One of the shafts was destroyed and another was kept inactive as a precaution, but the boilers and turbines were fine
#history
chilly osprey
manic latch
Seems I remember it by wiki 
But if you want the joke answer.
Black hole's mass is so high its gravity pull slows the time around it for the outside observer
chilly osprey
Seems I remember it by wiki <a:cryingjesusholy:1007259909584335018>
Yeah, no, that's just not correct.
The port turbine groups were ordered stopped, not knocked out - the outboard group because it's shaft was destroyed, and in the inboard one because of contamination in the lubricant system (they did not want to endanger the shaft unless they absolutely had to). The starboard shafts turbine systems were fine, however (inboard shaft was briefly stopped to deal with lubricant contamination but was soon back online).
manic latch
shut wren
alpine onyx
I do have that figure in fact
For Scheer and her two generators
But that's at home, and am on vacation, so in 24h I'll come back to you
alpine onyx
Danke danke
spiral cedar
warships produced water?
When a Shikikan and a shipgirl love each other very much, but Shikikan is always busy with paperwork and the shipgirl is regularly out to sea…
spring briar
spiral cedar
Sometimes the shipgirl will have…daydreams. Fantasies. That sort of thing
chilly osprey
So, unfortunately a lot of the really graular stuff like twist rate I can't help you on. But, otherwise;
So, this gun is the Cannone da 76/62 SMP-3 (Stabilimenti Meccanici di Pozzuoli 3")
The gun fired a 6 kg shell at 950 m/s, and could elevate up to +90°. Maximum range is given as 16,000 meters and a cieling of 11,500 meters, and the cylical of fire is described as 50 rpm. The gun would fire either in a single shot or in bursts, and using a 14-round 'drum' within the turret, as can be seen in the attached image. After all ammunition was expended, the gun would have to elevate to +90° and the drum would be reloaded, and then the gun returned to the firing position - the while process took about 3 seconds.
All the above comes from Esploratori, Fregate, Corvette, ed Avvisi Italiani 1861-1968 by Franco Bargoni (USMM, Rome, 1970), pg. 582-583 & p. 684.
There is another article, which can be found online, that discusses the casulty in Dutch service: http://giuseppe-peluso.blogspot.com/2012/02/smp3-lultimo-cannone-di-pozzuoli.html
Evidently a fairly complex system, with considerable inertia, and a certain delay even in the return to the point of aim. One of the problems encountered is the method and speed of feed of the "drum or revolver". On the Dutch corvette “Lynx”, later returned to Italy as “Aquila”, there is a serious accident; during the phase of coupling a cartridge into the ammunition elevator, where the movement is ensured by rollers, a hitch occurs, blocking the cartridge in a certain position. At the time there was talk of excessive or incorrect lubrication, and the movement of the rollers on the blocked cartridge, with friction, led to overheating and the subsequent explosion of the charge. Unfortunately there were casualties and this had serious repercussions on the development of the gun.
spring briar
Simp 3
kindred reef
Producing fresh water
so it just purifies the sea water?
delicate beacon
yup
delicate beacon
So, unfortunately a lot of the really graular stuff like twist rate I can't help...
Where is this online article originally from?
Wait, I'm not seeing the text you cited
chilly osprey
Some publication called 'Appuntamento con la Storia' ('Appointment with History')
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with it in general, but you can find it online, or at least the series it belongs to
frigid karma
Sometimes the shipgirl will have…daydreams. Fantasies. That sort of thing
not the same water
chilly osprey
As far as the text I cited - that excerpt is on the third page of the article
chilly osprey
The original text reads as;
Evidentemente un sistema abbastanza complesso, con notevoli inerzie, ed un cero ritardo anche nel rientro in punteria. Uno dei problemi riscontrati è il metodo e la velocità di alimentazione del "tamburo o revolver”. Sulla corvetta olandese “Linx”, poi restituita all'Italia come “Aquila”, si verifica un grave incidente; durante la fase di aggancio di una cartuccia nella noria, dove il movimento è assicurato da rulli, si verifica un intoppo, bloccando la cartuccia in una determinata posizione. Si parlò a suo tempo di eccessiva od errata lubrificazione, ed il movimento dei rulli sulla cartuccia bloccata, con l'attrito, portarono al surriscaldamento ed alla successiva esplosione della carica. Purtroppo ci furono vittime e questo ebbe gravi ripercussioni sullo sviluppo del cannone.
frigid karma
is the forced elevation to 90 degree for reloading a unique feature for this gun, or mostly the case for modern aaa
because most artillery i know of has you lower the gun elevation before reloading
kindred reef
not the same water
yeah but if you feed that into the sea water purifier then you can have infinite drinkable water
chilly osprey
It's not unique to this gun, but it's not very common
frigid karma
that's why i haven't heard of it, then
delicate beacon
chilly osprey
This is because the reloading feature is actually for the 14-round drum that it uses to spit out rounds at 50 rpm cylical
The Swedish 57mm does something similar
delicate beacon
Lemme check
chilly osprey
You get a 40-round burst, then it has to take about 8 seconds to cycle to another 40-round clip, where the gun raises to maximum elevation
chilly osprey
On the Mk.3/Mk.110, you can do this 3 times (120 ready rounds total)
And then apparently to replentish all 120 rounds it takes 2-3 minutes
kindred reef
apparently france had a push-pull bomber
shut wren
It looks so familiar
humble mulch
Oh they could get caught lol
They had a few push pull bombers in ww1 too, I’m not to keen on their specs but I’m fairly certain they weren’t incredibly great designs going into the Second World War
kindred reef
Oh they could get caught lol
I thought that push-pull engine configuration was optimal for speed
shut wren
it looks too bulky
shut wren
I thought that push-pull engine configuration was optimal for speed
Found em
Farman F.220
max speed 360 km/h
shut wren
It looks bulky bruh
shut wren
80 was built it says
kindred reef
kgv best ship class ong
spiral cedar
The South Dakota had better AA, though the KGV had better torpedo protection. The British used a multi-layered torpedo defence system, whereas the Americans did not.
kindred reef
bro prince of wales should have got better aa it isnt fair
delicate beacon
Jaba, with the amount of cringe you're purposefully chasing I have to wonder
Are you a masochist?
spiral cedar
Not really
Battlecruisers typically exchanged armor for speed — Scharnhorst had 350mm of belt armor, in comparison to the SoDaks 310mm. I personally consider her a Battleship because of this, though I can see why some people consider her a BC due to her armament. That said, Scharnhorsts guns weren’t that inferior to the KGVs guns; Scharnhorst was able to pen 600mm of armor at point blank, in comparison to the KGVs 730mm and New Mexico’s 690mm.
maiden citrus
it's just funny to see people be wrong
thorn trail
```Battlecruisers typically exchanged armor for speed — Scharnhorst had 350mm of...
Why Scharnhorst had thicker belt armor than the SoDaks? can someone explain this to me
shut wren
go ask the people who built em
spiral cedar
Why Scharnhorst had thicker belt armor than the SoDaks? can someone explain this...
All these I’m quoting here are dumb people saying dumb things
Point and laugh, don’t trust
thorn trail
All these I’m quoting here are dumb people saying dumb things
according to wikipedia scharnhorst had 350mm and SoDaks had 310mm. Idk if that's true and all but if that's the case then why again does the SoDak have better armor protection overall?
spiral cedar
Anyway, Scharnhorst has a 12.6” vertical belt and South Dakota had a 12.2” inclined (19 deg from vertical) belt
thorn trail
or is the 350mm belt armor only in a smaller percentage of the belt compared to the SoDak?
thorn trail
Anyway, Scharnhorst has a 12.6” vertical belt and South Dakota had a 12.2” incli...
Ah inclined belt got it
spiral cedar
350mm is incorrect btw, it’s 320mm
thorn trail
350mm is incorrect btw, it’s 320mm
Wait really?
thorn trail
A quick search always says 350mm
What's the reason for the wrong armor belt thickness?
spiral cedar
It still says Colorado has a 16 inch belt for example
eager dove
It’s incorrect given that period German sources say it’s 320mm
Some authors picked up a wrong figure and it’s been handed around without proper fact checking
thorn trail
Gröner, Erich (1990). German Warships: 1815–1945. Vol. I: Major Surface Vessels. Annapolis: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 978-0-87021-790-6.
This is apparently the reference Wikipedia is using for armor thickness
spiral cedar
KGV’s barbette had even thicker 15″ plating [than South Dakota]
Ah yes, if I just lie use the wrong numbers, then 12.75” > 17.3” 
This is from the Bundesarchiv
320mm is fairly apparent
Modern sources agree on 320mm
The 350mm figure at some point spontaneously generated and then got repeated by others to form a self-reinforcing loop
thorn trail
The 350mm figure at some point spontaneously generated and then got repeated by ...
Ah ok ok
Wait what was the thinnest ww2 Battleship that was still called a battleship and not a battlecruiser
spiral cedar
Kongō
frigid karma
```Battlecruisers typically exchanged armor for speed — Scharnhorst had 350mm of...
283 vs 356
comparable
thorn trail
7.84” main belt
How fast were the Kongos again
spiral cedar
are all of these text boxes quora?
Yeh
30ish knots
Armor and protection is subjective. KGV was better. Bismark was simply bad. Scharnhorst was actually pretty good and on par with North Carolina. Damage done to the italian and French ships indicates their protection was marginal.
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
The SD internal main belt was angled to optimize it’s function. The outer plating on the ship was normal steel and had little effect, but the same arrangement on the Iowas used high strength (basically Class B armor) for the outer plate and it had a positive impact.
Ah yes, STS > STS 
thorn trail
```The SD internal main belt was angled to optimize it’s function. The outer pla...
Didn't they have the same steel type used?
maiden citrus
yes, that's the joke
spiral cedar
Yes, hence my “STS > STS” comment
thorn trail
Also Jaba why are you torturing yourself reading dumb Quora comments and answers
spiral cedar
Because it’s funny
maiden citrus
seeing people be stupid is amusing
spiral cedar
The 16″ guns were superb with the 2700 pound shell but the smaller older 16″ rounds were an issue. Reports are the barrel wear was actually worse and they had more accuracy problems.
Ah yes the…
No, actually, I’m pretty sure almost all of this is just wrong
The KGV’s 14″ shells were closer to 15″ in penetration, powder charge and accuracy. They were excellent weapons, just a little small. The rest were mixed bag. The Bismark 15″ gun ‘s reputation was based entirely on one hit on the Hood. Evidence is mixed otherwise. The French and Italian 15″ were also mixed.
KGV 14” = 15” and excellent, also all the non-British 15” were mediocre
maiden citrus
delicate beacon
20k words and 122 pages 
spiral cedar
Put simply STS is not armour, was not intended to be armour, and pretending it was armour to inflate the defensive capability of ships kike SoDak or Iowa is dishonest on their part.
Ah yes, which is why STS was not used as belt and deck armor for US cruisers, and was not a significant fraction of battleship deck armor…or was it…
thorn trail
Pack it up boys. Krupp armor steel is not armor
All Battleships never had armor in the first place
maiden citrus
if it ain't harvey it don't exist
you thought you built a ship but it was but a dream
thorn trail
if it ain't harvey it don't exist
Nah go back to ironclad armor instead. Steel isn't a good armor at all
thorn trail
no armor is best armor
Fisher when planning HMS Incomparable
manic latch
Why Cleveland didn't had 15 152mm like Brooks
spiral cedar
Brooklyns, especially St. Louis subclass, were marginal for topweight
So to fit the heavier 5”/38 armament planned they gave up 3 x 6” for 2 x 2 x 5”
Which improved stability margins
Which promptly evaporated to wartime AA refits
manic latch
shut wren
manic latch
Love how British goes
Transom stern for G3 N3
Then normal stern for Nelson and KGVs
Then Transom again for Lion and Vanguard
subtle prawn
thorn trail
https://old.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/101702z/689_x_465_aircraft_carrier...
lumbering carrier hurts her own sister due to her weight
manic latch
Yeah Frankenstein
frigid karma
imagine her in AL
manic latch
imagine her in AL
Terror 2?
frigid karma
the possibilities are horrifying
no it's literally like
two destroyers being combined into one hivemind
like emden, but a lot more gruesome
frigid karma
nah, that's a bit disturbing
i'm talking like kind of like terror
in that her body is stitched up
but she has two conflicting personalities/souls fighting each other in her
manic latch
two destroyers being combined into one hivemind
There is also the Soviet Project. 7-U destroyer Storozhevoy, which was hit by a German Schnellboot torpedo from bow, which was then replaced by the front-section of an incomplete Project 30 (Ognevoy) destroyer, giving it two single rear and a twin front turret.
eternal veldt
Transoms arent necessarily good. The transom stern on HMS Adventure, a minelayer, failed spectacularly. It sucked mines back after they were laid, and had to be reconstructed with a cruiser stern.
eternal veldt
Love how British goes
Transom stern for G3 N3
Then normal stern for Nelson and...
Re: this.
inland thicket
The reliability of those rockets would be seriously questionable. To have performance, you need decent quality.
hollow wind
can I challenge you people to guess what war we talkin bout by only 2 pics (if the pics looks rather different than the original it's bcs I edited it)
the only thing I'm surprised about in this war is how all that artillery and bombing didn't kill more than the amount of fleeing soldiers
spiral cedar
Gulf War 1991
hollow wind
well
I bet to make a war with almost no records you just go search the most random wars in B.C age and post it
shrewd pecan
both of those are the most iconic photos from that war man
frigid karma
Sacking of Rome by the Visigoths, clearly
hollow wind
American Civil warn't
spiral cedar
No and no
spiral cedar
eternal veldt
Average Mark Stille Fanfiction 2 boogaloo
eternal veldt
Also, a severe lack of punctuactions
kindred reef
a tiger tank would have never made it out of germany, my friend
unless it had a logistics convoy trailing behind
spiral cedar
Tunisia
kindred reef
yeah ik but they broke down getting there no doubt
eternal veldt
that wouldve been interesting
Given how 3 tiger tanks fared against Rodney, yea...
kindred reef
what
eternal veldt
General Paul Hausser, commander of the II SS Panzer Corps, was forced at the end of June to tell his higher commanders a ‘murderous fire from naval guns’ together with concentrated fire of British Army artillery had ‘destroyed the bulk of our attacking force in its assembly area.’ He continued: ‘The few tanks that did manage to go forward were easily stopped by the British anti-tank guns.
kindred reef
oh i thought that the tanks shot at the ship lmao
eternal veldt
9th – At 0200 hours the Luftwaffe mounted an attack by 150 aircraft on shipping off the beachhead.
At 0845 hours RODNEY fired 15 rounds of 16in at German tanks of the 12th SS Panzer Division in support of Operation CHARNWOOD. One of RODNEY’s 16in shells destroyed the spire of the Church of Saint-Pierre in Caen.
tribal mortar
> General Paul Hausser, commander of the II SS Panzer Corps, was forced at the e...
Hausser realising he’s fokked.
eternal veldt
Fuck your church too
tribal mortar
What is this? A fanfic?
spiral cedar
Quora post
eternal veldt
Its good, it can apparently make it to books now
eternal veldt
Russian BB development also stopped dead at Pr 23 according to him
So Pr 23 bis/NU, Pr. 24, and the smaller BB proposals are all fake
tough quail
i want to die
eternal veldt
Matsu class DDs according to him are also frontline DDs
Forget Ushio, Yukikaze, and you know... All the ducks just sitting there
I refunded the book in 30 minutes
Reason: quality issue
tough quail
tough quail
I dunno if the lower deck cuts off the citadel
maiden citrus
I was injured by laughter at how any of these ships could even exist on the same plane of Iowa if they were in a shootout, but I got put on life support when QE 'held back' at 24 knots
eternal veldt
The funny thing is how they wank about torpedoes
Renown deleting 4 of her toobs in Rosyth in late 1941
maiden citrus
close to torpedo range on a ship faster than you, that is immune to your weapons, that you have negative 40k yard immune zone on
just do it
eternal veldt
close to torpedo range on a ship faster than you, that is immune to your weapons...
See, they have 32mm plating, just bow in and ch-
frigid karma
See, they have 32mm plating, just bow in and ch-
Iowa can disengage with her 12.4 km conceal tho
dusty kraken
I hate it when a ship magically disappears when I exceed a 12km radius from it
frigid karma
No no
Project wghattan was an off shoot of the Manhattan nuke project, where they developed torpedoes that ignore torpedo protection
maiden citrus
Yup, Iowa would deuce them all easy
Some of the best battleship armor in the world versus 13.5 inch shells of the worst quality made
Not to mention, of course, that, even for the era they’re from their armor was bad, it would be like hitting Mikasa with Colorado
valid trout
What is this from
eternal veldt
To be clear, they are talking about the WWI ships
WW1 British BC with insanity levels of Flash protection
What next, Fisher himself commanding the British squadron and fiercely shake fists at Iowa?
maiden citrus
fisher, angry not because iowa is slow, but because it has armor
spiral cedar
What is this from
Quora silliness
valid trout
Oh ok
eternal veldt
Slight good news for the paint sniffers - Rodney is highly-likely to be red-bottomed
Meaning, out of the 5 capital ships that had major involvement with Bismarck, 4 of them are grey bottomed (PoW, KGV, Hood, Ark Royal) , with the sole exception of Rodney 
Victorious and Repulse I guess also counts too, but damage is relatively less remarkable
tough quail
her hull was grey too, until it morphed into red out of sheer rage
quiet falcon
Just a curious question, do we have ships that use Pierced Steel Planks
spring briar
delicate beacon
Why?
desert agate
that use what?
manic latch
Just a curious question, do we have ships that use Pierced Steel Planks
Hakuryu have these dots on her deck but I don't think it's for that purpose
Tho I'm wondering what those holes are for
Goes through whole deck
alpine onyx
And do you mind if I ask the source? Just in case they ask?
taken from the horse's mouth of course
don't have a page, but with the date that should be no issue to find
chilly osprey
Thanks again!
kindred reef
Was the Spitfire mark 9 the fastest non-jet plane in ww2?
delicate beacon
Me-163 ))
kindred reef
Was the Spitfire mark 9 the fastest propeller driven aircraft in ww2?
manic latch
Was the Spitfire mark 9 the fastest non-jet plane in ww2?
Sounds like a British propaganda
kindred reef
Sounds like a British propaganda
but wasnt it?
kindred reef
i always forget about the pfeil because it wasn't used much
and i saw a p-47 one time irl and it just never struck me as the fast type
manic latch
I think that "spitfire record' was done with thing diving at 45°
manic latch
XP-47J (variant of P-47) has claimed record of 504mph(811km/h)
kindred reef
and i saw a p-47 one time irl and it just never struck me as the fast type
also the one i saw had a bomb and several rockets on the belly so i guess that is why i thought it was slow
manic latch
also the one i saw had a bomb and several rockets on the belly so i guess that i...
47 has 2000hp engine
Really helps
Mark 24 was standard?
Or else yeah there is this girl
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_209
469mph
No gun weight tho
kindred reef
looks neat
manic latch
That's its purpose
kindred reef
but no guns
manic latch
Created just to break speed record
manic latch
Wait...That's very fast
Even latest ww2 variant of F4U-4 is 446mph
Slower
But still good
kindred reef
Best submarine ever made
thorn trail
What was the point of the Alaska class cruisers anyway?
delicate beacon
To counter something that didn't exist
tough quail
being a cruiser killer with most of the shittiest decisions you could make for one
or more succinctly
Dunkerque but bad
thorn trail
would Alaska have made sense if it was built earlier?
like say if the Alaska class existed back in 1941
subtle prawn
They did exist at that time, as keels
thorn trail
I mean as full ships
tough quail
not reeeeeally much better
the cruiser fleet would still be there and at least they're not competing with iowas
but its still a bad situation
spiral cedar
What was the point of the Alaska class cruisers anyway?
US was worried about rumors that Japan was building oversize cruisers that would be able to crush US cruiser forces with individual superiority, but didn't want to take money out of capital ship budget to counter it, so they designed a large cruiser instead
Since cruisers come out of the cruiser budget
In terms of funding they were willing to drop some Clevelands and Baltimores to fit some Alaskas in
thorn trail
US was worried about rumors that Japan was building oversize cruisers that would...
Was there any point in time where the Alaska's would have made sense? because looking at the Alaska's they look like older battlecruisers in stats and shit
spiral cedar
They'd only make sense if Japan was also trying to make similar ships
Otherwise, no
thorn trail
Otherwise, no
There were also plans to make the hulls into an aircraft carrier right? What would be the downsides of using these hulls? Would it be like the Lexington conversions?
spiral cedar
The downside would primarily be that it would be stupidly expensive and not any better than just making a clean slate design
The Lexingtons were very expensive, but they were also the second and third carriers so they taught the USN how to use big carriers
Converting Alaskas would have the cost without any purpose
thorn trail
So basically the Alaska's were useless as fuck
Even if they were converted to be a supersized version of the Atlanta class for AA purposes?
spiral cedar
Generally speaking, you don't really want stuff larger than a medium size CL for AA purposes
*gun AA
thorn trail
Generally speaking, you don't really want stuff larger than a medium size CL for...
Why?
spring briar
Larf
spiral cedar
Because a big ship would stop air attacks better as a carrier
thorn trail
Ah
frigid karma
in fact the best type of aa in ww2 was generally fighter cover
spiral cedar
Also coverage and fire control reasons limiting big ships
(Conversely, platform stability and fire control limit destroyers from being great gun AA platforms)
thorn trail
I was thinking of blanketing the sky ala flak
spiral cedar
By the time kamikazes came around, if the kamikaze came within the AA bubble of a task force without being shot down prior, it stood about a 2/3 chance to hit something
And this is with the best and densest gun AA ever deployed in WWII
Trying to squeeze slightly more AA bubble density out of that with bigger AA ships (instead of just more hulls) is going to make for marginal improvements
The real need is to intercept the kamikazes before they take off or in transit (or downing their scouts before they can report back)
spiral cedar
When the USN looked into bigger AA latewar, they did it with the aim to give the bigger guns something to do (hit planes with longer range munitions), not because it was more efficient to stick more AA guns onto big ships
eternal veldt
Hakuryu have these dots on her deck but I don't think it's for that purpose
They are tie down holes for aircraft.
WG fucked up both Taihou and Hakuryu's deck anyway.
maiden citrus
Dunkerque but bad
dunk but several knots faster and with less tds for more equipment*
it's fine to meme around 'alaska bad' but for someone genuinely curious about the ships, alaska's insane cost for the output and their task is their main turn off (just build two baltimores bro), not exactly anything about the ships as finished themselves
spiral cedar
B-65 I assume
tough quail
dunk but several knots faster and with less tds for more equipment*
it's fine t...
dunkerque is much better for her job than alaska is
the context of the rest of the navy and their actual opponents factors in to a ships quality
and when you apply that alaska is full on headassery
whereas france needed some funny mobiles to shit on the deutschlands because they would demolish any cruisers they had
and could be paired together to confidently dunk on a scharnhorst to boot
meanwhile going against the alaskas, uhh
general parity to every ijn cruiser with their regular cruisers
oodles of carriers
literally building 33kn battleships
??????????
there's no justification for it at all
maiden citrus
so in other words
alaska's insane cost for the output and their task is their main turn off (just build two baltimores bro)
the other important factor is how many slipways the us has vs france
the us could afford to use two slipways for two baltimores vs one for an alaska
frigid karma
Horse turns off his ability to read anytime he must defend france
maiden citrus
we will both turn on you instantly
tough quail
shut the fuck up qwerty
frigid karma
tough quail
that said i do disagree that everything is fine and dandy with the ship as completed too
maiden citrus
shut the fuck up qwerty
🇺🇸 🤝 🇫🇷
❌ 🏴
tough quail
3m deep tds with cruiser subdivision when you're supposed to be fighting cruiser squadrons of like
torpedo wank 420 blaze it country
Was Not The Best Idea
also for some reason they kept the nightmare nawlins aircraft layout
i think they just couldnt be fucked to change that
maiden citrus
I don't like the aircraft layout, but when chasing your profile to torpedoes is very insignificant
and these are ships that, like dunk to its designed foes are just gonna
evaporate if hit once
tough quail
well, valid, she can survive having her bow go kaboom
maiden citrus
(I don't know why alaska even has aircraft)
eternal veldt
Make Alaska more cursed
tough quail
literally couldnt be fucked to alter the design
eternal veldt
Raze her entire rear superstructure
Strap 6 catapults to her
Seahawk spotting platform
tough quail
based
tough quail
tone but capitalized
maiden citrus
literally couldnt be fucked to alter the design
which is weird as she went through so many changes
tough quail
they just got tired
maiden citrus
so many changes that by the finals the builders weren't awake to read
attention span gone
tough quail
guam delayed because they tried shoving an iowa turret on her
god
i love how we
genuinely completely stopped arguing
the second qwerty showed up
maiden citrus
maiden citrus
we will both turn on you instantly
tough quail
manic latch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779091558481920030/1058713572194123836/...
In the late 60s, Soviet submarine design bureau "TSKB-16 Volna" began designing a large nuclear-powered amphibious transport submarine, Project 717. The idea was for the submarine to travel hidden under the Arctic ice & unload troops & equipment on the North American coast.
The preliminary design was completed in 1971 - powered by two nuclear reactors & enough internal space to accommodate nearly 500 marines and ~20 armoured personnel carriers. Proposed length of the submarine was 190 m, displacement 18.000 tons.
Got two doors like this
maiden citrus
honestly I like things like that, my favorite feature on yamato is the boat storage tubes
manic latch
but does it have a light cruiser turret
Have six 533 mm torpedo tubes and two retractable A-21 cannons
manic latch
Tho Sevmash was too busy building Typhoons
So this got delayed alot then uhh
Either forgotten or deemed not useful
Was sexy girl still
maiden citrus
Larger boats were stored in two large hangars mounted inside the hull. A hatch could be opened that allowed the boats to be moved outside via an overhead rail and crane system. The overhead system allowed the boats to be moved outside the hull and lowered into the water directly. This same system could then be used to lift the boats out of the water and moved back inside the hull.
tube boats
tough quail
In the late 60s, Soviet submarine design bureau "TSKB-16 Volna" began designing ...
i love you, world in conflict shenanigans
tough quail
honestly I like things like that, my favorite feature on yamato is the boat stor...
good tastes
manic latch
https://puu.sh/JvHLw.png
Protection from blast yeah
Tho given how Yamato went out
Doubt they ever used them
Yamato sank rapidly, losing an estimated 3,055 of her 3,332 crew, including fleet commander Vice-Admiral Seiichi Itō.
tough quail
they're still out there on the sea
like that guy in the philippines but even more nuts
maiden citrus
Protection from blast yeah
blast, elements, strafing, shrapnel, and it looks sick and makes it easy
my fantasy ships always have under deck boat storage
tough quail
finally, hope for the union of east and west
kindred reef
finally, hope for the union of east and west
that happened in 1989 bro
eternal veldt
Yamato sank rapidly, losing an estimated 3,055 of her 3,332 crew, including flee...
Main issue was probably coupled with the catastrophic detonations of both forward and rear magazines.
We've seen the grisly sight of (what remains of) Barham's men sent flying from her magazine detonation.
The IJN Commanders also willingly, and literally, tie themselves to the ship with a rope to go down with said ship.
Rare are the occasions where the sea says "No, you'll live instead" like Taihou's captain.
kindred reef
Does anyone here know a lot about ww2 german aircraft?
frigid karma
Does anyone here know a lot about ww2 german aircraft?
Pretz, though I wouldn’t ping him unless you have a specific question in mind
kindred reef
ill just wait until hes online
frigid karma
Why does the warrior use a separate non nato 30mm round
Is it just a case of the British being British
Or was there another reason for the non standard ammo
ivory ridge
well they use still non standard 120mm so maybe they are just weird /s
tho a better question would be
was there even a standard 30mm at the time
the only date i can find about 30mm STANAG is 2012
while for 25mm, 1986
tribal mortar
@zealous pike Did you study history? Seems like you know a lot about the battleship thing
zealous pike
<@148629942911893504> Did you study history? Seems like you know a lot about the...
i didnt study it but game wise battleboats go boom and thats fun. That said that interest has lead me towards people who know more
so like i can answer some questions but i know of people who can do it better
tribal mortar
I can definitely relate, I was just looking at all my battleships and realized how I had literally zero noteworthy united states ones since I didn't play when jersey was released
Theres Georgia and Alabama but thats all I can see that're noteworthy on the wiki
zealous pike
im rather new to azur lane (like six months) so ill definitely ask for game advice
but history wise ive got my toes wetted
tribal mortar
I guess the states really did just focus on carriers
One glance at the eagle union dock and its lined up with them
ivory ridge
they focused on everything because they could
zealous pike
One glance at the eagle union dock and its lined up with them
well yesnt and if thats your question thats a really long question
which im happy to dive into
but its deeper than you think
manic latch
they focused on everything because they could
You summoned them here
ivory ridge
who
tribal mortar
My surface level thought is the united states only really starting going hard on naval strength is around or prior to the ww2 era
which carriers were hot news
zealous pike
My surface level thought is the united states only really starting going hard on...
its not evident in game but the usn was the only navy to have equal terms to the royal navy in the washington naval treaties
and like
CVs were the shit
and thats why we still have cvn
tribal mortar
oh yeah they were. I've never studied history but I've always watched documentaries and read a couple books on ww2
zealous pike
but theres a lot of context
tribal mortar
thanks for the answers jay
zealous pike
thanks for the answers jay
if you want more easy to access info. Look up Drachinfel on youtube. Hes got an excellent mix of shorts and videos essays. So much so that museum ships like battleship new jersey contract him out
manic latch
if you want more easy to access info. Look up Drachinfel on youtube. Hes got a...
Oh God @ivory ridge
tribal mortar
will do, i'll look him up now
tribal mortar
Oh God <@194852183097737218>
What XD
manic latch
Another lost soul
ivory ridge
zealous pike
Another lost soul
tribal mortar
That guy has some surface level British bias
Drachinfel has a british bias you mean?
manic latch
Yes
tribal mortar
I'll still watch some things
ill keep that in mind though
Unless you got another dude who makes great content
zealous pike
Yes
name one italian historian that does stuff in english. drach isnt perfect but like
manic latch
ill keep that in mind though
Especially when he is speaking of Italy and German stuff
Be careful on those
tribal mortar
Does he believe in the side that lost XD
manic latch
name one italian historian that does stuff in english. drach isnt perfect but l...
Well we have a user named Phoenix here. He is my go to for Italian Navy info
zealous pike
Does he believe in the side that lost XD
no
tribal mortar
I don't mind a bit of bias honestly as long as its not worshipping
zealous pike
"Trust but verify"
im not saying drach is perfect hes english and hes a youtuber. But at the same time the british archives are still top secret, russia is hard to get to, italy is well italian and thats not his fault
im also not sayin drach is an end all be all
zealous pike
https://youtube.com/@ITM_archives
"hardly translated into English"
ivory ridge
Uhm
That's
About the sources
He's saying Italian sources are rarely translated into english
Which is a fact
Plus O'Hara exists
He's not Italian but he has multiple books about the regia marina and the mediterranean
Or the works of the late Bagnasco, like his Bible about the Littorio class and more recently his work on the ww1 dreadnoughts
eternal veldt
if you want more easy to access info. Look up Drachinfel on youtube. Hes got a...
I'd be careful about Drach.
While some of his videos are pretty decent, others are... Pretty bad.
eternal veldt
im not saying drach is perfect hes english and hes a youtuber. But at the same t...
And ironcally, no.
zealous pike
and thats the problem of the italian naval documents, they exist they are there. They dont get translated
eternal veldt
The British archives are declassified - and easily accessible, in fact.
The National Maritime Museum sells blueprints en masse, albeit at a marked up price.
Conversely, as far as I'm aware - Italian archives are an absolute pain in the ass to access. Coupled with quite harsh early anglo literature on the Italian Navy - notably contributed by an Admiral Iachino - cemented views of "haha Italy bad".
Drach, unfortunately, appears to use those literature as a basis for some of his videos.
zealous pike
tbh i thank you for the corrections but when a correction to "Italian is in Italian and not english" is in italian, it seems to reinforce that point. With that said I like drach and hes definitel not a historian
and i apologize for any aggression i may have presented
eternal veldt
Recent titles as mentioned by Undefined try to rectify this view.
Don't worry about it, it's just that some of us have seen quite a bit of "Drach is infallible/the golden standard" ideas going on for some time already.
Steer clear of, for example, his AA video.
But, keep an eye on his KGV video, which he collaborated and IIRC, reviewed the class in good detail.
zealous pike
Don't worry about it, it's just that some of us have seen quite a bit of "Drach ...
oh i get that and to be fair this dicussion game from #gameplay-help and i went "nah i didnt study but whose who i found to be good"
give or take
and tbh i didnt mean in these recommendations as an end all be all
but an easy source and i knew from that one reply italian history wasnt easy to the wider world
eternal veldt
If you want good sources, I highly suggest reading the books that jaba pinned in this channel.
Granted, not all of them are affordable.
eternal veldt
The British archives are declassified - and easily accessible, in fact.
I should also note that by declassification, it also means that water soaked blueprints of the era is okay to be just chucked out - and that's how we lost the preliminary Edinburgh blueprints.
ivory ridge
tbh i thank you for the corrections but when a correction to "Italian is in Ital...
The correction is because i thought you were asking for someone bringing english content about the italian navy, which is what that channel does (he makes every video twice, once in italian and then in english).
But also again, O'Hara wrote extensively about Italy, in english, and most of the works from Bagnasco and De Toro have been or are gonna be translated to English.
Hell, i think half of my book collection about the RM is in english despite me being Italian.
Both O'Hara and ItalianMilitaryArchives were also guests in the Drach channel once or twice
The struggle for the middle sea, Six Victories, Dark navy and his passage in "On seas contested" are all great are all great resources wrote by O'Hara
I havent got it yet but there is also "To crown the waves", about ww1 navies
zealous pike
The correction is because i thought you were asking for someone bringing english...
to be fair i subbed because you said that. I skipped through the IMA and went "well its not english now and its not english at any point" and its not in this channel but my advice was "i dont know this and heres who i can point you in a better direction to". That said again i apologize for a confrontational attitude because well i dwell in wows servers
ivory ridge
Nah it's all good, to be fair the reaction this channel has to Drach and whoever mentions him is a bit too much sometimes 
eternal veldt
If anything,, my main gripe with him is the lack of proper citation, allegedly improving slightly lately
Why yes, I'm talking about HMS Manchester
Here's an amazon link to a town class book, bye
zealous pike
Here's an amazon link to a town class book, bye
do i dare ask about alexander clarke
eternal veldt
If he defers to experts, then it's usually good and dandy
As he did once on Littorio's guns and the genesis of Duilio, the Ironclad
But for reference's sake, a list of what's wrong with the AA video that I cited, at least for Germans
zealous pike
But for reference's sake, a list of what's wrong with the AA video that I cited,...
well now i need to rewatch the aa video
eternal veldt
I'm sure Sirene will also happily shit on his Königsberg video for basically misinformation
zealous pike
I'm sure Sirene will also happily shit on his Königsberg video for basically mis...
so i guess my question is what are the better channels then?
eternal veldt
Military History Visualized has a couple naval-related videos with great citations, and Montemayor is highly recommended for Savo, Midway, and Pearl Harbor.
But really... Books are really where you want to go into.
John Jordan's French Battleships 1922-1956 is arguably where I started, and I appreciate it because of the amount of details for the said ships above. A video would not cover it well.
Also, personally?
Steer clear of Mark Stille's books.
Reads like a wikipedia book, and after witnessing his latest work, I'd much rather drink bleach than read it again
zealous pike
Reads like a wikipedia book, and after witnessing his latest work, I'd much rath...
i was going to ask why then i googled his work and saw "super battleships" and saw the Lions
zealous pike
Here you go, it's a circus
oh jesus im not drunk enough for that
alpine onyx
I'm sure Sirene will also happily shit on his Königsberg video for basically mis...
Ah yes, even post-modernization the K-class can't do cruiser duties, because speed and cruising range (which still either matches or exceeds that of a LaGal, but, no one dare say that)
tired flower
A pilot makes a preflight check on an RF-4C Phantom. The pilot is from the 152nd Tactical Reconnaissance Group, Nevada Air National Guard. 1980
remote monolith
@tough quail slander against your kind
tough quail
wow rude
kindred reef
the royal air force truly was the most advanced
kindred reef
ok thats pretty cool norwegian national budget well spent
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
spring briar
🇫🇷
thorn trail
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-will-get-new-radar-under-massive-upgr...
the Block 4s are supposed to be the definitive version of the F-35 right? Where most of the issues would be mostly ironed out?
shrewd pecan
most of the issues have already been ironed out
and I wouldn't call it a definitive version when there's already talk of F-35D and other variants in the pipeline
Block 4 is introducing new capabilities to the platform primarily, while we don't know the full extent
eager dove
Block 4 seems to be the definitive version present for the foreseeable future
chilly osprey
My surface level thought is the united states only really starting going hard on...
Not exactly.
The US Navy had a pretty bumpy history. From its establishment in 1794 up thought the War of 1812 it did pretty well for itself, with the consecutive threats of the Barbary pirates, French, and British makin the need for a blue-water navy quite evident. After that things were mixed up until the American Civil War, where the important role the USN played in strangling the south economically brought it back into the limelight. Unfortunately this lasted only so long as the war did, and from 1865 onwards the USN went into a very steep decline that lasted into the 1880s - by which point many South American nations had navies that would have been quite capable of defeating the USN in open battle.
Only in the mid-1880s did a a drive start to improve the USN, which accelerated in the 1890s and lead to the construction of the first American battleships, and the fleet the USN had built up to this point proved fairly decisive in it being able to defeat Spain in 1898.
The USN's expansion accelerated in the 1900s so the point that by the start of WWI (1914), they were generally peer with much of the major European navies - though the British and German navies were still both much more powerful. American naval expansion over the course of WWI, and the effective destruction of the German fleet with the peace terms of Versailles, meant that by the time of the Washington Naval Conference in 1921 they were second only to the British Royal Navy, and their existing expansion plans would make them a peer force.
As such the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, which resulted from that conference, recognized the USN as a peer to the RN and afforded them equal tonnage to use in structuring their future capital ship fleets - although, generally speaking, the USN did not actually clearly surpass the RN in size and capability until the middle of WWII (1942/43).
If you have to pick a point to say 'this is when the USN starting going hard on naval power', then the 1890s is probably your best answer - because this is the point at which the navy was able to convince the government that "Yes, you kind of do need a navy" and finally started getting regular funding from construction.
Albeit even then it was still a struggle and congress at this point was still loathe to give the navy much money.
fierce sparrow
<@84008086733324288> slander against your kind
French Army using Horses..
Then again, the Wehrmacht did the use horses..
delicate beacon
Every army used horses.
thorn trail
Albeit even then it was still a struggle and congress at this point was still lo...
Wasn't one of the drivers for Congress giving money to the navy Senator Carl Vinson?
delicate beacon
Oh did Drach do a thing again
desert agate
virgin drach vs chad skynea history
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
Wasn't one of the drivers for Congress giving money to the navy Senator Carl Vin...
Yes - though he only really became active after the WNT
His work during the 1930s basically was the bedrock of the navy that the US used to fight the decisive phase of WWII with - hence why he has a CVN named after him
thorn trail
I have another question: Why did the US go from 14 directly to 16in guns while the European Navies usually settled for 15in?
chilly osprey
Depends on the navy you're looking at
The British went from 12" to 13.5" to 15"
The Germans went from 11.1" to 12" and then 15" on battleships, while battlecruisers went from 11.1" to 13.8"
The French went from 12" to 13.4" but did not make the jump to a larger gun before WWI
The Italians went from 12" directly to 15"
The Austrians went from 12" to 13.8" (or, rather, were planning to)
The Americans preferred to make a 2" jump in caliber every time they introduced a heavier gun, the British went with 1.5" increments
And it does have to be noted, the British did not really have the breathing room the Americans did, because the rate at which they were building battleships was much greater than (due to the arms race with Germany). The 15"/42, for example, was just them upscaling the 13.5"/45, and they were not no 100% sure it would even work properly. They got extremely lucky with the gun system, and it turned out to be a very good gun (albeit the shells needed some work)
thorn trail
And it does have to be noted, the British did not really have the breathing room...
The British only made the 16in BBs just to have a ship of at least same caliber as Japan and the US right?
chilly osprey
That was a motivation behind the choice in the Nelson-class, though it was also the maximum allowed by the treaty limits and the British were naturally inclined to choose it.
But in fact to deal with the American and Japanese 16" battleships and battlecruisers, the British were actually planning a class of 18" battleships (the N3's) prior to the WNT - only their battlecruiser counterparts (G3's) would use 16" guns.
desert agate
wdym they did build an 18" equipped ship
chilly osprey
I said battleship, not light cruiser
thorn trail
~~I said battleship, not light cruiser~~
the Courageous class right?
thorn trail
What the heck were the british thinking making it
were they all drunk or smth when they made it
tough quail
they wanted a fast monitor to shell the Baltic coast
manic latch
What the heck were the british thinking making it
Many argue what Courageous class was made for
We just know they were limited by funding so had to do these large light cruiser abominations
chilly osprey
the Courageous class right?
The Courageous-class had 2x2 15" - Furious is the one designed with 2x 18"
manic latch
Or super monitors
tough quail
the fact the only armor they have is still mostly structural steel kinda tips you off they're not surface combatants
eternal veldt
There it is
eternal veldt
Basically ship technical stuff talk
manic latch
eternal veldt
To the average layman/senator, of course boilers and radios, these kind of jargon, don't make too much sense
thorn trail
Kamikaze remote control boats
AL's suicide boats then
manic latch
No they are operated by Manjuus
thorn trail
ooo
chilly osprey
This isn't even that bad
tough quail
manju dying by the hundreds
chilly osprey
The real fireworks are when you go back to the 1880s
When you have politicians trying to argue for or against ideas like Jeune École in an era where technology is rapidly changing and few of them truly understand what's actually going on
eternal veldt
And I missed the barrel upscaling talk earlier, but the 15"/42 was veiled in secrecy early onwards, I forgot the specific designation, something like the 13.5" mark II or something to that extent, when designing the QEs
Someone dig up Burt's book, not on PC 
eternal veldt
When you have politicians trying to argue for or against ideas like Jeune École ...
Need more torpedo boats
desert agate
No they are operated by Manjuus
eternal veldt
3000 Shin'yos of Hirohito
manic latch
At 62 m² the Sukhoi Su-30’s wing area is twice that of an F-16. It also has an empty weight of 17,000 kg, the same as that of a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber
subtle prawn
kindred reef
At 62 m² the Sukhoi Su-30’s wing area is twice that of an F-16. It also has an e...
It look like Sukhoi copied MiG-29
kindred reef
wtf do the little wavy lines mean? (the ones on the yellow bands)
delicate beacon
Division maybe?
kindred reef
but many different fighter wings have them
and some of the late war Focke wulfs have a partial wavy line
humble mulch
Yeah that a squadron/front marking
subtle prawn
desert agate
yes
thats how we got the M113AS
with its hatches that cant fit a commander with a full webbing and body armour
and other insufficiencies
manic latch
Australian heavy cruiser Canberra is being scuttled after she sustained critical damage by Japanese gunfire in the Battle of Savo Island
spring briar
spring briar
Hi unde
spring briar
manic latch
Soviet light cruiser Aleksandr Suvorov near Hms Victory 
subtle prawn
Destroyer leader Tashkent, projekt 20–1, built between 1936 and 1939 in Italy, and transferred to the Black Sea Fleet, where the ship got final armaments. A plan to build three replicas in the USSR was cancelled.(Source: Library of Contemporary History)
manic latch
subtle prawn
kindred reef
https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/staffel-gruppe-and-geschwader-markings--74140515737...
thanks bro I always wondered what those were for 
ivory ridge
yeah kinda old
manic latch
Former French inactive vessel Q432 (battleship Richelieu up to 1967) approaches the final stage of her dismantling at the Cantieri Navali Santa Maria breakers yard.
ivory ridge
Stealing from Phoenix's list:
FREMM: 8 instead of 6, + 2 being built
Maestrale: 3 instead of 7
Lupo: 0 instead of 2
PPA: 2 lights instead of 0
Vulcano : 1 instead of 0
chilly osprey
The Minverva-class corvettes are also both gone
ivory ridge
missed that 
chilly osprey
Might as well note that, for ships under construction, we have;
+4 PPA
- 1 Vulcano (Atlante)
- 1 U-212 NFS
And then Trieste is due for delivery this year
chilly osprey
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly osprey
Yup
ivory ridge
they still had plenty choices smh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Italy
chilly osprey
One geographic feature there is no shortage of lol
Yeah the name choice really threw me for a loop
frigid karma
in my view, a tank is anything with significant direct firepower that can quickly get from A to B and can't be put down with small arms
ivory ridge
i just call these wheeled light tanks
Wheeled = duh
Light = not an MBT
Tank = not an ifv
calling them wheeled AFVs mixes them with the IFVs
frigid karma
the question is can this draw aggro
ivory ridge
calling them recon vehicles implies only wheeled vehicles do recon, which is just wrong
and calling them tank destroyers messes with both the ww2 use of the term and the modern use for ATGM only vehicles
ivory ridge
frigid karma
there it is
ivory ridge
For the last time, it’s only a tank if it’s specifically from the Tanque region of France
Otherwise it’s just a sparkling armored vehicle
frigid karma
ouiaboo propaganda
ivory ridge
kindred reef
The most beautiful American warplane ever.
frigid karma
tbf if the high muzzle velocity thing is a requirement
what about some tanks mounting howitzers
maiden citrus
The most beautiful American warplane ever.
frigid karma
i don't think you would call an m4a3 (105) not a tank
kindred reef
much better than silly mustang
maiden citrus
mustang good, aircobra gooder
kindred reef
fax
ivory ridge
kindred reef
ohio be like
eternal veldt
Anyone got some wallpapers of WW2 USN CVs?
Not WW2, but why not take everything? 
thorn trail
Not WW2, but why not take everything? <:ElbeHeh:1023947290655854682>
wait that's uh Langley on the left most right
gentle viper
Day 7 of posting underappreciated Cold War Vehicles, M1E1, A series of Modified Base Abrams for testing of compability with the Rheinmetal L/44 (the gun used on the Leopard 2 Series) consequence of some intercompatibility Agreements posterior to the failure of the M70 program
gentle viper
Not WW2, but why not take everything? <:ElbeHeh:1023947290655854682>
Rightmost carrier is Forrestal, Right?
frigid karma
the island seemse like ea ford
gentle viper
It cant be a ford
somber knoll
gentle viper
There is no Fat amy or Growler
Must be Forrestal or Nimitz
- no poseidon
Yeah its a Nimitz
Its fron 2011 after all
ivory ridge
eternal veldt
There we go, unpotatoed
junior trench
calling them recon vehicles implies only wheeled vehicles do recon, which is jus...
the based recon Abrams of the ACRs
molten karma
does anyone have some book recs on french destroyers?
maiden citrus
@spring briar likely has recommendations, they know a lot about french ships
eternal veldt
French Destroyers by John Jordan is the gold standard, yes.
The French X series by him is generally good
molten karma
gotcha, ty
eternal veldt
Anyone got some wallpapers of WW2 USN CVs?
Okay. You need them wallpapers to be in colour or something else?
Because otherwise, this "Murderer's row at Ulithi" is probably the golden poster child for USN WWII CV power. @unique sierra
Comes with the giga resolution of 5633 x 4528.
desert agate
Australian purchase of HIMARS confirmed
desert agate
manic latch
delicate beacon
Dryclock
thorn trail
Because otherwise, this "Murderer's row at Ulithi" is probably the golden poster...
Do we have a modern equivalent to this photo but with the Nuclear carriers?
eternal veldt
Not that I'm aware of.
thorn trail
The most I've seen is 3 nuclear carriers in an exercise
chilly osprey
CVNs are usually deployed as the centerpiece of their own CSG, so you only get multiples together when CSGs meet up
And it's very, very rare for more than 2 to meet up at once
Because usually the USN only has 3-4 CSGs deployed across the entire planet at the same time
thorn trail
And it's very, very rare for more than 2 to meet up at once
Yeah only vid I've seen was one with 3 CSG
In an exercise I believe because it also had Charles de Gaulle as well
chilly osprey
Back in 2017 the USN had three carriers meet up off the coast of Korea as a show of force, but that's the last time I recall it happening.
You'd probably have more luck if you look back at the cold war when carriers were deployed in battle groups, but at that point you're likely looking at a mix of conventional and nuclear powered types
unique sierra
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/nu...
Ah glorious, thats what I was looking for. No need for color lol
eternal veldt
Because otherwise, this "Murderer's row at Ulithi" is probably the golden poster...
https://web.archive.org/web/20210917123716/https://www.navyhistory.org/2015/09/historical-murderers-row-photograph-at-ulithi-update/ not sure why the post was deleted, but ships in this photo were recognised too.
subtle prawn
gentle viper
I was right!
ivory ridge
https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/4122865/modernizacion-vbc-cc-leopard-1a5-br-etapa-actual
Sadge
No Hitfact or Cockerill turret on the 1A5
thorn trail
Huh TIL that one of the proposed plans for Project Plowshare included using nukes to widen the Panama Canal
spiral cedar
Want your local mountain moved? Call us
shrewd pecan
danger monkey
delicate beacon
Germany below Spain 
thorn trail
danger monkey
Seeing the F-16 without wingtip pylons looks weird to me
delicate beacon
Personell, displacement, BBs, coastal BBs, Aircraftships, Cruisers, DLs/DDs, Subs, Diverse
shrewd pecan
I see
manic latch
Really?
shrewd pecan
you can't really flare/chaff sparrows
manic latch
Doesn't 9L has one of greatest flare resistance 
shrewd pecan
idk I just want the A as my new ground pounder
comparably I do better with sparrows than the AIM-9s tho
thorn trail
the Viper, Tomcat and Fulcrum are the only 4th gen fighters in WT right?
thorn trail
Also iirc doesn't the F-16 usually require the wingtip pylons because of something something vortices forming on the wingtips?
even when the pylon is not loaded
manic latch
the Viper, Tomcat and Fulcrum are the only 4th gen fighters in WT right?
Tornado on paper too
Tho 2 air to air missiles..
Augh
shrewd pecan
can't wait for it to have to fight F-15As and Su-27s
and for the tomcat to still somehow be on top of the foodchain
manic latch
and for the tomcat to still somehow be on top of the foodchain
F-14D
shrewd pecan
no the standard F-14A is still gonna be on the top of the food chain
since it has active radar homing missiles
a crapton of sparrows
and the best rear aspect AIM-9
Russian Bias smh
manic latch
Will F15 turn better?
shrewd pecan
she's gonna be smacked by Phoenix's
if you go high attitude against a phoenix you will probably lose
manic latch
shrewd pecan
F-14 gameplay devolves into
climb to 3k
fling your 54s at anything within 25 clicks
descend and kill everything with the AIM-7s
54s get you 1-2 free kills
manic latch
Who Tomcat doesn't smack?
shrewd pecan
no one rn
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So what can smack F14 in future?
shrewd pecan
idk probably the F-15 once it gets AMRAAMs, Su-27 once it gets something with active radar
MIG-31
tornado ADV or Eurofighter with AMRAAM as well
shrewd pecan
F-15s probably next
since Russia can't really get much rn beyond MIG-25
and MIG-31 is gonna be a bit out
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Su-27?
Need to wait F15?
Given Us has 2 F16 and 1 F14 right now
Soviets only have Mig 29 and late Mig 23s
shrewd pecan
Su-27 doesn't really make sense to pair with anything beyond the F-15
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True
shrewd pecan
F-18 makes sense if the Soviets get something with air to ground radar capability
since the F-18 also has that in its early versions
shrewd pecan
Su-24 and F-111 together probably
idk probably a upgraded MIG-29 with air to ground radar capability
I'm assuming that exists
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Su-24 and F-111 together probably
Fuck would love to those two 
ivory ridge
Gaijin where is my AMX international
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idk probably a upgraded MIG-29 with air to ground radar capability
There is Su-30M but %100 it will come with Strike Eagle
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thorn trail
idk probably a upgraded MIG-29 with air to ground radar capability
The closest I can see is the Mig-29SMT
shrewd pecan
yeah
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Or Mig 29M?
shrewd pecan
I'm not really sure
how either would compare to the F-18A
since its a 1980s fighter vs a 2000s fighter
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Well for Naval fighter options Soviets only have Mig 29K and Su-33
And yak-141 as funny event vehicle smh
shrewd pecan
yeah but its gonna be paired against aircraft with AMRAAMs
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shrewd pecan
that can fling far more AMRAAMs than it can R-77s
🤨 like its gonna be worse than the mirages
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@tough quail Finally fucking found good art of Stalingrad's missile cruiser proposal
tough quail
yaes
delicate beacon
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J-15 FlyingShark with live load of four PL-12 medium range, two PL-8B short range and four YJ-83K anti-ship missiles.
tough quail
elaborate my eyes are small
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
Carrier pigeon carrier
eternal veldt
"warbirds"
shut wren
J-15 FlyingShark with live load of four PL-12 medium range, two PL-8B short rang...
i cant tell which carrier this is on
E X P L A I N
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it's Shandong
Is it?
I get fucking strokes when trying to find differences of Shan and Lian at this angle
Like it's very easy on front
Shan has 2 window floors
At left side it's still easy. Shan's back as simple balcony
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
it's an article about cope slopes
claiming most aircrafts can takeoff with full loads even without catapults
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Don't know the science behind it. But if you give plane enough resistance?
Nah too much effort. China just said fuck it and gone with catapults now
ivory ridge
shut wren
claiming most aircrafts can takeoff with full loads even without catapults
the J-15 cant take off with full payload and fuel
ivory ridge
it's google TL so
shut wren
with some fuel and full payload yes
manic latch
J-15 is also heaviest plane on a carrier after F-14
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Good luck seeing that with naked eye
shut wren
seeing what
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...
shut wren
what
subtle prawn
Reread what you typed about the their ski jump angles
shut wren
My bad
The shandong carrier has a 12 degree ski jump while the liaoling has an 14 degree ski jump
gentle viper
~~J-15 is also heaviest plane on a carrier after F-14~~
That is not true tho!, things like AWACS, the C-2 Greyhound, Vigilante, Skywarrior, etc
are also really heavy
and heavier than the J-15 AND F-14
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That is not true tho!, things like AWACS, the C-2 Greyhound, Vigilante, Skywarri...
Sigh ok heaviest "fighter"
Happy?
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Ok heaviest "fighter" that actually had mass production
gentle viper
Okay you are right.
gentle viper
Day 8 of posting underappreciated Cold War Vehicles, EE T1 Osorio, Brazilian MBT project
subtle prawn
frigid karma
there were a lot of carrier movies in history
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Easy to record things on plane
frigid karma
this is from 1988
shrewd pecan
arsenal ship
proud moat
The dream might finally completed with JMSDF’s ASEV
….If it survives long enough in budgets
subtle prawn
They were downsized to be more like the Maya-class
that’s a disappointment
zealous vine
What were exceptional qualities of each nation's battleships? (1940>)
e.g. British battleships had quite seaworthy hulls
eternal veldt
That's...not quite right, especially given how wet the King George Vs are at the bow, which required massive breakwaters. Very often too you see the forecastle in a different shade due to how wet they are.
It took massive headbutting between the designers until they finally decided to increase the flare if the forecastle of the follow-on Vanguard - with arguments saying that the inability to fire directly ahead a great disadvantage.
But, back to the topic at hand, I'd most likely place radar-directed gunnery (Mark 8 and as of mid 1945, Mark 13 surface radar) and good AA to the US, after the US completely remade the shitty original bofors, alongside the introduction of VT fuzes to their 127mm mounts.
France, without a doubt, their compact and highly efficient Indret-Sural boilers, which allowed Richelieu to hit 32 knots comfortably ~35k tons.
zealous vine
It took massive headbutting between the designers until they finally decided to ...
Oh, my mistake
I figured I must've gotten the notion from reading up about HMS Vanguard..
eternal veldt
Vanguard had the absolute benefit of wartime experience.
Even the funnels were specifically funnel tested in 1946 to ensure that they made minimal interference to the fire control systems.
I'm not as well informed on other nations, but the optics of the IJN were often praised to be of excellent quality, so that is likely a stand-out point for Japanese battleships.
cinder escarp
The truly exceptional quality of the KGV class is they are fully 2LNT compliant.
Unlike anyone else.
eternal veldt
With... Consequences.
patent pelican
Unlike anyone else.
Dunkerque-class wasn't?
eternal veldt
toilet TDS
70% gun efficiency, even though DoY in said instance did fire more broadsides than any single BB at Surigao did
HACS
eternal veldt
Dunkerque-class wasn't?
Dunkerque is, but she is more functionally a battlecruiser/small battleship
As things stand, she is a 26,900 ton design, compared to the 35,000 ton designs.
cinder escarp
And her design was completed with construction started well before 2LNT
So yes, she does count - but so does Kongo for that matter
zealous vine
Cool.. thanks guys
cinder escarp
The actual ships France built in the time of the 2LNT/KGV class were the Richelieu-class, a much more capable vessel that breaches the 2LNT in many ways.
eternal veldt
She was 37k as built, if I recall
patent pelican
Really they are the only capital ships that were compliant?
eternal veldt
Then swole up to 43k tons after US refits
patent pelican
What about North Carolina?
eternal veldt
The NCs did some "ackshually, we exclude blah blah blah" small print
cinder escarp
NC has too big of guns to be 2LNT compliant
patent pelican
O
eternal veldt
Also, serious vibration issues at launch
cinder escarp
She was originally designed as such, but since it was clear the treaty system was falling apart and nobody was following 2LNT, they modified her with bigger guns and other changes mid-build.
cinder escarp
And then you get to the SDs which are technically WNT compliant but the amount of caveats in being technically compliant is hilarious.