history

[spiral cedar]

At least two here will curse his name, or at least some of the consequences

[eternal veldt]

Scharnhorst with 356mm belt

Thanks Breyer

[spiral cedar]

350, no? As the usual erroneous figure

[eternal veldt]

350, my bad.

The gunhouses on the Montana model look like 5"/38 gunhouses because they almost ARE 5"38 gunhouses. The gunhouse is, within an inch or so, exactly the same width. The guns are mounted at about the same distance above the deck, and are (again, within an inch or so) exactly the same distance apart. The main differences revolve around the positions of various sighting ports, etc., and the fact that the Montana gunhouse is about 23 inches longer than that typically used on a 5"/38 twin mount. Overall length, muzzle to rear face of the gunhouse on the centerline is about 414" on the Montana mount, and about 319" on a 'regular' 5"/38 twin mount.

[ivory ridge]

[kindred reef]

top 5 most epic comments

who on earth approved dornier 335 production

[cinder escarp]

Literally speer himself

[kindred reef]

idk who speer is but he seems crazy

if you want a plane with a prop in the back, use P-55

[kindred reef]

also if the pilot bailed out wouldn't they just be fed into the rear propeller?

i guess the pilots just relied on anime logic

[alpine onyx]

I recall that there was a thingy that allowed the rear prop to bye itself

Quick, crude, check, there was an ejection function that'd blow off the rear prop and that upper fin as well

[kindred reef]

should have just invented the ejector seat like sweeden smh

[eternal veldt]

You're speaking to a nation who thought rudder scuttling charges are a good idea

[frigid karma]

i have literally never heard of this, and it already sounds terrible

[frigid karma]

what does it do, just nuke the rudder?

[eternal veldt]

Yes, on H-41.

[frigid karma]

what is the point of that

did the germans develop a swordfish fetish

why wouldn't you just scuttle the whole ship rather than just the rudder

[eternal veldt]

Honestly, just learn from Italy

Triple rudder, if main one is jammed, the two auxiliary rudders can counteract

Oh wait, Italy cannot war amirite

[alpine onyx]

On Bisko they were preparing to blow off the entire stern

But cut short by British battleships arriving

[eternal veldt]

She managed to overcome it at the end, tbf

Just not exactly helpful anymore at that stage

[alpine onyx]

Should've just done it like Eugen, and remain perfectly steerable despite a jammed rudder and a dropped stern

[eternal veldt]

Have to consider that oigen is much slimmer than Biscuit

and I forgot the diary excerpt, how long did it take Eugen to steer herself

because one of the main factors for the rudder to fuck over Bismarck was short time and distance from Tovey's forces

[alpine onyx]

Don't have it on hand, I'd say an hour or two until she got underway properly

Also Bismarck had awful weather, so I'm not being fair anyway

Bismarck was able to steer to an extend, just not into any direction with the weather present

[cinder escarp]

EJECTO SEAT CUZ

Do-335s have ejection seats for that reason

[kindred reef]

i thought only sweeden had ejector seats

[chilly flower]

While SAAB did develop ejection seats during WW2, Heinkel did as well
They tested them on the He 280, and the first (and one of the only to during the war outside of one-off tests and aircraft that saw very limited service) aircraft to use them operationally was the He 219 on account of it's canopy placement

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1609118094693203968?t=NURKH27Hr-3r-N1BTRDovw&s=19

Ciro Nappi (@CiroNappi6)

Macchi C.205V Veltro serie III alongside an Aeritalia F-104S.
In particular, this was the last ever Veltro able to fly, grounded after a minor accident.

Twitter · Dec 31, 2022, 9:23 AM

[ivory ridge]

8 64 VLS ships

That sounds super sus

[cinder escarp]

It's... a pretty standard destroyer

Very similar in overall size and design to the Type 052D/Luyang III DDGs the PLAN have been printing in absurd numbers.

[ivory ridge]

Yes but 8 is a big number for a country like turkey

[cinder escarp]

The original plan was for 4, with 2 more optional.

[ivory ridge]

For a country where their biggest surface combatants are modernized OHPs and the rest is mekos...

Lmao

[solid mango]

Anyone got any schemz of the Riche turretz?

[ivory ridge]

@spring briar

[spring briar]

@solid mango

[ivory ridge]

[solid mango]

Arigathanks gozaimuch

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bigger-big-size-kratos-baldur-gif-18197506

[delicate beacon]

One more turret for my Dutch blueprints

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

There we go.

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

Cool monitor

[delicate beacon]

[teal token]

79 years ago, RIP KMS Scharnhorst

[tough quail]

[shrewd pecan]

Another nazkkk down unlimited sinking of the kriegsmarine

[spring briar]

Death

[alpine onyx]

Precious bote

[delicate beacon]

Ugly

[alpine onyx]

Heretic

[delicate beacon]

What

But she's one of the ugly sisters

She do be cute tho

[alpine onyx]

Ugly not-so-ugly sisters

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5K_iPpqw5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWQZFWyzafs

[manic latch]

Cutie

[spring briar]

Smartest idea ever

[delicate beacon]

Why not Flores or Soemba

[alpine onyx]

Where is that 15,000 ton BB design

Squished New Mex

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371433115970961411/964548533380317234/unknown.png

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2YY5SUi7cw

[frigid karma]

I love it

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1609294961048010754

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

ADM Nimitz once had his driver stop to pick up an intoxicated Seabee he saw on the side of the road. Not recognizing the admiral, the Seabee went on a drunken rant about the conditions of his camp. Nimitz inspected the camp the next day and ordered improvements. #SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · Dec 31, 2022, 9:06 PM

[kindred reef]

to the german commander

NUTS

that is the best quote of the whole entire war

[frigid karma]

there are better quotes

bomber harris, for one

halsey's hell line also goes hard

[kindred reef]

idk what those are

but i doubt they can beat nuts

[frigid karma]

you've never heard the whirlwind quote?

search it up

yeah like all things considered

[tough quail]

bomber harris' whirlwind bit is just the primordial "fuck around, find out"

[frigid karma]

nuts is an alright quote for ww2, but not the best one

Before we’re through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell.
this is the halsey line i'm referring to btw

[kindred reef]

nuts was the original "go fuck yourself"

[frigid karma]

not really

oh shit

he should be a poet, goddamn

[tough quail]

thats fucking rad

[shut wren]

you just need a special type of bomb

[frigid karma]

this is the full quote

[delicate beacon]

I think it was "What, again?" after the English commander heard that Van Brakel managed to damage the Thames' boom defences.

[frigid karma]

tfw you call your enemy nothing more than an initial experiment

that's terrifying

[kindred reef]

i guess they wanted to dehumanize the enemy

makes it easier to wipe out a tenth of the population

[shut wren]

you can do 50% if you have Nuclear weapons

[frigid karma]

lemme guess, you consider dresden a war crime?

[kindred reef]

i knew the axis said things like that

[kindred reef]

what is dresden?

[shut wren]

american air bombing of the city

[frigid karma]

you don't know what dresden is?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946721308148920371/1052019908751392778/E625BFC3-6098-4539-996D-DE817129A3EB.gif

[kindred reef]

i know its a city but what happened there

[frigid karma]

tldr german nationalists call the bombing of dresden a war crime

it wasn't

[manic latch]

You never studied ww2?

[kindred reef]

internet says that dresden was a millitary target

[frigid karma]

Good

[kindred reef]

so i dont think it was a war crime to bomb it, yeah sad the civilians died, but they worked in factories that produced things to kill allies, so it was a target

[shut wren]

Feels like the reason they say "history is written by It's victors"

its a matter of prespectives

[delicate beacon]

@manic latch Happy new year.
Was browsing Warship International index, you probably already know this stuff but here.

[frigid karma]

God, and it’s still sovetskii

Whyyy

[manic latch]

It's the thought that matters

[shut wren]

[delicate beacon]

Fisher been busy

wait wtf

Why is R.F. Scheltema de Heere under D

who the fuck does indeces like that

[thorn trail]

I have one question regarding this map. What's with the tiny US occupation zones on the British Occupation zone near Wilhelmshaven

[delicate beacon]

Hamburg eh

[thorn trail]

Ah wait nvm found the reason

it's port cities

[delicate beacon]

Oh nvm

Bremen and Hannover

But yeah I guess they needed supply hubs since no land border.

And the Donau is rather... Curtained.

[gentle viper]

day 5 (akshually 7) of posting underappreciated Cold War Vehicles, VTT 323 with a 107mm type 62 MLRS

[tough quail]

excellent

[spiral cedar]

I've just discovered there is a "Germany" topic in Quora.

It's about as much of a dumpster fire as you'd expect.

[valid trout]

Uh wha

[kindred reef]

Probably americans who didnt pay attention in history class lmao

I bet there is probably questions like "why didnt Germany mass produce the E-100 heavy tank?"

[frigid karma]

confirmed hitler supporters

well now, that's easy enough

[kindred reef]

please tell me this isnt real please

i know it was never built, but i want to know if it was ever proposed

[valid trout]

Why does that look like a b-29 body with 2 tails and props at the back of the wing

[kindred reef]

it is a heavily modified Me-264 I think, looks closer to a b-36

[tough quail]

most normal nazi delirium

[kindred reef]

yeah lmao

i wish i could say that was their dumbest plane design, but i would be lying

[kindred reef]

Volksjaeger was a elementary school project

[valid trout]

So little 5 year olds designed a plane for the luftwaffe

???

[kindred reef]

no i mean it was made of wood and glued together

i wish i was joking

[eternal veldt]

Why don't you try Halsey's much more stronger line?

"KILL JAPS. KILL JAPS. KILL MORE JAPS." a banner literally flying high at one of the docks.

Certainly some very colourful language from the man.

[frigid karma]

Well, I might get whacked for saying slurs

Yes it’s part of a quote, but mods are known to be trigger happy

[kindred reef]

i would think they would understand

if it was a quote

[valid trout]

Oh that’s……. Really crap

[kindred reef]

yeah they wanted a cheap plane that did not use up resources, and boy did they get a cheaply built plane

[fierce sparrow]

scrolling up and sees...
typical Quora moment...

[kindred reef]

yeah

[kindred reef]

England: invents the mosquito, highly successful

Germany: invents Moskito, sucks

[stiff sinew]

I love the mosquito.
A medium-heavy-blitz-interceptor-bomber-fighter

RAF procurment after de Havilland told them what sort of plane they can build: We want all of them.

[kindred reef]

yeah the mosquito was really good, especially given englands past with inventing all purpose planes

[stiff sinew]

Though my fav RAF prop plane is still the Hornet.
Mosquito's stream lined and lighter little sister

[kindred reef]

you know what plane wasnt streamlined?

the blackburn firebrand

god its ugly

[stiff sinew]

It's blackburn. I have nightmares of their planes

[kindred reef]

firecrest isnt too ugly, but not what id call cool looking

[stiff sinew]

There is the bad, the good and the ugly of Blackburn planes.

And then there is the Buccaneer.

[kindred reef]

wow

i had no idea the buccaneer existed

looks ok

[stiff sinew]

My second fav British jet plane after the Avro Vulcan

[kindred reef]

canberra is coolest

[stiff sinew]

Egh. I prefer myself the death dorito

[kindred reef]

i dont like cold war bomber designs because lots of them are either shaped like dorito or b52

i like Canberra and gloster meteor designs more b-57 is cool too

[spiral cedar]

But everyone got caught out by the speed of the early ones and high speed for heavy cruisers stuck, hobbling the balance of firepower and protection badly. The Pensacola to Northampton classes were disastrously unbalanced; proper glass-jawed heavyweights as Savo showed.

Ah yes, Savo Island, where famously the…Pensacolas and Northamptons were sunk…??

[maiden citrus]

they were so glass jawed that they had armor on the degree of

...

other CAs

[spiral cedar]

Moreso the issue is that the Astorias were sunk at Savo

[alpine onyx]

the Pensacolas, known for being speed demons

[maiden citrus]

they're just so unprotected at 102mm belt compared to the japanese 102mm belt

[spiral cedar]

I also learned earlier today that Cleveland’s belt actually inclines outward at 6 deg

Not a huge difference, but something at least

[maiden citrus]

interesting

[loud comet]

anyone knows BB/C with three twin main battery?

[maiden citrus]

renown class

[alpine onyx]

Warspite post Fritz X

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

Richelieu after blowing up her two starboard guns in Turret II

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Riche blew up 3

but Dunkerque fits

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

ohno...

[ivory ridge]

that's not even the right person, who's graysonic

[delicate beacon]

Can we get the rough parameters of P1047's guns from the 250t recoil value

[teal token]

fun fact: in case B-29 adaptation failed, Lancaster was considered backup choice as forst nuke bomber...

[rapid junco]

Happy Holidays and News Years postcard for 1942 featuring "Minas Gerais" battleship

[tough quail]

presumably something to do with the 65mm machinery belt and the 25mm machinery deck

or the barbettes made of sandpaper

unless you're actually talking about nawlins and in that case you know my glowing praise

[maiden citrus]

nah, the pepsis, which do trade barbettes of sandpaper against turrets of sandpaper

but point being they're... not exactly made of glass compared to other cas built around them

[tough quail]

iirc the turrets were also 25mm outside of the face plate, and the rear being a smidge thinner

which isn't really a knock against the usn

more just nearly every single pre-mid 30s cruiser kinda sucked

[eternal veldt]

some suck more than the others

[tough quail]

and some sucked after the early 30s

swivels head in Germany's direction

[eternal veldt]

when even Sirene calls Leipzig Shitzig, we have a problem

[tough quail]

Deutschland my beloved

[alpine onyx]

points at K
I want this, but worse, and make sure to claim it's an improvement

[tough quail]

redeemer of Germany

[alpine onyx]

Shitzig arrives

[eternal veldt]

Deutschland is okay

and then you have...Scheer and its completely fucked armour

[alpine onyx]

And then Spee

[tough quail]

spee tho

[eternal veldt]

Spee gud, but a tad over 10k

[alpine onyx]

[tough quail]

my precious girl

[alpine onyx]

Don't care, 12,000 tons still works

And the tons went to good use

[tough quail]

yeah for the capability 12000 is a bargain

especially compared to Eugen

[eternal veldt]

and the big 4head tower, not my jam I guess

Scheer's tower is where its at

[tough quail]

it's goofy as hell but it grows on you

[chilly osprey]

slaps hand on Trento's 100mm faceplate

This bad boy can stop so many 6" shells

[alpine onyx]

Would have likely gotten replaced with the tube, but well

[eternal veldt]

Well, you can thank Langsdorff

[alpine onyx]

I thank him for not going the Prussian way and burning the 1000 dudes below him with a futile way-home trip

[tough quail]

yeah I'm not gonna criticize that one a bit

lad made the right call for his own

[eternal veldt]

Just saying, Im aware he's a good captain overall

[alpine onyx]

And took the consequences for it

[eternal veldt]

Even towards prizes

[alpine onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669133963864047626/956873771237670962/1939_00_00_langsdorff_amalia.png

Can vibe on Spee

[chilly osprey]

Opening up a copy of Jane's is like watching youtube without adblock.

100 pages of advertisements before you get to the actual content

[eternal veldt]

You get some good advertisements sometimes though

interestingly, seems like the Japanese are content to follow this tradition - because some of my Japanese magazines are plastered with Tamiya's advertisements on the last page

Thanks for reading - Ya wanna buy a model?

[spring briar]

Yes

But not a japanese ship

[eternal veldt]

No? Are you sure?

[spring briar]

No

[eternal veldt]

You just read up on Indy - You want a model of her?

Clever bunch of people.

[chilly osprey]

0/10 no advertising from Mitsubishi to sell me a Mogami-class frigate

[spring briar]

Where Gloire

[eternal veldt]

wait harder Riche.

[kindred reef]

wow they have tirpitz but not bismarck

Based

[eternal veldt]

Wait

HOL THE FUCK UP

uh, I'll do this elsewher

[kindred reef]

I love how there are two horrible tanks next to the best one in the world

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Bt-7 wasn’t a particularly bad tank for its time

It just wasn’t used right during Barbarossa, since it effectively had to act as a defensive vehicle when its job is to exploit breakthroughs and flanking

Even so I don’t think it’s reputation is all that bad with the speed memes about it

[manic latch]

Bitch why are they horrible tho?

[frigid karma]

Likely the view comes from the large number of bt7 losses in Barbarossa

Because putting a light tank in a defensive position with a 37mil is not advisable

Not sure why pz1c is considered bad

It’s a panzer 1

Not much to say there, just an early German tonk doing German things

[kindred reef]

the suspension of the bt-7 made it horrible to ride in, especially at max speed

i am not even sure what the panzer 1 was meant to be used for

[frigid karma]

It was germanys first mass produced tank as the name implies

It has machine guns as its main armament, it’s just meant to roll around and shoot at infantry

For an early 1930s tank, it did its job well enough imo

[kindred reef]

especially considering it was built with parts that germany was allowed to buy

[frigid karma]

I don’t think anyone would consider the bt7 or pz1 tanks bad at their intended jobs unlike latewar German models which shit themselves 30 times getting to the front only for a lend leased Stuart to shit on them in the side

[kindred reef]

was the panzer 2 any good?

why use stuart when you can use the best tank tetrarch light tank

no its just a meme tank because it destroyed the germans

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1609535654966300672

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Although the Challenger 2E did not won the competition in the Greek trials for a new tank in 1998, it had some very important advantages.
Challenger 2E was the only one from the six competitors to have a toilet in the hull and a traditional British tea maker.

Likes

477

Twitter · Jan 1, 2023, 1:02 PM

[tough quail]

strange definition of horrible

as long as you consider their service date anyway

[kindred reef]

yeah but the bt-7 was not very comfy to ride in ive heard it was horrible

[tough quail]

most tanks of the time weren't

its got plenty going for it over contemporary tanks though

[eternal veldt]

The real atrocity is the BT-42

[humble mulch]

Stop being a werhb and using really fucking weird metrics for what defines a good or a bad tank and then arguing on said metric

[eternal veldt]

Elevated to meme godhood because of funny animay

[tough quail]

well, no

he had thr panzer 1 in there too

[humble mulch]

Panzer 1 is basically a tankette

[tough quail]

which is before germany started losing their minds

and still made good tanks

[humble mulch]

Yeah, like they had specific roles

So argue on the roles

Not like, how comfy their seats are

[eternal veldt]

Comfort is a metric, but not the ultimate metric

You try something like the A38 you'd rather shoot yourself

[humble mulch]

Ones an Infantry support tank to fuck up people who don't have tanks, other is more a breakthroughs and harassment

[tough quail]

it is a valid metric yeah

its just in a time oeriod where like

most suck ass at it

[eternal veldt]

Like, your arm getting stuck in the tranmission level bad on the A38

[tough quail]

dont get me started about the panther loader again

[eternal veldt]

And the commander bumping his neck over every tiny slope

[humble mulch]

Based Czech tanks win again

[tough quail]

tea ive told you about that right

[humble mulch]

Oh of course

[tough quail]

loaders dont get a chair, and the station is shorter than the average german height

so

you know

[humble mulch]

I only like Panthers cause they look neat, I know they were incredibly bad designs

[tough quail]

have fun being hunched over the whole time

think i'd prefer getting shot by an IS-2 at that point, at least its quick

[humble mulch]

Hell I only have a panther model just for show, I've never actually used it in my wargaming

[eternal veldt]

Fifth gear popped out with tremendous force and could break the driver’s wrist against the steering leaver.
With an exhausted driver at risk of injury, the officer in charge called an end to the trials before they had even properly began and recommended that the tank be abandoned.

Tfw the brits went from this dogshit to Centurion in the span of 4 years

[humble mulch]

Aye Universal carriers are based

They put pak guns in those fuckers

[tough quail]

yeah there should not be a /s there

bren carriers my beloved

[eternal veldt]

Speaking of cramped

Jagdpanzer 38t

[humble mulch]

I have a Lee and a Stuart model that I'm gonna make this year and paint up as soviets ones so I can let my Romanians have them as captured tanks

[eternal veldt]

That thing looks nightmarish to sit in

[humble mulch]

Oh it is

[tough quail]

i mean

lee to sherman

its a running theme

[desert agate]

who needs a pak when you have glorious 2 pdr

[tough quail]

also goofy shit like SMTs and T-35s into the KV-1

[desert agate]

this pic goes hard

[tough quail]

lads on tour

[humble mulch]

Bro I wanna do that with the boys

[desert agate]

no clue where it was taken but if i had to guess its either 8th divvy in singapore or 10th on home defence

or possibly militia

[eternal veldt]

Where are the Kangaroos?

[desert agate]

shot

[eternal veldt]

Not those, hit

[desert agate]

i should make one of those slander memes but with AIF divisions

[frigid karma]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-pf8gh9lmJF4IeGisHzxwhwDCfAzVaMVSVSLKxJeM1w/https/i.imgur.com/fNyqFlO.png

You rang?

[tough quail]

yee i think i was tbhe first guy to point those out

its dope as hell

like honestly fuck the girls

fuck the lore

these sprites are the main event

[manic latch]

[kindred reef]

i feel like the Churchill was the british version of the Sherman in a sense that there were many different variants used for different things

[spring briar]

Bruh

[tough quail]

Cromwell is what you're looking for, mainly

[desert agate]

matilda

[tough quail]

Matilda gang

[kindred reef]

i heard that the matilda was the most survivable tank of the war is that true?

[frigid karma]

No

[tough quail]

not really no

was pretty meaty for it's size iirc

[frigid karma]

It had good armor compared to its contemporaries in the desert, but wasn’t too much trouble to pen for anything above a 50

Sherman is a really easy tank to survive in, but it depends on what you mean by survivable

Most heavily armored would be something like a jagdtiger

[desert agate]

the Japanese soldier preparing to defend his homeland from the enemy invasion in one of the most extensive bunker networks on earth when some Australian guys with a fucking anti-submarine weapon strapped on the back of a tank detonates him half a kilometre in the air

matilda was excellent for 1940

in europe

by 42 it was very obsolete

[kindred reef]

20% of jagdtigers were scuttled because of breakdowns

[desert agate]

fortunately it was just fine in the pacific

[tough quail]

late war Germany moment

[desert agate]

dont google matilda reliability rates

[kindred reef]

ive heard the matilda was the most reliable

[desert agate]

matilda was unironically the allied tiger

[kindred reef]

wasnt it fast too?

[desert agate]

very slow

[kindred reef]

oh

[tough quail]

it's basically a fucking brick

[desert agate]

and its reliability was very much overblown post-war

oh a guy called Tiger88 just liked my tweet im sure he's a very wholesome lad with normal political opinions

[frigid karma]

If Matilda had HE the war would’ve been won in 1942

Change my mind

[desert agate]

HE from a 2pdr shell

yeah have fun mate

[kindred reef]

it seems any german vehicle produced in 1945 had a fair chance of falling apart, just looked at the reliability of the king tiger and... wow

[desert agate]

youve got the explosive mass of a fucking pencil

[tough quail]

even shitty HE helps, just wouldn't be a godsend

[frigid karma]

I’d rather have a 2 pdr he shell to fire at a gun shield rather than an AP shell that goes through and does nothing

[kindred reef]

couldn't the char b1 blow up any german tank of the era?

[desert agate]

theoretically yes but the commander was too overworked to efficiently find targets

[kindred reef]

also why could the hull gun not move sideways at all?

seems like it would be a pain to aim

[desert agate]

because it was intended to fire at static targets

like bunkers

[spiral cedar]

You gotta consider the range of targets that the 75mm could handle but the 47mm could not

[kindred reef]

what was frances tank for fighting other tanks?

[spiral cedar]

Ft-17 (not really(

[kindred reef]

that thing looks like it is from before they even had tanks

[tough quail]

S-35 my beloved

oh no I mean the french main line tank, I know that's British

[frigid karma]

Came after mki

And it’s technically the forefather of all modern armor

[tough quail]

Yeah, the FT-17 is essentially the first blueprint for actual tanks instead of huge casemate monsters

also known as based

[kindred reef]

matilda-34-76

[tough quail]

Rad

[manic latch]

Captain D Michelson with a turtle named Tim. This turtle was the mascot of the 2/2 Australian Battalion

[desert agate]

6th divvy gang

[spring briar]

Sir please do not paint the tutel

[tough quail]

excellent

i love he

[spring briar]

🦆

[unique sierra]

So is the STAAG and the hazemeyer based on actual bofors mounts? can't find anything

ah

nvm found it

Thought it was american

[frigid karma]

no comment

[spiral cedar]

No, please do

[frigid karma]

so this is a brazilian anti drone weapon

it basically shoots scrambling signals at drones

it's quite sexy

comment made

(scope is weird)

[manic latch]

@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

Hazemeijer Signaal was a Dutch company that did fire control and was the only among two exportin tachymetric directors. They were also responsible for converting the Swedish Bofors mounting into a triaxially stabilised mounting (Dutch no. 3) and later gave it fully independent firecontrol (Dutch no. 4).
Britain copied this mount in the Mk IV "Hazemeyer". The US only copied the Swedish mount (and later made a quad version).

The British first ordered 200 Mk. IV Hazemeyer mounts, and Vickers started with Dutch research assistance on a BUSTER mount. The British, upset that their best mount wasn't a native design, had their version of Bureau of Ordnance start on the STAAG mount. Initially this wasn't very succesful and way behind the BUSTER. What happened from 1942 - 1945 is a mystery to me but they both got delayed and BUSTER was almost entirely cancelled. Then postwar the STAAG showed up using the Anglo-Dutch RDF 262.

[thorn trail]

Speaking of AA, what was the idea for the sextuple bofors design? It looks so weird craming 6 guns in that much space

[delicate beacon]

More Dakka is better, I pressume

[spring briar]

Guys I found a cool water tank

[thorn trail]

wait this Castle Bravo or smth?

[kindred reef]

i found a cool water tank aswell

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1609644064013692928

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1962, the U.S. Navy SEALs were established. The SEALs were an extension of the Underwater Demolition Teams that were created after submerged obstacles had caused heavy casualties during the amphibous assault on Tarawa in 1943. Now, even sea lion pups want to be SEALs.

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Twitter · Jan 1, 2023, 8:13 PM

[spring briar]

No

Castle Bravo used this

[thorn trail]

Then what bomb is this?

[spring briar]

SHRIMP

[thorn trail]

No i mean the one you sent at first

[spring briar]

The first one I posted was mk.41

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B41_nuclear_bomb

[frigid karma]

1973 shaped charge in a football

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

goddamn, we really don't have any football skins

odd

extremely odd

[tough quail]

i cannot think of a single American football skin in any gacha

the lack of European ones is weird tho

[spring briar]

Yes sang?

[delicate beacon]

Cute shells

I'm afraid I will need to start touching grass for more info

Why can't everything just be online

Need to get a good summary on the Bofors and Krupp companies and their activities with the Dutch navy first so my book is somewhat presentable

[spring briar]

Yes

[spring briar]

[valid trout]

What ship would this be on?

The Japanese?

[subtle prawn]

French ships

[valid trout]

Ah ok

[unborn wyvern]

scope is backwards

[desert agate]

cricket event theme for RN when

make sure vanguard is always complaining about losing to shrop and vampy too

https://twitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1609746316187373568?s=20&t=Y1OvjUTsmW8rZ8VZozBsyw

Aust War Memorial (@AWMemorial)

Today we commemorate the 80th anniversary of the fall of Buna. This evening at 4.45pm the Last Post Ceremony will commemorate Private Sidney Thomas Duckett who was killed in action at the fall of Buna, 80 years ago today. https://t.co/2fKNieqPQx

Twitter · Jan 2, 2023, 3:00 AM

[stiff mauve]

Are these seriously just redone Shokaku/Yamato models or?

[eternal veldt]

Scratchbuilding/kitbashing, not hard when you have the plans on hand

Though, I don't remember any Yamato preliminaries with casemates

[stiff mauve]

Not sure if the carrier is Shokaku though

But i suspect the models are just done up for the sake of the film

[eternal veldt]

Because they are.

Id rule it out as fake

The IJN was not insane enough to place 20.3cm mounts next to islands like the Lexingtons

[ivory ridge]

This 76mm mount

Is peculiar

The fact they like

Cut the bottom frontal part of the mount

Makes it look weird

Also I discovered it's the only japanese warship class that uses a stealth mount instead of the old round cupola

[lapis wraith]

This is an swiss soldier in an restaurant with his rifle and uniform

[manic latch]

J-35 with Aerial Refueling Capability

[shrewd pecan]

so your telling me

it didn't have that capability until now for some godforsaken reason

[manic latch]

Well maybe for being prototype models

[manic latch]

Hmm

[shrewd pecan]

also ngl I hate the J-35 naming scheme for the J-31

[manic latch]

Isn't j-35 is naval variant name

While the main thing is J-31?

[shrewd pecan]

J-35 is a made up name

made up by commentators

[manic latch]

Well it did had number 35 on it

On fins? Irrc

F-15E vs F-15EX

[shrewd pecan]

I don't think

35 on the tails aircraft means its the J-35 officially

tho

I suppose the US does that all the time with its prototypes

nah I'm just being dumb

👁️ I just hate there being multiple aircraft with the name J-35

[supple dome]

J35 Draken

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken

[supple dome]

The aircraft looks pretty dope tho

[manic latch]

I don't like it

[shrewd pecan]

combined with the fact

[manic latch]

It would look better if two engines

[supple dome]

Still not as cool as Viggen tho

[shrewd pecan]

its not the only aircraft in Chinese service that's marked 35

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35

[manic latch]

....Is J-16 Su-35?

Ok
Su-27 is J-11
SU-33 is J-15

Fuck what was J16

[shrewd pecan]

a modernized Su-27

that uses composites

[supple dome]

There's no recent military channel?

[shrewd pecan]

no

[supple dome]

Is using this channel as recent even allowed tho

[shrewd pecan]

it all gets directed here

[supple dome]

Oh

Good then

[shrewd pecan]

just don't dive too much into recent politics

[supple dome]

I guess that war discussion is prohibited tho

No problem

[shrewd pecan]

everyone got warned over the Ukraine when that was first kicking off

tho it was funny to see multiple people fail to see the obvious happen I will not dwell further from there

[supple dome]

What is the best non-stealth multirole fighter and why is it the F-15E

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the F-15EX can actually

face off against the F-35 and F-22

and have a chance while doing it

[supple dome]

F-15E possess the ability of both Su-35 AND Su-34 at the same time

It's crazy how all rounder yet effective that aircraft is

[shrewd pecan]

basic multirole capability go crazy

[supple dome]

And here we are, still waiting PRC to make their own strike fighter

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi'an_JH-7

[supple dome]

Wait a minute

J-16 is a bloody strike fighter?

New lesson learned I guess

[shrewd pecan]

no reason why she can't pull off that mission set

[manic latch]

Ok so

F15EX came to War thunder and you will load her with anti air load

What's your pick as numbers?

[shrewd pecan]

I don't even think

her full anti aircraft loadout

would be practical since I'd have more missiles than players in the match

[shut wren]

J-16 is a Electronic warfare fighter-

[shrewd pecan]

J-16D is

standard J-16 isn't

[manic latch]

Wait..how many hardpoint she had. 12?

[shrewd pecan]

kremlin she has 22 AMRAAMs

[thorn trail]

Isn't the J-16 the Chinese equivalent to the F-15E?

[manic latch]

[thorn trail]

some hardpoints can carry up to 4 AMRAAMs

[shut wren]

Q-5 should be able to carry tact nuke

like in GRB

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ the F-14s full phoenix loadout is stupid since by the time you get them all off you're already in the middle of a fight with no maneuvering missiles to actually fight with

[manic latch]

F35 can also do that I think

[shrewd pecan]

there mentioning Warthunder

[thorn trail]

most US strike aircraft can

[shrewd pecan]

and like

[shut wren]

In the 1960s when the Soviets threated china with nuke and stuff

they decided to strap nukes on to the Q-5 attackers

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ do you really want the Q-5 as anything beyond gods most soulless to play premium

[shut wren]

yes

[supple dome]

The new F-15EXs boast updated cockpit systems, an enhanced sensor suite and data fusion capabilities, and the ability to carry up to 29,500 pounds of ordnance split into 12 air-to-air hard points or 15 air-to-ground hard points.

[shut wren]

thats not what i meant

the A-5c is the premium

the Q-5 can be researched

[shrewd pecan]

nuke aircraft don't matter honestly

[manic latch]

So it is indeed 12. But hardpoints can carry more than 1

[shut wren]

Its historic

[shrewd pecan]

and I have no idea why anyone would willingly play any form of Q-5/A-5 that isn't the A-5C

[shut wren]

B R O K E

[manic latch]

Bet next Naval US plane is F14 Late

Better engines

[supple dome]

12 AMRAAMs

[shrewd pecan]

they released the F-16 and MIG-29

and the tomcat still dominates

[thorn trail]

F-14B, C or D?

[manic latch]

They can be 22

[shrewd pecan]

yeah give us another tomcat

I need to be even more powerful in this godforsaken aircraft

[supple dome]

Nope

[shut wren]

We need J-11

[supple dome]

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article/3116151/f-15ex-missile-shots-examined-to-verify-combat-capability/

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan help

F15 Ex has 12 or 22 Amraam?

[shrewd pecan]

depends on how you load it

its max with the right racks

is 22

[supple dome]

It could carry only 4 if you want to go stealthy

[manic latch]

D

[shrewd pecan]

In 2018, the USAF and Boeing discussed the F-15X, a proposed single-seat variant based on the F-15QA to replace USAF F-15C/Ds. Improvements included the AMBER weapons rack to carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles,

[manic latch]

No need for 3 F14

2 is enough

[supple dome]

This come from the Air Combat Command web

[shut wren]

Where H-6

[shrewd pecan]

make that 20 AIM-120s

and 2 AIM-9s

[supple dome]

Maybe the 22 numbers if it's not entirely AMRAAMs

Mixed with Sidewinders

[manic latch]

What BR would she B. Given bombers are a death wish higher BR they go

[shrewd pecan]

if she has the amber racks

its 20 AMRAAMs

2 AIM-9s

beyond that

[shut wren]

8.7 or 9.0

[shrewd pecan]

usually whatever aircraft in war thunder has the most missiles ends up dominating so

[supple dome]

Amber racks huh

[shrewd pecan]

you can probably imagine what the F-15EX can pull off

[manic latch]

Yeah F16 dominating with 6 Aim-9L

[supple dome]

Not really practical IRL, but it'll be dominating in game

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

you could make it work irl

for no fly zone enforcement/interceptor duty

[thorn trail]

your range and endurance tho would be severely limited

[shut wren]

Chinese aircraft carrier when

[shrewd pecan]

china doesn't even have

carrier capable aircraft yet in warthunder

[manic latch]

Get a navy tree first

[shrewd pecan]

and won't for like

20+ patches

[supple dome]

I mean, F-15EX is a strike fighter
There's no way in hell they will carry either all-AAM or all-air to ground ordinances unless they're fucked

[thorn trail]

it makes sense of interceptor duty but for no fly zone enforcement I have doubts on the endurance of a max armed F-15EX

[shrewd pecan]

remember the USAF's tanker fleet

[supple dome]

They will use F-35 instead for full AAM loadout

[shrewd pecan]

and how its just

hundreds and hundreds of tankers?

[thorn trail]

Oh right

[supple dome]

B-52 literally flew from USA to Iraq

[shrewd pecan]

her mission set isn't going to be the traditional F-15Es

[supple dome]

Thanks to the tanker fleet

[manic latch]

Hehe Boi

[thorn trail]

Yeah 400 KC-135s and 60 KC-10s

[supple dome]

400 KC-135

[shrewd pecan]

since the F-15Es ability to be a deep penetrating strike fighter is becoming less relevant by the day

[thorn trail]

That isn't even the longest ranged use of the tanker fleet. That was the flight of B-2s to Afghanistan

[shrewd pecan]

F-15EXs main duties are going to be air space defense and cruise missile delivery

[thorn trail]

which went the long way around thru the pacific instead

[supple dome]

USAF
Hobby: keeping old aircraft like KC-135 and RC-135

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[thorn trail]

they are getting replaced by the KC-46s

[shrewd pecan]

tell boeing to actually make their aircraft functional

[manic latch]

Isn't Boeing nearing bankruptcy

[shut wren]

Yall saw a few days ago A J-11 went 3 meters close to one of the RC-135s in the South china sea

[shrewd pecan]

no

[thorn trail]

I honestly wished that the A330 MRTT was chosen isntead

[shrewd pecan]

there just struggling for a multitude of reasons

[manic latch]

Well they did lose F35 and now black hawk replacement programs

[supple dome]

"its planned service life, keeping some jets in service to at least 2050"

[shrewd pecan]

I mean I would of preferred the USAF would of just bought both KC-46 and lockheeds Airbus variant

[supple dome]

KC-10 were made by McDonnell-Douglas

[thorn trail]

isn't the B52 fleet planned to be until 2070s?

[manic latch]

Upgrade should take her 2050s easy

[shrewd pecan]

that Boeing-McDonnell-Douglas merger really fucked Boeing in the long run tbh

[thorn trail]

B-52 be old as fuck

[shrewd pecan]

since they inherited

all of McDonnells worse aspects

[manic latch]

No replacement was ever made weirdly

[shrewd pecan]

for B-52?

[manic latch]

Ye

[shrewd pecan]

what is there to replace

[thorn trail]

that was supposed to be the B-1 and B-2 iirc

also the B-70

[manic latch]

Exactly

[supple dome]

B-1A

[manic latch]

There is no attempt

[supple dome]

It's cancelled

[thorn trail]

But i don't think they'll make another subsonic tube bomber

[supple dome]

XB-70 was too damn expensive

I don't really know why they went to produce B-1B instead

[thorn trail]

the B-1A was a high speed high altitude bomber

[shrewd pecan]

XB-70's design was inrelavant for the type of threat the USAF was seeing

[thorn trail]

the B-1B is kind of like the strategic version of the F-111, penetrating air space by low flying

[shrewd pecan]

and baseline lancer A was made redundant by the AGM-86

[supple dome]

USA after they realized that cancelling ADATS was a grave mistake

[thorn trail]

they removed the back turret after a US HARM locked into the radar of the gun turret

iirc back in the Gulf War

[supple dome]

That war proves that SPAAGs are still relevant, and even more than ever

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the biggest issue with ADATs is

what is it going to shoot at?

[supple dome]

UAVs

[shrewd pecan]

why are you using

gods most expensive SHORAD missiles

on UAVs

[supple dome]

The bloody autocannon

[shrewd pecan]

the 25 MM

that doesn't have proxy

that you also have a cheaper vehicle as a air defense platform

as a alternative for

like don't get me wrong I think ADATs makes sense for a Cold War Soviet confrontation mindset

[supple dome]

Or else just change the SHORADs with less expensive ones or outright removing it
There's already M1097 Avenger tho

[shrewd pecan]

but for a post cold war budget and the global war on terror

[supple dome]

Welp, at that time the UAV threat wasn't really proven tho

[shrewd pecan]

she made no sense for that

and for today

[shut wren]

it looks like it built outta legos

[supple dome]

So it's logical at that time

[shrewd pecan]

I do not think she would be at all relevant

[supple dome]

But right now

[shrewd pecan]

for UAV or modern SHORAD work without a crapton of modernizations

[manic latch]

Why people forget Leonidas

[thorn trail]

is this a bradley?

[shrewd pecan]

yes

with stingers

[thorn trail]

Why is there a gap near the tracks

[supple dome]

Cool

[thorn trail]

Why is there a gap here

[manic latch]

I ate it

[manic latch]

Yeee

[shut wren]

the lego brick fell out

[supple dome]

Could the Bradley autocannon shoot UAVs properly if they run out of Stingers tho

[shrewd pecan]

the bradley has optical tracking for aircraft

[thorn trail]

that looks like a mobile radar system

[supple dome]

Question
How long will it take for it to enter service

Looks dope

[shrewd pecan]

its a anti drone system

idk probably within the next few years

Stryker Dragoon made it pretty quickly into service

same with the SHORADs

actually lemme get the picture my friend deployed in Germany sent

[supple dome]

In a nutshell, it pretty much shoot "lasers"

[manic latch]

Microwave

[thorn trail]

Wait ok now I know what that reminds me of now

the Microwave tank from CnC Generals

[manic latch]

Yes

[supple dome]

Another cool thing

B-21 is still under budget

[manic latch]

Yet

[supple dome]

Considering it's already shown to public while still under budget is very cool

[manic latch]

Build +5 models

If it's still under budget

[supple dome]

Imagine if it's the LockMart

[manic latch]

Then it will be good

Huh

[shut wren]

Gib china naval tree

[shut wren]

it could be like the israel tree

[supple dome]

Does War Thunder still use ROC flag for ROC subtree?

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[supple dome]

Cool

So, that news about it being removed was just a rumour then

[shrewd pecan]

I mean last time I checked it still did

thoI could be wrong

idk the new F-16 in the China tree has full blown ROC Markings

[thorn trail]

This a Stryker right?

[shrewd pecan]

what else would it be?

[manic latch]

Centauro

[thorn trail]

Idk I suck at identifying vehicles at first glance

[manic latch]

For sure

[shrewd pecan]

Stryker SHORADS

[supple dome]

Indonesian-style Vietnam Gun Trucks

[shrewd pecan]

turrets are under the covers

[thorn trail]

Wtf is that a transformers logo on the front? lmao

[supple dome]

Yes

Papua isn't considered as a military operation zone so it's basically cops kitbashing a civilian 4x2 truck

What Indonesia purchased last year

[manic latch]

Hmm

You guys can get a vehicle for WT

I'm thinking the Harimau

Variant of Turkish Kaplan or..collab work?

[shut wren]

they gonna have a entire new tree for that

or put it inside another tree

[manic latch]

Put in another yes

Like Spanish and Turkish vehicles

[supple dome]

Indonesia tech tree?

U better make Usean tech tree instead

It's the same

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ generally put

I don't think warthunder needs any new tech trees

that aren't subtrees

since it takes one look at Israel's tech tree

yeah

I hope you like magachs

[shut wren]

never seen em

[shrewd pecan]

because no one wants to play the same tank copy and pasted for a entire tree

[manic latch]

God I wish IS-7 was mass produced and Israel had them

They would turn that beauty to next level

[shut wren]

it was too heavy

also its own gun cant pen the IS-7

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 kremlin that is literally the worse part of the fucking Israeli tech tree

it is mid tank after mid tank

[shut wren]

n o its beacuse i play tier 3

[manic latch]

Hey I like things getting weird upgrades

APFDS for Is-7 gun

[shut wren]

Upgrade J-7 into drones

[manic latch]

A-10 too then

[shrewd pecan]

like

literally

[shut wren]

I took down a bunch of A-10s with My Mig-17as

[shrewd pecan]

there should be no more new trees

[manic latch]

True

[shut wren]

Next world war should Be chinese civil war

[shrewd pecan]

since no one can actually make a playable tree that's not just copy and paste vehicles

even like a pan Korean tree

is just gonna be fucking

copy and paste T-62s and M48s forever

[shut wren]

To be fair China was dirt poor in the early times

[shrewd pecan]

until you get a T-72M

and then the K1s and K2s

[manic latch]

Imagine South Korea air tech tree

Copy paste until KF-21

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

South Korea actually gets unique versions of the F-16, F-5 and F-15 at least

North Korea tree would just be pain and misery since you don't get a tank with thermals until what would essentially be its 10.0

tho

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokpung-ho

kornet and MANPAD slinging would be funny

[shut wren]

they should add the funny Type 59 Gai

into the air tree

[unborn wyvern]

kinda useful in WG:RD

[desert agate]

A2A refuelling has always been a neglected capability in Chinese and Russian militaries

[shut wren]

Because We were Broke af

[supple dome]

New North Korean wunderwaffe has dropped

600mm MLRS

[shrewd pecan]

biggest countries on earth

[supple dome]

Wonder if it could actually shoot

[shrewd pecan]

neglects air refueling

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if Palestinians in basement can make grad rockets

North Korea probably can

[desert agate]

tbh i think its less a monetary issue and more an institutional experience + only become relevant in our doctrine recently issue

[supple dome]

For russia, even their AWACS are as old as E-3

[shrewd pecan]

its been a major thing in the US since the 50s/60s

[desert agate]

yes it's pretty important when you need to project power over huge oceans

[tough quail]

also its inherently more relevant to a country thats fighting overseas than a country whose only real interest are direct neighbors + a fuckbillion air bases in range

not that it still isnt important

[shrewd pecan]

I mean its not just crossing oceans

[desert agate]

cross-country transfers are a waste of A2A refuelling resources

[shrewd pecan]

its also amassing for strikes and other shit that need large amounts of aircraft in the air at once

[desert agate]

Institutional experience is huge, Chinese and Russians previously only used a handful of modified IL-76s for A2A refuelling, Russia has never really expected to be operating far beyond the maximum range of its air bases thus a small unspecialised tanker fleet was considered useful since you had it when you needed it but you didnt need it often, and the army would just capture airfields as it progressed in an offensive campaign, and the Chinese generally followed this with some additional caveats since their main anti-shipping capability (a pretty important capability for a country with a coastline as large as China's, unlike the Russians whose maritime boundaries are quite localised) came from the H-6 which already had enough range to touch enemy task forces and didn't have A2A refuelling capability

[shut wren]

Chinese Air Doctrine 1950's Be like:Run out of Ammo,You are the Ammo now

[shrewd pecan]

we aren't talking about the 1950s PRC

[desert agate]

Chinese doctrine only really caught up to the modern extended-range strikes that have dominated Western doctrine for the last 40 odd years in the last 5-10 years thus they've been putting far greater emphasis on the tanker force which has expanded massively, they introduced their first KC-30 equivalent airborne tankers in 2016 but they still need to gain that institutional experience that the West gained over decades

[shut wren]

On the tanker thing,They are converting a few of their Y-20s into YY-20 for air refueling

[desert agate]

Y-20 already has an A2A refuelling capability afaik but a dedicated airframe will be better

so the modified YY-20s are definitely a step in the right direction

[shut wren]

They also tested using 1 J-15 to Refuel another J-15

i think

[desert agate]

it's definitely a KC-30 equivalent in all respects being multi-role and having similar MTOWs

but they've still got to climb that learning curve

[thorn trail]

The US has that as well for the Hornet as a buddy system but found that it exerts a lot of stress on the airframe and drastically lowers the lifespan of the plane

[desert agate]

give them 10 years and they'll be in a significantly better position in terms of A2A refuelling capacity and capability

[thorn trail]

Something like 1hrs of flying as a buddy tanker is about 3hrs of stress of flying normally

[desert agate]

yeah theres a reason the US invested in the S-3

and then retired them without replacement

and then realised they needed the capability and tried to bring it back but by then it was too late

and thats how we get the funny stealth drones

[thorn trail]

I've read that at any given moment about 1/5 of a carrier air wing is dedicated to buddy tanking

which is a lot of planes

[desert agate]

afaik a lot of the S-3 airframes were still below their max flight hours too

[thorn trail]

Wow then why the heck did they retire them

Even if they were kind of obsoleted as an ASW platform, repurposing them as a tanker would make sense

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they were repurposed as a tanker

they retired them for a few very silly reasons

cost of maintenance was starting to bite
work to extend the service lives was not free
there was a replacement in the works (it never materialised)

the new stealth drones are gonna be cool when they enter service tho

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Arsenal Bird when

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still waiting on that first MQ-25 squadron

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Unde, I need sources on the 76/62

The one that was on the frigate lend to the Dutch

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XB-35

Close enough I guess

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TB-3*

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which?

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Albatross-class?

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oh the SMP3

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F542 Aquila

I need citeable stuff

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I live

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holy shit

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Did you not?

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https://old.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/101irn4/top_ten_navies_by_aggregate_displacement_1/

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oh made by our resident phoenix

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o/

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depth charges can still hurt a submarine on the surface right?

[alpine onyx]

Yes

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Scroll up a few messages and answer my question I gave unde.

[alpine onyx]

They can hurt anything on the surface

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Especially sailors.

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Depth charges can hurt the dd they launched from so DDs go full speed

[alpine onyx]

Hence why depth charge dropping at slow speeds was not a thing

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*stares at Japanese destroyers Depth charging stragglers*

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Infamously, at midway hamman’s depth charges killed many of Yorktown’s crew

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do only destroyers carry depth chatges?

[alpine onyx]

Nah

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Light cruisers do too

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Even some capital ships

[alpine onyx]

Some cruisers and even less BBs did too

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As well as some heavy cruisers

And BBs

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It's just impractical

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But you don’t assign those to asw

BBs call in a magical asw flight that spawns a few hundred meters behind them

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Anything can Carry depth charges. Its up to navy to decide on who

Bismarck irl had depth charges on her stern

Only a few but still

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so could you put a naval gun turret on a submarine and go close enough to a ship to where its guns cant get you (because of gun depression) and just fire away?

[chilly osprey]

What kind of information in particular are you looking for?

Unfortunately I only really have data from secondary sources

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In modern times depth charges aren't used that much anymore right?

[chilly osprey]

There are still some ASW mortar systems in service, but, they're not really that relevant anymore

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Bro why not just use torps

[thorn trail]

Been mostly replaced by ASROCs and such?

[chilly osprey]

The kind of role they took up is now mostly taken up by ship-launched lightweight torpedoes

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Particulairs of the gun (twist rate, lengths, weights, projectiles) and possibly the story you had on the gun killing someone of the Koninklijke Marine

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Also submarines are slow. I don't think there was a ww2 submarine that could catch up to a destroyer

[chilly osprey]

And if you need to throw the torpedo out further, stuff like VL-ASROC or MILAS is a thing.

Not to mention your helicopters!

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i was meaning to intercept it ik they are slow

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They can't catch up to +20 knot BBs too

Or +25*

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it's hard to intercept if you are slower than the thing you are intercepting

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Yes, but most naval guns on subs are small

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Think like AA missile. AA has to be faster then the target missile for a good chance to intercept it

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And getting to that distance is suicidal

And also likely impossible

Since the ship is faster

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this may be a dumb question, but if you saw a torpedo, could you shoot at it in the water with an aa gun and hope to hit the explosives?

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Also didn't like Submarines have naval guns early on

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The crew will also probably hurl live grenades onto your hull

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Yes

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Depends on depth

If it's surface level it's possible

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One of taiho’s planes suicided into a torpedo to stop a torpedo

[thorn trail]

Ok this is something I've been wanting to ask for a while now but Ark Royal's slow skill ingame is a reference to the torpedo that slowed the Bismarck right? If so is there an irl reference to the time stop thing of Formi?

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are there any times where someone actually managed to destroy a torpedo with one of the small caliber guns on a ship?

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was bismarcks speed dropped significantly by her torpedo hit?

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Idk that's what I thought the slow was referencing

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Yes, actually

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Irrc Formidable disabled the engine of Veneto

With torpedo attack

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The first torpedo hit had only minor consequences

The second/third one was what reduced the speed from 24-27kn to like... eight

[chilly osprey]

Since she was forced to try and steer with her propulsion shafts after the torpedo hit aft, and as the weather got worse this hampered her speed

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Shortly disable*

[thorn trail]

aight then thank you

[chilly osprey]

Engines weren't disabled by that torpedo hit, Krem