history

[strong plank]

I’d imagine it lends itself to lower operating costs than more specialized aircraft

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the main cost there is the mass of missiles your dumping

[strong plank]

so sometimes it may be more appealing to just fly a C-17 or something just outside of an enemy’s range and launch their payload

[shrewd pecan]

tho thing I'm most curious about

is this gonna end up phasing out the B-52 as the missile bus

[wet atlas]

I doubt it

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

I'm not sure about the nuclear delivery role

[wet atlas]

At least, not immediately

[shrewd pecan]

but in terms of missile busing

its about as good as a B-52 in terms of payload

on a much newer airframe

[strong plank]

I’m not up to scratch with their carrying capacities but I’d imagine the B52 can carry stuff more efficiently than other aircraft

[wet atlas]

The B-52 is probably still going to be the statement bomber for those extra spicy fuck-you payloads

[strong plank]

is a JASSM roughly the same size as a tomahawk or nah?

[shrewd pecan]

just about

[wet atlas]

B-2 (soon B-21) will be for discreet delivery

[strong plank]

The hope for B21 is that it becomes the mainstay bomber

[wet atlas]

Oh, it probably will at some point

[shrewd pecan]

tho if there's anything I'm willing to bet on B-52s will probably be flinging missiles at the covenant over New Mombasa before its ever retired

honestly the B-21s likely will

[strong plank]

B-52s are nice for when you want to carry a ton of shit and you don’t have to worry about being shot down

[shrewd pecan]

I've had some initial worries about it taking over the lancer role

tho upon further pondering it likely won't matter

[strong plank]

the other question I’d have is whether rapid dragon is something intended for wide adoption or if it’s just another tool in the toolbox

[wet atlas]

Probably both

[hushed saffron]

Inb4 the B-52's life is further extended by shoving some more engines into it

[shrewd pecan]

idk the main use I can see out of the concept is in the long run deploying decoy munitions and loitering munitions

[strong plank]

B52’s are being re-engined afaik

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

I don't think the B-21 will ever really replace the B-52

[strong plank]

Oh it definitely won’t

it’s the whole F15-F35 case

[shrewd pecan]

I'm largely guessing we're gonna end up with some cursed 747 conversion or some shit for that in the 2050s

[jagged monolith]

B-52 has survived far longer than it should.

[autumn sorrel]

How long can the B-52 airframe hold on till again?

[shrewd pecan]

forever honestly

they've been repeatedly rebuilt

[jagged monolith]

But it seems the end is in sight.

[strong plank]

Nah not yet

[wet atlas]

F-15: Air Superiority Supremacy
F-22: Air Superiority Supremacy fuck you

[shrewd pecan]

and its getting engine replacements along with a lot of upgrades in its next set of rebuilds

[spring briar]

NGAD: speeeeeeeeeeed

[shrewd pecan]

the BUFFs at a minimum is going to be serving into the 2050s

and likely beyond

[wet atlas]

F-35: Air fuck you

[spring briar]

the F-35 is less fuck you than F-22 tho

[shrewd pecan]

depends on your opinions on IRSTs

[spring briar]

no

[wet atlas]

F-22 is just for the air, hence why I crossed "air" out for F-35

[autumn sorrel]

I remember something, Michael Bay didn't use the B-52 in any of his Transformer, not it mission profile or something else?

[shrewd pecan]

its a transformers movie

its car and military porn

[strong plank]

A rifle behind every blade of grass and a tomahawk behind every 747

[autumn sorrel]

Didn't the US military actively promote stuff there?

[shrewd pecan]

a few of the movies

have used actual Abrams and other shit provided by the military

[wet atlas]

I'm honestly surprised LockMart allowed Starscream to become an F-22

[shrewd pecan]

one of the more recent ones was just downright NASA porn for 15 minutes straight

[wet atlas]

A lot of times, their contracts stipulate their planes can only be flown by the protagonist

[strong plank]

The military’s got some requirement when they let people use equipment for films

Usually it’s “don’t make us look bad”

[maiden citrus]

starscream is very popular, and the captain of the seekers through performance

[wet atlas]

Which makes me wonder how that one scene in Iron Man got greenlit

[hushed saffron]

but is he forklift certified?

[shrewd pecan]

CGI

[wet atlas]

Probably, let's be real

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500747383165157378/1044268186763284500/0202af.jpg

[strong plank]

Yeah it’s CGI

[autumn sorrel]

The scene in 1st movie?

[shrewd pecan]

anyway

[wet atlas]

Still uses the F-22

[shrewd pecan]

and?

[wet atlas]

Yeah, Iron Man 1

[shrewd pecan]

do you think there going to go after them?

its military hardware

[maiden citrus]

iron man had more trouble playing around with the f22s then entire regiments in the middle east scene

[wet atlas]

I don't think "wing sheared off by a flying tin can" satisfies "don't make us look bad"

[shrewd pecan]

not a copy rightable song

they rarely give a shit outside of AM General

[maiden citrus]

the iron man suit even at that point is probably the most advanced thing on the planet

[wet atlas]

Short of whatever Hydra was dicking around with back in the 40s

[maiden citrus]

shearing off a plane wing is not impressive considering it later gets hit with a tank round and it dinks off

[strong plank]

god I forgot even marvel went wehrb there for a bit

[jagged monolith]

The B-52 is one of an illustrious club of aircraft that have been in service for the majority of aviation.

[autumn sorrel]

Still amaze me that USN got the carrier concept mostly right with they barely miss the carrier task force right before the war

[autumn sorrel]

Don't forget the AN-2, the ugly thing still flying in some place

[strong plank]

How fiction sees the nazis: obsessed with Norse mythology, mere steps away from technological domination
How the nazis really were: “maybe if I get funding for this I won’t get drafted”

[jagged monolith]

MiG-21 is the only real competitor for being upgraded so heavily.

[shrewd pecan]

F-5 and MIG-21

[autumn sorrel]

Too much "History channel"

[wet atlas]

Basically becomes a contest of "how many times can this thing be taken apart and put back together before it breaks"

[shrewd pecan]

regarding the MIG-21

the J-7 in particular

[jagged monolith]

MiG-21 derivatives upgraded to ludicrous extremes are in production right now!

[shrewd pecan]

has gotten the stupidest amount of upgrades

and then you have Thailand smacking modern radars and AMRAAMs on their F-5s

[wet atlas]

Let me guess, NK?

[strong plank]

F4: “was I a good multirole jet?”

[jagged monolith]

More than B-52 can say!

[autumn sorrel]

Well, someone have to sell stuff to those poor 3rd world country

[jagged monolith]

Nein, Pakistan.

[strong plank]

more than B-52 can say

Yeah why would need to make more

[shrewd pecan]

like god damn

[strong plank]

when we’re already comfortably within spam-bombing requirements

[shrewd pecan]

Pakistan and China

PLAAF still use the J-7 in large numbers

and they have some rather

heavily modernized versions

[strong plank]

B-52s sending a personal “fuck you” from the US to Iraq in 1991

[jagged monolith]

Jeff: What are "generational boundaries?"

[shrewd pecan]

HOLD UP WHAT

ok its not what I thought it was

[autumn sorrel]

tbf, why would thai's military need top of the line aircraft when their chief enemy are insurgent in the south and whatever civilian goverment that run the country

[shrewd pecan]

its bordering multiple countries it has tense relations with

and half of its arsenal is stuck in the 1960s

the F-5 modernization is occurring alongside procurement of JAS-39s

and a bunch of Chinese Anti Aircraft systems

[autumn sorrel]

Well, most of them are in ASEAN and Cambodian are not really a military powerhouse

[jagged monolith]

JF-17 doesn't care what aircraft designers think is impossible.

[shrewd pecan]

Cambodia and Burma are the primary concerns

that coupled with the Thai military being well

rather powerful in the nations politics

this is the nation that bought a aircraft carrier to turn into a royal yacht once its harriers service lifes ran out

[autumn sorrel]

Well, they do have rep in the region for questionable military purchase

[shrewd pecan]

beyond that

F-5s are still operated by a multitude of nations rich and poor

[wet atlas]

Case in point, they're buying Gripens.

[shrewd pecan]

F-5s still valuable to nations like the ROC, South Korea due to their short take off distances and readiness rates

[autumn sorrel]

Hey, they make questionable decision most of the time but it doesn't mean there isn't someone who have a right mind

[shrewd pecan]

combined with still being used by a lot of poorer nations

idk the Gripen purchase made sense

since its politically neutral

[autumn sorrel]

Which surprisingly one of their good decision

[shrewd pecan]

there trying to balance American and Chinese influence

JAS-39 is a good choice for them since its politically neutral while still being capable with their US made shit

[wet atlas]

Politically neutral for now.

[shrewd pecan]

purchasing from a EU supplier is more neutral than purchasing directly from the US

same way how buying from South Korea is more politically neutral than buying from the US

they might be US aligned countries/blocs but they still maintain close relations to China

[desert agate]

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/86/article-five

[manic latch]

Oi

B-52 and TU-95 as grandmas of modern bombers

[dapper parcel]

Gripen C made sense, it's Gripen E that takes the butt of NCD's joke

[maiden citrus]

wouldn't it be b29 then

[manic latch]

Perhaps. TU-95 likely shares lot of blood from TU-4

[manic latch]

I'm sure Undef agrees

[maiden citrus]

italy: italy

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/KampfmitKette/status/1595045042024071168

Kein Mensch Kein Tier (@KampfmitKette)

cursed T-72/SPH combos. the 90s were a dark time for AFV development

Twitter · Nov 22, 2022, 1:22 PM

[solid mango]

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

eh

found what that one platform in Ace Combat 7 Fleet Destruction mission was based off of

[desert agate]

oh shit nice

best mission in the game no cap

[junior trench]

Gripen has critical US made components subject to US export controls, as well as the usual British export controls via the ejection seat

Like, "plane will not fly without these" critical parts

Incidentally I had an interesting run through the parts suppliers of Eurofighter and Rafale and found the same situation. Just the parts of more mundane and normally wouldn't be thought of.

[shrewd pecan]

that is true

[manic latch]

Can't they buy such parts from France?

Or does France have same problem

[shrewd pecan]

but its still more politically neutral

[sonic coral]

Question: What is a Battle Monitor

[junior trench]

Sure. But you need to now totally redesign and reprogram the plane.

Because the engine has changed

And the flight computer has changed as well

Among other things

[manic latch]

[junior trench]

When you get down to what parts are important in a modern fighter

Gripen is borderline a US fighter in a bodykit

Which is why it's been incredibly unattractive for export

Because you're getting less than you would compared to going straight to the source if you're able to pass those export restrictions

And if you can't pass then you can't buy Gripen anyway

Also Sweden's politics until relatively recently were more toxic for a potential buyer than being seen aligning towards the US because Sweden's policies regarding why and when they'll refuse to continue exporting and providing support were perceived to be simultaneously more restrictive and less defined

[manic latch]

God it's ugly

What's that thing under ramp tho

[chilly osprey]

Aselsan 25mm STOP remote weapon system

It's for use against small craft approaching the ship, for the most part - this one covers the bow arcs

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

future of conventional war https://vxtwitter.com/RikeFranke/status/1595027119217803266

[manic latch]

Omg new R6 gadget

[shrewd pecan]

yeah your gonna hunt everyone to death with your loitering micro drone

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595102126925123585

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Like all Navy veterans, #JFK was extremely proud of his service. He famously commanded PT 109 during WWII and was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for his heroics in the rescue of the crew. #JFKassassination

Twitter · Nov 22, 2022, 5:09 PM

[frigid karma]

Omg they made the c4 drone from war zone 2 into a real thing

Couldn’t you hear that thing unless you’re sitting next to a firing machine gun tho

[spring briar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TfSW0FfiA

Finally

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ds-Ev5msyzo

God dammit drach

[spring briar]

Stop following meeeee

[jagged monolith]

There is nothing that can't be replaced easily by other suppliers. Hanwha Aerospace produces critical parts for GE but they could find new suppliers in a week.

[subtle prawn]

 

Our post on 10 August this year covered the two incidents and immediate aftermath, during which Eisenhower asked correspondents to refrain from reporting on the story. Fast forward to now and the story is public. Newspaper columnist and radio talk show host Drew Pearson goes public about the event, which he was informed of by his friend Ernest Cuneo who worked for the OSS, on his radio show, on 21 November 1943. He excitedly talks of Eisenhower reprimanding General Patton and states confidently that Patton would never be used in combat again.  

 

On 22 November, a spokesperson for Allied HQ in Algiers will go on to state that ˝General Patton has never been reprimanded at any time by General Eisenhower.˝ The Senate Military Affairs Committee will request a report from Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson on 24 November. Stimson will explain that: ˝It was considered necessary to immediately and categorically deny the false implication that a change had or would take place in the command of the Seventh Army. This may have been an error from a public relations standpoint, but it was eminently sound from a military standpoint.˝ (Daily News New York, 14 Dec 1943). 

 

The story going public will prove to be more of an issue for senior leadership than for Patton professionally. Time Magazine will write on 6 December: ˝On the people's mind was, as grass-root William Allen White's Emporia Gazette stated in plain singletalk, the question whether they can "believe the reports and statements of our leaders ...in this war." The people did not shout for General Patton's scalp. There were editorial shouts and much dinner-table clamor… Newspapermen began to reconsider whether they should go on complying, as they did in the Patton case, with a commander's strongly worded proposal to keep from the U.S. people facts that the people are entitled to know.˝ 

 

From: Patton and Truth, Time Magazine, 6 December 1943 

 

Picture: Lieutenant Colonel Lyle Bernard, Colorado, 30th Infantry Regiment., talking with Lieutenant General George S. Patton. Near Brolo. 1943. 

Source: National Archives Catalog, 531335```

[junior trench]

it works great up until the moment someone turns on a stronger transmitter than what you're using

nevermind an actual jammer

🥱

also

you know

you're emitting

[dapper parcel]

Spread spectrum is a thing

[tough quail]

thats also just assuming it works as well as its shown even in ideal conditions

[frigid karma]

i mean

haven't we seen this being used in current events?

and even with a low rate of success with interference, the threat alone would be extremely beneficial

[tough quail]

but..why tho

this is a country that didnt get akatsiya exports isnt it

[manic latch]

@tough quail YAK-141 tests

[cinder escarp]

India did not

They used the M-46 catapult instead

It's a locally made Vickers MBT with a fixed superstructure containing a 130mm M-46 field gun.

[tough quail]

holy fuck

thats

kind of based

[tough quail]

i forgot to reply earlier but good yak

[cinder escarp]

They did the same thing with the arjunk

Would have probably been the best use of the arjunk chassis they have built

[tough quail]

yeeeeeeeah

[shrewd pecan]

I feel countermeasures will likely catch up

tho I do have to say the entire idea of your jammers/SHOARD failing and having a entire horde of loitering munitions descend upon you does sound rather terrifying

[dapper parcel]

It kinda blanked on me that 130mm field guns are still pretty much in widespread use

Always thought they got phased out by 122m/152mm howitzers

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595271712052056064

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1975, the cruiser USS Belknap and carrier USS John F. Kennedy collided, sparking a fire that caused the Belknap's aluminum superstructure to collapse. The incident contributed to the Navy's decision to revert to all-steel construction for Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

Twitter · Nov 23, 2022, 4:23 AM

[spring briar]

[valid trout]

Found the pic of the full damage received

That was one big collision

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/navy-p-8-poseidon-can-now-drop-winged-torpedos-in-combat

[eternal veldt]

Evans: Pathetic.

Bison: Also pathetic.

[spring briar]

quick delivery guns

[eternal veldt]

unannounced surprise retrofit

[desert agate]

oopsie

[eternal veldt]

Figures, mention Evans and the Melbourne wanker shows up

[desert agate]

what can i say im a fan

[manic latch]

@spring briar very subjective but

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Bro what the fuck is that

[eternal veldt]

Which one is China

The glassed bit of the southern warlords, the also glassed bit puppet state of the central dynasty, or something else

What even qualifies as a victory

[spring briar]

Greece 89 is a big ???

[eternal veldt]

Shit chart is shit

[spring briar]

mf forgot about antiquity

[eternal veldt]

Three kingdoms: winning and losing at the same time

🧠

[spring briar]

on an accurate chart
would france still be top I wonder

definitely top 5

at least

[eternal veldt]

Napoleonic wars:

[spring briar]

but defining what country is which at every point in time is gonna be hard

[autumn sorrel]

For China? 100000 civilian got eaten alive, Tang strategic victory!

[manic latch]

Wonder if Roman Empire would be number 1 in list

[spring briar]

the US number is also HMMM

[manic latch]

Indian victories

[spring briar]

like are they counting all the massacres?

[eternal veldt]

Pleasd, eating people is the least insane shit here

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Popular folklore suggests a local warlord just strolled into a city, took everyone and just beheaded them

Reason: humans do not contribute to nature

Allegedly a plaque marked with "kill kill kill kill kill kill kill" was erected

[spring briar]

this is why you just look at the major wars and how many a country participated in and how many they won
in which case france is doing great

[manic latch]

[desert agate]

Zhang Zhongchang is the most utterly spastic Chinese warlord ngl

[autumn sorrel]

Lets be honest, how many of those victory are of royal French house vs their vassals

[eternal veldt]

There are some pretty crazy ones

[spring briar]

quite a few

but then again we also did so many wars against others

[manic latch]

What would be the kingdom name of America

[spring briar]

we literally fought everyone

[spring briar]

British America

[eternal veldt]

Goujian lost to Wu, became a prisoner, literally ate the shit of Fuchai of Wu to gain his trust and return home

[manic latch]

No like

If America wanted monarchy after independence

[eternal veldt]

Then literally deployed horny bait to ruin Fuchai harder

[spring briar]

why would they make a monarchy after becoming independent from another monarchy

[eternal veldt]

And then raising an army and curbstomping his kingdom entirely after 3 years

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Persistence, if not based

[manic latch]

Because it's their monarchy

[spring briar]

my guy

[desert agate]

Fun fact the word president as in national leader comes from cricket club presidents

[spring briar]

no

it comes from the latin princeps

actually president is from the latin praesidens

which is literally 'to preside over'

[manic latch]

Bergführer

[spring briar]

prince comes from princeps

prince alexei

the tsesarevich

that moment when Russia switched sides and joined Prussia in the 7 years war

WHY

you were the chosen one!

[desert agate]

Yes that's the etymology but John Adams used the word to describe the national leader from cricket club presidents

[spring briar]

you were supposed to destroy the prussians
not join them!

[spring briar]

oh
that's cute

anyways the 7 years war pisses me off

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

you had them krem

FdG was almost destroyed

The carefully coded word in the agreement proved no less catalytic for the other European powers. The results were absolute chaos. Empress Elizabeth of Russia was outraged at the duplicity of Britain's position. Not only that, but France was enraged and terrified, by the sudden betrayal of its only ally, Prussia. Austria, particularly Kaunitz, used this situation to their utmost advantage. Now-isolated France was forced to accede to the Austro-Russian alliance or face ruin. Thereafter, on 1 May 1756, the First Treaty of Versailles was signed, in which both nations pledged 24,000 troops to defend each other in the case of an attack. This diplomatic revolution proved to be an important cause of the war; although both treaties were ostensibly defensive in nature, the actions of both coalitions made the war virtually inevitable.

...

never trust the Prussians

nor the Hannoverians

[autumn sorrel]

FdG must have some ridiculous luck, dude make war with almost everyone, beat back to almost lose his kingdom and still somehow turn the whole war around

[spring briar]

Britain now threatened to withdraw its subsidies if Frederick did not consider offering concessions to secure peace. As the Prussian armies had dwindled to just 60,000 men and with Berlin itself about to come under siege, the survival of both Prussia and its king was severely threatened. Then on 5 January 1762 the Russian Empress Elizabeth died. Her Prussophile successor, Peter III, at once ended the Russian occupation of East Prussia and Pomerania (see: the Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1762)) and mediated Frederick's truce with Sweden. He also placed a corps of his own troops under Frederick's command. Frederick was then able to muster a larger army, of 120,000 men, and concentrate it against Austria.[84][page needed] He drove them from much of Silesia after recapturing Schweidnitz, while his brother Henry won a victory in Saxony in the Battle of Freiberg (29 October 1762). At the same time, his Brunswick allies captured the key town of Göttingen and compounded this by taking Cassel.

[spring briar]

that's because Peter III was a prussophile

he literally joined Prussia the second Russia was able to deliver the decisive blow

[manic latch]

Some say it actually inspired Hitler

Since he had his Portrait in his mansion I think

He likely believed he would have similar luck in the end

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, it lure the whole Germany into thinking that a short and decisive battle will win them the whole war

[spring briar]

god dammit

[autumn sorrel]

What? Sedan?

[spring briar]

?

oh well

our loss in the 7 years war was only the beginning of the best story ever told

[autumn sorrel]

And that’s story is?

[spring briar]

never heard of the war of american independence?

[autumn sorrel]

Let me guess, the American

[spring briar]

among other things

[autumn sorrel]

Man, that must be a very expensive payback, enough to bankrupt the National treasury.

[spring briar]

which caused another great story

etc

there is beauty in loss
for all that ends begins anew

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, the French. Always find a way to rock Europe and screw with the British.

[spring briar]

where you from

[autumn sorrel]

Vietnam

[spring briar]

[autumn sorrel]

So you can say I have some natural affinity against you French

[spring briar]

go figure

so who do you blame for the war

france or the US

or China

[autumn sorrel]

Personally, I blame the Nguyen royal house, their stupidity land us on the French sight in the first place. About the 1st Indochina War, the French. 2nd Indochina War, the American. 3rd Indochina War, the Chinese.

[spring briar]

Haiphong incident and the complete farce that followed I completely blame our government for

[autumn sorrel]

Well, I always feel like there is some sense of saving face for why the French reinvade us. Ho Chi Minh did offer to keep Vietnam in sone sort of Commonwealth with France but if Vietnam got our independence then the rest of the colonies would follow suit. I kinda understand but not justified in anyway.

Tbf, the only one in my family could claim grievance against the French is my Grandfather but he was too much of a good Buddhist to hold grudges for that long.

[spring briar]

listen
sometimes it's better to simply accept the humiliation
refusal to do say has lead many to ruthless bloodshed

it isn't the first time France was forced to give up colonies

[autumn sorrel]

It is in the past now, I feel like people question why I don’t hold grudges against France or American is meaningless. I would take a jab or two at their nation but mostly no harm feeling.

[spring briar]

sadly a lot of people don't see it that way

[autumn sorrel]

The chinese on other hand. Well, that is more recent and I would admit that I never like them, not one bit.

Not to say I don’t enjoy their culture, I love them. But I never like their gov and they hardly give me any reason not to.

[spring briar]

China is a weird one

massive population
divided by geography
but always authoritarian rule

[autumn sorrel]

You have to, it is the only way China won’t dissolve along theirs ethnic line

[spring briar]

such is the way for countries that once ruled a vast empire
their people expect to live by those standards

[somber knoll]

You see, the thing about China in their history is that it is a necessiting matter for a form of authoritarian rule.

of sorts.

[spring briar]

population dictates that sadly

otherwise china would simply fall apart into smaller countries

[somber knoll]

Last time they tried any form of meritocracy, civil war or internal strife ensues.

Kuo Min Tang learned it the hard way

[autumn sorrel]

Sun is always a dreamer, he can talk about dream but reality is harsh and unforgiving

[somber knoll]

I wouldn't think of Yat Sen as a visionary. A renewer, perhaps, but his ways were way off to be considered a visionary.

Sure, he did brought ideas of a new government after taking over from Qing, but the fact that he didn't get that message across the mainland took a big bite to his spirit or rather, ego.

In turn, he just revisited old histories indirectly by splitting his nation into the north and south.

[autumn sorrel]

Well, to most Chinese at that time, they don’t know him, the only reason they would follow him is bc they hate the Qing.

Any Chinese civil war and rebellion can be sum up as hate and frustration of the lower class toward the ruling class and then they got exploited by anyone who got the crave for power, some genuinely want good for the peoples but in the end, nothing changes.

[somber knoll]

Late reply, but overall I enjoyed the whole presentation despite some points. Also choosing mild steel as the plate material, while approximate to the wrought iron that was historically used, kinda jumped it to at least a century forward

in context of Agincourt

[spring briar]

eh

[somber knoll]

The thing about previous Chinese revolutionaries, with the exception of some key people in the dynasties, is that they tend to lack either, a, major influence, or b, understanding of the way the people think (at times in the middle of their campaign so they tend to shift their end goal)

[spring briar]

mild steel and wrought iron have pretty similar yield strengths

like there's a lot of overlap

wrought iron despite containing little carbon can still be very tough and is very work hardenable

because the Si sort of substitutes the C

very crudely said ofc

the video shows that armor was absolutely effective

and that agincourt wasn't just a glorious longbow >>>>>> knight

like some like to say

like that french knight survived all the shots in the video except maybe that one shoulder and one belly shot

[somber knoll]

Yeah, but Mild steel as a armor plate material wasn't really a thing until the mid-to-late 15th century when armorers/armorsmiths can get their hands on better quality materials. Even then, the Helmschmieds and Missaglias were already working on medium-carbon, heat treated plates at that time, but they were, well, expensive to make and took a long time to fashion into a full suit.

[autumn sorrel]

Well, the English archer have Bills, combine it with their arm strength provide a deadly combo. The French knight did have to charge through rough terrain which slow them. The English Archer dismounted them by killing horse and then have to engaged dismounted knight in melee. The question should be how effective was the polearm are.

[somber knoll]

That being said, wrought iron can still shatter when not processed correctly, but against iron bodkin arrow that the English used at the time, it can still work surprisingly efficient to deflect it (provided you have enough size and form to ensure its strength). the ones that got this material in the battle on their gear were mostly man-at-arms, so go figure

and um, the Frenchies being a bit unorganized and lacking effective woodland tactics played a factor too. I would say that should they figured out the way to outflanking the archers, the battle would at least go into a more of a pyrrhic victory.

[spring briar]

there's a lot more reasons why agincourt failed

[somber knoll]

a lot more.

[autumn sorrel]

One major reason you could say, because they’re French.

[spring briar]

Like I know you say that sarcastically but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t annoy me

[tough quail]

it truly does suck to be one of the most militarily, culturally and economically successful countries in history

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, I understand you hate the white flag trope as much as I hate the vietcong joke.

Seriously, they always bring up the stupid pictures of a dude wearing farmer outfit with an AK whenever they mention Vietnam.

[humble mulch]

Lmao tree memes

[autumn sorrel]

At least French people hate the fact they being the butt of the joke while so many of my countrymen buy into the meme like it some kind of fact.

[manic latch]

Amazon nation ruled by big muscular women

Speaking of which

Did Child Kings had any authority at all

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_VI_of_Russia

God speed Ivan 6

[autumn sorrel]

Child ruler never have power, it was the regent who calling the shot

[manic latch]

Yeah makes sense. Tho what prevents mother killing the old brothers and keep the young alive she so can rule

[humble mulch]

Didn't the Swedish have a child king who did stuff?

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XII_of_Sweden

[humble mulch]

Yeah him

[somber knoll]

Pu Yi has entered the chat

[manic latch]

15

[autumn sorrel]

One of the few exceptions I can think of is Louis the XIV, his regent were either loyal or too busy fighting each other that he managed to reach adult and reclaim his power

[somber knoll]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi

2

[humble mulch]

Yeah the swedish one is the youngest I've seen who did stuff and wasn't more or less a pawn to a regent or faction

[manic latch]

Still older than Ivan 6 lol

Older*

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[manic latch]

Oops

[autumn sorrel]

Yep Calorus Rex is one of those few born in a life time

[humble mulch]

Was emperor from 2-6

[manic latch]

Poltava

[somber knoll]

incoming Sabaton intensifies

[autumn sorrel]

Come on, his enemy was Peter, dude literally survived the cutthroat politic of Russian court. I think he ain’t nobody.

[manic latch]

Through a number of successful wars, he captured ports at Azov and the Baltic Sea, laying the groundwork for the Imperial Russian Navy, ending uncontested Swedish supremacy in the Baltic and beginning the Tsardom's expansion into a much larger empire that became a major European power. He led a cultural revolution that replaced some of the traditionalist and medieval social and political systems with ones that were modern, scientific, Westernised and based on the Enlightenment

So Peter I was likely the best Tsar Russia had

@humble mulch Soyuz's love for technology by like

[autumn sorrel]

I would argue Alexander II come second bc of his reform but sadly, Russian ruler have a nasty habit of dying from assassination so it is hearsay of what he might do if he live.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MuV8j1t8GE

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/1045012020925321267/IMG_1429.jpg

[delicate beacon]

[spring briar]

Russia trying to not be an authoritarian state

(impossible)

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic

There was an alternative once

[manic latch]

Then uhhhh

Yeah...

Moscow was stronger

[subtle prawn]

https://old.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/z2nlyc/unsuccessful_attempt_by_a_swedish_stridsvagn_122/

[manic latch]

EA games

Challenge everything

[spring briar]

eh

Kudos to the Swedish

they had an awesome run

[manic latch]

Good runners usually have this uncontrollable urge to attack Russia

[spring briar]

only the best take Moscow

[manic latch]

You know taking Moscow is a curse

[spring briar]

🇫🇷 🤝 🇸🇪 🤝 🇵🇱

sorry krem

[manic latch]

🇩🇪 Wtf

[spring briar]

^noob

wehrbs: boohoo the russian asiatic hordes
actual history: soviets outnumbered until 1943

[tough quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552788046161117184/1044301329285271632/20221121_091950.jpg

[spring briar]

has 4 years of full military production over the allies

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/1VvqF21NgtA

[tough quail]

my favorite thing is still the notion that everything the allies built was a ripoff of german tech, like the ol' ak

but nobody mentions uh

germans directly copying and producing the yuge soviet/french mortars and svt-40s like five minutes into barbarossa

[delicate beacon]

or fritz-x

[tough quail]

aye

[delicate beacon]

or radar

or Dutch radio

[spring briar]

or ships

[tough quail]

or black powder rifles

smh

[spring briar]

damn you Peter III

DAMN YOU

[manic latch]

Peter Ulrich of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp  is not a biased name at all

[delicate beacon]

or bellless torpedo launchers

[spring briar]

I hate him

this is why you don't allow simps on the throne

[tough quail]

my most irrational rage over german pseudo science is the praise for them inventing "universal machine guns"

[manic latch]

Peter III died in captivity soon after his overthrow, perhaps with Catherine's approval as part of the coup conspiracy.

[tough quail]

absolute seething anger

[manic latch]

[humble mulch]

Bro Axis copied Soviet mortars so hard that Romanian straight up just stole the license for their 120mm mortar, and used said mortar to replace howitzers cause they didnt have any

[tough quail]

yeap

[spring briar]

I hope he suffered

[humble mulch]

Fucking insane shit lmao

[tough quail]

y'all didnt invent shit you just put a belt feed on a fucking terrible lmg and deluded yourselves into thinking HMGs arent real anymore

[humble mulch]

“Hey their mortars are fucking us up. Why can’t ours be like”
Romanians stealing tooling equipment and hundreds of them: Soon brother they will be ours

[tough quail]

the only thing universal about it is how universally shit mg-42s are

[spring briar]

the 7 years war...

the 7 years war...

https://tenor.com/view/howls-moving-castle-reaction-meme-breakdown-upset-gif-20633450

british hegemony...

[manic latch]

Iraq

[spring briar]

anglo propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-beaten-ninja-naruto-anime-gif-5391951

sorry quacken

[manic latch]

This server still has the funniest take I have seen

"Soviet ship quality in 1940s is bad because Chernobly."
-Latias

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431237299137675297/1042533036400582686/ezgif.com-gif-maker_14.gif

[spring briar]

we could've been allies Britain

but you chose Hannover

[tough quail]

well no that would be a good thing

that means the heer gets onto the british shore

that's when the fun with the home guard begins

[humble mulch]

Bro home guard actually getting to use their funny toys would be a good thing

[tough quail]

https://imgur.com/EqRVzGO

FUCK AROUND

FIND OUT

WHITE

PHOSPHORUS

RIFLE

GRENADE

[humble mulch]

Jfc

[tough quail]

HAHAHAHAH

[humble mulch]

That's actually a meme

[tough quail]

holy fucking shit

[humble mulch]

Behind every rifle is a flamethrower

[spring briar]

@tough quail quod erat demonstrandum

[spiral cedar]

remember these

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

lmfao

[spring briar]

I hate it when media makes redcoats look cocky
it's almost the opposite of what they actually acted like
the british fully knew how good their enemy was
and acted on it
why else did they introduce the new army standard

smh

[tough quail]

also thank you jaba i was looking for that

[humble mulch]

British home guard did not play games

[spring briar]

Britain and France had mad respect for one another

Suez Crisis buddies

[spiral cedar]

“Home Guard is just a bunch of geezers without their weapons”
Yes, so they made their own. But with more fire.

Come to England, they said. ‘All they petrol you’ll ever want, Jerry,’ they said.

[spring briar]

jerrycan't

[strong plank]

Tens of thousands of flame fougasse barrels were deployed. Almost all were removed before the end of the war, although, incredibly, a few were missed and their remains have lasted to the present day.[45]

[tough quail]

germany and japan waging their warcrime olympics while the homeguard waits in the rafters

waiting

aching in excitement for their chance

all the delights they had to show them

[spring briar]

you guys are very eager about petroleum
but also talk about their crimes
HMMM

[tough quail]

ooh, baby, do you know what that's worthy~ ooh, hell is a place on earth~

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

benzene does not react with phosphorous to form phosphorus pentoxide

phosphorus reacts with oxygen to form phosphorus pentoxide
benzene does not contain any oxygen
and the pentoxide does not contain any carbon

[humble mulch]

Richy my dear

Why do you speak with such words
I cannot comprehend

Fire go brrrr and sends the Germans away

[spring briar]

where french event

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595517478985433090

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#CluesYoureInTheWrongPlace - Americans zapped your Royal Navy F-4 Phantoms with "Colonial Navy" and early U.S. Navy insignia.

Twitter · Nov 23, 2022, 8:39 PM

[valid trout]

How does this even happen

[humble mulch]

[junior trench]

it's not a war crime if no one has legislated it yet

https://tenor.com/view/laughs-in-british-britain-british-empire-british-soldier-gif-17228488

[unborn wyvern]

I don't know the background but I know that the phantom landed on a US carrier accidently or otherwise leading to the Americans vandalizing it

[valid trout]

Im just wondering how the pilots didn't realise that they were landing on the wrong ship.

and it was 3 pilots as well..

[unborn wyvern]

Iirc one of them had an emergency and the other two followed so they didn't run out of fuel

[valid trout]

ah ok

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595554459773460484

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, this group of U.S. Navy F6F Hellcat pilots from USS Lexington were photographed celebrating after shooting down 17 of 20 Japanese aircraft heading for Tarawa during Operation Galvanic.

Twitter · Nov 23, 2022, 11:06 PM

[winged ferry]

kot

:)

[spiral cedar]

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/4bjcHqqema0

shame what happened to the crusader

the more I learn about the thing more I realized we could of been ahead of the curve in terms of SPGs

[junior trench]

meh

at the end of the day the way the artillery parks have worked out around the world results in parity at worst

like AS90 and PzH2000 are cool and all, but the forces which initially fielded them have brought them into service in a way that makes them an inside joke

[solid mango]

Which warship has the longest name?

[ivory ridge]

Probably Abruzzi? i cant think of a longer one

[delicate beacon]

I think so yeah

[dapper parcel]

Some Soviet/Russian ships are probably close there somewhere

[delicate beacon]

Theres a couple of Dutch ships were there's a longer name if you use the whole name but I cant think of any.

[dapper parcel]

Probably take the name as it's appear on the naval register (if available)

Some take the abbreviated name as the proper name

[ivory ridge]

Abruzzi is 34 characters with 5 spaces

[maiden citrus]

[ivory ridge]

then there is her half sister Duca di Savoia with 31 characters and 5 spaces

err

3 spaces

@manic latch any soviet ship with a very long name?

[dapper parcel]

Kuznetsov is like 40 chars 4 spaces

[manic latch]

Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

Why not just name your boat Jeff

[ivory ridge]

Imagine naming your boat foch

[manic latch]

Focher

[maiden citrus]

foch u

[ivory ridge]

more like

go foch yourself

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Uss Shithole

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/feeding-robert-e-fuller-eating-hungry-hand-feeding-gif-23499731

[maiden citrus]

reminds me of one rtw2 run where I had the same naming scheme as irl cruisers, but I specifically chose cursed cities for every name

[manic latch]

Based

[maiden citrus]

my first armored cruiser was USS bacon level

[manic latch]

Wonder if you made a nuclear balistic submarine name category of irl mass murderers

[spring briar]

Oh

[maiden citrus]

as for my bbs, they were named after states

just not that kind

[manic latch]

Uss Jack the Ripper

[maiden citrus]

welcome USS state of surprise

[spring briar]

Remember when Ukraine made rocket propelled bullets

[tough quail]

hms fucktropolis

[maiden citrus]

USS state of confusion

etc

[tough quail]

ukrainian future science

[manic latch]

Can't you see this is the land of confusion?

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

[strong plank]

Gyrojet my beloved

[maiden citrus]

BEHOLD our newest cruiser design

USS accident

(maryland)

[manic latch]

Nah there is a super cool name

Uss Rock Bottom

[maiden citrus]

USS ding dong

(texas)

this run was hilarious

[manic latch]

Krasny Kavkaz

Thanks for the guns Italy

[spring briar]

This is so dumb

And cool

[manic latch]

Tigor

[spring briar]

I … I found them

Finally

127.8 km range shell

[manic latch]

Damn. 600 meter more than Stalingrad

Or 550 meter

[spring briar]

What was Stalingrad’s special shell weight?

[manic latch]

230.5kg

[spring briar]

Muzzle velocity?

[manic latch]

1300 mps

[delicate beacon]

What

[manic latch]

Meter per second

Never heard?

[delicate beacon]

No, I mean

Whatthefuck

[spring briar]

Something is not adding up here

[delicate beacon]

How many atmospheres does that thing fire at?

[manic latch]

Soyuz was going to have a similar shell but invasion stopped its development

So only SAP and AP was developed in time

[spring briar]

I wonder if the soviets considered the barrel life

Cause the chamber pressure would be ridiculous

[manic latch]

300 for Stalingrad

Sadly lot of things are unknown. We know they build 12 of these guns. And tested in 1949-1951

But yeah most details are hidden

[delicate beacon]

300
fires a shell with 4 times the normal muzzle energy

[tough quail]

i presume barrel life wasnt much of a factor because you'd very rarely be using that kind of shell

[spring briar]

Even then

[tough quail]

or its a ww2 situation and you're firing inland from port

which is

probably the actual idea

[spring briar]

It would in one shot lower the barrel life by like 50

[delicate beacon]

How are you getting any range tables

[manic latch]

Here all

Long range is almost x2 of HE lul

[spring briar]

Its probably a calculation

[delicate beacon]

Kremlin

Thats navweaps

You must die now

[manic latch]

Wonder what they "tested" in 1949-1951 tho

[delicate beacon]

The rivets

[manic latch]

So you got 12 guns of a canceled project now

[delicate beacon]

*flees*

[manic latch]

1. lot of German engineers were captured in 1945 and Soviets got advanced knowledge on welding technology

2. Sverdlovs were build heavily on welding style

So yeah rivet deal doesn't apply anymore in this time

[delicate beacon]

Last I heard about the K-class the Germans weren't that great at welding.

[spring briar]

I will have to check if that range is feasible with Stalingrad’s special shell at that mv and shell weight

And taking into account her max elevation

[manic latch]

50°

[spring briar]

Hehe River BB

[maiden citrus]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595596062454161408

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Being of sound steel and in possession of all of her armament, USS Augusta became the first ship to draw up a will. Had the Augusta been lost during WWII, the money accrued from the ship's stores and recreation funds would have gone to the Navy Relief Society. #WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Nov 24, 2022, 1:52 AM

[autumn sorrel]

In today "Cooking with Drachinifel", we will learn about Byzantine barbeque technique and recipes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KFIZk7wK40

[tribal mortar]

[tender monolith]

Greetings friends

Been a while

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[spiral cedar]

Welcome back

[remote monolith]

indeed, been a long while

you're still active here in some capacity earlier this year no?:

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/HMWarships/status/1595739044016971786

Heart of Oak ⚓️ (@HMWarships)

HMAS Sydney (I) steaming out of Sydney Heads following the outbreak of World War I.
Painting by Percy Spence (1868–1933).
RAN Heritage Collection

Twitter · Nov 24, 2022, 11:20 AM

[tender monolith]

Yeah, just had a lot of issues to deal with

[spring briar]

This 224mm projectile was designed on March 26, 1931. It is 5 calibers long (i.e. 1,120 mm), with a mass of 142 kg and an explosive content of 9.7 kg. It features 7 driving bands rather than pre-machined grooves in order to minimize barrel wear issues. To ensure proper functioning upon impact, it has two fuzes.
It was fired in 1932, achieving a muzzle velocity of 1,566 mps and reaching a range of 121,600 meters. It wasn't considered entirely successful since some of the driving bands were stripped during firing (around the bourrelet in particular).

I also matched the colors with the period correct color scheme for this type of shell

well, for as much as I could speculate ofc

[spring briar]

@unkempt jungle british incendiary balloon article

[desert agate]

off to go take part in Australias first naval victory

shame that she and so many others were never preserved

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv9ZASqaawY

[manic latch]

Super Monitor

Armament:
3 x 350 mm rifle in triple turret "E", 30 degree elevation
16 x 57 mm automatic guns in twin turrets.

Protection, Armor:
Conning tower, 400 mm sides, 200 mm roof
350mm turret, 400 mm front, 100 mm sides, 200 mm roof
Barbette armor, 400 mm
Side armor, 400 mm
Armored bulkheads, 400 mm
Machinery spaces, 80 mm sides, 200 mm roof
Weather deck, 50 mm
Main deck, 200 mm

[delicate beacon]

No sad

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

I SAID NO SAD

[spring briar]

I didn't want this

I just wanted some botes

[cinder escarp]

The archer was quite popular, it was more well liked than Challenger or Firefly.

It may not be fast or have a turret, but as a self-propelled AT gun that's pretty irrelevant. See also: the enduringly popular M10... which did have a turret but was basically used as a casemate vehicle.

[delicate beacon]

Help

I'm browsing a forum and I need to search by date.

Their date feature is a month calender and I have to click to browse months.

The post I look for is from 2006.

[spring briar]

is it gallica

sang

[delicate beacon]

No

I should browse that place

[spring briar]

hahahahaha

hHAHAHAHAHA

[delicate beacon]

It's Dutchfleet . nl

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-dog-gif-25727185

[delicate beacon]

I need to enter the secrets of the French language sources.

[spring briar]

don't

trust me

if you need smth I'll find it for ya

[delicate beacon]

Find me everything Dutch

And not Dutch

[cinder escarp]

Oh no, Richie has been GEKOLONISEERED

[delicate beacon]

There's actually two things I want from French language sources.

One was the mention of a Dutch dreadnought, which was probably a mistranslation by someone.

These are just generic Armstrong designs IIRC

The other thing I do want to know more about is good old D'Adda.

I believe he published in ... hm... what was it called again

[spring briar]

neen

[delicate beacon]

"Mon. d. l. fl"

De La Flotte.

Monitor de la flotte, that's it

[spring briar]

want me to find that?

[delicate beacon]

The magazine in general might be of interest to us all.

[spring briar]

there isn't a monitor de la flotte magazine

@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

Oh yeah

[spring briar]

anything else I can help with?

and sang's gone again

[delicate beacon]

I'm looking up something for you

there

[spring briar]

a monitor

[delicate beacon]

Hr Ms Schorpioen was based on a French blueprint

[spring briar]

that's wholesome

btw Bélier means ram

[spring briar]

very strong

[delicate beacon]

Her Sister is in Den Helder right now

And you can visit her

We desecrated her though.

Installed a single Krupp gun in her turret

[spring briar]

ohnoe

anyways I also drew the alternative possible shell color scheme

since it is an experimental shell

[delicate beacon]

elp, need to find this photo's source

[spring briar]

good luck

[delicate beacon]

US 8" shell

[spring briar]

training shell?

looks like this

[manic latch]

What the fuck

[delicate beacon]

?

I mean, if you know anything about Dutch gun manufacturing industries you'd be surprised about it too.

[manic latch]

Yeah

It's a very high quality picture

Surprised me

[delicate beacon]

I've passed the 100 pages

[spring briar]

good

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1595914455686283264

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, 644 men on USS Liscome Bay (CVE-56) were lost when the escort carrier was torpedoed. It was the largest loss of life in the sinking of a U.S. carrier. Among those killed was Dorie Miller who had been awarded the Navy Cross for his actions during Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Nov 24, 2022, 10:57 PM

[remote monolith]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63636641

to note, the guy isn't even certain to be a Roman emperor, we only know for sure that he exists and operated around Dacia between 240 and 275

he's just as likely to just be a local commander who got cut off from the rest of the empire and tried to kickstart an operation before someone or something stopped it

[desert agate]

https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2022/11/25/m113-replacement-decision-officially-postponed/

@tough quail

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1595733152084926467

Naval Analyses (@D__Mitch)

The new #German 11,000-ton frigate #F126

Likes

159

Twitter · Nov 24, 2022, 10:56 AM

[tribal mortar]

name me a historical admiral of WWII that you don't want to fight against in all situations

aka if you see him any of the ships, you would surrender or defect to him

[junior trench]

Raymond Spruance

[spring briar]

if I had to surrender
definitely to an allied admiral

aint got no time for getting decapitated on a japanese cruiser or being sent to germany hell nah

also miss me with the soviets

[frigid karma]

I'd be terrified of fighting against yamaguchi

because it means i'm fighting the ijn pre-midway

and those usually don't end well for the allies

i wouldn't be lining up to surrender to him tho

[somber knoll]

for me it'd be a tie between Chink Lee, Cunningham, or Nagumo Chuichi.

[valid trout]

im having a real brain fart right now who is Chink Lee?

[somber knoll]

Willis Augustus Lee.

[valid trout]

yup. big brain fart still dont know who it is

imma search him up

[somber knoll]

for Nagumo, that means I'm gonna face the full might of the Kido Butai, and that is not a good thing

[valid trout]

Its Ching Lee

just found him

[somber knoll]

yeh

spelt Chink out of habit

[frigid karma]

Didn’t he live past midway

Are you referring to yamaguchi

[somber knoll]

nein

[somber knoll]

yep, only as far as Saipan tho

I find it weird that his Meowfficer is only purple but Yamaguchi is gold

(in case you're wondering, it's Jiroumaru)

[eternal veldt]

Surrender without fighting: You're not courageous enough, therefore you should die
Surrender after a bloody fight:
You have harmed too many Japanese people, therefore you should die

Infallible logic.

[alpine onyx]

Dishonoru

You'll regain your honour by getting decapitated by a proper soldier

Be thankful

[eternal veldt]

If there's a big red cross on the uniform, that means aim here

Or force them to run across a minefield

Or rape them

Fuck the Japanese empire.

[alpine onyx]

Why not both?

[eternal veldt]

And mutilate the corpse afterwards, sure

Molto Honore

[somber knoll]

no wonder modern Japan gets depressed rather ez

[alpine onyx]

Line up the civilians on the quarterdeck one by one, execute them, throw them overboard, let the spray wash off the blood

And yeet the children overboard, not worth the bullet

[eternal veldt]

Execute them, waste of bullets

Throw them right into a submarine's spinning propellers and let it do its job

[alpine onyx]

I guess that was I-8?

[autumn sorrel]

You know, for being such an honorable warrior culture, many IJN and IJA choose the pussy way out by offing themselves.

[frigid karma]

We ain’t getting eaten today?

Man they feeling nice

[spring briar]

rule 1 of WW2
do not surrender to the axis
they will kill you

[frigid karma]

Or they still have shoe leather around

[spring briar]

and or torture you

[frigid karma]

[autumn sorrel]

At least the German will feed you if for only to work you to death.

[frigid karma]

What if they have a hot anime version tho

[autumn sorrel]

Not sure about the Italian though

[alpine onyx]

In the German case it'd depend on who you are, and when you surrender

Soviet or Jew or some other deemed-worthless group? To the camp you go

[spring briar]

until they find out your uncle twice removed had a jewish wife

[eternal veldt]

Yeap

Technically shot and beaten through a gauntlet before, but the main thing is to throw them through the prop blades for instant meat paste

[spring briar]

I know they treated the western allies a lot better but
still

eugh

[eternal veldt]

I-8's history is just nearly full war crime

[spring briar]

labour camps aren't fun in any case

[alpine onyx]

yea, not nice

[frigid karma]

Ok

Crack idea

[alpine onyx]

but if you get sunk and picked up by a German ship you don't have to expect getting decapitated

which is a low bar to meet

but it's met

[spring briar]

sure
that's one thing

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, iirc the I-8 captain during the incident kill himself right after japan surrender. Should have hunt down every sailor who involved

[frigid karma]

Hogan’s Heroes in Japan

Discuss

And no

[autumn sorrel]

Hulk Hogan?

[frigid karma]

You cannot say they all get raped and murdered on day one

[eternal veldt]

Good meme, look at how much of a shit show Class A criminals are

[frigid karma]

That’s not interesting enough

[eternal veldt]

To the point that it becomes modern politics

[frigid karma]

Ah, MacArthur

[autumn sorrel]

I blame MacArthur for that shitshow

[eternal veldt]

And, more relevantly, how AL's VA got yeeted

[frigid karma]

They should’ve just executed the Japanese scientists right after they got what they wanted anyways

[spring briar]

also wouldn't want to get captured during the seven years war on north america by either side
especially france
since the indians were scalping

a lot

and france had a ton of indian allies

[autumn sorrel]

He right there on top of the list of cuntish Generals I dislike

[frigid karma]

They fully deserve to be fucked out of their “”promise””

[eternal veldt]

Another McCunter appreciator, nice

[frigid karma]

I swear to god if Devotion wanks him

I’m gonna see the film soon

[autumn sorrel]

France should have sent more colonist, England at least sent their undesirable

[frigid karma]

Hopefully they won’t

[frigid karma]

France had a religious dilemma when it came to settlement

[spring briar]

france did the right thing by not waging all out economic war in the americas

we needed money to beat prussia on the continent

[frigid karma]

Britain’s fucky wucky religious situation encouraged a lot of settlers

[spring briar]

(europe)

[frigid karma]

France set up catholic settlements but Catholics were already happy in France

So why go to America

And Protestants certainly didn’t wanna go to a Catholic settlement

[spring briar]

and we were doing quite well until russia switched sides to Prussia because Peter III was a prussophile

[frigid karma]

I read that as pedophile

[autumn sorrel]

Remind me again why did the Brit involve themselves with a Prussian king?

[spring briar]

the 1750's make me puke

[spring briar]

the british house

was house hannover

[frigid karma]

It’s the British

[spring briar]

hannover is a german state

which was owned by britain at the time

[frigid karma]

The British also love to ally with one part of Europe to fuck over another part

[spring briar]

so it was an obvious alliance

[frigid karma]

They do that quite a bit

[spring briar]

france allied spain but spain literally failed to conquer portugal (which was england's ally)

and austria was being austria

[autumn sorrel]

If it mean no one dominate Europe and challenge their navy then I guess the Brit will ally with anyone

[alpine onyx]

🇦🇹

[spring briar]

britain bankrupted themselves

and made everyone their enemy

which france gladly used to fuck with them

helping out the 13 colonies

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, politic. It all boil down to fucking up the other nation shit.

[spring briar]

in any case

prussia was allowed to live and was eventually the dominant german culture (austria lost)

which is fine honestly
Prussia didn't become cringe until 1848

ask sirene

he'll know

[autumn sorrel]

Curious, why no meme about Austria military incompetence?

[alpine onyx]

Because Eugen is based

[spring briar]

because austria wasn't denmark, france, belgium, norway or the netherlands in WW2

they just anshlussed and provided 2/3 of the SS's officer corps

[autumn sorrel]

So the French technically got beaten by the Austrian?

[spring briar]

?

[autumn sorrel]

It was a poor jab

[spring briar]

ironic because the french army was the one that retook most of austria with a bunch of americans too

[spring briar]

eh it's fine
it's not on the "they just surrendered" level at least

[autumn sorrel]

Didn’t we start this about which WW2 admiral we don’t want to face in battle?

[spring briar]

yeah

[autumn sorrel]

To me it will either Ching Lee or Halsey

[spring briar]

which is an irrelevant question because not every admiral fights in the same way they did IRL if put in a different situation

[autumn sorrel]

Lee bc he is so good at gunnery and using his BB, Halsey bc he is a bull that defy normal thinking

Tbf, Halsey operate more on a strategic level while Lee very much a battle admiral

[alpine onyx]

puts Kohlauf onto the table

[spring briar]

puts you on the table

[alpine onyx]

[somber knoll]

Halsey is fine, tho my only main is his Bull's Run.

Lee and Spruance missed the OP to massacre Yamato early

[eternal veldt]

All's good and dandy until the world wonders which typhoon he led the fleet into

[spring briar]

be careful where you put that Schwerpunkt

[eternal veldt]

(pun intended)

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Horse here has a massive issue with Spence getting sunk in Cobra under Halsey's command

And, slightly off tangent, forgot which French commander was literally tossing shit at Bucentaure, screaming epithets and all kinds of foul language at Admiral Villeneuve over his incompetence before Trafalgar

Had to be physically restrained

[spring briar]

dunno

but I can imagine

also poor Bucentaure got demasted

[eternal veldt]

Demasting is the least of Bucentaure's issues at Trafalgar

[spring briar]

not being able to move sounds pretty bad

[autumn sorrel]

Curious, have you play Ultimate Admiral: age of sail?

[eternal veldt]

... I don't think that compares well to having your entire stern getting raked by a double loaded broadside from Victory in her opening salvo.

[spring briar]

raking is pretty horrific

[eternal veldt]

Haven't, sadly.

[spring briar]

did they ever try to put a wooden bulkhead in the cross section behind the stern gallery to prevent raking?

[autumn sorrel]

I don’t think they did, I only know of some experiment in rounding the stern to angle it in case of raking shot

I mean, some captain may have tested using the bulkhead option but not sure about their effectiveness.

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Thats precisely what you dont want

[spring briar]

too heavy ig

[spring briar]

you can stop cannonballs if it's thick enough

[eternal veldt]

Bulkheads separating the cabins are unhinged and stowed away upon beat to quarters

Yea, but spalling

More splinters

[spring briar]

then just put a thin wooden bulkhead behind it

wooden splinters don't pierce that

but we have hindsight ofc

[eternal veldt]

Weight and space constraints

And simply inconvenient

[spring briar]

mostly the issue ye

[eternal veldt]

Powder monkeys cant get through to the magazines

Guns dont fire as fast

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, not so sure about multiple bulkhead

[spring briar]

they definitely added them to modern ships

i can only imagine the destruction of a BB caliber shell raking the stern of a DD

[autumn sorrel]

Well, modern ship can afford extra weight bc they use their own propulsion, not rely on the wind

[spring briar]

no need to explain