, despite the fact that pretty much every 203mm gun of the 1920s and 30s was power rammed (which is part of why it was such a major improvement over the 203/50)
chilly osprey
Np
frigid karma
@spiral cedarDoes NJ's 406s have negative immune zones on H39?
Im not sure if you've done an immune zone calc for those, i got into an argument with someone over how Georgia/NJ would shit on H39 and the discussion moved to penetration charts
spiral cedar
I haven’t done it for the deck I don’t think, but it is probably negative broadside-on yes
frigid karma
I''m well aware of how they would've torn apart biscuit and h39 has 20mm less on the belt, but i dont know how the horizontal protection would work
a visual chart would be nice
im talking to a redditor, they can't "reddit"
spiral cedar
@frigid karma This is old but should give an idea
**Immune zone - 25000-21000 yards (-4000 yards wide)**
"Completely" immune zone - 35000-15000, 20000, 21000 yards (-18000 yards wide) [no holing of main belt or main armor deck]```i posted the whole thing to make myself sound more impressive
frigid karma
yeah, ill bring that up in case he tries to start more arguments
like with bears, when encountering wild redditors you have to make your text box seem bigger to scare them off
frigid karma
Im not sure if you've done an immune zone calc for those, i got into an argument...
Eeeyup, they hit me with the “it’s just a game bro”
no counter play devs plz nerf
shrewd pecan
eternal veldt
Tbf their modernizations weren't standardized either
Warspite is quite literally the prototype for the entire reconstruction effort of Royal Navy Battleships and Battlecruisers during the entire interwar period.
That is no reason for AL to do rigging differently, with a 10+ year difference.
shrewd pecan
eternal veldt
Their armor *wasn't all that impressive if you actually look*
And Unde pointed out the exact problem: The Suffrens and Duquesnes are piss poorly armoured - and they receive a medium armour rating nonetheless. Trento and Trieste are relatively well armoured compared to them.
That's like saying the Hawkins are trash cruisers compared to say, Norfolk - construction efforts and requirements scaled and paced very rapidly during those years
lime belfry
sad fact is that even if Wichita, Trento and Trieste is medium, heavy armor, not alot of people would use them in high end maps
which kinda suck but that the elite curse
stats dont matter as much as skills
frigid karma
powercreep is a bitch
lime belfry
like even Drake is getting a reserve seat for a lot of vet players
simply because there are like 7 or so CB and CA that are just straight up better
frigid karma
like even Drake is getting a reserve seat for a lot of vet players
drake was kind of mid from the beginning
lime belfry
powercreep is a bitch
also I hate the idea that AL design gun CA and torp CA
frigid karma
because Azuma existed
yeah a lot of things balance wise are fucked
lemme list them
lime belfry
like literally, the moment u are torp CA suddenly all your secondary gun is gone
frigid karma
MGM+1 basically invalidates half the CAs or CLs in game
lime belfry
but for some reasons Dishwasher CA has powerful ghost secondary guns
frigid karma
CL / CA guns are pure dogshit compared to DD guns
which was FINE because DDs had shit stats
until powercreep
so the top tier vanguard guns are now all DDs basically
actually this isnt history, im getting into a rant
marceau
looks like a deformed baguette
chilly osprey
IMO, it has to be said that the Trento-class do very well for themselves, in terms of protection, for 1st generation treaty ships.
A 70mm belt is not brilliant but not awful, but theirs is a full-length one that covers the entire citadel, and it's topped by a 50mm deck, which is excellent even by late 1930s design cruisers. They also come with well protected barbettes (70mm) and turrets (100mm faces!).
eternal veldt
Actually, IIRC, Pensacola isn't that well armoured either - 76mm belt, I believe?
chilly osprey
64mm, actually, and only abreast the machinery spaces
Magazines have a box protection, which gets up to 102mm on the sides
eternal veldt
What the fuck is that Northampton layout
lime belfry
so the top tier vanguard guns are now all DDs basically
it is to balance DD
chilly osprey
Top is Myoko, middle is Duquesne & Trento, bottom is Kent
lime belfry
because DD in game are glass cannon
CL is balanced around having lower DPS and surviability
but cool support skills
CA and CB are just meat steak that soak dmg
eternal veldt
I still find it weird that Britain decided to just squeeze the HA magazine in between the boilers on the Counties.
chilly osprey
I mean, if the guns are amidships, it makes sense
Easier for ammunition replentishment
cinder escarp
What the fuck is that Northampton layout
The struggles of having to build a ship to WNT limits, while remaining competitive, and having endurance for a pacific war with few bases.
chilly osprey
But, tbh, Northampton's armor scheme is definitely better than Pensacola's
cinder escarp
You'll note the other power building their cruisers to have that much endurance (for pacific war with few bases) simply didn't really even try to follow WNT limits.
chilly osprey
Please note they actually gave armor protection to the fire control center on Northampton, while on Pensacola they were given thoughts and prayers
cinder escarp
Pensacola was originally considered a big CL before WNT forced it to be renamed
eternal veldt
Applied to France too, actually
chilly osprey
I mean, so was Northampton, and Trento, and Zara, and all the French cruisers
They were quite literally all light cruisers
eternal veldt
Large Light cruise-wait, wrong era
chilly osprey
It's a Light Armored Cruiser
I mean, they actually did briefly change the designation to Armored Cruiser before 'heavy cruiser' became a term
But Heavy cruiser just indicates that they're light cruisers with guns larger than 155mm
And only exists because of the LNT of 1930
chilly osprey
Cue the: all heavy cruisers are light cruisers, but not all light cruisers are heavy cruisers.
cinder escarp
I am still trying to figure out how Zara counts as either "light armored" or a "light 'armored cruiser'". She's a big girl carrying basically the heaviest protection of any interwar cruiser.
eternal veldt
Still dont like Pola's superstructure 
ivory ridge
AL should've made the second Zara class ingame Fiume instead of Pola
because it doesnt make sense for Zara and Pola to look that similar
chilly osprey
I mean, keep in mind, that was just the ship type in general. 'Light' in this case was relative to the regular armored cruisers that were literally miniature battleships
lime belfry
To be fair we dont even know what Fiume gonna look like
eternal veldt
It could get worse
chilly osprey
In terms of an actual ship type, all the 'heavy' cruisers up to even the Des Moines-class are light cruisers - it's just that after 1930, because of the treaty system, a new category was introduced to descrive light cruisers with guns larger than 155mm.
ivory ridge
To be fair we dont even know what Fiume gonna look like
Yunsang is too busy with Agir and Taihou content to release more ships
eternal veldt
"Trade Protection" and "Fleet Action" type light cruisers for the UK
cinder escarp
I mean, keep in mind, that was just the ship type in general. 'Light' in this ca...
At the time of Zara being built what even 'armored cruiser' was being considered? There were none in service.
eternal veldt
Thats a wormhole I havent explored yet
maiden citrus
Actually, IIRC, Pensacola isn't that well armoured either - 76mm belt, I believe...
4'' on magazines but only 2.5'' on engines, as shown, which is, le shrug
chilly osprey
Actually there were a bunch of armored cruisers in service with most of the major navies well into the 1930s
ivory ridge
Italy still had a couple of ACRs
lime belfry
Yunsang is too busy with Agir and Taihou content to release more ships
that just mean he an active artist and more boats gonna be made by him
cinder escarp
Sure, they still had the ACRs but they were all hilariously outdated
lime belfry
meanwhile, the artist that drew Mainz is unactive as hell
eternal veldt
Wasnt San Giorgio used as a 90mm testing platform?
ivory ridge
Sure, they still had the ACRs but they were all hilariously outdated
still more armored than the cruisers of the time lol
what was the last ACR built
chilly osprey
Sure, they still had the ACRs but they were all hilariously outdated
Sure, but it was also the closest point of reference for a cruiser that was heavily armored and intended to take on the role of being sort of a mini-battleship
lime belfry
so far
ivory ridge
well duh
lime belfry
Yorck is actually decent "CA" in game
maiden citrus
give me the acrs al
chilly osprey
Basically "wow, this thing has a 150mm belt and is meant to be a stand-in for the battle line because battleships too slow, I guess we should stop calling it a 'light' armored cruiser?"
cinder escarp
still more armored than the cruisers of the time lol
San Georgio is only mildly better armored in vertical protection, and that is in raw thickness. Zara has better angling and 20 years better armor quality.
maiden citrus
what was the last ACR built
actually don't know the answer to that, interested to know myself now
eternal veldt
Maka trying to get the Tennessees
chilly osprey
Probably Blucher?
lime belfry
she 's dogshit lol
ehh I level her and I say she is wayyyy easier to level than some CA i wont mention
cus that trigger people
maiden citrus
several tenns and pennys survived into ww2 yeah
chilly osprey
Laid down in 1907 and completed in 1909
maiden citrus
there's a pic of one in ny harbor in 44 even
frigid karma
ehh I level her and I say she is wayyyy easier to level than some CA i wont ment...
who?
eternal veldt
Honestly though, would love to see Georgios Averof
lime belfry
for some reasons Foch has lower EVA than Yorck
chilly osprey
Ah, well, actually there is also the Ibuki-class with fucked up construction times competing with Blucher
lime belfry
less health
ivory ridge
Honestly though, would love to see Georgios Averof
monkey paw: italian ship
frigid karma
well, they're all purple too
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
Somehow Ibuki was completed in two years while her sister took six
maiden citrus
yeah the ijn ones were kinda funky
hence why I was like, I don't actually know without looking
chilly osprey
Ah, wait, actually, that gets explained right below
lime belfry
well, they're all purple too
ehh all USS CA elite are easy to level
they survive 12-4 well enough
chilly osprey
Granted, it is wikipedia, but;
Construction of both ships was delayed by a lack of facilities at their shipyards, a shortage of appropriately trained workers and their low priority for building. Kurama's lengthy building time at Yokosuka Naval Arsenal was due to priority given to the building of the battleships Kawachi and Settsu and the repair and reconstruction of the ex-Russian ships captured after the Battle of Tsushima. Ibuki had to wait to have her keel laid until the slipway used by the battleship Aki became available after Aki was launched. Kure Naval Arsenal took advantage of the delay with Ibuki to stockpile material and components and set a record between keel-laying and launching of five months, a figure only bettered by Portsmouth Naval Dockyard when they built the battleship Dreadnought in only four months. The decision to switch from reciprocating engines to turbines in Ibuki and Aki was not made until five days after Ibuki's launching and thereafter she received priority over the battleship so that she was completed less than two years later, the first ship in the Imperial Japanese Navy to use steam turbines. In fact, construction on Aki was completely halted for about five months in favor of Ibuki because the former's turbines were late and the cruiser was better suited to serve as the testbed for the new technology.
lime belfry
not need to babysit
eternal veldt
Speaking of that, Ive seen a couple sources indicating that the ACR class names are to be reused entirely for thr Ibuki CAs
maiden citrus
probably gun amount issues I imagine
eternal veldt
i.e. Hull no. 301 is going to be Kurama
Sussy at best, but claimed in more than 1 "source"
maiden citrus
ah it's more messed up than one could imagine
maiden citrus
I knew the kawachi's were around at that time and we know the weirdness they got into
chilly osprey
Yup
Should have just stuck with all /45's...
Actually, while we're on this period
Something I find rather interesting, considering both were intermediate naval powers in the period, is that the way the Italians and Japanese organized their fleets was quite similar
Ex, this was the IJN's order of battle in late 1911;
1st Division is made up of the four most modern battleships (all with relatively similar characteristics), while the 2nd Division is made up the four most modern armored cruisers, which are not too far off the battleships in combat strength, and also relatively homogenous in performance.
Rounding this out is the 3rd Division, a reserve squadron made up of four of the next most modern battleships, albeit substantially weaker than those of the 1st Divsion
The RM's order of battle in late 1911 is structured very similarly;
The 1st Squadron very much resembles what Japan did with its Fleet Squadron, grouping the four most modern battleships in the 1st Division, and the four most modern armored cruisers in the 2nd Divison, all of which have very similar characteristics (thus producing homogenous divisions).
The 2nd Squadron then makes up a slower 'reserve' fleet, made up of the rest of the battleships - older and inferior types - along with a division of armored cruisers to support them as a fast wing in the same way the 1st Fleet has its own armored cruiser division.
maiden citrus
homogenous division... delicious
chilly osprey
And then meanwhile the MN, even if it's not exactly RN or KM sized by 1911, is still quite large;
That is two battleship squadrons of six battleships each, plus a six-strong armored cruiser squadron, in the first fleet
spiral cedar
What was the first French battleship designed and built with rangefinders, director firing, and some sort of rangekeeper
(This excludes refits after completion)
deep apex
because it doesnt make sense for Zara and Pola to look that similar
Besides from the bridge, the bow on Pola is more faired in. This would sort of explain their difference in dress while overall being the same class
chilly osprey
I think the first French battleship actually built with a director system would be Dunkerque
ivory ridge
Besides from the bridge, the bow on Pola is more faired in. This would sort of e...
Yeah but my problem is with them looking the same other than a color swap
when a) pola didnt look the same as the others
chilly osprey
But rangefinders and rangekeepers would probably be the Danton's or Courbet's
ivory ridge
and most importantly
b)
eternal veldt
ivory ridge
Zara and Fiume were actual twins irl
when it comes to launch date
Like it couldve been a nice reference
spiral cedar
But rangefinders and rangekeepers would probably be the Danton's or Courbet's
Any info on the rangekeepers they used before 1920
chilly osprey
Zara and Fiume are the closest siblings in appearance, aside from Fiume's unique main battery directors
deep apex
Yeah but my problem is with them looking the same other than a color swap
Because despite that, the hull being different and slightly different placement of things like gun directors, they were still basically the same
ivory ridge
My brother in christ
deep apex
I was reading down
chilly osprey
Gorizia and Pola also notably have the first dual-purpose fire control systems in the RM
deep apex
I was reading down. Took me some time
eternal veldt
They use Barr and Stroud systems /s
chilly osprey
Hence the different secondary battery directors on the forward superstructure versus Zara and Fiume
chilly osprey
Any info on the rangekeepers they used before 1920
Ah, right, so the Danton's were fitted with rangefinders from the start (Barr & Stroud FQ2 2-meter)
As far as rangekeepers
chilly osprey
Hmm
So, reviewing the material I have, it doesn't seem like they had a direct equivalent to the American Range-keeper until after the war
The first truly centralized fire control system for the MN was trialed 1912-13. The first ships to be built with it were the Courbet-class, because they were then fitting out and could be modified to accept it. At the center of these fire control centers (Poste à calcul, or 'PC') was the Le Prieur mechanical computer, which was a range-time plotter similar to the Britih Dreyer Table (but was a vertical rather than horizontal system).
The Bretagne-class was built with this system.
maiden citrus
interesting
chilly osprey
The dreadnoughts started to be modernized with a new system in 1922, the PC Mle 1922, which was designed to better account for long-range fire, and Friedman does seem to describe this as a mostly equivalent system to a rangekeeper?
maiden citrus
vertical rather than horizontal huh
chilly osprey
chilly osprey
vertical rather than horizontal huh
Yeah, you can actually see the impact this had on computer design elsewhere in Europe. The Italians also used vertical computers based on their experience with the Le Prieur computer, and the Germans lifted the same habit off of the Italians in the interwar era.
maiden citrus
stuff like that is actually fascinating
chilly osprey
Jordan & Caresse actual have an appendix dealing with the PC Mle 1922;
ofc it posted sideways
There we go
As for the original system
maiden citrus
chilly osprey
Let me repost that last page - my desk lamp's glare really messed with the top left of the page
chilly osprey
Yeah, you can actually see the impact this had on computer design elsewhere in E...
Much vertical
lime belfry
Zara and Fiume were actual twins irl
people gonna mald if Fiume turns out to be Zara 2.0
same red hair, same hair style, just shy personality instead of Ara Ara
basically Honolulu 3.0
lime belfry
yeah u were saying u disliked the fact Pola and Zara looked almost identical
and Fiume should have been Pola if they looked that similar, because Pola looks different irl
but what happened if the next italian event, Fiume is Zara just with a different personality
ivory ridge
lime belfry
kinda remind me of the Manchester identity crisis sometimes ago
when people had a conspiracy that Manchester was supposed to be Emerald but then devs decided to be like "nah, u know what, let pick Manchester"
which turned out to have some basis I guess ? Because later her necklace was changed to manchester
so who knows, maybe Pola was indeed Fiume but then devs changed her name last min or something
ivory ridge
so who knows, maybe Pola was indeed Fiume but then devs changed her name last mi...
unlikely, the second half of that event are based on Matapan where Pola being disabled is a major part of the engagement
lime belfry
"conspiracy theory"
it probably started from here
then spread to reddit
I read it from reddit
ivory ridge
Fiume was also sunk in that battle but Pola was the center of the action
lime belfry
because yeah I get it, she has green eyes, emerald necklace
but no one has concrete proof the art is for emerald
ivory ridge
literal floating emeralds
lime belfry
and it was changed last minutes for manchester
ivory ridge
literally HMS EMERALD COAT OF ARMS
ivory ridge
there is theory and there is "conspiracy theory"
conspiracy implies it was done for some malicious reason
lime belfry
sry for my understanding of english then
I mean theory
I thought conspiracy = theory
it like me refering to my plane spotting as "conspiracy" because I have no idea if they will be added
just that i spotted some planes age ago and now they are in the game
there are basis, but i cant be sure
cus u know, I dont work for AL. Assuming shit just gonna give false hope
eternal veldt
both Emerald and Manchester were done dirty
lime belfry
Maybe
But if the fuck up is true that likely means they ordered art and casually forgot to add a name tag
Or that they ordered an art then forgot
eternal veldt
I'm not buying it, when the coat of arms is specifically emerald's.
lime belfry
I guess the artist getting the L then
frigid karma
cus u know, I dont work for AL. Assuming shit just gonna give false hope
It’s the literal coat of arms for emerald
And they DID change that last minute
To Manchester’s
After everyone yelled at them
lime belfry
After everyone yelled at them
Yeah that why I said it has basis after they did change
Guess Emerald couldnt make it
That or somebody a huge fan of machester city
Wonder how focus the devs are when it comes to historical reference arts sometimes
Like there are cases they changed art purely to adjust a historical mistake
Sometimes they dont do anything
I semi remember like really long time back an USS ship has 1 extra turret than normal
CN players complained and they deleted that turret
I dont remember who that was, maybe Baltimore ?
Oh wait there also San Francisco
Her rig only has 2 so they complained it missing one
But they didnt change
For Balti they did tho
frigid karma
Balti had an extra one
A lot of ships have missing turrets, no ship has extra
They had to fix brem too
lime belfry
Aquilla "hidden" aircraft
I decided to equip skins of her equippable gear for easier spotting
It seems her G50 and Re2001 are torpedo variant
Not the fighter with bomb variants that are in the game
Because plane skins will also affects the aerial torpedo skins
The one that arent reskinned are Re2001 and G50 torps
Not sure which one because I didnt screenshot fast enough
Another interesting details is that it seeems they are semi homing
Which is fromt this screenshot
All the no-skin torpedo heads for the near enemy on the screen
However, sincd Impero also has these hidden aircrafts but they arent homing
I am not sure if Italian torpedo bomber gonna have homing at all
Here are the one from Imperio is brilliant barrage
manic latch
CN players complained and they deleted that turret
Cheshire loading screen
maiden citrus
cheshire speech being annoying af
desert agate
strong plank
https://twitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1619855423485394952?s=20&t=DL0lh9_AqbChWjB...
fun fact that I didn't know until like a week ago, my father's godmother was in Saigon during the tet offensive. She was in the Foreign Service, working at the embassy at the time
eternal veldt
Epic history discussion
lime belfry
U can only see this aircraft if u have an aug
I dont know what the aircraft is
Maybe a spitfire ?
lime belfry
It's a seafire.
oh yeah, it has the sprite of a sea spitfire in game
whatever, Brit doesnt even have a HMS sub in game, let alone expecting them to have rocket variant of aircrafts
8 rockets, not bad
eternal veldt
lime belfry
wow didnt know British rockets are twice lighter than American
wonder between HVAR and RP-3, which are better
maiden citrus
lime belfry
HVAR is 127mm
every weapon with number 127 was born to be perfect
spiral cedar
Who dat fancy gal
eternal veldt
Maryland, naturally
spiral cedar
eternal veldt
Oh boy
Brace for Standard dump
Though I think these are.. Widely circulated already
All Pennsy
subtle prawn
whatever, Brit doesnt even have a HMS sub in game, let alone expecting them to h...
Indomitable’s skill has Sea Hornets that are equipped with rockets
lime belfry
Indomitable’s skill has Sea Hornets that are equipped with rockets
yeah I know cus I saw that too
junior trench
RP3 is 76mm
the motor is
the warhead is 127mm
because the OG RP-3 is a 127mm shell stuck to a 3" rocket motor
the equivalent would be the 5-inch FFAR for the US
which is a 5" shell stuck to a 3.5" rocket motor
maiden citrus
two of those pictures are more rare
eternal veldt
eternal veldt
I think I posted that one here before somewhere. Was looking for it the other day. Ah well.
and a crosspost, don't laugh
maiden citrus
Chonks do volley fire
glorious
alpine onyx
@eternal veldt give me ZG-3 photo dump
eternal veldt
Haven't seen yet, so take this Deutschland instead, which you likely have seen before
and Shitzig's sister, I guess
spiral cedar
Pudding?
spiral cedar
a
eternal veldt
and Spee, this one should be widely circulated
and one for pretz if he still roams here, Biloxi getting a plane off
eternal veldt
I have a few more Cleve pics, but another time
eternal veldt
Not sure if @spring briar saw this one before, though
The side on shot is seen often, but this is probably my first time seeing her opening fire, doesn't look colorized photo too 
one more for you, Sirene
I'll spare you the other Shitzig photo 
frigid karma
does anyone have any literature on US aviation in an anti-armor role in the pacific
and vice versa
(though i doubt the latter exists)
spring briar
Not sure if <@450678921512353792> saw this one before, though
Yeah, seen a bunch but still lovely
lime belfry
does anyone have any literature on US aviation in an anti-armor role in the paci...
As in anti tank or anti ship armor ?
frigid karma
As in anti tank or anti ship armor ?
Anti armor means tanks
Stuff on Korean War communist aviation vs American tanks would also be appreciated
lime belfry
Anti armor means tanks
I think I can find some for ya
shrewd pecan
manic latch
Fren 
ivory ridge
rapid junco
subtle prawn
tribal mortar
Do we have "McArthur" Based Meowficer?
delicate beacon
Dear lord I hope not.
frigid karma
Do we have "McArthur" Based Meowficer?
MacCunther is in the army
delicate beacon
I dont recall any meowfficers being a camera hog causing mass suffering to boost their ego.
frigid karma
He should be in the gallows
manic latch
They should add slopes to America class
Other navies except Japan is doing it for such size of vessels
frigid karma
They should add slopes to America class
Why
tribal mortar
MacCunther is in the army
Oh ok...
frigid karma
it allows a greater combat load than a purely VTOL take-off
But you already have the csg for that
LHAs are meant to conduct quick amphib operations anyway, do they really need more combat load
They can already stovl too
desert agate
Do we have "McArthur" Based Meowficer?
no and the less of him around the better
shrewd pecan
the deck is already 800+ feet long
frigid karma
guns down veterans
humble mulch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uM0UNBA18
tough quail
it is always time for more boom
frigid karma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uM0UNBA18
That looks like a c96 carbine
humble mulch
My fav smg
tough quail
how do you bring back something that didn't exist
tough quail
threatening lex
spring briar
delicate beacon
frigid karma
<a:WashingtonChibi:640574142160044045>
Richie what server are you on
ivory ridge
that's from GALA
frigid karma
The Martinović affair, as it became known, turned into a cause célèbre in Serbian politics. Although the facts of the incident remained in dispute for years afterwards, it played a significant role in worsening ethnic tensions between Kosovo's Serb and Albanian population.
On 1 May 1985, Đorđe Martinović, a 56-year-old resident of the Kosovo town of Gnjilane, arrived at the local hospital with a broken bottle wedged in his rectum. He claimed that he had been attacked by two Albanian men while he was working in his field. After being interrogated by a Yugoslav People's Army colonel, Martinović reportedly admitted that his injuries had been self-inflicted in a botched attempt at [ ]
Many analogies were made with the Ottoman Turks, who had ruled Serbia until 1833 (and Kosovo until 1912). The incident was widely compared with the Ottoman use of impalement as a means of torture and execution. This link was explicitly made in poetry commemorating the incident, which invoked "Ottoman" themes; for instance:
With a broken bottle
On a stake
As though through
a lamb
but alive,
they went through Đorđe Martinović
As if with their first and heavy steps into their future field they treaded ...
When out of the opium and pain
Đordje Martinović came round
As if from the long past
Turkish times
He woke up on a stake
Never change balkans
Never change
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
based
tribal mortar
Why is the AP shell weak against light armored targets? If it can penetrate heavy armor it should be able to deal with light armor as well.
ivory ridge
overpenetration
frigid karma
Admittedly a bit overstated, but it was based on wows as was 50% of launch AL
ivory ridge
it is based on wows, but it's a real thing
deep apex
Why is the AP shell weak against light armored targets? If it can penetrate heav...
You want the technical answer or the quick and dirty one?
spiral cedar
Why is the AP shell weak against light armored targets? If it can penetrate heav...
The actual answer is game balance. Since a destroyer in-game takes up the same slot in a fleet of 6 ships as a cruiser, you need to have a 2000-ton ship be competitive with a 10000-ton ship. So the devs work to flatten the "effective health" (how long a ship can survive in battle, not just total HP) by tweaking various factors. But they also want to give ships and equipment of the same category (e.g. different types of heavy cruiser, 8" gun, etc.) interesting and meaningful gameplay choices ||(whether they succeeded is open to debate)||. So you have different types of gun shoot different types of shells, and create a traditional rock-paper-scissors form of non-transitive game balance that anyone familiar with game design will recognize (to resist the creation of a single "optimal" strategy with no need for variation). But the shell types only matter if armor types vary as well—thus some armor types will take more damage than others in order to make the game design work.
frigid karma
it is based on wows, but it's a real thing
Yeah, but it’s vastly overstated compared to irl
The weirder part is torps hitting heavy
spiral cedar
In real life, AP shells are non-ideal for unarmored targets (such as destroyers, the superstructures of ships, etc.) but pretty much do just as well against thin vs. thick armor plate. There's not much real-life justification for that.
frigid karma
In real life, AP shells are non-ideal for unarmored targets (such as destroyers,...
Since kansen are human sized, how effective would heat munitions be on them
Would their tits count as spaced armor?
spiral cedar
We don't even know what the insides of a KAN-SEN are like, aside from that they bleed
It could be anything in there
For all we know it's a mech with a tiny alien inside piloting it
frigid karma
A tiny manjuu
frigid karma
I mean, we canonically know their metabolism is that of humans
maiden citrus
there's more energy in a kan-sen's arm than in 100 people
frigid karma
Much more than 100 lol
spiral cedar
Torpedo juice is alcohol, not bunker oil
frigid karma
Oh it was alcohol fuel?
maiden citrus
you think ww1 kan-sen snort coal like cocaine
spiral cedar
Yes
maiden citrus
wait I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that
frigid karma
you think ww1 kan-sen snort coal like cocaine
They eat it like chips
Like how Oreos make your teeth black
But it’s coal dust
assuming a 6 pound charge, 2kyd, and the pumpkin being ~24 pounds like the shell of a 24-pdr which okie is using that’s a final velocity of 682.3 m/s or 2.5 m joules of energy a kansen can tank without being hurt - a human punch maxed out is around 150 for comparison. This is assuming the pumpkin has similar ballistics to a cannonball
spiral cedar
This is why coal explosions happened
frigid karma
Anyways jaba what I meant is like they can grow hair and shit
It’s doubtful that they’re made of metal
spiral cedar
But they don't poop
spiral cedar
For the KAN-SEN or for one of the living beings
frigid karma
It’s in javelin’s dorm room
spiral cedar
Ah, that explains it
frigid karma
We don’t see any manjuu in there
spiral cedar
Javelin has a school bathroom kink
frigid karma
Javelin has a school bathroom kink
You mean she needs a place to torture people for money
chilly osprey
spiral cedar
Since kansen are human sized, how effective would heat munitions be on them
Why did you ask me for my input here if you're going to tell me to "stick to history" a few lines later
spiral cedar
Your bed ate the other
frigid karma
Why did you ask me for my input here if you're going to tell me to "stick to his...
Heat rounds aren’t in AL and are more of a history topic
Anyways, under what naval situations would heat rounds be effective
maiden citrus
It’s doubtful that they’re made of metal
they're also not entirely flesh if they can withstand things they do
spiral cedar
Anyways, under what naval situations would heat rounds be effective
Armored target and tandem charge warhead
frigid karma
Because like
Naval wise, everything small enough for heat to be effective
Has 0 armor anyways
spiral cedar
Magic flesh
Magic pooping metal
spiral cedar
I mean, ships IRL did that too
frigid karma
Increasing weight specifically
spiral cedar
Yes
spiral cedar
BuShips obsessed over whether the extra dozen tons topside would make their Clevelands too top-heavy again
frigid karma
BuShips obsessed over whether the extra dozen tons topside would make their Clev...
Just park a couple T28 superheavies in the crew berthing
Top heavy problem solved
spiral cedar
Could just do the Wichita solution of 200 tons of pig iron
frigid karma
Or, add sponsons with aa guns behind them to the keel so if the ship capsizes it can still carry out aa duties
Let the ship do tactical barrel rolls to avoid torpedoes
Clevebro supremacy
spiral cedar
Doesn't help against shallow running torpedoes unfortunately
Actually no I don't think it helps at all
frigid karma
Actually no I don't think it helps at all
Torpedo ricochet
When the ship is flipping over, time it just right and the torp should strike the upper belt at juust the right angle to bounce it downwards
spiral cedar
The maneuver is actually to shoot submarines with ASW and diving shells
maiden citrus
slap the torpedo
frigid karma
I mean
Wait
Has there been any recorded case of main guns or aa guns detonating a torpedo
I know it was tried a lot
And taiho’s plane got one
maiden citrus
this is as good as my paravane tied to a rotating disk in the superstructure via cable and you slam it into incoming missiles idea
spiral cedar
Has there been any recorded case of main guns or aa guns detonating a torpedo
I don't know of any specific cases but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened occasionally. I'm pretty sure crews would sometime claim they did but the veracity of such is hard to determine
It would only happen against very shallow running torps of course
frigid karma
Why don’t we just get motorboats with depth charges patrolling around the boats
Sort of “fighter cover” or “combat patrol” but for torpedoes
spiral cedar
That's what DDs are for
frigid karma
spiral cedar
spiral cedar
What was that Japanese DD that took a torpedo for a bigger ship and exploded
frigid karma
Just have like 30 of them swarming around a capital ship dropping depth charges in the path of torpedoes
spiral cedar
Silver would probably know
spiral cedar
Just have like 30 of them swarming around a capital ship dropping depth charges ...
Unless it explodes very close by it would not destroy the torpedo
frigid karma
If they’re good enough to handle submarines, why not torpedoes?
spiral cedar
And if you had that density of depth charges you'd make it impossible to detect the subs in the first place
spiral cedar
If they’re good enough to handle submarines, why not torpedoes?
Well, they had difficulty killing subs too
frigid karma
True
maiden citrus
the true answer is to simply make all ships hydroplane
spiral cedar
That's what the secretary ship is for
maiden citrus
they know the answer
spiral cedar
https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-ayanami-yukikaze-laffey-winning-gif-20868439
IJN-IJA relations, colorized
frigid karma
Which one is [ ] maru
maiden citrus
Return to Zeppelin
I see no torpedoes up here
frigid karma
I see no torpedoes up here
I have a clip of me torpedo bombing and killing an airship in bf1
Turns out torpedoes make great anti anything weapons if you set the fuse to 0
spiral cedar
Speaking of minimum arming distances
RPG-7 has a min arming distance of like 50 meters right
What if it's shot vertically and falls down near the shooter
(Ignore the problem of backblast while aiming vertically)
frigid karma
What if it's shot vertically and falls down near the shooter
Don’t the grenades have a self destructing fuze?
I feel like if you shot one straight up it would detonate before landing on your skull
spiral cedar
Don’t the grenades have a self destructing fuze?
Dunno
frigid karma
Well, if it doesn’t detonate then it would fall back onto the ground and send you flying upwards in return
tough quail
chad soviets invent rocket jumping
frigid karma
chad soviets invent rocket jumping
You need to shoot downwards to rocket jump
If you shoot upwards you rocket dive into the ground and become one with the mole people
Also known as Italians
spiral cedar
chad soviets invent rocket jumping
Don’t tell the Soldier
frigid karma
The bed won’t give up my AirPod what do I do
eternal veldt
What was that Japanese DD that took a torpedo for a bigger ship and exploded
Are you thinking of Akikaze?
She ate the torps meant for Jun'you
spiral cedar
Sounds right
eternal veldt
Good riddance
spiral cedar
What did she do
eternal veldt
See here
eternal veldt
Another one for Maka
maiden citrus
I spy with my hot dog laden eyes
looks like the ship taking the picture is a standard too
eternal veldt
Pennsy yet again
lime belfry
RPG-7 has a min arming distance of like 50 meters right
In theory
It also depends on the fuse
The RPG-2 and RPG-7 has a few different fuses
With different arming distance
Some even has self destructing for airburst
manic osprey
The M79 is one the best grenade launchers, change my mind
strong plank
M32
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Martini Henry
shrewd pecan
lime belfry
The M79 is one the best grenade launchers, change my mind
Yep, so legendary that the enemy started using it too
tough quail
de fune fallout gun
lime belfry
@frigid karma Got some spicy sauce for you regarding aviation anti-tank role in Korean war
source: Korean release number 416, dated 2320 10 September 1951
according to Naval air combat operations in Korean theater dated November 1951
5 Chinese/North Korean tanks were reported to be destroyed
glass trail
that looks sick 
lime belfry
lime belfry
Koran release number 414
frigid karma
was looking for communist aviation tho
lime belfry
was looking for communist aviation tho
u asked for the US no ?
frigid karma
no
lime belfry
damn it, uhhh let me check
frigid karma
Stuff on Korean War communist aviation vs American tanks would also be appreciated
lime belfry
ok so I misremembered
lime belfry
@frigid karma Only thing I could find
it from a journal of a tank commander in the korea war
he got strafed twice by some kinds of communist aircraft
the second attack they got bombed, but no casualty
this was from Masan Front in 1950, 5th Regimental combat team
u can tell he is in a Sherman
subtle prawn
frigid karma
what cv is this
the one behind taiho and shinano
WAIT
@humble mulch
AZUR LANE CARRIER ANIME CONVENTION ON HER
btw, this is canon hornet now
@spiral cedar since you also live in the golden state
exotic scarab
Hey uhh what happened to the other azur lane server
spiral cedar
SanFran 
frigid karma
Hey uhh what happened to the other azur lane server
what other one
exotic scarab
Community something can't see it on my list
desert agate
lmfao i think you got banned
exotic scarab
Wish they would have informed me
frigid karma
oof
exotic scarab
Oh well
desert agate
sure they wish you didnt deny genocide but yknow cant always get what you want
frigid karma
We were just talking about having an anime convention on hornet a few days ago
and uh
ALM went ahead and did it
exotic scarab
Now back to reading about why rome never took Scotland
frigid karma
It just wasnt very advertised
yes, but the anime girl is new
ivory ridge
We were just talking about having an anime convention on hornet a few days ago
Sure but you said this
eternal veldt
what cv is this
generic carrier
frigid karma
A generic one
eternal veldt
Something Germany doesn't have
But I guess Essex does work, being the most produced fleet carrier type and thus, most common
Still, that isn't an Essex.
exotic scarab
Ok correction
Rome never took all of Scotland but it turns out several times they occupied the lowlands
eternal veldt
alpine onyx
Hmm
Should see if Elbe's conversion plans have already been digitized
And see if she is just as fubar as DeGrasse
alpine onyx
Cat has full Weser plans
And a handful of conversion plans
Europa, De Grasse
Rest I need to look through
Though Weser is kinda the best looking out of the ones I saw there
So maybe that's why they didn't make full plans of De Grasse and other conversions?
alpine onyx
I am unpacking my entire history folder atm to get a proper look
Do I see that right, a bulkhead between the dive bombers and fighters?
eternal veldt
I'm honestly terrified if this one that cat posted was a real proposal or not
considering the painstaking amount of details
alpine onyx
Hmm
eternal veldt
Oh, they're not...I think.
alpine onyx
Might be real, but a part of their evaluation of those types of ships
eternal veldt
Marine archiv's stuff.
alpine onyx
Which came to the same conclusion as everyone else had
Sounds good when you hear it the first time
exotic scarab
Goodbye that's all the random middle ages trivia till I remember this place exists
alpine onyx
But awful when you really think it through
And a taskforce of a battleship and a carrier is way better than two hybrids
On that note. RM6 did give a rundown of the taskforce they wanted to put Graf Zeppelin into in 1942ish
Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Zeppelin, two heavy cruisers and 12-14 destroyers
For operations in Northern Waters
eternal veldt
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,38173.0.html Alright, this smells more like personal project to me
alpine onyx
Eww
eternal veldt
case closed, 🚮
maiden citrus
delicate beacon
eternal veldt
And a taskforce of a battleship and a carrier is way better than two hybrids
Be as big brained as the IJN
convert the Ises into hybrids
but don't load any planes
use them as armoured oil tankers
🧠
alpine onyx
I did read a short line about thinking about converting Gneisenau into a carrier
alpine onyx
They weren't too keen about that idea
eternal veldt
Would they really do it after the fuck up at Barents Sea
delicate beacon
Not enough casemates
alpine onyx
After Barents Sea it was a struggle to keep the ships out of the scrapyard
Blessings of being in a political system where the word of a single maniac is law
alpine onyx
Hello fren
maiden citrus
hewoo
exotic scarab
Actually why am I still on this server when I'm not really interested in boats and gave up on azur lane it was fun bit goodbye maybe see yall on a plane history/il2 server if I find one
alpine onyx
manic latch
Ok
spring briar
||I think we were all asking the same question||
manic latch
Type 55
spring briar
Does anyone have Nelson shell cross sections
cinder escarp
Type 55 <:patmiat:891493846431727679>
All of the modern PLA(N) ships have that VLS system and the cells are huge.
manic latch
All of the modern PLA(N) ships have that VLS system and the cells are huge.
Less on 54s naturally
But i can see why some wants to call 55s cruiser
spring briar
Less on 54s naturally
Y
manic latch
Smaller ship
spring briar
No, why is there a married couple on it
manic latch
Are you jealous
spiral cedar
No, why is there a married couple on it
They’re about to be fried by the missile launch
spring briar
Are you jealous
No
spring briar
spring briar
To whom
delicate beacon
Leon Homburg, curator of the museum at Den Helder
*stares blankly infront*
now what do I do
I guess I start designing ships again
Maybe the 20cm triple turret secondaires were a little overzealous.
Lets do twins next
subtle prawn
How much time do you spend designing?
delicate beacon
Depends on what ship I'm making.
It's usually no more than calculating displacement and estimating dimensions.
If it's not based on something specific I just eyeball it.
Execution takes up the most time and finding references. The design process is relatively quick
alpine onyx
Playing tetris with the internals
delicate beacon
I usually do that with the superstructure and turrets
Still cant do proper speed calculations sadly.
maiden citrus
21 is fast enough so dw
solid mango
what are the measurements of a mark 6 depth charge?
delicate beacon
No, I use unit systems
junior trench
Not for a cruiser and Jeune Ecole fleet
Jeune Ecole-ists when Mahanian battle fleetists just park outside their most important ports
manic latch
Soldiers of the German Wehrmacht inspect a seized Schneider et Cie production facility with several 380mm/45 Modèle 1935 gun barrels destined for battleships Jean Bart and Richelieu.
delicate beacon
Cute gun
spring briar
Jeune Ecole-ists when Mahanian battle fleetists just park outside their most imp...
Elements from both schools of thought are being used today
I don’t see how one would be more advantageous than the other without actually looking at the context around a certain navy first
France did jeune école but shouldn’t have, but that doesn’t mean it can’t work for other navies
If anything it was a way for parliament to justify huge budget cuts for the navy
manic osprey
Who remembers when Pepsi had one of the most powerful navies in the world?
manic latch
Who remembers when Pepsi had one of the most powerful navies in the world?
Texas flooding itself, Uss Wisconsing Temper Temper thingy, Pepsi navy, H class, Habakkuk, Tillman, Kaneda class.
What did i forget
Oh yeah hybrid Iowa design and nuclear shell for Mark 7
These should be the most repeated beings on nav history
humble mulch
Yeah I wanted to go to it but it's the same weekend of as local con
Very cool and neat tho
alpine onyx
Texas flooding itself, Uss Wisconsing Temper Temper thingy, Pepsi navy, H class,...
There is that weird, likely fake US Carrier Group vs Lighthouse radio convo
manic latch
True
It's sexy but
Feels lacking somewhere
I would have actually preferred more cameras
Smaller ones for space
Say would this spot be weak spot in War thunder?
eternal veldt
New York, under construction
desert agate
Who remembers when Pepsi had one of the most powerful navies in the world?
it did not
that is fake news that is often repeated but is verifiably false
what actually happened was the soviets scrapped the ships for foreign currency to give to pepsi
alpine onyx
Wrong answer, the answer should just be no, because we cannot remember a thing that never was
delicate beacon
Which was the largest fleet ever, PepsiCo or Canada?
humble mulch
PepsiCo never actually got their hands on the ships
Iirc they were directly sent to scrapyards and stuff to pay the order
delicate beacon
Iirc they were directly sent to scrapyards and stuff to pay the order
Yeah that's like saying the Dutch managed to get German battleship after WW1. And we know for a fact that's not true because a war didn't break out to stop the Dutch.
And that's assuming the transfer to pepsico happened.
chilly osprey
I'd also note that the Pepsi thing got spun up over time
Originally it was 'one of the largest submarine fleets in the world' (hypothetically true, if they had taken ownership of the vessels)
But then this evolved into 'one of the largest' in general, which definitely was not true
chilly osprey
Oh
yeah, well, that's Gotland and a dozen other SSKs over time
Submarines 'sinking' carriers in ASW exercises is just routine for exercises
Everyone and their mother has done it at this point
delicate beacon
My daily PC forced restart from GPU drivers exploded happened and my PC refused to boot. After another attempt it booted without GPU drivers.
Time to save all the dienstgeheim on an external
manic latch
You guys handle your pc wrong
delicate beacon
It's a GTX 1050 Ti
manic latch
My logic: Loud fans= bad= stop doing the bad= silent fans= good
delicate beacon
It's running quiet.
manic latch
Then I'm more amazed
manic latch
Allegedly some pictures showing a possible sixth-generation fighter captured via a video posted on AVIC's official website today.
delicate beacon
did you try to run forspoken
It's mostly youtube that causes my crashes.
frigid karma
frigid karma
Allegedly some pictures showing a possible sixth-generation fighter captured vi...
these are all hypothetical renders bro
like
6th generation fighters are still a long way off; no one even knows what their specs are
frigid karma
anyways, are there any ships in AL that fit this
manic latch
Didn't some congress members saw the prototype of NGAD
frigid karma
yes
prototype
the requirements and demands for whats a 6th gen fighter are still changing
remote monolith
it requires being able to reach warp 5 and mount 4 phaser embankment
desert agate
spring briar
based?
subtle prawn
tough quail
sixth gens are mostly a marketing gimmick atm
it's just a way to get people excited for weird vaporware projects
and the b-21 for some reason, i have no idea what's going on with that sixth gen tag
shut wren
Yo got any modern ones
frigid karma
and the b-21 for some reason, i have no idea what's going on with that sixth gen...
B-21 is called sixth gen?
What
tough quail
they literally said it on the stream iirc