history

[spring briar]

180mm gun

Luckily the gun doesn’t get AP shells

[ivory ridge]

bing chilling

[frigid karma]

30 years ago so counts as history

doesn't the tier 8 also have a stupid derp gun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3OhmtvzrpQ

yep, 160mm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-160_mortar

did they put this fucking thing

on a chinese HT

that's the only 160mm artillery piece i can find in chinese service

except it's a mortar...

[tight violet]

The fucks this

[ivory ridge]

Oh wtf i didnt even notice the boosters

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/MON_GOV_PL/status/1599848915825827842
https://twitter.com/MON_GOV_PL/status/1599851790698221574

Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej 🇵🇱 (@MON_GOV_PL)

W porcie w Gdyni trwa rozładunek pierwszych koreańskich 🇰🇷 czołgów K2 i armatohaubic K9., które wkrótce trafią na wyposażenie #WojskoPolskie🇵🇱

Likes

1146

Retweets

229

Twitter · Dec 5, 2022, 7:31 PM

Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej 🇵🇱 (@MON_GOV_PL)

#Gdynia 🇵🇱 #rozładunek #czołgiK2 🇰🇷 #armatohaubiceK9 🇰🇷 dla #WojskoPolskie 🇵🇱

Likes

617

Retweets

152

Twitter · Dec 5, 2022, 7:42 PM

[frigid karma]

tbf, they are kind of overrated

the reaction on the wot subreddit was pretty extreme but it's not really that powerful

[fervent wyvern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_57_mm_Naval_Automatic_Gun_L/60

this the new UR gun right?

[junior trench]

Nope

V-280 fits easily within FM-57-38's guidance for distance between aircraft at an LZ

[ivory ridge]

Yes

[fervent wyvern]

[junior trench]

TL;DL: V-280 fits the same number of aircraft into the same footprint as with normal helicopters

I hope it's something to finally use UR AA BPs on?

[fervent wyvern]

yea ur aa gun crafted in gear lab

[junior trench]

About time.

[tight violet]

Aw man i had hopes for defiant or what was the big one called

Idk tiltrotors are speed but sometimes a more helicopter like form may be desired? Idk some low speed tricks or maritime asw?

[junior trench]

Tiltrotor can do those too you know

Even better than a helicopter in quite a few cases

Like being able to yaw while hovering in both directions equally well

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/1049584621345591336/E9QByJhWQAcfjqL.jpg

[spring briar]

This one

[frigid karma]

smol gun

[desert agate]

new UR gun?

[ivory ridge]

yes

[desert agate]

have i missed something?

[ivory ridge]

yes

JP patchnotes

[desert agate]

oh

[ivory ridge]

French gear lab tree

• georgia gun in it

plus they are adding

"timed fuse" AA guns

[frigid karma]

tldr

[desert agate]

pog

[frigid karma]

new gear, french tree with UR gear

VT fuze to exisintg aa guns

pr2 gears coming

new opsi lore

az meta

yeah that's about it

[ivory ridge]

also the flying pancake

and a british CA gun that im not sure of

it's a Mk10 version of Albemarle gun

so idk

[delicate beacon]

So apparently Bofors 57mm VT was available from 1964. ~~thank god it wasnt a year later or I get warned for breaking the 20-year rule in here ~~

[ivory ridge]

One day

[spring briar]

Yes, I was talking about this yesterday of how france never got vt fuzes on theirs bc they only became available in 1964

When JB was a school ship

Though it should be possible that the T-47’s and T-53’s had em

[silver crest]

bruh

i thought all this time that rio de janeiro was still brazil's capital

i play too much hoi4

[delicate beacon]

Now tell me what Switzerland's capital is.

[spring briar]

Béarn

[delicate beacon]

Wrong

[autumn sorrel]

Zurich?

[delicate beacon]

Wronger

[spring briar]

it's Bern but it looks like Béarn

[maiden citrus]

Switzercenter

[spring briar]

but actually Switzerland has no capital

[delicate beacon]

True, but also false.

The capital of Switzerland is S.

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037132845447118950/1046727840168673300/1039577974304931860.gif

[delicate beacon]

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

bans sanglune

[ivory ridge]

[tawny harness]

Bofors? I thought they only have the 40mm one

Is this a new gun?

[delicate beacon]

Poor Bofors

People always think it's a gun and not a company.

I guess that's the price of succes

[tawny harness]

Honestly, I kinda forget the Bofors was a thing due to everyone using SAM nowadays

[delicate beacon]

Bofors is split IIRC

[maiden citrus]

bofors made quite a few guns

[tawny harness]

The only reason I remembered it because the AC-130 still using it

[delicate beacon]

Eaten up by SAAB and BAE

[autumn sorrel]

Dorn, you can't build the Imperial Palace if you can't get the weapon emplacement right!

[tawny harness]

America so rich they can make a bunch of useless shit and still having a good time with it

[tawny harness]

Just use the Hydra guns

[autumn sorrel]

Big E should have give Perty the task instead

[tawny harness]

[tawny harness]

Nah, that little shit is a manchild

[junior trench]

it got dropped

[autumn sorrel]

Remember Iron Cage?

[spring briar]

Bofor's best guns were its large calibers

305mm bofors with 15 sec reload moment

[tawny harness]

Really? Are they finally replaced it with something else?

[tawny harness]

No

[junior trench]

30mm Bushmaster II

which means funny programmed HE airburst memes

[fervent wyvern]

what are those vt fuse things

[tawny harness]

Bushmaster? Isn't that the main gun for the Bradley IFV?

[spring briar]

variable time fuzes

[junior trench]

25mm Bushmaster

[maiden citrus]

they made pretty good destroyer sized guns too

[junior trench]

Bushmaster II is 30mm

[spring briar]

they explode when in close proximity with planes

[junior trench]

and does this big funny

https://youtu.be/4UolMYY7QaA?t=92

"fuck your trench"

[spring briar]

true, their 12 and 15 cm guns good

[fervent wyvern]

is that just like flak or something

[spring briar]

yes but you don't have to set the fuze

[junior trench]

no

it's timed

but set by the FCS

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

based off the laser rangefinder return

[fervent wyvern]

[spring briar]

the VT

[autumn sorrel]

Air burst, not necessary use strictly in AA, really scary when use against infantry

[spring briar]

not the airburst

[maiden citrus]

[delicate beacon]

Elp

Reading more about the early Pacific

[spring briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0fJYDAB00 @fervent wyvern

watch this

[delicate beacon]

And the USN continues being fuck all important

[junior trench]

?

[autumn sorrel]

Japan basically zero chance outside of doing kamikaze in late war

[maiden citrus]

the largest thing taken out by a kamikaze was a CVE

so even with them

[delicate beacon]

Like, I'm still not far in

[fervent wyvern]

so is that what all that flak like smoke is when you set priority sector

[junior trench]

no

[delicate beacon]

It hasnt been a month in the pacific and the USN is retreating as far as they could

[junior trench]

no shit?

[tawny harness]

Just watched the movie Roaring Currents, admiral Yi Sun-sin is pretty badass, carrying Korea like some top tier player help a bunch of noobs in a LoL match

[delicate beacon]

Flak is German for AA gun but is often attributed to the clouds of exploding AA shells.
There's 3 types of fuze common in AA.
Impact
Timed
And Proximity, also known as Variable Time (VT)

[autumn sorrel]

You know who should have been the biggest baddie in movie? Not the Japanese but the Korean royal court.

Like my dude Yi single handly holding back the Japanese and he have turtle ship but the court sack him and appoint an idiot that proceed to lose the whole Korean fleet in one single battle

[tawny harness]

The dude is basically General Flavius Belisarius of Korea, being stab in the back while still kicking enemy butt to protect his country. Those kind of man are rare, Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky is another person I could think of that is in similar circumstances

[spring briar]

[autumn sorrel]

Imho, Belisarius get too cocky after he retake Rome, Naboo is much better general. Yi on the other is a more loyal man, dude got sack so many time that I won't fault him if he do some revenge shit but my man don't care about petty feud but only focus on beating the Japanese.

[delicate beacon]

Man the USN
"We need a unified command!"
"I refuse to take orders!"
Heck

[autumn sorrel]

Do you want to take order from MacArthur?

[tawny harness]

Ehhh, I won't said Belisarius got too cocky and more like Justinian listened to too much bullshit from the court about Belisarius being a traitor and stuff like that. Not too mention that while Narses have done an excellent job in the final part of the war, putting him and Belisarius together is basically waiting for a disaster to happen

[delicate beacon]

McCunter hasnt shown his face yet. Though his idiocy has.

[ivory ridge]

who wants some cope from the worst news site i discovered this year

https://eurasiantimes.com/buying-f-35-fighters-biggest-mistake-of-australia-us-jets/?amp

[autumn sorrel]

Well, that Byzantine court for you, there's a reason why it become the meaning of cutthroat politic.

[tawny harness]

Constantinople politics is as messy as Rome back in the Augustus days. There is a reason why the Eastern Roman Emperor loved the Varangian Guard so much

[autumn sorrel]

Isn't they refuse to fight only one time bc the Emperor can't pay them anymore?

[fervent wyvern]

random question
in the 2 movies midway and pearl harbor
they both have the doolittle scene
but they both are completely different

in pearl harbor its like they are running for their lives to get ready to launch and the secondaries of the carrier are shooting at stuff and all that
and then in midway its just like oh no we were spotted time to go and then they left

which one is more accurate
did pearl harbor hype that whole scene up way too much or did midway just not put much focus in that scene

[autumn sorrel]

Midway is more accurate about Doolittle

[delicate beacon]

Yeah, from what I remember that's more of the case

[tawny harness]

Well, the Emperor is only person who paid them so as long as he have money, they will neve betray him, their loyalty is a reputation of its own. Unlike the shitty Praetorian Guards that even sell the Emperor title like some kind lemonade on the street.

[fervent wyvern]

[delicate beacon]

Once spotted, getting closer with a carrier becomes more risky so they launched a bit earlier than planned

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, if you let a japan patrol ship get close enough to the carrier task group then you have a real issue with recon.

[fervent wyvern]

the scene from pearl harbor was awesome
but yea i guess midway scene was probably more accurate

[delicate beacon]

If you scout and your scout gets spotted its the same thing as having your carrier spotted when it comes to such an operation.

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, seeing Hornet secondary firing look cool but it really stupid if a CV have to use her secondary

[autumn sorrel]

They rarely ask for a pay raise but Varangian did have the right for the 1st loot, it is good enough for them. It also help that they are composed of so many aspiring viking and rus warlord that you don't get to worry about them unite to scheme against you.

[fervent wyvern]

does seem pretty inaccurate
perfectly clear sunny day
only saw the ship when it got this close (im assuming thats the enemy ship)
and theres no other escort ships

halsey ordering the cruisers to open fire
cruisers left the game

[tawny harness]

They don't have to ask but the moment you become a Varangian, you always gonna get top paid and lived in luxury. A lot of vikings even bring the wealth back to their homeland to become a local duke or rise up to be a king like Harold Harada

[autumn sorrel]

The Nashville get the kill iirc

[fervent wyvern]

what about the part when they were taking guns off the plane and replacing with broomsticks
is that accurate cause it didnt look like they did that in midway

[autumn sorrel]

They did modify the bomber by remove radios and belly turret for more fuel tanks. Maybe not improvise like in the movie but they were modified B-25

[fervent wyvern]

[delicate beacon]

The guns were in fact replaced by wooden dummies

All to decrease take off length and increase range

[fervent wyvern]

like right before they launched?

or was that part of the modification

[delicate beacon]

Part of the modification I think

[autumn sorrel]

Part of the modification iirc, also the bombload was reduce as well.

[delicate beacon]

No sane man would not modify a B-25 like hell before putting it on a carrier

[autumn sorrel]

Funny thing about Doolittle raid, without it, Japan military will still bickering among themselves about whether or not attacking midway.

[fervent wyvern]

[delicate beacon]

It did set the IJA/IJN conflict straight...er... somewhat

[maiden citrus]

[autumn sorrel]

Probably some china-shill or anti-US rhetoric.

[spiral cedar]

This isn't quite true

Yamamoto's plan for Midway was approved before the Doolittle raid took place

[spiral cedar]

To clarify:

VT (Variable Time) was the US designation for proximity fuzes.
Before VT fuzes, fuzes could be either contact or timed—either they only initiate after hitting something, or they initiate a set number of seconds after leaving the barrel. Note that contact vs. timed is different from delay vs. non-delay (or instantaneous) fuze, which is how long the wait between initiation of the fuze and the projectile exploding is.

VT fuzes added a new type of delay. They had a miniature radar in the nose that sent out radio pulses after being fired out of the barrel. When the radar return was sufficiently strong (indicating a nearby object), the fuze would initiate and cause the projectile to explode. The desired return was calibrated to have a high probability of damaging or destroying the assumed target (a metal monoplane within a certain speed range).

The USN considered the fuze to be 7 times as effective as the old timed fuzes for AA work, but they had their own caveats.

First, unliked timed fuzes, there was no way to tell how badly you missed so that you could correct your aim—so the USN eventually came up with a ratio of ~3:1 VT to timed fuze when firing AA, so that the timed bursts would give a visual indicator of how accurate the shooting was. This had the side benefit of also looking scarier to the enemy pilots, and hopefully making them less likely to press the attack home.

Second, VT fuzes had to be calibrated for a specific radar return strength and an expected target location at time of detonation, so stuff with a smaller radar return and going at unusual speeds could be much harder to destroy (until new shells with the right settings could be used). This allowed the Japanese in a few cases to use wood and cloth biplanes as kamikazes at night, as they were hard to spot on early warning radars and hard to kill with normal VT fuzes. The Japanese planned to convert hundreds of such aircraft to kamikazes for the expected invasion of Japan.

Third, VT fuzes are inherently more complex and less reliable than simple contact or time fuzes, meaning a higher dud rate (VT fuzes had a minimum 70% reliability rate for most of the latter half of WWII, though the average was higher. The comparable figures for contact and time fuzes was around 95%).

Fourth, VT fuzes rely on miniaturization of radar tech (specifically vacuum tubes), and those are vulnerable to breaking when fired out of a gun at enormous speeds. So only larger shells initially had VT fuzes (initially 5", but eventually down to 3" towards the end of the war), and only a nation with immense industrial capacity could mass produce them in sufficient quantity for them to become standard issue—thus the US's great industrial strength was just as important as the science and tech in turning the VT fuze from idea into a war-changing weapon.

[fervent wyvern]

[spiral cedar]

By the way, while the fuze was considered seven times as effective as the time fuze, the number of shells needed to down each Japanese plane only fell by about half. The reason for this is that the increased lethality forced the Japanese to change their tactics, flying more evasively and often in smaller packets from multiple directions and hiding in the radar clutter of nearby land, as well as releasing weapons from further out. This (along with the deaths of more and more experienced pilots) contributed to falling hit rates amongst Japanese bombers compared to their early war achievements.

In the hands of the British, the VT fuze was also highly effective in defeating the V-1 "Buzz Bomb" attacks launched by Germany

The first live-fire testing at sea of the VT fuze was done in late 1942 aboard USS Cleveland (so effective was it that they destroyed all the target drones before they could complete all the testing), and the first combat kill was in early 1943 by USS Helena

[desert agate]

To be fair, the F-35 underperforms in some roles vital to the RAAF
First and foremost is anti-shipping
Block 5 F-35s (the ones currently used by RAAF) do not have integration with current gen anti-shipping missiles like JSM and LRASM, afaik mass produced integration isn't scheduled until 2024 which will mean we'll need to upgrade our current airframes
We are planning on a squadron of these F-35s with that integration but at present we still have the Super Hornets to fill that role, overall meaning the RAAFs anti-shipping capability is at an all time low
Also there's some issues with operating out of some civilian airfields that the RAAF likes to use during interstate transit apparently due to it having a higher ground pressure than the old Hornets, although tbqh that's a very surmountable issue

F-35 wasn't a mistake but that reduction in anti-shipping capability for the RAAF would have been much better if it had been avoided

Eurasian times is a shitty website overall no clue where it came from it's just been showing up in my news feed the last few months

Eurasian times article seems to be saying broadly similar things to me although it heavily embellishes the language used

And also 2 of our planned 96 aircraft won't be able to be upgraded with better software? Wtf kind of point is that

Worst case scenario we relegate them to conversion training but I find it hard to believe they can't be upgraded at all

[full sorrel]

I'm trying to find a specific Eisenhower qoute. Been looking for like an hour and I'm starting to doubt if it was even said by him or anyone at all.
Definitely post war so perhaps during his presidency.

If I remember correctly it was during a speech outside and the weather was not so great. The qoute is relating to the weather and how he's not cared about the weather since June 1944 or how he considers every weather since d day good weather.
It's a super minor thing but I really want to find it.
Pretty sure the first time I saw that was in a video. But I've been looking for so long now that I'm starting to doubt if it's real at all.

Would appreciate if anyone could confirm that I'm not going crazy and that he or someone else did indeed say something along those lines at some point.

[delicate beacon]

Where my fluid dynamic experts. I need to extend the data from Hoffmann's articles from 14 to 16k ton and 32 to 34kts.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1599875565829648384

Gabriele Molinelli (@Gabriel64869839)

The review of data collected in the AJAX trials to test vibration and noise fixes proposed by General Dynamics has now concluded. The result was positive: noise and vibration levels remained within safe levels. AJAX will now progress to Reliability Growth Trials in January.

Twitter · Dec 5, 2022, 9:17 PM

[delicate beacon]

AJAX? But they canned that project 50 years ago

[fierce sparrow]

[delicate beacon]

It started and died in 1974

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/MON_GOV_PL/status/1600052578208841728
https://twitter.com/MON_GOV_PL/status/1600071412013596672

Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej 🇵🇱 (@MON_GOV_PL)

Wicepremier @mblaszczak: czołgi K2 i armatohaubice K9 trafią już za kilka dni do północno - wschodniej części Polski. W przyszłym roku do Polski dotrą m. in. kolejne egzemplarze tego sprzętu oraz wieloprowadnicowe wyrzutnie K239 CHUNMOO.

Likes

362

Twitter · Dec 6, 2022, 9:00 AM

Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej 🇵🇱 (@MON_GOV_PL)

"To ważny dzień w historii #WojskoPolskie. To ważne wydarzenie, które powoduje wzmocnienie siły Wojska Polskiego. Otóż sprzęt sprowadzony z 🇰🇷 – czołgi K2 i armatohaubice K9 są na 🇵🇱 ziemi - mówił wicepremier @mblaszczak w #Gdynia.

📄 https://t.co/ImS2aGUNZD

Likes

277

Twitter · Dec 6, 2022, 10:15 AM

[unborn wyvern]

I was going to make a joke about The National Intrest until I read "This year" carry on

[cinder escarp]

Sorry for the exceptionally late reply as I have gotten very sick, that's a 2A7+.

[frigid karma]

Ooh

Covid?

[cinder escarp]

Pretty predictable honestly, SB-1 while having things going for it was a far less well executed program (they missed several deadlines, V-280 was ahead of all of them), and this order is critical for keeping Bell in the military airframer business. Sikorsky won't be going anywhere, and while Boeing is in a very bad place as a company (it is honestly a gamble if they are still in business 10 years from now) - the problems are far deeper than winning this one contract could solve.

[cinder escarp]

Actually no, just one hell of a cold.

I ran da bovid tests

[shrewd pecan]

Defiant was worse in every performance statistic

In terms of foot print

Valor isn’t at all bad

Do hope the innovations made on the valor get moved over to some type of super osprey or osprey II

[cinder escarp]

Valor winning wasn't surprising one bit even though I favor compound helos over tiltrotors

SB-1 has been a programmatic mess

Missed basically every deadline...

[shrewd pecan]

On top of being worse in every performance statistic

Since the valor can go further, while being faster and carry more

[cinder escarp]

It honestly shouldn't be surprising at this point that a Boeing-involved program is a mess. Company is in shambles.

[shrewd pecan]

What happens when you have a company that used be ran by engineers ran by corpos instead

eh at least the F-15EX is still proving to be rather promising

[tight violet]

Google images is fucking useless for finding pics of the 2a7+ with 122 roofs

Anyway
Look at this guy
The rotor turns into a wing

Dont call it ugly tho

[shrewd pecan]

patlabor helicopters

[tight violet]

Allegedly the dragonfly had pitch up problems during transitions but that doesnt sound like something a little fuselage and engine placement modification cant overcome

[cinder escarp]

All 2A7+s have the 122 roofs even if it is hard to tell, they are built using the Leopard 2 Improved hull & turret.

[ivory ridge]

@rapid junco

[tight violet]

Say this model cover, i cant see it, maybe the extra turret side armour obscures it?

[cinder escarp]

It is normally covered by the turret side applique, yes

[rapid junco]

I saw it

Replying to Undie

Hope that can get over it

[ivory ridge]

[rapid junco]

There's people that are happy with that decision

Which i reached the point of constant stomachache fighting with those

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ndO6_BOK4

[rapid junco]

That was a rare occasion
Most cases were the opposite (X country declaring war on Germany)

Well
Probably there was another exceptions i forgot
Correct me if nedded

[delicate beacon]

The Dutch declared war on both Italy and Japan first

[rapid junco]

Although i was more thinking of a member of the Axis (germany mostly)
Declaring war on someone

I remember a case from WWI
Germany declared war on Portugal

[delicate beacon]

Huh

You'd think that'd be because Britain was involved.

But Britain technically fought an offensive war

[rapid junco]

There was already skirmishes between Portuguese and German colonial troops in Angola since 1914

And then tensions rose due to the unrestricted Submarine Warfare
The declaration of war by Germany happened after Portugal confiscated german and Austro-Hungarian ships in Portuguese ports
In 1916

[frigid karma]

I think that even if Hitler hadn’t declared war (which mhs suggests that wouldn’t have happened had the situation developed for a further one to two weeks) the involvement of Britain in the pacific war would’ve brought US fully alongside Britain, and consequently against Germany, especially since casus belli already exists with the Atlantic skirmishes)

[delicate beacon]

The US was mostly fighting its own public opinion.

I doubt that if Germany didn't declare war upon them, the public wouldn't be too dismayed that the US also officially enter against the European Axis forces to which the Japanese were cozying up with.

[junior trench]

By 1941?

No, not really

[delicate beacon]

Then why did they deny arms sales to the DEI

[frigid karma]

Dutch people

Nothing against you folks, just worried you might eat one of us

[junior trench]

Also

Like

[frigid karma]

Also; wasn’t dei campaign after Pearl? What does that have to do with prewar America

[junior trench]

Are we just going to ignore all the aircraft the US sold

Prior to Pearl

[delicate beacon]

Because the purchases were pre pearl

[delicate beacon]

Yes because most were sold to other countries after being paid for already

[junior trench]

No?

[frigid karma]

So there wasn’t a denial of arms sales

Because they did sell planes

[delicate beacon]

There was a denial of most sales. And the planes almost got denied as well because, amongst many reasons, the Americans weren't sure if the Dutch were Nazis.

[junior trench]

So then why were there 71 B-339s, 24 H-75s, 24 CW-21s, and 6 squadrons (58 aircraft) of Martin B-10s in the DEI?

Boohoo, those Americans only sold us hundreds of planes

[maiden citrus]

whoops

[frigid karma]

Cleve, you need to let the wild Europeans have their daily dose of America bad

SMH

How would they live without it ?

[manic latch]

Qwerty on defense of US

[frigid karma]

Yes

Yes I am

[tough quail]

oh shit im right on time for the counterjerking

[spring briar]

Join the war when it starts next time
More lend lease, now

Chat got abandoned faster than the allies abandoned Poland

Oh wait

[delicate beacon]

I only have the MLD data, not the LVA of the KNIL.
Of the ordered 36 Catalinas, 12 Amphibcal Catalinas, 48 Ryan STM-S 2, 24 Beechcfact trainers, 48 Douglas DB 7 C and 24 Vought-Sikorsky VS 310.
Of which were delivered to the Indies:
The 48 Ryan STM-S 2s and 18 (minus 2 lost in transit) of the 36 Catalinas

[junior trench]

Ok?

[tough quail]

the pinnacle of discussion as usual

[junior trench]

I mean, when the starting point is claiming that the US was denying arms sales then devolves into counting up exactly how many hundred aircraft the USS delivered compared to what was ordered...

[spring briar]

Meanwhile I’m just glad they delivered something atleast

[delicate beacon]

I dont exactly have the other data on hand. Just citations. And I'm not through the book yet either.

[tough quail]

its at least not as uh

weird as fuck as it was with the french

[delicate beacon]

How did that go

[junior trench]

France placed their orders late

Which resulted in the British needing to learn metric when they took over most of the orders

And also the funny French reversed throttles

[tough quail]

(The US Congress allowed the export of Vought’s V-156-F to France, but blocked export of the bomb bay mechanism on national security grounds. The French were forced to make do with two external bombs.)

[delicate beacon]

Sounds about something the US would do

[maiden citrus]

didn't pretz literally debunk this

[tough quail]

given it was just a shitty trapeze thing this is one of the strangest conditions ive

ever seen

[junior trench]

Probably

[maiden citrus]

I seem to recall that happening

something to do with the french having their own version they were going to install anyway iirc

[tough quail]

as far as im aware the "security reasons" were the reason they replaced it

[maiden citrus]

the original sin

[tough quail]

While based on the earlier SB2U-2, the V-156-F featured a number of changes to meet the needs of the French Navy. The throttle was reversed so that it operated in the opposite way from U.S. standards (full power in the rearmost position) and metric instrumentation replaced U.S. instruments. French radio equipment was installed in place of American radios and French Darne 7.5-mm machine guns replaced the U.S. .30-caliber machine-guns. The French were not allowed to use the Vought bomb displacement gear (for security reasons) and it was deleted with the understanding that French Alkan equipment would be installed after the aircraft were delivered. By May of 1940 this equipment had still not been installed so most French V-156-F combat missions were carried out using only the underwing bomb racks. One other feature of the V-156-F was that wing-mounted fence-type dive brakes (rejected by the U.S. Navy) were installed on the V-156-F.

[maiden citrus]

smacks the bofors with tf2 wrench

[spring briar]

Reminds me of french blueprints that were converted to imperial for the US shipbuilders

[manic latch]

Imagine still insisting on Imperial

[maiden citrus]

and it was deleted with the understanding that French Alkan equipment would be installed after the aircraft were delivered.

yeh

[manic latch]

Too late to change now I guess

[spring briar]

Y they so interested in feet ova der

[maiden citrus]

meter is what caused fdg

[spring briar]

Imagine having to change all those drill bit sizes

[junior trench]

Imperial is based 12. So it's kind of based like that. It just has a less fancy arbitrary base unit of measurement.

[spring briar]

You just said that to say “imperial is based” didn’t you

[maiden citrus]

my ancestors smile on me imperial

[tough quail]

yeah but

[spring briar]

Imperial is very handy for naval fans looking to buy a laptop

[tough quail]

the previous part

[manic latch]

US: We are free from Imperialism

EU: Why you still use Imperialist measurements

US: >:(

[tough quail]

that just says they had an actual plan to replace it

[spring briar]

15” screen —> 38 cm

Ezzz

[tough quail]

so the plane wasnt basically garbage

[manic latch]

What's " for 380

[tough quail]

lmao

[manic latch]

14.9?

[spring briar]

14.96

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

POV: The La Gal’s on trial run doing 35 kts (designed for 31)

POV: USS Timmerman

POV: Zukhov in 1944

[maiden citrus]

the sailors hitting full throttle with the expectation of middling speed:

every engineer spitting out their coffee upon hearing what happened:

[manic latch]

In an alternative world

[spring briar]

God we love boats

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Indeed

[maiden citrus]

I own a few boats, a few boat models, what makes you say I love boats

[spring briar]

shows you a picture of Nevada

[maiden citrus]

tries to offer it a hot dog out of instinctual affection

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

:murmdog:

my fastest boat does about 54 knots

[spring briar]

I have something to discuss

[maiden citrus]

I'm listening

[ivory ridge]

sorry only burgers for now

[manic latch]

Fuck you

P-38ifies YF-23

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002399391488946186.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[maiden citrus]

impressive bow cannon

[tough quail]

is that a

giant zubr with a runway

what

[ivory ridge]

Saigon||deez||

[spring briar]

I’m sorry

[manic latch]

Model 2500 ye

[maiden citrus]

for what? bringing heaven to earth?

[spring briar]

It’s Japanese

[delicate beacon]

Refurbishing boss: "Wow Sanglune you sure know your laptop screens"
Right... Laptop screens...

[maiden citrus]

it matters little in this case, it's beautiful

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/1049588517124190320/Trieste_AvCruiser.png

[tough quail]

manmade horrors beyond my comprehension

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/433028614435504128/976927261678792714/kyarunerd.gif

[manic latch]

So they say

[junior trench]

Like the meter was originally defined as the length of a metal rod made by the French. It's only recently that it was contorted to be a """natural""" unit based upon the distance light travels in an absurd factional of a second.

And the kilogram still isn't defined.

[spring briar]

Didn’t they want to base it on a sphere of silicon

[junior trench]

You could just as easily have ended up with a metrication of avoirdupois units

[delicate beacon]

But we do

[junior trench]

Only the French purposefully set out to divorce their new system from the British as much as possible

[spring briar]

Tu as du pois

[ivory ridge]

In "Storia Militare" n. 196 (January 2010) Enrico Cernuschi described the unknown project of an early Italian helicopter/VTOL carrier of 60's.
During 1965 the Italian Navy seriously considered the possibility to modify the proposed second "Vittorio Veneto" cruiser into a sort of small carrier, dubbed "Trieste".
The ship should share the same hull of Veneto as much the same engines and most of its armament, included Terrier missiles launch pad.

The ship should be 190 meters of lenght, 20 meters of width and 9,000 tons of mass.
The ship should be also equipped with a couple of SPG-55C radars (as the Vittorio Veneto did), and with 4 OTO Melara 127/54 cannons and also other 4 ones of 76/62.
A relatively small landing deck would allows helicopter and VTOL fighter operations (most notably the VAK-191B for Italian Navy), with a lower hangar able to host at least up to 12 helicopters/aircrafts.
The island would be also small, at least 15 meters lenght and 8 meters width.
The helicopters would be the Agusta/Sikorsky SH-3D (as later embarched on Garibaldi).
The ship would have one only elevator placed backward, designed aroud the VAK-191.

The project ended in 1966 since Italian Government decided to use the money allocated for the Trieste to build a new nuclear 18.000 ship dubbed "Enrico Fermi".
In September 1970 even the Fermi project was stopped and the funds were exploited to allow Italy to join the MRCA Panavia Tornado programme.

If built and launched the Trieste would give a first carrier to Italy at least 15 years before the actual Giuseppe Garibaldi. With the end of VAK-191 programme, Italian Navy could choose between the Sea Harrier or the AV-8A (as already Spain did). Someone noted that probably the deck would be extended to the whole hull respect the original drawings (removing all the armaments) giving the Trieste much like a Garibaldi look.

[junior trench]

Which is respectable

[spring briar]

It’s a good system

[tough quail]

based

[delicate beacon]

Now I get to order in metric ounces and pounds.

[manic latch]

Mig-29 and Su-27 mommy

[spring briar]

@maiden citrus ok hear me out

[delicate beacon]

Where 772

[junior trench]

You already do?

The US pound is federally defined as a value of kilos

[manic latch]

Ayay

[spring briar]

Ok but krem my plane is real

[manic latch]

where is it

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Smaller than it looks

[delicate beacon]

A pound was 1000g de jure but now is 500g de facto. Not sure what an ounce was but now it's 100g here.

[spring briar]

Did Soyuz tell you that?

[manic latch]

[delicate beacon]

Fortunately I dont have to deal with the pre metric mess of Dutch units too often

[maiden citrus]

I heard wonderful things

[spring briar]

Reno is distressed

[spring briar]

DD with 4x1 164.7mm guns

[manic latch]

Grokhovsky G-38

[manic latch]

What about S-37?

[spring briar]

Canards too far back

[manic latch]

An integrated electro-optical system and defensive aids suite (DAS) were also planned, today technologies found on the F-35. Unlike the F-35 it also had 800kg of armour plate for the pilot and other sensitive areas. To reduce vulnerability on the ground it also, oddly for a non-naval aircraft, had folding wingtips allowing more to be packed into a hardened air shelter

[spring briar]

Aids

Wat

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Reread your first sentence

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_aids_system

Sigh

[spring briar]

Imagine

[ivory ridge]

Frens

[manic latch]

Fren

[ivory ridge]

Frens

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

Thicker than she looks

[junior trench]

Yes, plywood is often thicker than metal when used in similar applications

[manic latch]

You know what's thicker?

my heart

[junior trench]

Jesus christ what the fuck no

[manic latch]

Now it's China's turn to make this picture real

[spring briar]

Imagine

[manic latch]

But if you close your eyes

[spiral cedar]

US actually uses the US Customary system and not Imperial

Some stuff is the same but some ain't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_measurement_systems

Having this shared heritage, the two systems are quite similar, but there are differences. The US customary system is based on English systems of the 18th century, while the Imperial system was defined in 1824, almost a half-century after American independence.

Kinda like how humans and apes have a shared common ancestor but neither evolved from the other

[cinder escarp]

Basically: the US uses an even older and crustier version of the British system

[cinder escarp]

I must apologize, but whenever goofy ah French plane prototypes are shown off

The Coléoptère must be posted

[humble mulch]

What the fuck

[strong plank]

Does anyone know where I might find the Aberdeen t34 report

all I’m finding rn are blogs talking about it

and I trust those less than I trust gas station sushi

[manic latch]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13518046.2015.998132

Sorry I'm very late but

Can this help?

[strong plank]

Already submitted but it’s all good

I found a 1951 report on a captured T-34/85

[manic latch]

"In the T-34-85 the diameter of the ring was widened to 1,600 millimeters, which allowed to place three men and an 85 mm gun in its enlarged turret. In comparison, the diameter of the turret ring on the Sherman Tank was 1,753 millimeters. This provided its crew more than 1.5 times the ‘living space’ of the T-34. Thus, it is not surprising that the Americans did not understand how it was possible for the T-34 tankers to arrange themselves in it"

Meanwhile 76mm t34 was 1,420 millimeters

The Soviet report about the Aberdeen tests noted that they had never encountered more meticulous and pedantic tank maintenance technicians than the Americans.

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/1600371756627554319?s=20&t=kCoRBNB65lnbZdEbheTJBw

Boeing Airplanes (@BoeingAirplanes)

There she goes!

The last 747 has left our Everett factory ahead of delivery to Atlas Air in early 2023. #QueenOfTheSkies

Photos: Boeing/Paul Weatherman

Likes

6959

Retweets

1577

Twitter · Dec 7, 2022, 6:08 AM

[tawny harness]

I used to think this kind of bombers could only exist in Wolfenstein for some reason

[tawny harness]

I think the most common explanation for T-34 low comfortability is due to the short lifespan it have where the tank was expected to lasted a few days at most.
Not sure how reliable that claim is though, I remembered Glantz didn't agreed much with that notion.

[remote monolith]

false notion. Tank building is expensive and lengthy no matter the design, making a tank that only last a few days is a gross waste of resources. This goes for everyone

the T-34 is uncomfortable yes, and early on many factories churned out examples with overall low qualities, but the design itself is quite reliable and longlasting

also @ivory ridge question, why does Italian ships rarely uses any Roman names outside of Caesar? I don't remember any ships ever being named Trajan, Diocletian or Didius Julianus

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/RAF_Luton/status/1599792980516564993?s=20&t=Y-SLDU_a_bN2EGKbciOpsw

RAF_Luton (@RAF_Luton)

Photo of the Day: A Tornado F3s (small) and F3L (Large) fly over the Tyne Bridge and Sage music venue in Sunderland where Geordies gather to celebrate the annual Fog on the Tyne festival starring local Mackem legend Jimmy Nail

Photographed from a Canberra

Likes

3952

Retweets

311

Twitter · Dec 5, 2022, 3:49 PM

[spiral cedar]

Today’s the day

[desert agate]

oh shit yeah

it is

[remote monolith]

oh shit yeah today's the day

[desert agate]

very infamous today

when the kido butai is sus

[maiden citrus]

[ivory ridge]

Just gonna quote Phoenix for this one

[eternal veldt]

Something something Mare Nostrum

[valid trout]

oh fr shit i forgot todays the day lol

[remote monolith]

ah I see

so Mussolini's Romaboo tendencies is to blame

[spring briar]

Perhaps kind of like french reluctance to use Gallic names

[remote monolith]

just use Frankish ones 4head

Merovingian has a good ring to it

[tawny harness]

Kinda weird that the USSR have the T-72B but then later Russia decided to named the next upgrade as T-90

[ivory ridge]

in the end Russia kept upgrading both separately either way

[manic latch]

Soviet Union collapsed at the stage where next gen MBTS were being tested

New Russia couldn't afford such programs

So yeah T-72 upgrade being T-90 is smh

It's like the Challenger 3

You know it's a Chal 2 as core

But got some new stuff and number for PR

[ivory ridge]

the T-72B3 is from a decade after the first T-90 with the welded turret rolled out

the B3 obr. 2016 is from the same year as the t-90M

[manic latch]

T-80BVM

You either have models of many tanks or just 1 main tank.
Poland is doing multiple for example

While US sticks to Abrams only

With new light tank project as smh I guess

[tawny harness]

Sometime I think that while there are numerous upgrades now, the T-90 original design is from T-72 which is very old at this point, even M1 Abrams is younger than that

[manic latch]

Which T-72 related to T-64

It's a fundamental problem ye

Soviets were going to replace that with 152mm MBT projects

Especially beings like Object 195

But well it collapsed before that

[tawny harness]

Hold on, I thought the T-64 is a seperated program that end up as T-80? Or did I got it wrong with the T-62?

[manic latch]

T-72= T-64 but actually cheap and more reliable

T-80= T-64+ T-72

[ivory ridge]

the t-80 is directly related to the 64, same autoloader different engine

the t-72 is "based" on the 64 by being a similar concept made to be cheaper

[manic latch]

Yeah T-64 was quality while T-72 turned it to quantity ish

[tawny harness]

Wait, so is the T-62 a seperate thing alltogether or did it come from the T-55?

[manic latch]

T-62 doesn't have autoloader

T-64 Does

So T-62 is better T-55 and cheap
T-64 is much better T-55 and expensive

[tawny harness]

Only through this conversation, that I even remembered T-64 was a thing. I used to thing T-62 is the only mass produced tank in its generation

TBH, American tank is much easier to remember during the Cold War

[manic latch]

Given 13k T-64 was build. Im surprised

[tawny harness]

You have M46,M47,M48 and M60 Patton

Then we have M1 Abrams

Voila

[manic latch]

What about their variants?

[tawny harness]

I guess because most games I played only included the T-62 but not T-64

[manic latch]

World of tanks I see

[tawny harness]

Well, its got more complicated than that but hey, look at T-55 right now

[cinder escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNECMA_Coléoptère

It's a ducted fan VTOL.

[cinder escarp]

Not shown: the fact that this is not a simple spool-down. They've basically torn down all the old tooling.

[cinder escarp]

T-64 -> T-80
T-55 -> T-62 -> T-72 -> T-90

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

@delicate beacon 340mm Mle.1912

[delicate beacon]

French guns

[spring briar]

I will post a picture of it every day

[delicate beacon]

I need SEM-30

[spring briar]

25mm Hotchkiss

soon in AL

[delicate beacon]

I should probably work on my tabs backlog again

Oooh, tapered base

[spring briar]

yes

I'm kinda excited for tomorrow

if ya couldn't tell

[delicate beacon]

Same

Not as much

but 57mm and french stuff

Finaly some good stuff

[spring briar]

25mm hotchkiss AA

me looking for french 57 mm AA shells

https://tenor.com/view/anime-searching-looking-gif-12390527

(can't find em)

@delicate beacon

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8dTsFWJHIQ

[dark spade]

Okay I am having trouble finding it on the internet, maybe bad question for the system to find what I want

What time was TORA TORA TORA broadcasted to all the Japanese ships and crew?

What time did the aircraft take off?

What time did the Japanese start the attack on pearl,

[dark spade]

What time did Japan declare war on the USA.

[delicate beacon]

I don't think they "declared" war

[autumn sorrel]

They intentionally delaying and blame it on decoding the message

[dark spade]

7183....

Oh it's the date code nvm

[dark spade]

They did but it was like an hour or 2 after the attack began

[delicate beacon]

Yeah but I recall that being a partial declaration or something, not actually one of war.

Peace and war is complicated

[dark spade]

I feel like I need to watch tora tora tora to get my times

[frigid karma]

The Imperial edict of declaration of war by the Empire of Japan on the United States and the British Empire (米國及英國ニ對スル宣戰ノ詔書) was published on December 8, 1941 (Japan time; December 7 in the United States), 7.5 hours after Japanese forces started an attack on the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor and attacks on British forces in Malaya, Singapore, and Hong Kong. The declaration of war was printed on the front page of all Japanese newspapers' evening editions on December 8. The document was subsequently printed again on the eighth day of each month throughout the war (until Japan surrendered in 1945), to re-affirm the resolve for the war.

wouldnt recommend movies for times

[ivory ridge]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8002-development-winter-event-vehicles-t-80um-2-en

hey look

it's that prototype that was destroyed during current events

[frigid karma]

must not comment

must not comment

[spring briar]

[dark spade]

Ye they all have stuff wrong but at least tora tora tora seems to be the most accurate of the pearl movies

[dark spade]

This today's dev blog?

[frigid karma]

still would recommend actual literature

or, you know, the official declaration of war signed by the japanese

[dark spade]

Oh yes

And battle reports from both sides is best too

[manic latch]

Should have add this girl instead. Since we already have too many T-80s in this game so just end it with adding the best one

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1600519465225035782

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1941, USS Ward fired the first shots of the war in the Pacific when the destroyer sank a submarine trying to enter Pearl Harbor. The 14th Naval District HQ believed the action was just a false report, not recognizing that the sub was part of an incoming Japanese attack.

Twitter · Dec 7, 2022, 3:55 PM

[tough quail]

...on?

nothing there is wrong

[manic latch]

No thermals will indeed hurt it alot on night battles too

Risky trade for aps

[tough quail]

i assume it's just gonna get dumped to 10.0

so it'll just be a blind meat wall if you miraculously dont get uptiered

that and it wont get the gud™️ round the T-80U does, like how they balanced the T-80UK

[ivory ridge]

uhm

armed with a punchy AP round capable of penetrating over 500 mm armor at all firing distances

that means it gets

the same 536mm pen round of the russian T-80Us

not the Mango from the swedish t-80U

also the UK also gets the 536mm one

they just dont get the 580mm one

[manic latch]

Centauro for Soviet tree since Russia tested it once

[ivory ridge]

T-80BVM, T-72B3 and T-90A get 3BM60, 580mm pen
T-80U, T-80UK and this new one get 3BM46, 532mm pen

the Swedish T-80U gets 3BM42, Mango, 457mm pen

and the last one is also 10.7, btw

i dont see the new one being lower than 10.7

[tough quail]

didnt the T-80U get a better round than the T-80UK does

im SUPER rusty

[ivory ridge]

No, the T90 was buffed

only the 2 top of the line vehicles used to have 3BM60

now it's those 2 plus the t90A

the T-80Us still both have 3BM46, but at least they still reload faster than the T72s and 90

[manic latch]

Wonder if they will add T-72B3M 2022 version later

[ivory ridge]

T-62M Obr.2022

[manic latch]

Rear has era, roof has era, and backside also has era instead slat

Manlet also gets era

Could be nice upgrade

Oh yeah front tracks also gets Era like T-90M

[ivory ridge]

not sure if i can post this but it's about the tank upgrade so

https://twitter.com/AndreiBtvt/status/1583565169086504960

Andrei_bt (@AndreiBtvt)

Looks like T-62MV got an upgrade of night sigt with thermals installed -

Likes

361

Twitter · Oct 21, 2022, 9:05 PM

T-62MV obr.2022

[manic latch]

Hmm what BR tho

Thermals are really good advantage. Do they worth 1.0 BR difference?

Or smh like 0.3?

[spring briar]

Hehe

Sigt

[tough quail]

gotcha, thank

i mean im too lazy to get it even as a t-80u wanker

[shrewd pecan]

the most accurate T-80 series tank in war thunder

[shrewd pecan]

lol

[manic latch]

I think horse and I missing the funny here

What's wrong with it

[shrewd pecan]

the T-80U and T-80BV both have thermals in game

despite never having thermals irl

[ivory ridge]

Wait

Like i know one of the very late Us had thermals, so for some reason they added them on the base one

[shrewd pecan]

I suppose the T-80U's thermal upgrade is just making it a T-80UK tho if its meant to be the baseline T-80U

it shouldn't have thermals

[ivory ridge]

The T80U with thermals is not a UK specifically tho

It's just

[shrewd pecan]

there's also the T-80UM

[ivory ridge]

A U with thermals

[shrewd pecan]

which does have thermals

tho the T-80BV

no idea why the hell that has thermals

like seriously that thing doesn't get thermals until the 2017 T-80BVM

[ivory ridge]

Like technically the first half of the Arietes didn't have CITV

The latter half did

So ingame it does

[manic latch]

I think T-80B had it

[shrewd pecan]

I mean there's a chance I guess that at somepoint there's been a retrofit

tho only thing I can see that for is the T-80UM

[ivory ridge]

wait a second

[shrewd pecan]

nothing for the T-80BV or T-80B

[ivory ridge]

there is no

80BV

ingame

[manic latch]

Maybe it's up to which T-80U is?

[shrewd pecan]

that's T-80UM

[ivory ridge]

wait

[shrewd pecan]

"The T-80U(M) of the 1990s introduced the TO1-PO2 Agava gunner's thermal imaging sight and 9M119M Refleks-M guided missile, and later an improved 2A46M-4 version of the 125 mm gun and 1G46M gunner's sight was used."

[ivory ridge]

the t-80B becomes BV ingame

i thought it was a separate vehicle

lol

[manic latch]

Doesn't B3 also become B3M with module?

Fuck variants are confusing

[shrewd pecan]

it does

[manic latch]

Was always fan of major refits instead small by small ones

[shrewd pecan]

so T-80U having thermals makes sense since the thermal upgrade just makes its a T-80UM

for the T-80B/BV

no fucking idea why that has thermals

[manic latch]

In 1992, some T-80Us started receiving the Agava-2 thermal imager, though not in large amounts because industry delayed the supplies.  The images produced by the divice are displayed on a TV-set type screen in the fighting compartment.  The developers of the system were awarded the Kotin Prize for their system.  In addition to that the new assembled tanks were equipped with R-163-50U radio sets.  With all additions and upgrades the vehicle recieved the designation T-80UM.

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

T-80UM

[manic latch]

T-80UWU

[shrewd pecan]

knowing how stuff works in the Soviet tree it makes sense

since the retrofits will make the tank to a entirely new variant

tho I still have no idea what upgrade for the T-80BV would give it thermals since it doesn't seem to get them until T-80BVM

and T-80BVMs is its own thing ingame

[manic latch]

They should just stop with it

T-84 Oplot M and Black Eagle should be last ones

[shrewd pecan]

black eagle

[manic latch]

Especially Black Eagle having West style autoloader

[shrewd pecan]

8 rounds

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

apparently it carried 35-40 rounds

tho I'm assuming only a fraction of that

were in the autoloader

eh nothing's beating the M1 Thumpers autoloader I suppose

since the thing was actually able to replenish the ready rack

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

we could of had peak abraham lincoln

[manic latch]

God

[manic sluice]

we must agree that the bob semple tank was the best of WWII

[tough quail]

unfortunately

once again, soviets did it better

[frigid karma]

Not enough MGs

[spring briar]

is that one of those sebastopol tanks

[tough quail]

yes

[spring briar]

pog

traktor

[tough quail]

well, odessa, close enough

the ones they built exactly 69 of

[spring briar]

eh same thing

[tough quail]

stupid tractor shitbarges are better when they actually kill krauts

FOR FRIGHT

[spring briar]

me: has cesare
also me: uses viribus unitis instead bc???

I am going to die

[tough quail]

because she looks cool

[frigid karma]

GC balanced

Like fujin

[spring briar]

and gremyashy

[tough quail]

mm myes grembles

[frigid karma]

8km torps because fuck you lol

[spring briar]

111k dmg in viribus unitis

not bad

not bad

I also clapped a kongo

[humble mulch]

Odessa was mainly against Romanians

[spring briar]

yeas

[tough quail]

romania also captured

68 of them

[humble mulch]

LOL

[tough quail]

you will not have the sex number

you cucks

[spring briar]

I want Gremyashy in wows

NOW

[humble mulch]

Dude Odessa was an absolute fucking mess

But at least we stole their sex number

Fuck now I want to print one for my Romanians models

Didn’t know they actually captured any of the damn things

[tough quail]

im hoping i pull gremy in this round of uber gambling too

at least i think she's included i dont remember

[spring briar]

horse

imma listen to "the red army is the strongest - rock remix"

while clapping in my oktober revolution

[tough quail]

based

god i need to go look up what all i got last year in the gambling run

it was uh

lucrative

mysore, ise, hyuga, west virginia, enterprise, agincourt, abruzzi, leone, yukon, strasbourg, lazo, enough coal to get mp, aaaaaaand

azuma, alaska, smolensk and salem

lmfao

[spring briar]

Oh

imma use Oklahoma in Ranked

I have a secbuild

[frigid karma]

It’s gonna be pain

Play New York instead, she’s underrated

[spring briar]

nah imma just park near the caps

[manic latch]

Man we still don't have a fucking Impretritsa Mariya class

[spring briar]

no she sucks

[frigid karma]

New York is nice

[tough quail]

yeah mariya being out is

odd

[frigid karma]

I thought she sucks but like

No

[spring briar]

I rekt a NY in a viribus

[frigid karma]

She does pretty well

[spring briar]

texas is better

[frigid karma]

I had like a 65 winrate

[spring briar]

better turret angles

[tough quail]

heres the thing

two over three is based

therefor oklahoma is better

[spring briar]

yes

and secbuild

[frigid karma]

More turret is better

And also 34s reload is cringe

[spring briar]

*38s

[frigid karma]

Dear god it’s 38?

[spring briar]

strongest NY user vs weakest oklahoma enjoyer

[frigid karma]

Vermont reload for same firepower as NY

Man shut up

[tough quail]

...fuck me i just realized i

[frigid karma]

You play okie for secondaries

[spring briar]

yes

[tough quail]

genuinely opened 69 boxes last year

[frigid karma]

You’re one step away from being a

A

[tough quail]

[frigid karma]

A German bb main

[spring briar]

took you long enough to figure that out

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

weakest BB's

[frigid karma]

Secondary baboon

[spring briar]

took germany until the bayerns to realise 12" is cringe

[frigid karma]

“Hello yes I would like to run straight at the enemy for low passive damage that doesn’t pen most shit”

-the criminally insane

[spring briar]

it's ok Qwerty

I'm playing Ohotnik now

[manic latch]

Okhotnik

[spring briar]

least insane russian bote

[manic latch]

Sexy tho ngl

Wish she was in AL

[frigid karma]

Fake

[manic latch]

Tallest loli

[frigid karma]

Also long does not equal tall

[manic latch]

?

[frigid karma]

Show picture of her irl

Otherwise she’s fake ship

[spring briar]

Agincourt HE spam time

[frigid karma]

Also t5 pr lol

Richy, I dare you to play t5 cruiser

Be a man

[manic latch]

Deal. But you have to show me Montana's picture irl

[frigid karma]

Montanas a fake ship

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

Wtf are you talking about

[manic latch]

Fake= WG design

[frigid karma]

No

[manic latch]

Offical designs ain't fake

Shut

[frigid karma]

Fake = not built

Fake paper ships

[manic latch]

Or Else Iowa is fake in 1930s

[spring briar]

I play Exeter a lot in T5 ranked
easy wins

[manic latch]

Which ain't logical

[frigid karma]

Well

Kremlin what the fuck are you trying to do

[spring briar]

also Emile Bertin

ez cap steals

[frigid karma]

I’m saying okh was not built

[manic latch]

Kirov

[frigid karma]

Kirov is eh

Guns cant overmatch cruisers

And your cit is the size of a dd

[manic latch]

nice velocity tho still

[frigid karma]

Pretty sure furry taco outclasses her

In like

Every relevant matter

[spring briar]

Exeter is citadels on every cruiser

[frigid karma]

203 against tier five cruiser plating

Lol, lmao

Doesn’t furry have 25

[ivory ridge]

Once i was oneshot by a genova

Playing fujin

[frigid karma]

Broadside and sap?

[ivory ridge]

I tried to torp rush it from behind and island

Yeah

[frigid karma]

Noob

[ivory ridge]

Like genova is pretty bad but sometimes it's just lmao

[spring briar]

Genova
God's easiest cit

[ivory ridge]

20s reload moment

[spring briar]

Emile Bertin is a free DD in T5 ranked

it's busted

[frigid karma]

Dd with a cit

[spring briar]

39 kts

[frigid karma]

She’s good, but I’d still take a dd

[spring briar]

hah

just island hug

God, send me your best DD
God sends Emile Bertin

40 knot bote

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9A54ODrzq0

[spring briar]

Japanese Pearl Harbor scale model

[fervent wyvern]

Riche
Analysis

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Pluton / 2400t (Bison) class?

[spring briar]

We getting the old 138.6

Yes

[delicate beacon]

Basically the first non casemate 14cm

From what I can tell

[spring briar]

Also it’s Guépard class

[delicate beacon]

Blame navweaps

Dutch weapons wen

[fervent wyvern]

So they just old baguette guns

[spring briar]

The 130 mle 1924 is from the Adroit class torpilleurs d’escadre

[spring briar]

Yee

[fervent wyvern]

Almost had twin 138.6

Ready to upgrade all my baguette guns

[spring briar]

And the twin 13’s are those on le hardi

But we will likely get those on dunkek instead

So with a different mounting and turret

No twin 138.6 because otherwise we’d have 2 new french UR gears

[fervent wyvern]

If only

[delicate beacon]

What about 12cm No. 9

[spring briar]

[cinder escarp]

It's very true, but going into great detail would take a very long writeup.

[maiden citrus]

[delicate beacon]

Such a cutie

[spring briar]

Kanonneerboot

Maar ze is nederlands

En wordt niet gebruikt in duitse tech trees

[delicate beacon]

And has her design No. 9s instead of No. 8s

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

the child

[frigid karma]

what guns

105s?

[delicate beacon]

120mm full auto

[frigid karma]

Neat

[tawny harness]

Anyone know why the Sovier prefer the P-47 over the P-51 from the American? A lot of people stated that when the US start to send the latter, the Russian were not impressive in the slightest but show much interest in the former

[spring briar]

Iowa with da quad 8”

[frigid karma]

What the

Fuck

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Wait so at tier 9 we have

Battleships with 12 15 inch guns

And 12 8 inch guns

[frigid karma]

So this is literally fat Buffalo

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766535117803356162/1050200767518232646/dc66cka-44de6b7f-a30a-4564-a306-5fc1bdf50d0a.png

[delicate beacon]

Why isn't she named Kentucky though cirF

[frigid karma]

Because it’s 65

[ivory ridge]

new PR

fuck the BBVs

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Question

Will she be in vanguard

[ivory ridge]

no she is a BB

[frigid karma]

Then what will her salvo be

One CA salvo?

[tawny harness]

Does anyone what is the naming covention with the USSR/ Russia for their ships?

[frigid karma]

BBs are named after Soviet states if Soyuz class, or some battles

DDs named after cities, Cruisers after famous people

[tawny harness]

What about sub? I think they were named after some kind of number

[maiden citrus]

the p47 was extremely durable and had high firepower, the p51 is primarily a long range high altitude fighter, which is not where most fights took place there, they loved the p39 for the same reason

[spring briar]

The P47 is big

[maiden citrus]

big, tough, could carry way more bombs

[spring briar]

Thats the reason

It being big gives so many options in terms of armament

[tawny harness]

Isn't it also have something to do with altitude where most air battle in the Eastern Front took place close to the ground?

[maiden citrus]

yes, though I did state that

[tawny harness]

Yeah, I just noticed that

[maiden citrus]

the p47 does have good high altitude performance, just not as good as the p51, but it's also just tougher, has more weapons and a much higher bomb load

the p51 could escort bombers at heights enemy fighters couldn't compete while still heavily armed, but the p47 was just a flexible flying brick

I personally like the p39 and p47 better myself as well

the p51 is not particularly durable, breaking the mold some

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/childe-surprised-boobaa-genshin-impact-scared-gif-21423636

[tough quail]

wh

what

[frigid karma]

Scheme h

Kind of

[chilly flower]

First and foremost- they did not like the P-47 very much either!
While both aircraft are capable fighter-bombers, it's actually this quality that made them less palatable to the VVS, as it had no need for fighter-bombers when IL-2s (and later the IL-10) made up the brunt of the air to ground force, so their qualities as fighters mattered more
And in this regard, many pilots did not like the Jug (pardon typos, raw text from a forum thread):

"I have heard that some were used as inteceptors over Moscow-
A total of 203 were said to have been delivered to the USSR.
They were "ferried to Abaden, Iran, where they were turned over to Soviet pilots"

"Other online sources state that 195 "D" models went to Russia, who (the Russians) apparently did not like them that much."

"The Red Army Air Force gets 196 Thunderbolts P-47D-22-RE & P-47D-27-RE. The Russian pilots did not like it. They said that under 6.000 meters Thunderbolt was more like a flying heavy target rather than a fighter. It was probably intended to be a high altitude escort fighter but Russians did not have many heavy bombers to escort. So most Thunderbolts did not reach the front and served in the air defense units in Roumania, Hungary and 50 of them in the North fleet. In such way P-47 was not used in combat by Soviets."```

and a relevant snippet from a much longer continuation, if you wish to read it all (and more), you will find it here:
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=160342

Posted Fri February 27 2004 10:58
Translated from airwar.ru. I`m not the best translator in the world, but this will give you an idea.

"Year 1944 and 1945. The press-service of firm Republic very much frequently published a symbolical picture of four fighters Ð-47 "Thunderbolt" in colors of the Air Forces of USA, the Great Britain, Brazil and Soviet Union. But " group portrait " does not suffice only "Thunderbolt" with a cocarde of the French Air Forces. Within the second world war fighters Ð-47 consist in arcenal of the Air Forces of five states.

By quantity(amount) received "Thunderbolt" Soviet Union takes the fourth place. William Green in the fundamental work " Warplanes of the Second World War " speaks about 203 sent of USA in USSR "Thunderbolt" of variants P-47D-22-RE and P-47D-27-RE, 196 planes, according to Green, has reached the addressee. The information from archive of the general Staff of the Air Forces of the Soviet Army differs not strongly - 190 fighters Ð-47 is received in 1944 and five - in 1945. Probably, in the Soviet archive one more is not taken into account(discounted) plane - P-47D-10-RE factory number 42-75202 bought on collected American senators of means, this plane has received an own name " Knight of Pythias ". It(him) tested in middle of 1944 in scientific research institute of the Air Forces and ËÈÈ.

"Thunderbolt" has disappointed soviet pilots - verifiers. One of best engineers - test pilots Mark Lazarevich Gallaj said about flight on Ð-47:

" First minutes of flight I knew this is not a fighter! Steady, with comfortable spacious cockpit, convenient, but - not a fighter. "Thunderbolt" had not acceptable maneuverability in horizontal and it is especial in vertical . The plane slowly was dispersed - inertia of heavy aircraft had an effect. But "Thunderbolt" is wonderful for simple flight on a route without sharp maneuvers. It is not enough for a fighter ."

Not really different opinion about "Thunderbolt" from pilots had Soviet aviation ingineers. Not looking at the licked forms of a fuselage and apparent perfection of aerodynamics, factor CX at "Thunderbolt" appeared less than at main German fighters Bf. 109G and Fw-190A. Interest has caused not the plane, but turbocharger , the engine, the aviation equipment. The plane have disassembled "by bones" and have carefully studied in the Bureau of new engineering comission (ÁÍÒ ÍÊÀÏ). Experts ÁÍÒ have let out in Russian the full description on fighter Ð-47. Engineers have made conclusions also concerning quality and methods of manufacturing of units and units that flew American fighter, having noted, that on a technological level Soviet aviation industry lags behind from American.

Front pilots of Air Force have not estimated highly a transatlantic miracle. The escort of heavy bombers in 1944 at Soviet Union was not the slightest need - all weight of war was born(carried) on itself with front aircraft. Air fights on the soviet-German front were conducted at heights below 6000 m, just at those heights where "TBOLT" more all resembled a flying target. On small heights Ð-47 lost on all aspects to any Soviet or german fighter of a sample of 1944. The interesting fact - it is possible, that americans tried to improve manuevering qualities of "Soviet" "Thunderbolt", delivering them with already removed(taken off) external machine guns. Actually "Thunderbolt" repeated a history of soviet fighter MIG- 3 - outstanding at high alt and clumsy at the ground. This type of plane in Air Force during the war appeared dead.```

TL;DR: The P-47, like the previous MiG-3, was considered far too brick-ish at lower altitudes (where air combat mostly took place on the Eastern Front, often below 6000m) and being a fighter-bomber could not make up for it either as they did not want, nor need one (so it often served as long-range patrols in less important places)

[tough quail]

i never read super far into this properly but this does match the impressive i'd gotten so far

[chilly flower]

As for the Mustang, it should be noted that they first received the Mustang Mk. I (or P-51A basically), which was before the P-51s got Merlin engines (which also did not help much as there was an emphasis on higher altitude performance with the Merlin), and were not satisfied with it

Despite the fact that the Mk.I did not impress Soviet pilots and engineers during state tests, three Mustangs were sent to the 3rd Air Army on the Kalinin Front for combat trials in the fall of 1942. Two aircraft were flown by the 5th Guards Fighter Regiment, which at the time was equipped with LaGG-3s. Among those who flew the Mustangs was Hero of the Soviet Union V.A. Zaytsev (34 aerial victories) and future Hero of the Soviet Union V.I. Popkov (41 victories). In his memoirs, Popkov gave the Mustangs a negative review. According to him, although the aircraft’s speed was sufficient, “it was heavy, like iron”. The Soviet ace also noted that the Mk.I’s maneuverability left much to be desired, and its rate of climb was poor compared to other fighters available at the time. Another five Mustangs were sent to the 6th Reserve Brigade near Ivanovo where they were used to help convert Soviet pilots to US-built aircraft, and the other two found their way to the Air Force Academy and the Central AeroHydrodynamic Institute. Although the Luftwaffe claimed that two Soviet P-51s were shot down over Karelia in late 1943, the VVS never used its Mustangs in combat, and the German pilots more than likely misidentified the aircraft that were shot down.```
From https://vvsairwar.com/2017/08/07/the-soviet-unions-us-built-mustang-mk-i-fighters/

[ivory ridge]

Pretz

[frigid karma]

Gigachad

Now he will slumber for another ten thousand years

[tough quail]

bit of a shame tho, thunderbolts and sturmoviks flying together would be based

[chilly flower]

They would also receive the P-51B later, but likewise were not pleased with it's low altitude performance either
Here's the performance test in refence to the Mustang Mk. I though, comparing it to then-contemporary Fighter options in the Yak-7B and later production Yak-1s (i.e. Yak-1B) as well as the Bf 109 F/G
(Summary translation via the first forum link again)

Test results:
Date: June 1942
Engine: Allison V-1710-39
Take-off power: 1150 hp
Take-off weight: nornal 3880 kg
Wing area, squre meters: 21,98
Maximal velocity: at zero altitude - 459 km/h (483 km/h with boost), 557 km/h at 4400 meters (587 km/h with boost at 4600 meters)
Climb time to 5 km: 10,5 minutes (9,0 with boost)
Bank time at 1 km: 23 sec
Practical maximal alititude: 8 400 meters
Maximal range: 1 620 km in nornmal variant
Armament: 4 7,62 MGs, 4 12,7 MGs
The text says that after the trials which ended in July 1942 Soviet specialists noted that in such essential characteristics as maximal speed (in nominal regime), and especially climb speed and maneuvrability P-51 was inferior to Soviet and new German fighters. In particlular P-51 climbed to 5-km alititide in 9 minutes (using boost), while Yak-7B with M-105PF engine did it in 5,8-6,0 minutes and Bf-109F - in 4,8-5,4 minutes. In a combat turn (no idea what is the correct translation, it's a turn with simultaneous climb) P-51 climbed to 550 meters, two times less than Yak-1, Yak-7B and Bf-109-F/G. However, it's mentioned that perfomance of the new model P-51A with a more powerful engine was better, but it was still not a match for modern German fighters. I't's also siad that Soviet Air Forces didn't realy need fighter-bomber airplanes,and that partly explains the their lack of interest in P-51```

Additionally, for more logistical reasons, there was also the problem that most Soviet (and German) aero-engines ran on 87 grade octane, whereas US and British engines typically used 96-100 grade octane, so the heavier fighters may suffer from degraded performance in Soviet service

P-39's Allison really only worked out because they tuned it to have more power at the cost of engine lifespan (does it really matter how long that engine's gonna last if a performance difference means the plane gets shot down before you can even start reaching the peak hours?) in addition to removing a decent amount of equipment to lighten the plane, like part of the armor and (frankly useless) wing-mounted rifle caliber guns

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133963864047626/1050203239376756887/RKAKvLp.png

[frigid karma]

Scheme g?

[ivory ridge]

yes

the one ingame has a lot less secondaries

[frigid karma]

and no bofors lol

[tribal mortar]

[frigid karma]

new to the party?