The light cruisers Duca d'Aosta and Eugenio di Savoia lay a minefield off the coast of Libya. In total, during the period of hostilities, the warships of the Italian Navy put up 54,457 mines in the Mediterranean Sea
#history
manic latch
subtle prawn
manic latch
Makarov 
spring briar
spiral cedar
"Linear warfare" is the usual term
frigid karma
he would suddenly shit his pants over proper maintenance procedures for the abrams
..you know
maybe McClellan is just a misunderstood product of his time
he could've done far better commanding wehrmacht tank divisions
"can we get a tank in here with some tracks that don't commit suicide more often than our mechanics?"
speaking of abrams, is it possible to hand crank the turret？
i know old ww2 tanks could
not sure if newer tanks have that function
spiral cedar
They did have a chance, mostly on the political side rather than military though. They needed an anti-war (or pro-negotiated peace) Union President to be elected in 1864 to achieve this. Official support from the UK or France would likewise have helped them last longer in hopes of enough of a political and military stalemate to achieve that. But poor Confederate diplomacy, foreign policy, military strategy, and adherence to slavery—coupled with the Union finally getting the right military strategy down with the right leaders in power—ended the chances of the CSA's survival
frigid karma
They did have a chance, mostly on the political side rather than military though...
what do you think of the CSA's chances of surviving long after a hypothetical win, though?
personally, their monocrop culture economy is just not sustainable for me
spiral cedar
They can win the war and lose the peace 
frigid karma
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
"fuck it, as good as a chance as any to try out this parachute, never experienced it before"
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
spiral cedar
It's interesting to read John Brooks praise the Admiralty Fire Control Table Mark I as a decade ahead of its time and incorporating the best features of the Dreyer, Ford, and Pollen systems, and then state that with it it still took Rodney 18 salvos to straddle Bismarck
Towards the end of the battle one of the operators accidentally kicked it and caused some rotating parts to damage themselves, forcing the entire system to revert to the old WWI style Vickers clock backup
There can be no doubt that, in the action with Bismarck, Rodney's AFCT Mark I was unable to function entirely as its designers had intended. The accidental breakdown was the final straw; as Admiral Crawford remarked many years later:
Here we were with all this complicated machinery, where we opened fire on a guessed range and finished off with our fire control instruments back nearly forty years.
frigid karma
>>> There can be no doubt that, in the action with *Bismarck*, *Rodney*'s AFCT M...
maybe the original sentence stated that the 'design' was ahead of its time, but not the performance?
that would fit in more with the quote you posted
spiral cedar
No, the table was fine
frigid karma
no i know what i meant was
spiral cedar
The inputs were bad
frigid karma
what brooks's original praise meant
spiral cedar
Vanguard's Mark 10 fire control table, the very last battleship fire control table the UK ever made, used Ford integrators rather than Pollen
tough quail
"fuck it, as good as a chance as any to try out this parachute, never experience...
wouldnt be surprised if he gets into shit for that
you only get to eject so many times before you're just grounded permanently
given it uh
warps your spine
junior trench
35B auto ejects if the lift fan fails while in hover afaik
because if the fan fails and engine is still running the nose is going to fall, like in that vid
and if you're not right over the ground that means any delay to eject will just send you into the floor
ivory ridge
kindred reef
own a leopard 1 for self defense
cinder escarp
in raw thickness, technically less
ivory ridge
Technically older than 20 years + it doesnt mention current events so it should be fine
strong plank
surely they wouldn't mind us doing it again then
kindred reef
good luck
thanks! I doubt that a home burglar will be pulling up in a IS-3 so ill be fine
tough quail
you never know
shrewd pecan
cover yourself in AMAP
dusty kraken
cover your house in ERA since you'll never know when it's gonna get hit by chemical rounds
tough quail
get that weird ukrainian sensor activated shit
tepid mulch
solid mango
Just some Denver 5" gun... I also dont know, go have fun with it
spiral cedar
jolly salmon
Did you know that After arriving in Normandy in early June 1944, the USS Texas and the British cruiser HMS Glasgow (C21) entered the Omaha Beach western fire support lane near Pointe du Hoc. She was one of 702 ships in the US-British flotilla, and one of just seven battleships.Texas began firing 14-inch shells in support of the 29th Infantry Division and the 2nd and 5th Ranger Battalions. Within a span of just 34 minutes, she’d fired 255 shells – a shocking comparison to the 300 the vessel had fired during the entirety of Operation Torch. Texas then shifted her focus to more inland targets as the Allies moved from the landing beaches. Just 2,700 meters from shore, the battleship continued to bombard German positions throughout June 7-8.After briefly returning to England, Texas arrived back in Normandy on June 15. By then, the Allied forces had already pushed farther inland and out of her range; the ship’s large guns couldn’t aim high enough to launch shells where they were needed. As fire missions continued to be requested, the crew needed to think outside the box. If the port side guns couldn’t be raised any further, then the starboard side needed to be lowered.
To lower the starboard side, the crew intentionally flooded the torpedo blister, lowering Texas an extra two degrees into the water. This was just the right angle for the battleship’s guns to fire accurately and complete the mission. Most vessels would never voluntarily flood part of their hull, but this daring move embodied the spirit the Allied forces showed at Normandy, which allowed for the operation to be victorious.
jolly salmon
Ok I just thought to share some history that's all
spiral cedar
It is a noteworthy part of her career, nothing wrong with wanting to share that. What is perhaps less well known is that the Royal Navy commonly utilized the same tactic back in WWI to extend the range of their bombardment missions
eternal veldt
Wasn't Baden also intentionally listed as a target ship?
spiral cedar
As the British no longer have any museum battleships, whereas Texas is one, her side of the story continues to be retold as others are forgotten
jolly salmon
True
alpine onyx
When you only have 15° barrel elevation you have to compensate somehow
subtle prawn
kindred reef
As the British no longer have any museum battleships, whereas Texas is one, her ...
belfast?
what is belfast?
kindred reef
Wait I thought she had to be a heavy cruiser at least
junior trench
spring briar
literally
kindred reef
She looks big compared to everything else in london
junior trench
Vanguard spending most of her short life as a jumped up royal yacht
eternal veldt
They have a massive debt to pay, and battleship upkeep is immensely expensive
kindred reef
I thought that ship class was based on displacement
spring briar
oh dear, no
eternal veldt
Belfast is saved only because the only other candidate is rotting away and is deemed irreparable
spring briar
displacement was a point of distinction in the WNT iirc
eternal veldt
The role and gun caliber of the vessel determines the classification of a ship type
kindred reef
So then why are the Deutschland class heavy cruisers and not battlecruisers?
They have the same guns as Gneisenau class
eternal veldt
junior trench
they don't
eternal veldt
The Deutschland class were first classified as Panzerschiffe - i.e. Armoured ships
They were only classified as Heavy cruisers after the outbreak of war
delicate beacon
Hence they can put 28cms on heavy cruisers. Not that it was a good idea.
Ship classification is quite artificial
spring briar
They have the same guns as Gneisenau class
also just to be correct
Dland uses 11"/52's and the scharnhorsts use 11"/54.5
kindred reef
Germany didn't sign
I thought I remembered hearing something about the hippers being built to the treaty limit
eternal veldt
spring briar
LNT?
eternal veldt
Most of the time, ships around the world meet enough of the criteria to fit in these categories
both LNT and WNT
Belfast fits snugly under (a)
i.e. Light Cruiser
junior trench
the Hippers are absurdly overwight
eternal veldt
I thought I remembered hearing something about the hippers being built to the tr...
Yea, no, they're grossly overweight compared to the treaty signing powers' cruisers, most of which are around 10,000 tons.
junior trench
and are also hilariously underperforming for their tonnage
eternal veldt
A hipper weights 16,000 tons.
kindred reef
why did they only do 203mm for the hippers?
junior trench
because the Hippers were built under the Anglo-German naval treaty
which basically subjected Germany to the WNT/LNT regime
but also allowed Germany to expand their fleet without France being consulted
spring briar
(it also tricked them into building more conventional ships which could more easily be dealt with)
all for the low cost of one Hood
kindred reef
(it also tricked them into building more conventional ships which could more eas...
yea because when I think of conventional warships, I definitely think of german ones
spring briar
bismarck and the hippers were a german attempt of doing what other navies were doing under the WNT and LNT
better to deal with those than letting them build a bunch more Dlands that can deal with treaty CA's
and have the range to harass outposts
and merchants
kindred reef
but the Bismarcks were a bad idea like who on earth needs 15 inch guns
spring briar
k
kindred reef
they should have just built more u-boats and invested in a good torpedo bomber
eternal veldt
Are you aware that Germany attempted to contend with Britain in terms of capital ships?
There's a reason the nutcases cranked ship production up to 11 and come up with crack pipe dreams like these.
kindred reef
would've definitely saved them
/s
Idk about that but they definitely would have held out for longer
spring briar
Idk about that but they definitely would have held out for longer
yeah no
more submarine production means less surface ships to evacuate soldiers from east prussia
less soldiers in germany propper
eternal veldt
As we have previously noted in our running assessments, each of the seven phases listed above resulted in a German failure. Contrary to the accepted wisdom or mythology:
• U-boats never even came close at any time to cutting the vital North Atlantic lifeline to the British Isles.
• There was not the slightest possibility that, had they only come into play earlier, U-boats equipped with snorkels or the new type XXI and XXIII electro boats, with their high sprint speed, could have won the Battle of the Atlantic or significantly intervened against Allied shipping.
Figures support the first contention. During the period under examination, from September 1942 to May 1945, according to American and British sources,* the Allies sailed 953 convoys east and west on the North and Middle Atlantic runs. These convoys were composed of 43,526 merchant ships. Of these, 272 were sunk by U-boats. Ninety-nine point four (99.4) percent of all Allied merchant ships sailing in North Atlantic convoys in this period reached their destinations intact.
see here.
kindred reef
more submarine production means less surface ships to evacuate soldiers from eas...
The soviets will just sink them all with their fast torpedoes anyway
spring briar
oh and guess where most of the german U boat bases were located at the end of the war
kindred reef
France
spring briar
it starts with east and ends in prussia
eternal veldt
These are derived from U-boat sailings to American waters from December 18, 1941, through August 31, 1942.
• The Germans mounted 184 war patrols: 80 by Type IXs and 104 by Type VIIs. This was an average of about twenty sailings per month, a much heavier commitment of force than usually depicted.
• These boats sank 609 ships for 3.1 million gross tons, including all trawlers, small auxiliaries, and sailing vessels as well as ships sunk en route to and from the Americas. This was an average of about sixty-eight vessels a month for about 350,000 tons.The ships sunk in the campaign in the Americas in this period constitute about one-quarter of all Allied shipping sunk by German U-boats in World War II. Thus, the campaign was the single most important of the war in terms of sinkings achieved in a relatively brief time period for effort expended—the high-water mark of the U-boat war. Only about six of the 184 patrols to American waters in this period resulted in no sinkings or damage to Allied shipping. Moreover, German losses were relatively modest: twenty-two U-boats (ten IXs and twelve VIIs). Of the approximately 1,000 submariners manning these boats, only about 200 survived, 114 of these as POWs.
kindred reef
Oh I thought it would be france to be closer to britain
eternal veldt
build more uboats, I'm sure it'll be effective
kindred reef
I think the germans failed because you cant fight america and the Soviet union at once and hope to win
eternal veldt
How to not lose the war, very simple
Don't be a genocidal regime running on an economy that is bound to burst and effectively a pyramid scheme
kindred reef
if they stopped at france they may still be around, albeit with a less totalitarian government
delicate beacon
No
eternal veldt
Are you advocating for the existence of the Third Reich?
spring briar
if they stopped at france they would've still been rekt lol
delicate beacon
Invading Russia only drained their resources faster.
kindred reef
Are you advocating for the existence of the Third Reich?
nah just saying they made way too many enemies that they honestly didnt need to make and spread their resources way too thin
spring briar
especially for smth as stupid as lebenstaum
eternal veldt
or, more importantly, taking its population and putting them in concentration camps?
kindred reef
Just don't go invading other people, perhaps?
Yeah but Hitler was a paranoid madman, I dont think you can win a war with one of those at all lol
eternal veldt
And he shouldn't
kindred reef
madman hitler argument
He was on so many drugs bro
kindred reef
What are you talking about
delicate beacon
Clichés
kindred reef
do you people believe Hitler was a sane person
spring briar
he was sane enough to last for 5 years in a war that he really should have lost in the first year
his generals loved blaming him post war in order to shove their own mistakes on him
manic latch
Invading Russia only drained their resources faster.
It was also the reason why Stalin never ever expected Germany to do that
spring briar
ofc he made mistakes but the madman hitler argument is just trying to clear the name of sooooo many nazis it isn't even funny
kindred reef
there was no reason to invade the Soviet union, but why did he do it then?
manic latch
No clue for me either
spring briar
because he expected a win in 13 weeks
judging from their performance in Finland
remote monolith
maybe because the literal endgoal for Nazism is to eradicate Communism in every way
and because he despised Slavs
and because of his own Lebensraum propaganda
kindred reef
I dont understand lebensraum
spring briar
imagine
germans and overestimating themselves
eternal veldt
Baku was quite rich with oil IIRC, hence the whole idea for Fall Blau.
kindred reef
There was already enough living space in Germany right?
manic latch
Soviet Union expected France to hold for a long time. And would likely invade Germany when they are weak
spring briar
There was already enough living space in Germany right?
yes
but that's what dumb esoteric bullshit race theory does to a mf
remote monolith
There was already enough living space in Germany right?
yes, but unfortunately not what the Nazis think, because they wanted more land to shit out more kids which in theory would overwhelm the Slavs through numbers
eternal veldt
Wasn't one of the core beliefs that, given that Slavs are an inferior race, their land belonged to the more superior race, the "Aryans", and thus, Germany should sought out and eliminate the slavs for the Germanic people?
manic latch
Also communism and Nazism cannot co exist. If you don't stop Union then it will stop you later.
It was just foolish to attack when British is at your back
remote monolith
Wasn't one of the core beliefs that, given that Slavs are an inferior race, thei...
and that too
weak race doesn't deserve all those lands
eternal veldt
the so-called untermensch
remote monolith
so they should be ours
kindred reef
but that's what dumb esoteric bullshit race theory does to a mf
why did they think they were superior they got beat by the Americans and Brits 20 years before?
spring briar
gets beaten by the untermensch
eternal veldt
Because of one thing: The backstabbing legend
remote monolith
why did they think they were superior they got beat by the Americans and Brits 2...
easy, they popularized the backstabbing legend
kindred reef
Why?
eternal veldt
Germany's armies in WW1 were not utterly defeated, in fact, Germany itself in WW1 was never occupied by the Allied Forces
junior trench
well
manic latch
why did they think they were superior they got beat by the Americans and Brits 2...
Hitler blamed the generals of ww1 and inside forces
remote monolith
the idea that Germany almost won in WWI if only Leftists and Jews didn't backstab the army in the back
eternal veldt
Thus, the population believed that the German army was "backstabbed" by the jews of the government
junior trench
except for that part where the military was collapsing and the Allies were crossing the Rhine
but yes, the story was that Germany wasn't actually defeated on the field of battle
eternal veldt
Now you add the half-arsed Treaty of Versailles on the table
Germany has to pay a hefty sum, and get the blame for starting WW1
But not more than that, no extremely harsh punishments, like partitioning the country into different zones
junior trench
Versailles was too lenient
not too harsh
and what terms there were weren't enforced
kindred reef
Thus, the population believed that the German army was "backstabbed" by the jews...
but why would they say that they couldn't have had any evidence so why did anyone believe them?
junior trench
because the UK kept trying to stop anyone from getting primacy on the continent
and kept letting Germany get away with fucking with the reparations
kindred reef
Versailles was too lenient
I think Versailles was fine except for the money
junior trench
lol
eternal veldt
The German population was receiving news that the Army was winning, and with no sign of trouble in their homelands, they had no reason to doubt such information
eternal veldt
then come the sudden news of the armistice and that their army lost the war
as in, destruction and occupation, bad phrasing.
Compared to areas like Northern France, shell ridden and all infrastructure destroyed
remote monolith
its very easy to convince people who never actually got their cities sieged out that the war was almost won
spring briar
germany was largely untouched by world war one
the population felt like they had been forced to surrender while they still had fight left/were able to win
many economists also used the treaty of versailles to popularize the war guilt myth
and many inflated the amount of reparations they had to pay
then the people suffered from the market collapse and also blamed it on versailles
also in terms of money
germany had to pay less than france had to pay after the franco prussian war
eternal veldt
IIRC Germany sabotaged themselves even harder
remote monolith
plus Germany was not a stranger to scapegoating certain groups for disasters
eternal veldt
especially over Ruhr
remote monolith
coughPogromscough
spring briar
france paid off the reparations
was angry for 10 years
then was fine
germany never paid shit
kindred reef
germany had to pay less than france had to pay after the franco prussian war
then why did it hurt them way more?
junior trench
germany tried to pay off reparations via hyperinflation
spring briar
and started another war
junior trench
that's why it hurt
then the UK let them pay off reparations via trade
which means they aren't actually paying anything
and Germany tried to weasel out of that
remote monolith
by the late 20s Germany was actually already well above prewar standards
junior trench
then the UK readjusted again
and Germany tried to weasel out by taking loans from the US
remote monolith
because surprise, not having to pay a humongous army ease out on the pocket
aaaand then the depression happened
eternal veldt
There is also a critical piece written by the economist, Keynes
junior trench
and yes, depression and the US calling on Germany to pay back the loans
fierce sparrow
So... when will the USN ever going to name Long Island in the 21st Century... on any warship
eternal veldt
There is also a critical piece written by the economist, Keynes
basically showing that the Versailles is enforcing "Carthaginian peace", enforced a "muh poor Germany, Versailles ruined the country" theory
junior trench
tl;dr, German suffering under versailles was self-inflicted
because germany tried to weasel their way out of the terms
in the worst ways possible
kindred reef
I still think I would have been better to divide it up into occupation zones like in ww2
remote monolith
would have been far worse than that if the French got their way
autumn sorrel
But who will occupy Germany?
eternal veldt
basically showing that the Versailles is enforcing "Carthaginian peace", enforce...
and subsequent leniency towards the payment
amongst Wilsonianism and as Reina mentioned, British interests
kindred reef
But who will occupy Germany?
Same countries as ww2
remote monolith
unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, the British and the Americans were more interested in leniency
spring briar
would have been far worse than that if the French got their way
if only
eternal veldt
France was quite outraged at Keyne's piece, IIRC
autumn sorrel
Imagine French occupy Germany and the second the French leave, German will become more militarized faster
spring briar
rightfully so
junior trench
the US leniency was looking for ways to actually make the payments happen
autumn sorrel
Same countries as ww2
The Soviet?
eternal veldt
Especially since Northern France is basically a wasteland
spring briar
keynes blamed everything on the treaty
remote monolith
Same countries as ww2
you mean the Americans, the British, the French, and the nonexistent Russian Empire?
junior trench
the British leniency was power plays
hoping they could keep playing the French and Germans against each other
kindred reef
The Soviet?
and america, Britain, and france
remote monolith
during war's end everybody hated the Soviets
manic latch
and america, Britain, and france
Ok Soviet Union is iffy because they were "bandit" for ww1 countries since Tsar Empire literally died. They already make their special peace with Germany to avoid getting invaded by them
autumn sorrel
American still in the isolation phase
eternal veldt
Bainville and Mantoux tried to rebutt Keynes' theory, but it didn't meet the global success as Keynes did
autumn sorrel
Brit don't want France to become too dominant
eternal veldt
and up to now I still have to deal with the shit in our history textbooks that "muh poor Germany, Versailles ruined it"
fucking angry
remote monolith
Congress didn't even let Wilson join the League of Nations
spring briar
Bainville and Mantoux tried to rebutt Keynes' theory, but it didn't meet the glo...
Keynesian economy doesn't exist anymore for a reason
remote monolith
Bainville and Mantoux tried to rebutt Keynes' theory, but it didn't meet the glo...
and then Mantoux ended up dying in WWII
junior trench
Keynes wasn't wrong... when he stuck to his lane
manic latch
Only way to fix Germany was getting the right guy on top I guess
autumn sorrel
Well, they try with Weimar but the old guard and the old element of the Army still there
spring briar
it's funny how easily germany could have paid off the debts of versailles
autumn sorrel
So good luck with Democracy
spring briar
funny thing
germany had so little to pay back
belgium got absolutely nothing
they had to rebuild their entire economy from scratch
but boohoo germany suffers
disgusting
autumn sorrel
They could try a sensible and long-planned payoff scheme but I guess printing money sound less more appealing
spring briar
funniest counter argument I hear
"the allies blockaded germany in WW1"
"thousands of germans died"
wait so you're telling me if your country attacks other countries for no reason
you get reprimanded???
desert agate
Mmmaayybe they should have tried not losing
eternal veldt
Brink of starvation was quite right for Germany though, by 1918
desert agate
That would work
delicate beacon
The allies blockading the Dutch though 
desert agate
But they're germans
eternal veldt
Ersatz food of all kind was popping up
eternal veldt
Hit, go back drinking
eternal veldt
Ersatz food? Is that the bread with sawdust
meat with potato and vegetables, IIRC
manic latch
Kinda impressive US managed to stay uhh innocent on comparable levels on 20th century
autumn sorrel
meat with potato and vegetables, IIRC
That's Ersatz?
autumn sorrel
I know 'Ersatz' meaning, I can speak German
spring briar
Here we go
we should totally keep trying to invade france
autumn sorrel
Just a bit rusty
eternal veldt
That's Ersatz?
Yea, meat, coffee, and I think bread?
I forgot which one used potatoes as substitute
Right, eggs, as listed above
autumn sorrel
You know, I considered the sausage one to be the greatest Ersatz offence
eternal veldt
What a blockade does to a mf
desert agate
Currywurst
manic latch
Currywurst
autumn sorrel
Correct if I am wrong but Bismarck want to ally with Brit but Wilhelm just complete opposite?
desert agate
Boerwors I love
eternal veldt
Doesn't quite compare to the dreadful conditions of Leningrad though, I'm sure.
spring briar
Currywurst
ersatz meat
desert agate
Boerwors
spring briar
boerworst
desert agate
Stfu
spring briar
not boerwors
manic latch
Doesn't quite compare to the dreadful conditions of Leningrad though, I'm sure.
If they havent had cannibals
Then ye
spring briar
fake dutch
desert agate
I'll sent you to Cape town
eternal veldt
mhm. Sawdust, and rations.
desert agate
Eish
spring briar
glad I could vent about Versailles
I needed that
eternal veldt
But still, main problem is that there's little utter destruction of the population unlike the frontlines
manic latch
Doesn't quite compare to the dreadful conditions of Leningrad though, I'm sure.
Winter actually saved Leningrad. If this lake didnt froze, then resources would literally only by Airdrop
eternal veldt
So, "why are we defeated?"
spring briar
ye
big issue
people thinking they deserve something better
while they got off lightly
spring briar
we only tried to murder france and russia
can't be that bad right?
look we only destroyed belgium a little
👼
where is our next UR
dark spade
So what did cv10 do different in from cv12
desert agate
Sex
spring briar
yes spon
eternal veldt
Manjuu bias
autumn sorrel
What I found funny the most is that the Kaiser pet project, the navy, who were favored by the kaiser was the first to revolt. Then when they go to Scapa, they turn red so fast that Richter can't even get a sound sleep due to his own sailor insubordination.
eternal veldt
Giving SCB refit to one, and leaving the other one not having it
dark spade
From what I remember they stuck together in WWII but after the war they split
eternal veldt
That's the problem, now go ask the devs why they did it
autumn sorrel
Is this about the SCB-19?
eternal veldt
SCB-27 and 125, the modernization upgrade to the sexes, yes
autumn sorrel
Drach just make a video on this, I only know about this through him.
junior trench
I'd suggest expanding your sources
autumn sorrel
I would, when I have time
spring briar
krem...
eternal veldt
manic latch
She got scrapped
kindred reef
Actually?
autumn sorrel
Some said she got scrap to spite Halsey
kindred reef
Did they hate him?
eternal veldt
Enteprise did receive various kinds of modernisation in her lifetime
kindred reef
Wasnt he the midway guy?
eternal veldt
Including changes to AA armament and the reworking of her island bridge structure
autumn sorrel
Did they hate him?
The Typhoon incident alone would earn him a lot of hate
eternal veldt
But nothing as drastic as seen as the Essex class carriers
eternal veldt
Some sailors supported Enterprise getting scrapped
autumn sorrel
Wasnt he the midway guy?
No, he is in charge in the south at the time
manic latch
I thought enterprise was in service until the 1980s
That's Enty 2
eternal veldt
The thought of Enterprise being "defiled by visitors" isnt nice
kindred reef
The thought of Enterprise being "defiled by visitors" isnt nice
?
eternal veldt
But really, the most easily accepted reason is just that keeping a carrier afloat needs money
Which the crew failed to raise to buy from the navy
Therefore, to the scrapyard
autumn sorrel
Which is very sad day
eternal veldt
The traditional saying remains true
Its not the initial cost of a ship that breaks you
Its the upkeep and maintenance
The Sullivans is in a pretty terrible shape, and Texas was also in such state until recently drydocked
autumn sorrel
Look at Texas, they have the fund but it barely enough to keep the old girl in shape
eternal veldt
Sullivans is bad to the point that if you drop a wrench, it'd punch clean through the bottom
It's fucking awful
frigid karma
Didnt enterprise get a retrofit
Several?
kindred reef
I thought enterprise got a nuclear power
eternal veldt
Technically yes
frigid karma
Go read uss enterprise cv6 Wikipedia page first at least
eternal veldt
If any drydocking is considered a retrofit
manic latch
I thought enterprise got a nuclear power
Dude that's dif Enty
frigid karma
Because cost and ship was too broken
autumn sorrel
We haven't reach Kirk's Enty just yet
eternal veldt
You know what, given current AL developments
Give me Yamato
Then a Yamato II with massive planet deleting weapons
There, we win, game can shut down, happy ending
autumn sorrel
We haven't got Amagi the CV yet, you need to wait for a few more yr
remote monolith
We haven't reach Kirk's Enty just yet
praying with my entire being for the first spaceship to be named NNC 1701
kindred reef
I hope they dont add space shuttles to azur lane
kindred reef
I want it to never advance past the late 1950s
eternal veldt
We already kinda did
kindred reef
?
somber knoll
UCHUU SENKAN YAMATOOOOO
kindred reef
Why dont they add more early cold war ships?
somber knoll
well that means hundreds more URs /s
Post-WW2 hull: NU
50/60s refit: REAL SHIT
like
Ez Garibaldi UR missile refit
somber knoll
twilit plume
_Ez Garibaldi UR missile refit_
it can be done since two chinese destroyers got the missile retrofit
:hornetwoke:
celest fractal
I see a Tomcat
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
undy alt spotted
spring briar
DCS
somber knoll
spring briar
1949 was so based
somber knoll
I like how the D load variant of the Lebel practically became the template for the next cartridges until Mle. 1949 came along.
somber knoll
"If it ain't broke don't fix it."
spring briar
sir this is history
spring briar
somber knoll
rip notes
spring briar
Le old bullet
shrewd pecan
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933487968637833216/1016027486825496716/...
Compressor stall be like
somber knoll
wtf. Le Armee you have one job.
ivory ridge
somber knoll
what book/article is this from?
Towards a "600 m" lightweight General Purpose Cartridge, part 1, by Emeric Danlau, 2017.
spring briar
nice
somber knoll
I'm skimming it rn. will read in full detail in the morning
spring briar
you got the pdf?
somber knoll
enjoy
spring briar
I will
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
slender meadow
So CV-10 CV-12 and USS Cabot were tagged as the carriers to sink Yamato
kindred reef
the tornado for germany is way cooler why did you post that?
ivory ridge
Do you want a serious response or do you want the asshole version in line with your tone
kindred reef
serious
ivory ridge
because i dont care about germany and it's a funny french plane
it was also for richy in particular
kindred reef
france navy could be coming to warthunder
idk it was leak and they arent always reliable
oh nvm it was actually found in the game files
spiral cedar
I thought enterprise got a nuclear power
CVN-65 is different from CV-6
tough quail
I love the lil plane
funny little guy
junior trench
Oh no
The Luftwaffe used it as well
Praying it doesn't somehow end up in Germany's tree as well
spring briar
Most reasonable WT player
unborn wyvern
https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-22068342
kindred reef
Praying it doesn't somehow end up in Germany's tree as well
no worries (probably) seeing as Germany has their own float planes, although it would be cool
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
||perspective jebaited me, i didnt notice the second ship||
Also it's the first time i realize where the VLS cells are, i thought they would be next to the island
shrewd pecan
angle deck
desert agate
Straight than tme
eternal veldt
huh, looking deeper into the SCB refits of the 
s, and turns out it's a rabbit hole of confusion 
SCB-27As (green outline) - mostly uniform deck shape
SCB-27Cs (orange outline) - first three were different (Hancock, Intrepid, Ticonderoga), and each had slight variations
spring briar
what's SCB stand for
eternal veldt
Ship Characteristics Board
spring briar
I see
eternal veldt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_Characteristics_Board pretty long list of SCBs too.
Bonnie Dick, Lexington, Shangri-La all had an elevator much more forward compared to the first 3 of the SCB-27Cs 
And then there's Oriskany herself being special
valid trout
And then there's Oriskany herself being special
and being sunk as an artificial reef
manic latch
Its worse when you know bullets will come for that position
Given you will be facing the enemy plane
silent spruce
Given you will be facing the enemy plane
Or potentially getting crushed during a crash landing if a malfunction occured
tough quail
yeah i think i'd honestly rather just get shot outright than get in there
at least its over faster
that shits terrifying
manic latch
Yo @spring briar
Gaijin confirmed Yamato one day
And said they started fact checking her info 1 year ago
So there is a chance she coming before France navy 
spring briar
that's alright
manic latch
@tough quail Su-27 and F-15 
tough quail
lads
spark rover
Are the new ships accurate with real life ones?
Like is there actually a yorktown II irl?
strong plank
There were Essex-class carriers named after Yorktown, Hornet, and Lexington
However these were completely different ships, sharing only their name with the original
Yorktown and Hornet still exist today as museums
but once again, these aren’t the same ships, just Essex-class that were given the same name
eternal ridge
But is it? I'm asking, because for example the Hornet II looks just like Hornet, which is weird, if it should be completely different class of CVs...
strong plank
USS Hornet (CV/CVA/CVS-12) is an Essex-class aircraft carrier built for the United States Navy (USN) during World War II. Completed in late 1943, the ship was assigned to the Fast Carrier Task Force (variously designated as Task Force 38 or 58) in the Pacific Ocean, the navy's primary offensive force during the Pacific War.
eternal ridge
But did they actually stated somewhere, that the first one is CV-8 and the new one is CV-12?
strong plank
The game is handling it in a really poor way
mellow dove
We'll just have to wait for the in-game story on how they're handling them
strong plank
They took the original version and slapped new rigging onto her while keeping her the same character
Which is very misleading, if not just straight up wrong, if you know the irl history
eternal ridge
Yeah...
valid trout
<@84008086733324288> Su-27 and F-15 <a:Rossiya_Pet:778204874550542348>
what the hell is going on here
manic latch
what the hell is going on here
1990s. Russia and US was friendliest
Had such visits to each other
Navy as well. Let me find
valid trout
ohhhh so post USSR but before Putins time? as leader
shrewd pecan
shrewd pecan
essentially the time period the west was trying to be friendly with Russia and before a certain someone entered power
fierce sparrow
certain someone... ohdear
valid trout
essentially the time period the west was trying to be friendly with Russia and b...
and when this certain someone entered power, the relationships between russia and the US turned from semi-friendly to sour
manic latch
Like here is US sailors parading near Marshal Ustinov
shrewd pecan
and when this certain someone entered power, the relationships between russia an...
depends, he was close with George W, tho things started souring after Georgia was invaded by Russia
valid trout
Like here is US sailors parading near Marshal Ustinov
this would be so misleading for someone who didn't know about the friendly relationships they had pre putin
valid trout
depends, he was close with George W, tho things started souring after Georgia wa...
isnt georgia still slowly being invaded peacefully or has it stopped?
shrewd pecan
👁️ tho I don’t think the mods would permit a discussion on a certain someone’s ideological beliefs in Russian fascism
shrewd pecan
isnt georgia still slowly being invaded peacefully or has it stopped?
Georgia has two break away states that are currently occupied by Russia
they attempted to reclaim them in 2008 which resulted in Georgia being invaded by Russia
valid trout
oh boy This certain leader of russia sure does have a liking for invading other countries ;-;
valid trout
they attempted to reclaim them in 2008 which resulted in Georgia being invaded b...
georgia was reclaiming it peacefully i assume?
shrewd pecan
It’s been a long tradition for Russia to cause ethnic conflicts in its “sphere of influence” to give them a excuse to invade them later
shrewd pecan
georgia was reclaiming it peacefully i assume?
no they were using military force to do so
valid trout
It’s been a long tradition for Russia to cause ethnic conflicts in its “sphere o...
"special operation"
valid trout
no they were using military force to do so
ok that makes sense for the invasion
manic latch
this would be so misleading for someone who didn't know about the friendly relat...
For sure. Marshal Ustinov's visit to US was start of big hopes
shrewd pecan
Georgians did decently well in the initial ambushes against the Russians tho didn’t really have the military might to hold back the invasion
manic latch
For sure. Marshal Ustinov's visit to US was start of big hopes
This is likely the closest distance a Soviet and US ship ever got together in friendly manner
valid trout
For sure. Marshal Ustinov's visit to US was start of big hopes
that is something you dont usually see. a US carrier next to a russian cruiser
manic latch
that is something you dont usually see. a US carrier next to a russian cruiser
Even bigger irony when that cruiser was designed against it
valid trout
Even bigger irony when that cruiser was designed against it
if a war broke out between the 2 countries during this visit, think of what would happen
manic latch
Don't think you make those when such visits are taking place
Kinda shame American flag is fucking dead here. Would have been cool shot if it was visible to wind
valid trout
Don't think you make those when such visits are taking place
cus it would have a high chance of civilian casualties
valid trout
Kinda shame American flag is fucking dead here. Would have been cool shot if it ...
was this was during the visit?
manic latch
was this was during the visit?
Yes. Soviet Union was just collapsed so navy didn't change its flag yet
This photo is taken by American ship welcoming Ustinov to the Norfolk
valid trout
ah just had a quick check, Moskva(sunk this year) was of the same class
manic latch
ah just had a quick check, Moskva(sunk this year) was of the same class
Given how unique Slava class looks I'm surprised you didn't know this
valid trout
Given how unique Slava class looks I'm surprised you didn't know this
i havent had looks at pictures of the Moskva, only read about it didnt see any pictures
what was the last visit to the US the russian navy made? the Varyag trip in 2010?
and im wondering why the Ukrainian government hasnt bothered scrapping the Ukrainia yet 
manic latch
what was the last visit to the US the russian navy made? the Varyag trip in 2010...
Hmm. I think so
shrewd pecan
and im wondering why the Ukrainian government hasnt bothered scrapping the Ukrai...
Mixture of wanting to sell her combined with other focuses elsewhere
manic latch
and im wondering why the Ukrainian government hasnt bothered scrapping the Ukrai...
I think they hoped to sell it like Varyag carrier
China had an offer but didn't said yes. Bought the carrier instead
But as you can imagine. Not many demands for an anti carrier focused but very old cruiser that will need shitton of refit and repairs
It would help her better to become a museum before she literally rots to sinking level
valid trout
Ah ok
manic latch
Tho I doubt anyone can afford it
strong plank
if a war broke out between the 2 countries during this visit, think of what woul...
They’d probably seize the vessel
crew would either be detained or sent home somehow, probably the former
manic latch
Yeah its either seize, scuttle or uhh suicidal level fight?
strong plank
Don’t think either party would be keen on fighting in that situation
manic latch
Yep
valid trout
Yeah its either seize, scuttle or uhh suicidal level fight?
Suicidal level fight would be the Japanese during WW2
manic latch
That's why no nation would wage war when their ships are inside the fucking enemy borders
They will%100 lose them
valid trout
Does Russia currently have any mordern ships that aren’t Cold War era refits?
manic latch
Does Russia currently have any mordern ships that aren’t Cold War era refits?
Admiral Gorshkov class would be an example
humble mulch
Well you could gun boat policy it but that’s totally different
You don’t want to start hostilities, while less then 50m from literally an enemy ship, like that peace visit
It’s rather hard to even start a war in that manner as well
valid trout
Admiral Gorshkov class would be an example
Ah ok
Btw did the US make any of these type of visits to Russia?
manic latch
Btw did the US make any of these type of visits to Russia?
USS Yorktown (CG-48) in Severomorsk
And a majestic Kirov class sailing near 
shrewd pecan
wonder if that was the one with the reactor leak
manic latch
First 2 Kirovs were
strong plank
Iirc there was at least one case of like
valid trout
Ahh beautiful
strong plank
A Russian crew coming to Norfolk for a sort of cooperative thing
comparing notes on shipkeeping, that sort of thing
valid trout
How old are the arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga class ?
valid trout
I know that the us navy is still building more arleigh burkes
manic latch
Ahh beautiful
Fun fact. It's the same Yorktown that got "bumped" by Soviet frigate Bezzavetny . So it does mean alot she came in friendly manner
valid trout
Ticons are already on their way out
So getting replaced?
shrewd pecan
by Burkes
strong plank
AEGIS combat system my beloved
valid trout
Fun fact. It's the same Yorktown that got "bumped" by Soviet frigate Bezzavetny ...
Was there a diplomatic issue afterwards or it was just sorted out relatively quickly?
valid trout
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Black_Sea_bumping_incident
So carron and Yorktown were “bumped” and the issue was semi sorted out easily
valid trout
Couldn’t the USSR navy just signalled them first?
strong plank
Think my favorite soviet navy moment is like
I forget exactly when this happened
some US ships were engaged in the Persian gulf
And in the middle of it a soviet sub just popped up and signaled something like “just watching”
shrewd pecan
the soviet ship approaching the American destroyers engaging Iran
and nearly being engaged because it wanted to take photographs
strong plank
That’s the one yeah
valid trout
and nearly being engaged because it wanted to take photographs
If it was engaged that would cause some political problems
manic latch
And in the middle of it a soviet sub just popped up and signaled something like ...
@humble mulch now I see where they got the reference
maiden citrus
One of my favorites
strong plank
Wait was it a destroyer or a sub
manic latch
Man. I always wanted the to see the combination of Soviet designs with US technology
strong plank
Thought it was a sub but I guess I was wrong
valid trout
Man. I always wanted the to see the combination of Soviet designs with US techno...
Kirov class with us nuclear reactor and missiles and radar and stuff
manic latch
Kirov class with us nuclear reactor and missiles and radar and stuff
Hmm yeah.
shrewd pecan
Man. I always wanted the to see the combination of Soviet designs with US techno...
look at the Indian navy
manic latch
look at the Indian navy
You know.. good point
Vikrant will use F18s after all
So first time we will see US fighters except F35 using ramp
valid trout
That would be interesting to see
tough quail
and predictably it looks cool as hell
chilly osprey
I would describe India's navy as more a fusion of Western Europe+ Israeli tech with Soviet tech, than American
manic latch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visakhapatnam-class_destroyer
That's fjcking sexy
fierce sparrow
subtle prawn
tough quail
nimitz continuing to be the coolest of dudes
somber knoll
Nimitz is very based.
spiral cedar
But did they actually stated somewhere, that the first one is CV-8 and the new o...
The JP announcements specifically call her an Essex-class
So they can only be the Essex-class renames
eternal ridge
delicate beacon
SSR BM
manic latch
Flagship of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, battleship Parizhskaya Kommuna departs Sevastopol for Novorossiysk with more than 1000 wounded soldiers aboard and her turrets trained to starboard
valid trout
Flagship of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, battleship Parizhskaya Kommuna departs S...
when was this taken?
manic latch
when was this taken?
December 30, 1941.
valid trout
ah ok
ivory ridge
Australian version of the FREMM that participated and lost in the contest where the british type 26 won
valid trout
Australian version of the FREMM that participated and lost in the contest where ...
ah ok
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
Stealth design and its consequences to modern ships
enhancement of the survivability onion at all costs
manic latch
enhancement of the survivability onion at all costs
Then give armor as well or smh
spring briar
kindred reef
wtf what country put a clock on their ship???
manic latch
wtf what country put a clock on their ship???
France's range clocks
spring briar
Almost all countries did
It’s called a concentration dial
It is to help other ships in a fleet aim according to the bearing shown on the dial
kindred reef
It is to help other ships in a fleet aim according to the bearing shown on the d...
what time period?
spiral cedar
wtf what country put a clock on their ship???
Concentration Dial or Range Clock - In many ship photographs taken between about 1916 and 1940, there are what appear to be large clocks on the front and rear superstructures or masts. These are actually devices to tell the other ships in the formation at what range that ship is firing at. Together with Declination Marks (see below), these mechanisms allowed the other ships in the formation, whose view of the target may be obscured by fog, gun smoke or funnel smoke, to have their guns at the proper elevation and bearing when their view becomes unobstructed. This greatly reduced the time needed before they were ready to fire. The introduction of radar and better ship-to-ship communication methods in the late 1930s eliminated the need for these devices and they were removed from most ships by the start of World War II or shortly thereafter. For the concentration dial shown here, the small hand represents the range in thousands of yards, with 0 = 10,000 yards and 9 = 19,000 yards. The big hand represents range in hundreds of yards.
spring briar
ivory ridge
spark rover
There were Essex-class carriers named after Yorktown, Hornet, and Lexington
okay but is there a yorktown II or hornet II tho? or are they just spawning alters / remodels as new shipgirls now?
strong plank
okay but is there a yorktown II or hornet II tho? or are they just spawning alte...
Who do you think these new characters are
ivory ridge
deez
spiral cedar
Eight ships of the United States Navy have been named USS Hornet, after the stinging insect:
USS Hornet (1775), a 10-gun sloop commissioned in 1775, served in the American Revolutionary War.
USS Hornet (1805 sloop), also a 10-gun sloop, took part in the First Barbary War.
USS Hornet (1805 brig), a brig-rigged sloop-of-war, was launched on 28 July 1805 and sank in a storm on 29 September 1829.
USS Hornet (1813) was a five-gun schooner used as a dispatch vessel between 1814 and 1820.
USS Hornet (1865), the first to be steam propelled, was an iron, side-wheeled steamer.
USS Hornet (1898), a converted yacht, was a dispatch vessel in the Spanish–American War.
USS Hornet (CV-8) launched the Doolittle Raid in 1942, fought at the Battle of Midway, and was sunk at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on 26 October 1942.
USS Hornet (CV-12) was originally named Kearsarge, but renamed in honor of CV-8 and active through the rest of World War II; she is preserved as a museum ship in Alameda, California.
Big Wasp Yo is CV-8
Hornet II is CV-12
spark rover
oooh okay so there exists huh
spiral cedar
USS Yorktown may refer to the following ships of the United States Navy:
USS Yorktown (1839), a 16-gun sloop-of-war commissioned in 1840 (sunk in 1850)
USS Yorktown (PG-1), the lead Yorktown-class gunboat commissioned in 1889 (sold in 1921)
USS Yorktown (CV-5), the lead Yorktown-class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1937 (sunk in 1942)
USS Yorktown (CV-10), an Essex-class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1943 (museum ship since 1975)
USS Yorktown (CG-48), a Ticonderoga-class cruiser commissioned in 1984 (awaiting scrapping)
META is entirely separate
Don't confuse people
eternal veldt
Both of them are literally museum ships
shrewd pecan
🤨 this is just going to devolve into people who lack basic object permanence showing up again isn't it
tough quail
shrewd pecan
I LOVE MY FRONT LANDING GEAR I LOVE MY FRONT LANDING GEAR?
landing time!
where's my front landing gear?
eternal veldt
🤨 this is just going to devolve into people who lack basic object permanence sh...
Not helped by Manjuu's naming convention, tbh.
shrewd pecan
its a shame honestly they went the way they did
they could of made new characters with the legacy of the sunken ships behind them
but eh if you want Yorktown with a bust size 2+ cups sizes larger then I guess you got what you wanted
frigid karma
but eh if you want Yorktown with a bust size 2+ cups sizes larger then I guess y...
I like lewd yorktown and I cannot lie
shrewd pecan
she took a stop at the plastic surgeon before hitting the beach
ivory ridge
kindred reef
I'm going to be overdosing on copium for the next few days.
ivory ridge
Fat fuckers
tough quail
tfw 80 years later, still cant make seaworthy destroyers frigates
tough quail
it's something™️
ivory ridge
Vulcano my beloved
chilly osprey
ironically Lübeck only stuck around so long because of the F125-class's issues
Otherwise she would have retired sooner
shrewd pecan
I will never understand why they designed F125 the way they did
frigate nearly the weight of a burke with none of the armament
tough quail
hold on how the fuck are those heavier than the DZPs
how the actual-
i dont-
what fucking imbecile designed these?
shrewd pecan
Germans
tough quail
good god this is worse than the fucking hippers
the design staff behind this should be stoned to death
shrewd pecan
I mean its mainly a mixture of braindead requirements and bad design resulting from said requirements
tough quail
shrewd pecan
👁️ honestly something that could only be made in post cold war German defense thinking
What they wanted ^
shrewd pecan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg-class_frigate
what they got
tough quail
is half the ship filled with cement????
shrewd pecan
finest krupt paperweights
chilly osprey
F125's are fat because long endurance and, in the name of redundancy, they basically duplicated every system in the ship
dusty kraken
Where did all the competent ship designers go for the Germans after WW1?
shrewd pecan
retirement or the firing squad
chilly osprey
Keep in mind these things are supposed to spend up to two years on deployment
That said
Doesn't really excuse the fact that such lightly armed ships were delivered overweight
Or with a permanent 1.3° list
tough quail
Where did all the competent ship designers go for the Germans after WW1?
fired
like, literally
they basically destroyed the marineamt
shrewd pecan
I mean if the thing was actually well armed enough to justify a ship of its weights
ivory ridge
fired from a cannon
shrewd pecan
🤨 but apparently RBS-15 is all you need
ivory ridge
need more autocannons
chilly osprey
At the time of contract signature it was envisaged that deliveries of the new class would take place from the end of 2014 onwards. This timescale encompassed a considerable period for detailed design work and the keel of the lead ship – Baden-Württemberg – was not formally laid until November 2011. By then, it was already anticipated that delivery of the first ship would be delayed by around fifteen months. Subsequently, difficulties arose during the construction phase. These reportedly included problems with the application of fire-resistant coatings and issues with the integrated platform management system. It also appears that the hull sections produced at different yards did not always precisely match the contours of their counterparts, with differences of up to 25mm on each side of the relevant sections requiring a degree of re-working. As such, it was not until 6 April 2016 that Baden-Württemberg departed Hamburg for the first time to conduct preliminary sea trials in the North Sea.
Shades of Type XXI...
ivory ridge
eternal veldt
revive the Deutschlands, smh
Just don't have Scheer's stupid as fuck armour layout, leave that out
shrewd pecan
```At the time of contract signature it was envisaged that deliveries of the new...
god this is why I hope the Polish-South Korean mega defense industry is able to overtake the Germans
eager dove
ironically F-125 will be dwarfed in displacement by the CSC and Hunter class frigates
CSC is approaching 10,000t fully loaded and Hunter will be over 10,000t loaded
but F-126 might come back for its tonnage record with a vengeance
kindred reef
the bdw's are fine but they look ugly, unlike the Bremens and Kölns
ivory ridge
@chilly osprey wait Fincantieri won the greek contract?
I thought that would go to the french as well
tough quail
langley ii is renamed la fayette in postwar france
wait fuck i didnt realize that
the only non-yorktown and escort ship in the event
is fucking french post war
they're just fucking with me at this point
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
<@301343127229300738> wait Fincantieri won the greek contract?
To my knowledge it's not yet been decided, but is still between Fincantieri and Naval Group as the finalists
tough quail
<a:BurningMurmory:1049545476510318672>
kill me
chilly osprey
Unless some news just dropped to suggest otherwise
chilly osprey
Ah, that's more jockeying for position. They're basically trying to solidify their position for building in Greece if they win, which also makes their offer look better. The French are likewise working with other Greek yards
ivory ridge
spark rover
by giving hornet 2, yorktown 2, and the likes
are they perchance have ran out of ships for this game?
like i could imagine there can only be so much world war 2 ships
strong plank
are they perchance have ran out of ships for this game?
From the US? Fuck no
spark rover
not the us only of course
strong plank
Buddy there were 24 Essex class
spark rover
the whole nation that took part in those wars
spark rover
Buddy there were 24 Essex class
so... we gonna have until essex 23 for example?
strong plank
Like a dozen baltimores
36 Cleveland’s
We are very far from running out of content
strong plank
Not to mention the whopping 175 Fletchers, 58 sumners…
autumn sorrel
Don't forget countless CVE
strong plank
We could go for another decade at the current rate and still not be close to running out
autumn sorrel
AL just barely touch WW2 naval content
spark rover
don't spoiler any of the names but are they different?
but are the names different doe?
autumn sorrel
Depend, USN and RN often recycle name of sinked ship
So you will get new ship but some II version as well
strong plank
The US reused a handful of names
Even without them we’re far from being out of content
strong plank
Like just for the Essex’s
spark rover
like drake's ship
autumn sorrel
Lol, we still have the whole dragon/CN fleet to explore and many smaller nation navy
autumn sorrel
Imagine future UR be that angry Polish DD that charged Bismarck
eternal veldt
We're nowhere near running out of BBs for EU whereas other nations are running into the danger zone, for the record
Here we go again, the Piorun myth/exaggeration
strong plank
Like even just the Essex’s we have Franklin, Randolph, Hancock, Bennington, Boxer, Leyte, Oriskany, Antietam, Tarawa, to name a few
eternal veldt
spark rover
Like even just the Essex’s we have Franklin, Randolph, Hancock, Bennington, Boxe...
i see oka
those are unique names
american loves naming their military technology by their generals
valid trout
they sure do
AL isnt going to run out of ships to put in the game soon
cus there are still the Royal navy ships
eternal veldt
Most of these names are carried as spiritual successors
Randolph, Hancock, Boxer are all names carried by previous ships
US carriers are either names carried by older vessels, famous/large battles, and as of CV-42, presidents
A reminder that the original Midway was a Casablanca-class escort carrier that got told to shove aside and renamed as St.Lo. What happened to that ship afterwards is very well-known.
eternal veldt
Lol, we still have the whole dragon/CN fleet to explore and many smaller nation ...
Also, lolno. The Chinese Navy is nonexistent by WWII, and we're pretty high on copium as it is.
valid trout
A reminder that the original Midway was a Casablanca-class escort carrier that g...
kamikazes go brrrr
eternal veldt
The Commonwealth, the Dutch, the Pan American nations, are all better candidates if we want to go to smaller factions
Hell, do the funny and give me the Swedish Goatland
alpine onyx
With the tale getting even less impressive once the actual exchange of fire between Bisko and Piorun gets looked at
eternal veldt
Real question now is how exaggerated Stord's tale is
closing to 400m as commonly said to dump torpedoes on Scharnhorst seems...embellished.
spring briar
shippe
subtle prawn
spring briar
I almost have enough RB points to get any of the ships (except siegfried)
which should I get
subtle prawn
spring briar
bruh
ivory ridge
🦅 🇺🇸
fierce sparrow
valid trout
bruh
desert agate
Ammnerica
spring briar
are you still drunk?
desert agate
Yeysh
spiral cedar
Leave until you are undrunk
alpine onyx
Put em in a longboat till they're sober
desert agate
Dirunk
spring briar
We know buddy
valid trout
what is going on is Spon drunk?
spring briar
Ye
autumn sorrel
He drunk from yesterday till now?
spring briar
Dunno
valid trout
damn then he is really drunk
tough quail
i love that B-2s are literally just lostech
shrewd pecan
What happens when you only make 20 of the damn things
and leave your strategic bomber fleet with no new aircraft for over 20 years
shrewd pecan
luckily B-21s ahead of schedule and on track
hopefully she’ll see the full extent of her production line
rapid junco
@spiral cedar
Pictures of the 1922 Firing Exercise with the Dreadnoughts... 
Those were like
Unpublished until now
maiden citrus
rapid junco
Although further details about that day i'll only find on the book of Veiga Miranda
subtle prawn
manic latch
https://theatlasnews.co/breakingnews/2022/12/18/thai-royal-navy-vessel-htms-sukh...
76mm OTO
kindred reef
https://theatlasnews.co/breakingnews/2022/12/18/thai-royal-navy-vessel-htms-sukh...
First, the Yorktown (the guided missile cruiser) is getting scrapped Lübeck is set to be scrapped, and now this. What else will happen in this unlucky month?
shrewd pecan
Yorktown has been sitting for years as a spare parts hulk essentially
Now that other ticons are being retired her use as that is running out
chilly osprey
Lot of turnover this year for a number of navies
shrewd pecan
eh we’re in the period where the 90s and 80s ships are reaching the end of their service lives
chilly osprey
Yep
Tbh, it's going to be like this for most of the 2020s
Lot of ships being replaced
shrewd pecan
while there’s always a desire for preservation, with modern advances in automation and design, it’s about time these ships get retired, have their useful bits reused for newer ships and be recycled
rapid junco
Lot of turnover this year for a number of navies
This year
One of our museum ship is almost sunk
I forgot the correct word in English for it...
manic latch
Tashkent is shelling German positions near Sevastopol
delicate beacon
frigid karma
y
shrewd pecan
unborn wyvern
Japan having 3 armored divisions, F-35s and the 3rd largest navy in the pacific and calling it "the tiny weeny self-defense pacifist force"
desert agate
He drunk from yesterday till now?
Week long bender
tribal mortar
unborn wyvern
junior trench
Week long bender
I'd like to bend you over
shrewd pecan
More Cold War promotional posters
shrewd pecan
>Japan having 3 armored divisions, F-35s and the 3rd largest navy in the pacific...
If you see the JSDFs new budget proposals it’s uhhhhhh
moving very much away from pacifism
👁️ to the point where there about to have a defense budget larger than chinas official numbers
unborn wyvern
No no it's for protecting uhh.... the coast! yeah that's it. Btw America can we buy those F-35s that can vertically take off? it's for the Kaiju you see
frigid karma
Hasn’t Japan been pretty explicit about it’s need to take on China for a while now
shrewd pecan
no like generally they’re moving away from pacifism to gaining long range munitions and other shit to counter china
Not only their budget is about to balloon to 300+ billion
There planning on acquiring tomahawks and other long range fires capabilities
Technically making them the second largest military spender world wide if you don’t adjust for chinas numbers
unborn wyvern
shrewd pecan
ah yes the actual maintenance whore
silent spruce
Week long bender
Oz
somber knoll
>Japan having 3 armored divisions, F-35s and the 3rd largest navy in the pacific...
#MakeIJNGreatAgain
kindred reef
~~#MakeIJNGreatAgain~~
bro please no, they ate people
somber knoll
bruh they got all the fish they need
kindred reef
bruh they got all the fish they need
look up "chichijima incident"
somber knoll
I know, but with what they have rn. and an enforced (mostly American) military law in place I don't think they even dare to do it again.
subtle prawn
unborn wyvern
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1604646821527273474
🧠
valid trout
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1604540728126115844
just why did the US Navy give this ship the name "Cowpens"
valid trout
still, who names a town Cowpens ;-;
tribal mortar
There’s a town called dingdong just saying
junior trench
ask the British
tribal mortar
manic latch
