history

[valid trout]

[maiden citrus]

[somber knoll]

[dusty kraken]

why are there like 10 GCLs

[somber knoll]

those were the Gropecunt Lanes

[shrewd pecan]

seems like something apartheid south africa would do

[wet atlas]

Didn't they recently repeal that law?

And they're also jacking up spending to have I think the 3rd-largest defense budget in the world

[shrewd pecan]

2nd/3rd depending on how you look at it

they reinterpeted article 9

[eternal veldt]

Oh, we doing funny place names?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_End let's go

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Town,_Ohio

[desert agate]

In DMs please

[shrewd pecan]

🤨

[strong plank]

[eternal veldt]

Also, Fucking, Austria no longer exists

Its now Fugging

[shrewd pecan]

shame

must of gotten sick of people stealing their signs

[wet atlas]

That's literally what happened

[junior trench]

now the sign won't be stolen by sex maniacs

it'll be stolen by seggs maniacs

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

ah town names... ohno

[desert agate]

You cam spray me but you cannot stop me

[tired flower]

[strong plank]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-tiktok-gif-25591053

[solid mango]

did I draw the wrong 5" mount on Helena

because if so then fuck

did Helena recieve newer gun mounts later on in her service life?

[eternal veldt]

Helena had the earliest 5"/38 Mark 29 mounts

They had slanted edges that look more like the Mark 22 SP mounts rather than the angular Mark 28/29/32/38 mounts.

[solid mango]

so she didnt recieve the later ones?

[eternal veldt]

No.

They're functionality identical, I believe.

[solid mango]

yup, they still there

[solid mango]

ive already merged all of Helena's layers

[eternal veldt]

neither did St Louis - even as late in service as the Tamandare

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[solid mango]

I have officialy commenced the I fucked up moment

[eternal veldt]

If you're going for Helena, then the 5"/38 is not the only fuck up you did I'd say 😛

[solid mango]

ope im just going for a general look of a Brooklyn class and label it as Helena because yes

[eternal veldt]

You'd need to toss away the SK radar set on top of her foremast

and replace it with the SC FC radar

[solid mango]

a

[eternal veldt]

vs

[solid mango]

welp, lesson learned, no matter how much I dislike WoWs, im gonna have to use their 3d models for ref

[eternal veldt]

nope

stay the fuck far away from WG's Helena

because she isn't Helena, she's St.Louis

[solid mango]

a

[eternal veldt]

http://www.nikomodel.pl/index.php/en/resin-kits/ships-en/scale-1-700-en/item/uss-helena-cl-50-1942

Try this one, it's not completely accurate, but a closer match

or, you know, photos.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/050/04050.htm

[solid mango]

okay thats two things left to do, smoothen the corner of the 5" mounts to atleast make it look like the real deal, and replace the radar, thanks

[eternal veldt]

If you're really going to tryhard as well, you can do the welded shut portholes on her hull

Which, surprisingly, are not circles, but octagonal!

[solid mango]

i have no fucking clue why I was thinking of CA-75 while i was drawing Cl-50

[eternal veldt]

but the Helena rabbit hole doesn't stop there!

[solid mango]

not even gonna do railings so haha nope

[solid mango]

does it stop at CL-113?

[eternal veldt]

If you're really, really dedicated

as of June 1942, Helena carries her "CruDiv 9" aerial recognition stirpes on her B turret!

which are green and white!

I should oath her one day.

[solid mango]

is gud

[eternal veldt]

Also, back on WG's models, I'd only take their models as reference when no other sources are available, and even if that's the case, massive grains of salt

Still extremely angry over how fucked both their Renowns are

[solid mango]

wat did they do?

[eternal veldt]

Inaccuracies all over the place

The only historical ship which I can confidently say is not fucked up and almost 100% precise is their Yamato

[solid mango]

did they just fucking deprived her of her aerial facilities

[eternal veldt]

Nope

Most British capital ships had their hangars razed between 1943 to 1944

The hangar is converted fot other purposes, such as a cinema, and the boat deck moved down for more AA

[solid mango]

ive only touched kms, usn, and ijn in WoWs so I dont know what other shiet weegee did

[eternal veldt]

Even some of the US ships are colossal shitshows, especially their fakium ones

[solid mango]

weegee being weegee

[spring briar]

Siroco is also well modeled

[solid mango]

anyways, thanks for the info regarding Helena & the Brookies im gtg for now

[spring briar]

bye

[eternal veldt]

Gascan's also gud, I think

[spring briar]

she's alright

Alsace has some secondary placement issues

[eternal veldt]

the 100mm?

[spring briar]

ye

too many iirc

[eternal veldt]

You sure you're not thinking Flandre?

[spring briar]

nope

Flandre is all kinds of messed up

[eternal veldt]

Alsace is pretty close to No.3

[spring briar]

yes but can we really be sure about how Alsace would've looked like secondary loadout wise?

[eternal veldt]

Well, assuming No.1 is true, then Alsace as a whole is completely...wrong

[spring briar]

Alsace looks better than I remember

[eternal veldt]

Though the thing that irks me more are those directors, sticks out like a sore thumb

[spring briar]

maybe it was Gascogne that was a bit wrong

[eternal veldt]

Champog has wrong secbat

[spring briar]

mhm

[spring briar]

yeah they'd never put two directors on the same axis like that

they learned from rich

[eternal veldt]

Dunno, Gascan still has it

[spring briar]

these might be on seperate axles

since there's a piece of bridge between them

dunno

sus

[eternal veldt]

These aren't the main directors, probably not as much of a problem

[spring briar]

I suppose

they're also pretty well separated

so should be less of an issue

but trend in french ships in the 1940's is directors on stalks

well separated from other directors to prevent one hit from knocking multiple out

[eternal veldt]

Any example?

[spring briar]

I forgot where exactly I read that they did this going forward

but I'll try to find it

[eternal veldt]

so stalk as in staggered?

[spring briar]

on a stalk as in seperated from the rest somewhere on open deck space

french use of macks allowed more free space on deck

you can kinda see this in coalbear II

and De Grasse

Stalks

[spring briar]

Stalks

[ivory ridge]

Why are you stalking botes

[manic latch]

I teach him

[solid mango]

Dont ask why im playing wgr, I need answers

Because if im being honest, I know nothing abt these ships (in that certain depth of knowledge)

[spring briar]

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Does this Vanguard use supercharger or not

Likely not

[solid mango]

I dont know

[spiral cedar]

Doesn’t matter, Richy beats it out either way

[spring briar]

[solid mango]

Arigathanks gozaimuch

[spring briar]

Richie's shells are very long, meaning she needs a very tight twistrate to stabilize them

this means she had to use more propellant to achieve similar velocities

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Littorio is 222.2kg
Richel 288kg?

[spring briar]

ye

for 830mps

[spiral cedar]

To get similar MV and similar shell weight out of a barrel that is ten percent shorter

[spring briar]

and that too

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Stalingrad use 230kg. Why Littorio is low

[spring briar]

stalingrad has a mv of 950 mps

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Ye

But 305mm

[ivory ridge]

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Litto use 381

[spring briar]

using rather heavy 305's

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[spring briar]

krem

mv

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[spring briar]

british 6" use 13.6 kg
italian 6" use 22 kg

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Yeah British is always cringe

[spring briar]

1000 mps vs 841 mps

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Italians are correct way

[spring briar]

krem

shut

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Ok Drach

[spring briar]

no

USN 6"/47 uses 15kg at 762 mps

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Yikes

[spring briar]

france uses

let me check

17.3 kg

for 870 mps

with quite heavy SAPC

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French is fucking based

[spring briar]

everyone is based

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Less than 800= not based at all

[spring briar]

british is 841

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Ok semi based

[spring briar]

USN 6"/47 also has a reduced charge for the mark 35 APC for plunging fire with a mv of 625 mps

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Question

Where did love of plunging fire of US come from

[spring briar]

war plan orange?

[manic latch]

Huh

[spiral cedar]

Earlier probably tbh

[spring briar]

probably yes

[spiral cedar]

Plunging fire was a serious consideration for US coastal defense back in 1906

[spring briar]

the USN was a fan of DP shells

ah

jaba already mentioned it

[spiral cedar]

And it was only shortly thereafter that the USN started beefing up deck armor against plunging hits

That’s all pre-WWI

[spring briar]

yes

JB experienced SHS

very cool

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Wish Massa experienced French 380

[spring briar]

I don't

I don't like people dying

[spiral cedar]

She did experience French…280mm was it?

[spring briar]

240mm

[spiral cedar]

That’s it

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Well that ain't scary much

[spring briar]

heh

sure

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Cmon it's a Massa

[spring briar]

doesn't matter

240mm shells hurt

[spiral cedar]

Ah, but what if I told you that that 24cm shell came within a few meters of potentially crippling Massy?
|| It didn’t, but what if I did ||

[manic latch]

BB that was designed for 16 inch AP got crippled by a 240mm

Would be a weird David vs Goliath story

[spring briar]

Richie's shells with its dual fuze functionality was also pretty much the anti all or nothing shell
glad neither augusta or massa were touched
Barham was touched but I don't know how bad it was as I can't find any primary sources or damage reports

[spiral cedar]

I wish the Brits would just put their detailed damage reports out on the internet like the USN

[spring briar]

imagine

richie's shells are also the anti bismarck shell of choice other than the SHS
since it fuzes on every single part of bismarck's armor and can pen the waterline

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So as Shell expert. What you like about Soyuz's AP or what situation it would be good for

[spring briar]

well

it's got a nice burster

and it's nice and fast

so better for closer ranges of the baltic etc

however if navweaps is to be believed the pen wasn't the best from the first batches

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Tirpitz was waiting yeah. So if Soyuz was build she had largest chance to fight with Tirpitz "If Germans didn't mine blockade spam the place"

[spring briar]

if you're fighting tirpitz

just load the super sap

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[spring briar]

you'll completely destroy her above the turtleback

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[halcyon coyote]

Soyuz probably wouldn't do well, seeing as she basically would have to make do with Harvey armor

[spring briar]

get out

[halcyon coyote]

Soviet industry couldn't make face-hardened plates thicker than 9 inches

[wispy mica]

Is it just USN ships that shit on the ships they sunk based on voice lines?

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Cemented*

[spring briar]

doesn't mean it's harvey armor

[halcyon coyote]

Cemented, fair enough

[manic latch]

1. She needs to get hit first
2. She is still a 60k ton steel so being fat still makes you hard to sink even if you have inferior quality

3. She still have guns She will shoot back with

[spring briar]

at the worst, Soyuz's armor would be more brittle at the centre of the plate similar to Japanese armor
there's also the reduction in effective thickness due to the laminated plates
but since each individual plate is thinner than those on Japanese ships, the brittle centre would normally be much smaller than in those

not the best but still effective

[manic latch]

I think Soyuz would use this girl as radar equipment on top

Tho I wonder how much advantage it can give vs Tirpitz

[manic latch]

First USA set to use lobing. 16" (40.6 cm) shell splashes could be ranged at 20,000 yards (18,500 m

[spring briar]

there's always the chance that one of your shells flattens out and punches through the upper deck of tirpitz

[spiral cedar]

It’s been almost two years I think but iirc SovSoy’s belt protection is roughly on par with KGV’s in terms of effective resistance. Her deck protection is ofc above average for treaty BBs

[spring briar]

yep

the thickness on soyuz armor does make up for some of its deficiencies
and honestly that's probably why they made it that thick in the first place

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I do like the fact both Soyuz and KGV has more armor for magazine belts

[spring briar]

same with the japanese

[manic latch]

While less for mid belt

[spring briar]

french void armor

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As for Anti air. Soyuz would used this

Or air warning that is*

[spring briar]

🛬

[spiral cedar]

Latewar Tirpitz has radar that probably puts her reasonably on par with the Mark 3 FC

So it’s probably a wash in the fire control radar department

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[spiral cedar]

How about surface search radar?

Axis sets were in general behind the Allies

[spring briar]

1940-41...........German...............British..........USN
Range accuracy:..40 meters...........240 yards.........N/A
Bearing Accuracy..0.10*................0.75*..............N/A

1942-43..........German................British..........USN
Range Accuracy:..40 meters............120 yards......0.1% of range + 40 yards
Bearing axxuracy..0.10*.................5-6 arc M (0.08*)...........3-4 mils (0.12-0.20*)

1944-45.........German ................British....................USN
Range accuracy:.25 meters.............120 or 40 yards..........0.1% of range + 15 yards.
Bearing Accuracy: 0.10*.................0.8*-0.10*................2-3 mils

[spiral cedar]

So if SovSoy has something SG tier or better that can provide a situational awareness buff

[manic latch]

Should be SG

[spiral cedar]

I recall that table. Still leaves open the question of whether those are practical figures, since stuff like sea clutter can curtail those values significantly—I’d be curious how much testing they did while actually underway

[manic latch]

Tho could be SF-1 too

[spring briar]

I think that thread was written by wehrbs

https://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1724

[spiral cedar]

And still, iirc, A-scope display, which theoretically permits higher accuracy but hurts situational awareness and keeping on target in realistic conditions

[spiral cedar]

I recall Brad Fischer saying somewhere that that guy does bring useful KM info out, but has a tendency to discount advanced capabilities in other nations

[spring briar]

well, the thread is full of people pointing out allied radar sets with same or better capabilities

they bring up very good german radars but say that they could easily be installed

[manic latch]

Ok so then it should go like this for Soyuz

Air warning radar: Type 281
Surface radar: SG or SF-1, if not possible then Type 271
Fire control radar: FG Mark 3 or Type 284
Long range AA: Type 285

[spring briar]

which just doesn't work like that

see Moskva

sorry krem

[spiral cedar]

what were the VMF’s star shells like

[manic latch]

It's ok I'm used to it now

[spiral cedar]

Because I wouldn’t be confident in using the Mark 3 or the early Type 284s for “blindfire,” and you have a lot of dark nights up north

[manic latch]

Hmm 130mms we're using it. But Soyuz had 152mm and 100mm

[spiral cedar]

Radar ranging + optical bearings would be ideal, but it’s not the easiest technique if you don’t train for it

[manic latch]

So let's see

[spring briar]

see, this is the issue in that thread as well

It was detected by both Seetakt and Freya stations. The Seetakt station was demonstrating how it operated to a group of admirals when it detected the incoming raid at 113 km. The operator called the Freya station to confirm. The Freya station reported that it had the same pips and had been observing them for sometime. So the Freya had detected the raid from an even greater range.

this logic only works if the freya and the seetakt were at the same location

or at the same relative distance from the bomber squadron

[manic latch]

Ok so 152mm of Soyuz (she use twin variants of Chapa) had 48kg star shell

[spring briar]

heavy ass star shell

[manic latch]

Muzzle velocity of 2,379 fps (725 mps)

[spiral cedar]

Secretly an incendiary shell

[manic latch]

Range and charge isn't stated sadly

Her 100mms had 16kg Star shell

646 mps

[spiral cedar]

I’m now remembering Drach saying DoY used 14” starshells

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

What’s an order of magnitude of weight between friends

[spring briar]

might as well call it a sun shell at that point

[spiral cedar]

Nah, that’s the W23 warhead

[spring briar]

does the W23 use an implosion type warhead?

[manic latch]

Speaking of w23

Rich. Can Soyuz use this nuclear 406mm?

[spiral cedar]

Gun type

[spring briar]

well

then it's fission

and not fusion fission

so is it really a sun shell

[spiral cedar]

Indeed. But, do you know of any fusion shells? If not, it’s still closer than any other shell

[spring briar]

crucible steel 15" shell

is a fusion shell

franco american fusion

cajun shell

[spiral cedar]

I forget, did it have American or French style rifling

[spring briar]

french style rifling bands

[spiral cedar]

Truly is a fusion then

[spring briar]

yee

[spiral cedar]

If only it had the K dye bag system too

[spring briar]

sad isn't it

still a beautiful shell

[chilly osprey]

How much in the way of American sets did the Russians get during the war?

My impression is that most of the Western radar sets they got for naval use were British in origin?

[spiral cedar]

That was mine too, but in the absence of specifics I didn’t want to rule anything out

[spring briar]

the UK lend leased their share of USN equipment to the soviets

[chilly osprey]

And truth be told I don't know if they'd have trusted the Soviets with fire control radars

[spring briar]

and I do believe this included some USN radars

[chilly osprey]

They Americans were very stingy with giving them to the FNFL, for example

[spring briar]

I'm not sure, roosevelt wanted to be on Stalin's good side

[chilly osprey]

Hence why all French ships to get fire control radar in WWII had to get it from the British

[spring briar]

hey phoe

[chilly osprey]

iirc his cabinet had Soviet sympathizers in it, but it's been a while since I've read anything on it

[spring briar]

never forget that the germans gave you downgraded fumo 26's

[chilly osprey]

Hard to forget, that was the rule of thumb

[desert agate]

Roosevelt liked Stalin a little too much

[chilly osprey]

Remember they gave the Italians used DB.601's too

Anywho

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Kinda a good thing he died when he did since Truman was a hard-time anti-soviet

[spring briar]

Italy and France
eternally shafted

[chilly osprey]

Biggest issue with the whole scenario is just that Soyuz was never going to be completed in time for WWII, even if the German invasion never interfered with her construction because of R.O.B. handwavium

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Given Soviets did get SG radar. Dunno I just love Roosevelt

[manic latch]

If they only had me as worker

[chilly osprey]

I mean, Roosevelt is pretty based on a lot of ways. And anyone who annoys Hitler enough for him to start calling them 'The Chosen One of World Jewery' is good in my book.

But he did have his flaws

[spring briar]

me in 1933 france: invade the rhineland

and give it to Belgium

WW1 debt finally paid

[manic latch]

But Phon is right

Soviets mostly used British radars

[spring briar]

what about PT boat radars

you've all watched the lion king right?

[manic latch]

Ye

[chilly osprey]

The animated one, yeah

[spring briar]

remember that scene when simba returns to his rock and runs through the desert?

[spiral cedar]

I’ve been waiting for it for years, but we only ever got to see the Vanguard King due to budget cuts

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Type 291?

[spring briar]

SG's

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SO-13 then

[spring briar]

maka would love this

[manic latch]

But yeah I could have finished Soyuz 3 years earlier

Just need water

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lionking-simba-lion-running-gif-6008844

the italian king returning

[tough quail]

[manic latch]

Goes back in time

Yooo don't scrap Izmails finish them. Their 12 356mm will be super useful in future

[spiral cedar]

I don’t think the Alsace King even finished script-writing

[spring briar]

you will drink bitter waters for this treachery jaba

[manic latch]

Soyuz king was canceled production

[tough quail]

me screaming in vain at Germany to keep building Deutschlands

[spring briar]

returns to 1922
hands algerie and la galissoniere blueprint to france
"this is all you need"
"and make sure to use the best steel you can"

also, you might wanna warn the US for 1928
some funky banking stuff will happen

goodbye

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-illusionist-magician-jochem-nooyen-gone-gif-17492543

[spiral cedar]

“These designs are okay, but I’m sure we can improve them by committee. How about cutting armor for more speed?”

[spring briar]

ok Omaha maker

make sure to finish the lexington class as BC's

they will be extremely usefull

trust

[manic latch]

Iowa syndrome

[spiral cedar]

Cutting 0.1” of main belt armor

Truly a sacrifice for the ages

[spring briar]

Iowa armor argument will never get old

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Montana is true BB
Iowa is cringe

[spring briar]

no

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Shut

[spring briar]

Montana cringe

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Expensive CV escort

[spring briar]

what's that second word there

CV

yes

build them

don't worry about Montana

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No they are boring

[spring briar]

she will appear on a magical screen in 70 years

[tough quail]

14" NC is more based than both

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No boom

[tough quail]

get owned

[spiral cedar]

But consider

14” Quad Montana

[spring briar]

3x4 8" Iowa

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Make it 4x4

Shit wrong one

Fuuuck

Here

Now it's 4x4

[spring briar]

disgusting

I'll have 6

[chilly osprey]

Send me back in time to embark on a holy crusade against independent air forces

[tough quail]

no no go for five

ideal aesthetic

[spiral cedar]

Sextuple 5”/38 DP

[chilly osprey]

Inshallah they shall not take our naval aviation

[spring briar]

you want the allies to take more losses?

[manic latch]

Makarov the sexy women

[tough quail]

anything to keep the chair force down

[chilly osprey]

See, my plan is masterful because;

A) German naval air arm shouldn't make a huge difference, and I have faith in the German army to screw up the air force

B) In Italy, this means I'm probably going to liquidate the fascists before they get out of control

C) Japan didn't have an independent air force anyways

[spring briar]

2nd entente time???

based franco italian invasion of germany

[chilly osprey]

Inshallah no anschluss shall occur while we draw breath

[manic latch]

I just want to steal naval technology of US and send it to Soviets early as 1930s

[spring briar]

and then ON TO MOSCOW

they will pay for Poland

[spiral cedar]

liquidate the fascists (literally)
(pour them into a mould and cast them into shell targets)

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-have-my-revenge-liam-neeson-gif-10580647

[chilly osprey]

1938 German invasion of Austria ends with a total collapse of the Third Reich under the pressure of a combined Franco-Italo-Czech offensive

[manic latch]

Poland was doomed bitch

[tough quail]

instructions unclear

[eternal veldt]

Sell the Mogadors to Polan-

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-26246523

[tough quail]

The USSR is now building en echelon 14" north Carolina

[manic latch]

If France/British did something instead watching

[eternal veldt]

Poland sinks Schleswig Holstein as the opening shots of WWII

[spring briar]

now you've gone too far

[tough quail]

based

[spiral cedar]

Declaring war is probably more beneficial than invading from another direction

[tough quail]

polan wakes up to violence

[manic latch]

Surely defense worked well

[spring briar]

Franco-Finno-Italo-Polando-Belgo-Dutcho invasion of germany

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Finno

Bud

[chilly osprey]

Don't forget to check off the Czechs in the invasion force

[tough quail]

can I scream about Germany ruining polish AT rifles again

[humble mulch]

Romania will be there for moral support

[spring briar]

you realise how quick the finns turned on the germans when the war was going bad?

lolw

[humble mulch]

We’ll give y’all oil

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Of course they did

You know what would happen if they stayed that side

[spring briar]

don't say it

do not the g word

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Get sanctioned

[humble mulch]

I don’t blame Finland or Romania for team swapping to some extent

[spring briar]

"team swapping"

more like

saving lives

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Czech 305mm in Leningrad

[spring briar]

SKODAAAAAA

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Largest cannon there after Soyuz's 406mm and Izmail's 356mm

[tough quail]

Based

[spring briar]

weren't the french 520's there too?

[manic latch]

No

Two sailors of the 311th coastal battery of the Baltic Fleet of the Krasnaya Gorka fort, Leningrad (official name - Krasnoflotsky) are carrying 305-mm shells.

[spring briar]

yes she did

[manic latch]

Proof

[spring briar]

The fate of the 520 mm Schneider railway howitzer

The installation, developed at the very end of the First World War, flashed in the media throughout the 1920s, but its fate was unenviable. She never fired at the enemy either in World War I or during the blitzkrieg of the Germans in France in the spring and summer of 1940. The installation, which retained its combat capability and was not disabled, went to the German army as a trophy.

From France, she went to Leningrad. The Germans used a heavy-duty howitzer, designated 52 cm Haubitze (E) 871 (f), from the end of October 1941. The Germans used the gun that arrived at the front to fire at targets in the vicinity of Leningrad.

A 520-mm French railway howitzer captured by the Germans near Leningrad

[manic latch]

Wtf France why

[chilly osprey]

Hmm

I recall in WWII Italy still had four 381/40 railway guns in storage that weren't activated

[spring briar]

520 mm shell

[manic latch]

Now Soyuz gun ain't largest in Leningrad no more

[spring briar]

I'm sorry Krem

[chilly osprey]

I wonder if they were scuttled in 1943, captured by the Germans, or left alone

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

put them on Soyuz

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

🇫🇷 🤝

[spring briar]

you gotta admit, it's cool

I miss being a major ally

[manic latch]

Tashkent's DSHK in action

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

you're a major ally to me

[spring briar]

well we did help secure middle africa

[manic latch]

Transportation of Italian small torpedo boats of the MAS type to Yalta.

[spring briar]

African french shipgirls when manjuu

please

I need

representation

[tough quail]

instructions unclear

algerie wearing blackface

[spring briar]

noooo

Please

for the love of god

[tough quail]

[spring briar]

Mogador moroccan skin tone

please

Morocco precious

Europe wishes it was this pretty

[manic latch]

A group of Romanian soldiers on the ruined street of Sevastopol

[spring briar]

krem look

look how based africa is

[tough quail]

look it's red

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

that means it's Soviet

[spring briar]

what

[manic latch]

Too warm

[humble mulch]

Those are Mountaineers from I believe the 3rd mountaineer division

[manic latch]

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Soviet soldier near an unexploded German artillery shell in Sevastopol

Yo rich what fucking calibre is this

[humble mulch]

They have berets and “whiter” leg wrap sock things

That’s a big ass shell

[tough quail]

hug the unexploded ordinance grigori

[delicate beacon]

Wasnt one of the Karl Geräts at Sevastopol?

[manic latch]

Ooh

[tough quail]

this is a good idea

[manic latch]

600mm then

[spring briar]

600mm

used by the karl gerat

@manic latch

the picture shows the shell without the windscreen

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

used two shells

[manic latch]

Damn

The young cabin boy of destroyer "Tashkent" Boris Vasilievich Kuleshin (year of birth - 1928, pupil of the leader "Tashkent") with a PPSh submachine gun is on duty

[alpine onyx]

Children should have no business in war

[manic latch]

No kidding

[manic latch]

This was him in 1942

This is him in 1944

[spring briar]

KRAZNY KAVKAZ

[manic latch]

Got the order of red Star medal

And a cool outfit

[spring briar]

I want her in AL

[manic latch]

Same

[manic latch]

Pariz in Sevastopol

[spring briar]

🇫🇷

[manic latch]

Gremyashchy taking the Guards oath and taking the new Guards flag

[spring briar]

Best looking Soviet cruiser

[spring briar]

ayo

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@tough quail Razumny with special belt for ice

[spring briar]

🇺🇸 🤝 🇫🇷

@tough quail

bröther

two worlds one family is just the war of independence OST ngl

[manic latch]

American soldier near Strasbourg

[spring briar]

no

[manic latch]

Ships of the French fleet during the sinking in Toulon

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

[tough quail]

excellent pings today

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Finally HD Shoukaku by War Thunder

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Gawd

[tough quail]

shit boy if only wt models looked good

[manic latch]

And there is Enty

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1604833257262309376

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

Elbit Systems' Sabrah light tank based on VCZAP Castor (ASCOD 2) platform is accepted into service of the Armor Pambato Division of the Philippine Army now. The two-man turret is equipped with a 105mm LW gun and a bustle-mounted autoloader.

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Twitter · Dec 19, 2022, 1:37 PM

[tough quail]

rad

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/AlexLuck9/status/1604270839028817920

Alex Luck (@AlexLuck9)

After a gunnery exercise on a firing range in Germany 18 PUMA IFV suffered full system failures, notably in their (uncrewed) turret. While nature of defects was previously known, scale of issue unprecedented according to CO of 10th Panzerdivision. https://t.co/qvb82b4ULD

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Twitter · Dec 18, 2022, 12:22 AM

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/traditions-gif-25322285

[sleek folio]

just searched a bit of emmm Spanish navy and I know why they aren't in any game WTF is this

[tough quail]

spain moment

[shrewd pecan]

It was in shambles after the civil war so

[tough quail]

in shambles for the last couple centuries

[sleek folio]

or even this WTF

I hate my country

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/España-class_battleship

[sleek folio]

why even the republicans are so stupid

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reina_Victoria_Eugenia-class_battleship

[ivory ridge]

in an alternate world the war starts some years later and Spain builds multiple Littorios as well

[shrewd pecan]

I guess they can alt history it yeah

idk Spain doesn’t get a good fleet until late Cold War and after with the F100s

[sleek folio]

both España class ships ended in shit situations one accidentally exploded and the other ran aground like WTF

[shrewd pecan]

happens

[ivory ridge]

We can get both Spanish and South American Littorios because why not

[sleek folio]

man I feel bad for my great-grandfather who fought in the Spanish civil war,

to have such incompetent allies

luckily Catalonia was the last one to fall so at least here they were competent

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think the navy died of incompetence, it died from lack of modernization combined with compounding mistakes

[sleek folio]

Spanish civil war was won by Hitler and Musolini (not quite but he also helped)

[shrewd pecan]

running aground is quite common

[sleek folio]

Franco was incompetent and lack of brain the latest stages of the war proved it

the sovied support wasn't actually good in the republicans side BTW and the allies... well they didn't even helped Poland

[spring briar]

they did

it's just massively downplayed

and could have been much better

[sleek folio]

well yeah

[shrewd pecan]

I mean Soviet support was significant for the republicans

Main issue is that the axis were far more direct with their support combined with the nationalist actually having the trained army onside

[manic latch]

[sleek folio]

yup as I said the axis won the Spanish civil war

[spring briar]

the axis were just being the axis

[sleek folio]

not Franco he deserves 0 respect

kill that shit

well he's dead but again

[shrewd pecan]

idk he won them the war but I’m the last person to bootlick tyrants

[manic latch]

[sleek folio]

remove him from the balle de los caidos please he doesn't deserve to be buried with all the soldiers that died during the war

[shrewd pecan]

[manic latch]

[sleek folio]

just see the name L O L

[manic latch]

Tato?

Oooh

[shrewd pecan]

the

[manic latch]

Tito

[shrewd pecan]

I mean Tito was funny

but at the same time set the grounds for the Yugoslavias collapse

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ setting the grounds for decades of Serb cope

[sleek folio]

a lot of ppl say that WW2 fucked European borders but let's be honest Europe was always weird with it's borders specially spain

you can actually search it but here we have some super weird borders

[manic latch]

We lack love

[tough quail]

https://www.reuters.com/world/italy-defence-minister-demands-equal-weight-uk-japan-fighter-partnership-2022-12-19/

chad

[sleek folio]

wait are you also Spanish?

[shrewd pecan]

European-Japanese cooperation

[manic latch]

Nobody knows my nationality

[shrewd pecan]

I did say Serb and he seemed to of responded to it

[humble mulch]

Inb4 Kremlin is Albanian

[manic latch]

You know lot of people call me Serbian or Latvian I don't know why

[sleek folio]

hmm actually I will not say who does it look like but he does

[tough quail]

i just assume kremlin is russian but he never elaborates

[delicate beacon]

Nah, Kremlin is Balkan. He doesn't even know his own nationality.

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

average American of Balkan descent

[tough quail]

kremlin is belkan

[delicate beacon]

Oh no.

[sleek folio]

balkan? Ukrainian

[manic latch]

Belkan

[shrewd pecan]

Osea shall prevail

[tough quail]

kremlin nuking his own borders for funnies

[sleek folio]

no actually chad Turkish

[manic latch]

Turkey superpower 2023

[sleek folio]

Turkish food

kebab god

[delicate beacon]

Kremlin has yet to slip up a funny i so he's probably not Turkish.

[tough quail]

true

[delicate beacon]

He's also not waving the Turkish flag every opportunity

[tough quail]

we shit on turkey like every other week, kremlin would have had a mental breakdown by now

[sleek folio]

I eated more than that but is the only name I can actually remember because the others are weird

[manic latch]

I would only wave Soyuz flag

[tough quail]

or maybe that's what caused his weird unhinged agir week

[delicate beacon]

[ivory ridge]

All i know about kremlin is that he lives in the EET timezone

[manic latch]

My plan was getting permission to say Soyuz again

It worked

[shrewd pecan]

mmm

Finnish

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

unless he's in africa then same timezone but more south

[manic latch]

Wakanda

[delicate beacon]

Libyan

[sleek folio]

not Turkish F for the kremlin making kebabs

[manic latch]

I'm Captain Alex

[sleek folio]

Bulgarian

[ivory ridge]

South african Kremlin

they support Russia a lot there

wouldnt be weird

[tough quail]

EET is interesting

[delicate beacon]

What about Transnistria

[sleek folio]

Romania

[ivory ridge]

we asked and he said no

[tough quail]

i doubt he's finnish

[manic latch]

Nah that's Tea

[ivory ridge]

in another server we thought he was Transinistrian for a while

[tough quail]

romania i think he'd have mentioned by now with tea constantly jerking them off

[ivory ridge]

it would make

a lot of sense

[manic latch]

Hartmann's theory ye

[sleek folio]

Greece? are you planning on invade Turkey and this is why you aren't talking?

[tough quail]

god i wish

[manic latch]

Greece would lose if it tries to invade. It can beat Turkey if it gets attacked

Since Nato aid etc being victim etc

France have a defensive Pact with them

[ivory ridge]

it's the same for both sides lol

[tough quail]

that's why you bait turkey into a war via inflammatory youtube comments

[ivory ridge]

but turkey is the more outspoken one

like

very much so

[sleek folio]

don't think so all Finnish I know hate Russia really hard

[ivory ridge]

right wait i needed to comment on the article above

[sleek folio]

well the number 1 haters are the Polands

[tough quail]

inb4 kaliningrad

[sleek folio]

but let's leave it aside

actually maybe he is lying and he is not EET and he is from the mighty Principality of Liechtenstein

[ivory ridge]

Crosetto is a weird guy, politically not the best individual and on twitter he's a meme.
But he worked in the defense industry for decades so he knows his stuff, even if that might lead to a conflict of interests.
The opposition likes to call him a lobbyist because of it, kekw.

[sleek folio]

or from the even bigger and more powerful sealand

[tough quail]

surprise mexican kremlin with a fucked up sleep schedule

[ivory ridge]

i know he's EET because of a screenshot he posted showing the time

not because he told anyone

[tough quail]

im betting either kaliningrad, latvian

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

or like

unironically from an old disgruntled commie family in ukraine

[sleek folio]

might Kremlin be Michel the governor of sealand?

[shrewd pecan]

eh easy way of going about it

@manic latch what's your emotional response to this song
https://youtu.be/S3BTthay29w

[ivory ridge]

[sleek folio]

I'm not from the Baltics and I feel motivated by this song is like the Italian partisan song

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way

[manic latch]

My waifu is called Sovetsky Soyuz

[manic latch]

What do you think

[manic latch]

Operation Uranus was gift delivery ye

[tough quail]

alright yeah that rules out the baltics

[sleek folio]

not Kronshtadt or Kiev? you sure?

are you sure your actual wife is Kronshtadt?

[strong plank]

Have i tabbed in at the most based of times

[tough quail]

so it's either kaliningrad to dodge russia's usual time zone

or like

[manic latch]

The fuck

[tough quail]

ukrainian with a picture of gorbachev's face on a dart board

[shrewd pecan]

I mean you could be this type of Ukrainian

[sleek folio]

I was searching where the Ordzhinikidze Yard is but I can't find it because Russia changes the name

fuck you Russia

[tough quail]

oh so you're telling me like

kremlin was in the UA choir when they did cruel angel's thesis

[shrewd pecan]

yes

[strong plank]

Wait I thought that was an edit

[shrewd pecan]

no

[tough quail]

kremlin i don't care what nationality you actually are, this is the lore for you going forward

[sleek folio]

oh wait all points in Ukraine so basically Soyuz was started in Ukraine which means Kremlin is from Ukraine

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/xDeQVaoTvJM

[manic latch]

Construction of Soyuz

[manic latch]

No. Sovetskaya Ukraina was started in Ukraine

Soyuz is in Leningrad

Baltic shipyard

[sleek folio]

oh ok I know what you are now

[shrewd pecan]

god they actually did it https://youtu.be/YrKMiE9WII0

[sleek folio]

na not really

[tough quail]

yeah, in ukraine they were building

well

ukraina

[shrewd pecan]

perhaps the Zelensky Evangelion video is real

[manic latch]

And Sevastopol

[tough quail]

yos

[manic latch]

Until Germans

Fucking blow them up

[sleek folio]

guys let's thing about countries in the Baltics that like Russia

fast

[tough quail]

im gonna say that kremlin is probably the left sousaphone guy

[manic latch]

I just love Soyuz

[sleek folio]

and no Servia si not in the Baltics so don't mention it we all know Servia kiss Rusia's ass

[humble mulch]

Kremlin strikes me as a brass player

[ivory ridge]

it's an edit, the original is from the Japanese coast guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXjIy0XQGi4

[tough quail]

FUCK

[shrewd pecan]

shame

[humble mulch]

Or the guitar
Would do Soviet-afghan war covers over edits of Soyuz

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

if it wasnt for EET and

like

kremlin being on the internet

i could buy him being an old VDV holdout stuck in afghanistan

like that one japanese guy in the philippines

[manic latch]

@humble mulch You know this is real right

[tough quail]

it would explain why he's so manic

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[tough quail]

and desperate to see a warship

[manic latch]

What a fucking fate for Tirpitz

[tough quail]

the sea is escape

[sleek folio]

who's that

[manic latch]

Tirpitz

[sleek folio]

kek

shit ship goes to shit places

she did nothing she deserves nothing

[ivory ridge]

goddammit why did you have to mention the vdv

i had their song stuck in my head early in the year

[tough quail]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/buynov-vdv-desant-gif-20196192

[humble mulch]

There's one good Soviet song I wanna shill

[tough quail]

i hope you didn't get shot photogenic vdv guy

[humble mulch]

And it's about an F4 pilot

[ivory ridge]

it's 4 years away from actual history

👁️

[humble mulch]

Getting dunked on in Nam iirc

[tough quail]

i know exactly the one you're talking about

[manic latch]

Wait. How 16 year is 4 years away

[tough quail]

yeah it's about a dude in a phantom getting shot down by a couple of russians pretending to be NVA

[ivory ridge]

"history" is usually considered 20 years ago

[manic latch]

Ooh

[tough quail]

yeah there's a 20 year moratorium

[manic latch]

So I can post this

[shrewd pecan]

yet the gun

did not improve kill rates

[manic latch]

BRRRT

[tough quail]

thus

[manic latch]

SMH

[tough quail]

navy > chair force

[shrewd pecan]

rare navy W

[manic latch]

God imagine this in War Thunder

[shrewd pecan]

too bad they lost all of their braincells in the 90s

[ivory ridge]

soon™️

[manic latch]

8 AMRAAM 2 sidewinder

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ I almost have the tomcat

[humble mulch]

Found it fuckers

https://youtu.be/nNmUJAyuwo4

[tough quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnyfxzYUBNk

lmfao

[humble mulch]

I love this song

[ivory ridge]

lmao

[tough quail]

simultaneous

im eventually going to buy the intruder and just juggle both the US and soviet lines with it and the su-25

multi-bloc ground pounding

yeehaw

[humble mulch]

Sound a baller song

[tough quail]

did WT ever shit out a full version of the song they used for the froggo trailer actually

their cover of it is pretty good

[manic latch]

@humble mulch This so would go so well with Soyuz sisters

https://youtu.be/11_uS0RNVIg

[tough quail]

fuck you georgia

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

this is why you didnt get laid down

[manic latch]

Gruziya rip bozo

1941

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

hi richy

[spring briar]

Hi

Whats going on

[tough quail]

alright to round off the soviet wanking before it gets too annoying, and because i never mentioned it here

i finally got stalingrad

boy fucking howdy the wait was worth it

[manic latch]

People theorizing my nationality

[manic latch]

Fuck you Khrushchev

At least allow 1 Stalingrad

[shrewd pecan]

no

Destalinization for you

[manic latch]

Still allows Sverdlovs and Ognevois

[tough quail]

can we put one of the turrets on a monitor and name it after cornman at least

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

no

missile destroyers instead

[tough quail]

:(

[shrewd pecan]

GET TO WORK!

[tough quail]

we can fit some of the funny launchers on the side!

plsplspls

[shrewd pecan]

"You told me we were going to be building battleships after the revolution!"

"BUILD THE FUCKING MISSILE BOAT!"

[tough quail]

i desperately miss old ashm launchers in general

they're all so fucking aesthetic

[manic latch]

Tho

[shrewd pecan]

Kidd class > Spruance class

[manic latch]

There is 1 piece of Stalingrad

That's still around

The the ring that's holding the antennas?

That's Stalingrad 's turret ring

[shrewd pecan]

recycling

[manic latch]

Likely only thing left of her ye

[tough quail]

huh

[manic latch]

Used for Pluto mission

[tough quail]

thats interesting

[shrewd pecan]

we need to make a edit of this

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

"I don't understand, why did you give me this empty ASHM rail, I thought I was going to be building battlecruisers after the revolution"

[manic latch]

Gorshkov: Do it

Kuz: But please build carrie-

Kuznetsov has been ejected

Gnevny and Forrestal

[tough quail]

https://twitter.com/_patryc_/status/1575919246487363584

patryc🌹dad/daddy🔞 (@_patryc_)

in 1920 we took children out of the coal mines

in 2020, the most popular video game on the market is minecraft.

the children yearn for the mines

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Twitter · Sep 30, 2022, 6:43 PM

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[tough quail]

yes

[manic latch]

The term Stakhanovite (стахановец) originated in the Soviet Union and referred to workers who modeled themselves after Alexey Stakhanov. These workers took pride in their ability to produce more than was required, by working harder and more efficiently, thus strengthening the socialist state. The Stakhanovite Movement was encouraged due to the idea of socialist emulation

[shrewd pecan]

me a kind and generous mining tycoon letting the children work in my mines for 20 company fun bucks a day
the evil government trying to prevent the children from playing the mines

[manic latch]

Man

Everytime I drink water I think

How much of it left

Since like

[tough quail]

that's deep

[manic latch]

We keep getting billion more numbers

As humans

But we all drink

But we consume something limited faster

So it will get more rare and expensive as time goes

Dunno if we can handle 30 billion world

I'm just amazed with India and China because of it

How can they handle 1 Billion populations

[shrewd pecan]

world population growth is slowing

[manic latch]

Well who would want kids anymore

[shrewd pecan]

generally put you don't need 20 kids anymore to work the farm

[manic latch]

And comfort is getting more expensive

Oh Stalingrad

Only you understand

[spring briar]

1921

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

We're at 8 billion now, should hit 9 billion in 2037, and peak at 10.4 billion between 2080 and 2100.

[ivory ridge]

fun fact that's a remix

the original is very different

[manic latch]

Slows down that fast?

[chilly osprey]

It has been slowing down dramatically, yeah

[manic latch]

Phew

[tough quail]

aye, i did manage to fine the original when i went looking for a full a while ago

[chilly osprey]

Population only grew by about 0.8% last year

[ivory ridge]

if you want the full version of the WT version your best bet is edits

[tough quail]

drat

maybe there's a better one up by now

[chilly osprey]

And population growth nowadays is mostly driven by a handful of sub-saharan African countries and three others around the globe.

[tough quail]

(the originals pretty good too tho)

[manic latch]

Yeah Europe has very low birthrate and Asia

[chilly osprey]

In quite a number of areas around the world growth has either stalled or the population is outright shrinking

[ivory ridge]

it's essentially the original mixed with one of the New power OST songs

[manic latch]

Oh wow

[chilly osprey]

It is actually possible that the global population will start to shrink in the 2090s - it's just too early to tell and will depend a lot on the pressures that change or emerge over the course of the century.

[manic latch]

I think world should stay around 10 bil

15+ bil could become too much

[ivory ridge]

Oh wait, it's specifically the main theme

i forgor

[tough quail]

[ivory ridge]

Still a new power OST, but still

[kindred reef]

wait why is the population going down???

[ivory ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri3pYRQWZ8M

[chilly osprey]

iirc the estimated capacity of earth is about 16 billion humans

[manic latch]

It's written on graph

[tough quail]

much appreciate

[kindred reef]

but why???

[tough quail]

its not, population growth is going down

[kindred reef]

Oh

[chilly osprey]

Primarily, because people are having less kids

[ivory ridge]

teaser song wise, the only edits i find are from when the update released so yeah

[tough quail]

shiet

[chilly osprey]

Once you go below replacement rate, unless you have immigration into your country, your population will eventually start to shrink

[shrewd pecan]

eventually we're set for a population decline but that's roughly assuming current trends hold true

[tough quail]

well, the dialogue and shootbangs go well with it

[shrewd pecan]

tho

overall population decline won't be for like hundreds of years

[manic latch]

We need more weebs

[chilly osprey]

Globally? Yeah, that will be a next-century issue.

For individual countries, that will be a problem in this century.

[shrewd pecan]

idk humanities ability to feed itself is only gonna get better as technology advances

combined with its abilities to gain resources

[manic latch]

Robo gfs

[spring briar]

Soilent green is people

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ asteroid mining

[manic latch]

bug choco bar

[shrewd pecan]

anyway who's joining me in the Adam Smasher borg maxing gang?

[chilly osprey]

Food accessibility doesn't necessarily drive population growth in developed countries