history

[frigid karma]

without overcommitting and letting the quick heals overwhelm him

[ivory ridge]

i think he's talking about

brawl

the gamemode

[tough quail]

oh

[ivory ridge]

an actual bubble

lol

[tough quail]

fair shout then

[frigid karma]

no but if a massa and tirpitz rush each other without stopping, the tirpitz always wins bc turtleback and torps

[spring briar]

But I just enter the cap
Avoid his torp range
And angle

[frigid karma]

how do you avoid his torp range when in cap

is the tirpitz camping the A line?

[spring briar]

But I also win these

[frigid karma]

that's a first for tirpitzes

massa full broadside into a tirpitz belt can easily do 30k+, but tirpitz can cit in return

[spring briar]

You can still dodge 1 or two close range torps most of the time and then hit him for 20k with your AP

[frigid karma]

yes, but probably against dipshit tirpitzes that just got it 2 minutes ago from their daddy's credit card

against a tirpitz that knows what they're doing

[spring briar]

And Tirp does not cit reliably especially trying to micro manage torps

[maiden citrus]

I'll admit my most played ship is tirpitz cuz it had the +100% free xp camo

lol

[frigid karma]

tf you mean micro manage

it's torps

[spring briar]

Im sorry qwerty but Massa is just better

[frigid karma]

you click and launch them when the angle is right

im literally talking about a bubble of a one on one brawl here

[spring briar]

Btw does Anhalt have torps

[frigid karma]

yes, 4x1 700mm

[spring briar]

Right

[frigid karma]

but anhalt cit is the size of a moskva so

eh

shes trash

still tirpitzes can and will beat massachusetts as long as you know what you're doing

[tough quail]

i think like

most early players that actually bought premiums have tirpitz as their most played tbh

[maiden citrus]

I'm so glad they seperated it

[spring briar]

Works both ways

[maiden citrus]

now I can do murica camo

on all my ships

[maiden citrus]

wows stays winning

[tough quail]

i just put the white one on everything usually

[frigid karma]

richie please you need to stop being headass

[tough quail]

very pretty

[maiden citrus]

I also have a bunch of azur lane camos

[frigid karma]

at point blank ranges the tirpitz has torps, the massa does not

[spring briar]

Qwerty you need to stop nitpicking scenarios

[tough quail]

i really hate that we introduced the term headass because it really seems like it's only used when it shouldnt be

[frigid karma]

fast heals won't decide the showdown if one of them is likely dead in the next 40 seconds

this is literally brawls there's only like 2 possible scenarios

you're duking it out in the cap or you're pushing someone kiting away

[spring briar]

I fought plenty of tirpitz that got their torps off on me at close range and I can still kill them

[maiden citrus]

the scenario is you die because you're qwerty

[frigid karma]

yeah because

they're tirpitz captains

and have bugs in their brains

[spring briar]

The torps vs AP trade is not in tirpitz favor since I can make myself a smaller target and still keep 6 guns on her

Ok qwerty

Keep blaming anything

[frigid karma]

..so?

yes the tirpitz will eat a shit ton of damage trying to get the torps off

but the hp deficit from the torps along with the tirpitz's generally better secondaries at close ranges means that the dps race is not in massa's favor

[tough quail]

swings out to torp

5" shell hits launcher

curb your enthusiasm theme

[frigid karma]

it's why you run aux mod 1

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/trombone-pusheen-musician-instrument-gif-15410427

[frigid karma]

and again

[spring briar]

You believe the short time the torpitz has to live in a cqb brawl will allow her to leverage her sec pen

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

massa secondaries when overspecced for accuracy starts to hit belt

[spring briar]

Where it won’t just hit the belt

[frigid karma]

which is the exact opposite of what you want

[spring briar]

Cmon man

[frigid karma]

massa secondaries can only set fires

and those are healable?

while tirpitz 105s pen everything except belt and mid, and 150s pen everything but belt?

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Qwerty why are you a clown now?

[frigid karma]

im pointing out my opinions in brawls

i generally prefer a competently played tirpitz to a competently played massa, because the tirpitz has more options at its disposal

[delicate beacon]

I meant your pfp, but your behaviour is getting there too I guess

[frigid karma]

and can abuse those options better in a vacuum

[frigid karma]

oh it's an indonesian meme

something about ice cream assimilation

[spring briar]

But you main source of consistent damage (main guns) are trash

[frigid karma]

i mean

[spring briar]

And so is your armor

But hey

[frigid karma]

massa has less sigma than tirpitz?

[spring briar]

Sec pen guys

[frigid karma]

with equal dispersion?

and tirpitz has the faster reload?

[spring briar]

The distance between her fore and aft turrets adds dispersion in brawling scenarios

And throws off the angle

[frigid karma]

except tirpitz actually has less vert. dispersion

at least according to shiptool.st

and again, there is always the threat of torps

yes you can disable them

[maiden citrus]

you're forgetting one critical argument for mass

[frigid karma]

yes you have to expose belt to deal with them

but in a driveby the tirpitz is always going to win, so you can't driveby

[maiden citrus]

I am in your walls

[frigid karma]

good thing i have torps

look most of the time the tirpitz will still lose anyways because german BB captains

but seriously, here's what happens most of the time:

tirpitz pushes up to cap, massa has to stay out or risk dying to torps + secondaries
tirpitz then retreats if no island in cap, or hugs island

wins game on points, if massa pushes in she dies

[spring briar]

I’ve used Roma with the faster turret traverse skill on the equipment and the captain

It’s hilarious

[frigid karma]

where most tirpitz captains fuck up is then they try to push a kiting massa

and die to 406s

anyways i've talked wows for WAY too long

toodles

before tea fucks my mom

[spring briar]

Real legends use Champagne in brawl

[frigid karma]

dies to cv

virgin gun sniper vs chad plane sniper

[tough quail]

leave

[spring briar]

Secondary build Champagne

[frigid karma]

champ actually has decent hitting dpm at 55k

but 100mm lol

should've been ijn

[spring briar]

I wonder

What is the worst bb for brawl

[frigid karma]

probably champagne

or maybe vanguard

[spring briar]

Borodino

[tough quail]

borodino by a massive margin

[frigid karma]

oh ye, her

[tough quail]

you have exactly four secondary guns and your turning circle is a sin against god

[frigid karma]

the bow tanker that can't bow tank

[valid trout]

the german bb are built for brawling

[frigid karma]

with a radar useless unless your team can shoot the dd

[spring briar]

And 220 belt

With a massive cit

[frigid karma]

god they should've at least given her an icebreaker

i don't even think she has one

[tough quail]

she does

[frigid karma]

? interesting

maybe it's really small then, since i bow pen her a lot

[spring briar]

Zieten is actually sad in Brawl

Can’t push

And armor terrible for kiting

[tough quail]

https://i.imgur.com/mWGeJT9.jpeg

[frigid karma]

zieten is just bad all around

sadge

t8 BCs and being bad is so common

[spring briar]

I pray they will give Clemenceau super long range secondaries

[frigid karma]

that would encourage them to push

in a world with subs

they dont even need the range, just give their peashooters good pen

[tough quail]

wait for UR clem 🧠

[spring briar]

UR Stras

[frigid karma]

UR Mom

anyways

gigachad coming through

[valid trout]

wtf

[frigid karma]

only german mains could figure out a way to lose to a ship you instantly delete when sneezing at her

[tough quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEQVfIPoJyY

[maiden citrus]

we have made the german captains metheads as a joke, and for historical accuracy

[frigid karma]

i mean it's literally impossible to lose to a neptune as long as you like

dont yolo

[tough quail]

belfast shooting out scharns radar moment

[frigid karma]

which is what they always do

anyways back to history

ada class corvette in turkey

[spring briar]

Pew

[zealous vine]

I've just read about the reports on Tirpitz' capsizing.. were bomb overpens that common??

[tough quail]

no

the bomb overpenned because it was uh

built to kill god, basically

[zealous vine]

[spiral cedar]

High-altitude AP bombs could do it, yeah

Fritz X could do it for example

[zealous vine]

But in this case, I see that it was clearly just the size of the bomb, is it not?

[spiral cedar]

And had the Japanese 800kg hit a cruiser with a faulty fuze, it could probably have overpenned

[zealous vine]

Tallboys right?

[spiral cedar]

Tallboys are high altitude medium capacity bombs, yes

12000 lb

[zealous vine]

amazing

[eternal veldt]

While technically not a bomb, USS Stanly was on the receiving end of a MXY-7 before

[spiral cedar]

Tirpitz was almost overpenned by a dud 1600 lb AP bomb dropped by a dive bomber

[eternal veldt]

The high velocity of the kamikaze punched clean through the bow, and the warhead just passed right through and exploded on the other side

[spiral cedar]

Which probably says more about Tirpitz's deck armor than anything else

[zealous vine]

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/815540707578216458/image0.png

Hit No. 1 (1600 lb. A.P.) which failed to detonate, perforated the upper deck (1.97-in.), battery deck (.24-in.), armour deck (3.15-in.) and upper and middle platform decks (.24-in. and.28-in. respectively) and came to rest on the lower platform deck (.35-in.), about station 161, port.

One of these detonated on the armour roof of ‘B’ turret which was only slightly damaged but the other – a 1600 lb. armour-piercing bomb – hit the port side of the upper deck abreast the forward conning tower, and penetrated through the armour deck to the lower platform (inner bottom) where it came to rest but – because of a fuse failure – did not detonate. Had this bomb been effective the main fire control rooms, switchboard rooms, etc., would have been put out of action. The resultant flooding would probably have extended to the forward auxiliary boiler room.

The German evaluation was:

The fact that the armour-piercing bomb of more than 1,540 lbs. did not explode must be considered an exceptional stroke of luck, as the effects of that explosion would have been immeasurable.

[maiden citrus]

indeed lol

[spiral cedar]

Had she been at sea such a hit, if not a dud, could have been catastrophic—loss of both fire control and electrical power would have made her a sitting duck for a while before she could either recover herself or get assistance—but in port as she was it stood little chance of actually doing more than force the damcon teams to spend a month or two unwatering her and replacing the damaged systems

So I do think that, in the context of the actual condition Tirpitz was in, the German evaluation was a wee bit melodramatic

Still, under other conditions, such an evaluation would make sense

[spiral cedar]

Anyway, when it comes to Tallboys, "overpenetration" is probably the wrong way to think of them

They weren't fitted with unusually long fuze delays against Tirpitz

Rather, they are of the "make entire armor plates disappear" variety

In the final Tallboy attack (12000 lb MC w/ 0.07s delay), one bomb detonated while passing through the 3.15" main armor deck, causing a large portion of the armor plate in that area (both main armor deck and main belt) to disappear from history. So this detonation after a 0.07s delay occurred right at the main armor deck level.
Another detonated prematurely above the main armor deck, bending the 4.33" sloped armor deck in that area downward by about 7-8 feet. The main belt was either hinged outward or tossed off the ship entirely. This detonation was probably premature, perhaps just due to normal fuze variance.

[alpine onyx]

Well, Tirpitz having a second set of main artillery fire control rooms and switchboards and what not, it wouldn't be as catastrophic

[spiral cedar]

"For a while"

But fair 'nuff

[alpine onyx]

42,000 tons standard had to go somewhere

And can only waste so much on a spacious machinery

[eternal veldt]

You know what, time to open the rabbit hole

Often have we joked about KM destroyers being shite, especially over seaworthiness. How good were they at sea?

[alpine onyx]

Depends on which one

The 1934 branch had issues with their hull strength and were topheavy, so they weren't good at sea (but didn't snap in half either. The 1936 and following were much more sturdy and stable (with a detour to the 1936As being bow-heavy snd thus more wet than desirable), and generally considered decent seabotes.

Problem is that with their short range, they never got to properly test it in the Atlantic like the ugly sisters did

[eternal veldt]

IIRC the stern didn't do too good? Lots of turbulence and the like.

[alpine onyx]

Yeah, their attempts to improve hydrodynamics with some extensions aft were not successful

Which was especially problematic for the 1936As where the increased bouyancy aft meant the bow had all the more reason to go down

Would say they were overall alright in that regard, as long as you don't deviate from certain rules

Like accelerating into the storm being a no-no

[eternal veldt]

Heidkamp though...

Though I'm guessing action against Glowworm is in general, heavy seas

[valid trout]

Heidkamp??

WW1?

[thorn trail]

What does more wet mean?

[kindred reef]

There is a Fw-190 A-5 in the gear lab, and it claimed to be carrier based, but I can find no evidence of this on the internet, and was wondering if anyone has any sources?

[alpine onyx]

Waves prefer to go over the bow instead of under, drenching the forward deck spaces

[spring briar]

12” DP shell

[kindred reef]

not hit unexploded shells with a hammer

[junior trench]

WG fantasy stuff

[kindred reef]

what is wg?

[proud moat]

Wargambling aka developer of world of warships

[frigid karma]

Wargaming

Producer of wows

And thus all pr ships (along with a decent number of shit in the gear lab) is their Ip

[kindred reef]

why not add the A-5/U-14 at that point, sell it as "definitely 100% carrier based"

[proud moat]

Blame Hitler. He didn’t give enough time for KMS to complete plan Z

[kindred reef]

what is plan z?

[proud moat]

German naval expansion plan before ww2, would probably meant a few carriers being completed and Fw-190 actually become carrier based

Albeit with heavy modifications to structure and landing gears

[kindred reef]

why didnt the nazis seem to want carriers?

they were pretty much the meta at the time period

[proud moat]

The navy wanted one

[kindred reef]

why just one?

[proud moat]

But Goring the air force chief was like : I have to control everything that flies

[proud moat]

Wanted CVs in general

[proud moat]

And insufficient time and resources

Cuz resources shifted to produce panzers and fighters to satisfy immediate needs

[kindred reef]

bro i still dont know why hitler thought getting into that war was a good idea

[proud moat]

And, y he thought he could win

[kindred reef]

but tbh i dont think giving an 8 year old a panzerfaust means "were about to win guys trust"

[spring briar]

Plan Z was Raeder’s plan

[remote monolith]

realistically it was never gonna happen the way the Navy wants anyway

steel requirements for it is well in excess of what Germany was capable of producing

and the Army/Air Force were also jostling for their own mass expansion program

[spring briar]

No regard for dockyard cap either

[remote monolith]

basically the entire plan was just an unfeasible venture by overambitious officers built on unrealistic promises

and of course, sustained by unsustainable monetary practices

[kindred reef]

ok i feel like things like that are destined to happen in totalitarian systems

[kindred reef]

cool looking boat is it post war?

[spring briar]

no

it's Dunkerque and Nelson at the 1937 Spithead naval review

[spring briar]

@manic latch

hmmmmge

[cinder escarp]

THE FLEET'S LIT UP

[zealous vine]

How does one mark the line between Dreadnoughts and "Standard" battleships

[eternal veldt]

The "Standard" battleships refers to a series of (super) dreadnoughts that the US Navy built starting from 1912, i.e.: Nevada, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Tennessee, Colorado classes. Per Norman Friedman, they share these characteristics:

With the Nevada class, Battleship 1912, the U.S. Navy developed a basic design that it continued to build to the end of the dreadnought period. Its essentials were oil fuel, "all or nothing" armor, and a compact arrangement of the main battery in four turrets, triple or twin. Even size remained almost constant from the second such design, the Pennsylvania (Battleship 1913) onwards, so that the first major departure was the South Dakota class of FY18, and that was no more than an enlarged version of the earlier designs.

[spring briar]

the Campbell's soup of battleships

[eternal veldt]

The homogeneity of these ships also meant that it is easy to deploy the entire force together as battleship divisions, all with a maximum battle speed of 21 knots, compared to the massive mess of other nations.

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2022/12/28/navy-approves-ch-53k-heavy-lift-helicopter-for-full-rate-production

[patent pelican]

Don't remember where I read it so take it with a grain of salt, but supposedly the Nazis for the most part didn't think the Brits and French would intervene if they divided Poland up with the communists.

[spring briar]

[zealous vine]

Did the kriegsmarine or OKW plan for a ship dedicated to AA

Like De Grasse, or Dido

[spring briar]

they converted some captured ships to floating AA batteries

[zealous vine]

What are their names?

[spring briar]

Niobe (ex-Gelderland)

[zealous vine]

I see.. were there any on the scale of light cruisers? Any obscure designs or written descriptions?

[desert agate]

reminder that Australia has had more aircraft carriers than Germany (0-3/5)

[zealous vine]

Understandable.

[alpine onyx]

The Germans designed a destroyer for escorting/AA purposes

[spring briar]

ayo

Guichen/Chatellerault

[alpine onyx]

Also had a gunnery training ship with a few 105mm twins

Cutie

[spring briar]

Ok so we got this one good DP gun

And turned it into a DD

[manic latch]

Why not another 105mm

[spring briar]

That would make Z-42

[manic latch]

Where another turret

[spring briar]

Originally Izmail was only designed with three

[manic latch]

A mistake ye

Good thing it was fixed

Tho too late

[spring briar]

Izmail vs Normandie

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Lesgo

[manic latch]

Izmail
12 356mm
26.5 knot speed
237mm belt

Normandie has
12 340mm
21 knot speed
300mm belt

[spring briar]

Yes

I don’t see the issue

[alpine onyx]

To use the hull dimensions of the torpedoboats

And not overdo it

Escort DDs have to be relatively cheap

[zealous vine]

Alright, thanks people

[spring briar]

Sirene

You see the k class pics?

[alpine onyx]

Oh in DMs?

Yes, but was half asleep, but forgot to reply

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

One was new to me

The nighttime pic

[spring briar]

Success

[alpine onyx]

With smol 88mm twin

Cute

[spring briar]

Smol

Cute

[alpine onyx]

Smols

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/aqqw6oSiPDw

[delicate beacon]

Next DD in AL

[solid mango]

Okay time to be honest with my self, I fucking love french BB guns in terms of looks

[spiral cedar]

[zealous vine]

[delicate beacon]

Triple turrets always feel asymmetrical to me.

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

China is testing a new canopy in 611 Chengdu Institute. Design is expected to reduce drag and be lighter

[shut wren]

Top says "Chinese rejuvenation is on our shoulders"

[kindred reef]

yeah sounds about right for china

[shut wren]

They gonna strap this new canopy on the J-20 anyways

[tribal mortar]

FW-190, if enter AL

what rarity they would be?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190

[kindred reef]

there is already one in the gear lab, and if they add the FW-190 A-5/U-14, that would likely be SR at least because they could drop their torpedo and serve as a fighter from then on

[tribal mortar]

SR eh.. Okay then..

[kindred reef]

there is already a FW-190 A5 fighter in the gear lab

im grinding for it right now

[tribal mortar]

Good Luck

[kindred reef]

thanks, operation siren is a headache

[delicate beacon]

I question how feasible a FW-190 would be as carrier based plane.

[alpine onyx]

Not very, it wasn't meant to be one in the first place

[kindred reef]

yeah, although if you look at it's landing gear, it would be way easier to land than the Bf-109, which was notoriously hard to land on flat land

[frigid karma]

does anyone know if the great war channel on yt has sources?

[kindred reef]

the german fighters just did not have quite enough range to be carrier based

[frigid karma]

i can't find any source documents

[kindred reef]

?

[frigid karma]

https://www.youtube.com/@TheGreatWarSeries

[kindred reef]

oh

[shut wren]

What about the WW2 one

[kindred reef]

does anyone here watch squire?

[shut wren]

the funny british guy?

[kindred reef]

yes!

[shut wren]

yes i do

I mostly watch his war thunder stuff

[kindred reef]

yeah have you seen the video about the wellingtons?

[shut wren]

never watched it

but i have seen my share of them in game

I just crash my plane into it to take it down

i cant use my cannons

[kindred reef]

what nation do you play?

[shut wren]

Soviet main

im looking to expand my china tree

[kindred reef]

do you play arcade or realistic?

[shut wren]

both

When you get the T-34-85 it feel so relaxing when you can just pop Tiger H1s

those were a pain in 4.0-4.7

[kindred reef]

the T-34 Exterminator can pop tigers with its 57mm

[shut wren]

The STZ?

with that one it takes some aim

but with this one it does not

[kindred reef]

i think the game calls it t-34-57

[shut wren]

which one

[kindred reef]

the one right above the 85mm one

[shut wren]

Also nothing is a problem when you got one of these

[manic latch]

Iron Blood skin on IS-6

Why

[shut wren]

it was the only good one i have

[kindred reef]

you dont need one of those, the KV-2 is the only tank destroyer a soviet main needs

[shut wren]

takes 3 years to reload

[kindred reef]

yeah

[shut wren]

My go to for the air Is the La-5

[kindred reef]

i trained my 3rd crew to put all of the points in reload speed so my KV-2 takes like 39 seconds

[shut wren]

Also Pe-8

[kindred reef]

pe-8 is just such a meme plane

[shut wren]

Its too slow, I like the 85

[shut wren]

1 bomb took out half of the match

[kindred reef]

exactly

pe-8 is the precise definition of skilled gameplay

[shut wren]

Unskilled game play

you fly above the place with alot of tanks

press space button

and done

[kindred reef]

yeah that takes a lot of skill if you ask me

[shut wren]

I can pop KV-1s,Kv-85s and all T-34s with the 85

other than the IS tanks and other t-34-85s

[kindred reef]

i dont know if you already knew this, but the tiger has an unusual weak spot, and i use it all the time

[shut wren]

i do it from the back or sides

[kindred reef]

right of the drivers port is just as weak as the sides, so if one is charging at you or you turn a corner and find a tiger there, try to hit him there first, then if that doesnt get him, go around to the sided to finish him off

[kindred reef]

shooting where the red x is is pretty much a guaranteed driver kill

[shut wren]

I just point and shoot

it just pops

[kindred reef]

yeah

tiger has no sloped armor anywhere lmao

[shut wren]

I can also pop panthers

they were annoying af

[kindred reef]

panthers are hard to kill from the front, but the sides are made of cardboard

[shut wren]

Everything is made of cardboard if you have a big enough gun

As a wise boris once said "If Gun no work, You dont have enough gun"

[kindred reef]

slavic youtube is a treasure of humanity

[shut wren]

If i was in a game with a small tank and i have a big Mf,i just run over the small tank

[kindred reef]

when the soviets put a stupid big gun on a tank, it worked amzingly well, when the germans did it though...

[spring briar]

@kindred reef
Until 1941, german magnetic torps were not temperature adjustable and were therefore not usable in waters outside of the same relative temperature range that they were tested in.
No need to diss in general about what I told you either

Coward

[kindred reef]

i still dont understand why i am a coward

[frigid karma]

presumably going to another channel to whine?

[spring briar]

Yes

But that’s alright

[kindred reef]

so the submarines were ok but it was just the torpedoes that were bad?

[spring briar]

Until 1941 yes

Who said German subs were bad

[kindred reef]

someone a while ago in this channel not sure who

why the shark teeth on the bow? they dont look stable enough to ram anything with

[frigid karma]

buddy

it is never a good idea to ram shit in a submarine

unless you want to die

[delicate beacon]

They're for cutting anti submarine nets IIRC.

[kindred reef]

did any other country have this?

[delicate beacon]

It's on some Dutch subs.

Dunno about others

Not really my expertice

[spring briar]

Archimede used this

Saphir

Doesn’t seem to be a feature on US, British or Russian subs either

[shut wren]

Mainly because It took like 5 soviet tanks To kill one german one so they need bigger guns to lower it

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[shut wren]

bruh

[manic latch]

3000 Black Shermans for 1 Tiger

Cmon Type 055

Don't do this

[frigid karma]

it's been 84 years since i've seen the 1:5 thing come up

84 years

[shut wren]

my bad

[spring briar]

Please consider the amount of tanks killed by infantry

Please for the love of god

[shut wren]

right

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-14978199

sending 3000 now to your location

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

It takes one 76mm shell from a T-34 to blow up a Panzer 4

Not 5

[shut wren]

It took 1 85mm to pop a Tiger In war thunder sooooo

[manic latch]

85mm was designed for tigers so

Makes sense hmm?

Same deal with American 76mm

[shut wren]

No wonder them T-34-85s are so effective

[manic latch]

Or Firefly

[frigid karma]

i swear to allah if you keep quoting war thunder in this channel

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

real life is not a bunch of fucking toy pixels running around in a enclosed map of a few square kilometers with no infantry

[manic latch]

Speaking of

[frigid karma]

things called

logistics

infantry

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cryaboutit-wt-warthunder-r3-cry-gif-21570618

[manic latch]

Both of you guys can speak Chinese

[frigid karma]

and the crew wanting to fucking die because of interlapping road wheels

[maiden citrus]

realistic historical gameplay

[frigid karma]

are real things

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/war-planes-tanks-gravity-broken-gif-26202635

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Tower of Sauron

[frigid karma]

honestly such a shame 2042 flopped because portal looked so fun

does anyone even play portal no

[spring briar]

Nope

[spring briar]

Ayo

[manic latch]

Cute

[manic latch]

Cat ears

[spring briar]

You leave me no choice

[frigid karma]

have you not seen the flying chinese CV

[shut wren]

which one

[spring briar]

I have

[manic latch]

Wonder what pilots were thinking

Enemy being a flying tank

[shut wren]

I saw one of these Cilps but With a H-6k with Type 99s on the wings

[manic latch]

Fujian the cutie

[shut wren]

The Mf Carrier fighters:

[shut wren]

Gib source

[spring briar]

Bilibili

[manic latch]

Read top right corner

[kindred reef]

what is the lore behind this?

[shut wren]

So basically

[spring briar]

Chinese nationalism

[shut wren]

On the Chinese internet, People joke around about how The chinese Military does not have advanced Stuff,Just Modifyed versions of Old stuff

[kindred reef]

that is most armies though

[frigid karma]

not actually a joke but i'd probably get whacked by mods for discussing further

[kindred reef]

look a leopard or t-80

[manic latch]

Abrams, Leclerc, Challenger

Everyone use older tanks

[shut wren]

Cant afford to lose the new stuff

[kindred reef]

but the abrams is best

[manic latch]

She has the most budget ye

[spring briar]

Depends on the version

[manic latch]

K2 Black Panther could be Formidable however

Much younger than Abrams

[shut wren]

Not a big fan of South korean stuff

[manic latch]

Tbh they do get lot of aid from US on technology

[kindred reef]

i know this sounds stupid but that tank kinda also looks like leopard with new turret

[manic latch]

Perhaps

[spring briar]

Pick one

[shut wren]

Early Chinese stuff was basically just Soviet but with a Chinese name

[delicate beacon]

194

Hm but 340 looking sexy too

[spring briar]

305 bro

[delicate beacon]

Hm, short windshield. Must be HE?

[spring briar]

No

Thats the AP cap

They received windscreens in 1921

[thorn trail]

The Tillman "designs" look wack

6 gun turrets

[eternal veldt]

That was quickly changed to 5 x 3 18" because of its unfeasibility

[thorn trail]

Was there any BB design that had 5 or more guns in a turret?

Other than the Tillman

[eternal veldt]

...Agincourt, literally built

Fuso, Ise, Wyomings, all 6 turrets

[ivory ridge]

guns in a turret

not turrets

[maiden citrus]

5 or guns in a turret, no, quads were the most

[eternal veldt]

Fuck, can't read

[thorn trail]

I meant gun in a turret, not number of turrets

[eternal veldt]

No, on top of my head

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-there-is-another-star-wars-jedi-gif-5140031

ok it doesnt really count

but still

[eternal veldt]

Didn't Phoenix call this one fake

eh, fair enough

[maiden citrus]

that yoda gif made me laugh

[ivory ridge]

not fake, it's just from a journal at the time

The original drawing comes from”Warships of the first line of battle” in the “Transactions of the International Engineering Congress” acta, 1916

[eternal veldt]

So about as credible as Lorenzo's revolver turret BB, okay

[ivory ridge]

yeah, and Cassone's Battlecruiser

that wont stop weegee

someday

[junior trench]

Multi chamber naval gun where other chambers can be loaded while the gun is being elevated/depressed/fired

[ivory ridge]

this is from the time italy got stacking turrets design from the US in exchange for triple turret designs

or well

some years later

[eternal veldt]

Might as well toss in the 1934 Maximum BB, honestly

and copy paste Saratoga's funnel on it to make horse happy

[ivory ridge]

i like how he just

bundles up torpedo boats and submarines

then again it's 1916

[maiden citrus]

if it launch torp

it torp boat

[ivory ridge]

Tirpitz is my favourite torp boat

[maiden citrus]

my favorite torpedo boat, the avenger aircraft

[junior trench]

What if

Ground effect Avenger torpedo boat

[eternal veldt]

Odd how DDs arent included there, especially considering their name came from "torpedo boat destroyer"

Scout works, I guess

[chilly osprey]

Destroyers effectively fell between scouts and torpedo boats in that era

Overlapping depending on size and age

It was a confusing time in general

[manic latch]

An arithmetic chip for fighter planes made in China.

[desert agate]

are they trying to pretend they arent decades behind?

[maiden citrus]

interesting

[spring briar]

eats SHS

[shut wren]

We're not.

[ivory ridge]

you're not pretending or you're not decades behind

[maiden citrus]

awe funny spam message is gone

[shut wren]

2 or 3 years behind

[ivory ridge]

[spiral cedar]

What was the deleted message

[maiden citrus]

was a crypto scam dm me for details type thing

[spiral cedar]

Ah

[spring briar]

remember when history was private

[spiral cedar]

Yes

I was younger, then

We all were

[shut wren]

good times

[eager dove]

😢

[eternal veldt]

There is no severe standard drop....yet.

[spring briar]

?

[maiden citrus]

I wish I could get severe standard drops

[spiral cedar]

When you lift a 21 knot AoN BB into the air and drop it from a significant altitude

[eternal veldt]

and that's how Arizona was su-

[spiral cedar]

suplexed

[alpine onyx]

Hmm... Arkansas got close to that

Not lifted or dropped

But hull crushed and sunk within seconds

[thorn trail]

Question: What's the reference of Formidable's skill that time stops enemies? I know Ark Royal's slow is because she jammed the rudder of Bismarck and slowed her down but what's Formi's skill a reference to?

[white lion]

they literally ran eachother out of ammo

[desert agate]

in terms of microprocessors, you are mate and by a hell of a lot more than 2-3 years

[thorn trail]

they do claim to already have 7nm processors, although idk how true this claim is

for now they're only at about 22-14nm iirc

[desert agate]

problem is that silicone microprocessors are exceptionally difficult to manufacture and require a lot of experience

[thorn trail]

iirc they have like the 50nm and older processes for like cars and shit

[desert agate]

last id heard theyd made a highly experimental 8mm processor which was completely unsuited to mass production

[thorn trail]

yeah I think that was the news I read

[desert agate]

chinas got a lot going for it but chips sure as hell arent it

[remote monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/957895213714661376/1015961529071448146/20ED7B45-59FC-41F4-A1E1-1651C99A629D.gif

[humble mulch]

@spring briar I’m sorry but that’s to much dealing with current events and politics

[shut wren]

we crossed the line

whoops

[humble mulch]

You’re free to sent and share it to others but please avoid posting stuff like that here

[spring briar]

ah mb

[humble mulch]

It’s all good

[desert agate]

richy dun goofed

[sullen canyon]

[desert agate]

Troops of the 39th Battalion Australian Milita Forces withdrawing down the Kokoda track after the brutal 5 day Battle of Isurava.

The 39th Battalion was a part of the Militia forces of the Australian army, at the time Australia did not have a professional standing army and instead, in peace time would have a small unprofessional army known as the militia which would parade a handful of times a month for some basic training. In 1939 when war was declared, many of the men of these militias would transfer to the 2nd Australian Imperial Force which would consist of 5, well trained, well equipped divisions. Those rejected from service in the AIF for being either too young, too old or otherwise medically unfit (being flat-footed was a common point of rejection from the AIF) would join the AMF, which legally could not deploy beyond Australian soil.

Men of the AMF were often derided by their fellow Australian and most particularly by the men of the AIF who would call AMF soldiers "Choccos" or "Chocolate Soldiers" because they'd 'melt when the heat was on' among other derogatory comments.

Unfortunately for many of the men of the AMF, Papua New Guinea at the time was an Australian territory and therefore in October 1941 the 39th Battalion was formed in the suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria and by the 27th of December the under-strength and almost entirely untrained battalion was shipped from Sydney to Port Moresby.

The 39th would arrive in Moresby in January alongside the 53rd Battalion, both battalions had earlier in their formations received a group of AIF officers who were combat experienced and could provide valuable knowledge to the troops, the 39th would move these AIF officers into useful frontline positions where they could be best utilised, including their new CO, lt col William Owen, who had survived the battle of Rabaul and fled to mainland New Guinea, and having personally witnessed the Japanese massacres of Australian troops, wanted to give back what he had received at Rabaul.

The 53rd however would place their new AIF officers into supplementary staff officer positions far away from direct interaction with the troops, this would prove a fatal mistake for the 53rd, a unit which had many of its troops quite literally taken from recruitment offices and dragged right onto the ships headed for Moresby and suffered from critically low morale as a result.

The 39th and 53rd would arrive in Moresby in January and would be sent to work digging slit trenches, building fortifications, unloading ships and building accomodation for the troops as well as airfield facilities. For the next 6 months almost no combat training took place whatsoever, as the troops would either avoid air attacks or participate in the aforementioned monotony of making Port Moresby into a proper military base.

In June, in the aftermath of the battle of the Coral Sea and after having witnessed the situation surrounding the Japanese landings at Lae and Salamaua, it was decided to send the 39th up the track to Kokoda to counter a potential overland push to Moresby. This decision would prove to have been prophetic as the Japanese would land on the 21st of July, just a week after the 39th had arrived in Kokoda.

The Japanese had landed in New Guinea after an old encyclopedia was found which mentioned a land route across New Guinea to Moresby, and the Japanese had interpreted this to mean there was a road between Gona and Moresby, and believed that with some combat engineers present they could build a proper paved road across the peninsular to support their advance.

The Kokoda track campaign would from there evolve into some of the most brutal fighting in one of the most inhospitable places on earth with the often outnumbered Australians fighting a brilliant delaying action against the Japanese discussed in my previous writing about the battle of Templetons Crossing outstretching Japanese supplies forcing them to turn back at the gates of Moresby.

[shrewd pecan]

for those of you interested in Dutch defense spending https://twitter.com/stanveuger/status/1608869187895824384?s=46&t=nmNoNP71SHWvh5zpymKieQ

Stan Veuger (@stanveuger)

25 years of Dutch military budgeting, illustrated

Likes

111

Twitter · Dec 30, 2022, 4:54 PM

[spring briar]

it's worse for Belgium

[delicate beacon]

Hey we kinda sorta own a few tanks

[shrewd pecan]

Dutch really is just a mixture of German and English

[delicate beacon]

German is just confusing Dutch

[spring briar]

no

dutch is dutch

[shrewd pecan]

fair

[spring briar]

Rotterdam en Antwerpen grootste europese havens
duitsland weent

[delicate beacon]

And English is just Dutch but nobody understands grammar or pronunciation and they all try to use French and Latin words to sound sophisticated

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[frigid karma]

english is just based off japanese and chinese, look at how many words are similar in both languages

and chinese is older than english

[delicate beacon]

You do realise that those words come from the Dutch as well

[frigid karma]

ah yes, but mandarin is older

thus mandarin is the mother of all languages

[delicate beacon]

I doubt Mandarin of today is the same as yore.

[frigid karma]

(it 100% fucking isn't)

[shrewd pecan]

Anyways since I’m curious after my eventful morning

[ivory ridge]

the end of the cold war also played a big part in this

most western european nations have similar trends

[shrewd pecan]

anyone have anything on how infections or abscess were treated in WW2 and the immediate post war period

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but it’s interesting to just see how big European armies used to be

[tough quail]

the cold war

what a fascinating development that did not take place literally in every army on the planet

(also worth noting that fwiw the dutch frigates are fucking hyperswole)

[tough quail]

okay maybe not in asia i couldnt tell you much about the transition there

[shrewd pecan]

I’m not arguing that the downsizing of western militaries post 1990 was a bad idea or anything

It’s just interesting to look at how big these armies were back in the Cold War

Now that we’re moving towards a period of higher defense budgets and a new potential Cold War kicking off

[tough quail]

the dutch start forming new leo 2s out of the seabed

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the Dutch we’re the ones to essentially rid themselves of a entire capability beyond the Dutch German brigade

[tough quail]

should've given the dutch the ruhr and it's surroundings in compensation for rotterdam

[shrewd pecan]

Give them a new rust belt full of people who don’t want to be Dutch

[tough quail]

too bad, build us cents

[spring briar]

the dutch and belgians are cooperating naval

english

hard

[manic latch]

A-12 took A-6F from me

[shrewd pecan]

A-12 was more navy-defense contractor mismanagement

[tough quail]

give the dutch and belgians the german industrial heartland, let them cooperate with france on some funny tanks and handle the naval/small arms portion respectively

and we can finally have good european exports again

[shrewd pecan]

Regarding F-14D and the other navy programs

idk tomcat made sense during the Cold War

[spring briar]

move all the germans to antarctica?

[tough quail]

yes

let them have their weird south pole base

[shrewd pecan]

she was a excellent navy interceptor she was just big and a maintenance whore that made her unsuitable for post Cold War defense budgets

[manic latch]

Is it really needs to be that heavy

[tough quail]

yes

[kindred reef]

i dont think they want the south pole anymore

[shrewd pecan]

it carried 4-6 missiles the size of small cars

[tough quail]

the F-14 is essentially carrying god's angriest radar at the time

[kindred reef]

yeah the tomcat was pretty op

[tough quail]

and the missiles are as stupid to match

the goal was huge missile truck and boy howdy did they get huge missile truck

[shrewd pecan]

she was just built essentially like a 60s plane while being a 4th gen at the same time

so you can imagine how bad her maintenance requirements were

[spring briar]

Neuschwabenland

[tough quail]

also you needed to basically be a wizard to sit in the backseat

[shrewd pecan]

In war thunder she’s just funny to fly

Phoenix’s are free kills

And AIM-7Fs are gods greatest missile

[manic latch]

Gotta say I'm amazed Iran take care of them still. They don't get any new parts right?

[kindred reef]

i really dont think the germans care about the south pole anymore its kinda chilly

[tough quail]

the kneejerk between the F-14 and the MiG-29 is really really funny

alright giving gods strongest BVR fuck mobile en masse was a mistake

[shrewd pecan]

it’s funny watching MIG-29 pilots climb to space then explode from the F-14s dumping like 12+ phoenix’s at them

[tough quail]

lets flop from that skullfucking literally everyone

[manic latch]

Isn't Mig 25 more of F14 thing?

[kindred reef]

can the mig-29 do the cobra?

[tough quail]

to russians with HMD missiles skullfucking everyone instead

[shrewd pecan]

sorry

HMD can’t compare to F-16 AIM-9L spam

[tough quail]

(they can)

[manic latch]

Yeah Mig 29 was strong in testing

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/8SXXrd-PCJU

[manic latch]

Now F16 ruining

[kindred reef]

the tornado only gets 2 aim 9 missiles

[tough quail]

its just another example of gaijin having the like

worst FOTM balance swings possible

[manic latch]

Can't wait for AIM-9X one day on F15EX

[shrewd pecan]

I ain’t AIM-9Xing on the F-15EX I’m doing Phoenix spam but with AMRAAMs instead

[kindred reef]

is top tier fun for air? it just seems like skilless button mashing

[shrewd pecan]

Depends on who you go with

[manic latch]

AIM-220

[tough quail]

atm its a shitshow

[shrewd pecan]

Tomcats fun since it’s stupid and easy to fly

[manic latch]

Best plane= monkey brain

You press seeker

Seeker go red

Fire

[shrewd pecan]

You have the most fun when you have the dumbest plane tbh

[kindred reef]

so there is no skill?

[manic latch]

Barely

[shrewd pecan]

During my tomcat grind I was getting like 3-4 kill games in the F-4E

[manic latch]

You can learn to get good in F16 in 10 games

Or 5

[spring briar]

I want to go to the south pole to look for meteorites

and to piss on neuschwabenland

[tough quail]

(they're putting the R-73s back in)

[manic latch]

That thing was broken by mechanic too

[shrewd pecan]

god they have to buff it to let it keep pace with the tomcat

[manic latch]

Like it eats flares

Hmm

F18 will come with Su-27?

[shrewd pecan]

F-15 probably

[manic latch]

Ah fuck

Su 33 with F18 then

[kindred reef]

i think they should give a mig-29 to germany

[tough quail]

it was coming with those by default

[shrewd pecan]

gods greatest sparrow truck

[tough quail]

they were just buggy as hell

so now its time to go from getting hit by 13 phoenixes from every direction whenever you peak above the treeline to getting aimbotted by R-73s instead

snail balancing

meanwhile the tornado is just kind of a dilapidated corpse

[shrewd pecan]

I mean I look forward to getting the event one with air to ground radar

[kindred reef]

yeah germany may as well not even get top tier, tornado is better for ground attacking, but it only gets 2 missiles

[shrewd pecan]

I only really want it for squadron battles

Beyond that I’m just skipping the ADF F-16 for the standard A

Since I want a ground pounder

[shut wren]

Still waiting for world war season 4

[shrewd pecan]

gods worse game mode

[ivory ridge]

the tornado should've been the first "4th gen" jet released, months before the F-14 and probably at the same time they added the F-104ASA and the A-10, which is when they added the AIM-9Ls to the game

[kindred reef]

yeah rip raf and luftwaffe

[ivory ridge]

and now should've been the time they released the Tornado ADV for Britain and Italy and the mig-29 for germany

[tough quail]

instead, uh

[ivory ridge]

which is gonna happen in around 3 months

[tough quail]

just fuck yourself

i guess

[shrewd pecan]

I feel like aircraft like the tornado would do far better if they made EC matches into a actual game mode and not the worse maps you can get for air rb

[ivory ridge]

I mean in the end Italy somehow got its best air update ever thanks to the USA mains bitching

because them getting the F-16ADV gave us the ADV as well

[kindred reef]

so germany is getting fulcrum???

[shrewd pecan]

Probably in the future

[tough quail]

eventually

[shut wren]

Unpopular opinion:J-10 for china

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048804977369432074/1057482052955549756/ezgif-5-a7fbeb6145.gif

[shrewd pecan]

nah that’s gonna be a bit away

[ivory ridge]

yeah they said next patch who got the tornado will get an actual fighter

[kindred reef]

i will probably still not have a jet by the time it releases

[shrewd pecan]

There’s a reason why they gave China a MLU F-16

[ivory ridge]

so most likely Tornado ADV F3 for britain and mig-29 for germany

[tough quail]

i could grind up with ol froggo but i cant be fucked rn

[ivory ridge]

and hopefully the tornado adv for italy as well

[shut wren]

The PRC side got an another j7

[kindred reef]

the tornado marineflieger gets aim 9 missiles right?

[shrewd pecan]

F-16s basically just padding for when they can add the Taiwanese block 50s, J-10 and Su-27

[manic latch]

J10

[shrewd pecan]

Nice thing about the MLU is that it will also get AMRAAMs once those come to the game

[shut wren]

The f-16 should have been paired with the J-15 or 16

[manic latch]

Su 27 or J11?

[shrewd pecan]

Probably Su-27

[manic latch]

makes su 27 prem

[shrewd pecan]

The J-15 literally has a AESA

[ivory ridge]

the taiwanese F-16 is funnily enough the best F-16 ingame

[shrewd pecan]

And is from 2013

[manic latch]

Too early for J15

[shrewd pecan]

Hell no

[manic latch]

J-11 is your closest bet

[kindred reef]

when will they add another su-57?

[manic latch]

We don't even have Su-30

[shut wren]

You add one 5th gen you gotta add all of em

[shrewd pecan]

honestly I think chinas first gonna get their Su-27s

[shut wren]

J-20,F-22 and 35s for all the countries that have them

[tough quail]

i assume the joke is the 30 million weird ww2 su-57s

[manic latch]

Yeah the American lend lease truck is Su-57

[shrewd pecan]

J-11 has some crap that I don’t think will make it addable for a bit

[kindred reef]

su-30 looks so close to mig-29

[ivory ridge]

because it's the only one of the 5 that can use both the AIM-7 and the Mavericks, while the American F-16 block 10 and the Israeli F-16 cant use aim-7 and the american and italian ADV cant use mavericks

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

Chinese naval tree when?

[ivory ridge]

Not at the same time because it's the same pylon

[tough quail]

also honestly more aesthetic than it has any right to be

[ivory ridge]

but you have the option

[ivory ridge]

lol

lmao

rofl even

[manic latch]

After France

[shrewd pecan]

the fuck would even be in it

[kindred reef]

we will get french navy in warthunder soon, idk about china

[shut wren]

Put some of the WW2 ships in it

[shrewd pecan]

lend lease destroyers

[tough quail]

they uh

have like five

[ivory ridge]

ah yes let me grind a tree that ends with

1920s CLs

[manic latch]

China naval doesn't have any voicelines. So you will have uhhh at least 3 years

[ivory ridge]

instead of 7.0 BBs

[shrewd pecan]

like that shit would just be copy paste

[manic latch]

Uuuh

[shrewd pecan]

unless gaijin adds modern ships

[tough quail]

even if you add the loan ships there's still almost nothing

[shut wren]

We have 60s ships too

[kindred reef]

they should add the hamburg class of destroyers

[shut wren]

1960d

[manic latch]

Can't they pull an Israel?

[shrewd pecan]

Hamburg literally has Exocets

[tough quail]

its just coastal garbo, some glorified destroyers, and a few loan gnevny's and fletchers

[manic latch]

Nah late versions

Add the torpedo version

Early ones

[kindred reef]

problem?

[manic latch]

...

[shrewd pecan]

yeah dominate the entirety of naval

[tough quail]

mr gorbachev put the wall back up

[kindred reef]

yeah that is likely what they would do

[shut wren]

He’s dead

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

we can bring his skeleton

[shut wren]

Let me dig his bones up real quick

[manic latch]

Khrushchev build the wall tho

Bring him back

[shut wren]

It was the local government

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

grabbing gorby to build the wall

kek

[tough quail]

berlin buried in corn for the hubris of trying to get exocets in WT naval

[ivory ridge]

for some reason the server for italian WT suggestions ripped an AD from brazilian defense sites so now i have a gif with a 5 fps Centauro II with portuguese text on it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684722676371423267/1040024036866003034/IMG_1445.gif

[shrewd pecan]

We literally just got the first ASMs in air rb

[ivory ridge]

maybe 5fps is an overstatement

[tough quail]

the low FPS is bizarrely aesthetic

[shrewd pecan]

and naval isn’t at all ready for it

[tough quail]

spice up french naval by adding rafales with exocets

[manic latch]

Me loading movie graphics

[shut wren]

I like chilling with the Chinese players in SA

[ivory ridge]

Gaijin on its way to ignore the entire MB-xxx series of planes for Italy and jump straight from the F-84 to the Tornado

[manic latch]

What would be the strongest Anti ship for planes. Ignore the ones after 2000

[tough quail]

COME HERE SCHARNHORST

[shut wren]

Did we ever had J-6s

[shrewd pecan]

Either harpoon since you have the aircraft that can spam it

[manic latch]

Imagine what BR planes Yamato will face

[shrewd pecan]

Or the Su-27 with like the single Soviet hyper missiles

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H-6K with the big missile

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS.34_Kormoran

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Do they have good pen?

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yes

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Since BBs should be around

Hmm

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tho naval models are hit or miss in air rb

I don’t think a cruiser is going to survive two GBU-8s to the deck with minimal damage for example

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Like Harpoons will either make BBs laugh or just fuck them without any counter

[shut wren]

Get a dive bomber

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gaijin keeps trying to use the more advanced damage models for air rb ground/sea targets

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frogge bote in WT when

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And it sucks

since a AA truck for no reason will eat the entirety of your rockets to kill

And tanks are borderline unkillable with the advanced models in air rb

[shut wren]

Use MGs and cannons

For the AA

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yeah my 30 MM GAU-8 can’t even kill the thing reliably

[shut wren]

Use the 2000 pound bombs

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since they decided using ground rb damage model for AI vehicles in air rb was a good idea

[tough quail]

goofy ass su-33 moskit go

[shut wren]

Suicidal drones when

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gaijin pls

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Mig 29K will likely come before Su-33

Mig 29K should come after Yak-38M

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well yeah of course

its just the dumbest russian air to surface thing i can think of

[shut wren]

J-10 after J-7 when they decide to

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Tho.. Yak-141

Hmm

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Also H-6 when

H-6k when

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We dont have Tu-16

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I doubt the MIG-29K would come first

Purely from the fact it’s radar is stupid

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Fack

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when compared to the Su-33

[tough quail]

actually good question

how long do you think itll be before we start getting dumb prototype planes

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Su-47

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probably by 2024

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I can’t imagine them skipping crap like the F-16XL

[shut wren]

J-6 and 7 drones

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Yak 141, Su-47, Mig 1.44

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only thing YAK-141 would have going for it

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frens

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Is VTOL flight characteristics

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Beyond that it’s just gonna be trash

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And sexy

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yeah only 4 missiles

[tough quail]

i'd kill to get to play this thing in like, anything

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Ok make it harrier BR

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Kremlin

[tough quail]

they're so aesthetic

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you know it would be fighting

[shut wren]

Twin seat 5th gens when

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F-100s

And other crap

While having R-73s

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At that BR

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So she is a Maus

Too good at low

Too bad at high

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I mean the top tier Brit harrier does well but that’s because it has a stupid guidance pod

YAK-141 only really has VTOL flight models going for it

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6 LGBs

so lol

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Ayay

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Bottom one looks like j-20 or f-22

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also lmao the fucking

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....

[shut wren]

I can’t tell the difference

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squadron sea harrier

10.7

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Type 55

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4 AIM-9Ls

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How do you not recognize J-20

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the fucking ASA is still 11.3

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Just wait until we have harriers with AMRAAMs

[shut wren]

I can

Just not very well

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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AromaticSameChipmunk-size_restricted.gif

Italy can get them as well so

[shut wren]

They look the exact same, other than the J-20 has a twin seat version

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...

F22 has canards?

[shut wren]

Oh wait they don’t

I knew that it looked familiar

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Ok someone has to tell me how to avoid this discord server going to it's home screen every time I go to another server

It's driving me nuts

I'm only here for this one channel

[shut wren]

Just press another server and close the app

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somehow this is the only server with an home channel that doesnt do that to me

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Huh

Yeah I'm not having that luck

Any time I check this server it puts me on the home page

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This moment lives rent free in my head

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https://news.usni.org/2022/12/29/f-35b-upgrades-near-completion-aboard-japanese-warship-kaga

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Philadelphia Navy Yard, Pennsylvania. Old battleships in the Reserve basin at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, 22 October 1919. Ships in the front row are, from left to right: Iowa (BB-4); Massachusetts (BB-2); Indiana (BB-1); Kearsarge (BB-5); Kentucky (BB-6); and Maine (BB-10). U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph # NH 92300.```

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beauties

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good stuff

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Ah, Breyer