history

[alpine onyx]

[frigid karma]

ong tho the best form of naval combat i've ever seen

was bf1942

coral sea

you could attack the enemy CV but also ditch and land on top of it

then make your way into the insides of the enemy CV

so both teams would be shooting the shit out of each other in the air and on the CVs, it was hilarious

[strong plank]

that's some CoD shit

[frigid karma]

well no

it's battlefield

[strong plank]

"you thought kaga exploded due to a rush job leaving bombs and fuel hoses everywhere?"

"no, there were special forces that blew her up"

[frigid karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isaRzjpQW0U&ab_channel=GravityBFTV

i think this explains it pretty well

[strong plank]

shooting down enemy planes with rifles

reminds me of a joke jingles made

[frigid karma]

i mean at the ranges you see in this game?

you have planes like mere tens of meteres above the deck

so an LMG could do decent damage

[strong plank]

"the alaskas, like most latewar US ships, were designed to allow the full crew to exercise their second amendment rights"

or maybe it was DM

it was some high tier USN cruiser

[spiral cedar]

https://youtu.be/eVBL4Ix2AXI

Also has a Tiger I video

The rare short-barreled 76mm Sherman, caused by firing the gun several thousand times without relining

Otherwise though the channel’s other two videos aren’t as bad

[spring briar]

What did I just witness

I think looking straight at a protuberans from the orbit of SOHO is less painful than this

[eternal veldt]

Wow, I missed quite a bit. For the better, I guess.

[rugged jetty]

What the heck...

Those are T55 road wheels with widened T34 track links and the cupola of a Leopard 1

[spring briar]

[rugged jetty]

To give credit where it's due, it does look pretty convinced just like the saving Private Ryan Tiger

[tough quail]

so basically its a way better tiger

[delicate beacon]

That doesn't say much.

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Prof just gave us an assignment that's more or less

"why did the eastern front fail?"

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-funny-cracking-knuckles-getting-ready-greg-miller-gif-14429632

[spiral cedar]

lol

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

Romanians

[strong plank]

also I was made aware of this gem yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9r0zm4surY

[spring briar]

What if

Whitworth SHS

[tough quail]

tfw Romania is probably the reason Barbarossa was successful at all

[cinder escarp]

Here, I can answer this in one image:

[delicate beacon]

🐴

Time to find more info about German 105s and 150s

[humble mulch]

So like realistically speaking Romania helped Germany get as far as they did but was also instrumental for the Russians in operation Uranus and the push into Slovakia and Hungry

[spring briar]

This is wrong. The horse would’ve been eaten and replaced by a pony.

And or belorussians

[humble mulch]

So they kinda are pretty important in terms of what was wrong on the axis side

Anything Romania needed the Germans themselves didn’t even have enough of and just further made the supply issues worse

[tough quail]

hell just the uh

physical entrance of romania alone is vital

[strong plank]

one of my classmates said something like

if the german forces had positioned better Stalingrad could have been won

[humble mulch]

Well

Positioned better or not they still get fucked cause Hitler is alive

Hurr durr hold where you stand

[strong plank]

my response was something like

[humble mulch]

Also maybe if the umm 22nd panzer corps didn’t put hay over there tanks thinks would have gone better for them

[strong plank]

"in broad strokes the eastern front went the way it did because at the outset you had the germans making fewer mistakes than the soviets, but as it goes on you see it flip"

[delicate beacon]

I need more tea to finish this book.

[humble mulch]

That’s a very nice drawing

Goddamn

[tough quail]

the soviets were just better learners and much better motivated

[delicate beacon]

Yeah well, the dude literally went up to a physical model and measured every nut and bolt.

[strong plank]

damn I didn't notice all the smaller details until I clicked on it

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Romanias were motivated to an extent but like supplies, equipment, manpower where

[spring briar]

Soviet snipers

[humble mulch]

I’m sure some of you might not now this, but the Romanian railways were practically taken over by the Germans and due to that and manpower issues the Romanian army literally could not send troops on leave and had men fighting on the front for basically 1-2 years before they got to go home for a month at most and restart the cycle

What id give to see a Romanian band of brothers done that shows this

[spring briar]

Inside of you are two Romanians:

[spiral cedar]

Don’t threaten tea with a good time

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Hetzer bad ending

[spring briar]

Mfs be like

[strong plank]

feel like we skipped a few steps

[spring briar]

I love the ominous 1066

[tough quail]

i love how fucking awful a depiction of modern armor that is too

[manic latch]

A Japanese officer distributes sweets to women and children in a village in occupied China

[spring briar]

Hmmm

[manic latch]

Yeah...

AnyyyywaaY

Smh for you too Rich

US Army Sergeant Paul Myers distributes cans of canned milk to French children in Algiers

[spring briar]

What did I do

[manic latch]

You get canned milk

[spring briar]

Glu glu glu

[frigid karma]

feasibly, what would have needed to happen for france to retain control over indochina?

[ivory ridge]

also like

"europe"

ok cool where

[delicate beacon]

Yes.

[maiden citrus]

🥛

[delicate beacon]

Le tired

[manic latch]

[delicate beacon]

I worked hard on book

[spring briar]

Basically
What lead all other europeans to give up colonial holdings there

Nationalism

From the Han Chinese

[shrewd pecan]

tarkov looking ass

[delicate beacon]

shell

[spring briar]

No

Bullet

[delicate beacon]

No.

Infant shell

It needs to grow

[manic latch]

China will grow larger

[manic latch]

Martinez

[cinder escarp]

What is the possible good ending for one of those?

Hetzers are terrible, even for the crew

[manic latch]

Museum

[cinder escarp]

The Germans produced some real ergonomic tragedies during the war, and the Hetzer is one of the worst

[manic latch]

Would E-25 fix it

Or just make it worse

[cinder escarp]

This model shows the issues well

[manic latch]

[cinder escarp]

The gunner and loader are basically mating each other in the rear left of the hull

The driver is smooshed against the glacis, and the commander is shoved off into the loser's corner in the rear-right of the hull

And yes, the commander's loser corner is right behind the breech

[cinder escarp]

FHCAM has a G-13 (Czech postwar hetzer production) and I've seen it (and heard it) running.

[glass trail]

people who dont know:
people who know: 💀

[cinder escarp]

It was driving alongside a T-34/85, a M4 sherman, and a M60

The Hetzer had no muffler and was by far the loudest tank running

(the T-34 in a very distant second)

That said watching the T-34 take corners or shift gears was really funny - it's like watching a lagging game animation IRL, the whole vehicle shudders and moves in jerks.

[cinder escarp]

E-25 wasn't really scheduled for any production, 38(d) was

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2021/11/the-third-reichs-last-tanks.html

[spring briar]

Paper

[jagged monolith]

Literally the only minor Axis nation worth anything

[ivory ridge]

he's back

[jagged monolith]

Yes

I have become nuttier, more religious, and exponentially more boomer in every way.

[spiral cedar]

hello

[spring briar]

Joseon will rise again

[jagged monolith]

To start things off.

後生可畏, 焉知來者之不如今也? 四十五十而無聞焉, 斯亦不足畏也已矣.
The Analects.
The young are rightly to be feared. Who can say whether they will follow us [or go beyond]? If their names are not known onto their 40th year, that is not to be feared.
I hope I translated that right.

[frigid karma]

You did ping him, didn’t you?

[spiral cedar]

Yes

As I always do for my IZ calcs

[jagged monolith]

you saw me all the time on AKCS

[ivory ridge]

yes i know

but i meant here

[jagged monolith]

You should come to WOWS server

It's fun

We have Korv

[ivory ridge]

im in it but i just never go there

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

not the official one riche

he's talking about the reddit one

[jagged monolith]

Yes, come more often, we have Korv.

[spiral cedar]

What’s a korv

[jagged monolith]

He is everything I am not.

So a jaded Zoomer.

[frigid karma]

I just stick to rei’s server

It’s got ai pics

[cinder escarp]

we're all korv over there

[ivory ridge]

[cinder escarp]

The history club channel is basically the most active thing over there

[jagged monolith]

politics

I am the Antikorv.

[tough quail]

that and the car chat on sunday

[tribal mortar]

Please explain

[ivory ridge]

HE australian Minotaur
Gearing with austin guns
8 guns 15 torps yueyang

That's it

[tribal mortar]

Thank you

[maiden citrus]

kunming looks cool

I like joshua too but like, kunming looks like something I'd make

[ivory ridge]

Italian supership waiting room

2027 here i come

[humble mulch]

Brisbane looks cool imo, Joshua bothers me cause micky mouse guns and the taper of the deck, and kunming is what I like making in UAD lol

[frigid karma]

how dare you call the micky mouse guns

and not cat ears

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004098356391456769/1006093649345523763/happy_554_dual.gif

[humble mulch]

Oh it's cat ears that's much cuter

[frigid karma]

indeed

ok so irl

these guns had a 1.5s reload time

which is what sherman has

[humble mulch]

I couldn't tell with my phone zoom in

[frigid karma]

but these guns on josh have a 3 second time

and austin, 8

they're functionally identical in dpm to gearing

6 guns, 3s reload

it has the spicy ballisitics, fire chance, and f key gimmick

to compensate for the tier jump

[humble mulch]

Game balance be wild

[frigid karma]

it really do be

[humble mulch]

What gun even is that

[frigid karma]

brisbane looks wise is identical to mino

[frigid karma]

5"/54 mk 42

[humble mulch]

Ah fancy

[frigid karma]

the twin gun version is fake though

[humble mulch]

Figured it would be

[spiral cedar]

The Japanese consistently overestimated the numbers of their foe. Imperial General Headquarters and Combined Fleet decided that four enemy carriers fought the battle and that all four sank, along with two battleships. That put the total carriers sunk since the outbreak of the war as eleven, with four others damaged. (Obviously the Americans must have had a lot of carriers.)

In his diary Rear Admiral Ugaki explained why the Japanese thought they sank the same carriers so many times:
The enemy builds and christens second and third generations of carriers, as many as we destroy. No wonder they do not need to change the names and numbers, but at present most of them are certain to be missing numbers.

[tribal mortar]

Cool we got a history chat too

[spiral cedar]

Indeed

[frigid karma]

but i can't find it

[thorny jewel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Wyvern

[tough quail]

my beloved

[cinder escarp]

Should have had the proper engine

[desert agate]

Gannet my beloved

[frigid karma]

was there a discussion on this server about the comparatively better treatment of british men by their generals compared to other nations in wwi?

i'm pretty sure there was, but discord search is being not helpful at all

am i fucking schizophrenic it has to be here somewhere

iirc it centered around how the british army generally treated its men better and so didn't have the french/german mutinies of 1917 and 18, respectively

[desert agate]

The reason why the British and Commonwealth armies didn't suffer a major mutiny (with the exception of etaples) was because they routinely rotated front line troops and didn't keep them on the front line for extended periods of time like the other major armies did

[spring briar]

This was actually designed

[frigid karma]

ok but i remember there was a source brought up

i wanted that source

i'm in an argument with someone

[lapis wraith]

Someone know what gun the soldier is rasing ? Its an photo from the Yom Kipur war

[lapis wraith]

I'm sure someone had this idea of tank in history, if the Tsar tank was made why not this ?

[dapper parcel]

m/45

[rugged jetty]

Swedish Carl Gustav M/45

[lapis wraith]

Thanks

[manic latch]

LETSA FUCKING GOOOOIO

[manic latch]

Blue means launched as it says in corner

Cleveland name for LCS class

[next bone]

Enterprise making its return

[solid mango]

Asked this question on 2 diff. Servers, got no proper response in the first, and an arguement started in the 2nd about which measurement unit is superior, so instead of asking what measurement unit this is in im just gonna ask what does this mean
(Plus full image 4 context)

[eternal veldt]

inch?

[humble mulch]

I think it's in inches

[eternal veldt]

the 298 is the whole mount's length

[humble mulch]

Comes out to around 24 feet which seems reasonable

[solid mango]

Holy shit, thanks

Well shit I failed

[thorny scarab]

It do be in inches

[dapper parcel]

" (technically ″ but eh) denotes inch, seconds, or arcseconds
' (technically ′) denotes feet, minutes or arcminutes

On another note, I usually see them written as 298.5″ or 24′10.5″ but never 298.″5 huh?

[solid mango]

Same, thats the thing that made me confused

[dapper parcel]

tfw twin city get conjoined name

[manic latch]

By mid-2023, three teams will be selected to build prototypes for the high-tech OMFV to replace the M2 Bradley.
Point Blank Enterprises OMFV proposal

[unborn wyvern]

New New Jersey

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586627596884901898/1038146782993055805/unknown.png

[delicate beacon]

botes

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cufhEhe2LQ

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSuRW5ttfhE

[manic latch]

Ah, Katorga V2

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1588656264795807745

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In 1945, a kamikaze smashed through the flight deck of USS Randolph. The crew worked furiously to repair the carrier as sea, returning her to operational status in less than three weeks. Two years after the war, the deck was being used for high school track meets. #FunFactFriday

Twitter · Nov 4, 2022, 10:15 PM

[manic latch]

Main caliber - 4 × 135 mm,

Universal caliber - 12 × 90 mm,

Anti-aircraft artillery - 8 × 37 mm,

Anti-aircraft artillery - 16 × 20 mm.

Mine and torpedo armament - 4 torpedo tubes with a caliber of 533 mm

Aviation group - 2 x CANT 25 or IMAM Ro.43

[manic latch]

"Air defense cruiser for the Italian Navy or how best to upgrade Alberto di Giussano"

[ivory ridge]

yes it's just this but in shipbucket

the third one that still has some anti surface weaponry with the 135s

tho the shipbucket thing seems to use twin mounts for the 90mm

which is not supposed to

[desert agate]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-story-of-the-kc-135-stratotanker-that-lowered-its-landing-gear-and-idled-its-engines-to-slow-down-enough-to-tow-an-f-4-phantom-ii-experiencing-mechanical-issues-over-the-atlantic/

[somber knoll]

my current complaint is how old capital ship names are now used as subs.

Sub Warspite is quite dank

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-spiderman-far-from-home-everywhere-i-go-i-see-his-face-i-see-his-face-everywhere-i-go-gif-22706003

[spring briar]

@spiral cedar

[delicate beacon]

Science

[spring briar]

I found a book from 1863

all kinds of cool projectile tests

[dim brook]

Why we don't have super etendard in azur lane

I mean an Exocet had sunk Sheffield (but not the sheffield we have in game)

[delicate beacon]

.............

[spring briar]

that might be a bit too new

just a tad

[jagged monolith]

Weebs

[dim brook]

Still cool

[eternal veldt]

What next, RCGS Resolute because she sank a Venezuelan PT?

[desert agate]

oh shit hes back

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YJtVqxTSn4

[spring briar]

Originally introduced by the French in 1912, when Krupp accused the French of "cheating" in a comparative armor trial that the French won that year by using a small amount of Molybdenum in their Chromium-Nickel-Steel armor!

@delicate beacon

CHEATER

[delicate beacon]

[dapper parcel]

why it even matter that they cheat anyway

or rather, """cheat"""

[spring briar]

this is how france competes with its tiny drydocks

just make everything else great

so they can't pen you

[delicate beacon]

What does Friedman mean with radar tubes in consoles

[dapper parcel]

Tube as in cathode ray tube?
I don't think he meant thermionic tube

[unborn wyvern]

Sitting on a beautiful beach, in gorgeous weather talking about next generation main battle tanks

Amazing

[chilly flower]

Man that makes about
6 (7 if you include the SM.91, disregarding cockpit position) different Italian projects involving twin-fuselage aircraft with almost the exact same basic layout
Those being the SM.92, G.58, C.205 and Re.2005 Bifusoliera, Ca.380 (aircraft featured in the photos), and the earlier Bestetti-Nardi BN.1

SM.92

G.58 (via its Ali d'Italia entry)

Re.2005 Bifusoliera (also via Ali d'Italia)

C.205 Bifusoliera (It should be in Ali d'Italia but I don't have the pdf for it on this PC, so here's an image off a thread)

and the BN.1

[spring briar]

Thats pretty

If it were a single plane

[frigid karma]

Pan America got a CL line wtf

Tier 8 and 9 are wooster variants

[ivory ridge]

that uh

makes most of the lines released before pr6 not available for pr6

between pan euro DDs and Pan american CLs

kekw

[frigid karma]

Brazilian Pr let’s go

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Shall I ping Enzo

[ivory ridge]

So for PR6 we have
IJN CLs -> Soviet Subs -> British Subs -> American BBVs -> Pan American CLs -> Pan Euro DD second line

[humble mulch]

I kinda like this

[ivory ridge]

and timing wise

it's just this

any line after this will be after pr6

so i can cope about my previous prediction being true

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/388

[frigid karma]

Oh wow it’s pretty diverse

Colombia Brazil Chile Argentina Mexico

[spring briar]

They stole Navarra from Spain

So I guess we’ll get Veinticinco de Mayo as a premium?

[cinder escarp]

Ah Krupp and their refusal to change anything ever (and then coping when other people do change)

[cinder escarp]

Presumably CRTs for the radar display.

[rapid junco]

With only one Brazilian though

There's more Argentines in it

Like
What about Bahia and Tamandaré (ex-St.Louis)?

[rapid junco]

You did good on not pinging me

I'm actually disappointed

[subtle prawn]

The 100th is a racially segregated unit formed mainly of Japanese-Americans, or Nisei, who were discharged from the Hawaii National Guard after Pearl Harbor in December 1941.

The discharged men were keen to demonstrate their loyalty. In a petition to the military governor of Hawaii, they wrote:

"Hawaii is our home; the United States our country. We know but one loyalty and that is to the Stars and Stripes. We wish to do our part as loyal Americans in every way possible and we hereby offer ourselves for whatever service you may see fit..."

Eventually, the military agrees and about 1,400 Nisei men are shipped to the mainland for training in June 1942 as the 100th Infantry Battalion. The men call themselves “One Puka Puka.” The word “puka” is Hawaiian for “hole”, referring to the two zeroes.

After training in Wisconsin, Mississippi, and Louisiana they receive their battalion colours and motto in July 1943. They select “Remember Pearl Harbor” as their words.

The 100th arrive in Italy at the end of September. This morning, they are ordered to cross the River Volturno at Ciorlano. After a midnight artillery barrage, the men step off.

By about 04:00 B Company is a crossing river. 30 men are killed as they are hit by enemy and friendly artillery. When they reach the other side, seven more are lost to German mines.

As B Company advances towards its objective, one of the platoons comes under heavy machine gun fire. The platoon commander, a popular Korean-American named Lieutenant Kim leads from the front. He falls to the ground and disappears as he crosses a wall.

An enraged Staff Sergeant named Ozaki shouts “Fix Bayonets”. The platoon fixes their bayonets, lets out a mighty war cry and advances. They find Kim wounded on the other side of the wall. He supports them by throwing grenades. The men overrun the German guns and are soon escorting prisoners to the rear. By dawn, the 100th has taken all of its initial objectives.

Picture: Troops of the 100th Infantry Battalion during training, 1943.
Source: US Army Center of Military History.```

[delicate beacon]

I haven't heard a single positive voice for this line.

[maiden citrus]

god bless

[rapid junco]

They didn't added Almirante Grau

[frigid karma]

ermahgerd sang

did you trip

[delicate beacon]

I got tilted.

Seems like the Dutch line is no longer the biggest travesty to history in World of Warships

[spring briar]

It never was

[frigid karma]

the IJN CL line was a bigger travesty

the IJA would sooner build a nuke and drop it on themselves than give a gun to the navy

[cinder escarp]

They liked giving bullets to the navy though

at muzzle velocity that is

[frigid karma]

the reason why the guns take 15 seconds to reload is because the loaders have to fight their way into the turret past the IJA guards to load the shells

[delicate beacon]

I will Gouden Leeuw Strasbourg

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347906690785607681/1038608489066537062/image0.jpg

[rapid junco]

Your pfp remembers me of the flag of the army of the Andes

[rapid junco]

[frigid karma]

sold em all those woosters to guarantee banana republic safety against the commies

[unborn wyvern]

🎵 They all went to South Americo, Buenas dias, got to go 🎵

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3f8GHRptKA

[cinder escarp]

lazerpig

And there's not that much wrong with tiger other than it being overly complex and German industry being unable to produce a sufficient engine or practical transmission.

(Tiger II and Panther is where Germany starts going off the rails really)

[ivory ridge]

how dare people enjoy overreacting humorous content

preposterous

[cinder escarp]

LP gets a lot of stuff simply wrong

It's not him overreacting that is the issue

[maiden citrus]

rich

[halcyon coyote]

That's more or less what he says in the video

[cinder escarp]

(Although to really digress, German industry was capable of both and an engine even existed by the time Tigor went off to battle in the form of MB507... but there were internal political hangups with those)

[fierce sparrow]

Historians know better -LP
well... mostly Piggie

Starring at Zaloga's mistakes and bold statements about the Panther tank as a "first" MBT

[unborn wyvern]

On the one hand it's inaccurate on the other his BAC is always above the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle in his videos so ya know

[frigid karma]

and the plagiarism

that's much harder to excuse, since it's intentional

[tough quail]

its not really that outrageous a claim though i dont really agree with it

a panther is very much a shitty centurion in broad strokes

[cinder escarp]

Nah, Centurion is just a British panther

[tough quail]

well yes

but also not as shitty

(i know the point you're making dw(

[fierce sparrow]

I do remember some folks think mk5 to the later variants is the "Centurion" started later years in ww2

As if, did you guys see a Centurion with a 17 pounder and a weird MG on a turret?

[cinder escarp]

Real centurions have 20mms

[unborn wyvern]

BRING BACK THE COMMANDER AUTOCANNON

Why didn't they keep it after the MBT-70 died?

[tough quail]

money

the base m1 involves r i g o r o u s corner cutting

[ivory ridge]

the next gen™️ tanks seem to go for a 30mm top mount so who knows

[unborn wyvern]

Good for schwacking drones of both air and ground flavor

[tough quail]

it's probably gonna become a very standard thing for tanks

[fierce sparrow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgvVCRcXkAEUIzz?format=jpg&name=orig

[strong plank]

Those are to kill barrier troops so the crew can retreat

[frigid karma]

Suppress domestic dissidents during invasion

[jagged monolith]

Hatch where

[strong plank]

Surprised nobody’s talking about the uh

[ivory ridge]

duck

[fierce sparrow]

oh! that...

[tribal mortar]

Straight outta AC3

[fierce sparrow]

I swear I almost lost my mind with that in a comical fashion

[strong plank]

Instead of a search radar, it uses its powerful nose to sniff out enemies

[past laurel]

https://youtu.be/OEqdWGA1cE8

[supple marsh]

💀

[past laurel]

A couple of them are hella cute

[fierce sparrow]

[dapper parcel]

Maus flamethrower vibe

wait, the arm can swing out right?

[cinder escarp]

Things Tiger designers fear

[thorny jewel]

the Blackburn Firebrand looks similar to Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate

[desert agate]

i mean

maybe if you squint

[cinder escarp]

They're 1940s radial engine, straight wing planes made from a similar technology base.

They all look fairly similar (FW190, P-47, XF8B, F6F...)

Sure you get some real outliers like the F4U series, but there's always special reason for those

[desert agate]

at a glance yeah but the moment you dig into them with more detail

things fall apart a little

wings tailplane and fuselage are completely different shapes

and if you saw them in person theyd be completely different sizes

[desert agate]

that doesnt look like an abrams interior

which leaves me asking

who is using a 120mmish gun without an autoloader?

China?

[manic latch]

Merkava?

[cinder escarp]

It's a Merky merk

could never really tell if a III or IV from the angle

But it's a merk, Brooms has a more awkward loading cycle

https://youtu.be/sC2ePKRvo9k

Here's a 'brooms

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Reload Slave
Reload slave

At least they are planning autoloader for future

[cinder escarp]

He's going real slow, as qualification time is 7 seconds, but it shows the awkward motion

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US having difficulties on recruitment right

So autoloader making crew 3 guy can help that too

Since it's 1 extra tank crew for every 3 by passing to 3 from 4

[cinder escarp]

https://youtu.be/eETvj6bIpuA?t=115

Here's a guy (timestamped) loading in full MOPP gear at combat pace

[cinder escarp]

K1s do as well, and there are some funny pics of boot recruits struggling to cope with the 120mm

Meanwhile: literal Gunnery Sergeant Major be like:

[hushed saffron]

That's... impressive.

[manic latch]

Meanwhile this babe

Aw ye baby

2D thrust vectoring

[spring briar]

wow can it be any slower?

defo a prototype

my lord

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Cmon Rich its a concept

[spring briar]

a slow ass concept

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Wonder for what plane tho

[spring briar]

lego makes motors with more torque than that

[cinder escarp]

Thrust vectoring really doesn't need to be fast, you don't snap vector

[spring briar]

shush I'm just messing with krem

also yes, that tank is a Merkava

not sure if the israeli have women tank operators but it could be possible when they have women in the armed forces?

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[cinder escarp]

It's interesting because of the way IDF structures their units - while they have women in the armed forces, they don't mix men and women in the same (combat at least, don't know about training) units.

[spring briar]

mhm

they have women battalions

[manic latch]

Wing Loong 3 is just blessed tho ngl. It's a very sexy drone. And also carrying PL-10 missile here

[spring briar]

is it me or is the m113 a box

[nimble willow]

A tracked box that was somehow quite remarkable for an APC.

[manic latch]

Remarkable?

[cinder escarp]

The M113 is the result of several generations of "box on tracks" the US DoD developed

I still think the first gen was the coolest

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Wait m113 can't stop 50 cals right

[cinder escarp]

M113 is mostly .50cal proof, frontally

M44 is the granddaddy of all US boxen on tracks

That is a modified M18 Hellcat chassis, with a giant metal box on top to hold 2x 12-man squads

It is really quite vast

[nimble willow]

Damn, big.

[cinder escarp]

It died because the army realized that maybe fitting 24 men in one vehicle wasn't a great idea, it's nice in terms of "not needing to buy many" but it also causes its own issues

[manic latch]

Too many eggs in one basket ye

[cinder escarp]

In order to make it fit, the radial is on its side with transmission directly under it

So instead they went back to square one, and developed a new APC, which eventually became M75

[nimble willow]

Americans really loved boxes.

[cinder escarp]

Very good, very popular vehicle. Held 12 men, was on an M41 chassis, was very mobile, and quite well protected. (It is, in fact - entirely .50 cal proof - up to 50mm of protection frontally, and it's all-steel)

Downside of this nice, 'we like it in every way' APC? Cost a lot. -$72,000 each in the early 50s

This was similar to the full-up M41 itself

(And also about $800k each today)

[nimble willow]

Cost always gets in the way I suppose. M113 couldn't hold against .50 cals with their aluminium armor, right?

[cinder escarp]

On the sides, not at all

The front, unless they are firing very fancy AP ammo sure

Thing is, there is an often forgotten about (for good reason) intermediate between the "beloved but costly" M75 and the polarizing M113s (users both love and hate the '113)

6300 of these crappy M59s were made, with the order to be cheap

[nimble willow]

Oh those.

[cinder escarp]

Unreliable, hilariously underpowered (two off the shelf truck engines, SU-76 style), uncomfortable to be in, and hideously vulnerable.

They went to Vietnam and were one of the most despised machines around, up there with the M114

The US has had a very mixed track record in APC/IFVs. M44 DOA, M75 good but cut short for cost, M59 built in okay numbers but blessedly cut short as it was trash, M113 decent and will literally never go away, a whole mess of MICV programs that all were DOA, Bradley which is basically the second M113 (alright and literally never going away), and a whole mess of post-bradley programs that have all been DOA.

[manic latch]

Still weird US makes budget cuts despite such military budget

[strong plank]

Ah yeah the battletaxi era

[cinder escarp]

The M113 is just never going to go away, it's a cheap, simple and "good enough" aluminum box on treads.

[strong plank]

The M113’s role kinda died though, at least in US doctrine

pentagon went “well wait, let’s do what the Soviets are doing”

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[cinder escarp]

And in fact, the M113's authorized replacement for non-combatant roles is... bum-bum-bum... a Bradley (with turret removed)

[strong plank]

“Why should the vehicle carrying the men have to avoid combat once the fighting starts?”

“What if it could stay around and support them?”

[manic latch]

Oh Goawd Humwees

[strong plank]

bada bing bada boom, one butthurt Burton later, the Bradley is born

[cinder escarp]

MICV-70 at one point had a requirement to survive buttoned-up in the IFV for 24hrs

XM-701 built to that proposal had uh, well, a built-in ration heater, BV, and... field toilet.

[manic latch]

That tower is chad af

[strong plank]

mf about to submerge

[cinder escarp]

XM-701 was rejected purely on size/weight grounds, in particular it was too wide for the C-141 (a requirement that would haunt the DoD for a long time)

Why is bradley relatively tall & narrow by IFV standards? It has to fit in C-141, where width is the critical factor.

[manic latch]

The thing at background. Is that M113 with Zsu-23 guns?

[cinder escarp]

(In fact, it is the official reason Marder was rejected during the '70s as a US IFV - it's just slightly too wide to fit)

[strong plank]

Burton watching the IFV he incessantly bitched about kill T-72s in the Gulf War

[cinder escarp]

Burton is a pathological liar

Even if he had a few okay points

[strong plank]

damn low battery

goodbye chat

[desert agate]

it is not

M113 can only resist 7.62 unclear if AP or ball tho

[cinder escarp]

mostly - it's not against fancy AP. But you won't be getting through the front with ball.

38mm aluminum @ 45 deg

[desert agate]

yeah a 50 cal would punch right through

maybe at extended range it would resist frontally

[cinder escarp]

That's about 54mm of aluminum LoS - plugging in the T/E of 0.6... it's about 32mm of RHA equivalent LoS

M20 API-T will not penetrate that at 0m

(Fancy super hard tool steel or tungsten subcaliber will go through, but regular ball and AP won't)

The flat parts are all insta-dead though

[desert agate]

yea true

regardless M113s are not particularly well protected

[jagged monolith]

1408, July 18th, Julian Calendar.

As the illness was critical, the King hastily made his way to Changdeok Palace, and offered to the King Emeritus Cheongsimhwan {traditional medicine}, but he could not swallow, looked up at his son, and passed away. The King beat his chest and shook and wailed in agony and the noise of it was heard all round.
Bittersweet deaths of old men who die after long years of war to no purpose is an odd vibe, but it works somehow.

[manic latch]

"Old soldiers never die, they just fade away"

https://youtu.be/uyDldGPTDNQ

[fierce sparrow]

thats one ugly looking HUMVEE...

[delicate beacon]

You're quite brave showing up with that thumbnail.

[chilly osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/ymv0hu/1280x950_the_french_destroyer_le_fantasque_seen/

@spring briar

[delicate beacon]

@fervent wyvern

[fervent wyvern]

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

[manic latch]

Another concept model for Chinese 6th gen

[rugged jetty]

Looks cool and all but the price of these will be concerning

There will eventually come a point when these planes are wayy too expensive to produce in quantity

[fierce sparrow]

. . .

[manic latch]

Nah he has a point

[humble mulch]

Looks like it’s from ace combat

[rugged jetty]

Its been a weird theme with Chinese concept aircraft looking like stuff out of ace combat

[manic latch]

I dont think US will build more than 300 Sixth Gen for now

But in like 50 years? Dunno

7th gen etc

[desert agate]

looks at F-35 production numbers
yeah i wont lie i feel like we're a long way off from being unable to produce aircraft in quantity

given that the F-35 is the worlds most advanced fighter aircraft and is also one of the cheapest

[manic latch]

F-35 got that number because of collab no? While F-22 was less than 200

[humble mulch]

Yeah was about to say the F-35 is an export plane as well

[desert agate]

well yes thats how economies of scale works

when you produce more of something

it becomes cheaper

[humble mulch]

Yep

See Zumwalt’s

[desert agate]

F-22 saw a limited production run as a result was ridiculously expensive

[manic latch]

Eyyy Tu-16 and Ranger

[jagged monolith]

screams in KAI
indonesia plox

[jagged monolith]

https://youtu.be/BMhMOjjhg5o

It's Raptor's kid, all right.

[vale sierra]

it isn't surprising that almost all 5-6th gen fighters make dents in wallets

[jagged monolith]

Hack: Develop a 5- fighter.

[shrewd pecan]

I mean that’s just all modern fighters

4.5 gens and 5th gens are all ungodly expensive

[jagged monolith]

4.5s are expensive because horribly unoptimized.

5ths are expensive because AAAA MAINTENANCE

F-35's unit cost (70-80 million!) is in stark contrast to the maintenance bill and readiness (AAAAAAA), which is not so good for certain foreign customers not originally part of the JSF Program.

[shrewd pecan]

I mean 4.5 gets aren’t really unoptimized

There just expensive since there upgraded with fifth gen level tech

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-frontline-negev-lmg-gaming-running-gif-17131070

[jagged monolith]

KoreaFighter has turned out so much better than I ever could have imagined it would.

100% worth it.

[chilly osprey]

F-22 also ran into the issue of being a solution who's problem kind of stopped being a problem. A relatively short-ranged aerial superiority fighter meant to dominate in a Cold War gone hot against the USSR in Europe really wasn't easy to sell as something that needed to keep being procured in the 2000s when Russia was a total shit-show, China wasn't yet a threat, and the hot new thing for everybody was fighting terrorists in the Middle East (granted, the F-22 actually proved quite useful in that role, but that's another story).

Even with the concern of a rising China, the F-22 wasn't really an ideal solution when the F-35 was on its way anyways, as a multi-role platform with greater datalinking capability and greater overall combat range, and intended to be procured in much larger numbers than the F-22 ever was.

Picking on it as an example of 'fifth gen expensive, modern aircraft can't be bought in sufficient numbers' is just wrong, because it ignores all that context.

Not that fifth and 'sixth' generation aircraft aren't expensive to develop, build, and maintain, but that they are disasterously so isn't really something that can be confidently stated.

[shrewd pecan]

the right aircraft for the wrong era

There’s no real threat for the F-22 to counter until recently

back when production was terminated no one else really had a fifth gen yet and the US was in the fallout of the Great Recession and focusing on the war on terror

shame honestly raptor has a lot of upgrade potential that isn’t being used

[jagged monolith]

It was the right choice with the information they had available to them.

[chilly osprey]

Worth noting that they did look at the question of how soon Russia and China would have fifth gen aircraft, when they were deciding on cancelling F-22 production - and determined that even with delays on the F-35, they'd still have more fifth generation aircraft in 2025 than both China and Russia together.

Which is been fairly accurate, though I doubt they thought Russia would do so poorly...

[jagged monolith]

Offset somewhat by China doing surprisingly well.

[chilly osprey]

Without looking at their estimates for 2025 I can't be sure if that's the case or not

[jagged monolith]

They've got more airframes that we thought they did. Somebody did some stupud detail counting and they have a lot more than we thought.

[shrewd pecan]

Focusing on the F-35 was likely the right decision, tho one can only hope the raptors get some upgrade attention

[chilly osprey]

Even if the Chinese had several hundred J-20 by that point the prediction would still hold true, assuming the Russians also had several hundred.

[manic latch]

Cancelation of Mig 1.44

[jagged monolith]

MADL is something that only three countries are stumbling to make any semblance of being able to match. One of F-35's many strengths.

F-35 executes data fusion on a level previously unthought of. It is a pioneer in that field and all that come after will be judged relative to it, though latecomers will have it easier.

[frigid karma]

data link

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PLAAF is now using WZ-10

[jagged monolith]

MADL is a beast, my man.

[manic latch]

No clue how many drones China has

[frigid karma]

isn't wz-10 a heli

that doesn't look like a heli

[manic latch]

Z-10 but

Sometimes called WZ-10 yes

[frigid karma]

that's no t a wz-10 then lol

has to be one hell of a body kit if it was

[manic latch]

Wing Loong-10 hmm

So WL-10?

[frigid karma]

considering covid restrictions in china rn

i honestly doubt their military capabilites are gonna see much growth rn

can't go too much into it because modern politics

but

[manic latch]

Wait Qwerty are you sure they don't use WZ for drones while Z for helis

武直10/Wuzhi 10. Is Heli yes?

Whats Wuzhen tho

[frigid karma]

wu means like weapon or something

[jagged monolith]

7nm. We're too late.

[frigid karma]

zhi means straight

as in "straight up" for helis

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

you can also just google the name and see for yourself

[manic latch]

You know Chinese don't you

[frigid karma]

😐

how do you not know i'm chinese

i've been here for like 3 years

[manic latch]

See? It's WZ for drones

[frigid karma]

The CAIC Z-10 (Chinese: 直-10, "helicopter-10"), also called WZ-1

what the fuck are you talking about

[manic latch]

WHY IS THIS DRONE CALLED WZ-7 QWERT

[frigid karma]

why dont you spend 5 sec googling it

The Guizhou WZ-7 Soaring Dragon (Chinese: 无侦-7 翔龙

different names in chinese

but both have wz abbreviation in english

[manic latch]

Alright that explains the WZ-10 drone then

[frigid karma]

chinese people don't use english in their weapon names

[manic latch]

They do sometimes

[frigid karma]

more at 6

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DF-21 for example

[frigid karma]

df-21 is dong feng

east wind

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Name was written in Roman tho

[frigid karma]

roman isn't even a language

you mean latin or something

if you mean they write a designation on them with latin letters then ye

but the names are different in chinese

so

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

not sure what your point is

the americans have like 90 M1s

context is key

"pass me that m1"
"m1 what"
"m1 bayonet"
there

[manic latch]

throws Abrams

[frigid karma]

just because both helis and drones have the same designation wz doesn't mean shit

even tanks start with wz

[manic latch]

J-16

[tight violet]

“The word fuck only became a mainstream swear word after WW2” did it?

[desert agate]

fuck has been around for about as long as modern english

so around 300 years

probably longer

[manic latch]

A 1790 poem by St. George Tucker has a father upset with his bookish son say "I'd not give [a fuck] for all you've read". Originally printed as "I'd not give ------ for all you've read", scholars agree that the words a fuck were removed, making the poem the first recorded instance of the now-common phrase I don't give a fuck.

Likely 1940-50s made it more famous

[desert agate]

WW1 saw a huge uptick in usage of the word

[tough quail]

who knew global misery would cause people to say fuck more

[manic latch]

I'm still feeling misery

[spiral cedar]

Although line officers of the United States Navy were then expected to be proficient in several fields, Johnston's professional passion was gunnery. To his lasting disgust and frustration, the stern chase meant that Turret I and his Turret II were usually unable to bear. By putting the turret almost against the training stops, there were occasions when he could fire. Each time he was able to shoot, he had a momentary pang of pity for the men on the open bridge. The muzzles of Turret Il's three guns were almost literally in the faces of the bridge watch when the turret was on its aftermost bearing. The muzzle blast was so intense that one compass repeater was broken from its mounting, and the track chart being kept by Chet Lee and his men, who were inside the charthouse, was torn in several places. Johnston tried as hard as he could to keep the turret on a firing bearing, but more often than not, the general direction of the chase kept him blocked out.

Between occasional salvos, the turret crews of Turrets I and II could only stand to their guns and wait. Only the pointer, trainer, and turret officer could see what was hap-pening, and that was through the limited perspective of their sights. All hands could feel the shock of the many near misses falling around the ship. Some of the shocks were so severe that Johnston more than once felt the turret was trying to lift off the roller path. After one particularly severe shock, "I opened my door to look out, sure that I wouldn't see anything left out there." The just receding splashes raised by the enemy salvo were so close that he quickly closed the turret door. The closeness of the enemy shells had left him inwardly shaken, but he told the men in the gun chamber that they "... had missed by a mile." As proud of the Salt Lake City's ability to shoot as he was, he was equally impressed by the tightness of the Japanese patterns. "You could have held a barrel hoop out there and they would have all gone through the same hoop."

Johnston's words are an obvious exaggeration, of course, but all the American officers were impressed with the technical prowess of the Japanese. Lieutenant Mike Callahan, the Dale's director officer, writes, "I was surprised with the alignment of the Japanese batteries-nine shells would drop with no more dispersion than the width of a two-lane concrete road." Howard Grahn estimates that the Japanese salvos fell in a pattern no more than 15 × 45 yards. In comparison, the Salt Lake Ciry's patterns were usually in the neighborhood of 50 × 350 yards. The Japanese salvos were so tight that impact circles in the water intersected. Grahn very vividly remembers a voice on the phone circuit, which he is sure was Lyle Ramsey, exclaiming, "Christ, what a pattern! Christ, what a pattern!" Grahn and his shipmates might have found some consolation in the knowledge that they were causing some anxiety aboard the Japanese flagship. Blue-dyed shell splashes kept the Nachi's bridge well drenched and later caused Kintaro Miura to blame smarting eyes on the dye.

[desert agate]

what... they couldnt have just closed a window?

[spiral cedar]

Apple's OCR ("Vision") had some hiccups, especially with footnote numbers and line-ending hyphens (which I mostly edited out), but otherwise it did a remarkably good job

[spiral cedar]

Maybe not an enclosed bridge

[desert agate]

it looks pretty enclosed

also isnt Kintaro Miura the Beserk mangaka?

or... was i should say

[spiral cedar]

Millsap feels that the testimony of Kintaro Miura is particularly important. Commander Miura categorically stated that the major hits on the Nachi were all 15 cm (6-inch) hits. However, Miura also testified that it was a 5-inch shell that started the fire on the Nachi's bridge. None of the American destroyers claimed such a hit. In addition, Miura testified that the Nachi received five 6-inch hits in the initial exchange. Only two hits are mentioned in the Nachi's Action Report and only three hits are listed in the Japanese historical account of the battle. Another officer who was on the Nachi's bridge had differing memories. Commander Shigefuso Hashimoto told American interrogators that "In the first five or ten minutes of action, the Nachi was hit at the after end of the bridge by a blue dye-loaded shell, which killed five or six communications personnel and wounded twelve or thirteen others." The significance of Hashimoto's statement is that the Salt Lake City's projectiles were loaded with blue dye while the Richmond's were loaded with orange dye. The attribution of the hits to the Richmond because only two shells hit is also open to debate: given the normal dispersion of a salvo, and the fact that two of the Salt Lake City's four turrets were two-gun turrets, two hits would seem in no way to exclude the heavy cruiser.

The enclosed bridge was made open by a shell hit earlier in the battle

[desert agate]

lmfao fair enough

[spring briar]

Tight patterns

[manic latch]

@spring briar @tough quail

Wait for it

[spring briar]

Context?

[manic latch]

I have no fucking idea. From the looks these "frogmans" gone to Avrora illegally and then fired the gun

I don't even know the time. But if it was today, it make sense since anniversary of October Revolution

So mimicking the attack of Avrora

[spring briar]

I doubt they fired it

Maybe that was sfx

[tough quail]

yeah

because if they fired it it'd be all over the news

[spring briar]

Not to mention difficulty getting the correct blanks

Etc

[tough quail]

st petersburg isn't exactly a small city and people tend to notice uh

6" guns being fired

especially when

things are going on

[manic latch]

Uhhh
https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/334542-petersburg-cannon-noon

[tough quail]

oh

huh

fair enough

[manic latch]

The U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead fires the shot, 2011

[tough quail]

though the city center at noon is a bit different than like

avrora in the middle of the night

[manic latch]

True

[tough quail]

i like that they keep adding stars to it

[manic latch]

Yup

No fewer than 21 cannon shots were fired in 1987, when the cruiser Aurora was welcomed home after restoration work.

[spring briar]

German tank crews adding a white circle to their barrel for every mole they run over in a field

Kill boosting go brrrr

[manic latch]

Hmm

Germans used stripes

Soviets used Red stars

America used...

Uhh

White stars? German cross?

[spring briar]

White stars

[spiral cedar]

White stripes probably

[spring briar]

Or thick white bands

Dun rember

France used ducks

[tough quail]

little of both as far as im aware

it wasnt a hard rule

[manic latch]

Hmm

[spring briar]

False muzzle break moment

[tough quail]

yeah, ive seen both the white bands and the white stars

sometimes both on one vehicle

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002399391488946186.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[frigid karma]

*for every kill they stole credit for

[spring briar]

I wonder how many of those are actual tanks

And not trucks, artillery

[manic latch]

Naval ensign of the USSR, 1923-1935

You know i like this one more than the other

Tho this was inspired from Imperial Japan Navy flag

Caused its change later for this reason

Was cool when it lasted

As for Tsar and Modern Russia's naval ensign

It comes from Saint Andrew's uhh cross

If they used normal cross

It would be Finnish flag

[manic latch]

According to legend, the Apostle Andrew visited the lands of the future Russia , in connection with which he is considered the patron saint of Russia. Also, the Apostle Andrew is recognized as the patron saint of sailors and fishermen

[spring briar]

Lorraine powaaaa

[tough quail]

based

[manic latch]

Monitor Lenin

Her sister was called Sun Yat Sen

[spring briar]

Soviet monitors are cool

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Dumb

[manic latch]

My little ducks

[spring briar]

But cool

Adorable

[manic latch]

My children

[spring briar]

Our

Children

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

@spring briar have you seen the new All Quiet on the Western Front?

[spiral cedar]

At 1010, Japanese gunners finally scored a direct hit on the Salt Lake City. An 8-inch shell slammed into the foc'sle, pierced the main deck, crashed through the chain locker, and still without exploding, deflected out the starboard side below the waterline. Except to a few men in the forwardmost stations, this hit was felt only as a slight tremor that passed through the ship. Even the men closest to the hit weren't sure. Seaman 1c Jerry Rodebaugh, who was on the shell deck of Turret I, recalls that there was a difference of opinion among the men working there: "When we took our first hit, the whole ship shuddered. Bosun's Mate Beeson said it was a big wave. I said, 'Bullshit, we got hit.' That was our first taste of action." Damage control personnel were quickly at the scene and as a precautionary measure, shored bulkhead Number 10. Flooding was limited to five small compartments, and although the ship was thereafter a little down by the head, her speed was unimpaired.

0.4s fuze delay be like

[spring briar]

Yesn’t

[spring briar]

A lot of similar hits when japanese 8” are involved

[frigid karma]

?

did you not finish it

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1589064351146721282

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Tonight, 104-year-old Pearl Harbor survivor Frank Emond broke his own Guinness World Record as "World's Oldest Conductor" when he led the U.S. Air Force Band's Airmen of Note in a rendition of Glenn Miller's "In the Mood" during the America Valor event in Washington, D.C.

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#OTD in 1945, a mixed-power Ryan FR-1 Fireball was forced to use its jet engine to land on USS Wake Island after its piston engine failed. In doing so, it became the jet to land on a carrier, ushering in a new era of naval aviation. #FlyNavy

Twitter · Nov 6, 2022, 10:24 PM

[spiral cedar]

17. Hit No. 1 caused only minor damage. No fires were started and only minor flooding occurred (photo 2 - plate II). The projectile struck the main deck between frames 8 and 9 starboard, six feet from the centerline of the ship (photo 3), continued downward and forward on the starboard side, passing through the second deck and the starboard chain pipe where it was deflected slightly to the right (photo 4). Continuing on, it penetrated the first platform and bulkhead No.4 (photo 5) where it was deflected sharply to the right causing it to pass out of the hull through the starboard shell just forward of No.4 bulkhead about seven feet below the first platform at the waterline. Although the projectile did not detonate within the ship, the existence of numerous loose rivets on the starboard side of the bulbous bow structure forward of frame 4 indicates that it detonated below the water's surface not far from the bow. This projectile traveled approximately 30 feet within the vessel.

[ivory ridge]

Least clueless american

[chilly osprey]

[frigid karma]

i know she sits on keel blocks regularly, but this has to be the driest the river has ever been

[valid trout]

That river is extremely dry

You can just walk down and look at the props

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1589446039953903618

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1941, a boarding party from USS Omaha seized the German blockade runner Odenwald which was disguised as a US merchant ship. The US and Germany were not yet at war, so 400 U.S. Navy sailors and officers who participated in the incident were awarded $300K in salvage to share.

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Twitter · Nov 7, 2022, 2:34 AM

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https://twitter.com/yulenbilbao/status/1589219872026034176?s=20&t=lZGzfKAQg4ZUFZsi4BD_5Q

Old Warships (@yulenbilbao)

Great White Fleet of the US Navy

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Twitter · Nov 6, 2022, 11:35 AM

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Now paint the hulls red

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https://twitter.com/yulenbilbao/status/1589212707986677760?s=20&t=lZGzfKAQg4ZUFZsi4BD_5Q

Old Warships (@yulenbilbao)

USS Idaho followed by USS Texas in 1930

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Twitter · Nov 6, 2022, 11:06 AM

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Now that’s a navy

I like big guns and I cannot lie

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Gimme that Texas

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Shut up

Only US has navy

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Yes

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the army was really smol then in comparison

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https://twitter.com/CN_Australia/status/1589473670459969536?s=20&t=lZGzfKAQg4ZUFZsi4BD_5Q

Chief of Navy Australia (@CN_Australia)

It's great to be here in Japan 🇯🇵 for the 2022 International Fleet Review, and to see #HMASStalwart, #HMASHobart and #HMASFarncomb participating. A great display of cooperation between #AusNavy and our partner nations across the #IndoPacific.

@Australian_Navy @jmsdf_pao_eng

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Twitter · Nov 7, 2022, 4:23 AM

RAN will have the largest foreign contribution to the international fleet review

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Farncomb

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named for one of the most highly decorated Australian officers of WW2

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it's a sub right

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yeah

all of the Collins class boats are named for distinguished personnel

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Funny, as they are anything but distinguished boats

)))

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5/6 of them are named for officers the final one named for a VC recipient

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theyre pretty exceptional in all respects tbqh

yes they suffered some crippling reliability problems early in their careers but with those issues long gone they're without a doubt the worlds most capable and effective diesel subs

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Le Fantasque syndrome

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Hi

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people only read their as commissioned state

but don't look beyond that

hoi

welcome

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Okey

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Eh, calling them the most capable is a bit of a stretch given the off-the-shelf Soryu was considered to replace them.

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theyre better than a Soryu

problem is theyre old

and old subs sink

and dont come back up

just look at KRI Nanggala

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Hello

Enjoy your stay

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the boats themselves are perfectly effective but the hull stress and ageing problems that come with all old vessels makes them a very real danger to their crews if operated much past their intended decommissioning

but good luck finding another diesel sub with the range, quietness, and Los Angeles Class combat systems of the Collins

the design is so acoustically sound that when the Swedes proposed they use a Stirling power plant it was determined to be unnecessary as the boats were already more than quiet enough, and making them even quieter was determined to be an unnecessary expense
tbqh that just screams volumes about the quality of the boats themselves

the first 10 years of their service however, sullied their reputations in the eyes of many and many take that as the entire basis of their opinions on the boats

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french navy syndrome bb

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the Soryu proposal was entirely to not have a capability gap so that the RAN could have some submarines while we waited on the nuclear subs

RAN didn't want Soryus but it's better to have some subs than none

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At the time nuclear subs weren't even an option!

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oh so youre not even talking about the recent proposal to buy Soryus

well im sure it screams wonders about the capability of the boats when they weren't chosen as the replacement lmfao

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Soryus

Soyus

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the USN once proposed to replace all their super carriers with light escort carriers

doesnt mean super carriers are a shit idea just means someone had an idea

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2 QE vs 1 Super

Hmm

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id give it to a Gerald R Ford

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@manic latch
La Galissonniere design speed: 31 knots
Literally every Galissonniere on trials: 35 knots

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QE sortie rates arent brilliant

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I think Gerald would lose for given she doesn't use F-35

For now

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Noice

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i mean thats just because they arent available for her

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Not a single 35 here

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Weird Nimitzes have more priority

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Nimitz class has been on active deployment and carrier air wings take time to reconstitute with new aircraft

Gerald R Ford only went on her first active deployment last month while all the F-35s are already with their carriers

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I think that's simply because pacific carriers get the priority (for now)

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With lots of hard work and money. Is it possible to get an F-14 from a museum flying again?

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you answered your own question

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ogey

cries

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Damn now I want Hyunmoo VI.

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Harbin Z-20

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Bingo

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USS New Jersey (BB-62),an Iowa-class battleship in the Sea of Japan on September 16, 1986. The picture was taken from the Soviet Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear-D" plane of the maritime reconnaissance and targeting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbeCOFkFC8

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133963864047626/1039247978931703808/image.png

after i replied:

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man

im impressed that with 3/5 QEs at cape matapan

they picked one of the two that werent

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2/270 is still a better hit rate than the Japanese CAs at Komandorski

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“b-but funny Mediterranean country change sides”

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@ivory ridge what did you reply?

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laughing stocks of other navies

probably the second best CAs in all of europe + britain

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Cant belive an heavy cruiser cant survive multiple 381mm salvos at point blank

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and even compared to algerie its mostly just that zara isnt as weight efficient

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design flaw smh my head

should've dodged them

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yeah like

if you're not weight circlejerking

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the zaras are plainly great

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also there is shit that i didnt touch on because lmao

other than mentioning QE being there

which she wasnt

They are uh

saying Pola escaped?

what?

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THE LAUGHING STOCKS OF OTHER NAVIES LIKE

hipper and the counties

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that guy is a stain on the marine nationale fandom

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Trento and Bolzano was annihilated by Swordfish Torpedos and Bombs sended from HMS Formidable.

Trento, Trieste, and Bolzano were also attacked by aircraft, but they escaped without damage.

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Liberal Italian cruisers destroyed by torpedoes and logic

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My hands shake everytime I write Vittorio Veneto thinking I write wrong

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why are people still portraying swordfish as "good"

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Bismarck

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swordfish are cool because they dunked on so many things despite being shit

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How many Japanese ships did they sink

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What crack

Oh holy shit

They literally deleted their entire account XD

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https://www.reddit.com/user/MillenniumExodus/
Still seems to exist

Sure delivered on that promise

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de bootshap obsolet

i understand how naval warfare works

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Nah every deleted comment has [deleted] as account but it's not actually a deleted account

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it would be hilarious tho

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what the

actual fuck

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Ah, I see

Wait

Is this the dumbfuck who was making things up about the Mogador-class a year or two ago?

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The joy of tables.

Why doesn't google docs have good table settings

Couldn't even swap axis

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Free

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wait what did they say

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I pay in data

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KEKW

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OH MY GOD

IT WAS

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So what do we do

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what did he say

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Send them a DM and tell them it's an intervetion?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/i7zmdr/2758x1704_rare_picture_french_destroyer_mogador/

Uuuum...are we talking for the same Class? French Contre-torpileur Mogador (X61) and her sister ship Volta (X62)? They were the 2 of only 3 French Warships that manage to escape to United States of America in 1940 and they were refit in New York Naval Yard till 1942 and serve in the American Pacific Fleet till the Japanese Surrender! Mogador and Volta have picture with USS Missouri (BB-63) in Tokyo Bay on the Surrender Ceremony! Richelieu was the third ship that escape from France (Toulon - "Madrié" Naval Base) with the Destroyers and was transporting the French Golden Reserve to be locked down in Fort Knox! Modagor and Volta was Scuttled in 1950 and Richelieu in 1960 with her sister ship Jean Bart!

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i see

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They had a punch of posts back in 2020

That were just so weird

All kinds of stuff like this

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I don't think this person really cares about the marine national at all

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so he's like me if i was even less intelligent

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they sound like someone who just learned what a warship is, and hopes to meet one someday

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I have no idea where they got it from other than fever dreams

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Holy fuck he literally lives in an alternative universe

Wtf

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Awww...

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he types like if fisher had his memory wiped and started rambling half cocked about warships on quora

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HAHAHAHAHA

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[record player stops]

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damn someone struck a nerve there

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I think this part is worse

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the only difference between the SS and the wehrmacht is that the latter is weak to 30-06 and 7.62x54r, the former is weak to rope

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imagine an alternate universe where france invents rifled naval guns, smokeless powder, germany, armoured warships and battleships...

oh wait

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you know uh