history

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was posted a few hours ago

[tribal mortar]

Can I have a BBG Kentucky

[silver crest]

is it true that a french recon pilot spotted the germans crossing the ardennes before blitzkrieg?

and was ignored by his officer because he didn't believe the pilot?

or is it all bullshit

i can't find a reliable source on the internet anywhere

[thorny jewel]

Kentucky and Illinois was cancelled, so Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin got the Missile refit instead

[valid trout]

yeh its cursed. just read teh devblog about it ;-;

[tough quail]

based*

finally, more actually interesting designs from the weird USN playbook

[tribal mortar]

San Martin with Sea Cats when

[autumn sorrel]

Hey, datamine just come out

When did the USN research on 137mm naval gun?

[subtle prawn]

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-54_mk65.php

This weapon was part of a 1939 - 1940 study on possible replacements for the 5"/38 (12.7 cm) Mark 12. During this study, a variety of guns were investigated for arming a new generation of destroyers, cruisers and battleships.

[lavish fable]

this pains me

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Intrepid iowa and clevelands

[valid trout]

the mass amount of clevelands sitting in the background 🤣

[valid trout]

when was this picture taken?

[spiral cedar]

According to Alamy stock photos, circa 1950

[spiral cedar]

How many are there anyway, like fifteen

I feel like that’s more CLs in one port than most navies had at war’s end

[valid trout]

i counted 17 but idk if im correct

[shrewd pecan]

shame none of the Clevelands got the Brooklyn export treatment

they could of had some interesting modernizations under Latin American or European service

[thorny jewel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_XF5U

[kindred violet]

The flapjack looks so strange but cool at the same time

[thorny jewel]

because this upcoming gear lab equipment was developed from the Vought V-173 "Flying Pancake"

[solid mango]

I can see that Heavy cruiser in the group, u aint hiding with dat 8" / 55 m8 Identify yourself!

[spiral cedar]

which one

[solid mango]

Im pretty sure there are 7 Cleveland class here (also marked the heavy cruiser)

Wait shit forgot the other 3

10 of them

[tribal mortar]

There are Clevelands... then there are the carriers....

[solid mango]

Cleveland got her starboard catapult removed post war for stability purposes (which im guessing also applied to the others) and that CA visibly has them catapults

[solid mango]

Mostly since this has been added to the context

Cant hide from me bitch

[spiral cedar]

Would be the Mark 12 or 15 right since that CA has to be a Baltimore

[solid mango]

Matches up

Anyways thanks for waking me up chat, I now continue to silently watch this server

[valid trout]

lol

[eternal veldt]

copium, anyone?

Though I guess this is more an erroneous report more than anything, and well granted given the increasing retaliation of US vessels

Interesting that Utah was correctly identified here, compared with the more confused battle row identification.

some funny spellings too.

[solid mango]

Its not Baltimore but is a Baltimore class, since it dont have the little thing so its a Mk 15

I suppose

[solid mango]

Blooklyn

[eternal veldt]

Definitely the second batch of the Baltimores (i.e. Not CA-68 to 71).

Only one crane, two tubs. 68-71 had two cranes, one tub.

and on a quick glance on the bofor tub positions, none of the Clevelands there are the earlier hulls -all CL63+, at least.

@spring briar USS Oguasta

The true Augie Maru

[solid mango]

Thx for dis info

Actually quite unsure if thers only 10 here, just assumed it stopped here due to the difference in aft funnels

[solid mango]

I couldn't find any other image relating to this reserve fleet but have some colored pics from Biloxi

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In 1935, the Soviet Navy purchased several 25 mm Bofors M1933 ​​guns from Sweden for comparative testing. The sailors liked the gun, but the 25-mm caliber was considered unsatisfactory. A group of designers led by Mikhail Nikolaevich Loginov (also including I. A. Lyamin and L. V. Lyulyev) was entrusted with the creation of a 45-mm version of the Bofors under the designation 49-K .

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The 49-K gun was successfully manufactured and tested, but now the commission considered that the 45-mm caliber for automatic anti-aircraft guns was still too big. As a result, in January 1938, artillery plant No. 8 in Sverdlovsk (now OAO MZiK in Yekaterinburg) was given the task of developing a new 37-mm automatic anti-aircraft gun based on the same design. The task was again successfully completed by the same Mikhail Loginov (chief designer of the plant) and his assistant Lev Loktev.

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The new automatic gun with a caliber of 37 mm was given the index 61-K and already in October 1938 its first successful firing was carried out.
In 1940, comparative fire tests were carried out between the 61-K automatic anti-aircraft guns and the 40 mm / 56 Bofors gun. No significant differences were found between them.

[junior trench]

The ammunition for this weapon was developed from that used for the USA's Colt-Browning 37 mm. The USA considered the Colt-Browning ammunition to be inferior to that available for the 40 mm Bofors.

These guns were not exceptional weapons, but they worked well enough and they were the main Soviet automatic weapons from 1942 until 1955. Both the Navy and the Army versions were used in almost all of the conflicts of the second half of the 20th century.

[manic latch]

Vietnam also used them during Vietnam War irrc

Twin barrel versions especially

A North Vietnamese K-61 37mm anti-aircraft gun and its crew in action during a USAF air raid on Hanoi. The Vietnam War 1967

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-08/us-australia-and-uk-meet-in-washington-for-aukus/101746970

🍿

[solid mango]

Monty needs some cleaning

[eternal veldt]

What low turret height and no case ejection bags like Turret 2 and Turret 3 does to a mf

[zealous vine]

Holy shit.. Scheme H

Honestly, 12 DM guns don't sound so bad. It's just like the British Battlecruisers, they perform WAY better than they look..

[tough quail]

blessed actually interesting usn proposal

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Richie

Help me raid Bofor's HQ

huh

[eternal veldt]

remember all that discussion about the 5"/38 having blast bags or not? It gets even worse now

Now the same type of turrets on the same ship can opt to have it or not

I'm guessing the lower ones get it because of water ingress, but the question is when is it needed? and what decides how the bag clamps are mounted?

[humble mulch]

Jfc lmao the fact that the lower gun only has 1 is kinda wild

[eternal veldt]

tfw not even the fucking manual says anything about when to use it or not

reeee

[junior trench]

I mean

it's a pretty easy guess to what's going on

they just wear out or get torn away at some point and then aren't replaced regularly while underway or when you have limited time in port

[tough quail]

no i stole them

[strong plank]

The uncircumcised 5”/38

[eternal veldt]

That's the thing, I don't recall if it's in the mark 32 manual or elsewhere that the blast bags are there to prevent water ingress and possible damage to the mount

[solid mango]

Giv em bacc

[tough quail]

nyet

[junior trench]

well your excerpt says there's another system in place to do that anyway

[eternal veldt]

that works in conjunction with the bloomers IIRC.

okay, never mind. I'm gaslighting myself. I'm guessing the bloomers act as an extra layer of protection to help the seal/in case it fails.

[manic latch]

Zhdanov in Taranto

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

@manic latch µ

[manic latch]

Fair fight yes

[spring briar]

YES

[delicate beacon]

SHOOT IT

SHOOT THE CELEBES

[spring briar]

it is done

time to play Kirov

[ivory ridge]

🅱️esare

[spring briar]

I bought that when it was originally released

best purchase ever

[ivory ridge]

i paid 1.5k € for her

[tough quail]

...

excuse me

[manic latch]

Undef where does your income come crom

You are like richest guy in server

[spring briar]

oofw

in the charity event?

[ivory ridge]

Christmas boxes

one year i just

[tough quail]

YIKES

[ivory ridge]

got all the premiums ingame

[spring briar]

do you have Nikolai?

[ivory ridge]

and every year i get all the newly released ones

yeah

[spring briar]

I'm jelly

[manic latch]

Community: WG is just corrupt company for money

Players:

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927786796358697041/933742213295398942/caption-21.gif

[tough quail]

i mean yeah im buying gambling boxes tomorrow too

[manic latch]

Undef I fucking bet you didn't play Bagration once

[spring briar]

big Kirov?

[spring briar]

You can't buy those in Belgium

guess where I live

[ivory ridge]

i did twice, for snowflakes, in coop

[spring briar]

buy me boxes, I'll refund ya

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

please

oh right
soon snowflakes

many steel

[ivory ridge]

tomorrow

[spring briar]

yes yes yes

coop time

let's coop in division

[ivory ridge]

coop isnt worth anymore

if you have a decent amount of ships in your dock

[spring briar]

wdym

[ivory ridge]

you can get multiple snowflakes at the same time by getting enough base exp based on how many ships you have in the dock

[spring briar]

is this a new feature?

[ivory ridge]

yes, they added it with the last weegee anniversary in september

[spring briar]

hmmmmm

suffering in T10 it is

btw you got the list with the content of this years loot boxes?

[ivory ridge]

i do t8 -> t7 in ops first

to get credits

[manic latch]

Hmm

Kinda?

Project X cruiser was the real big Kirov

While Donskoi is big Chapayev

[spring briar]

where lootbox ship content list

@manic latch better?

[manic latch]

Yes

Kinda cute when you know that refit is using Izmail's boilers

[spring briar]

not really

I like the Izmails tho

[spring briar]

@manic latch

Ah... Ohotnik

my beloved

[manic latch]

Chad

[spring briar]

rushes kongo, kills kongo, kills visby and then torpedo rushes oktober revolution

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DsWg8Dm71I

[somber knoll]

I thought the video mentioned other armaments .

Don't think Warthog's 30 mike-mikes can penetrate through current tank armor,

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363791457523597312/1050475430836187196/image.png

Colos

[spring briar]

what

IS THAT N13

[ivory ridge]

no, 410mm guns

[frigid karma]

cologne?

what

who is that

[ivory ridge]

colossus

i even made the fucking

amogus joke

[fierce sparrow]

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[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ShephardNews/status/1600890513623851009

Shephard News (@ShephardNews)

Italy eyes naval drone carrier opportunities under Project Sciamano https://t.co/yCjGrFui3R #ShephardNews #NavalWarfare

Likes

105

Twitter · Dec 8, 2022, 4:30 PM

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Omg it's Italian Anadolu

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1600910781331013632

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, the U.S. Navy unleashed one of the heaviest single salvos in the history of naval warfare. The battleships Alabama, Indiana, Massachusetts, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Washington simultaneously fired their combined 54 16" guns while bombarding Nauru.

Twitter · Dec 8, 2022, 5:50 PM

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

fuck this island in particular

[ivory ridge]

https://youtu.be/IRbeW9vh6j4

🅱️ornado, f-16, mig something

[spring briar]

where french navy

[ivory ridge]

In wows

[delicate beacon]

French navy is the soft underbelly of Germany. Like they had their entire navy crippled at Toulon by Swordfishes during Pedestal.

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/momiji-momiji-inubashiri-fumo-this-thing-is-near-your-house-gif-25856581

richie rn

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29

Bruh it's fucking simple

[junior trench]

it's all the same when it hits the ground to me

[tawny harness]

Oh yeah, good old AA gun, still can be seen in my country's museum. To be fair, we also used S-75 Dvina to shoot down American fighters but everyone just remember Vietnamese shooting down B-52 with a Mosin Nagant for some reason.

[manic latch]

Should be useful for helicopters still

[manic latch]

All planes hit the ground same ye.

Except F35, they hit the water

[frigid karma]

Which they recovered

Watching binkov trying to convince his watchers that China would grab it was

Hilarious

[manic latch]

2 times ye

No way anyone will leave it alone

[frigid karma]

Also mig 29s don’t tend to fall in the water

Because Russia’s mighty carrier forces would never allow such a thing to happen

[junior trench]

er

oh wait

nah

those were su-33s falling into the water

which happened so much that Russia resorted to adopting the previously rejected mig-29k

[manic latch]

Indians use them. Would worked if you said SU-33 Tho she did lost a Mig-29KR

But I assume you only research America because of your obsession

[manic latch]

I think Su-33 has %50 less water crash rate compared to F-35

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ good thing I researched the airforce lines before I attempted the tomcat grind

[manic latch]

So what do you think will come after F-16? Block variant spam?

[shrewd pecan]

F-15

I have both the F-4 and F-5 so

I’m set for either

[manic latch]

F-15 and Su-27

[shrewd pecan]

Then I have my stupid premium A-10 to grind naval line with

[manic latch]

Then for Navy

F-18

[junior trench]

rate? no, not at all. The Su-33's rate of ending up in the water is 8%
The F-35's is 0.3%.
but even that's just a percent of total airframes rather than a percent rate based off flight hours or percent based off carrier take-offs landings

but I do understand that statistics is hard

[shrewd pecan]

I mean once the F-15s out, the F-14. Becomes rather pointless to grind

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

I see

[manic latch]

Still need the B variant or C

Or just give D

[tough quail]

can y'all not get into a pissing match for a single day

[junior trench]

where's the fun in that

[manic latch]

It's a rule tho

[tough quail]

i wish i had pet lobsters

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/horses-horse-i-am-rotate-spinning-gif-21774502

[shrewd pecan]

it takes one trip to a super market

[tough quail]

u rite

[spring briar]

Pet stores don’t have lobsters

You should have said

It takes one trip to the supermarket

Or fish market

[shrewd pecan]

true

[tough quail]

take your lobster to the pet store to register them as an official pet

[manic latch]

Taking care of it is hard part tho

[frigid karma]

I’ve had 17 lobsters as pets

I’ve eaten 17 lobsters

[manic latch]

Odd you are counting it

[tough quail]

thats fucked up

[frigid karma]

17 isn’t a lot

And they’re yummy

[subtle prawn]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-63899393

[tawny harness]

In Ukraine?

[manic latch]

Rogal

Current events are forbidden to talk here

Directly that is especially

But no she is speaking of SU-33 crash in 2016

Or more of combination of total crashes

Was it 2001, 2009, 2016

Smh like that

[shrewd pecan]

its had a chain of incidents due to reliability issues

in terms of Ukraine no Kuznetsov isn't operational rn since she's still undergoing her retrofit from hell

[wary osprey]

Hey because I’m having an argument about this can someone confirm that Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world by the end of WW2

[thorny patio]

@wary osprey okay but the BotA was a theater of war that was mostly dominated by US and KMS

[shrewd pecan]

to my knowledge its made up of primarily small escort vessels but yes they did

[wary osprey]

Thank you

[shrewd pecan]

its not like they were shitting out carriers or anything

they just had a bunch of escort destroyers and corvettes

that made them the third largest by ship numbers

[delicate beacon]

Tato

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of the battle of Atlantic no it wasn't primarily the US and KMS

hi

[thorny patio]

Cus the Canadians didn't need to build up an offensive naval force, they didn't need to

[delicate beacon]

Please

[wary osprey]

Yeah but still impressive for a dominion of the time

[shrewd pecan]

??

[delicate beacon]

Let's get someone with proper data

[shrewd pecan]

post it if you have it

[wary osprey]

He’s the one I was arguing with btw

[thorny patio]

Impressive but I wouldn't say it's worthy of making a whole new faction

[delicate beacon]

Where's Phoenix damnit

[shrewd pecan]

just smack them under the brits with the rest of the Commonwealth ships

[thorny patio]

^^

[wary osprey]

I know but I would like to see a ship or too at least the Haida

[delicate beacon]

They already have not?

[shrewd pecan]

idk if there canadian ships ingame rn or not

I haven't checked the new ships in quite awhile

[wary osprey]

I thinks there’s some that we’re transferred from the Royal Navy to the Canadian navy

[delicate beacon]

Fortune and one other from memory

[shrewd pecan]

I mean transfers from the Royal navy was basically the entire Canadian navy

[wary osprey]

In a way it’s true

[thorny patio]

I'm all for more nations being represented, especially nations that get underrepresented in irl history texts

[shrewd pecan]

commonwealth ships while I think they should be included

I don't really think they need their own faction

unless there treated as a subfaction or something

[wary osprey]

That would make sense

[shrewd pecan]

especially since they pretty much operated the same shit as the royal navy

[thorny patio]

Or just a blanket "commonwealth" faction

[delicate beacon]

I thought Phoenix was in this channel, had to ping him elsewhere

[thorny patio]

That way you can rope in the Aussies too

[delicate beacon]

I'll get back to you with the correct naval size data in a moment.

[shrewd pecan]

idk why you'd want a faction of like escort ships then like 2 carriers and a few cruisers

[wary osprey]

Canada never had carriers but Canadian sailors did operate on them in the Royal Navy during the war

[shrewd pecan]

at least the Germans have some interesting paper designs that you can make some type of wehraboo eye candy out of

[wary osprey]

Fair point

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Bonaventure

[wary osprey]

Good point forgot about her my fault

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Magnificent

[thorny patio]

Well what if the Commonwealth faction ships had skills that synergize with royal navy ships?

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warrior_(R31)

[wary osprey]

Also good point

Actually we could have the Habakkuk carrier

As well

[junior trench]

please no

[wary osprey]

What?

[shrewd pecan]

I'd stick to royal sovereign instead if you want funny meme ships

[ivory ridge]

he is, you just got discord'd

[thorny patio]

That way, the faction can be separate but act as a augmentation of royal navy ships

[wary osprey]

Yeah but it seems the devs are more focused on the main factions sadly

[delicate beacon]

Fuck mobile

[thorny patio]

I mean their focused on what sells

[delicate beacon]

I tracked faction Bias, sex

Sec

[shrewd pecan]

why do you think they keep pumping out a bunch of KMS ships

[wary osprey]

Yeah

[shrewd pecan]

Wehraboos buy them up

[junior trench]

not even CN knows

[thorny patio]

They can't do that forever

[wary osprey]

Good old capitalism

[thorny patio]

Hey! I resemble that remark XD

[junior trench]

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if your gonna stan one of the worse regimes made by humankind I feel you more than deserve that title if not worse

[chilly osprey]

Re; Was the RCN ever the 3rd largest navy in WWII.

It peaked at fifth largest on VE day, but fell to seventh by VJ day, if you go by hull numbers only. It falls further behind if you do it by tonnage.

[thorny patio]

The fuck who says I stan the actual Nazi regime???

[delicate beacon]

Thanks firebirb

[shrewd pecan]

ok I was wrong then regarding Canadian ship numbers, tho I knew they were up there

[thorny patio]

I just like the designs

[wary osprey]

Same here jeez

[thorny patio]

Bruh you legit just thought I was a Nazi simp?

[wary osprey]

Nope

[shrewd pecan]

generally

[junior trench]

[shrewd pecan]

anyone who mindlessly chases after nazi designed shit is typically a wehraboo

tho yeah if you just like the character designs sure that's different since there's at least a layer of separation there

[thorny patio]

Okay... What IS a wheraboo? I just thought the term was for those who just use all KMS ships

[wary osprey]

Ok but to be fair the design for the shit was impressive

[shrewd pecan]

no it wasn't

[wary osprey]

I mean like the shit they wanted to build cough cough sun gun

[shrewd pecan]

German technological superiority is a myth for a reason

[wary osprey]

True

[junior trench]

no it wasn't

[shrewd pecan]

the sun gun was a impossible project thought up by mad men

[wary osprey]

Except when it came to KMS Bismarck

[junior trench]

lol

[manic latch]

Please dont

[shrewd pecan]

Bismarck is a mediocre design outclassed by nearly everything that came out around the same time

yeah it took out a barely modernized battlecruiser 20 years older than it

cool

[thorny patio]

I make jojo's jokes and just think the designs are cool. That has nothing to do with my opinion on the kreigsmarine or the Nazi regime at large

[junior trench]

I don't know if I'd say outclassed, only because Bismarck is fatter than most everything else in Europe

and being fat is a quality of its own

not a great one

but it has value

sometimes

[wary osprey]

good old 50,000 tons of German steal

[junior trench]

the issue is that Bismarck is 50k tons... and fits less armor and armament, or around the same, than many of the 35k ton BBs

[ivory ridge]

Steal indeed

lol

[delicate beacon]

KEKW

[wary osprey]

True but compared to most Royal Navy ships it outclassed them mabye not the French or Americans

[junior trench]

no

[shrewd pecan]

the French and American designs were the best around man

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1036480329269121096/014C3909-11C3-4C4A-8624-3FC6781A43B7.gif

[chilly osprey]

Rip countries that sources iron or steel from Austria or Czechoslovakia before 1938 lol

[manic latch]

Al-General was a mistake

[delicate beacon]

Bismarck got its ass handed to it by Rodney.

[junior trench]

why did they make this club public

[wary osprey]

I know that’s what I said American and French outclassed Bismarck

[ivory ridge]

this is why my sidebar is this

[chilly osprey]

Tbh you can take any treaty era design of '35,000 tons' of more and they stand a reasonable chance of winning a fight with Bismarck or any other ship in their weight class built in the 1930s/40s

It's not really until you get to the stuff like the Iowa-class (48,000 tons standard) or Yamato-class (63,200 tons standard) where you have ships clearly stronger than them.

[junior trench]

Bismarck has some critical failure points in her protective scheme which directly impact all 3 parts of the armor-firepower-mobility triad that have no right existing on a ship of its tonnage

[wary osprey]

Valid point

[junior trench]

the turret fiveheads are absolutely galaxy brain

[wary osprey]

Yeah true that

[chilly osprey]

Mmm, the turret faces are a huge yikes

[junior trench]

much older ships have a fighting chance to cripple Bismarck's main battery which is... concerning

well

beyond the obvious barrel strikes

[wary osprey]

But something to keep in mind is historically Bismarck squared up with the Prince of wales witch also had a huge problem actually with all the king George the V class was their turrets and they were commissioned in the 40s

[junior trench]

which can afflict anyone

[strong plank]

historically

like in

her two engagements

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

if we're going to judge things based upon as they were rather than as they ought to be, then we can essentially mark Bismarck's AA as virtually nonfunctional then, I guess

intentionally

at that

[wary osprey]

Actually a few more that are lesser known because it was against lighter ships

[strong plank]

i mean she fought what like

3 engagements?

[wary osprey]

Yeah I still don’t understand how they couldn’t hit any of the planes

[strong plank]

hood and pow, piorun and crew, and then when she got jumped by kgv and the gang

[junior trench]

because the germans chose to install incompatible directors with incompatible guns

and chose to sortie in that state

[wary osprey]

And her engagement with HMS Norfolk and Suffolk

[junior trench]

despite misgivings by the personnel being sent off like that

but I guess when the whole mission is being started while missing 3/4 of the intended BB force anyway

something like "hey, I don't think these AA directors work with these guns" slips out of notice

[wary osprey]

Yeah and Bismarck was actually intended to be sent out with one of the Scharnhorst class

[spring briar]

You know what they say
Misery needs company

[wary osprey]

Quite true

[gusty nest]

This is why in one forum, Bismarck belongs in the skinny first-rate battleships

[junior trench]

"first-rate"

[gusty nest]

Battleships that are fast but has relatively thinner armor (by virtue of zero degree armor thickness) than the previous series of battleships

Basically fast battleships that have thinner armor when its angled flat

[junior trench]

riiiiight

[gusty nest]

Blame Tsushima forum members.

[junior trench]

I'll mark that down as another unique definition no one actually uses

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Russian forums are weird

[gusty nest]

Outside of classifying battleships as first-rate. Definitely.

The use of first-rate classification. Literally look at France

[ivory ridge]

France

[gusty nest]

They operate on the classification that befits their role

[spring briar]

[gusty nest]

There is a reason why some archives denotes speedy less armored battleships with yesteryear battleship gun caliber as second-rate battleships and only using battlecruisers later on

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

this is getting out of hand

now there is 2 of them

[spring briar]

I remember a forum post about Tashkent. One guy had a mental breakdown in chat about philosophy while another was trying to explain a word he said was correct within the context of the post but not outside of it
And a third guy pulled her plans from somewhere

[spring briar]

[gusty nest]

Russian banter in Naval Forums brings out the best of naval references

[chilly osprey]

I mean, technically in the 1920s the Italians also used 1st and 2nd class battleship as terms

Basically 'are you 18,000 tons or more? Or less?'

But this one as basically just to split up the dreadnoughts and pre-dreadnoughts

[gusty nest]

Literally obscure plans just to prove their point

[ivory ridge]

San Giorgio is my favourite battleship

[spring briar]

Second class citizen

[chilly osprey]

1st class battleship in WWI for the win

[spring briar]

San Giorgio looking at Roma (pre dread) like

[chilly osprey]

tbh they were more powerful ships than any Italian pre-dreadnoughts other than the Regina Elena's

[spring briar]

Seems we had the same thought

[gusty nest]

I remember a discussion where some argued the existence of German naval armaments on Soviet ships during wartime

[manic latch]

Why I remember that

I remember a YouTube argument where guy was claiming Kronshtadt was a German ship Soviets stole

[gusty nest]

Then a member wielding probably the keys to the Goskatalog and found Leningrad's wartime armament arrangement which shows a German 37mm AA gun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669133963864047626/1030219962108891166/15-8946553-komsorg-lidera-leningrad-bf-starshina-2-oj-stati-n.s.chugreev-beseduet-s-krasnoflottsami-d.i.anufrievym-i-i.s.kutkovym.-10.43g.jpg

@spring briar like I said, Russian forums brings out the juciy materials

[spring briar]

Always do

Like 2x2 406mm Sverdlovs

[spring briar]

It is time

For

I just remembered

[manic latch]

One day people will love her

Until then I will fight

After looking at war thunder

[spring briar]

2087 French tech

[manic latch]

I think I know why Kronshtadt is much heavier than Alaska

While sure their plate thickness difference is very minimal

The plate size different is noticable

[spring briar]

[valid trout]

is this from a movie?

[spring briar]

Nope

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1601013515200122880

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1944, the "Murderers' Row" of Third Fleet aircraft carriers were at anchor in Ulithi Atoll. From front to back: USS Wasp (CV-18), USS Yorktown (CV-10), USS Hornet (CV-12), USS Hancock (CV-19) and USS Ticonderoga (CV-14).

Twitter · Dec 9, 2022, 12:39 AM

[manic latch]

What a name

[frigid karma]

the horde wants blood

[spring briar]

If i was in a BB I could probably fire a shell through about three or four if these from close enough

[frigid karma]

Eh, would the trajectory allow that?

[tough quail]

from that close? probably

line up directly beside one and you'll probably get through three before dipping into the water

[frigid karma]

Ye, three seems possible

[tough quail]

at least if we're talking about something as heavy and high energy as richelieu's shells

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-railgun-projectile-railgun-test-railgun-demonstration-railgun-ballistics-gif-19417087

[spring briar]

Yep

But only through three or so

Maybe only two

2050 gonna be wild

[frigid karma]

When I was a kid I always wondered why orbital bombardment wasn’t possible

Imagine BB rounds in orbit

[spring briar]

Yes

[manic latch]

What kind of childhood you had Qwerty

[frigid karma]

A mostly normal one compared to some people on this server

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

Size of a DD

In spaaaace

Oh btw I got from rank 10 bronze to silver rank today

[valid trout]

i think thats the most cursed essex on this server

[frigid karma]

there are many much worse

[valid trout]

Oh no

[shrewd pecan]

[junior trench]

[fierce sparrow]

Is that... Nemesis? WTH

[frigid karma]

i see you jaba

i will get the ouija board if i must

[alpine onyx]

Fight for her by educating, not by simping

[alpine onyx]

Boo, Discord crapped

[spiral cedar]

Several of the planes were hit and damaged, and several airmen were injured. Bismarck’s AA suite had issues (especially the 105mm and 37mm mounts), but the main issues were in quantity (how much she could accurately throw at the enemy) and in ordnance (her medium and light AA was not ideally fuzed for aircraft of the Swordfish’s construction methods).

[junior trench]

Bismarck should've had Chicago Pianos smh

[spiral cedar]

Yes or at least their fuzes

[alpine onyx]

https://youtu.be/PTO3JagV8gE

Could also spend some thought on the state of Bismarck's training, Lindemann said his crew was ready for combat, but mentioned on several occasions just how much he rushed getting through trials

On 19.3. I receive information via commander "Tirpitz" of new instructions from the Skl., which force me to restrict the AVKS program to a large extent and to shorten the test period, because the ship, in accordance with the changed situation, is to be deployed about 3-4 weeks earlier than previously planned. I am ordered to be ready by the end of April. On the same evening, at a meeting with the AVKS, I determine the new schedule and set the end of the test period for April 2. The reductions of the AVKS time ordered by me, partly not without resistance, have the goal to limit the activities of the AVKS exclusively to those things which are useful or indispensable for the war readiness of the ship and the training of the crew, i.e. to the actual artillery shooting.

AVKS being ArtillerieVersuchsKommando der Schiffe, basically artillery trials

That might also have factored in with their difficulties launching the floatplane to save the war diary, training with the catapult was cut short by those measures as well as some technical difficulties getting the catapult to operate

[mystic wadi]

that from Children of a Dead Earth?

[spring briar]

it's from the lunar war

[mystic wadi]

ah cool

[dapper parcel]

Reminds me of Children of a Dead Earth

[spring briar]

it's what we will likely see in a couple decades

maybe

unless humanity somehow becomes wiser

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/942546057026494555.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

Toulon in Silver league ranked is such a cheatcode

free BB

[manic latch]

French Bias

[spring briar]

she's terrible tho

the only real bias in WOWS is dutch bias

[valid trout]

i just checked and found out that the Illinois in WoWs has 10sec reload But it is with Quadruple Des Moine Guns

[valid trout]

airstrike bias

[manic latch]

It's called balancing yes, Kremlin/Slava doesn't have their autoloaders as well

While Republique and Patrie does

[junior trench]

the other vid
||The USSF Alan Shepard is engaged by a PRC Patrol in Cislunar Space||
https://vimeo.com/734115297

[valid trout]

wait what autoloaders ;-;

[manic latch]

?

You know like Des Moines has

[valid trout]

oh those ah

[junior trench]

mechanically assisted loading isn't autoloading

it's just the norm for BBs

[manic latch]

That's why I said Repub, Kremlin/Slava, Patrie

Sadly Hms Lion doesn't have the proposed Autoloader in wows one

Would have been cool upgrade

Tho as Phoenix said before

"An autoloader will certainly aid in rate of fire, allowing for higher salvo rates and largely removing the issue of drill error, but you'll never see them reaching 3 rpm per gun for sure. It's worth noting that even if you were trying to bang out rounds at maximum rate, the autoloader for the 16"/45 Mk.IV has a fixed loading angle of +3° (call it a range of 6,000 meters or so), so elevation and depression times between shots is going to drop regardless. You will almost certainly never see a rate of fire of over 2.5 rpm at combat ranges - though, again, actual combat rate of fire per gun is still going to be around 1 to 1.5 rpm"

[tough quail]

they were too weak to put in 1945b

even though republique is like

the same thing but better

[spring briar]

look at those heat sinks getting redder and redder as the engines power up
nutty

[maiden citrus]

complete with based aldnoah zero music

[spring briar]

indeed

space

maka pfp is cool

christmas lights

[maiden citrus]

you're cool

[spring briar]

🌭

for you

[delicate beacon]

maka

cool pfp

[tough quail]

elaborate @ivory ridge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527630118407897138/1050785886167638046/image.png

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1050786090216337429/iqco0aw9l1f31.png

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/472172-fiat-6601-acm-52-quadrinata-us-guns-italian-truck/

Also Abruzzi my beloved

[tough quail]

nightmare bus

[maiden citrus]

[manic latch]

Nice

[spring briar]

I thought you didn't play WT naval

[manic latch]

He can be happy about it Rich

[ivory ridge]

i like the models of that game

but yeah i dont play naval

[manic latch]

They are much better than wows ones

[tough quail]

yesn't

they're generally more strictly accurate but a bunch of the time the actual visual quality is dogshit

[manic latch]

Recoils animations are just nice, especially individual AAs

[tough quail]

WT is a very ugly game a lot of the time and naval exemplifies it

[spring briar]

lack of camos is also pain

[manic latch]

Mod camos are fucking nice tho

[tough quail]

yeah but if you're going to bring modding into it you can mod fucking cvn enty into wows

lmao

[manic latch]

True

Drach's Soyuz art.
Maybe not his own art but he sells it I think

https://tenor.com/view/the-walking-dead-oh-no-gif-22581934

[somber knoll]

Question about the 5.4'' Mark 1:
Friedman notes that the gun did not meet some of the Ordinance Bureau's requirements (the glaring one for me being that it can only be carried less than the then-current Mark 12, 8 vs 6 with the same twin turret configuration), and was also once slated to be a replacement for the 6 inchers for the post-war cruiser designs because the updated ones were lacking

with that in mind, what is the kind of ship if the gun may be fitted to (both DD and cruiser)?

[manic latch]

Now the problem was the weight

Because the current 5/38 had a very good weight

So more can be carried than the proposed upgrades like 137mm or /54

But given Montana class and Midway class got the /54s later

I assume something large or someone that wants more anti surface capability than anti air would get the 137mm like 127mm/54

Because if ship size stays same. You sacrifice 8 127mm/38 potential for like 6 137mm or 6 127/54

Only logic is you want to focus more anti surface fight or you are going for a bigger ship "which can carry 8 137mm"

[somber knoll]

Well, that's exactly what he said. then again the 5 incher with heavier shells (which resulted in the Mark 16 of the Midways) will do the job of the 137 just as fine provided if the latter wouldn't get a heavier shell upgrade later.

[manic latch]

More importantly 5inch/54 is much easier to start construction than the 137mms as well ye

So you just do some changes to existing /38 production tools

Can't do that with 137mm much

[spring briar]

bye bye magdeburg

[maiden citrus]

if only we could play together

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

I haven't logged into wows for a long time but it was about the only game I played for a long time

[tough quail]

im rusty as shite

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

https://i.imgur.com/DaxF8WY.png

got the big lass tho

[spring briar]

I just got tromp

she's broken

[tough quail]

🇳🇱

[delicate beacon]

Elp

why are publishments of 1950-1980 so hard to find

[rapid junco]

I had to wait like
One full year
For a book that i bought
It was "out of stock"
Last edition from 1988

@spring briar

Had i ever told you
That we used the Adrian Helmet
During the Interwar period?

[spring briar]

neat

best hat

[rapid junco]

In fact

The auxiliary forces (police and fireman)
Used them as well
I think the helmet i've a from a great uncle that was a fireman is an adrian helmet

[rapid junco]

I think it was only after WWII that we changed (fully that is)
For the standard US army helmet

[delicate beacon]

Philips, why must thou hide thy secrets

[delicate beacon]

Philips radar?

[lavish fable]

Light cruisers now tremble in fear at your sight

[tough quail]

as they should

[lavish fable]

Ap carpet bombs are funny

Sees a smolensk

1/2-3/4 hp can just dissappear

[maiden citrus]

malda

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EMioFRpTSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMPti6zs6Q

https://news.usni.org/2022/12/09/japan-italy-u-k-enter-collaboration-to-develop-next-generation-fighter

[delicate beacon]

When you're out of information leads and you can no longer do research to distract you from your crippling depression.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE81py34A58

[frigid karma]

@spiral cedar got a quora post for you

The guns themselves were quite accurate. The problem was the rate of fire. Against a moving target, Yamato had trouble getting accurate groups because the target had a chance to maneuver inbetween salvoes.

https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-could-a-Yamato-class-battleship-be

Wows moment

[spiral cedar]

I’m not sure whether the implication is that her 40 second salvo interval is unusually long, or if the implication is that Yamato did not have a good track record of hitting moving objects

[delicate beacon]

Yamato's IRL shell flight time is like 4 times longer than my WoWS Montana tests at the same range

[spiral cedar]

WoWS and its consequences have been a disaster for naval history

[frigid karma]

Would you rather them simp for WT as an accurate naval simulator

[spiral cedar]

False dichotomy

They could instead play Action Stations! by Dr. Alan D. Zimm

Don’t need a fancy computer, don’t need to queue for matches, don’t need to worry about grinding or loot boxes

[frigid karma]

Not gonna lie Jaba

People play wows or wt for the grind

I feel hollow after finishing one

It’s the purest form of Stockholm syndrome on the planet

[spiral cedar]

That’s cookie clicker

[frigid karma]

Cookie clicker doesn’t make you break your monitor

Wows will

[spiral cedar]

Purity in design

WoWS is more sophisticated

But less pure

[frigid karma]

Cookie clicker you know what to expect

It can never catch you off guard

[spiral cedar]

Which is irrelevant for purity

[frigid karma]

Wows very much will, and you will break things

Thus a purer form of Stockholm Syndrome

[manic latch]

I forgot the maximum knot speed Yamato can follow. Was it 35 or 40 knots?

[spiral cedar]

Just, no

[spiral cedar]

35 knot own speed, 40 knot enemy speed

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

I’ve played both and it’s hard to explain

But wows instills a special type of rage in you that you don’t really get in any other game

Watching 20 minutes of pain go down the drain to one moron’s misplay

[spiral cedar]

Sure. But that’s not the “purest form” of Stockholm Syndrome

[frigid karma]

Alright, I’ll concede that point

Still an abusive relationship

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPx11DVlvA

[manic latch]

World of tanks and its consequences to tank community

Some of their designs are so damn sexy tho

[tough quail]

i love tbe juxtaposition of the e series and the e-100

ah yes a tank program where you finally beat all of the stupid shit out of your procurement and logistics train and try to be an actual tank power

unfortunately

you're still trying to build fucking maus

[manic latch]

E series were cool ye

E-25 could have been useful

E-50, E-75, E-100 tho

Doubt they will really be cheaper

[tough quail]

it'd theoretically pay off over time

...if it started

you know

at the start of the war

instead of EH LETS DO WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT

DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES

[humble mulch]

Still ain't got shit on my Marshal tanks

[frigid karma]

Most people know wot tanks are fake as shit and it’s an arcade game

People for some reason take wows more seriously

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

17cm gun copium

[eternal veldt]

taking wows seriously

bow tanking
54 knot turbo zoomies with no problem shooting whatsoever
gigachad french crewmen slamming a 38cm shell into Jean Bart's turret and wedging the charge in within 10 seconds
magical combat instructions somehow make your guns perform better

Ok buddy

[frigid karma]

You’re forgetting the time space distortion

[junior trench]

I would like it if WG gave up all pretenses of trying to pass off their fantasy designs as real

The whole

"year of design/year in service/whatever" blurb thing on the stat cards or whatever

[valid trout]

the brawling german bb with torps ;-; the only real ones was Tirpitz and Gneisenau and Scharnhorst

[eternal veldt]

But they won't

Because "muh historical accuracy" has been the thing WG is doing

laughs at all the wrong models

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/poi-yuudachi-theft-gif-22854108

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1601203037342928899

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

@JuMana060 @MIL_STD AM General has proposed using General Dynamics Land Systems' Stryker as the platform, and hopes to build and demonstrate a full-size version of the Stryker 155 howitzer (52-caliber) this year for the Army.

Twitter · Dec 9, 2022, 1:12 PM

[frigid karma]

LOOK AT THAT RIGGING LMFAO

BOX

TURRET

Also 4 turrets because why not, original draft had it

[valid trout]

is this the original draft for Bremerton?

[frigid karma]

no

baltimore's original design had turrets drawn right

just had 4 of them

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Gg4bh-Zi0

[subtle prawn]

Fanart

[tough quail]

as did bremertons

he somehow fucked it up twice

[ivory ridge]

they arent from the same artist but idk about the rigging

it's identical in shape but the artstyle doesnt look the same

[tough quail]

thats even weirder then

[rugged jetty]

Today December 10th 1941 81 years ago HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were sunk in the South China sea.

[valid trout]

Oh shit I forgot

Todays the day

[alpine onyx]

mfw the primary purpose of the torps was to sink merchants, and that using them would impair the operation of the secondary armament

Wows: Let's give a BB an eight tube torpedo broadside

[tough quail]

arcade game does something weird to facilitate a playstyle

wild

[alpine onyx]

With their wild claims regarding the modelling, indeed

We recreate ships accurately

According to their historical blueprints

Except when we don't

[eternal veldt]

"could have" "assumed" "might have" "possible that"

[alpine onyx]

"Nice blueprint you have there, but sorry, this hardcover'd book with smooth paper disagrees"

[eternal veldt]

"What's that? Primary paint documents? Must not be reliable. We'll use this book made by this absolutely-humble-gentleman, who never made death threats and is often confidently incorrect."

[alpine onyx]

"What do you say they have worked on a 45cm gun? Nonsense, we assume they would go imperial, and made up a 457mm gun"

[eternal veldt]

"What are these? Historical Vickers designs?"

"Bullshit, enjoy your cockbote copy 1124"

[junior trench]

for some reason I was never aware of how based the Armored Infantry Company of WW2 was until within the past 24 hours

"yeah, we have a company level AT gun battery/platoon"

almost every single half track has a bazooka and 2 grenade launchers aboard as well

even the mortar and MG squads have a bazooka

only the ATG platoon doesn't have them

[unborn wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-yuudachi-kancolle-gif-4698121

[desert agate]

Ah yes the great failure of British Cheauvanism and the cataclysm of British officer elitism and "imperial superiority"

Utterly inevitable that a disaster like that would occur it was an idiotic endeavour from the start and the incompetence of the officers involved did nothing to help matters

[junior trench]

"maybe we should turn around or divert course"

[desert agate]

mmm yes ill just not call for the squadron of RAAF fighters sitting at an airfield specifically to protect my ships from air attack when i detect a completely unescorted bomber formation at range far enough to have those aircraft airborne and above me before the bombers arrive
instead ill keep sailing in a straight line because idk the king is protecting me or something

[rugged jetty]

Tom Phillips was an idiot.

[desert agate]

the entire British admiralty were idiots

the Royal Navy officer corps of 1941 was was a force in which incompetence was rarely uncommon enough to be considered out of the ordinary

[alpine onyx]

"So far no Battleship has been sunk while underway, and during the multiple chances we had, we couldn't sink one either. So we'll be fine, probably."

[eternal veldt]

[valid trout]

i cant even see the top of the blueprint lol

[eternal veldt]

Because it's a work in progress. Not mine, of course.

[alpine onyx]

Very Bri'ish

[manic latch]

SH-16
A Next Gen 155mm/L52 Lightweight SPH System with an Unmanned Turret

The SH-16 Standardized with a Crew of Two and Featured with Full Automated Loading Sys
The Turret Module Weighs Less than 14t and Can also be Mounted on the Truck Chassis with a Combat Weight less than 32t

[dapper parcel]

I would be fine with it if not for the silliest recurring shit like arguing between T28 vs T95

Or somehow Gneisenau's photo must be mislabelled Sharnhorst one because three guns

[manic latch]

Yup

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbSqYzGiUQ&ab_channel=ABCNews(Australia)

[dim brook]

Is it a japanese howitzer?

Or Korean?

[rapid junco]

Smoll

Comandante Marriog class tugboat, "Tenente Magalhães"

[manic latch]

China

[dim brook]

Conclusion:
It's horrible

[dim brook]

What about Almirante Abreu?

[rapid junco]

Abreu never went to us anyways

Just like Juruá

[dim brook]

Minas Geraes, São Paulo

Minas Gerais CV

[dim brook]

Bruh

[rapid junco]

And i already shared plenty of pics of the main ships

[dim brook]

That's sad

[rapid junco]

In the past that is

Think the smaller craft need some attention as well

[dim brook]

I think we should have Brazil in AL

Even If it's a small amount of vessels

[rapid junco]

I did tried to work for that

But i have given up since
2021 i think

[shrewd pecan]

The hull for the SPG might look funky but I wouldn’t really make a assumption like that based off of its national origin

[manic latch]

It's called China curse

I don't know what created it

But people assume it's bad when it has China flag

[shrewd pecan]

it’s the typical thing that happens with a manufacturing power that goes between low skill cheap manufacturing to high technology manufacturing

[manic latch]

Tho maybe it will work in China's favor by getting underestimated

[dim brook]

That's because you didn't seen ztz 99 reverse speed

[shrewd pecan]

It happened with Japan and Korea

[manic latch]

Reverse speed means bad?

[shrewd pecan]

they aren’t the only ones with bad transmissions

[dim brook]

No

But it's slow as fuck

[manic latch]

Merkava has faster reverse than Abrams= Merkava is stronger

[dim brook]

That's not what i meant

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the god damn challenger 2s transmission can barely get a tank with a engine capable of up to 2,000 HP to 1,200 HP

[dim brook]

But yeah

I don't like chinese military or tech

[manic latch]

Comes with being fan of Atago I guess

[shrewd pecan]

You don’t have to like it but last thing I’d do is under estimate it at a glance

It is the only other nation with a operational fifth gen

[dim brook]

Yeah

[manic latch]

Should be around +150 units now

[dim brook]

But the J-20 isn't so much stealthy

[manic latch]

Because India said it?

[shrewd pecan]

It’s RCS numbers are still better than anything anyone who isn’t fielding F-22 or F-35 is currently fielding

[manic latch]

They will also use better engine nozzles for stealth like F35

[shrewd pecan]

I mean I don’t think it’s going to be winning dogfights with F-22s but that’s mainly since that’s not what it’s meant to do

[manic latch]

Bruh J-20 is long range hunter ain't she?

F22 entering dogfight range would be cursed

[shrewd pecan]

I’d compare her mission set to the MIG-31s

[manic latch]

Yeah she is supposed to hunt big targets with long range missiles

Tankers, Awacs, bombers

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the F-22s basically top dog when it comes to maneuverability

shame that they’re slow to modernize the damn thing

[manic latch]

I never get that. If Stealth was the king, why bother maneuverability

Why not choose YF-23 for it

[shrewd pecan]

The YF-23s bomb bay was problematic

And had tons of issues

Combined with solely relying on stealth for the aircraft meant to dominate the airspace in every possible way isn’t the best idea

[tough quail]

yeah, stealth isnt exactly an automatic I win button

[shrewd pecan]

The YF-23s bomb bay was special

Let’s just say that

[wary osprey]

Interesting indeed

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

neat™️

[chilly osprey]

In significant part, yes. No doubt it is also meant to go head-to-head with other stealth fighters - there's really no choice when looking at the numbers the US, Japan, and others may throw around in a Pacific conflict - but as I understand it, it is also intended to give the PLAAF a shot at hitting the enablers that make the US so OP in the air - AWACS, tankers, etc

[manic latch]

Yeah it's better to face a F-22 without awacs/fuel tanker than the one with it

[chilly osprey]

Well, the thing is those kinds of enablers are what lets the Americans come into your airspace with an entire strike package so simultaneously handle your fighters, perform SEAD missions, and hit whatever they came to hit. They're not so much letting an F-22 do its job better, they're letting the F-22 bring all of it's buddies to make your life terribly, terribly complicated.

This is how you have the ability to pull off things like Desert Storm

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Also while you are here Phon, was Abruzzi's 152mms are single cradle? And why?

[chilly osprey]

On the Abruzzi-class? Separate cradles for each gun

There was no single-cradle turret design for the 152/55

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Ok seems war thunder confused me when all barrels shined when mouse it at one barrel. Likely fault of being dev server model for now

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That or they just got it wrong

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Very possible

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But, yeah, that is explicitly one of the improvements going from the 152/53's to the 152/55

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[chilly osprey]

And is why the barbette interior diameter for the twin mounts go from 5.4 meters on the common cradle turrets to 5.8 meters on the 152/55 twin.

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We are also getting the Italy/Romania/Soviet Frankenstein. Who has 120mm Bofors, German 88mm, Italian 76mm and torpedos

And Skoda anti air

[delicate beacon]

Why is it a Mk. 4?

[tough quail]

what the fuck

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It's Romanian

Or was Romanian

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@humble mulch

Its the Regina Maria

[tough quail]

friend maria

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Russian word for "flying", an allusion to the Flying Dutchman (Letuchiy gollándets)

[spring briar]

Where french navy

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France had a navy?

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We got Romanian ship before French navy

[humble mulch]

[tough quail]

this is why WT is stinky doodoo

and they cant bribe me with mig-29s and intruders

[humble mulch]

They get her back in the 50s

Current Regina Maria, formerly HMS London. Funny looking girl

How far down the Soviet tree is she?

[spring briar]

Daily 340mm mle 1912

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cutie

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He really does show up everywhere doesn't he

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https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1601433988450902017

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

The US Army Mobile Protected Firepower (MPF) light tank is on display during the Army-Navy Game at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. You can see that the height management of InArm suspension is capable to raise and lower the vehicle and provide increased depression range.

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[tough quail]

friend shaped

[spring briar]

Bote

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Shame it's from an NSB youth publication

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Oh

It's on top

Like you can get her in 3-5 games

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Based

This means I can steal her files too
And printer her at 1/700

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French space friend (he fries your sensors)

[tough quail]

thanks lad

[spring briar]

Nemesis’s night radiators

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Grill

[spring briar]

Radiator

[humble mulch]

Wait is that actually a space program thing france is doing

Cause it looks cool

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No weapons in space allowed Tea lmao

It's a Sci fi

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All it takes it funneling everything into a 3rd world country

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True

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Cause like

Only how many nations actually signed it?

And in terms of asteroid problem solving, those could be lobbied against for being weapons

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

Key provisions of the Outer Space Treaty include prohibiting nuclear weapons in space; limiting the use of the Moon and all other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes; establishing that space shall be freely explored and used by all nations; and precluding any country from claiming sovereignty over outer space or any celestial body. Although it forbids establishing military bases, testing weapons and conducting military maneuvers on celestial bodies, the treaty does not expressly ban all military activities in space, nor the establishment of military space forces or the placement of conventional weapons in space.

Ooh

Ok not all weapons mb

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Oh it’s for WMDs

Ok we cool then

Lasers aren’t that so we balling

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im going to strap thirteen thousand ak-74s to the moon

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wtf is Angola gonna do

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I’m gonna turn space shuttles into Toyota gun trucks

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my guys

they didnt sign

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Bro Columbia too

[tough quail]

fuck

drug wars in space drug wars in space

lets goooooooooooooo

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New Gundam anime

Let’s FUCKING GOOOOOO

[tough quail]

we gotta find all that moon cocaine

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Gotta find the cocaine planet

There has to be a way for that to be naturally occurring

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https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18187/here-is-the-soviet-unions-secret-space-cannon/

Use this

Good ol 23mm

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all of NATO and even russia and china deliberating together on how to deal with the fact columbia has literally made an entire asteroid out of meth

nobody does anything to destroy it because it turns out the trajectory happens to aim directly at north korea and everyone just kinda wants to see what happens at that point

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She cute

It's like that anime hair model where hair is blocking one eye

[spring briar]

I wish

Orbital lasing of ground targets

Imagine

[tough quail]

i like the little PLA logo in the top left

its cheesy and adorable

[spring briar]

Nato space force vs PLA space force

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Ara ara

[spring briar]

Yuge

Missile truck basically

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https://old.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/zhrs4a/hnlms_de_zeven_provinciën_passes_tower_bridge/

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Zr Ms De Zeven Provinciën

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twitter arguments be going wild

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[remote monolith]

mental gymnastics do be like that

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New conspiracy theory, courtesy YouTube comment section

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586216580463984650/1051152839830929508/image.png

The British dropped the first nuclear bomb in combat, but it failed to explode

[spring briar]

Sinop is so broken

sinOP

[dim brook]

Eh

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Cope

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To be fair, that's about as well as British nuclear weapons programs went

They never developed a true thermonuclear device outside of a single subscale demonstrator, and the less said about Yellow Sun Mk. 1 "Interim Megaton Weapon", the better.

The greatest success of them was really convincing the US (and soviets) that they knew a lot more than they did

(might as well post the famous meme)

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tfw Yamato guns can't hole Montana turret face down to 0 yards

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What was Monty’s turret?

650mm or something?

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18" Class B on 4.5" STS backing (21.16" ClassB equivalent) at 49.1 deg from vertical

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way overshot lol

Yamato can’t pen 21 inches at point blank range?

[spiral cedar]

Slope

[tough quail]

same thing with the mk7 shooting at yamatos turret face

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[tough quail]

needs the slope eliminated to get through

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It’s a balance between shell velocity and angle but I honestly thought BBs should be able to pen each other at 0 yards

[tough quail]

those turret faces hit absolutely absurd levels of protection

[spiral cedar]

[tough quail]

not that i think it would actually matter in practicality because if they...somehow shot each other at point blank

i think that much energy striking the turret face is going to do bad things to everyone inside

assuming it doesnt shred one or more of the barrels to