history

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/01/18/cno-gilday-next-generation-air-dominance-will-come-ahead-of-ddgx-destroyer

[tough quail]

ddgx set to exist sometime before the heat death of the universe

[shrewd pecan]

average navy procurement moment

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1615853039625334785

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In 1982, USS Raleigh was swarmed and nearly immobilized near Oman by one of the most primitive forces to attack a Navy ship. Thousands of jellyfish had moved in overnight and clogged critical machinery, forcing the Raleigh to withdraw to less contested waters. #WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Jan 18, 2023, 11:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_5jnVre90

[tough quail]

https://i.imgur.com/OQftuiT.png

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-non-linear-gif-27023528

[cinder escarp]

A weak vid by him, IMHO - most of his explanations are just blind faith that the DoD would be too smart to actually make these stupid decisions, such as the absurd weight for what it brings. All he can do is intimate that the extra weight went "somewhere", without actually having an answer.

[chilly osprey]

Did not realize, the Humaitá-class's 120/50 Ansaldo 1926 have a completely unique gunshield

[silver crest]

TIL that Henry V's army of farmers with longbows wiped out half of the Fr*nch nobility in a single afternoon

never underestimate the tactical value of mud

[remote monolith]

I mean, in fairness said 'farmer' with longbows are generally incredibly well trained professionals who'd spent years on their crafts

using longbows ain't an easy thing to learn

[tribal mortar]

That reminds me of farmers with matchlock from Nobunaga's army who wiped out Takeda cavalry at Nagashino

[remote monolith]

and even then, contemporary records does state that the French nobility who did charge mostly wear armor heavy enough to completely negate the longbows strengths. Unfortunately, they were also disorganized and just went through serious mud

which means that they can just get mobbed to death individually

which, incidentally, they did, by English men at arms and desperate longbowmen using everything from knives to mallets

[lime belfry]

it took years to train farmers into good longbowmen

meanwhile, the French had crossbowmen, which required way less training and some clear advantages over the longbow

[cinder escarp]

Over in INGERLAND it was basically something you trained for from a young kid, a lifetime of work

Meanwhile you can basically conscript any peasant and have them as a functional crossbow user within a couple weeks.

[tough quail]

yeah but you dont get to be basically superhuman

the most annoying thing is when RPGs portray longbows as a sort of dexterity or "finesse" weapon

like a proper archer couldn't punch you hard enough to break your ribs

[cinder escarp]

Firearms made that disparity even worse: line rank fire with muskets took even less training than crossbows, and were (provided your line was big enough for a good volley) even more effective.

[eternal veldt]

They're supposed to have a beautiful voice for singing too! /s

[remote monolith]

the duel between Genoese crossbowmen mercenaries France employed at Crecy against longbows were also quite lopsided in the longbowmen's favor because bad rain slacked the crossbows and their pavise were unavailable due to rushed preparations

aand also, if memory served me, at Crecy the French got impatient and charged through their own crossbowmen to get at the English

[frigid karma]

it's always trippy reading about ancient european wars that changed the fate of the entire continent, and it's just like about a couple dozen guys beating up another couple dozen guys in a field

ok, maybe a little bit of an understatement

but still

[cinder escarp]

Europeans get the same sort of reaction looking at the absolutely gigantic armies and campaigns in Asia

[eternal veldt]

High casualties are pretty much a staple

Though, it's intriguing how a significant amount of Chinese literature traces back to the Spring-Autumn/Warring States period.

[remote monolith]

admittedly keep in mind that hyperboles are a common thing in historical records, but yeah Asian records tend to show some frankly incredible sizes

[eternal veldt]

A shame that Sima Qian's work is censored

Or altered to present biases at least.

[frigid karma]

hyperboles is an understatement

sometimes you have casualty numbers exceeding the population of places

[remote monolith]

French chroniclers after Nicopol: hmm yes we lost because our 10 knights went up against 600,000 Turks, not because we did one hell of a dumb charge against the advices of our Balkan allies

[eternal veldt]

There are also urban legends

Such as portraying a warlord having unironic superhuman strength

... Which in reality is likely much less impressive.

[frigid karma]

well

it's called romance

and not peer-reviewed study

[eternal veldt]

Im not speaking of three kingdoms

Im speaking of Chu-Han contention

Accounts like 28 soldiers somehow managing to break through thousands of soldiers, which is kinda yikes

[remote monolith]

also speaking of European warfare, bit of a fun fact is that after Crusader fever subsided the Teutonic Knights rebranded it as a sort of tour package for European nobles where you can join up with the order for a while and raid pagan villages for a fee

and after that you can call yourself a Crusader

apparently between hot phases of the Hundred Year War is a popular recreational activity

[frigid karma]

i thought that ended with them getting overwhelmed and slaughtered

how does one have two accounts that differ so much

[eternal veldt]

Popular tale ends with the 28 soldiers embarking on a ship to cross the Wujiang, whereas Xiang Yu just beheads himself

Again, hard to verify this one, and I havent personally examined it in detail.

What we do know is that the tale is engrained in Chinese language at this point

[frigid karma]

If in the modern day we have stuff like canned coal claiming the kido butai won the battle of midway

even if it is clearly fiction

..well in an ancient context, it's easy for this sort of fanfiction to get accepted

[eternal veldt]

Since 江東父老，literally ancestors east of the Wujiang River, is now often used if youre bringing shame upon the family

[frigid karma]

ok this is a terrible analogy

i don't know how to explain it any better

[remote monolith]

I mean, its ancient history where people can easily get away with lying about stuff that no one else has seen before

unlike the last 100 years or so

[frigid karma]

basically, if even in a modern context with limitless access to easily veriable information

[eternal veldt]

The industrial revolution helped the preservation of records

[frigid karma]

a place like quora can exist

[eternal veldt]

And printing isnt a technology during that period either

[frigid karma]

muchh much crazier batshit-wrong records of history will exist

reminder; herodotus, the famed 'father of history' of his time

mostly just took travelers at their word

'oh lmao really? damn thats cool'

and just wrote a lot of the shit down

[eternal veldt]

I guess your best bet is to go into archaelogy

Assuming any artifacts arent stolen or otherwise destroyed by the course of time

[frigid karma]

or the government doesn't make polite 'suggestions' about your conclusions

[eternal veldt]

Especially during cough the 1960s

[frigid karma]

on second thought, too modern

my grandpa was actually a school teacher in the cultural revolution

he was one of the few guys who didn't get, well, manhandled

umm actually silver, i asked the almighty AI and it said xiang yu's forces were able to break out easily

just had to 'reeducate' the AI in a dark room for a couple hours

[lime belfry]

Still doesnt make crossbow a worse weapon than a longbow

If anything it just proves shit tactic can make any good weapon become useless

[remote monolith]

I...didn't say anything about it being worse?

I just mentioned that Crecy's conditions conspired against the crossbowmen

that's it

[lime belfry]

I misread then. My apologise

[spring briar]

Aaaand we also switched to use of cannons very quickly compared to the british

Mfw castillon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Castillon

[eternal veldt]

Heh, fog city, or smoke, in this case

[fierce sparrow]

French Crossbowmen or Genoese Crossbowmen..?

[halcyon coyote]

For the Battle of Agincourt, keep in mind that the massive French casualty numbers also come from the fact that Henry V decided to execute all of the prisoners, which didn't make him many friends among his nobles

[spring briar]

Agincourt is massively skewed

Very sad

[halcyon coyote]

The problem with talking about the Hundred Years' War is that the British have basically controlled the popular narrative since Shakespeare

[tight violet]

Why does the bmp have a sharper front than an ifv like bradley

[tough quail]

amphibious

well, the Bradley was also vaguely amphibious before it got heavier, but not nearly as specialized

it just went for the tall as fuck approach instead of an actual bow

[tight violet]

The closest i can find to that nose is something like this version of the cv90

[ivory ridge]

that's additional armor

[tight violet]

Meanwhile the bradley

[tough quail]

like I said, the hull shape is primarily for amphibious performance aiui, which the soviets put enormous stock in

[frigid karma]

The Soviets should’ve just aral sea’d any river they came across

[tight violet]

Namer is too heavy to be amphib and is built off a merkava hull and its still looks sharper than a bradley (it’s the heavily sloped ufp look is it)

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1615805723354533891

Gabriele Molinelli (@Gabriel64869839)

The first prototype CHALLENGER 3s are planned to be handed over this year. Queen's Royal Hussars @ChurchillsOwn have it marked on their calendar. It certainly helps that the very first CR3 prototype was going through test firings already before being selected.

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Twitter · Jan 18, 2023, 8:17 PM

[tough quail]

why do you look so fucking cool

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616216352754176017

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1991, USS Louisville (SSN-724) became the first submarine to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles in combat. The Tomahawks were launched against Iraqi targets during Desert Storm. A special Louisville Slugger baseball bat was made to commemorate the sub's role in the war.

Twitter · Jan 19, 2023, 11:29 PM

[maiden citrus]

sorry I've been absent for a few days I'm on vacation

so if anyone directed things at me, I haven't read chat in days and the backlog was too big and I skipped it for once

[delicate beacon]

There were no hotdogs so you missed not much.

... Sadly...

[maiden citrus]

awe

[tough quail]

i said the standards were stinky and that your great grandmother was a trout

[maiden citrus]

the second one is close since my great grandmother lived in a house over a trout river

[tough quail]

i mean most battleships probably smelled weird

so

[maiden citrus]

nc smelled pretty good, but been a while since she was out and about

[remote monolith]

Maka confirmed a Weretrout of sorts

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

bit hard to notice the smell if the whole ship is vibrating

https://tenor.com/view/smallviiles-gif-26537156

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616249779536773131

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's #NationalPopcornDay. #DYK that some U.S. subs use popcorn in man-overboard drills? A microwave bag thrown overboard resembles the head of someone bobbing in the water. Crews practice visually tracking the popcorn while maneuvering the sub to pick up the bag before it sinks.

Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 1:42 AM

[manic latch]

In the FY2022 annual report recently released by the DOT&E, which reported that there are some problems in the MPF program.
Testing found MPF had high levels of toxic fumes when firing the main gun, requiring modifications to crew procedures during gunnery to mitigate.

[manic latch]

Likely 105mm moment

[frigid karma]

They could develop a system to catch and automatically eject the casing similar to a strv

[cinder escarp]

Or the UVZ tonks

[frigid karma]

Uvz?

[cinder escarp]

But yeah, no Abrams has a cartridge management solution, even the 120mms dump the cartridge stub onto the turret floor

[cinder escarp]

T-62/72/90 & the BMP-3, BMD-3, and BMD-4.

T-62 ejects whole brass cartridges, the rest eject stubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSniVMa8tw

On the 72 and 90, the port is on the turret rear like T-62

On the IFVs, it's on the roof

(The BMP-3 turret... is basically a soviet tank turret - with particular similarities to the T-64/80 turrets)

[spiral cedar]

Admiral 1, Admiral 2, Admiral 3, and Hood, I guess

[frigid karma]

Bismark

[spiral cedar]

3000 fallschirmjäger of Goering

[ivory ridge]

Queue the wows study on usernames and the link between mispellings and lower winrate

[spiral cedar]

This dude just writing his history-adjacent fanfiction

[frigid karma]

bismark has the second lowest wr of all the listed names

[ivory ridge]

Reminds me of that dude i found on the wows subreddit

[frigid karma]

48.7% to 50.2% for the proper spelling

[cinder escarp]

Why yes, it would have been different, Germany would have lost a good deal faster.

[frigid karma]

where was that thread on the like

insane shit the home guard came up with

[spiral cedar]

Two of Sealion's six torpedoes had caught the KONGO . One in the port bow chain locker, the other aft of amidships, port side, under the No.2 stack jarring the great battleship and causing spouts visible two ships astern on YAMATO. The hits came with two loud booms followed by a `low grinding sound which vibrated the whole body of the ship'. The bugle blared over the speakers, sounding the crew to action stations. Loudspeakers called for emergency teams to proceed to the inner anchor deck and effect shoring procedures. The torpedo hit there had torn a large gash in the bow. The second hit had flooded KONGO's Nos. 6 and 8 boiler rooms, but the remaining boilers could provide adequate steam pressure, and despite the loss of fuel, enough remained to continue onward at fleet speed of 16 knots. However, the KONGO did begin to assume a slow list to port and stayed there.

Though a considerable section of the port side and machinery spaces amidships aft were flooded, there was little initial concern among KONGO's veteran crew. The men were well trained, and there was no panic, or even much excitement. Many returned to their stations, and some even to bed, as the battleship pounded onward.

The KONGO and the other battleships knew Sealion was in pursuit. They had detected Reich's radar waves and at about 0405 begun to zig-zag. The YAMATO was tracking the enemy submarine and if necessary could open fire, but the best chance of avoiding harm was to maintain course and speed. However the increasing gale complicated things for the Japanese too. It was true that the torpedo hits had inflicted moderate to severe initial damage that seemed under control, but since Shimazaki continued to maintain KONGO's speed after the hits, the pressure of the inrushing water steadily buckled and crushed other bulkheads one after another. This aggravated the damage, and made damage control's task harder. As the battle fleet drove northeast in the heavy seas, the opened portion of KONGO's bow was constantly shipping water. The hole in the bow was being wrenched wider, as had happened to MUSASHI at Sibuyan Sea the past month.

Divers assigned to the task fearlessly donned their gear and despite the heavy seas and danger, proceeded to the damaged area to try to seal the hull. But each pitch of the battleship brought more flooding. The DCO speculated that the enemy torpedoes had been set a depth where they gashed the torpedo bulge, thus causing the hole to tear bigger over time. The high speed was in fact acting as a damage multiplier. Despite the danger of second attack, there was no choice: first KONGO had to suspend zigzagging, then she had to slow to 14 to 12 knots.

On the bridge, Shimazaki eyed the inclinometer with growing concern. His ship was continuing a slow, but steady heel to port, indicating that the flooding was not being adequately checked. Damage control soon confirmed the bad news: progressive flooding was spreading through leaks, fractured bulkheads, sprung seams and pipes throughout the old lady. The listing had resumed and the situation was becoming unsettling. Still, no thought was given that the KONGO might actually sink. The Secondary Battery Officer LtCdr. Yutaka Takahata pointed out that KONGO had listed more than 5 degrees from the near-misses at Samar, but had recovered.

[After the loss of the HIEI and KIRISHIMA in the Guadalcanal campaigns, the HARUNA and KONGO had been refitted to improve survivability, including the addition of hydraulic rams with 50 pounds of pressure to keep the rudder straight if necessary. In addition on both sides of the hull twenty compartments for quick counterflooding and twenty-six compartments for ordinary flooding had been fitted. Use of both could correct lists of up to 7 degrees. However, KONGO's steering did not fail till she was sinking, if at all, and I found no mention of the use of counterflooding, let alone these new voids, in the sources. Presumably, they were used but not equal to the task.]

Still making 10 knots the KONGO headed for Keelung as angry seas continued to surge into her torn hull. At this speed the Chief Navigator reported they would arrive in approximately six hours. This was far too optimistic. Though Ugaki thought she might be alright if she made emergency repairs at Keelung, it seems he and everyone else underestimated the spread and pace of the leakage. KONGO did not have six hours left; she didn't even have one. Despite heroic efforts by damage control teams and even sacrifices of divers, they were unable to shore up the gashes in the port side. Thus, not long after separating from 1-YB, KONGO's listing to port began to resume, this time heeling over beyond 20 degrees.

To compensate, Shimazaki ordered that all hands who could move to the high starboard side to help check the list. The bow was dipping deeper into the sea, and it was becoming increasingly difficult to maintain her heading. To make matters worse, the destroyers reported that the enemy waves were closing faster now. Vice Admiral Suzuki understood: the enemy had decided to make a sure kill rather than pursue the main force. The one good thing was that the stormy weather made pursuit difficult and there was some chance KONGO might yet escape. HAMAKAZE and ISOKAZE maneuvered to stay between, to foil the enemy's approach. Still, they wondered why the enemy had not already attacked?

It did not matter. SEALION's pursuit was not the greatest menace. Fifteen minutes after heading for Keelung, the list increased to 45 degrees. Still in his director, the previously confident Takahashi saw with consternation that the normally 30 meter drop to the sea had shrunk to almost jumping distance and the port rail was coming awash. Hasty flooding of starboard voids either came too late, or the valves did not work well. The engine rooms were now flooding, speed crumbled, and by 0518 KONGO was going dead in the water. She became unnavigable. A suggestion that HAMAKAZE and ISOKAZE attempt a tow was swiftly quashed; the seas were too heavy and the battleship too waterlogged. On the bridge, to Suzuki and Shimazaki the grim truth was now clear. The KONGO was, in fact, sinking, and damage control had lost the battle to prolong her life. If any confirmation was needed, it was provided when they heard the Chief DCO had committed suicide in frustration at the failure.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/eclipkong.html

[eternal veldt]

Another ship killed by Yukikaze /s

[alpine onyx]

"So how are things going?"
gunshot from DCO's room

[eternal veldt]

very odd that two people are asking for Portland's armour scheme at near the same time...

[spiral cedar]

I assure you my request is unrelated

[eternal veldt]

Just messing with you, but I think I see the problem being that Portland's values being a mess

as expected, completely unhelpful

[spiral cedar]

I believe the general plans are deliberately scrubbed of armor values

[eternal veldt]

mhm. Don't need the people to know the values anyway.

looks like Portland's booklet cover is broken too.

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Yeap, nothing other than Al*ska, Arizona and Yorktown's cross section

[eternal veldt]

get blueballed

They show this and nothing else in the series digitised

[spiral cedar]

I’ll still take them tho 50% I’ve seen before

[eternal veldt]

You've seen Alaska and?...

was it Yorktown?

[spiral cedar]

Well I have the G&D Alaska c/s and (I think) the Friedman Arizona c/s, and may have seen a Yorktown c/s in a damage report or something…

But I can’t recall at the moment

[eternal veldt]

There are some older ships as well, which I think Maka will take, like ACRs and dreadnoughts, but none often discussed here

https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/cartographic/rg-019/559623/RG19_ALPHA_Arizona_BB39_09.JPG well, just in case.

also @rapid junco https://catalog.archives.gov/id/85590919

Sao Paulo's general arrangements, if interested.

Can't believe the Americans resort to turtlebaka, I thought only Germans did it /s

[spiral cedar]

For a second I thought this was 中 like on the Nagato cross sections

[eternal veldt]

read that as 電 first. Though, that looks like a greek number to me?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1332612204403650561 Also, the only known film reel of a Yamato-class battleship. Machine translate should work out the rest.

土岐 (@L02xX1)

(再掲) おそらく現存する唯一の大和型戦艦の映像。日本ニュース第206号、古賀元帥の背後に当時聯合艦隊旗艦だった戦艦武蔵が一瞬だけ映るシーンがあります。

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[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

turtleback = WW1 armor scheme

Hood had a turtleback and exploded, coincidence?

[spring briar]

Hood had a turtleback and exploded, coincidence?

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Maka

[maiden citrus]

Richy

[fierce sparrow]

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI5ijlBDJmY

[rapid junco]

Thanks

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616471782172639235

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1963, the cruiser USS Albany (CG-10) became the first ship to fire three guided missiles simultaneously when it launched Tartar and Talos surface-to-air missiles from the forward, aft and one side of the ship.

Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sPVdooyTx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgseOGcFDw

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616554553037541381

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In the 1950s, it was estimated that a single battleship broadside such as this one being fired by USS Missouri at North Korea cost $50,000 ($607,168 in 2023). #FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 9:53 PM

[glass trail]

not as much as modern day rockets

[shrewd pecan]

crazy how the pace of technology and inflation works

in terms of inflation adjusted cost that's about 4 GMLRS rockets or around 600 155 HE shells

[spiral cedar]

Ah, Quora

[lime belfry]

Japanese soldiers complained about US soldiers having more firepower when they themselves bullied the poor Chinese soldiers with almost non-existent Navy, Air Force and armor just a few years earlier

British soldiers complained about US soldiers having more firepower when they themselves bullied some poor natives with nothing but spears and swords for centuries before getting mowed down by some dudes with a Maxim gun in WW1

War was never fair. If you can't win that a skill issue

[ivory ridge]

[deep apex]

Reading A Farewell to Arms

Great book

Please read it if you can

It was once banned in Italy (1929) due to the portrayal of the collapse of the Italian front at the Battle of Caporetto

Also, you can see Hemingway's interest in women in it at points.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY7jlZjL70Q

[spiral cedar]

A Penny?

[eternal veldt]

Indeed.

New bulges added.

[desert agate]

owo

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

Ol falling apart

[spiral cedar]

Ol almost sinking to a Betty torp in the stern

[frigid karma]

Almost is a polite way of saying didn’t

[spiral cedar]

Troo

[fierce sparrow]

[deep apex]

Is Brandon Herrera good?

[lime belfry]

I dont understand the joke, what the correct way to hold a sten

I thought that was like a common way to hold it

[fierce sparrow]

no... thats not how you hold the STEN

you just gonna messed up the magazine feed

[lime belfry]

I mean...

[fierce sparrow]

even poor InrangeTV fell for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRgbo0wro0E

this is how you hold the STEN gun properly

Matthew Moss is still working on this discussing for sometime

even I ask him about this few months back

[lime belfry]

but there are professionals out there that hold it differently

I guess per British doctrine u cant hold like that

[deep apex]

Funny because there's old photos of people holding it by the mag

[lime belfry]

but in later conflict people just hold it whatever they want it to be

[tough quail]

you should not take pictures of dudes walking around and posing for photos as how to hold a gun while actually firing

the issues come when the action is cycling

[lime belfry]

but u know, if Ak guy can shoot while holding the mag

and same with gun jesus

then technically u can do it

[deep apex]

Yeah

Good enough for me

[lime belfry]

unless of course gun jesus is not your prophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPGjuiZTuKA

like damn even grandpa hickok can hold it and shoot

[tough quail]

its not a disaster if you do it - the gun isn't going to break, it just makes it more likely to jam on smgs like this

same reason iirc you're supposed to hold an mp40 by the magwell

no the magazine itself

[lime belfry]

I probably have seen a dozen or so pics of German holding MP40 by the mag

probably it one of those "in combat you just hold gun the most convenient way for you" and not "strictly follow the manual"

[fierce sparrow]

same thing to PPS42 or 43, atleast that is better by its design

[lime belfry]

Like even this Fallschirmjager guy, which was german elite infantry

grip the mag as force of habit

so is it totally wrong/farb/historical inaccurate to grip the mag ?

or is it just something people recommend, but then in the field whether or not actual soldiers follow it is debatable ?

[fierce sparrow]

I think of one infamous example of the STEN problem is the Operation Anthropoid. The Assassination of Reinhard Heydrich.

[deep apex]

Don't know.

I don't have a gun. Shit's expensive

[lime belfry]

Sten was meant to be a dirt cheap gun that can be mass produced and recreated by some dudes in a shed with a couple of basic tools

so honestly, the fact that it doesnt explode in your hand while going fully automatic is already a feat of engineering

[fierce sparrow]

I'll pick the PPS-42 or 43 over the STEN anyday....
I wouldn't trust the STEN if I know what I'm shooting

[lime belfry]

but in Western front u dont get that choice

nor the Poles in warsaw

I will still pick a sten as my resistance weapon over a bolt action rifle

because unlike video game, u dont have god tier aim to nail guys in moving vehicle

when you think about it, Sten is the best choice for the resistance groups

1. It crap enough for the German to not use it against you

2. It still good enough to mow down German, and it is fully automatic so it is technically better than a pistol

3. It uses the same ammo as the MP40

4. It is very easy to copy and produce, requiring very little tools

I mean, if the Sten was so dogshit why people used it all the way to the Vietnam war and beyond

why so many countries made their own version of the Sten, including the Nazi

although tbf, the German only made their own Sten because they needed something for the volksturm, which was cannon fodders anyway

but, they definitely picked that gun over anything else because it has the 4 advantages mentioned above

also I just found out Inrange also grips by the mag

[frigid karma]

Not many people consider the sten shit

Those who do point to its cost and simplicity usually as for why it’s bad

Which is stupid

You don’t see people jerking off the Thompson because it costs more than a battleship

But because its grip is sexy as fuck

[spiral cedar]

USS Tennessee during the bombardment of Okinawa

[desert agate]

If you're after a ww2 smg it's an owen you want

Cheap, reliable, effective

Maybe not on the Plains of Eastern Europe

But dense jungle or urban combat nothing is better in the 40s

[spiral cedar]

What if I only want cheap and reliable, but not effective?

[lime belfry]

get a knife

[spiral cedar]

Cheap and reliable, but not effective, SMG

[lime belfry]

Micro Uzi or Mac-10

smallest SMG, reliable and pretty cheap to manufacture

but dont expect to hit anything pass 30 meter

[shrewd pecan]

the artisans of Brazils under world will provide

[sleek sapphire]

in azur lane we have new shipgirl, hwah jah
what is it actually in real life, i cant find any info on the internet

[lime belfry]

there are history for her if can read chinese

but yeah here a short summary

[sleek sapphire]

yes please

[sleek sapphire]

also hello there my comrade lol

[lime belfry]

she was originally an Austo-Hungarian Loyd merchant ship

got captured by Chinese during WW1

after a trial she was merged into the Chinese fleet

but due to upkeep cost, they later let an American trading company used her for a fee

after the contract expired, this company returned her to the Navy

she was further lent to a Chinese trading company

[sleek sapphire]

could u show me some pics about it? im curious

like... why it is set as a light cv in the game

[lime belfry]

Because she was a seaplane tender for a short time

but honestly 99% of the time she was just a merchant ship

[sleek sapphire]

i see

[shrewd pecan]

honestly

good luck finding anything more on her

[lime belfry]

that her

[shrewd pecan]

who knows if its actually her or not

[lime belfry]

probably

[sleek sapphire]

interesting

[lime belfry]

but honestly yeah

in 1924 she was turned into an amphibious support ship

can carry both seaplanes and troops

the Chinese claimed she carried like 8 seaplanes and 1000 men

and I was like "really ?"

sounds like a stretch

[sleek sapphire]

talk about seaplane, in ww2, did seaplane actually sometimes used to support and attack ground targets? or even warships target?

[lime belfry]

but the plane used is FBA-17 and 19

[sleek sapphire]

or just spot

[lime belfry]

seaplanes are used for recon, rescue operation

[spiral cedar]

Yes and yes

[sleek sapphire]

oh ok

[lime belfry]

it can bomb people but dont expect it to do much against anything larger than a gun boat

[spiral cedar]

As just USN examples, US floatplanes sometimes bombed ground targets, and a US flying boat scored the only successful Allied torpedo hit of the Battle of Midway on a Japanese transport

[sleek sapphire]

interesting

[lime belfry]

having chinese "CVL" is nice but AL, being semi-realistic, cant do much to make them good

they are weaker than rare CVL

Ranger, Hermes, Langley I will easily out dps these girls

make me kinda want to add those funny seaplane tenders

the one that carry BIG seaplanes

[shrewd pecan]

do to just how behind China is in WW2 in a lot of regards its hard to really make them work in azur lane without pulling either some bullshit or giving them postwar ships

[lime belfry]

if only some small countries get the same treatment

add 2 defense cruiser from Finland

slap a few Dutch DD in

add Canada as a faction

[shrewd pecan]

Canada should just be royal navy

[lime belfry]

kinda want Iron Blood to get a few big seaplane tender

if seaplane tender counts as CVL

[shrewd pecan]

I'd just combine the Scandy nations into one faction

there's plenty of ships there

[lime belfry]

yeah it kinda weird on faction decision

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre_Kronor-class_cruiser

[lime belfry]

they dont add any more ww2 faction

but decides to add a 1700s faction

I mean.... I am not complaining, it just a bit of a weird choice

do we truly run out of ww2 ships to add now and they decide to go super into the future with stuff like missile DD

while also travel back to time for a good old Sail ship

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjørgvin-class_coastal_defence_ship

[shrewd pecan]

I mean that's because the 1700s faction has more interesting shit

regarding missile ships meh main issue with them is the entire way the ships design works completely change

if added at all accurately it would power creep everything

[lime belfry]

combined all Scand countries together is a good idea

Sweden had some pretty good ship

Finland had 2 decent large coastal defense ship

Norway ? Dunno

Denmark ? probably no

[shrewd pecan]

Norway and Denmark had similar ships to the Fins

[eternal veldt]

Shinonome, a Fubuki class DD, was sunk by a Dutch flying boat.

[shrewd pecan]

eh never dawned on me that long beach was commissioned before the Albany's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Long_Beach_(CGN-9)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany-class_cruiser

[lime belfry]

wow that actually a pretty big navy

[shrewd pecan]

Navy was still building Baltimore conversions while making nuclear powered cruisers

[eternal veldt]

The Albanies are a ship crime

Absolutely hideous

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

you're gutting a WW2 ship to work with 1950s/early 60s missiles

[lime belfry]

damn the Norway has coastal BB ???

yeah u are right, if we just combine all Nordic countries together

got a pretty decent faction

[shrewd pecan]

Norway during the time had a rather significant merchant fleet alongside a decently sized navy

[eternal veldt]

Stord time

[shrewd pecan]

all together Scandy could make a faction

you could probably pull some bullshit with paper designs as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ålesund-class_destroyer

eh if anything I just hope one of these things gets a OC eventually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skjold-class_corvette

[shut wren]

Wouldn't Be Fun When the CCP comes knocking

[delicate beacon]

The area has 40 Swedish ships, 20 Nordic and 10 Polish surface ships fit for Azur Lane

[chilly osprey]

Tbh

Even with the post-war CCP, China would still be stuffed

Remember the PLAN really only grew into a blue-water force in the last ten years

So if you're not including 21st century ships, China still suffers a lot

[tepid bone]

Here's a french AA frigate Forbin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Forbin

[shrewd pecan]

Postwar CCP is still in a similar mess of second hand ships

[shut wren]

Not Untill 1970-80s you get a few Non second hand ones

[shrewd pecan]

I’m not talking about the 1970s and 80s

I’m talking about the immediate post year wars when both sides were receiving surplus 2nd world war ships

Yes we’re gonna for some reason throw type 053s into the equation

[shut wren]

They had some Captured Ones

from the ROC

[shrewd pecan]

so

A bunch of escort ships

And a single cruiser that was immediately sunk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Aurora_(12)

Who’s additionally already ingame

[shut wren]

To be fair They were Broke

[shrewd pecan]

yes but none of those are interesting additions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_D_escort_ship

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshan-class_destroyer

The other thing is

Who should actually get the ships, the people who actually used them during WW2 or China just to pad out a faction

[shut wren]

Yostar Gonna Pick China Because They dont want CCP to knock

[frigid karma]

if that were true, why isn't aurora DE?

[shut wren]

It sounds Too Royssian

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[shut wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719594768266690671/1064014607905202207/SPOILER_journalist.gif

Bullshit Bullshit with Bullshit

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Futureproofing Z plan

[shut wren]

i still want a 055

[frigid karma]

keep coping

[shut wren]

thanks

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616838621902012417

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1991, an F-14 from VF-103 became the only U.S. Navy Tomcat to be lost to hostile fire when it was shot down by an Iraqi missile. The pilot was recovered in the first combat search and rescue mission behind enemy lines since Vietnam, but the RIO was held as a POW for 6 weeks.

Twitter · Jan 21, 2023, 4:42 PM

[tribal mortar]

They need to add Swedish ships

they are cool

[ivory ridge]

[delicate beacon]

Why Sweden though

Still have the Netherlands, Spain and a whole bunch of minor belligerents on the table.

[frigid karma]

because swedish ships sound cool

[tough quail]

do they

[frigid karma]

you tell me

viking themes would be pretty neat too

[alpine onyx]

Got got got got got got got gotland

[ivory ridge]

You know she's Italian right

yes the name is swedish i know

[desert agate]

sten mk1

[frigid karma]

reliably terrible?

[tough quail]

texas is just actually american (kinda) but lapp isnt swedish or finnish

hg why

[frigid karma]

does lappland the character have any connection to ak sweden

[tough quail]

not that i know of, she's just a batshit crazy italian

[desert agate]

more AK aussies when

give me sick mining slaves

[frigid karma]

kroos is the only aussie you need

[desert agate]

M O R E

[ivory ridge]

I think Texas was in the AK US there but im still confused why the fuck her family is known as Texas even back in Siracusa

[tough quail]

yeah i have no idea

[ivory ridge]

also fwiw

[tough quail]

unless it's like

[ivory ridge]

Texas is her surname

[tough quail]

a reversal of the usual italian immigrant trope

[ivory ridge]

Lappland is her first name

[frigid karma]

AK characters are named the same way the British name their ships

[tough quail]

and its columbians moving over

[frigid karma]

dartboard and dictionary

[ivory ridge]

it's Lappland Saluzzo and Cellinia Texas

[tough quail]

"honey why did you name our daughter lappland"

oh, its my favorite region in sweden

"what's a sweden?"

thousand yard stare

[ivory ridge]

[eternal veldt]

Best starter ship

[tough quail]

im surprised they went with the swedish spelling tbh since there's like

no actual swedish parallel

while there is for finland

so tl;dr expect her localization to suddenly become finnish when italy event comes to global

[frigid karma]

i am imagining lappland talking like flamu and i am very scared

[junior trench]

Just don't ask what happened to AK Gaul

[tough quail]

blows up
still produces fantastic girls

look at this fucking cutie

[junior trench]

Tfw Gaul got Perfide Albion'd

[humble mulch]

Mother fuckers

AK belongs in Lore

[junior trench]

We're discussing the history of AK

[frigid karma]

gaul should've just had the druid potion

smh

[junior trench]

[frigid karma]

AK is closer to irl history then whatever AL pretends to be anyways

[junior trench]

It even has a collapsing UK

I mean what

[frigid karma]

well when is it not collapsing

[tough quail]

and a bunch of french secessionists

which is based

[frigid karma]

bassex

[tough quail]

basedx

[desert agate]

australian VAs for rim billiton when

please

[tough quail]

when they finally make amiya 6 stars and give her accent back

[desert agate]

[tough quail]

i like the idea of them being counted as a separate language too

[frigid karma]

do we have any mongolian bitches in AK

[desert agate]

the one time i have something to wank and its taken away from me

[frigid karma]

or are they still annexed by china

[tough quail]

yes

[frigid karma]

where

[tough quail]

none plauable but there's a whole mongol expy

that like

curbstomped the world

[junior trench]

Hit only reads the Aussie edition doujinshi, I see

[frigid karma]

good

[desert agate]

i do

its superior

[tough quail]

they're basically responsible for the current like

BC/AD split

[desert agate]

more understandable

[tough quail]

because they fucked up everyone

[frigid karma]

sounds like the mongols

[desert agate]

only country in the world that actually knows how to speak english

[frigid karma]

messing up shit even after they're irrelevant

"nooo we don't need navy we need more protection against mongols"

[junior trench]

I still find it funny that AK is fucked up thanks to magic human corpse coal

[tough quail]

this guy is one of the descendants

they're one of the cool horse subraces

which is fitting

[frigid karma]

more like radioactive waste

than coal, really

[tough quail]

its just ghetto tiberium

[junior trench]

Radioactive waste is overrated

It's remarkably boring

[frigid karma]

but there's cool warning phrases about it

[tough quail]

okay we really should hop over to lore if we keep rambling

[desert agate]

yeah shoo

[desert agate]

outta here before i go to lore myself

[humble mulch]

[tough quail]

sorry lads

[frigid karma]

is this not edgy as fuck while being cool

[desert agate]

and burn it down

[tough quail]

my name is horsememes i have to talk about the cool horses

[junior trench]

I like how people act like those warnings will work

[frigid karma]

full pic

[junior trench]

When similar warnings on like

[frigid karma]

it won't lmao

[junior trench]

Ancient tombs

Just meant they got robbed harder

Because either

No one can read the language

[frigid karma]

or they don't care

[junior trench]

Or they just don't care

[frigid karma]

yes but consider

free darwin awards

for the future

[junior trench]

Then again

We could literally fit all nuclear waste ever into the space of a single large Egyptian tomb

[frigid karma]

i mean, it's not really a fair comparison though

ancient tombs are written in a language no one speaks because their empires collapsed and shit

[desert agate]

Let's desecrate this shit

[frigid karma]

it's a lot easier with the vastness of information these days to keep those warnings translated

[tough quail]

on one hand, ethics

[frigid karma]

still not gonna stop idiots who try, but

[junior trench]

Sure

[tough quail]

on the other hand

[junior trench]

But if we can preserve language like that continuously then we don't need weirdly worded warnings

[tough quail]

a pyramid full of nuckear waste sounds like a fucking sick start point for a weird book setting

[junior trench]

We could just use normal warnings

[frigid karma]

but what about the marketing

how would you sell t-shirts with those boring ass warning phrases

[junior trench]

The only point at which we need the weird obsessive warnings is after such a cataclysmic event no one would understand them anyway

[frigid karma]

"nuclear waste here" boring, cliche

"what is here is dangerous and repulsive" spitting facts

those aren't the literal words to be spoken btw, just a set of guidelines that all nuclear warning messages should follow

[junior trench]

And the point where you need a warning like that means they don't work anyway

Just dump the shit into a subduction trench

[frigid karma]

5 million years later, radioactive eruption

[junior trench]

We literally already have those

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

throw it in greenland where no one lives

[desert agate]

https://youtu.be/8kxsHXERgs4

[frigid karma]

more common is the perception that the ping is a disadvantage in combat

which is just

no

[humble mulch]

Was looking into what tanks Romania captured during the war while apart of the Axis, to meme with my models, from Axis history forms but I've checked 3rd Axis 4th Ally as that's the source for this info and is easier to read

Hungry also used Stuart's as training tanks and I have some photos of em

Truly mister world wide

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687571931318321204/1066441635359101018/a42b47fed732a9bcc5f8c006ada0cd47.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687571931318321204/1066441635132624897/2a3890daa288ce565fa80a5764232c0e.jpg

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtORq4l6dmE

[thorn trail]

what theatre was this?

[shut wren]

Europe

It says germans

[spiral cedar]

Final stages of the Battle of the Hürtgen Forest

[thorn trail]

Ah

[deep apex]

The one that exploded

[tight bridge]

AC-47 in action

[frigid karma]

Cv-8 aircraft tug

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYZnqIzUEE

[chilly osprey]

Quick, someone do a feasibility study of mounting Marte ER on an AW249

[tough quail]

when you power level a helicopter in a jrpg

true

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1616943307606708225

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In 1980, a Soviet Tupolev Tu-95 Bear was approaching USS Coral Sea just as the air wing from USS Constellation happened to be performing a flyby. The Bear quickly left the area after the Soviet pilots saw more than a dozen planes behind them. #SeaStorySaturday

Likes

871

Retweets

118

Twitter · Jan 21, 2023, 11:38 PM

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1617088126958059520
https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1617088802421411841

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

The second batch of K2 Black Panther MBT and K9 SPH tanks is ready to be shipped to Poland.

Likes

357

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 22, 2023, 9:13 AM

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

K9 Self Propelled Howitzer not Tank.🙃

Twitter · Jan 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1617231279426076672

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1942, the Salmon-class submarine USS Sturgeon (SS-187) reported that she had torpedoed her first ship. The skipper sent the message "Sturgeon no longer virgin." However, post-war records indicate that the torpedoes were duds and failed to sink the target. #SubSunday

Twitter · Jan 22, 2023, 6:42 PM

[spiral cedar]

Sturgeon shooting blanks

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/government-insist-type-32-frigate-to-be-key-part-of-fleet/

[shrewd pecan]

oh cool a bunch of classified MIG-29 documents got leaked alongside Su-57 crap on the war thunder forums

[frigid karma]

so is this 2 or 1?

also im not sure what su-57 leak was on WT

[shrewd pecan]

Seems to be patent documents

Tho I heard crap about RCS data being included

Which is comical if true

[dapper parcel]

Well, patent document are supposed to be public

[shrewd pecan]

yeah so nothing major there

I haven’t had time to go through the leak itself so I’ll have to take a peak when I get home

[frigid karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10hjri6/su57_leak_su57_leak/

this one?

not much of a leak, really

[junior trench]

there's a public F-22 patent

[frigid karma]

if it's on google patents

[junior trench]

the funny part is where the Su-57 patent describes RCS reduction and goals

[shrewd pecan]

yeah that’s the one I think

[junior trench]

which are in line with... a Super Hornet

[frigid karma]

was there a mig-29 leak on WT?

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[frigid karma]

i googled for some and i didn't find any

guess the mods nuked it quickly

[thorn trail]

Not all patents are public

[ivory ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/10ht6s0/it_happened_again_from_what_i_have_seen_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[thorn trail]

the US government has some close to 6000 secret patents

[ivory ridge]

the guy literally says "the secrecy regime has not been officially lifted"

[frigid karma]

arent mig29's also mostly like

declassified by now

[thorn trail]

Former Warsaw Pact countries declassified them

But I think they're still not declassified in Russia

[shrewd pecan]

One of the things people are passing around

[thorn trail]

also

0.1m^2 RCS

[frigid karma]

0,1-1, lol, lmao

[thorn trail]

that's the RCS of a Hornet clean

LMAO

[junior trench]

Super Hornet

[shrewd pecan]

actually comical

[thorn trail]

even the J-20 has better RCS than that

[junior trench]

I would hope the J-20 did

considering they rushed it out the door with stealth shaping without allowing for vortex lift

which is why it needs canards

even then it's never going to be much of a turner

[frigid karma]

doesn't canards make stealth shaping redundant

[junior trench]

not entirely

[frigid karma]

explain

[junior trench]

you can put RCS on a canard

you just can't put as much of it

and so long as it's not being actively used it's still in line with the rest of the aircraft

but the moment you need to deflect them, yeah, it'll fuck up the rcs

[thorn trail]

Apparently Taiwan showed their findings of the RCS of the J-20 (thanks flybys) and it shows it to be lower than the SU-57 (frontally at least)

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t really think RCS is going to matter as much if you’re in the middle of making rapid maneuvers since that implies stealth has already failed

[thorn trail]

the round engine exhaust of the J-20 really hurts it's rear RCS

[dapper parcel]

That's why "supposed"
A public patent only have to describe the unique idea, not necessarily including a working method nor describe the actual working principle
Like, if you absolutely need to do A before you apply a secret method B to get C, you can just patent A while effectively still block B

And of course you can also do "secret patent" as you describe, tho it only work on said country

[junior trench]

you don't need to be making hard maneuvers to deflect a canard enough to mess with rcs

[shrewd pecan]

fair

[junior trench]

the bigger issue, for Su-57, is that even if the RCS is better than listed

the much wanked IRST needs a special cover to keep it stealthy

and the moment you turn it on the cover needs to be retracted

which is to say the Su-57 needs to break stealth to allegedly find stealth

[thorn trail]

lmao

[shrewd pecan]

Real winner the Russians have here

[junior trench]

it's also not an imaging IRST

[dapper parcel]

Typical submarine problem

[junior trench]

and can only reach maximum range via radar cueing

[frigid karma]

bigger issue is getting an su57 out of the factory

[junior trench]

can you see the problem?

[frigid karma]

remind me what radar cueing is again?

i forgor

[thorn trail]

hold on. So a passive detection system, requires an active detection system to perform its best

What

[junior trench]

F-35 EO-DAS comes into the submarine problem and flattens it with out of context solutions like being able to look everywhere at the same time with a distributed network of tiny IR cameras that can spot ballistic missile launches at 1500+ km

[junior trench]

yes

[maiden citrus]

[thorn trail]

why not just use radar to search for the target

like what?!?!

[junior trench]

because your opponent is stealth

[dapper parcel]

Admitently you can do bistatic, but then you need two Su-57

And sacrifice one

[junior trench]

imagine trying to spot an airplane passing overhead with a stargazing telescope without any of kind of sensory cue

that's what searching with IRST only is like

or well, IRST on max range

at closer range it can just pan wildly and try to spot heat sources

in passing

but when your competition is the eye of fucking sauron

https://youtu.be/qF29GBSpRF4

[thorn trail]

wait does the Su-57 have a PESA or AESA radar

[shrewd pecan]

AESA

if it had a PESA in the lords year of 2023 we would be mocking it even more

[junior trench]

everything else in inventory is stuck with a PESA

[thorn trail]

wait the Typhoon used to use PESA as well right?

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but that was early typhoon

We’re talking about fifth gen here

[junior trench]

https://youtu.be/v5VuCsQJy8Y?t=36

F-35 just

looking in every direction

all the time

and lets the pilot look through the plane via the visor display

[frigid karma]

wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIwAOupjMeM&t=86s&ab_channel=NorthropGrumman

[junior trench]

one of my favorite tidbits is the radar alone being able to spot the patterns left in mowed grass by the mower

[dapper parcel]

Now I wonder where they manufacture their HEMT?

[thorn trail]

I wonder how many man-hours of programming time it took to program the entire radar system of the F-35

and how many lines of code it took

[dapper parcel]

I refuse to believe that in this day and age that a simple ejectable flare can't be discriminated by something as simple as a kalman filtering

[shrewd pecan]

All good AIM-9s crave the forbidden heat signature

[shut wren]

My aim-9b taking 2 mins to lock and misses:

[shrewd pecan]

me flinging all 6 AIM-9Ls on my 16 just to miss all but 2

[shut wren]

Imagine having more than 2

[frigid karma]

take your pick

[spiral cedar]

Baconator

[shut wren]

Dronesarebetterbutwelikewastingmoneso....

[frigid karma]

if they liked wasting money they'd just keep building B-2s

B-21s are very much a more cost efficient plane and program

[shut wren]

you said pick

[frigid karma]

ik, but i'm just pointing out the flaw in that nickname

[shut wren]

But we do like wasting money

[frigid karma]

more money for the MIC

I like the sound of calling it a carrier pidgeon

[spiral cedar]

Test

[frigid karma]

saving for posterity

[spiral cedar]

[shut wren]

alr brb i have to collect my 50cents

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-gif-25912244

[shut wren]

But the way she's drawn make it look less stealthy than my Mig-17

[ivory ridge]

what

[shut wren]

Look at image

[frigid karma]

the tits are radar absorbent

sadly, fondling them will give you cancer

[ivory ridge]

a small price to pay

[frigid karma]

we already have cancer anyways

from witnessing 5 IB skins in one patch

[shut wren]

For titties

[shut wren]

What if I fondle them with A hazmat suit on

[shrewd pecan]

sorry I'm a B-1 lancer supremacist

[dapper parcel]

0/10 anthro not trying to bone you

[spiral cedar]

Something something spear wordplay

[frigid karma]

oh hey, sidewinder has 3d model now

[spiral cedar]

Nice

[spiral cedar]

☀️

                                 ![Missile1](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901508077738684556.webp?size=128 "Missile1")![Missile2](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901508089264631828.webp?size=128 "Missile2")![Missile3](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901508100090105866.webp?size=128 "Missile3")

[dapper parcel]

Wait, do sidewinder ever had the locking at sun problem?

[shut wren]

I still love my mig17

[spiral cedar]

Reflection of the Sun on ocean was an issue

[shrewd pecan]

interesting

[shrewd pecan]

most of Atamonic's stuff is pretty mid tbh

[frigid karma]

true, it's mostly just a random anime girl next to some ordnance

then again, unlike a ship there's not a lot of visual cues you can use to make a stronger reference

with a plane or missile

plongirls are kind of mid for me design wise, maybe welkin will change that

[lime belfry]

Mig17 is so underrated

[ivory ridge]

isnt that a cruise missile

[ivory ridge]

older ones did

[desert agate]

No drone can match the B-21 in capability it is the best multi-role bomber platform on the planet

[frigid karma]

He knows that was one of the names in the pic

[ivory ridge]

Ok but

10 thousand drones

[frigid karma]

Counterpoint

[desert agate]

Oh

[ivory ridge]

/s

[frigid karma]

Those drones are not named after hornet’s bitches

[desert agate]

Sorry EN moment

[frigid karma]

Ergo they are inferior

Must stan hornet

[lime belfry]

B-52 still the ultimate bomber

[shut wren]

man what da hell

Im tryna grind

[desert agate]

B-52 is pathetic compared to B-21

[frigid karma]

I mean

[shut wren]

Aw yes,Who would know something from the future would be more advanced

[frigid karma]

They serve different roles entirely, you send in the b52 to drop fuck tons of shit on places with no modern aa

[tough quail]

goofy

[frigid karma]

B21 is for the actually tough missions

Also b52 can fly to mars

[desert agate]

You send in the B-52 to fucking die

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

Now that B-21 exists, B-1, B-2 and B-52 are all wasted money

[shrewd pecan]

her main mission set is dumping tons of cruise missiles

[frigid karma]

Btw hit

He is almost certainly saying b52 is the ultimate bomber as a joke, primarily because he’s a Vietnam War guy

And I don’t believe the b21 was around back then

still took pretty bad losses then lmao

Called buff for a reason

[shut wren]

N a M

[desert agate]

Linebacker 3 lmfaoo

[shut wren]

alr I go back to my cave GN

[desert agate]

But it's 1030

Unless you're not in China like I perhaps erroneously presumed

[frigid karma]

Where you live

[shut wren]

NY

and im Sick asf rn

[desert agate]

Oh lmao

[frigid karma]

Tankies and not living in China slash Russia

[shut wren]

My soul has been sucked clean by the snail

[eternal veldt]

Its 1026, hit, fake news

Smh

[frigid karma]

It’s 6:27

[shut wren]

its 927 for me

[desert agate]

Shaddup I'm lazy

[shrewd pecan]

its akually 8:27

[frigid karma]

Midwesterner

Cringe

[shrewd pecan]

I get to die in 2 feet of snow

[frigid karma]

2 feet of rain here

[shut wren]

2 feet of Rats here

[shrewd pecan]

New York city

[shut wren]

yes

[shrewd pecan]

it all lines up

[shut wren]

Let me go back to my Cave in peace

[shrewd pecan]

your 2x2 studio apartment with no window

[shut wren]

I live outside of NYC

[shrewd pecan]

ah your 20x20 foot suburban hellscape house

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

I want to go back to sleep

[shut wren]

Fr this time I gotta go back to my cave

[desert agate]

But there's people outside my house fucking mulching trees

At 1030am

[shut wren]

Get your glock

[frigid karma]

Munching trees?

[desert agate]

On a Monday

[frigid karma]

[shut wren]

Shoot the mfs

[desert agate]

Mulching qwerty

[shut wren]

Do it the american way

[desert agate]

I'm not american

[frigid karma]

Same difference

[eternal veldt]

Most peaceful conflict resolution method

[frigid karma]

He’s an Aussie

Just fucking

Do some war crimes or something

[eternal veldt]

Yes, just fuck them

[shut wren]

Get your emu

and lazer kiwi

[frigid karma]

That’s nz

[desert agate]

I'd go outside and start swearing but they've got a job to do

[frigid karma]

He’s not a kiwi

[shut wren]

my bad

but get the emu

[desert agate]

Just wish they could do it on not monday

Cant wait for the 3 day weekend

[eternal veldt]

laughs in CNY

Thank fuck I finally get some proper shut eye

[shut wren]

cant open my packs until feb 5

[frigid karma]

They allowed fireworks in Beijing now

Thank fuck I don’t live there because I know I wouldn’t be sleeping

[eternal veldt]

Skill issue

and fireworks was always allowed

[frigid karma]

..no?

There were pretty strict restrictions for locals setting those off in the past few years

[shrewd pecan]

do you really want to go into zero covid here?

[shut wren]

it was banned til recently

[frigid karma]

This is b4 Covid

[eternal veldt]

Oh, right, covid, yea.

[shut wren]

I live in Guangdong anyways

[frigid karma]

Anyways that is modern politics so moving on

[frigid karma]

Guangdong, NY?

[shut wren]

Wrong wording my bad

[frigid karma]

Those American city names are getting crazy

[shut wren]

My home province is Guangdong

[frigid karma]

Ah

[shut wren]

But i currently live in NY

man I miss home

Dem dogs taste good tho

[frigid karma]

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

next time i go back I take photos

[frigid karma]

Google en passant

[shut wren]

Im going back to sleep

[desert agate]

Bingo Bango bongo I'm so happy in the kongo

[frigid karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXqWdtsFqsc&ab_channel=Bergman777

[lime belfry]

Do we have instances where torpedo net work ?

I mean against ww2 torpedo

And what the specific torpedo that can defeat it

And made them remove it once and for all

[desert agate]

Pretty sure torpedo nets are still a concept

Just not really used anymore with the evolution of submarine tactics and doctrine

[spiral cedar]

Do you have JSTOR access? University perhaps

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1982775

If so this is probably of interest

[eternal veldt]

Torpedo nets are used in both wars

You see those booms hanging off the side of dreadnoughts, those are it

I also posted the picture of lots of US cruisers together at Pearl, surrounded by nets

I suspect it's more deterrence more than actually working

[spiral cedar]

I mean, they probably would have worked

But they were not fitted on Dec 7 1941 because the fleet was meant to be able to sortie out on short notice, and the nets make the process longer

[desert agate]

They utterly covered Sydney in them after the Japanese raid

Off goes the lusty

[dapper parcel]

Holy hell

[deep apex]

From NCD

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_gap

[cinder escarp]

Of course, being NCD, it's wrong

[maiden citrus]

just like the missile gap

[subtle prawn]

(How often does NCD get stuff wrong?)

[maiden citrus]

not sure, but bomber gap and missile gap being incorrect is pretty easily verifiable

[deep apex]

Thing is we did build a lot of bombers

Around 2500

[maiden citrus]

the best part of course being even the cia numbers which were lower than the air force numbers were still way over what actually existed and an overestimation

'they have this many we think'
'no way, probably like this, less than that'
-the reality is it's even less than both-

[cinder escarp]

It started off alright, but as its grown it has gotten worse

There's one history channel I am in where NCDposting is a psuedo-bannable offense now.

[maiden citrus]

the best counter to 30 bombers, just build 10, no... 100 times as much

[ivory ridge]

It's literally in the name

Non credible

[frigid karma]

The problem is they make jokes based off incorrect assumptions

[deep apex]

You guys don't like LazerPig I presume then?

[frigid karma]

me personally, i just accept the place is full of dumbasses and go in shitposting anyways

[chilly osprey]

The armored cruiser San Giorgio, which was being used as a floating AA battery in Tobruk in 1940-41, was protected by torpedo nets. When inspected after the (first) fall of Tobruk, they found 39 torpedoes lodged in the nets

[frigid karma]

ehh, lazerpig is alright

he is kind of cringey with some jokes

and plagiarizes sometimes, which is a no no

[ivory ridge]

LT already mentioned his dislike of LP

[frigid karma]

but i like his drunken rants

[subtle prawn]

(Vae suggested NCDposting as a bannable offense (as a joke?) in the r/wows server not too long ago)

[maiden citrus]

lazerpig is a tanky litmus test

[frigid karma]

to detect if tankie or if not tankie?

[chilly osprey]

Lazerpig is entertainment

[ivory ridge]

Hurr durr we use his videos as punishment hurr durr

[cinder escarp]

Oh, we absolutely did. But, only because politicians of the time kept the kept the bomber gap myth alive for their own purposes and had to show they were working on the gap as long as they kept it alive.

[frigid karma]

[chilly osprey]

But don't take him at his words on details

[ivory ridge]

[cinder escarp]

Problem with LaserPig, for me, isn't his style of humor or editing. It's entirely due to bad sourcing and talking out of his depth.

[frigid karma]

ye, ncd and lp are two classic places where outsiders and insiders take them a bit too seriously

[chilly osprey]

I'm no tank expert, so I can't dismantle stuff like his video on the T-34 - but his Piorun video had a lot of factual errors/embellishments of facts

[frigid karma]

I mean

[ivory ridge]

Welcome to modern memes enjoy your stay

[chilly osprey]

To the point where he was spinning a story radically different from what actually happened

[frigid karma]

if you take lazerpig any more seriously than you do the fat electrician, you're approaching it wrong

you guys know who the fat electrician is, right?

[chilly osprey]

Pretty much, yeah

Like I said, he's entertainment

Not someone to take notes from

[spiral cedar]

All I know is that he had some sketchy descriptions of US battleships from two shorts I saw once

[deep apex]

better than Gonzalo Liro

[spiral cedar]

One about Texas

The other I forgot

[maiden citrus]

I didn't remember who that was until jaba mentioned this stuff then I remembered

yeah he was funny

[ivory ridge]

All i saw from thaf guy are shorts where he just goes

Yeah here is this american thing and why it's the best thing that was ever made

[frigid karma]

'murica good, gib clicks'

[deep apex]

shorts

[frigid karma]

tbf his newer stuff is a lot more professionally produced than tiktok green screens, but it's mostly the same content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slBWDTbRxkU&t=245s&ab_channel=TheFatElectrician