at least 1 or 2 were British ones.
#history
somber knoll
frigid karma
Chibi ship
digital mantle
A part of IJN Nagato is in USS Alabama to this day—!
tribal mortar
subtle prawn
valid trout
A part of IJN Nagato is in USS Alabama to this day—!
That is kinda cursed
digital mantle
That is kinda cursed
Whaddaya mean by that?
subtle prawn
valid trout
Whaddaya mean by that?
Jap stuff inside Us stuff
ivory ridge
127/64 LW my beloved
digital mantle
Jap stuff inside Us stuff
Battleship Alabama is a museum now with lots done and put within her on display…
spiral cedar
Jap stuff inside Us stuff
Angry South Dakota noises
frigid karma
Angry South Dakota noises
one of her younger sister was seduced by a frenchmen
the other has a japanese loli inside her
meanwhile sodak has an annoying white gf harassing her
jagged monolith
zealous vine
meanwhile sodak has an annoying white gf harassing her
frigid karma
<:BuckyStare:588629690919550997>
washington, btw
shadow frost
So according to a map I saw, Hood was sank all the way up by Greenland. What was Bisko doing all the way over there?
spiral cedar
So according to a map I saw, Hood was sank all the way up by Greenland. What was...
The Germans needed to get into the mid-Atlantic to go after the convoys supplying Britain (subs can only sink random ships—surface ships can destroy entire convoys). But the English Channel was heavily mined, patrolled by aircraft, and lined with coastal guns. So the Germans elected for a more northerly route, north of the British Isles. However the British learned of the planned operation (in part due to Swedish help). There were two possible routes; the British put two large warships on the southerly path (thought to be more likely) and two others (HMS Hood and HMS Prince of Wales, still being worked up) on the northerly path. Thus no matter which way Bismarck went, the British would have a 2:1 advantage in heavy warships, though they put their better force in the expected path. Bismarck, of course, took the other path, leading to the Battle of the Denmark Strait and the destruction of HMS Hood.
shadow frost
The Germans needed to get into the mid-Atlantic to go after the convoys supplyin...
Oh
That makes sense
Y'all would probably like to see these two maps I found
valid trout
Where did you find these maps?
shadow frost
Where did you find these maps?
In another server and then I traced them back to the AL Reddit for full-quality.
shadow frost
why's Shima got a black bar on her face-
idk
glass trail
does this include ships that are still afloat or just the ones that sank
shadow frost
does this include ships that are still afloat or just the ones that sank
Sank
somber knoll
why's Shima got a black bar on her face-
iirc this was before Shimmering Blue event
heck, Chikuma was still in her old art than the new one in the game
somber knoll
does this include ships that are still afloat or just the ones that sank
sank, both by fighting and target practice.
valid trout
wooooooooohooooooooooooooooo
dapper parcel
Kashino wasn't even a "munition ship" when working as heavy lift
keen zealot
BT-2 203mm
spring briar
I see
manic latch
junior trench
... Shimakaze wasn't sunk in the Solomons
she was sunk in Ormoc Bay near Cebu
after her boilers exploded due to a combo of overpressure, .50 cal strafing, and water leaks
because you can't outrun planes
a worse Maxim...
lethal inlet
I know that Prinz Eugen was moved to Bikini Atol to be nuked
but its still really funny seeing it as the one German ship in the pacific
subtle prawn
spring briar
hon hon
subtle prawn
somber knoll
classic Democrat hot takes
spring briar
desert agate
I know that Prinz Eugen was moved to Bikini Atol to be nuked
but its still reall...
Emden (I) is almost in the Pacific
Was part of the South Pacific theatre of WW2 even if she sank in the Indian in WW1
lethal inlet
sure
WW1 is a bit different considering the German East Asian Squadron
dapper parcel
Von Spee's bizarre adventure
unborn wyvern
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1590709954104930304
Given the amount of "Happy birthday US Navy" pictures with Russian warships and "Happy birthday US airforce" Pictures with MiGs and Sukhois it almost makes you think its done on purpose
subtle prawn
I think it’s just outright laziness
dapper parcel
Nah, just underpaid social media manager doing what they ought do
Search up some shit off stock photo and do stuff
shrewd pecan
@spiral cedar the GPS guided shells of the Iowas that you mentioned forever ago, can you point me towards the source for it?
tough quail
unironically they probably just picked the coolest looking thing they could find
and while russian jets and us jets are a tossup i dont think russian ships have much competition
frigid karma
Given the amount of "Happy birthday US Navy" pictures with Russian warships and ...
Well, they do need to call out their sponsors
tough quail
<:Prayge:886365734530326539>
while there's a ton of shit to like visually its honestly as simple as the color of the hulls and deck
theres just more color contrast
pretty much looks more interesting by default
manic latch
while there's a ton of shit to like visually its honestly as simple as the color...
Ahh the red is indeed nice 
tough quail
its part of why i like the post ww2 and pre ww2 usn a lot more visually
the blue decks in ww2 made the ships blend into themselves too much
manic latch
Sadly Russia also began to paint the decks Grey too with new ships
So red deck of Soviets will become a thing of the past 
tough quail
it was a good run while it lasted
manic latch
Thank God Zumwalt style hulls are rare
More ships are using stealth style slowly but doubt we will see another Zumwalt style again
tough quail
i still think burkes look fine fwiw
the yuge monolith superstructures look nice, even if i like the japanese version a smidge more (though i cant really put my finger on why)
they just remind me of warspite
ivory ridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/1040318575476482098/IMG_6212.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/1040318575833002054/IMG_6211.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/1040318576155967538/IMG_6210.jpg
Mockup of italian submarine Comandate Cappellini to be used as a movie prop
ivory ridge
or maybe it was a TV series
need to check brb
Oh nvm yeah it's a movie
called "Comandante"
tough quail
neat
ivory ridge
Salvatore Todaro commands the submarine Cappellini. During the Second World War, in 1940, while scouring the Atlantic in search of the enemy, he comes across the Kabalo, a Belgian armed merchant. Belgium is a neutral nation but the boat sails with the lights off and carries British aircraft. A battle breaks out in which Todaro loses a brave man and sinks the merchant ship without mercy. However, it is not the sinking that makes him a hero consigned to eternal memory. Rather, it is the rescue of the 26 castaways, carried out by navigating to the surface for 4 days and 4 nights, endangering his life and that of his men. The captain of the Kabalo, taking leave of him, asks him why he exposed himself to such a risk for them that in his place they would never have done it. Todaro replies: "we are Italians".
(this is machine translated but it's readable)
Todaro had a very chivalrous view of war at sea; he believed that his was a war against ships, rather than men, and that when the fight was over he had a duty to help the survivors of the ships he had sunk. He put his view into practice when he sank his first ship, on 16 October 1940. On that day, Cappellini met a Belgian steamer, Kabalo (en route from Glasgow to Freetown with a cargo of aircraft and spare parts), about 700 miles northwest of Madeira. Cappellini pursued her and engaged her with her deck guns – another of Todaro’s peculiarities was his mistrust for torpedoes, which he considered too unreliable, preferring to use the deck gun whenever possible –, and Kabalo returned fire, but the merchant’s gunfire was ineffectual, and ceased after some time. Cappellini instead scored multiple hits, brought the ship to a halt and set her afire, then fired three torpedoes in succession to finish her off, but all the torpedoes, confirming Todaro’s ideas, passed beneath the target’s hull without exploding, perhaps due to the rough seas. The submarine then resumed fire with her deck guns, until the target sank. One crewman from Kabalo was killed in the action, the others abandoned ship. After the action was over, Cappellini began searching the area with a small searchlight; after a short time five survivors were found in the water, near a capsized dinghy, and were taken aboard. They were drenched wet and freezing, and Todaro gave his jacket to one of them, Kabalo’s third mate, who was shivering with cold.
Then, Cappellini located a lifeboat with 21 survivors, including Kabalo’s master Georges Vogels; two badly wounded men were transferred to the submarine, while the five survivors rescued earlier were sent to the lifeboat with the others. The submarine then departed to look for the second lifeboat, but after several hours learned that it had already been found by a neutral steamer, so she went back to the other boat and took it in tow. The weather became increasingly rough, and the towing cable snapped multiple times; every time a new line was fitted, but in the afternoon of 17 October the lifeboat began to give in and to take on water, and Todaro resolved to take all its 24 occupants aboard the submarine and land them in neutral territory in the Azores. He did so (lacking space elsewhere, they were housed in the conning tower except for capitan Vogels, who was hosted in the wardroom), and on 19 October, after sailing 750 miles from the steamer’s sinking position, Cappellini landed Kabalo’s survivors in Santa Maria Island, after which she resumed her patrol. This incident had some resonance in the neutral press, especially in Portugal, and in November 1940 an anonymous sender sent a letter from Lisbon, written in French, to the Italian Navy Ministry, addressed to Todaro. The author said: “…there is a barbarous kind of heroism and another kind in front of which the soul kneels: this is yours”. This episode also added to his nicknames: “the gentleman of the sea” or, less praisingly, “the Don Quixote of the sea” by those who thought that his humanitarian efforts were a waste of time in a war like that, potentially endangering the submarine.
small section of the history of the submarine and her commander that you can find in full here
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/9lm1gy/comment/e77mwhf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
subtle prawn
tough quail
troo
unborn wyvern
Mmm takao bell
junior trench
there was an old mobile game
naval frontline
where you could shove pretty much any gun you wanted onto a slot
so long as it was generally of the same class or smaller
so for the Takaos you could put like a single 5" up front and just a bunch of ASW rocket launchers everywhere else
and some rapid fire AA
for that real ASW DDG feel
spring briar
manic latch
Pearl Harbor
spring briar
?
subtle prawn
tough quail
Pearl Harbor
spring briar
honest flax
,
thorny jewel
the Iowa-class battleships is planned to be having 6 ships, but only 4 were completed while the remaining 2, the USS Illinois (BB-65) and USS Kentucky (BB-66/BBG-1) is cancelled. USS Kentucky was supposed to be the first Guided-missile battleship, but it never done cuz her construction was cancelled and the completed 4 (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin) are retrofitted as Guided-missile battleship instead.
delicate beacon
latent pelican
dapper parcel
they were never reclassified as guided missile battleships
Now thinking about it...
Tomahawk might not be classified as "guided missile" since I think at one point the definition for it is a beamriding or radar illuminated missile
thorny jewel
they were never reclassified as guided missile battleships
it's just from what i read from Wikipedia
dapper parcel
Getting the "G" is a bit weird, even now, since it implies a focus on AA capability (again, beamriding or radar illuminated) instead of simply "guided missile"
ref DD vs DDG at 1975 reclassification
strong plank
it's just from what i read from Wikipedia
even wikipedia doesn't say that
dapper parcel
On another note, I don't think SSGN have any AA capabilities 
valid trout
It might depend on the main armament as Iowa still has 16inch guns as their main while DDG has missiles as their main armament
But then again the nuclear submarines
shrewd pecan
its mainly down to the ships main role tbh
Kidd class had the DDG designation while its cousin ships in the Spruance class had the DD designation
similarly Zumwalt had the DD designation while Burke has the DDG designation
Kidds were focused on air defense while the Spuances were focused on ASW
Zumwalts were focused on coastal bombardment while the Burkes were focused on air defense
strong plank
similarly Zumwalt had the DD designation while Burke has the DDG designation
actually Zumwalt has DDG too
DDG-1000
winged whale
Y'all would probably like to see these two maps I found
sorry, where did you find these?
spiral cedar
At 0121 Zulu, making twenty-five knots and zigzagging to hinder the gunfire directed by the fire control aboard Bismarck, was the first of the destroyers to make a torpedo attack from the battleship’s port side, firing four torpedoes at a range of 4,600 meters. All of these missed. When the torpedoes were fired, the varnish that was supplied to preserve the torpedoes caught fire. The flames provided an excellent target for the German spotters using their stereoscopic rangefinders, and Bismarck opened fire at once with her 15-cm and 105-mm guns. One salvo was a straddle, with a spread of six shells over a distance of 350 meters. At this time the German battleship was on a heading toward the northeast. This situation with the flaming torpedo tubes also led German spotters to conclude that their gunfire had produced hits that sank several of these destroyers, and this was announced over Bismarck’s loudspeaker system.
shadow frost
sorry, where did you find these?
AL Reddit
manic fractal
Z24 is real or fake ?
manic fractal
ty
subtle prawn
spring briar
hon hon saucisson
maiden citrus
most impressive
maiden citrus
maiden citrus
hewoos
alpine onyx
alpine onyx
Metals be expensive mid to late war
Not that it'd really matter when the side of the turret has only 45mm
spring briar
look at the mantlet
alpine onyx
you mean those lines?
alpine onyx
These lines are also on that sloped side of the hull, perfectly horizontal
So wouldn't say they are 100% cracks
spring briar
probably Zimmerit
alpine onyx
Everyone gets Zimmerit
cinder escarp
WHO FORGOT ZE MOLYBDENUM
error 404: moly mines not found
spring briar
also happy armistice
ivory ridge
manic latch
@spring briar 
fierce sparrow
manic latch
Love how Camera angle makes J-16 look like giant near J-20
humble mulch
When you put a 1/48 scale model next to your 1/72
strong plank
When you bring your son to work
ivory ridge
is this camera angle or is there something wrong
camera angle doesnt explain something in the back looking bigger
manic latch
Damn got photoshoped
tough quail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbTNE0NVUMw
mmyaes good smgs
strong plank
Kremlin that’s a Mig-35 isn’t it
manic latch
Ayay 
tough quail
rafale my beloved
humble mulch
Movies
ivory ridge
but even weibo was confused
spring briar
like a dolly zoom
strong plank
They pulled a LotR
humble mulch
Movies have made a lot of really fucking weird camera lenses
And if you are doing funny propaganda and shit it helps
ivory ridge
humble mulch
Especially since we don’t actually know the planes real size
(J-20) be we do know the J-16s size
So the fucky lense helps hide its dimensions more or some shit
jagged monolith
Size should be easy to tell.
tough quail
I mean it'd be very easy to measure from the numerous spy shots I think
spring briar
J31 looks beautiful
jagged monolith
J-35, KAI's enemy.
tough quail
china's got some solid aesthetics going
humble mulch
Yeah I know the spy shots exist
spring briar
humble mulch
But that doesn’t mean they’re just gonna up and stop hiding stuff
also mean that if you google the plane you don’t get an exact measurement for it
tough quail
lmao
humble mulch
At least I couldn’t and I’m dumb so a good baseline
tough quail
I wish people still talked about funny ww2 tanks since modern tank discussion has been smothered in the crib by current events and neo broom
maiden citrus
humble mulch
Oh
maiden citrus
some things cannot be topped
humble mulch
Hungarian tank ammo data from various Hungarian books from my Hungarian pal
Turan I
40mm 43M APBC-T (850 m/s)
100 m - 63 mm - 60°
500 m - 52 mm - 60° pen T34 front hull armour
1000 m - 40 mm - 60°
1500 m - 31 mm - 60°
2000 m - 24 mm - 60°
Turan II
75mm 42/36.M páncélgránát - APHEBC-T
Penetration at 60° from horizontal
100m 56 mm
500m 51 mm (pen T34/85 front hull armour)
1000m 45 mm (can just pen T34/85 front hull armour)
75mm 42.M páncélrobbantó gránát - HEAT-T 70 mm at 60° at all ranges
Zrinyi
105mm 42.M páncélrobbantó gránát HEAT 80 mm at 60° at all ranges
jagged monolith
I am doomed to study turbine materials
desert agate
Chinese solid aesthetic getting wiped out from 200km away by an F-35's JATM
humble mulch
These numbers show here are at least 200% better then any Romanian produced tank
They also look cute
tough quail
nobody cares spon
desert agate
okay horse
tough quail
the hungry tanks
why did someone draw this
maiden citrus
@tough quail
humble mulch
Cute little boy
tough quail
why does this exist irl
desert agate
im not underestimating anything
jagged monolith
Cute little boy
It looks like something out of 40k.
maiden citrus
Cute little boy
very cute
tough quail
no 👏 jet 👏 wanking 👏
humble mulch
Love the hexagon turret
tough quail
look at cool plane
humble mulch
tough quail
I think those are in steeldiv tea
jagged monolith
TURBINES ARE GOD
tough quail
they're cuties
humble mulch
They have one there yes iirc
tough quail
and you can spawn like a million of them for one card
maiden citrus
why did someone draw this
are you implying a su183 shouldn't exist?
tough quail
good point
humble mulch
Think they have the turran 2?
ivory ridge
tough quail
turboprop wanking 
maiden citrus
tough quail
where my wyverns and skysharks at
humble mulch
I also like Hungarian tank camo
Just puts me at ease compared to the German ones and is safer then painting your tanks FUCKING KHAKI ROMANIA PLEASE WHYYYYYY
ivory ridge
humble mulch
This is a flying guppy fish I can’t in see it
desert agate
sorry ladies but this is peak prop performance
tough quail
rotund
maiden citrus
orb friend
jagged monolith
Superalloys are a lie, there is only CMC.
humble mulch
Mom said it’s my turn to bomb germany
strong plank
look for skyraider pics
find one for sale
maiden citrus
bomb germunee
desert agate
my baby
humble mulch
Me and the boys going out to an Italian restaurant
maiden citrus
be right there homeslice
tough quail
Why can't all bombers be as cool as yer-2s
jagged monolith
My pride and joy. We've come a long way from spinning a contraption with steam.
desert agate
oh btw
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them
spring briar
planes
maiden citrus
delicate beacon
tough quail
can we come together to bitch about how shit btds are in AL @maiden citrus
manic latch
look at this dude
Better than XP-67
spring briar
https://imgur.com/a/tgCmRxq
maiden citrus
can we come together to bitch about how shit btds are in AL <@125445797448908800...
yes
tough quail
mad forever
manic latch
tough quail
at least skypirates are actually
good
btds are effectively worse than fucking stukas
frigid karma
BTD got outclassed by a midwar bomber
wows in all likelihood
wyvern in wows is either a torpedo or carpet bomber, and they don't have carpet bombers in AL
AL is also pretty unabashedly a copier of wows sometimes
see: belfast
or edinburgh
tough quail
all dive bombers in AL are carpet bombers
they didnt add them as dive bombers because they would have been a thousand times more broken than they already are
frigid karma
then they just added wyvern as a torpedo bomber because they felt like it
tough quail
it is with how AL does bomb damage
frigid karma
still weird though
because the former best torp bomber in AL was also...british, barracuda
so if it was about throwing hms a bone, doesn't make sense either
ivory ridge
yes, an insanely powerful parallel
barracuda isnt
Ryuusei is just better most of the times
tough quail
allow me to demonstrate
ivory ridge
yes
tough quail
a helldiver has 1x2000lb and 2x500lb t3 bombs for a combined total of 1388 base damage at +13
a tenrai has 1530
a wyvern with its wows bombload of 6x500lb would have a whopping
2688
maiden citrus
yeahhhh
tough quail
it would completely shit on everything else
maiden citrus
gotta love it
tough quail
TB carriers would vanish overnight
tough quail
they usually dont
which is why it took ages for there to be a single dive bomber better than helldivers to begin with
row on row of attempted gold DBs to just suck because they didnt have a bunch of 500lb bombs
3x1000 would be only 1473 for reference
but i mean, im not opposed to saratoga suddenly being the best CV in the game rofl
frigid karma
Ah yes
2000 lb bomb, 20 times heavier than 100 lb bomb
does
~3 times as much damage
maiden citrus
balanced
frigid karma
if i had to guess they had no idea what they were doing early into the game's lifecycle
and so tried to compress the bomb damage values
tough quail
yeah
frigid karma
to lower the difference between shitty gear and top tier gear
tough quail
they're just up to now unwilling to unfuck the bomb damage
even the newer ones dont stray far from the formula
frigid karma
but instead of changing the planes themselves, they just fucked all the bombs
tough quail
see: tenrai 800kgs
frigid karma
Literally
you would have more damage from those bombs if they were duds
and just gave the shipgirl a concussion
frigid karma
where was that shitpost about sara draining the lives of other carriers
indom was alright ig
tough quail
vicky retro 2018
frigid karma
man code g is one sick bitch
she told vicky she would become a powerful warrior someday
tough quail
is what it is
subtle prawn
delicate beacon
desert agate
https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1591045515583827969
Looks like a Matilda II
Tell me I'm wrong
spring briar
yus
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1591045515583827969
👁️ 50 MM CV-90
ivory ridge
November 11, 1961 - 61 years ago, 13 Italian aviators were killed in what went down in history as the Kindu Massacre. They were the crews of two C-119s of the then 46th Aerobrigata of the #AeronauticaMilitare , on a peace mission on behalf of the #ONU
https://twitter.com/ItalianAirForce/status/1590978831783170049
humble mulch
Looks like a Matilda II
I hate I thought the same thing
ivory ridge
hungarian lineup /s
spring briar
subtle prawn
frigid karma
The Great War always has good content
delicate beacon
shadow frost
Just wondering, how are ships named anyway? I assume it’s a different system for different countries, since for example Japanese ships tend to be named after landmarks while American ships tend to be named after states or cities.
ivory ridge
Oh boy
it's different for each navy, yeah
in ww2 for example the US was
Sailors for DDs
Cities for Cruisers
States for battleships
a mess for aircraft carriers (sometimes battles, sometimes places, sometimes people, sometimes concepts)
Fishes for subs
for Japan it was
Regions and alternative names of Japan for battleships
Mountains for Heavy and battlecruisers
Rivers for light cruisers
and for DDs it's like elements and stuff? like it's winds, weather...
shadow frost
Rivers for light cruisers
I assume Japanese munitions ships must be named after manmade landmarks since Kashino was named after a lighthouse.
spring briar
hms birth control
shadow frost
hms birth control
“If she’s called Invincible, why am I able to see her?“
spring briar
ivory ridge
subtle prawn
inland ingot
could you eject a submarine torp through something like an rocket mounting system while it being under water?
like this kinda
inland ingot
but thats a missle, isnt it?
shrewd pecan
its a missile that could be fired out of a torpedo tube
and release a torpedo at around 65-200 KMs away
it was essentially intended as a stand off way of deploying a torpedo for both surface vessels and submarines
shrewd pecan
is the submarine launching it
inland ingot
using this to start an torp
shrewd pecan
or is a aircraft launching it?
inland ingot
its the submarine itself
thorny scarab
I don't see Sub torps being attached to arms
Seems ineffective given you may want to launch more than 1 torp per deployment
shrewd pecan
the example your using is a fuel tank and a AIM-9 being mounted to the same mounting point
inland ingot
i am curently reimagining the al rigging of u47 to be more realistic and due to space issues i wanted to start them like this
thorny scarab
U-47's rigging has the Tube in it's mouth
shrewd pecan
idk its azur lane scaling
thorny scarab
Well, first things first
inland ingot
idk its azur lane scaling
i know.. had that disscusion already today
thorny scarab
Azur Lane uses Bullshitium, so trying to make a "Realistic" torpedo won't really make sense on AL Ships. Since the rounds "Grow" after being fired
thorny scarab
And if you are using the Base art torps as a reference for scale, please keep in mind the torp on the right is closer than U-47 so looks far bigger
inland ingot
i used real world torps as reference
and thats what started the entire thing
cuz a ge7s will never fit
shrewd pecan
most you can really do is just scale it down to fit the tube in the mouth
inland ingot
but would the mounted one work, if u would try it and ignore the fact its only one shot
thorny scarab
Did you scale it down appropriately, proportional to the actual sub size?
shrewd pecan
and a underslung torpedo wouldn't really be ideal
inland ingot
most you can really do is just scale it down to fit the tube in the mouth
but that is besides the point
inland ingot
Did you scale it down appropriately, proportional to the actual sub size?
i eyeballed it to the body size of U47 and was very generous wit the size
i tried to scale the ride of her proportinaly for a human to be able to sit comfortable on it and then added the torp
which has almost 8 meters of lenght
thorny scarab
Her Rigging isn't really that big.
thorny scarab
So you'd need to scale it back a LOT to make it fit, but even then. You could just get away with using Aircraft Torp sizes if you wanted to
inland ingot
well, the idea was to use this for an VR game if i wont give up way to early and in this game i wanted to use realistic sized torps
inland ingot
thats why i rearranged parts already as seen in this pic
shrewd pecan
I don't really think your gonna be able to get away with the realistic size torps unless you have them size up after launch
thorny scarab
If you wanted to put it on the ship, put it on the wing
shrewd pecan
pylon launch it
thorny scarab
Underslung torps means you get 1 shot cuz you are 100% not rearming that shit while on the move
inland ingot
Underslung torps means you get 1 shot cuz you are 100% not rearming that shit wh...
i understond so much already, but it is possible to start them like this
inland ingot
pylon launch it
what do you mean by that?
thorny scarab
Well if you are having issues, might want to use a Different Sub
shrewd pecan
what do you mean by that?
pylons the thing you mount the missiles/bombs on
so essentially you could just
pylon launch it off of the wings
and have some stupid configuration like the external mounts for the F-22
where you just triple mount torps
inland ingot
okay, so it is possible
shrewd pecan
I was initially confused what you were asking about
inland ingot
i just need to figure out how to arrange them due to free space for the legs
inland ingot
I was initially confused what you were asking about
sorry...
i have no clue about naval weapons
or mounted stuff
shrewd pecan
other solution would be just to add a bomb bay at the back of the thing and just have the torps drop out then start their motors after leaving the thing
basically how modern Anti Submarine planes do it
inland ingot
problem is, i dont ave space for that either
as i tried to fit an motor in the tail and then there isnt much space left
shrewd pecan
easiest solution would probably just to scale the torps to work for the actual torpedo tube but if you can't make that work most I can really think is dual or triple pylons on the wings
inland ingot
and the tail-segments are moving
inland ingot
easiest solution would probably just to scale the torps to work for the actual t...
i think imma go with the wing pylons, thanks for your answers, both of you
delicate beacon
Book is 78 pages now 
spring briar
@eternal veldt master & commander clip
French Acheron engages the hms surprise, a much smaller frigate
This fight was inspired by USS constitution wrecking a smaller british frigate HMS guerriere in real life but instead they chose to make it french vs british to not offend the american public in the cinemas
frigid karma
you know, with all the shrapnel flying around in the age of sail why didn't anyone wear helmets or at least some thicker clothes/leather to deal with it?
spring briar
If there was money for that they might have but that’s also very awkward to wear in a ship
The splinters also aren’t as big of an issue as some older movies make it out to be
Meaning a helmet wouldn’t help nearly as much as you’d think
Exact same case with contemporary soldiers
They could theoretically wear helmets and breastplates but there simply wasn’t the money for that
frigid karma
you wouldn't need to wear anything very expensive
just enough to stop wooden splinters
probably not worn for ergonomical reasons, tbh
spring briar
Yes
Also normal clothes that they wore would already provide some protection from splinters
So no need to double up on that
Again it’s usually the smaller pieces of wood that would be very common
Way too small to cause seriously fatal injuries
Ofc if the cannonball knocked out half a plank and that hits you in the neck that’s a different story
thorny scarab
you know, with all the shrapnel flying around in the age of sail why didn't anyo...
....I mean.... back then the best they had was a fancy hat
spring briar
....I mean.... back then the best they had was a fancy hat
No pin
Back in the day you might see more armor because back then the men at arms were doing the most of the fighting in armor because those were knights and they could afford an entire set
The regular archer lancer or whatever wore normal clothes bc no money
Later knights were phased out because of guns
But still some troops like cavalry wore breastplates that could usually stop musket rounds
But only because those only made up a small part of the army
Its all about tha money
For the money it takes to give one bloke a breastplate you can recruit three extra guys instead
thorny scarab
That's... not exactly what most knights were, but also yes, high grade armor was expensive as shit and that was the closest thing they had.
Crossbows began fading out knights too, with certain crossbows being able to pierce through the armor.
As to why they didn't wear it on ships, because it's a cannon and you'd not survive long anyway if you were injured.
You also didn't usually have the time required to put on armor when you just get shot at.
So basically age of sail comes down to:
Armor does nothing against what you'll get hit by.
Armor was expensive
Armor took too long to put on.
spring briar
Guns started phasing out knights
Long bows and crossbows still had issues against good armor in the day
A plate cutter bodkin would usually penetrate the thinner sides of the armor if the knight wasn’t facing head on
This just hits different
ivory ridge
smh horse reposting
jagged monolith
Put the past to rest.
tough quail
silence
spring briar
I prefer a springfield rifled musket over an m4
spiral cedar
spring briar
I shall now go upon the Afghan border to snipe rascals with my musket from 100 yards
spiral cedar
Need I say more
spring briar
Tally ho
spiral cedar
Saturn
frigid karma
I prefer a springfield rifled musket over an m4
does the musket have a caliber of 75mm
unborn wyvern
I prefer a springfield rifled musket over an m4
Fires one round
dang i missed!
I'll get him next time! i just gotta get my powder horn an-
die from a 3 round burst to the chest at 100 meters
tough quail
jokes on you, they ended up removing the burst for the a1
unborn wyvern
I know, that's why i said three round burst because I am a smart fella who knows the M4 carbine was the same as the M16A2
eternal veldt
<@!301567539182567424> master & commander clip
French Acheron engages the hms su...
O'Brian's novels span the entire Napoleonic Wars - The Far Side of the World actually had Surprise chasing after the USS Norfolk - A heavy frigate based on the Constitution. Acheron actually got her ass handed to her in the film - Surprise lured her in, took her mast down, then turned and raked her stern gallery.
The series started with Master and Commander as well - with Aubrey first meeting Maturin in a theatre and taking helm of HMS Sophie (based on HMS Speedy).
Extremely unsurprisingly, Jack Aubrey himself is based on Thomas Cochrane, a fucking insane commander to the likes of the US John Paul Jones. Excluding his significant role for the Chilean Navy, his most famous feat is probably the capture of the Spanish 38 gun Frigate El Gamo - using only his 14 gun brig
It's humiliating to the point that the Spanish captain needed Cochrane himself to write a letter to certify that the captain "did all he could to defend the ship" so that he doesn't get court-martialled.
But yes, great film, great novel series overall. O'Brian himself was actually pretty reluctant to making a film until he caved in.
eternal veldt
you know, with all the shrapnel flying around in the age of sail why didn't anyo...
Given the heavy duties carried below decks, the extra protection also makes movement difficult.
You have a sponger trying to douse the cinders, a loader trying to get the bag and the shot in, and the gun captain trying to prick the bag, fill the priming hole and firing the gun itself - speed is the king in this time.
eternal veldt
The splinters also aren’t as big of an issue as some older movies make it out to...
As for this, I'm not too sure - wooden splinters, as small of an injury it is - is likely to wound a person and at least make him operate less effectively.
Not exactly literature, but best I could do on the spot.
I agree though that there is nothing from protecting you if a cannonball hits you (hence why getting raked is a terrible thing - a cannonball basically flying across the entire length of a ship with nearly nothing in between except bags of meat) - if you're lucky, you lose your knee caps
If you're unlucky, you get split in two like Nelson's secretary John Scott at Trafalgar
tough quail
from what I'm reading they're completely redoing the priority list not cancelling anything specifically
somber knoll
I know, that's why i said three round burst because I am a smart fella who knows...
M16A3 master race 
tough quail
im not even going to ask
spiral cedar
Las Malvinas son kazajstán
unborn wyvern
incorrect
eternal veldt
The splinters also aren’t as big of an issue as some older movies make it out to...
https://youtu.be/lIDu7NPLbwc also, before you shit on me for citing Drach, excerpt includes research by the Vasa Museum around the 21 minute mark
tough quail
No, Odin is a wg rendition of a supposed scharnhorst preliminary design that they reused the name Odin for
every ship in the research system was never actually completed
manic fractal
i see
tough quail
there's a pin with a document for the basis of all of them here
junior trench
eternal veldt
Ibuki, by a mile
Each PR season thus far has been noticeably less rooted in actual completion/development
junior trench
Speaking of WG fantasy fuckery. The recent Italian TD line is a travesty
tough quail
yeah they just tend to add the properly in development ones as gacha now
do they at least look cool
junior trench
Starts at tier 5, and by tier 7 it's already a made up Cold War prototype thing
eternal veldt
The Italian DD line isn't too bad from what I heard - Adriatico being an Italian Tashkent is annoying
manic fractal
ijn hakuryuu ?
junior trench
do they at least look cool
They look like developmentally delayed Leopard 1s
tough quail
Ow
junior trench
With overbites
tough quail
at least I remember the heavies looking rad
eternal veldt
The chart was recently updated
junior trench
They have limited traverse turrets all the way at front of the hull
eternal veldt
Sorry, read TD as DD, EN disease caught me 
- still, chart is there if needed.
eternal veldt
Flugzeugträger B
manic fractal
i see
eternal veldt
eternal veldt
No.
The ship's construction was suspended in 1939, left to rust until turned into U-boat steel in 1940.
Same for UvH.
manic fractal
i see
eternal veldt
There's at least IIRC around 760 tons of Battleship H/UvH
J....is at a pitiful 40 tons
desert agate
apologize immediately <@286885038208057344>
nah
proper decommissioning would have required separating the bonded panels of the airframe, problem is the bonding used asbestos
It wasnt considered cost effective to try and recover the materials of the airframe
tough quail
aardvarks deserve better than cost effective
desert agate
there was also a lot of other hazardous materials in the airframes as the fuel tanks which actually killed a number of maintenance personnel and many others have been afflicted with cancer in the years following the decommissioning of the airframe
tbqh its better theyre buried than fully disassembled since it means theres at least a chance someone can dig them back up in a few years
but yeah giving even more of the poor sods who had to work on them even higher risks of fatal illnesses probably wasnt on the priority list of the ADF at the time given all the other controversies they were going through with the Pig at the time
frigid karma
odin class for pr 2?
pr2?
keen zealot
KSP-T-12 100mm anti tank gun mounted on a light wheeled vehicle
shrewd pecan
wonder how badly the gun made the vehicle shake
eh never mind it has feet for stabilization
shadow frost
I assume y'all would know the answer to this. How is Laffey's name pronounced? A lot of people pronounce it as "laugh-ee" but then in Slow Ahead it's pronounced as "law-fee"
shadow frost
laffey rhymes with taffy in english
So, "laugh-ee" is correct?
remote monolith
I assume y'all would know the answer to this. How is Laffey's name pronounced? A...
the lattter just turn it into the mythological Laufey
desert agate
It's a soft a not a hard a
Neither of your pronunciations are correct
This is close enough
rugged jetty
leff-y?
desert agate
No...
spiral cedar
Laa-fee
desert agate
Suddenly remembered that some people do in fact pronounce laffey and laugh with the same a sound
Laugh was never meant to be pronounced laff
jagged monolith
no
shadow frost
Laugh was never meant to be pronounced laff
How is laugh supposed to be pronounced then?
eternal veldt
Pronunciation of Laugh differs by region.
Laffey's pronunciation, by my knowledge, should be more like /læfi/
With la being closer to something like, say, laptop
spring briar
https://youtu.be/lIDu7NPLbwc also, before you shit on me for citing Drach, excer...
Very damaging
eternal veldt
Splinters are very nasty
spring briar
Still not sure about the actual lethality vs actual grapeshot on the deck
eternal veldt
By accounts, bad
Drach actually cited a couple records in the early parts of the video
Other sites described oak spalling as sharp knifes - flying at you at very high velocity
You don't need to actually kill the crew off in the age of sail - wounding them is enough
spring briar
As with most weapons ye
A musket ball to the toes is still gonna incapacitate most people
eternal veldt
Morale drops hard when you see your brethern in a pool of blood
It's also why Nelson managed to board a ship, then board the other
"Holy fuck, our commander is dead, we can't organize our defences, is our colours going down? Time to surrender"
eternal veldt
As for lethality, I always look to Chesapeake vs Shannon
spring briar
Revenge from Redoutable
eternal veldt
Very fierce fighting over 15 minutes, lots of dead people because of a raking shot from Shannon
spring briar
Now consider Paixhan gun splinters
eternal veldt
Remember, the bulkheads between the captain's cabins are removed when the beat to quarters is sounded
spring briar
Which are now propelled by an actual explosive and not the momentum of a cannonball
Though I feel like master and commander portrays it best
The spliter damage that is
Many guys lacerated and pierced with few dead from direct hits or big wood tm
eternal veldt
Oh, and if you pay attention enough to the film, you'll notice Acheron's boat dangling off the stern gallery seconds before the shots hit
When beat to quarters is sounded, most ships lower the boats and tow it behind to 1) make sure the boat isnt damaged if it's needed 2) doesn't act as extra splinter fuel
Given the way Acheron was jerbaited though, no time to clear the decks
eternal veldt
Master and Commander is just naval porn if you know the tidbits well
spring briar
He switched with a corpse?
eternal veldt
Yea, and you only have a small prize crew on board
That's why Surprise is hauling ass to chase after Acheron again near the end of the film
It's such a tease
spring briar
I would love to see a good depiction of Redoutable in between victory and temeraire
eternal veldt
Doubt it's going to happen, too much work
spring briar
spring briar
And although I know that strategy wise we got destroyed at Trafalgar
I feel like individual ships fought well
eternal veldt
Look at Achille
Refused to surrender
Kept fighting until literally blown up and everyone dying from cannons going off underwater
eternal veldt
Wrecked in a massive storm afterwards
eternal veldt
Happened to many of the prizes, ironically close to Battle of the Saintes
Heavily damaged wrecks get sent to the bottom
eternal veldt
The RN isn't that far off with a few ships
Victory herself was in trouble until Temeraire told Redoutable to stfu
mellow dove
Imagine the smell
spring briar
eternal veldt
Be woke and nail your colours to the mast like Tonnant, smh
eternal veldt
Surprised Tonnant didnt make it as a Le Fantasque but a submarine, ngl
spring briar
And an ironclad
eternal veldt
https://preview.redd.it/ucnri5wgwlk01.jpg?auto=webp&s=702cba1c6d0f44b8b090775b76...
Ok buddy, time to bring out the Lion Temeraire
eternal veldt
https://youtu.be/XfsuIaTU92Y ah, one more on wood splinters
You're really fucked with a carronade
spring briar
Now imagine standing behind a bulkhead when a SAP shell detonates near it
eternal veldt
anything explosive will really just turn you into paste or worse
Just look at Nashville after her Kamikaze hit
random limb on the searchlight platform
spring briar
eternal veldt
It's why tattoos are popular with sailors of that age- with wood splinters or cannon ball, there's probably still bits of you to be found and recognized if you get tattoos
explosive shells, on the other hand....
spring briar
you have to respect the men that were willing to fight on seeing a guy next to them in a ship or in the line on the battlefield getting mowed down
it takes normal people years to accept that death will come at any moment but for them
they had to realise that in seconds
eternal veldt
https://youtu.be/Ww5yYZXgZZA try this one - not sure of accuracy, but the forlorn hope requires massive balls
spring briar
seen
eternal veldt
as expected
spring briar
it's pretty accurate I'd say
grapeshot is scary
you know those cannonballs used by swivelguns on decks
yeah those are as big as the grapes in grapeshot
eternal veldt
yea, and you can use it to sweep the deck of warships
just not a good idea to be on the weather deck in combat
spring briar
it's weird to me that they didn't at least try applying a thin coat of iron until the 1850's
but I'm sure they have good reasons
like shaping plates that big
cost
eternal veldt
I think I've also heard cases where there isn't enough grapeshot - so you basically just get whatever that kind of crap you have on hand - forks, knifes, anything metal, and fire it - Langridge shot
spring briar
hard to make plates without steam machinery
france and britain advancing naval tech out of 'friendly' rivalry for ages
eternal veldt
There is metal, like copper sheathing
my guess is that it's exorbitantly expensive and weighs the ship down
spring briar
ye
eternal veldt
That's why you rarely see anything beyond 110 guns in that age - the framing will break apart with technology of that age
spring briar
just like supplying troops with armor
eternal veldt
of course, starting in the 1820s you get better framing tech and that's how Britain began shitting out 120-131 guns
but by that point explosive shells are getting invented
spring briar
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-057.php
is this what napoleonic construction speeds do to a mf?
shadow frost
Laffey's pronunciation, by my knowledge, should be more like /læfi/
I know the name is of Irish origin. I thought, maybe it’s pronounced “Lahfay” That sounds a lot more Irish.
eternal veldt
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-057.php
is this what napoleonic construc...
I think some credit should be given to the French - some of the hull designs were good enough for the British to mimic.
spring briar
ofc one has to realise the ships they are talking about in the article
the bucentaurs etc were like made in 1802-1805?
good luck finding enough aged wood
eternal veldt
E.g. Pomone being copied and refined by the RN as Endymion and turned out to be basically sanic
France is oddly quite pioneering even then - L'Invincible at 74 guns, and Renommee at 32 guns IRC were the first of their kind.
spring briar
eternal veldt
and speaking of Chesapeake vs Shannon earlier, there's some funny copium from the US after that
"Nooo, the Shannon used explosives! Cheating!"
"Shannon had more men!"
"Chesapeake was not fully fitted! 38 vs 36 guns!"
spring briar
eternal veldt
all factually incorrect, and in the end kinda did prove to be a skill issue - with Shannon probably the ship with the highest quality of gunnery of her size at that time with a gunnery expert as captain
vs an unprepared and new crew of Chesapeake
eternal veldt
My delusion for a gacha age of sail waifu game continues
eternal veldt
not as bad as the constitution vs victory debates
There are some funny videos back then, especially played on ETW
mmm yas, Constitution sails to exchange broadsides with Victory, a ship that has more than double her guns
🧠
spring briar
guns
eternal veldt
(Ironically, I think Constitution in game uses a Razee model - that of HMS Indefatigable, I think)
spring briar
age of sail gacha when
eternal veldt
L'Orient UR, let's go
eternal veldt
Famous, that's the main point
eternal veldt
You can also get back Formidable - back to the proper owners that is France 
spring briar
when you learn that Nelson was buried in a coffin made from the wood of L'Orient's mast
spring briar
ye
eternal veldt
The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all but he had fled;
The flame that lit the battle's wreck
Shone round him o'er the dead.
ABAB rhyming structure, good stuff
spring briar
eternal veldt
There's also the poem to mock Rodney's performance at Saintes
Had a chief worthy Britain commanded our fleet,
Twenty-five good French ships had been laid at our feet.
eternal veldt
Never mind the guy was pretty sick and was already a pretty good victory to the RN already
tribal mortar
https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-crying-wipe-tears-gif-13314060
When you realise Hardy was the last one at Nelson’s side in Nelson’s life
spring briar
"if the french and spanish fleet had turned 90° to meet nelson's two lines we'd have won too"
that sort of bs
eternal veldt
Gotta need magic to turn them 90 degrees and against the wind 
unless you turn to show your ass and proceed to get all ships in the fleet raked
spring briar
big sad
eternal veldt
Actually, hang on
spring briar
I wonder if there's much we could have done
eternal veldt
https://youtu.be/7rRS-GfsXgk Have you seen this copium?
spring briar
phyrric victory is indeed like the only option really
idk
isn't it phyrric
it's still a victory
spring briar
I would say the glorious 1st of june is more of a phyrric victory
nono I know what phyrric means
eternal veldt
It's something close to more a tactical victory and strategic defeat imo
spring briar
I'm just not sure if the victory shown in that video is phyrric
eternal veldt
The french fleet gets clammed on, still lose ships
I'd say it is? I'm guessing the Video portrays as that multiple British ships get captured
but ultimately still fail to break out of Cadiz and losing the Bucentaure/Trinidad in said process
spring briar
sure
eternal veldt
Villeneuve was KIA too IIRC in that scene, same with Gravina
so Nelson loses some ships, but he lives, and the Franco-Spanish leadership is decapitated
Pyrrhic imo.
eternal veldt
Court Martialled, probably
replace him with Hood or Jervis, build more ships to cope
Truth be told, other than his victories, I'm not too much of a fan of Nelson's personality and manners
spring briar
how so
eternal veldt
Too flamboyant and sometimes arrogant imo - As you're well aware, he was told not to wear his medals all around the place during Trafalgar
he also complained how he only got "Viscount" after Nile
spring briar
ah right he was recognized and sniped
eternal veldt
and finally, just...how he talked with Wellington
eternal veldt
Before he knew who Wellington was, guy just kept bragging about how many battles he won and so
then he changes his tune completely once he knew "oh shit, it's Wellington"
spring briar
yeah I don't like people that can't keep their ego in check
it usually bites them back
as happened to him
eternal veldt
Nelson left no record of what he thought of Wellesley, but in later life the Duke of Wellington gave his account of the meeting. He claimed that Nelson did not initially recognise him, and spoke in a light and superficial manner before leaving the room for a moment. When Nelson returned, however, someone had clearly told him whom he had been speaking to and his entire attitude changed so that the two men then spoke as equals for the remainder of their brief conversation.
I guess AL did the right thing to Nelson's attitude at least.
spring briar
straight at them
spring briar
you a fan of Wellington
eternal veldt
Haven't read up on him much, so no opinion
His spidey story gets passed around a lot though
spring briar
eternal veldt
Duncan, though, I like a bit better if only based on his action at Camperdown
refused De Winter's sword, shaked his hand and played cards with him instead
eternal veldt
vs Nelson offering a tissue box to a French officer whose nose is broken, and a toothpick to an officer who lost his teeth
of course, he blames it all on "oops, my eye is broken, can't blame me, haha"
spring briar
truly a british hero
eternal veldt
Still, he did well enough in the fights he fought in, so overall scars on his record, rather than full on disdain for him
spring briar
I thought De Ruyter was Dutch?
I'm talking about Nelsol
tribal mortar
I'm talking about Nelsol
Oh
eternal veldt
compared to people like cough McCunter
tribal mortar
Then Jean Bart is French or Dutch?
eternal veldt
French, Privateer
tribal mortar
French, Privateer
Ahh.. because he was under Der Ruyter’s service, I thought he was a Dutch who switched sides.
That and his other spelling Jan Baert
spring briar
Jean Bart was born in Flanders
tribal mortar
Jean Bart was born in Flanders
Isn’t it Dunkerque?
spring briar
Dunkerque was part of Flanders then
tribal mortar
Dunkerque was part of Flanders then
Flanders is Flemish right?
spring briar
when Jan Baert was 12 Dunkerque became a French city as Turenne took it back from the Spanish
eternal veldt
How good is De Ruyter? I've heard of his Medway raid of course, but haven't read on his personality.
tribal mortar
when Jan Baert was 12 Dunkerque became a French city as Turenne took it back fro...
Hey, Turenne is the name of that one battleship.
spring briar
then Louis XIV gave dunkerque to the british
so Jan Baert is Flemish, Spanish, French and English
eternal veldt
if you mean Turenne from WoWS, it's fake
but, a 100 gun SoL and an ironclad nonetheless.
eternal veldt
It's a regunned Danton class.
tribal mortar
WOWS FOOLED ME
spring briar
ye
tribal mortar
It's a regunned Danton class.
Oh
eternal veldt
The chart was recently updated
I posted a chart a few hours ago on what ships are real and fake
and sadly for France, not a small amount are shitty WG inventions
tribal mortar
and sadly for France, not a small amount are shitty WG inventions
Are there any French CVs besides the Joffre and Painleve?
tribal mortar
and various PA XX projects
What’s that?
spring briar
Porte Avion (aircraft carrier) projects
tribal mortar
Porte Avion (aircraft carrier) projects
Ohh... gonna look it up
tribal mortar
Can’t forget the cursed Grossflugzeugkreuzers
eternal veldt
Doesn't matter anyway, watch WG ignore everything presented in the book or in this forum
converted Dunkerque carrier, converted Alsace carrier, Converted La Gallisoniere carrier
"All based on hISTORICAL reSearch"
tribal mortar
"All based on hISTORICAL reSearch"
Oof
eternal veldt
very irritated at the new "Pan-American" line
valid trout
very irritated at the new "Pan-American" line
im surprised not as many people are irritated at the new hybrid line
eternal veldt
Because we know the US Hybrid line is a pipe dream headed by Gibbs and Cox's designs
The Pan American line, however, is full of historical proposals from various nations and companies such as Vickers Armstrong
valid trout
oh ok
eternal veldt
"Yea, we'll just clobber up a couple preliminary worcesters that the US never sold to the Pan American nations, we did our research" is their response
which deserves a middle finger
valid trout
Do we have a picture of the new Quad 406mm on the Tier x hybrid?
valid trout
which deserves a middle finger
mhm
eternal veldt
not avoided, just read and "oh ok, thanks, but we'll do our own thing anyway"
Same story for the Dutch
Entire Dutch Archive is literally FREE on the internet
valid trout
that looks cursed ;-;
eternal veldt
Gouden Leeuw: I have brain damage
Well, they did say it's going to be free
which I guess means grind your balls off Christmas like Gorizia
valid trout
do you also have pic of the twin 406mm on the hybrids?
eternal veldt
valid trout
why does that just look like a colorado gun but thinner ;-;
eternal veldt
It's a shaved off Iowa gun, nothing remarkable
valid trout
It's a shaved off Iowa gun, nothing remarkable
still looks cursed in my opinion
eternal veldt
That's the whole line anyway
eternal veldt
US Navy: Mr. Gibbs, Your design is impractical and inferior to our ongoing studies that would result in the Montanas
WG: What if we convert Montana into Gibb's design?
eternal veldt
@chilly flower plen
