history

[ivory ridge]

[strong plank]

now those spelling and grammar errors make a lot more sense

[chilly osprey]

Huh, how are you guys seeing his posts? I can't pull them up anymore

[strong plank]

when you consider their strange defensiveness to the nazis

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/a-silent-voice-shoko-makinohara-shoko-asv-gif-gif-22890624

[spring briar]

...

[ivory ridge]

they are not war crimes if i close my eyes

[strong plank]

god I dunno if I can even call em a wehraboo

they seem more like a nazi wannabee

[spring briar]

a nazi wannabee that is also an alt universe ouiaboo?

tf is that supposed to be

[strong plank]

people trash nazi germany
takes personal offense

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Uncluding

[spring briar]

WAIT

[frigid karma]

Is that the opposite of including

[spring briar]

HE IS LITERALLY PETAIN

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Didn’t petain like

Actually do good in wwi

[spring briar]

he did
but people change jimmy

[frigid karma]

Yeah but was this gentleman online ever competent ?

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Pride Pétain gets his first use on my first day of having him

[tough quail]

petain was fantastic in ww1

then the dementia kicked in

[spiral cedar]

Wouldn’t say that…

[spring briar]

what did we fight for again?

[tough quail]

finally a single good take

[spring briar]

france?
no no
GERMANY

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

..i mean

yes, i think?

[spiral cedar]

No

[strong plank]

didn't save her tho

[tough quail]

which one tops her in size

[spring briar]

SOyuz

[frigid karma]

vanguard

Tonnage wise at least

Not sure about length

[ivory ridge]

Vanguard is 7 meters longer

[spiral cedar]

Also, like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Queen_Elizabeth_(R08)

[spring briar]

soon PANG

[strong plank]

b-but sabaton said

[spring briar]

soon

[tough quail]

tirpitz still has a thousand tons on vanguard

[frigid karma]

Ah that’s right

[tough quail]

at full load anyway, which is what i usually go on

[frigid karma]

Tirpitz got torpedoes under her skirt

[spring briar]

1.9 meters

(you meant the ship)

(but funni)

[frigid karma]

Either way the dude was talking about biscuit

[ivory ridge]

De Gaulle is 42.5k full

[chilly osprey]

She is smol for a CVN

[spring briar]

I've seen CdG in Toulon
she's big

shut phoe

[chilly osprey]

Though still big by normal standards

[frigid karma]

I thought you were talking about the cl

[strong plank]

"don't talk to me or my son ever again"

[spring briar]

cute

[spiral cedar]

Challenge: Say literally anything true

(impossible)

[ivory ridge]

where is that meme with the photoshopped CDG between the 2 QEs

[frigid karma]

L-l-Leyte gulf?

[spring briar]

oh god they simp the IJN...

[strong plank]

what the actual fuck

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Lmfao

[strong plank]

"Taiho was as big as midway"

[frigid karma]

Literally one of the only Bb fights in ww2

[spiral cedar]

Shinano is an A-150

[frigid karma]

And he picked that

[spiral cedar]

H-class conversions to carriers

[frigid karma]

No

6x2

[spiral cedar]

Oh

[frigid karma]

Literally fuso with 510s

[spiral cedar]

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

the allies (1944 edition)

[strong plank]

carrier groups moving in formation is so satisfying

[frigid karma]

Where dd tho

Watching carriers sail smoothly while their escorts are fighting for their lives is funny

[ivory ridge]

definitely on scale pic, no trickery here

[strong plank]

speaking of carriers I found a report on the makeup of US carrier wings over time

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

So is he like

[strong plank]

oh god are they chinese

[frigid karma]

A simp or not

[frigid karma]

Chinese would never wank ijn

[tough quail]

[spring briar]

they must be from indochina
there's like no other way

[tough quail]

IT

BEGINS

[chilly osprey]

Dropped.

Definitely dropped as a child.

[spring briar]

Laos or Cambodja

defo

[frigid karma]

I mean they didn’t start the global conflict either way

[spiral cedar]

This is the only clue I could find

[frigid karma]

[strong plank]

anyway have this funny graphic

[spring briar]

truth

[strong plank]

nobody show WG this graph

[frigid karma]

Wg sees and doesn’t care

[chilly osprey]

Oh dear

Odds are probably good he's from somewhere that used to be Yugoslavia

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Rounding error

Nothing unusual

[spiral cedar]

The most cringe take of all

[spring briar]

/s

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[ivory ridge]

i dont remember the details of this specific deployment so i only recognize a ticonderoga, one italian and one french horizon and i think a fremm on the top right?

[spring briar]

ok they have schizophrenia

[strong plank]

or no filter

like 80% of reddit

[spiral cedar]

…huh?

[strong plank]

and 30% of this sub

[spring briar]

wha

[frigid karma]

100% Steel! Z-52 is broken OP and that thing is better on paper...

What

[spring briar]

atleast the first part of his post is accurate

[ivory ridge]

oh a french fremm on the left

[strong plank]

I should clarify this is from late 2018

[frigid karma]

Why does hr always spam …

[frigid karma]

I just realized f35 profile looks like a club penguin

[frigid karma]

Does anyone remember that game

[strong plank]

why would you bring back those memories

[spring briar]

this guy literaly lives in another universe

and is posting through interstellar wormhole reddit

[frigid karma]

Yes push ...that's why you have 15+ inch armour and main guns - to lead the charge and tank the damage addressed to the weaker teammates and protect them! This is your role as the biggest class in the team - NOT to stay on your maximum range far from your allies! That's why cruisers usually sunk in the first 5-10 minutes ...because every battleship commander forgot his role in the battle! That's why WG will add more OP Shit like Stalingrad and Petropavlovsk ...even more OP!!!

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Talking about biscuit btw

15 inch belt

[chilly osprey]

Oh god I remember this thread

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Oh lord

He’s a tankie

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Oh sorry ...I'm living literally on 100 steps from the Kirov Memorial (it's in the middle of the neighbourhood) and grow up with the stories! My source ...BIG AND HEAVY GRANIT BLOCKS AROUND THE TURRETS WITH ENGRAVED LOCATION AND DATE! ENOURMOUS GLOD PLATED TEXTS TELLING THE STORY OF KIROV!!!

[spring briar]

say almost enough times and she will do it

[strong plank]

l+ratio+no propellors+got torpedoed by a battleship

[frigid karma]

If kansen are powered by human emotions

[tough quail]

germany must be really surprised when there was like

[delicate beacon]

I'm going to steal Godwin's law.

[frigid karma]

Does that mean IB is as strong as they are

Because

[ivory ridge]

this is getting more and more confusing

[spiral cedar]

KC

[frigid karma]

Copium

[tough quail]

whoops why was that a reply

sorry phoenix

[frigid karma]

They’re literally powered by copium

[delicate beacon]

Any discussion about Naval History is going to end up at Bismarck

[tough quail]

germany must have been really confused when that "whole royal navy" had like

five other navies of the same size backing it that

more?

[chilly osprey]

No worries

[ivory ridge]

the naval history carcinization

[delicate beacon]

Oh boy

[delicate beacon]

Both chats are now Bismarck'd

Sanglune's law is in effect!

[strong plank]

man it's really funny reading all these reports from '18 and '19

where they're like

[delicate beacon]

🍝

[frigid karma]

Kekw another one

Amagi was scraped in 1924 one year after The Great Kanto Earthquake in 1923! The Japs manage to save only her sister ship Akagi and by pure luck! This is 100% IJN Carrier but is NOT Amagi ...unless ...this is her Ghost! •.•

[frigid karma]

A lot of his comments are Russian

[spring briar]

I wonder if there are people like him but for the USN and RN

[frigid karma]

And he lives right next to the Kirov memorial or smth

So I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that he’s Russian

[strong plank]

eya

[strong plank]

god this reminds me

fucking

[spiral cedar]

Wonder if he’s in ALO

[strong plank]

the AL lewd subreddit had this one dude

that would comment on any pic with an EU character and type the most edgy shit they could

think like

hopping onto any picture with arizona and taunting 'the americans'

[chilly osprey]

Closest I can think of is when I encountered someone that thought Forester's The Ship was a historical account of Second Sirte

[spiral cedar]

Oh no, he’s a Karen too

[frigid karma]

There is tens of photos by Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Planes of Stalingrad with mounted Barbettes in 1941 and even a freaking video recorded by a Stuka Pilot in 1943 how one squadron destroying her in the Dry Dock in Kronstadt! The Soviets barely manage to save her sister ship Moskva by towing her to Siberia but due heavy damage she take Moskva sunk while they transport her (somewhere in Siberia)!

[frigid karma]

STALINGRAD FINISHED IN 41

[tough quail]

wh-

Wha

[chilly osprey]

HA

[tough quail]

What

[chilly osprey]

SERB

I almost said they were earlier because I was sure

[manic latch]

A Serbian huh

[tough quail]

SERB DETECTED

[frigid karma]

HES WORKING WITH THE SIRENSSERBIANS

[chilly osprey]

But didn't want to piss anyone off here with the assumption

[strong plank]

Kosovo is a part of Serbia
we'll fucking do it again

[chilly osprey]

Go on Serbia

Do the funny

[frigid karma]

Izmail was launched too but never complete ...Sovetsky Soyuz was 40% Complete but scraped due to bad quality metal found on inspection! Stalingrad was 70% Complete in 1943 but the Luftwaffe Stukas round her up with many bombs!

[spiral cedar]

Is this the Mogador post

[frigid karma]

He’s definitely Serb or Russian

[chilly osprey]

See how many NATO troops are there

[manic latch]

IM LOSING MYSELF

[frigid karma]

Probably Russian given his comment language

[strong plank]

why is it when you search gifs for serbia, the first one's a gif of astolfo

[manic latch]

STALINGRAD DIDNT EXISTED IN 1943

[chilly osprey]

LMAO

[spiral cedar]

Russian

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515583624083406848/989339548276391946/jxuo2h4k42391.gif

[frigid karma]

A lot of his comments are in Russian too

[strong plank]

Serbia has elected to receive

[spring briar]

@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

[manic latch]

HOOOW HOOOW. How can he be so wrong on Stalingrad and Soyuz despite so easy to get info

[delicate beacon]

le hug

[chilly osprey]

Ah, I see

I mean

[spring briar]

Le typical Serb

[delicate beacon]

Idea!

[chilly osprey]

Have you seen the rest of his comments

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

kuznetsov continues to impress

[strong plank]

who'd have thought you could fit the backrooms into a carrier

[spiral cedar]

A true weeaboo in the thousand-times-folded sense of the word

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

never conquered in the last two years

[chilly osprey]

[spiral cedar]

Can’t get conquered if you surrender before the invasion

[manic latch]

Mongol invasion was damn luck too

[frigid karma]

Interestingly tho

Nothing can bounce Yamato...till 0.9.7 arrive!

WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE MIGHTY HIPPO YOU STUPID STUPID RUSSIANS!?!?!?

[spring briar]

remember the time the us could've destroyed all of japan by simply farting
same with britain and france going around trollin in china?

[frigid karma]

Is he Bulgarian

Fuck this is confusing

[manic latch]

I think he is trolling tbh or just lying

Serbia, Russia, Romania

[frigid karma]

I hate the balkans Bismarck was right about them

[chilly osprey]

Slavia?

[strong plank]

bulgaria

[manic latch]

Yugoslavia?

[spiral cedar]

Remember when FDR personally reached down and told every ship in the Pacific Fleet to sink Yamato specifically

[chilly osprey]

Igoslavia

[manic latch]

151 points

Smh

[chilly osprey]

I mean, FDR had that power

[ivory ridge]

I want to see Centauro 2s slam on M-84s

[chilly osprey]

He was the Chosen One

[spring briar]

yet he couldn't stand

[manic latch]

I respect FDR. He wasn't rude to Soviets

[spring briar]

FDR invented the US
then went back in time and made washington the first president just because he was so humble

[ivory ridge]

cia-made propaganda NATO-wave my beloved

[chilly osprey]

Each Roosevelt had limited placed on them to prevent them from ascending to godhood

[chilly osprey]

FDR had Polio

Teddy Roosevelt had asthma

[spring briar]

Churchil: STALIN YOU DONUT YOU WILL GET ATTACKED IN 1941
Stalin: nyet comrade

1941:

[ivory ridge]

god that OP username reminds me of an individual i dont think i can mention here

[spiral cedar]

Oh yeah

[ivory ridge]

when did the syrian war start again, is it history yet

[manic latch]

Who would have thought Moustache man would create 2 fucking fronts of 2 major nations closest to him

[spring briar]

which syrian war

[delicate beacon]

cute chat

[chilly osprey]

Oh

[strong plank]

2011?

[chilly osprey]

I know who you mean lol

[strong plank]

oh god

[alpine onyx]

Oh god that Strasbourg thread

[humble mulch]

not 20 years yet

[strong plank]

y'all wanna hear the most unfortunate name I've ever heard

[chilly osprey]

Oh, hey, Sirene can suffer with me too now

[alpine onyx]

And how she apprently solo'd the ugly sisters

[chilly osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-member-memberberries-south-park-you-remember-remember-that-time-gif-20408216

[strong plank]

so the place I used to fence at was owned by this Russian dude

whose father was born during Molotov-Ribbentrop

[alpine onyx]

With the Germans covering up the entire operation, including the journey around the British isles, to even be where he claims they were

Ugh

[strong plank]

guess what his first name was

[valid trout]

Ribbentrop

[chilly osprey]

Dolf?

[strong plank]

Adolf

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

lmao

[valid trout]

Lmao

[strong plank]

that man must've had the worst childhood

[chilly osprey]

We had an Adolf in my family prior to the war

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Everyone called him Dolfy

[delicate beacon]

Understandable.

[chilly osprey]

He, uh, used Allan

[strong plank]

hitler having relatives living in the US is still the funniest shit to me

[manic latch]

Adolf
Adolphus
Adolpheus

[strong plank]

imagine thanksgiving in like 1935

[tough quail]

its so weirdly charming to me

[strong plank]

"why can't you be more like your uncle?"

[chilly osprey]

Most ironic part being he was Jewish and was briefly a governor of part of occupied Germany after the war

[spiral cedar]

Ah yes, the famous Resident Evil character, Adolf Wong

[strong plank]

"your uncle just became chancellor of a country in Europe while you do nothing but slack off!"

[manic latch]

He should follow his steps?

[strong plank]

4 years later

"aight nevermind"

wait so is 20 years the hard limit?

[spiral cedar]

Which statement is worse

[spring briar]

idk if I should feel bad for Phoenix and Sirene after reading that
or if I should be sad that Strasbourg did fuck all

or should I make a richie version of this emote

[strong plank]

bc if so then damn I gotta wait until march to talk about the GOPLATs

[strong plank]

[manic latch]

ITS PEOPLE LIKE HIM CAUSING THIS CONFUSION ON MONTANA'S

[delicate beacon]

I have found a shortcut to my fight against misinformation

[frigid karma]

Sang

what is your pfp holding

[delicate beacon]

A lamp

[frigid karma]

I see

[delicate beacon]

Saint Martins is this week

[frigid karma]

Why do you look slightly mentally unstable

[strong plank]

actually wait I wonder if Hit's familiar with Al Faw 2003

[delicate beacon]

It's like Halloween except if your country has a culture

[humble mulch]

I genuinely have zero idea but modern politics and current event things generally speaking aren't cool, realistically cause of that it should be 5 years give or take to be history, but there's lots of stuff that can easily be talked about in bad taste such is the conflict in Syria with headasses, half the shit in the Balkans, and etc

[frigid karma]

ok you really don't wanna play this game

[spring briar]

stop inventing fake national holidays

[frigid karma]

we didn't even invent halloween

you europoors did

[strong plank]

since apparently the RAN nicknamed the operation "Five-Inch-Friday"

[spring briar]

what is your counter argument

[strong plank]

cool

[delicate beacon]

Richie you celebrate the freeing of prisoners.

[spring briar]

yes

it's wholesome

[frigid karma]

halloween allows us to celebrate the most treasured of american cultural aspects

[delicate beacon]

I celebrate a brave soul sharing his cloak to a hobo

[frigid karma]

vandalism and diabetes

[spring briar]

that isn't brave

that's lame
he could've given him money

[delicate beacon]

Shut

[spiral cedar]

Mm, yes, history

[manic latch]

wot

[delicate beacon]

Saint Martins was smart

[spring briar]

I see phoe

[spiral cedar]

Saw that Phoenix

[humble mulch]

Don't forget wanting to get free shit and not wanting to give out free shit

[delicate beacon]

If he gave money he would spend it on booze

[chilly osprey]

:p

[alpine onyx]

Phoenix

Bonk

[delicate beacon]

Heck what did I miss

[frigid karma]

what did phoenix write

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

kinky sex

[frigid karma]

typical

carry on

[delicate beacon]

I take it a lady was in the screenshot tabs

[frigid karma]

also did tea approve the funny emote name

or has no one noticed

[spring briar]

phoenix's wife

is excel

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

(sexcel)

[frigid karma]

[alpine onyx]

She excels at her stuff

[spring briar]

ayyyyyy

[manic latch]

[spiral cedar]

oi

[humble mulch]

[strong plank]

the whole episode with Al Faw and the GOPLATs is cool because you've got the Royal Marines, the RAN, the SEALs, and the Polish GROM all working the same operation

[delicate beacon]

I use Google, the opposite of Microsofts Excel. My wife is an incel!
Wait...

[frigid karma]

jaba knows a thing or two about being aroused by numbers

[spring briar]

excel -> sexcel -> sex sells -> AL marketing strat -> excel
OH GOD

it's full circle

[chilly osprey]

He's cracked the code

[frigid karma]

jaba can only sex when reading ordnance pamphlet 1664

[humble mulch]

He's to dangerous to be left alive

[frigid karma]

[strong plank]

also my dad helped plan the SEAL component of the operation so that's neat

[spring briar]

ordnance pamphlet 1664

isn't even complete

[frigid karma]

he will finish it

[humble mulch]

I don't want to know what that is

[frigid karma]

[manic latch]

He is too powerful on the dark side

[humble mulch]

Regal carry on with your cool spec ops stuff

[delicate beacon]

Give me the pamphlet with BUSTER and STAAG

[frigid karma]

tea, this is context

[humble mulch]

OH NO

[spiral cedar]

https://maritime.org/doc/ordnance/

Here

[frigid karma]

ordnance isn't the usual nsfw channel either

[alpine onyx]

What was the original question

[frigid karma]

it's the

[humble mulch]

Back to history related shit posting and not inside jokes you heathen

[frigid karma]

speshul

one

[alpine onyx]

Gimme context

[spring briar]

this is 1664's british brother, 1665

british moan

[spiral cedar]

GZ and Weser actually existed unlike Haku

[alpine onyx]

kek

[frigid karma]

yesn't

[humble mulch]

Bro wait thats cool

[alpine onyx]

Poor Weser

[spring briar]

only a true legend has read all the 166x's

[delicate beacon]

Voorladers

Disgusting

[spring briar]

if you do not have bulletpicker on your hotbar
are you even a naval history fan?

[frigid karma]

has hesh ever been used in naval applications

[manic latch]

Why would you need HESH

[spiral cedar]

Yes. British WWI shells

[humble mulch]

Are missiles hesh?

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

jaba post the emote

[humble mulch]

Poor brits

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

cannonballs aren't hesh

kekw

[spring briar]

jaba is referring to pre-blue band shells

[frigid karma]

i should be able to use a hesh shell as a soft body pillow

for it to be considered hesh

[spring briar]

which basically acts like hesh

but worse

[spiral cedar]

What happens is that the entire volume of black powder is suddenly compressed like it was hit by a hammer into the front end of the shell cavity and it all explodes everywhere inside simultaneously. It may be only about one-third as powerful as Lyddite, but there is about three times the weight of Lyddite in a CPC shell, so the total blast power and the short time make the two types of shell act very much alike. In tests, both shell types, when they exploded as a detonation (Lyddite) or pseudo-detonation (black powder) inside a thick armor plate, could break the plate in half, which is kind of amazing for black powder, is it not?

[frigid karma]

isn't the point of hesh to only compress the head

hence the squash-head

[spring briar]

that's to spread the explosive over a larger area

[delicate beacon]

Aight Heck y'all

I'm getting a slice of apple pie

[spring briar]

have fun

[alpine onyx]

🍎

[humble mulch]

Apple pie is mid

[manic latch]

🔪 🥧

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/723188283147943937/1035556048788000808/cat_gun.gif

1947

🇮🇳

[chilly osprey]

What the hell is she doing to that cat

[ivory ridge]

Postal 2

[manic latch]

[delicate beacon]

Okay I have apple pie

[frigid karma]

(((you are going to die horribly)))

[delicate beacon]

You guys can continue distracting me from doing my tables

[spiral cedar]

Checking reproductive health

[humble mulch]

I legally can't make any further comment, but would Hesh shells work for naval guns or would their size and velocity of impact not make it worth it due to armor values and what not in ww2 or are subpar to the effects of missiles in the modern age

[frigid karma]

(a) that cat's face is weird
(b) what is the trigger?

[spring briar]

the trigger is dies

[frigid karma]

tea, he posted it not me

i bear no legal responsibility

[manic latch]

No honor among thieves

[spiral cedar]

Not worth due to compartmentalization and backing plates

[chilly osprey]

HESH doesn't really make sense versus HE or SAP in the modern context, because generally ships aren't armored, outside of splinter protection for internal components

[spring briar]

jaba was faster

[chilly osprey]

And tbh you're still generally firing missiles at most ships

[manic latch]

HESH warhead missile

[humble mulch]

Yeah that makes sense

[frigid karma]

Speaking of missiles

[spring briar]

however
you can use the principle of HESH (shockwave) to increase the penetration of your AP shell

[frigid karma]

What if you designed a missile with a more ballistic trajectory that was intended to be intercepted, so it could spread bio weapons onto the ship

[manic latch]

[humble mulch]

[frigid karma]

Biggest factor is how far you could get the bio weapons to go

[chilly osprey]

If you have a ballistic missile

[frigid karma]

After interception

[chilly osprey]

Why not just hit the ship with it

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[strong plank]

anyway I'm still reading about the operation but from what I understand:
-The Royal Marines were tasked with an amphibious landing on the Al Faw Peninsula, backed up by ships from the Royal Navy and Royal Australian Navy
-U.S. Marines would attack and seize the oil fields to the south
-SEAL Team 3 would capture the monitoring station
-SEAL Teams 8 and 10 would capture one of the oil platforms while Polish GROM would capture the other

and like all 5 of these would have to happen simultaneously

[frigid karma]

I just want missiles with bio weapons

[chilly osprey]

It will be more effective than trying to disperse a slow-acting agent over the ship at the height any missile is getting intercepted

[frigid karma]

Ok

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

If any of that agent even reached the ship

[frigid karma]

Heh, reminds me of that bf1 operation

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Qwerty will be CEO of Umbrella corporation

[frigid karma]

Fao fortress

[strong plank]

and yeah my dad was the intelligence plans officer for the SEAL part of the mission

[frigid karma]

Not sure why they wanted to make such a large battle out of what was basically like the ottomans ditching a fort without a fight

[strong plank]

ended up serving for longer in Iraq

they told him he'd by home by August

[spring briar]

me: a cemented plate (happy)
gets tempered

internal microstructure is now bainite
me:

[strong plank]

boy did that one not age too well

also I love that the Op to capture Saddam was called Operation Red Dawn

[manic latch]

Qwerty gave me an idea

Rich. Can you combine a smoke with electricity

[strong plank]

and the two search sites were named Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2

[spring briar]

uh not really

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

I see what they did there

[delicate beacon]

The thing about airborne particals is they generally conduct very poorly compared to solids.

[spring briar]

the electricity would simply find the path of least resistance via smoke particles and discharge in a "lightning" bolt

[frigid karma]

Why would you need to combine smoke with electricity

[delicate beacon]

To cast a spell in magicka I pressume

[spring briar]

he's looking for T-14 armata upgrades

[spiral cedar]

Upgraded chaff presumably

[frigid karma]

But chaff is something you dump and run

[manic latch]

^

[strong plank]

strap a tesla coil to the turret roof to take out top-attack missiles

[frigid karma]

Isn’t that just a trophy system with sci fi bullshit

[manic latch]

Actually

There is a new concept of armor

Electric armor

[spring briar]

don't

no

stop

[manic latch]

Shut

[frigid karma]

The [redacted] [redacted]

[manic latch]

It's being working on

[spring briar]

no you shut

[strong plank]

[spring briar]

it's terrible

[strong plank]

could we revive the SDI if we build a big enough tesla coil

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_armour

Don't fear innovation Rich

[spring briar]

protection against shaped charges

shaped charges already barely affect tanks anymore

ERA is fine

[manic latch]

A key advantage of electric armour is its lighter weight. Whereas ERA (explosive reacting armour) can add 10 to 20 tons of weight to a tank in explosives, electric armour could be effective with as little as a few tons of weight

[strong plank]

wouldn't it require an active electric current to be supplied though

[spring briar]

lighter weight
until you realise the battery is not included

[strong plank]

whereas ERA you just strap em on and go

[spring briar]

yes regal

[manic latch]

Now I wonder that about future engines

Given more focus on electricity for power

[spring briar]

fusion power by 2025

[strong plank]

well no like

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

what happens if your engine busts

you're fucked

[manic latch]

Isn't that

Always apply

[spring briar]

your armor becomes useless spaced

[manic latch]

Like dead engine means mission kill anyway no?

Or dead on water

[spring briar]

forget about electric armor
BELIEVE IN NEW MATERIALS

[strong plank]

in a normal tank the crew doesn't become dead meat and lose all their survivability

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Wait.
Does APS work without electricity

[spring briar]

if the aps radar has a battery

[strong plank]

the more I look at the merkava the more its turret looks like an oyster

[spring briar]

indeed

[delicate beacon]

Richie

boomies

[spring briar]

trotyl

[tough quail]

never forget that batshit crazy russian era body armor

[spring briar]

dragonskin?

[strong plank]

my ribcage may be gone but at least the bullet didn't penetrate

[tough quail]

does it have a name now? im thinking of the original patent

[manic latch]

Dynamic Armor or Electric Armor is a type of armor which has been proposed for the protection of ships from shaped charge weapons. The idea is that the system uses a strong electric field to disrupt the jet of ionized gas produced by the warhead. The system has been proposed as an upgrade to the Gerald R. Ford-class supercarriers

[manic latch]

But where they would put this armor on ford tho? I doubt it's deck but

[strong plank]

I mean if your carrier has to worry about armor

you've already done several things wrong

[manic latch]

Hypersonic gang

[tough quail]

fwiw a small explosive charge going off to hit something as flimsy as a bullet would have significantly less back blast than the bullet hitting actual ceramic armor instead

the issue is more cost than feasibility

[manic latch]

Man

ERA for warships

How large it would be

[strong plank]

I'm sure we'll see further AEGIS developments to counter stuff like hypersonic cruise missiles

[manic latch]

gets to dock
era slams to dockyard

[spring briar]

don't tell anyone but trotyl is just TNT

[tough quail]

honestly i think if we ever saw like

[spiral cedar]

How to ensure no one wants to share a foxhole with you

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

a protracted naval war again

[frigid karma]

Why

[delicate beacon]

Trinotrotulol

[frigid karma]

People don’t shoot heat at ships

[strong plank]

we do a little trotyling

[frigid karma]

They’re big

[tough quail]

we would probably end up seeing an ERA equivalent for warships fairly quickly

[spring briar]

2,4,6 trinitrotoluene
you have to mention the position of the nitro groups

[tough quail]

because conceptually its fairly easy to develop, install and make worthwhile

its just nobody wants to spend that much money

when navies do jack shit as is

[delicate beacon]

But is it S or D?

[strong plank]

ehh

[spring briar]

with the methyl group on toluene being one the 1 position

[chilly osprey]

Because fundamentally if you're relying on armor you're just so fucked already

[delicate beacon]

Well the one position is always infered with the name

[strong plank]

probably a greater emphasis on making sure you can keep interception systems well supplied

[tough quail]

relying on one form of defense is silly

[delicate beacon]

or at least, the lowest position

[tough quail]

you'd do all of the above

[spring briar]

sang

[delicate beacon]

What?

[strong plank]

return to 1944 monke brain

slap ciws on every available surface

[chilly osprey]

The thing is, it's just far more effective to make sure the ship doesn't get hit in the first place

[tough quail]

yes, but you cannot and never will guarantee it wont get hit

[chilly osprey]

Especially since you can or armor vital components like the ship's radars, or VLS covers

[tough quail]

so you'd just do both

layered defense is always, always, always the way to go

[spring briar]

speed is armor proponent

fisher is happy

[spiral cedar]

From a structural strength and fragment resistance point of view, sure some light armor might have utility. But they aren't in places where ERA would help. A strengthened main deck? Around the magazines? Along the structural members at the keel? Putting ERA there would just worsen the situation, not improve it

[chilly osprey]

Layered defense is the name of the game, yes, but the survivability onion extends very far out past the point of a ship being hit

[manic latch]

Armor quality, bulkheads, bulkhead doors, pumps, damage control, crew training, anti fragmentation armor, anti radioative ceiling, auxiliary emergency power generators, triple bottom, Anti torpedo belt, CIWS, Medium and long range AA, Chafs, Battle group

[frigid karma]

Return to 1945 mindset

Get plane to shoot down missile

[strong plank]

Ace combat that shit

[tough quail]

the 1945 mindset is "fuck what do we do now that we dont have money"

[spring briar]

also one has to remember ERA is meant to reduce the penetration of LONG ROD penetrators
against large naval shells ERA would have to have a massive flyer plate and by that point it will likely just be overcome by the shell's momentum anyways

[manic latch]

What bout missiles

[spiral cedar]

Most missiles are more analogous to flying torpedoes than to AP shells or darts. Which should show why using ERA to stop a torpedo is rather silly

[ivory ridge]

era tds era tds

[spiral cedar]

You stop torpedoes by a) destroying the launch platform, b) intercepting them while they are on the way, or c) absorbing the damage through subdivision and internal protection

Not rejecting it outright at the skin of the ship

[strong plank]

yeah I feel like if anything we'd see more emphasis on interception and damage control

[manic latch]

Yooo imagine Pugliese's cylinder actually throw itself toward to impact after hit was done

[chilly osprey]

It also has to be remembered that a lot of missiles aren't there to strike at machinery or magazines below the waterline, but more so to hit higher in the hull to take out CIC's, radars and other sensor systems, armament, etc.

There's also just the sheer kinetic force of impact involved too.

A lot of this is impractical or outright not possible to armor.

And this is the stuff that will mission-kill a ship

[spring briar]

bismarck's entire aft was ERA
very effective at protecting the rest of the ship from the torpedo damage
by losing the aft in the hit, the crew was safe

[tough quail]

troo

[spring briar]

and eugen ig

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

This is why even stuff like CIWS is generally an afterthought, and done with an eye, usually, of having it have a minimum impact on the ship.

The main defensive layer is always going to be the SAMs, which can deal with the threat much farther from the ship, and inside of that, Defensive EA and decoys.

[spring briar]

and EW?

[chilly osprey]

In the sense of a ship defending itself, that would be Defensive Electronic Attack

[manic latch]

Are lasers CIWS? Given their range is...

What's their range lol

[spring briar]

oh

[chilly osprey]

And then beyond that the survivability onion goes out much further, when it comes to things like not being detected in the first place by limiting emissions and reducing enemy ISR, or breaking up their kill chain in general, etc

[spring briar]

EA is electronic attack

[chilly osprey]

Lasers don't really exist as real CIWS at this point

It's something that they hope they'll be able to do in the future with lasers in the 300 kW class

[strong plank]

directed energy's still being worked out

[chilly osprey]

But we're not quite there yet. As of now, they're more for taking out smaller and slower targets like drones, small surface craft, and frying sensors (IR, E/O).

[spring briar]

I guess current lasers could atleast fry some sentitive parts of the missile's sensors?

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, they certainly could

I'm not sure how effective that would be against radar homing types, but you can certainly blind electro-optical or infrared imaging seekers, if not destroy them outright.

[manic latch]

"Compared to hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for a missile, one laser shot costs only 59 cents"

[spring briar]

it would definitely destroy those sensors
even radar components

the issue is to get that laser right on that exact spot

[manic latch]

Say
How to you make a laser thicker

[spiral cedar]

What about dual seekers

[spring briar]

so I suppose finding a way to quickly make it cover a relatively large area by having it pulse would be beneficial

[chilly osprey]

Dual seekers would be harder to dazzle, which is part of their advantage

[spiral cedar]

are there triple seekers

[spring briar]

hence we need the [high intensity grid pulse]

[chilly osprey]

I don't believe so

[spring briar]

have them put more and more seekers on to the point that it becomes untenable

[chilly osprey]

Usually you get a combo of radar homing and either IIR or E/O

[spiral cedar]

Final stage, human pilot

[chilly osprey]

In some cases you can do either, depending on customer preference

[spring briar]

thinking about it, in the far future tanks and ships will be a hazard to look at in any sort of way

basically they become a memetic hazard

because if they detect you
they will just fry your eyeballs

sensors

radars

etc

[chilly osprey]

Ex, in the case of Teseo EVO, you have a Ku-band AESA radar seeker, and then an E/O seeker with a semi-active laser, but you can replace the E/O + SAL system with an IIR seeker

[strong plank]

me trying to see the army's cool new tank without burning my retinas

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-pooping-mad-kitten-gif-26396234

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/ラミエル-第六の使徒-evangelion-gif-26478508

^future warfare

[manic latch]

Me when rest of the Project 24 variants becomes Public

[strong plank]

I mean DARPA already developed the voice of god

[spring briar]

like can you imagine taking out your phone to try and take a picture of the new tank but it doesn't show up on the screen

[strong plank]

oh man that reminds me

[spring briar]

like the phone simply can't transfer the signal of the corresponding photons

[strong plank]

so when I went on Zumwalt the ship's captain was like

[manic latch]

Dreamers: Invisible tanks, flying tanks

Irl: Muh super tech budget for lighter tracks and uhh better thermal control

[tough quail]

we have used three hundred billion dollars to

checks notes

put cold air into the exhaust gas to make it show up less

[spring briar]

wasn't that the alsace's?

or richie

[tough quail]

is that a thing they did

[spring briar]

richie pumped cold air to mix with the exhaust

[strong plank]

captain: "oh did you leave your phone at the dock?"
me: "shoot I forgot, don't worry I didn't take any pictures"
captain: "it's fine, it's just that the computers sometimes like to attack new devices"

[spring briar]

reducing the thermal glare on the optics

[strong plank]

I don't know if he was just fucking with me though

[manic latch]

Upload Shrek movies on Zumwalt

[humble mulch]

Bro I got told that too when I visited her

[tough quail]

huh

[humble mulch]

[tough quail]

then yes

[humble mulch]

Scared me into Turning it off

[manic latch]

Maybe that's the point tho

Cool way of saying don't take any pics

[humble mulch]

Yeah probably

[strong plank]

opens phone afterwards
browsing history is gone

[humble mulch]

[spiral cedar]

Now you can die without regrets

[strong plank]

your porn is now property of the US Navy

[tough quail]

zumwalt detects that tiny upload of morbius and starts firing missiles

[chilly osprey]

Zumie's a bro?

[manic latch]

Zumie when my Soyuz file

[spiral cedar]

Zummers

[strong plank]

Zumwalt's captain was a cool guy

[spiral cedar]

That’s how the Navy recruits people. Holds your photo albums hostage

Like Press Gangs but for the 21st century

[strong plank]

was enthusiastic about the idea of using her as a testbed for DE and stuff since she had the spare energy to run it

[spring briar]

zumwalt and FTI be like
🚄

[ivory ridge]

FTI wizard hat

bottom text

[manic latch]

CV90120-T Ghost My beloved

[spring briar]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/c3R1LYvVaU7hLqTeW1flCJTQRCHS3pMSPdca3Hsfa5U/%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3D900x900/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg_Q7XHXwAI1SBN

[ivory ridge]

would thermo camouflage yourself as a civilian car like this thing did be a warcrime

[manic latch]

I mean

Zumwalt looks like a fishing boat

On radar that is

So this thing looks like a civ car on IR

Hmm

[strong plank]

zumwalt looks like she's about the size of a fishing boat on radar

[manic latch]

I think warcrime has to be eye sight deception

Electronic deceptions are fine

[strong plank]

I think if it were like

[manic latch]

Whole concept of stealth etc

[strong plank]

they were actively disguised to look like one

[manic latch]

Say. Is it a warcime if a B-52 tried to look like a passenger plane

I think it is

Or is it

[strong plank]

why would the air force ever do that

[manic latch]

remembers air carrier projects of boeing

Man good thing that concept died

[strong plank]

they can literally just

weaponize a 747

much easier to do

[manic latch]

That's the problem tho

[strong plank]

hell they've even got a plan to stuff C-17s full of cruise missiles

[manic latch]

Is that a warcrime since you use civilian vehicle deception which risks all other passenger planes

Given enemy doesn't know if it's a armed 747 or not

But it's not a war crime if a Bomber gives a 747 signature on radar?

Yeah it's a confusing topic for me

[tough quail]

if it gets spicy enough that they'd need to weaponize a 747

warcrimes are more a suggestion at that point

[strong plank]

I’d imagine those plans were shelved after the Korean Air Incident

[manic latch]

Since for me Zumwalt logic goes like this

Radar makes her look like a fishing boat
She gets close enough to target easily because of that then destroys it

Enemy now knows Zumwalt does look like a fishing boat

Will enemy now fire at every fishing boat looking beings on radar given it could be Zumwalt? Doesn't she risked lives of civilians because of that?

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

Ok and

[chilly osprey]

It's not so much that she specifically looks like a fishing boat, but rather that it reduces the distance she can be detected, and targeted. This is true of all 'stealth' assets.

It's about reducing detectable range, rather than just being an on/off of what you look like

[frigid karma]

Are you saying we should ban warship stealth tech

[chilly osprey]

For ships, this is a way to reduce the distance at which radar will detect them

Likewise it also reduces the performance of radar seekers on anti-ship missiles

[manic latch]

I'm wondering if the new DDX will have stealth level of Zum

[strong plank]

Probably not

[manic latch]

They didn't used her hull design this time. I wonder if it was problematic

[strong plank]

Zumwalt was an answer to the question “how do we make a naval fire support platform like a battleship, but it doesn’t have to be big and bulky and armored like one”

[manic latch]

While I get the 2 155mms

Why not go for cheaper platforms for it

Like a modified Burke for 2 155mm or even more

[chilly osprey]

Because the 155mm were a requirement that the navy didn't really want, but they were told they had to stick it on their next DDG

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

At the time the plan was that Burke production would stop outright in favor of the Zumwalt

Though this was of course reversed once it became clear air defense capacity was what was needed in the future

Otherwise, from the start the Zumwalt was very much a Sprucan replacement in the sense of 'throw Tomahawk and VL-ASROC, with some air defense capability'

As far as the hull form goes

It's not really clear it makes so much sense to invest so heavily in steath, and that tumblehome hull form gets you less volume above the waterline, which isn't really ideal for fitting a ship out with all the equipment a DDG that has to focus on AAW needs.

You want more hull volume to work with on your upper decks, not less

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

So while Zumwalt will inform a lot of what goes into DDG(X), the exact hull form isn't likely to be copied

[maiden citrus]

"all the officers were in rage 24/7" I mean that does sound like unde

[delicate beacon]

Thats just how Italian language works

Nice seasonal pfp btw

[night heart]

Hello

[delicate beacon]

Hello!

[night heart]

I dont like ww2 germany anymore

[maiden citrus]

thankies

[delicate beacon]

Good.

[jagged monolith]

I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp

Which is easier to see, Gigantic Floating Fortress or Tiny Fishing Ferry? Smaller things are obviously more difficult to see with my eyes.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smCxM0HcIOg

[ivory ridge]

the sex

[spring briar]

Bretagne

[subtle prawn]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/11/naval-group-floats-first-new-fdi-frigate-for-the-french-navy/

[zealous vine]

does anyone mind finding me an image of Enterprise's 1945 AA composition

[strong plank]

people reacting to the Pan American line

Bro’s really gonna say Kuznetsov is better than the entire USN?

[frigid karma]

this is satire

[strong plank]

Also damn do I not understand WG’s logic

“Here’s some hybrid BBVs that G&C drew up for the Soviet Union….make ‘em American”

“Here are some rejected Worcester designs….Pan American it is!”

[desert agate]

what the hell happened here

[desert agate]

when HMAS Anzac fucked some shit up? fuck yeah I am

first time the RAN had fired in anger since Vietnam

[strong plank]

yeah

my dad was the Intelligence Plans Officer for the SEAL part of that operation

[desert agate]

damn nice

[frigid karma]

you are getting it backwards

They first decided on throwing pan america something

[desert agate]

i wonder if theres any footage of that out there

[frigid karma]

then instead of giving the community satisfaction by using fully planned community lines

[strong plank]

all I’ve found is some pictures

[frigid karma]

with literally 80% of the work done

they yank wooster designs out their ass

[desert agate]

someones having a bad day

Minesweeping in the Gulf

[strong plank]

SEALs on the GOPLATs

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/lqy99021608/status/1589655078553911296

lqy🇨🇳 (@lqy99021608)

VN20重型步战车和人对比

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[manic latch]

Sorry for ping Regal but that actually makes sense

I %90 believe US would actually confiscated such gigantic warship if war was close to being broke out in Pacific or so

British did that for Agincourt when she was for Ottomans

We already had such other examples by Napoli and Marco Polo, who were else designs made for Soviets but Italian tree

[manic latch]

Dalian Shipyard's new batch of 052D destroyers has begun to install radar, and the H/LJQ-364 radar on the top of the main mast has been replaced with a double-sided AESA.

[zealous vine]

Why do most british turrets have no bloomers?

(With the exception of those armed with the BL 15" gun, and others)

[manic latch]

No blast bags

Always bugged me too

Turrets look uglier without them

[alpine onyx]

Blast bags tended to die in stormy weather

Which was inconvenient since those bags helped reduce water ingress into the turret in stormy weather

I guess they just accepted that the bags won't hold, and tried to waterproof them via other means (or just brute force via drainage)

[eternal veldt]

Don't think they exactly accepted them, because the British actually fielded them later in the 6" mounts.

Swiftsure and Superb, post-war.

Brute force is my guess, since many mounts had blast bags, like the 102mm guns.

[junior trench]

probably thought they could get away without them

then got wet

[eternal veldt]

The real mystery now is what the policy the 5"/38 blast bag is

[junior trench]

[eternal veldt]

Either captain's discretion, or maintenance - because some come with funny setups (and rings), others without them entirely

I'd be intrigued if Ryan on NJ knows, since NJ on the last photo is one of those with the funky blast bags.

[manic latch]

General Dynamics OTS is developing a new 30x173mm XM1170 APFSDS with a DU penetrator for enhanced penetration performance. The XM1170 designed specifically for the Stryker MCWS and OMFV (XM813-armed variant), is the replacement of current fielded Mk250 produced by Nammo.

[zealous vine]

I see.. thanks yall

[manic latch]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/all-the-air-combat-developments-out-of-chinas-massive-air-show

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1589998023672999939

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1939, Al Capone's lawyer "Easy Eddie" O'Hare was gunned down. He had been an informant for the IRS and a key figure in Scarface's conviction for tax evasion. His son, Butch O'Hare, became a Navy fighter ace during WWII and is the namesake of Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

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[alpine onyx]

owo

[desert agate]

Den Helder im guessing

[delicate beacon]

I think it was De Schelde

[desert agate]

incredibly Dutch thing to do to put a drydock in the middle of a paddock ngl

[manic latch]

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/11/0429a9669257-japan-to-downsize-2-planned-aegis-destroyers-to-increase-mobility.html

The government originally planned to build destroyers with a standard displacement of about 20,000 tons, almost the same as the Maritime Self-Defense Force's largest ship, the carrier Izumo. But now they will be scaled down to nearly on par with the 8,200-ton Maya, the nation's biggest Aegis-equipped vessel, the sources said.

Damnit

[jagged monolith]

lmfao

[ivory ridge]

I mean the original plan was like

"Hey we have all of these radar panels that we wantes to put on the ground available, why not big bote"

And that was the extent of it

Nothing really planned out

[shrewd pecan]

probably just gonna end up being a Sejong the great equivalent

it’s not really like you need more than 122 VLS cells to deal with a North Korea ballistic threat

[tough quail]

but needless overkill is fuuuuuun

[strong plank]

The first island chain shall not be broken

[spiral cedar]

why does this need 187 replies

[ivory ridge]

[chilly osprey]

Is this our replacement for Quora?

[spiral cedar]

It seems better than Quora thus far

But that is, of course, a subterranean bar

Found someone citing David Irving

[chilly osprey]

[spiral cedar]

Italian and German Navy commanders didn't understand the importance of carriers. They trusted in battleships.
Substantially they thought that battleships were going to work on the sea like tanks on the ground.

[chilly osprey]

...

what the fuck does that second sentance even mean

[spiral cedar]

no idea

there is no further elaboration

Same person

[chilly osprey]

Sometimes I genuinely wonder how these kinds of people function in real life

With so few braincells

[frigid karma]

the nazis existed, you know

[frigid karma]

the third one

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594737801333964816/1038898101064302603/The_Colt_WeaponTM.mp4

[shadow frost]

Was Yamato’s cannon in pieces while being transported by Kashino, or was it functional, making Kashino temporarily the most powerful munitions ship in the world?

[tough quail]

the former, you'd need to essentially build the gun into the ship as a whole to fire it

[strong plank]

For it to be functional she’d have needed the whole barbette assembly

[desert agate]

The gun itself is a single piece of a number of parts which make up the turret
The turret itself is constructed and then the gun is lowered into the turret, which is mounted on the ships barbette and the ceiling of the turret is then built over the gun

this is a model but it shows how the various parts of the turret were transported by Kashino

This is Dunkerque not Yamato but it shows the process off turret construction

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AL golfing lore

AL golfing lore

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Lizzie already did that

https://twitter.com/chemistrykit/status/1589247410580381697?s=46&t=f2MKFaPrhk9aLF_wQX4yDQ

Dr Kit Chapman (@ChemistryKit)

This week's contest? The Royal Navy's worst (best) named boats. These are all 100% real.

1. We'll begin with the WW2 insect-class gunboat HMS Cockchafer.

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Bruh

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152 mm

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kinda nuts they had to build a entire ship decided to moving Yamy's guns & turrets

curious if anyone else did anything similar

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We had one for ice cream

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an entire ship for my ice cream

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Just a ship?

Entire new dockyards were made just so the Yamatos can fit in.

That's why Shinano's lines parted and she crashed during her launch - it was the first time dock no. 6 was used, and the crew is unfamiliar with the controls.

France would also upgrade their existing dockyard facilities at Brest if the Alsace were to go ahead - but then the mountain dutch arrived

And the US isnt that far behind either in terms of special ships needed - see USS Kearsarge with her massive crane to handle BB guns.

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I was talking more having to create a ship just to support the construction of a single class of ship

tho I suppose Kearsage is sorta that with her crane

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I think needing a ship is less dramatic than... Upgrading your whole arsenal just to accomodate the ships.

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that is fair

I mean she was one of the largest ships of the time and tonnage wise she wasn't really met until the USN pulled out the Forrestals

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Warships can't really compare with the mega chonks that are cruise liners though

Normandie already blows Yamato out of the water at 79k tons, QM and QE 80-83k tons

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I don't really have a reference for merchant tonnage beyond modern day tbh

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Absolute units

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unsurprising

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yeah cruise ships chonmk

my favorite cruise liner was carnival ecstasy, retired this year for being the smallest ship in the fleet

71,000 tons

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I was on her

As a kid

Was my first cruise

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🤝

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Was on Superstar Leo myself. Sold to Norway now, what's her name...?

Ah, the Norwegian Spirit. 75k tons.

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Build em but don't run em!

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Richy-san, what are we going to do on the bed?

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Exploring your burster cavity

And then maybe a ballistic test

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Mutsu, photo taken on the day the ship was visited by PoW Edward VIII and Mountbatten.

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hm now I'm wondering of the AL version of this

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Why does Kii have Eagle Union lvl of AA?

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Like, the AA values is off the chart compare to other Sakura ship.

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Likely Wows inspiration

In wows when Kii was first released, she had the strongest IJN BB AA

Because WG slapped her Aki's 100mm guns and 40mm prototype AAs

Guess Manjuu decided to follow

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Well, that answer it.

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40mms?

Give them back

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That implies they ever got them to work

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The version they reverse engineered and made was also air cooled, compared to the water cooling of everyone else's naval mounts

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I believe they were all captured KNIL 4cms

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfQrG5ZGdMw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6CMRq-ChA0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WHwpIfs5I