I don't think we're turning back to
#history
chilly osprey
Short of some catastrophy kicking the population down massively, yeah
manic latch
Things were easiest in 1960s? 70s?
ivory ridge
also talking about that teaser, did you see this in the latest one
shrewd pecan
idk people aren't having like 6+ children unless either they have to out of necessity or it just becomes that easy to have 6+ children
chilly osprey
Things were easiest in 1960s? 70s?
Not easier, more just the norm in developing societies
manic latch
Hmm
shrewd pecan
one of the main constrants to having children in the West and much of Asia is the financial burden
combined with having to actually take care of said kids
chilly osprey
Child mortality rates were a lot higher (hence you have more kids overall to deal with the attrition), access to contraception a lot less, and for much of the population, children would ultimately be a way of getting more income - more hands to work, after all.
Which is not really the case in developed countries
Kids are a drain on your finances now, much more than they were in the past.
tough quail
sheer volume of them tbh
chilly osprey
Because 7th fleet
kindred reef
idk but remember that one time with leipzig
tough quail
or that
i figured it was just a matter of statistics with there being shitloads of burkes compared to other DDGs
chilly osprey
Very congested sea lanes, and 7th Fleet's Burke - or, more specifically, their crews - were overworked
tough quail
also talking about that teaser, did you see this in the latest one
watched it, thats rad as hell
manic latch
Very congested sea lanes, and 7th Fleet's Burke - or, more specifically, their c...
Oof
ivory ridge
Tornado more like TornaDOA 
chilly osprey
Which inevitably creates more room for mistakes, and mistakes at sea are costly
manic latch
~~Tornado more like TornaDOA <:Sadge:757500586777116752>~~
But it can reverse thrust
tough quail
ive never seen something jerk off an F-16 so spectacularly
shrewd pecan
I mean it got me to not only buy a top tier premium plane
but also to grind the entire naval line
ivory ridge
Tfw China gets the best F-16 in the game
chilly osprey
manic latch
China will grow larger
manic latch
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/navy-league/2019/05/05/heres-ho...
Oh wow
shrewd pecan
I look forward to grinding the entire bomber line for the eventual F-111
ivory ridge
And Italy will get its F-16 next patch 
tough quail
im uh
shrewd pecan
watch Italy get AMRAAMs
manic latch
but also to grind the entire naval line
For what. Alaska?
tough quail
genuinely surprised
kindred reef
poor germany just gets navy tornado
shrewd pecan
For what. Alaska?
air line
ivory ridge
genuinely surprised
Naval planes
shrewd pecan
F-14A
manic latch
Oh
tough quail
that they were smart enough to NOT implement the HMD missile for the mig-29
shrewd pecan
I have three more aircraft to grind
tough quail
snail actually not having a stroke for oncwe
chilly osprey
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/navy-league/2019/05/05/heres-ho...
A: If you go back to the reports in the wake of the accidents, one of the things that stands out was that ships were not getting the training and certification needed, and the maintenance they needed was getting shorted. And the reason was operations. So we don’t do that anymore. We recognize we have to do a certain level of training and certification; you have to do a certain level of maintenance to be long-term sustainable. That is what we are doing now.```like yeah its cool
but it also makes the thing god king of the fucking world
lets maybe not yet
manic latch
```Q: There was concern after the accidents that the demands on your ships were ...
Wouldn't expect this from US
chilly osprey
7th Fleet has shifted to a model more similar to other fleets and that has helped a lot
manic latch
but it also makes the thing god king of the fucking world
Wait till they add F-15 and Su-27 together
chilly osprey
Wouldn't expect this from US
Sort of the inevitable result of the drawdowns post-war and the failure to pursue a frigate program to replace the OHPs (thanks Rumsfeld).
The USN was able to preserve their high-end assets, but that also meant it had to use those ships for mundane tasks, which wears on ships and crews. And 7th fleet is constantly busy.
spring briar
poor germany just gets navy tornado
Boohoo poow gwemwany onwy got a wittle townado
manic latch
Sort of the inevitable result of the drawdowns post-war and the failure to pursu...
Phon should write a book
shrewd pecan
navy got the hard end of the stick during the 90s man
chilly osprey
Someday. Albeit not on this subject lol. I am no SME, and there are plenty of SME's for this topic to tackle that job.
manic latch
manic latch
navy got the hard end of the stick during the 90s man
F-22 cv variant 
manic latch
A what
shrewd pecan
A-12
the attacker that ate the entire naval aviation development budget for the decade
shrewd pecan
because the navy couldn't develop a multirole fifth gen instead
ivory ridge
F-22 cv variant <a:cryingjesusholy:1007259909584335018>
i will never not post this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/1027436044305575976/1657113371452.mp4
shrewd pecan
👁️ I swear they would of been better off with essentially a fifth gen super hornet with actually good engines
manic latch
i will never not post this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/51558362408340...
Super tomcat: Take it or leave
ivory ridge
it's Tuesday somewhere so i can post this right
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/1034971701051674794/TORNADO_TUESDAY_1.mp4
manic latch
The United States Navy began the Advanced Tactical Aircraft (ATA) program in 1983. The program was to develop and field a replacement for the A-6 Intruder by 1994. Stealth technology developed for the United States Air Force would be used heavily in the program.
manic latch
The United States Navy began the Advanced Tactical Aircraft (ATA) program in 198...
Psst Tato
When did US began its obsession with Stealth
Like what make them to one day "you know we should go stealth designs now"
manic latch
Plane talk
spring briar
ivory ridge
poor germany just gets navy tornado
they get the normal IDS as wel... the naval tornado is an event vehicle
they are the only nation to get 2 Rank 8s
"poor germany"
shrewd pecan
When did US began its obsession with Stealth
it dates back to the 50s
in which the CIA and AIrforce experimented with reducing the RCS of the U-2 and other aircraft
with the SR-71 and other aircraft being designed with stealth in mind as well
ivory ridge
I have three more aircraft to grind
never played planes so i have to start from nearly zero 
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
shrewd pecan
it wouldn't be a proper update if Italy didn't get something stupid
god I do not want to grind attackers
ivory ridge
it wouldn't be a proper update if Italy didn't get something stupid
in the last 3 updates
italy got
2 meme trucks and a premium
that's it for ground
the last serious non premium ground vehicle we got
was in June
with the Proto Freccia
shrewd pecan
it really be top tier air when you can get three kill game with only 1 wing
👁️ and now I must play a A-10 game because gaijin decide to have my F-4E randomly rip itself apart
tough quail
obligatory A-10 bad post
shrewd pecan
no its funny
A-5s will try to dive on you
fail to kill you
then you just AIM-9L them
shrewd pecan
like
keyboard flying while your just watching your ass constantly
you can just dodge anyone who tries to dive on you
get behind them because they will out speed you no matter what
and AIM-9L them
its funny
tough quail
when the stupid ground pound trucks also have all aspect fuck missiles
die instantly
shrewd pecan
👁️ you might be able to out climb the A-10 but you ain't outclimbing the AIM-9L
tough quail
tough quail
well the tanks werent very interesting
BEHOLD IT'S
another t-80U with a fake designation
which is weird for gaijin to get wrong given they're actually russian
spring briar
Oh from the new WT event
shrewd pecan
o hey the tank the Ukrainians blew up
ivory ridge
that's not even part of the patch it's an event vehicle
ivory ridge
i think the only MBT released with the patch it's uhhh
the british premium with a different engine
and china gets another top tier i think?
US gets a premium stryker
shrewd pecan
which one?
tough quail
tfw no dumbass hellfire stryker
ivory ridge
it's literally the same stryker but with the garbage ammo, at 9.7
ivory ridge
it's like the Leo2a4 and challenger
same to the TT variant
but from a specific battallion
M1128 Wolfpack
also you can remove the cope cage from the TT stryker
and this one doesnt have them at all i think
shrewd pecan
I really
just want a godforsaken American light tank
that's in the tree
is not the HSTV-L
and is not the MGS
shrewd pecan
🤨 they added the XM8 with the completely wrong ammo as a event vehicle
and now I have to wait for the Griffin to be added
ivory ridge
Centauro 2 waiting room
my beloved
(no i dont use this lineup, usually it's just the 9.0 and below ones or the 120 with the Arietes)
spring briar
Centauro #1 simp
junior trench
another t-80U with a fake designation
they're real, just... absurdly rare, and don't exist anymore
due to
[redacted]
ivory ridge
Centauro #1 simp
yes 
If they ever add the Centauro to WoT i will start playing that game just for it
spring briar
shrewd pecan
I swear its gonna end up having the stupid limited turret transverse they keep smacking tank destroyers with if it ever shows up to WOT
ivory ridge
tough quail
they're real, just... absurdly rare, and don't exist anymore
the designation is fake
it's just a T-80 with drozd slapped on
not some hyper niche official variant
junior trench
honestly I forgot they even added that one
tough quail
ghetto hard kill is mildly interesting i guess
ivory ridge
both vehicles that are usually called T-80UM2 are not actually called that
this one is literally just called T-80U with Drozd
the other is the black eagle
which officially cant have a T series classification
because soviet tanks dont receive one until they are actually... yknow
done
shrewd pecan
I have a feeling black eagle is just gonna be another one of those vehicles that ends up getting overhyped to shit
ivory ridge
it's also a mockup so unlikely for now
shrewd pecan
yeah
ivory ridge
meh at the rate they add MBTs it' whatever
they still have the t90M
and a bunch of barely upgraded late 2010s or 2022 variants of the ones ingame they can slap on top
T-62MV Obr.2022 anyone?
tough quail
unironically can we get the hyper ultra rebuilt t-54 with a t-72 turret
delicate beacon
ivory ridge
tough quail
ye
spring briar
Tonk
spring briar
subtle prawn
De Grasse dressed overall during the late 1950s. (Courtesy of Robert Dumas)
subtle prawn
(Quick question, do you know any books about either De Grasse or Colbert where I don’t have to take up French classes again?)
chilly osprey
Jordan & Moulin's French Cruisers 1922-1956 cover them briefly
subtle prawn
That’s the book I’m using and there’s not as much info about them I would have liked
spring briar
Most other books on them are in French
But I could give you a link to a forum online that you can just use auto translate on
subtle prawn
Go for it
spring briar
French workers were able to delay the carrier conversion of de grasse so much that by 1945 nothing concrete was done
subtle prawn
kindred reef
https://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9526-croiseur-colbert-1953-termine
okay i dont like france but that ship is beautiful
spring briar
Why don’t you like france
kindred reef
they talk funny
also they think they are better than everyone else while the opposite is true
spring briar
Do we though?
kindred reef
yeah
spring briar
Not really
kindred reef
source?
kindred reef
source 1: they do talk funny just listen to them
kindred reef
It’s another language
no i mean when they speak english
but their language does sound silly and whimsical
spring briar
Yeah foreign speakers tend to have a little bit of an accent
Like you’re american right?
kindred reef
yes
delicate beacon
I've yet to see any accent worse than Dutch.
spring briar
You think you could speak german without an accent?
Or without sounding a bit funny to actual germans
delicate beacon
Can Americans even speak German.. or English for that matter 
I do bully Germans with my broken German frequently.
kindred reef
You think you could speak german without an accent?
my german teacher in high school would sometimes speak german in a southern american accent
delicate beacon
But wan man ja nach dem zetst zet dan ist alles Deutch ja!
kindred reef
but yeah i could try
spring briar
That sounds pretty funny to me but I don’t see why it’s a reason to dislike the country
Now what is the source of your second point then
kindred reef
i guess france is a cool country but the problem is the people
spring briar
That’s a thing I hear many americans say
kindred reef
Now what is the source of your second point then
have you ever heard a french person say something good about any other country
delicate beacon
Yeah
kindred reef
source?
delicate beacon
Personal experience. Been to France.
spring briar
Yet I have barely heard an american say anything good about other countries
Well
Except germany I suppose in your case
delicate beacon
Oh no, Americans have plenty of good things to say about the Netherlands and... *checks notes* their drug policies.
spring briar
Right
spring briar
Typical
kindred reef
but i have no money and am in university
delicate beacon
Most Americans have no idea about the world outside so they dont even have an opinion on the countries they dont know.
spring briar
Why do you want to go to germany
kindred reef
i like the architecture and the culture
spring briar
kindred reef
food is good too
spring briar
What culture exactly
delicate beacon
Hamburgers and Schnitzels 
spring briar
Oktoberfest lederhosen and mountain houses
kindred reef
What culture exactly
the culture of the southern states but definitley not berlin
spring briar
kindred reef
also the french took the rhineland and suck at wars
spring briar
Indoctrinated
kindred reef
Indoctrinated
have you seen the char b1, it could kill any german tank, yet they were not used to their potential
spring briar
Also if we suck at wars why did we take the rhineland
delicate beacon
Are you aiming for all the checklist bullets?
spring briar
kindred reef
Also if we suck at wars why did we take the rhineland
because the allies let you have it
delicate beacon
The allies being...
valid trout
why are people just arguing about the french ;-;
delicate beacon
France
kindred reef
Textbook american wehrb
i will talk about how much of a joke germany was in ww2 if you like
spring briar
why are people just arguing about the french ;-;
Trying to make this man realise he’s been indoctrinated
valid trout
oh ok
kindred reef
The allies being...
america and commonwealth
delicate beacon
America was hardly a WW1 ally. France was the biggest powerhouse with a good help from the Commonwealth.
kindred reef
America was hardly a WW1 ally. France was the biggest powerhouse with a good hel...
a lot of us died over there so idk what we were doing if not helping
spring briar
You are saying as if france didnt do anything
Lol
While they carried their balls off
subtle prawn
A lot more French people died fighting than Americans
kindred reef
ww1 was the one war where france was actually good
delicate beacon
The one?
kindred reef
the french lost some others
delicate beacon
The French has the best winrate in wars.
kindred reef
The French has the best winrate in wars.
how?
spring briar
the french lost some others
delicate beacon
Crimean, Napoleonic wars...
spring briar
kindred reef
well france has been around longer than most countries so it makes sense
i did not expect america in number 3 spot
spring briar
Wars of austrian succession
War of american independence
Italian wars
Austro french wars
100 years war
Crimea war
Ww1
Polish soviet war
War against the moors
delicate beacon
America is quite belligerent.
kindred reef
America is quite belligerent.
too belligerent
spring briar
well france has been around longer than most countries so it makes sense
How is this an argument
kindred reef
How is this an argument
the more battles that you fight, the more battles that you have an opportunity to win
maiden citrus
what is this about wanting to move to germany for culture and food
delicate beacon
Netherlands, China, Japan, Denmark, Sweden, Poland-Lithuania, Austria, Portugal...
spring briar
the more battles that you fight, the more battles that you have an opportunity t...
Same goes for England and Russia
And all those sang listed
kindred reef
i honestly dont know how england isnt number one, they owned half of the world at one point
ivory ridge
spring briar
Well
ivory ridge
maiden citrus
https://twitter.com/nasainsight/status/1604955574659035136
nooooo
spring briar
i honestly dont know how england isnt number one, they owned half of the world a...
England did not fight in an awful lot of European wars from 1760 onwards
kindred reef
i see
delicate beacon
England did not fight in an awful lot of European wars from 1760 onwards
Only when France was winning they joined 
delicate beacon
I hope we somewhat were able to convince you that france is not bad at war
Nah, Ardenne funny go brrrt
maiden citrus
france is one of the countries we should be the most friendly to
spring briar
But I mostly hope you learn from this for all other countries too
kindred reef
yeah i guess in america we learn mostly about ww2 and onward
maiden citrus
we do learn quite a bit of world history but the bulk of it is before our own history or effects it, which makes sense, you have to condense it somehow
kindred reef
America doesn't teach a lot of world history.
yeah and they never teach about the allied bombings of civilians in ww2 or the massacres in vietnam
kindred reef
wasnt there a french boat with american guns on it?
maiden citrus
plenty
kindred reef
why didnt the french use their own guns
maiden citrus
the la galliomimuses enter their ultimate state with bofors
maiden citrus
why didnt the french use their own guns
the bofors is the best aa gun of the time by a decent margin, it makes sense that if you can get it, you should use it
main guns were french designs
kindred reef
did the germans ever capture the french navy?
spring briar
No
delicate beacon
No.
subtle prawn
They tried, but failed
valid trout
the French navy scuttled themselves
delicate beacon
They did have some of it at arms length but the navy could scuttle themselves at any point.
spring briar
They captured the ports and some smaller ships but the majority of large warships served in the FFNF or were scuttled in toulon
kindred reef
better to scuttle them than to let the nazis have them
maiden citrus
free france le pog
yes, as many french ships were better than anything germany would've had access to
kindred reef
yeah german ships were very slow
maiden citrus
it was more they had superior characteristics in a general sense
kindred reef
i feel like the german command ignored their navy in ww2
maiden citrus
for example the la galliomimus aren't particularly fast either at 31 knots, but they are good ships with nice characteristics and capabilities for their weight and size
subtle prawn
We got a lot of AA from the US
Hold up, I thought that John Jordan’s book said that the Americans denied them of quad Bofors on their older heavy cruisers so the British/Canadians gave them single Bofors instead
spring briar
Hold up, I thought that John Jordan’s book said that the Americans denied them o...
That doesn’t mean we didn’t get a lot of aa from the us
Richie is riddled in quad bofors
maiden citrus
they can be seen here sticking up in the air on the turret and superstructure
kindred reef
didnt the french try to put 4 cannons in one turret?
maiden citrus
they were one of the few navies to consider/use quad turrets yeah
subtle prawn
They’re more two twin turrets in a single turret
spring briar
valid trout
didnt the french try to put 4 cannons in one turret?
and they succeeded with the Richie, JB, dunker, stras yeh
maiden citrus
that's the best way to do quads generally
spring briar
Normandie class in AL
kindred reef
why didnt anyone else do that
subtle prawn
The NC-class would have used quads had they not upgunned to 406mm
spring briar
The british did
maiden citrus
they weren't perfected till post war but that was more due to doctrine and tiny adjustments
spring briar
With the KGV
maiden citrus
there are many factors, such as how wide barbettes have to be in your hull, weight distribution, etc, it's not strictly better nor worse on its own
(the same can be said for twin vs triple, twins had some advantages)
spiral cedar
why didnt anyone else do that
UK did, US would have but when they got the chance to use triples of higher caliber they preferred it instead, German quads would have been too big to work because of German turret design, Italy I forgot
maiden citrus
lyon class pr
kindred reef
okay so i have always wondered what are the advantages of having a rounded stern like many american ships vs a flat stern like some of the german ships?
subtle prawn
But they’ve never done PR of any ships below T8
maiden citrus
hydrodynamics and hull shapes are a very complicated topic, but it's very much a design set of characteristics that give and take on each other
can effect things like gas mileage vs top speed, turning capability, ability to use equipment off the back of the ship
kindred reef
how many mm were the guns in the quad french turret
spring briar
380mm
maiden citrus
380ish
spring briar
14.96”
kindred reef
thats almost as big as the hood guns
spiral cedar
One was 330, the other 380
maiden citrus
it's about the same size as hood's guns, and bismarcks
15'' was very popular in european navies
spring briar
spiral cedar
Italy and Britain did 381, France and Germany 380
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
At the same time, the guns themselves varied in length
spring briar
But the senate enforced the use of 340’s
Which, granted, were very good and reliable guns
spiral cedar
At the same time, the guns themselves varied in length
UK 42, FR 45, GER 48.4, IT 50 (calibers)
delicate beacon
F r e n
maiden citrus
spring briar
spiral cedar
kindred reef
does france have any ships left from ww2?
delicate beacon
Colbert 
delicate beacon
Ha, we have Island meme still floating
delicate beacon
Even the Germans have a Uboot in the US
spring briar
delicate beacon
Schorpioen?
kindred reef
Even the Germans have a Uboot ~~in the US~~
i thought every u boat sank?
spring briar
Ramschip met koepelgeschut
delicate beacon
Cheat.
desert agate
Abraham Crijnsen is however
delicate beacon
Oh hey, you sober now?
spring briar
delicate beacon
Blessed be the Dutch 
desert agate
Don't want AA crews getting lazy afterall
kindred reef
ok my wifi was out im back
subtle prawn
Quick question Richie; what do you think of the fact the French considered ordering destroyers from the Americans?
maiden citrus
that sounds fun
spring briar
Quick question Richie; what do you think of the fact the French considered order...
That France knew where to get quality
kindred reef
france makes good naval guns though
spring briar
Yes, but they wanted a homogeneous class of multi role (torpilleurs d’escadre) dd’s
And the US DD’s fulfilled that
spring briar
France had two types of DD’s
subtle prawn
The contre torpilleurs are the big DDs (I.e. Mogador, Le Fantasque, etc.)
spring briar
Contre torpilleurs (counter destroyers)
And Torpilleurs d’escadre for multi role and fleet escort alongside the battleships
kindred reef
Contre torpilleurs (counter destroyers)
And Torpilleurs d’escadre for multi role...
the bottom one sounds kind of like what a frigate is supposed to do
subtle prawn
The T 47 and T 53 types were the latter, is that right?
spring briar
Yes
subtle prawn
What defines a frigate and destroyer these days is the role
kindred reef
What defines a frigate and destroyer these days is the role
i thought it was based on size or caliber or something
subtle prawn
General rule of thumb is frigate = ASW and destroyer = AAW
spiral cedar
Modern definitions aren't historical ones
spiral cedar
dies a lot
kindred reef
that looks pretty advanced
subtle prawn
Makes sense, a post-WW2 AA gun
kindred reef
is it a light cruiser?
subtle prawn
A destroyer
kindred reef
the hamburg class looks way better though
ivory ridge
free bird playing
tough quail
blessed fromch antiair
junior trench
Yes, but they wanted a homogeneous class of multi role (torpilleurs d’escadre) d...
What class were they looking at again?
Gleaves class sticks out in my mind for some reason
subtle prawn
It is
junior trench
I can't figure out where and how I was aware of that lol
But the Benson-Gleaves class is based
tough quail
subtle prawn
French Destroyers by John Jordan and Jean Moulin
maiden citrus
french bensons
subtle prawn
Surprised they haven’t used that as an excuse to give the French a Gleaves-class Premium in WoWS yet
junior trench
Would be kind of funny if they also kludged it to use French 130s in modded 5"/38 mounts
Just to make it properly unique
or more likely they'd do something utterly cursed and give it 138s
subtle prawn
kindred reef
ok guys who would win
spiral cedar
kindred reef
@spring briar a question, when the french navy comes to warthunder, what will we see for torpedo boats and gunboats and such?
kindred reef
thats epic
unborn wyvern
Winner vs Ottawa von Bismarck
tough quail
nobody gives a shit about your no name ferry leafs
silver crest
https://tenor.com/view/le-fishe-au-chocolat-chocolate-gif-25868863
what the fuck
pseudo basalt
what the fuck
Your dinner.
manic latch
What up with Canadians usually buying most of their ships from outside then complaining about their quality
pseudo basalt
Canada and procurement don't mix.
alpine onyx
I just wish navweaps would give me realistic pen tables
What, are you telling me Nelson doesn't have belt pen equal to Iowa when hitting- checks note at lower velocities with a lighter shell at worse impact angles?
manic latch
manic latch
Gaijin moment
shrewd pecan
sparrow F-16 first
I still have to grind the F-14 to get the F-16s
👁️ tho plenty of new premium aircraft players to bully
damn
ADF doesn't have air to ground
its purely air to air
ok
shame
THO WE GET AIM-7Ms
valid trout
What game
shrewd pecan
war thunder
valid trout
Ah ok
eternal veldt
oof, all 18 Pumas broke down after exercises 
shrewd pecan
it took them until this year to realize 100 rounds pure day is not a viable limit for the PZH-2000s autoloader
unsurprising
I can only hope the Germans will learn their lessons and unfuck their procurement for the EMBT
tho we all know that's not going to happen
manic latch
oof, all 18 Pumas broke down after exercises <:MurmWat:839635014256951296>
Fire issues irrc?
Naval F-117 
spiral cedar
what 2 ships are these?
Resolution and Formidable
valid trout
Resolution and Formidable
thanks
solid mango
Revenge class right? 
ivory ridge
<@194852183097737218> Italy is winning
I saw the model leaked before going to bed but i didnt think they would add it
Lol
sleek folio
which other battles there's between French and Royal navy during ww2 aside from Attack on Mers-el-Kébir
tepid mulch
So
I was reading on the very first transaction between the US and China
Thankfully the entire thing was recorded on paper and survived
A lot of satin breeches were bought
Rec'd at Canton October 9th of F. Molineux for Acc't of Capt. Green ten Dollars being in part of a Contract for several ombrellas.
Rec'd: Received
Acc't: Account
`Rec'd at Canton November 13th, 1784 of F. Molineux twenty six Tael,
three mace, five candereen, being thirty five Dollars & One Mace, the Am't in full for an Invosee Box of Lacquered Ware for Capt. Green.
35 Dollars 1 Mace | Echong lacquer man.`
`Rec'd at Canton Nov. 27th, 1784 of F. Molineux for Acc't of Capt. Green four hundred and thirty seven Dollars six Mace five Candereens four Cash being in full for several Invoices of China Ware.
437 ; 6; 5 ; 4. Exchin, China Merch't.
ns
9 C 8 Cash Change
never rec`
Scammed?
Rece'd at Canton Dec. 18th, 1784 of F. Molineux for Acc't of Capt. Green Nineteen Dollars in Full for two tubbs of China Bowls and one Dish 19 Dollars Sayhoun China Merch't.
spiral cedar
thorn trail
Question: What does the SK C/insert number here meant for german naval guns?
spiral cedar
Question: What does the SK C/*insert number* here meant for german naval guns?
SK = Naval cannon
C/ = construction year
So SK C/34 means naval cannon year 1934
thorn trail
SK = Naval cannon
C/ = construction year
I first thought the C/insert number was related to the caliber of the gun like how the Iowa's gun is 16"/50 Mk7
spiral cedar
Nope, entirely different system
thorn trail
@spiral cedar How about the SK L/insert number used on Imperial German Navy guns?
what does the number mean?
spiral cedar
L in that case is for Length in calibers
But with the caveat that the Germans used a different method for measuring gun length than most navies
thorn trail
Huh. Why the difference in naming between the Imperial German Navy and Kriegsmarine?
spiral cedar
Dunno. Navies do just change terms sometimes
thorn trail
But with the caveat that the Germans used a different method for measuring gun l...
Also what's the difference in the german method of measuring gun length?
eternal veldt
which other battles there's between French and Royal navy during ww2 aside from ...
Dakar
In which the British nearly lost Resolution after a torpedo from the Beveziers hit her
nor was the main objective of neutralizing Richelieu and rallying the North African troops to join the Free French cause a success
spiral cedar
Also what's the difference in the german method of measuring gun length?
Germans used the entire length of the barrel, whereas most navies used only up to the inner breach face (thus shorter and more reflective of the shell’s travel rather than physical gun size)
chilly osprey
There were also three naval battles off the coast of Lebanon & Syria between French destroyers and British destroyers and cruisers
Plus multiple clashes during Operation Torch
And then there's also Madagascar
dark spade
Oh I see why people normally give credit to Yorktown for the sinking of yamato. She was the last to drop torps while Hornet was the 1st
Yet I think all carriers involved are given credit for her sinking.
But yorktown is only she ship to give the last blow. Nothing really special about her.
chilly osprey
Yeah, it was a group effort
The idea of giving a single ship credit is usually silly, but it is quite common unfortunately.
Most commonly it comes when people are eager to heap more laurels on an already well known or legendary ship - Warspite being perhaps the most prominent example of this.
spring briar
Dupleix visiting Tallinn in 1932.
thorn trail
I just learned about how the british navy tried sinking their own ships in the battle of heligoland bight
manic latch
Dupleix visiting Tallinn in 1932.
Welcome 
manic latch
I prepared a ground to make a joke actually
But I realised its kinda too lewd
So now I'm afraid of mods to say it
spring briar
just DM it?
ivory ridge
spring briar
rapid junco
Honolulu (left) and St.Louis (right)
green saffron
Honolulu was a lucky ship
Considering how USN light cruisers tended to be rather unlucky
shrewd pecan
Considering how USN light cruisers tended to be rather unlucky
ehhhhhhhhh
throughout the entire war the US only lost about three light cruisers, two of them being Atlanta's other being a Brooklyn
manic latch
Japan be like
shrewd pecan
considering the tendency of the bulk of light cruiser fleet to take severe damage and returning to service not long after taking such damage
I'd argue they're rather lucky
green saffron
throughout the entire war the US only lost about three light cruisers, two of th...
The number of them that got heavily damaged relative to other members of their fleets though
Like Boise
eternal veldt
The number of them that got heavily damaged relative to other members of their f...
The entire New Orleans class:
Let me just borrow this from jaba
New Orleans class
New Orleans: Bow blown off by torpedo
Astoria: Hit more than 5 dozen times and sunk
Minneapolis: Bow blown off by torpedo
San Francisco: Mauled by 14" bombardment shells, taking 45 hits
Quincy: Torpedoed, shelled, and sunk
Vincennes: Torpedoed, shelled, and sunk
Tuscaloosa: Spent nearly the entire war in the Atlantic and was never damaged
shrewd pecan
👁️ the heavy cruisers were far more unfortunate
eternal veldt
Tassafaronga alone is
Fucking bad
Northampton sunk, 2 New Orleans crippled, Pensacola crippled
In exchange for only Takanami
For all the shit thrown at the Japanese and their long lance memes, at least Tanaka knows what he's doing
(granted, Tassafaronga also has a case of two divisions that were not coordinated well, with the DD screen getting confused for a few times)
chilly osprey
I mean, night battles just suck
They're a confusing mess, even if you have radar
Not well suited to employing a large formation/large number of ships
Effective night formations tend to be smaller forces that know they're the only friendlies around, and have trained to work together.
eternal veldt
Tassafaronga is a case of two divisions just cobbled up together though, IIRC
Empress Augusta Bay also had confusions from the DD screen on both sides as far as I remember
chilly osprey
Yup
eternal veldt
(to the point that Hatsukaze got rammed by Myoko and eventually lost)
manic latch
Sailors of the Japanese submarine I-8 and sailors of the Kriegsmarine at lunch in French Brest
Specialist of the SS division "Totenkopf" examines the quality of sausages in the field
spring briar
Sailors of the Japanese submarine I-8 and sailors of the Kriegsmarine at lunch i...
Get out me country
tough quail
manic latch
manic latch
Specialist of the SS division "Totenkopf" examines the quality of sausages in th...
Yo this is Maka's kind of job
tough quail
she just needs to shoot those guys first
manic latch
German battleship "Gneisenau" under camouflage nets in the dry dock of the port in French Brest
maiden citrus
Yo this is Maka's kind of job
man I saw this post and didn't scroll up for a second to see it and saw 'specialist of the ss division' and 'yo this is maka's kind of job' and I was like
spring briar
maiden citrus
but yeah I will be hot dog quality inspector
spring briar
tough quail
kremlin why are you like this
subtle prawn
Volta during 1941. Platforms for two single 13.2mm Browning MG have been fitted to the sides of turret III, and the tricolore identification markings have been transferred to turret IV. (Courtesy of Robert Dumas)
eternal veldt
sees the name I-8
inner rage intensifies
eternal veldt
Loads
shrewd pecan
maiden citrus
it's coming
spring briar
maiden citrus
based
hushed saffron
Please tell me it doesn't automatically lock on to borders.
fervent wyvern
Anyone else want history to be different that way we get ships in azur lane with awesome skills
Like Alaska part of taffy 3 and then in azur lane she is a DD con and a CVL con and has powerful defensive skills for them
ivory ridge
oddly specific
tough quail
if she was in taffy three she'd probably get reamed though
oops giant focus fire target
fervent wyvern
Everyone shoots Alaska
Taffy 3 makes it to safety
Alaska takes on the entire enemy fleet
Oofs
Alaska gets released in azur lane as a UR that heavily buffs DD and CVL
But then imagine if she survived
spiral cedar
Pretty sure a random CVE task force is the last place a just-finished shiny large cruiser will be assigned
tough quail
id rather imagine an Alaska without the worst amidships profile put to sea
so basically Puerto Rico
ivory ridge
but basketball court
fervent wyvern
Are there any ships that would be SSR or UR that buffs both DD and CVL
My best fleets are all DD and CVL
manic fractal
IJN Mokyo is Moukou ?
ivory ridge
valid trout
Get out me boob
huh
plucky mantle
wat
tough quail
reading these last few messages feels like i had a stroke
spiral cedar
IJN Mokyo is Moukou ?
No
tribal mortar
junior trench
???
ivory ridge
This is the guy that was trolling in AL lore by posting old ships with the same name as the PRs to prove they are real
Just ignore them
spiral cedar
Ah, I remember
ivory ridge
And not just once, like 6 times in 3 separate occasions after being told multiple times
fierce sparrow
tough quail
straight to brazil
eternal veldt
As for rarity, history completely irrelevant as mentioned above
big whale, shit diesels, total failure that killed the Yamato diesel proposals
converted into mediocre CVL
top tier healing CVL in AL
tough quail
to be fair she got powercrept straight to hell for the most part
tough quail
and then aquila/unicorn/perseus/Volga dunked her into the ground
junior trench
I always forget Aquila heals
And things die too quickly for Volga to ever proc her heal
At least for me
Which results in awkward situation where mob fleets can attrite her fleet by inflicting damage and then all dying
Oh right
History
Uh
eternal veldt
Remind me, didn't Aquila use GZ's salvaged equipment
Which makes her even fucking worse
valid trout
Remind me, didn't Aquila use GZ's salvaged equipment
Yea she did
But she wasn’t even used lol
ivory ridge
Remind me, didn't Aquila use GZ's salvaged equipment
Strasser's catapults
manic latch
eternal veldt
rapid junco
straight to brazil
manic latch
Japanese shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) in Nagasaki launched today "Agano", the sixh Mogami-class vessel. Also known as FFM, it is a next generation frigate for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF).
thorn trail
Japanese shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) in Nagasaki launched toda...
I honestly kind of hate it that most new ships look blocky as fuck
manic latch
I honestly kind of hate it that most new ships look blocky as fuck
Stealth fetish
Smh smh compact designs
thorn trail
at least make the stealth ship design unique like the Zumwalt
thorn trail
Hull shape is unique at least
unique sierra
at least make the stealth ship design unique like the Zumwalt
They tried that with the LCS class
Sort of
Didn’t go so great
thorn trail
They tried that with the LCS class
That ship had way more problems that has nothing to do with the looks tho
manic latch
at least make the stealth ship design unique like the Zumwalt
There are talks about Zumwalt being very weak to waves if she is taking them from sides
Also her design causes less space for weapons because of the shape
So the Burke replacement ain't gonna look like her
eager dove
That’s a hell of an assumption considering that DDG(X) is still within development
And they have been seen testing hulls which have taken a lot from Zumwalt
It’s actually the opposite, tumblehome hulls maximize internal volume which can be used for weaponry
There’s a reason why Zumwalt and her sisters are going to be equipped with the first surface ship launched US hypersonic weapon system
Which is huge
Zumwalts officers and captain have gone on record saying that the ships seakeeping is excellent after testing off Alaska
unique sierra
Hypersonics are dumb
Literally impossible to do guidance, and unless you can somehow go hypersonic in lower atmo, you're coasting unpowered in the terminal phase
in which case just use a ballistic missile
Their only significant advantage is mid course guidance, but most ABM systems today are terminal intercept anyway
desert agate
The plasma cone issue is being worked around
Afaik the missile being developed at Woomera rn has proper hypersonic guidance
unique sierra
Thats one of the issues, and Idk how they will mitigate it, but even if they do, see the next points
eager dove
Hypersonics have their purpose
desert agate
Also it's less about terminal hypersonics and more about reducing reaction times
eager dove
Dismissing them out of hand is silly
unique sierra
Dismissing them out of hand is silly
Fair. They're quite dumb with current tech levels
desert agate
LRASM is still probably my favourite western anti shipping weapon tho
unique sierra
mmmmm stealthy boy
eager dove
CPS is going to be a terrifying system
unique sierra
Also it's less about terminal hypersonics and more about reducing reaction times
Depressed trajectory shots can arguably do similar things
Like, don't get me wrong
I kinda want hypersonics cause fast is cool
but at the same time the insane hype around it is unearned imo
eager dove
Insane hype being unearned shouldn’t lead to being so dismissive
Conventional prompt strike which is being put aboard Zumwalt, launched from submarines and army trailer platforms can reach Taiwan from Guam in 12 minutes
That is a very serious capability to strike fixed targets (and potentially moving targets in the future) with very little notice
eager dove
LRASM is still probably my favourite western anti shipping weapon tho
LRASM and NSM/JSM are terrifying
unique sierra
I still personally think for antishipping specifically, stealth like LRASM is the way to go
Unless they can SOMEHOW solve the guidance issue
eager dove
Yes stealth and smart guidance seem to be more dangerous than pure speed in my opinion
manic latch
It’s actually the opposite, tumblehome hulls maximize internal volume which can ...
Ok watch this
Zumwalt: 15,656 tons
80 cell
2 155mm
Burke Flight 3
9,500 tons
96 cells
1 127mm
Yeah I ain't convinced
chilly osprey
I mean, have you seen the amount of deck space taken up by the 155mm installations?
You could fit a ton of Mk.41 in the same space
hence why they can fit the launchers for CPS
manic latch
hmm
chilly osprey
Though, I would note that tumblehome does limit the volume in your uppermost decks, which can limit the number of VLS you take - unless you're doing deck edge stuff like the Mk.57
chilly osprey
Yes stealth and smart guidance seem to be more dangerous than pure speed in my o...
It also has to be said that supersonic missiles either have to be fat, or sacrifice a lot on range. Especially if they're trying to sea-skim all the way as many subsonics do.
They're much more obvious targets that rely on trying to limit your reaction time - which isn't as meaningful if you're going to see them, or their launching platform, earlier than you would the longer-ranged stealth subsonic.
chilly osprey
Well, hypersonic, if you have HGV's, are a totally different ballgame than supersonic missiles
But yes, ideally if you want to try and break into a well defended formation, and you have the resources and ability to coordinate such an attack, a mix of threat types can help improve the chances of you getting past their defenses.
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
manic latch
God can't wait for F-35 to have troop pods one day
Drops like 4 soldiers that totally worth the danger
tough quail
spring briar
tough quail
friend
ivory ridge
rotund
manic latch
I made some upgrades
somber knoll
shinano buffs DDs for no reason
At least she had a precedent for it
somber knoll
i dont recall her being escorted in the
Toshio Abe‘s request was dismissed, and she was to be escorted by the destroyers IJN Isokaze, Yukikaze and Hamakaze, from the Battle of Leyte Gulf. They were also damaged and required three days of repairs as well as crew’s rest.
somber knoll
sullen canyon
somber knoll
the only thing that made it notable is that she only got it once
kindred reef
wow what is that shell even for?
spring briar
penetrating armor
spring briar
tank
kindred reef
how many mm?
spring briar
152
kindred reef
if not Kv-2, then what?
i dont know any other tanks with 152mm
oh is it the isu-152?
spring briar
This is the Russian 152mm BP-540 (БП-540), a high-explosive anti-tank with tracer (HEAT-T), spin stabilised projectile intended to be used against armoured targets in a direct fire role.
used in ISU-152
kindred reef
okay so what is the shell you posed shot from
tough quail
ayyy the best heavy of the war
frigid karma
is isu-152 a heavy
manic latch
Tank hunter
frigid karma
more of a td, no?
spring briar
also used in stuff like the M-10
kindred reef
is isu-152 a heavy
no its a light reconissance vehicle
manic latch
True
frigid karma
light for a battleship
kindred reef
kv2 is true heavy
tough quail
it's a casemate IS hull, even if it's not really a "heavy" it's more useful than all of them
kindred reef
rook>a-10
manic latch
apparently the a-10 is a modernized skyraider
Someone is reading wiki
Love this feature of AL
spring briar
these are KV-2 shells
manic latch
It makes people research new stuff
spring briar
you can recognize KV-2 shells from their bigger boat tails
ISU (and object 268 and its variants you know) used this as AP
tough quail
my beloved
spring briar
clearly this is an actual AP shell
compared to the more SAP like kv2 shell
another variant
get fucked
kindred reef
panther moment
tough quail
youch
tough quail
blessed zveroboy
spring briar
spring briar
strong plank
just a giant Char
tough quail
help him
tough quail
Richy w/ the good content
strong plank
it’ll buff out
spring briar
manic latch
just a giant Char
Width: 300 ft (91 metres) Front Wheels: 150ft to 200ft (46 to 61 metres) diameter and 20ft (6 metres) wideTotal weight, battle ready5000 tons (4,500 tonnes)CrewNot more than 30 men.Propulsion20,000hp steam engine fed by oil-fired boilersSpeedSpeed: up to 100 mph (161 km/h)
strong plank
the
manic latch
“Alright we’ve built it”
strong plank
“Alright, now load it onto a freighter and get it over to the front in Europe”
spring briar
I uhhh
yeah idk with this one
this is just no
strong plank
“….”
strong plank
Wait what
spring briar
spring briar
I.... is this
a...
char 2..c
spring briar
did I just find one of the char 2c's
strong plank
Looks like the same one
spring briar
strong plank
manic latch
“Alright, now load it onto a freighter and get it over to the front in Europe”
It doesn't have any guns it just
Goes over enemies
strong plank
My dad’s got a char model downstairs
strong plank
motherf...
Oh Jesus I just noticed the gun
kindred reef
motherf...
how did it survive after being shot up that much????
frigid karma
it didn't
spring briar
test target
kindred reef
average german build quality, winter, 1945
spring briar
where is it
manic latch
how did it survive after being shot up that much????
Ammo testing
frigid karma
god, that is some cinema
strong plank
I’m trying to find that one French tank from wot
manic latch
god, that is some cinema
I can't see shit
strong plank
The amx but the little zippy one
frigid karma
The amx but the little zippy one
elc?
spring briar
amx-13?
kindred reef
have you ever heard of the vickers independent
spring briar
The amx but the little zippy one
ELC even 90?
frigid karma
strong plank
That’s the one
frigid karma
elc amx
manic latch
Horse's car
spring briar
kindred reef
let me guess soviet union lmao