i heard there was a monitor version with 14-inch guns
#history
desert agate
I'd love to fill myself with vodka
manic latch
I'd love to fill myself with vodka
manic latch
i heard there was a monitor version with 14-inch guns
Or Russian Engels destroyer with 12 inch 
Hope war thunder adds it at least
manic latch
How fast would that thing even fire?
305mm recoilless gun designed by Soviet designer Leonid Kurchevsky, who specialized in developing recoiless gun designs. Leonid was charged with embezzling state resources to construct a helicopter in 1924, and got to spend 5 years in Solevski ("mother of the Gulag"). Afterword, he would get state funding to put very large recoiless rifles and howitzers on anything that moved, including Engels. When his designs were found to be extremely defective in 1937, he was sentenced to death. By WW2's begining all of his gun systems had been removed and destroyed.
manic latch
305mm recoilless gun designed by Soviet designer Leonid Kurchevsky, who speciali...
He was planning slapping a 500mm later
alpine onyx
I wanna know how fast it fires
Not that it'd matter to Gaijin given their selective nature with reload times
manic latch
I wanna know how fast it fires
....an hour if my source is true
alpine onyx
makes sense, since you probably have to haul the shell there manually
manic latch
But this was a testing as I know
Other project was supposed to install a twin installation of a 305-mm DRP (“K” system) in the stern. It was supposed to have the following characteristics: rate of fire (per barrel) - 2 rds / min, firing range of at least 100 kbt with a projectile mass of 320 - 330 kg .
alpine onyx
that sounds overly optimistic
manic latch
Ye...
Well the engineer got executed in the end
Which usually points out his optimism was too much for most of his projects
@spring briar Today 
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eternal veldt
Tomorrow: 
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Tomorrow: <:DunktsukiStare:661087783619788812>
eternal veldt
@delicate beacon
manic latch
Please tell me Sang
Why so small guns on such body
Why not at least go triple 150mm
delicate beacon
3 Triple 15cms were considered.
It's a hull designed for less weight so there are some weight limitations.
But the battery, AA and FC are ultramodern so the 8 15cms shouldn't be a problem
manic latch
The Air Force has finally set a date to roll out the secretive B-21 Raider, with prime contractor Northrop Grumman today announcing plans to unveil the new stealth bomber on Dec. 2.
Northrop announced the date of the roll out on Twitter, promising to “unveil the world’s first sixth-generation aircraft” with a dramatic video showcasing an aircraft hidden by a white sheet — a common motif in the company’s advertising for the bomber.
delicate beacon
Time to update da list 
manic latch
Budget Titanic
delicate beacon
It's Van Neck from 1913, set up as repair ship in 1942.
ivory ridge
truly the only upgrade the ariete ever needed
https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1583128212464230400?s=20&t=id2xKTbN0fNiSyfg5YTMWw
a 50 cal mg
shrewd pecan
loaders 50 cal
spring briar
ivory ridge
loaders 50 cal
tbh the 50 cal on the centauro 120 is also on the loader position
and the 30 cal for the commander
chilly osprey
Morosini in two days
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
Shame it wasn't in September. Then they could have bombarded the acropolis on the anniversery of it going boom
spring briar
chilly osprey
:p
spring briar
chilly osprey
Richelieu, I don't suppose you would happen to have any lists of weights for the Courbet or Bretagne-classes, would you?
spring briar
Mayhaps
ivory ridge
spring briar
Learning about Qing history is wack
delicate beacon
I must work harder 
tough quail
I enjoy
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USS Daniel Inouye (DDG 118) tows commercial fishing vessel in distress to Honolulu Oct. 18, 2022 [4032 x 3024]
compact valley
I keep forgetting the Navy has a job other than shoot other ships.
compact valley
...amazing photo too.
frigid karma
I keep forgetting the Navy has a job other than shoot other ships.
well, these days it's mostly bomb, torpedo and/or missile
but ye, the navy plays an important humanitarian role nowadays too
ivory ridge
Any ship built after 1945 cant shoot.
All they know is bomb, torpedo, missile, be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie.
ivory ridge
Don't ruin my shitty meme
Also I'm italian we put multiple medium caliber guns on all our ships
desert agate
but ye, the navy plays an important humanitarian role nowadays too
Always has
timber linden
Imagine being Italian
cinder escarp
Any ship built after 1945 cant shoot.
All they know is bomb, torpedo, missile, b...
you forget crash into civvie
subtle prawn
Tiger 131 was abandoned by the Germans in the Tunisian desert back on 24 April 1943. The story of its capture began with infantrymen of the 2nd Battalion The Sherwood Foresters fighting a fierce battle to eject German forces from a hill known as Point 174.
After taking the German position, the Foresters dug themselves in and prepared for a counter-attack. They were soon faced with German infantry supported by Tiger tanks. The Tigers took up hull-down positions about 300 metres from the Foresters and let loose with cannon and machine gun.
The Foresters held their ground and saw off the attacking infantry. Perhaps frustrated by this failure, the commander of Tiger 131 decided to leave his hull-down position and advance towards the British.
The Foresters responded by firing PIATs (Projector, Infantry, Anti Tank) and with a French 75 gun captured from the Germans. A glancing hit was scored with a PIAT but the projectile bounced off the Tiger’s armour without detonating.
Tiger 131 kept advancing, drawing ever closer to the British positions. Fortunately for the Foresters, a Churchill tank supporting the infantry from afar scored a hit on the Tiger and jammed 131’s turret. The crew bailed out and were captured.
In November, after a short stay at Chobham, the tank will go on a tour of British towns and cities as part of a campaign to raise funds for the war effort.
We have an in-depth video about the Tiger on our channel with the Chieftain. Search “A Deep Diver into the Tiger I, by the Chieftain” to find out more about this vehicle.
Picture: Tiger 131 on display at Horse Guards Parade in London, November 1943.
Source: IWM, H 34426```
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
spring briar
stone sorrel
What’s this?
ivory ridge
Mare Aperto 2022-2 exercise
spring briar
it's a nice ship
did france have anything similar?
or did they switch to screw steam
eternal veldt
IIRC everyone was messing about with paddles for some time until they had a tug of war and basically screws just destroyed the paddle competition.
spring briar
Gloire will be a UR
ivory ridge
subtle prawn
delicate beacon
Oh no
spring briar
subtle prawn
(Spoiler alert: He says no)
delicate beacon
Thank god for some sanity in this clickbait
cinder escarp
(Spoiler alert: He says no)
I wouldn't say flat no, just very unlikely. If the allied troops never regrouped and remained in disarray they may well have made it into antwerp. Of course, that won't change the war one iota but that was the (stupid) goal.
opal jetty
tough quail
didnt that already get cancelled
manic latch
didnt that already get cancelled
"Delayed"
tough quail
lmao
shrewd pecan
https://twitter.com/navylookout/status/1583462680160919555
Has a well deck as well by the looks of it
or at least the back part of the ship looks like it
for as much as we criticize here eh, ship honestly seems pretty reasonable for the South Korean navies blue water requirements
from what I’ve seen they were already considering on putting F-35Bs on the Dokdos
ivory ridge
from what I’ve seen they were already considering on putting F-35Bs on the Dokdo...
that doesnt sound possible
but yeah SK has been chasing CVL designs for
a while
last year we had HHI pairing with the UK to make a smaller queen elizabeth and DSM pairing with Italy to make a less-LHD trieste
shrewd pecan
that doesnt sound possible
I mean there's already light carriers in its same weight and size class
tho it would require major modifications to the ships
ivory ridge
none of them uses F35s
Garibaldi is smaller and uses harriers, The Izumos are over 5k tons heavier
the dokdos are the same weight as the hyugas
which arent getting converted
shrewd pecan
from what I can find
it theoretically could
tho it would suffer from the classic issues of limited munitions load and fuel load
the ships tho would likely need modification
ivory ridge
doesnt sound worth it
shrewd pecan
probably why they they're going with the dedicated carrier
somber knoll
this is just my anecdote but, do CVLs always have (mostly)flat top? I know that angled flight deck is at first a USN thing until this type of carriers become "more common" (as in other navies can build the type as well) but with the advent of STOVL and other types of aircrafts I've seen the "ramp" flat deck getting a lot of love these days.
strong plank
Ramp cuts down on length requirements iirc
desert agate
STOBAR carriers are less expensive and less maintenance intensive, but can't operate AEW and cargo aircraft which can be problematic depending on how you intend to use your carriers
F-35 partially alleviates the issue of AEW thanks to its frankly insane radar but isn't a replacement for an E-2 by any means
But if you're a smaller navy that wants organic air power without needing to project power globally, STOBAR is a good compromise
subtle prawn
silver crest
henry 8's older brother was named arthur
so we could've had an actual king arthur had he not died early
eternal veldt
@spring briar on the matter of age of sail, have you seen this beauty before?
Richelieu's work, apparently.
Interesting bit of 8 guns forward and aft too, rather than 2/4 as normally seen.
tough quail
https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1583518903065403392
https://twitter.com...
oh shit i didnt know we were adding this to the poland bankruptcy pile too
cold pumice
Where the oerlikon guns only used on ships or where there infantry aa mounts
eternal veldt
You mean, where Oerlikons are placed?
In general, any available deck space where:
1)splinter shields can be erected to give some protection
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said area does not affect the operation of the ship i.e. Too close to a main guns, the flight deck, the catapults, etc.
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said area is not completely uninhabitable due to sea and weather conditions (see: Alaska's 40mm bofors, criticised as so)
cinder escarp
There were some ground use of the Oerlikon and Polsten
But they were nowhere near as frequent as on the USN paving their ships with them.
We learned the hard way that with WW2 fire control and weaponry, the best AA system is known as "more fire"
(Although by the end of the war, the US at both sea and land were operating fully computer controlled, radar guided AA systems with proximity fuze shells. There were even multiple projects underway to build heavy autocannons for the proxy fuze rounds, which required a 75mm or bigger shell)
It would have been interesting to see what an effect the M9/SCR-582/90mm M2/VT fuse combo would have had in air defense had they came just a year or two earlier
(The SCR-584 microwave radar provided tracking at 1 mil accuracy, the M3 gun data computer computed all aim, and the M9 director automatically aimed the guns. The crew were reduced to just loading the rounds)
Even without proximity rounds (which were still kept secret in Europe for fear of falling into Axis hands) - the fully-automated aim was good enough for a single battery of 4 90mms to shoot down 5 of 12 Ju 88s bombing at night at Anzio in '44.
spring briar
<@450678921512353792> on the matter of age of sail, have you seen this beauty be...
Yes I know this one
manic latch
If she only had wider tracks
desert agate
im not sure if tracks are the issue here
i think its more the uh
rather dramatic tests
manic latch
im not sure if tracks are the issue here
Luv Is-2
manic latch
Hehe boy
Warship 2023 will have UP-41 design
While also info on French carriers Clemen and Foch
May 23 tho 
spring briar
ivory ridge
But if you're a smaller navy that wants organic air power without needing to pro...
Do you mean STOVL or
pliant bay
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Anti-Tank Caltrops Spikes
desert agate
Do you mean STOVL or
yeah that too
hasty flame
I don't want to get butchered, so I'll leave this here and peacefully returning to other stuff
tough quail
I don't want to get butchered, so I'll leave this here and peacefully returning ...
butchered
comrade, you are embraced with open arms in regards to mocking the wehrmacht
the wehrmocked if you will
hasty flame
frigid karma
There are wehraboos here and channel regulars here but no channel regular wehraboos here
delicate beacon
No wehraboos. Only weeraboo. 
cinder escarp
Wehraboo hunting is fun
valid trout
I don't want to get butchered, so I'll leave this here and peacefully returning ...
what the heck happened here
valid trout
makes alot of sense
spring briar
Terrible intel
maiden citrus
luftkriegs moment
delicate beacon
On 26-6-1944 (at 14:00) the ship, navigating quite near the coast, was hit by two torpedoes from the submarine HMS Truculent (the ship broke in half and sank in a few minutes). Moreover one corvette and one tanker was sunk. The other ships of the convoy took the surviving men on board. A total of 178 men drowned (113 Dutch, 48 British, 12 Australian), the survivors were taken by various ships to Singapore, where another 22 men died from wounds, pneumonia and exhaustion.```
white rose
LAUGH
lost ravine
spiral cedar
In the US Navy, the "Mark" ID for projectiles was changed when new design spec requirements were issued, so the projectiles had to meet some different acceptance criteria or were for a new gun or new ship with different requirements for storage, handling, loading, or firing characteristics. The "M(OD" ("Model" or "Modification") of a given Mark meant a difference that was externally not visible and where the projectile should be interchangeable with all other MODs of that projectile as to usage, as far as the ship's operation was concerned and they all met the minimum spec requirements for the original MOD (0 or 1, it varies). First, as new MOD meant a different manufacturer (Midvale, Bethlehem, or Crucible Steel in WWII, for example). It also meant that for a single manufacturer that the later MOD had some internal change that made the projectile different (usually better) than the previous MOD made by that manufacturer, but could be fired by the same ship just like the earlier MOD from that manufacturer -- "Form, fit, and function" the same.
For example, the 12" Mark 15 MOD 6 AP Projectile had its MODs 1-5 made by Midvale, Bethlehem, or Crucible (not sure which made what MOD) and they all met the original Mark 15 design and armor acceptance test specs at 10 degrees obliquity (Bethlehem had to finally meet that 10 degree angle spec, overriding its earlier protests). This may have been the only significant change frim the virtually identical 12" Mark 14 AP shell. Then in mid-1916 Midvale, in its MOD 6, finally perfected its hardening/tempering process it had originally introduced in the 1911 8" Mark 11 MOD 1 AP Projectile for large/"heavy" cruiser main armament guns.
[Note that these 8" AP shells were removed from service after WWI by the restrictions of the Washingto0n Naval Treaty of 1923 making the new, improved, good quality, high-toughness US Navy Common projectiles (base-fuzed AP-types called SAP by the US Army) better than small-filler AP shells against most Treaty cruisers (British Treaty cruisers had similar ammo, though the British 8" post-WWI guns retained an AP cap (SAPC)). These new-type US Navy Common shells had no AP caps (thin armor on enemy cruisers usually made such a cap not necessary), with the "Special" type adding a thin sheet-steel Hood to replace the cap when attaching their new long windscreens -- a few early post-WWI Common shells were made without a Hood but the threads holding the windscreen were quickly found to severely weaken the shell's nose on armor impact if cut directly into the hard nose -- and a much larger explosive filler.]
What the MOD 6 was introduced, it was tested just like the other, earlier MODs at the expected "Effective" striking velocity to allow intact, fully-functioning filler and base fuze. This was a significantly higher impact velocity at 10 degrees than the "complete penetration in any condition" Navy 10-degree Ballistic Limit (NBL) velocity -- they were using a British "Fit-t0-Burst" shell armor test standard only. The earlier MODs 1-5 had met this standard, too, of course. Then Midvale persuaded the US Navy Proving Ground personnel at Dahlgren to test the MOD 6 projectiles at the NWL, too. This is where it was found that for these AP shells, at up to 15 degrees obliquity (when the low-temperature-soldered soft AP cap ceased to function above this angle 50% of the time), the Holing Limit (well under the NBL) was not significantly damaging the projectiles most of the time. The NWL and the Effective Limit for these projectiles was in effect identical. This immediately meant that these shells now had well over a hundred-feet-second drop in the needed striking velocity to function against any enemy armor of any sort.
NOTE: This immunity was later found to be not true against Midvale Non-Cemented pre-1913 extremely-thick-faced Class "A" plates (which was dropped by Midvale after Krupp lost its legal battle at the US Supreme Court and had its patents for KC armor declared invalid in the US) nor, I believe, against pre-WWI Austro-Hungarian Witkiwitz KC armor, and also not true against all non-Japanese (not Vickers Cemented nor Vickers Hardened, where most manufacturing processes were kept as-is to the 1912 British Vickers methods used for IJN KONGO) naval face-hardened armors made after 1930 -- all of these tougher armors had improved post-hardening tempering/toughening processes that eliminated "temper embrittlement" caused by using "forbidden" tempering temperatures that were not widely known until circa-1930) for such high-alloy-content steel alloys. In fact, I believe that the ability of the US Navy Thick-Chill Class "A" armor to routinely shatter the WWI-era Midvale Unbreakable projectiles was what blinded it to the scaling problems from the use of such a thick 55% face layer in WWII.
Since no later MOD was made for any WWI-era US Navy 12" AP shell, I assume that Midvale got all further AP shell contracts for 12" guns and no other AP ammo was made (until the WWII 12" Mark 18 made by Crucible Steel was introduced for the ALASKA Class Large Cruisers). As for the 14" Mark 8 and 16" Mark 3 AP ammo made through the 1920s and early 1930s, they had to match the Midvale Unbreakable design specs. I think that Crucible Steel would be able to do this, if offered a contract, but I do not know if Bethlehem ever got back on its feet about this kind of ammo after its bad failures previously.
The WWII-era post-1935 14" Mark 16 AP, 14" Mark 20 AP short-windscreen version of the 14" Mark 16 AP shells for USS TEXAS-era US BBs with obsolete handling facilities), and 16" Marks 5 (COLORADO Class, enlarged 14" Mark 16-type shells within the design strength of the gun barrels) and Mark 8 (all later BBs) were the first improved AP shells designed for all remaining US Navy BBs after 1925. The remaining 12"-gunned WWI-era US Navy BBs retained their 12" Mark 15 MOD 6 AP shells until scrapped.
I am including a file for the 14" Mark 16 MOD 8 ballistic tests on Dr. Hershey's hand-written data cards against Class "A" armor.
The five-digit number in the lower right on these cards is the "F" value used in the test for the Thompson "F" Penetration Formula used at the US NPG after 1931, based on the 260-pound 8" Mark 11 MOD 1 AP projectiles against pre-1931 Class "B" armor or STS plate (the same thing). This formula is in my section at NAVWEAPS.COM.
The bottom usually also has abbreviated notes as to the armor and projectile c0nd9ition after the impact. "L" means "Lamination" (the plate showed inferior metallurgy that showed steps in the hardness parallel to the face that would usually weaken the plate); "NC" means "Nose Cracked"; "E" means "Excellent" (no significant damage to the shell body or fuze region); "BB" means "Body Broken (sometimes in two); "NB" means "Nose Broken"; "NO" means "Nose Offset" (bent at an angle); "NU" means "Nose Upset" (flattened out or compressed like a mushroom); "BF" means "Base Flattened" (due to base slap at an oblique impact); and so forth. "IP" means "Incomplete Penetration"; "SIP" means "Stuck in Plate"; "CP" means "Complete Penetration" and so forth.
Nathan Okun
So it looks like the USN just outright stopped buying 12" AP aside from the Midvale because no one but them made the 12" AP Mark 15 Mod 6 and only the 12" AP Mark 15 Mod 6 were carried on the ships later on
The 12" AP Mark 15, Mods 1-5 all met the 10 deg standard (as opposed to the 12" AP Mark 14, which was not made with the standard in mind) but the Mod 6 by Midvale in mid-1916 proved far superior, showing no significant damage right down to the holing limit, even up to 15 deg obliquity (like other soft caps, only reliable 50% of the time above 15 deg)
14" AP Mark 8 and 16" AP Mark 3 had to match the MU specs
mossy hearth
Oh y’all are talking about this type of history I almost sent my browser history for a second there ngl
tough quail
frigid karma
@halcyon coyote you have any ideas for how to incorporate royal fortune into cr?
ik you have ww1 BCs in lore already, you planning to add 1700s ships?
tough quail
it's not as hideous as expected
somber knoll
Oh y’all are talking about this type of history I almost sent my browser history...
we can talk about a lot of history topics here TBF. but since the most relatable to the game is military history, we tend to delve deep into it.
unborn canopy
was reading juneau's quotes and got curious about the 5 brothers, can anyone properly explain the significance of the 5 sullivan brothers?
spring briar
They were 5 brothers on board of USS Juneau
She was sunk at Guadalcanal and all 5 brothers died
meaning that one mother received the message that all her kids died
the US then wished to prevent this in the future by allowing brothers of soldiers that died to return home from the front
and also making sure brothers wouldn't operate in the same unit n such
unborn canopy
ahhh ok, makes sense, thanks, explains who juneau seem so quiet and withdrawn
spiral cedar
was reading juneau's quotes and got curious about the 5 brothers, can anyone pro...
The five Sullivan brothers all were sons from one family, who agreed to join the Navy on the condition that all five would be allowed to serve aboard the same ship. In the aftermath of the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, the damaged and torpedoed Juneau was withdrawing from the battle alongside several other ships, including San Francisco and Helena. A Japanese submarine spotted the group and launched torpedoes. San Francisco managed to spot the torpedoes and avoid them, but she blocked the view of the rest of the group to the danger, and a torpedo struck Juneau in the same spot she had previously been torpedoed. This allowed the damage to reach deep into the ship, causing a magazine detonation so violent that body parts fell aboard nearby ships. No one thought there could be any survivors, and San Fran, Helena, and the other ships left.
But there were survivors. Included among them were at least two of the Sullivan brothers. But a week passed before anyone discovered there were survivors clinging to the wreckage, and the remaining Sullivans perished, as did most of the others. Only a few of the crew were ever rescued, much too late.
There had been a loosely held rule that siblings should not be assigned to the same ship, but after the tragic loss, the Navy fully took to enforcing the rule to prevent a family from being destroyed in a single ship loss again. A destroyer, USS The Sullivans, was later named in their honor.
spring briar
spiral cedar
About an hour before noon, the task force crossed paths with Japanese submarine I-26. At 1101, the submarine fired a three torpedoes at San Francisco. None hit that cruiser, but one passed beyond and struck Juneau on the port side very near the previous hit. The ensuing magazine explosion blew the light cruiser in half, killing most of the crew. A message from USS Helena to a nearby B-17 search plane reported that Juneau was lost at latitude 10 degrees South and longitude 161 degrees East and that survivors were in the water. The sinking location was subsequently modified to 10 degrees South and 161 degrees East.
Owing to the risk of another submarine attack and because the sections of Juneau sank in only a few minutes, the American task force did not stay to check for survivors. However, approximately 115 of Juneau's crew survived the explosion. But, as Helena's message unfortunately did not reach Noumea and there remained uncertainty about the number of Japanese ships in the area, rescue efforts did not begin for several days. Exposure, exhaustion, and shark attacks whittled down the survivors and only ten men were rescued from the water eight days after the sinking.
spring briar
Jaba up and wrote a novel
unborn canopy
lol
spiral cedar
SanFran contributed to the demise of both Atlantas lost during WWII
spring briar
strip her of some battle stars
unborn canopy
didn't she accidentally sink atlanta?
spiral cedar
No, the Japanese sank Atlanta
But SanFran did shoot her a few times
Hence the green dye
eternal veldt
She landed shots into her bridge - Green dye found in said areas.
unborn canopy
why green dye?
spiral cedar
The fatal damage to Atlanta was from the Japanese, though
spring briar
dye capped shells
eternal veldt
Every ship has a dye to help with observing fall of shot.
This may be exaggerated and is off Samar, but demonstrates how they work.
unborn canopy
and sanfran was using green?
eternal veldt
Yes.
unborn canopy
jesus
eternal veldt
(Also noteworthy that Juneau's attacker, I-26, did some pretty fucked up stuff later in the war.)
spiral cedar
When multiple ships are shooting at the same target with similar size shells, it can be very difficult to tell whose splashes are whose. This matters because you can’t tell whether your shots are the ones landing on target, or whether it’s another ship that is, and whether yours are overshooting. The two British CLs at the Battle of the River Plate had this issue—Ajax and Achilles were both firing 6” guns and could not tell their splashes apart, which cost one of them about 15 minutes(!) of wasted shooting. Dye bags were meant to allow each ship in a force to tell their own splashes apart, making correction much more reliable.
eternal veldt
Basically, war crimes by ramming boats and shooting survivors.
spring briar
(pls don't use the !)
eternal veldt
Still not as messed up as I-8's case.
spiral cedar
(!)
spring briar
(you are not Haupt or Okun !)
unborn canopy
When multiple ships are shooting at the same target with similar size shells, it...
so it was added for easier spotting of shells to help more accurately aim?
spiral cedar
Pretty much
spring briar
Basically, war crimes by ramming boats and shooting survivors.
who's that USN captain that gave cake to his crew?
I heard he did some pretty iffy stuff as well
unborn canopy
did sanfran contribute to sinking juneau?
eternal veldt
Was a sub, IIRC.
spiral cedar
> About an hour before noon, the task force crossed paths with Japanese submarin...
Indirectly
The torps were aimed at SanFran
She dodged but blocked the view of the torps to Juneau
alpine onyx
Unplanned success on I-26's count
spiral cedar
Very Japanese submarine thing to do
eternal veldt
who's that USN captain that gave cake to his crew?
I heard he did some pretty if...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_B._Fluckey this bloke?
spring briar
alpine onyx
I would first have to look up what happened at Courland
spring briar
Courland pocket
you know
army group north
becoming army group centre
becoming army group kourland
alpine onyx
Oh, so naval support of ground troups
eternal veldt
The torps were aimed at SanFran
IIRC, something similar also happened with Sealion during the Formosa Strait passage.
Target was Nagato, but the torpedo nailed Kongo instead.
alpine onyx
should be easy to find out, lemme find Eugen's diary of that time
do you have a date?
eternal veldt
The lesson learnt here is not to separate the lucky duo that is Kongo and Haruna. /s
spring briar
should be around october 1944-march 1945
around the same time as the evacuation of east prussia
alpine onyx
good thing I have the entire history folder with me on vacation
spring briar
alpine onyx
all the data hoarding
alpine onyx
I see the wonderful Austrian mountains outside the window
spring briar
fun fact about the Courland pocket
Donitz said it was able to be evacuated using most of the capacity of the KM that was still left at the time and if they completely focussed on the evacuation of Courland
Guderian therefore thought it would be worth evacuating fully
but Hitler knew he had to prioritize the evacuation of east prussia since courland pocket was actually able to fend off the soviets for long enough
a lot of cold war german historians therefore blame hitler for not evacuating courland
even though that would've cost thousands of east prussian lives and probably the loss of the entire KM in the process
never trust Guderian
alpine onyx
Depends on your taste of course, but the Obersalzberg has a good exhibit on the work the Nazis did on that mountain (it was one of Hitler's favorite places, and some rly fucked up shit was done there as well). Some parts of the bunker network are also accessible, though I'd recommend doing your homework before going there or else you might end up looking at concrete walls without much context
spring briar
Depends on your taste of course, but the Obersalzberg has a good exhibit on the ...
is there anything NOT WW2 related in Austria that's worth visiting my brother
alpine onyx
are castles war related?
spring briar
alpine onyx
lotsa mountains
alpine onyx
my tablet is still trying to unpack the diaries
I store that stuff highly compressed on an ssd, or else the entire folder would be huge
spring briar
over 500k german troops stuck on a small peninsula
with a bunch of Latvian troops that really didn't want to fight for anyone but themselves anymore
you can guess what happened
also there was a dutch SS division, a Belgian SS division and a Swedish one too
alpine onyx
looks like Eugen participated in a bit of both Memel area and Courland, at least from what a quick glance gives me
spring briar
yes, I knew that
but there's some KM bombardments of Saarama island
and I want to know which ships that were
alpine onyx
Got something
on Oktober 20th and 21st Eugen engaged a few targets on that island
I don't see the total ship count with Eugen, but she reports that Z-35, 36 and 43 also engaged land targets
says she was accompanied by three Zeds of the sixth Zed flotilla
so that's probably 35, 36 and 43
halcyon coyote
<@410523506045091856> you have any ideas for how to incorporate royal fortune in...
I'm going to wait to see what her personality is like, but keep in mind I did leave the door open to ships from further back in CR24 in case I might need it.
fierce sparrow
Ogre. . .
tribal mortar
Sea Venoms and Sea Hawks on HMS Albion
rugged jetty
for a naval jet the Sea Hawks are really good looking
desert agate
a lot of naval jets a pretty nice
delicate beacon
rugged jetty
HNLMS Karel Doorman?
delicate beacon
somber knoll
classic
white rose
So, any ideas for her overall appearance? Hair, outfit, etc.? It's Edson
humble mulch
This doesn’t belong here @white rose, feel free to ask in like #al-general
manic latch
Manned torpedo complexes of the Kriegsmarine "Marder", abandoned in Denmark
rapid junco
cinder escarp
it's not as hideous as expected
Apologies for the late reply oh horsey one, but why would you expect ugliness from a hybrid made of tanks that have the same past?
tough quail
end results had pretty different aesthetics
subtle prawn
frigid karma
looks like concept 1b from wot
zealous vine
What are doctrines for AA mount placement?
Are spots with wider firing arcs deemed better than spots located higher, say, a mount placed at the bow of the ship vs. a mount placed higher on a support amidships?
(And do heavier AA mounts take priority for these spots?)
delicate beacon
Heavier AA mounts take priority to spots because... They're heavier and you have less of them.
It's mostly about firing arc, control and defence.
Higher doesn't mean better, its just that there's less in the way and lighter mounts can be afforded to place higher up.
The reason most are up high and centre is so they're not in the way of the main battery. Dont wanna burn your own crews alive with muzzle blasts.
You also dont see much on the bow because thats where a lot of water is. Those mounts are usually unusable.
zealous vine
cinder escarp
end results had pretty different aesthetics
Well, unlike the Abrooms which was the lovechild of MBT-70, a CPA, and a whiteboard... Leopard 2 was a clean marriage between KpZ-70 and Leopard 1 in terms or origin.
tough quail
makes sense
cinder escarp
Leopard 2 actually has the same turret ring as Leo 1, and is narrower than the Abrooms/Chonky
It in fact has a narrower turret ring than the old fattons, which is why you see the adapter for fitting Leopon 2 turret on M48s
subtle prawn
frigid karma
👀
The Rainbow Warrior wasn’t hit by a tug, of course. In an attempt to “neutralise” the ship ahead of its planned protest, French secret service agents in diving gear had attached two packets of plastic-wrapped explosives to it, one by the propeller, one to the outer wall of the engine room.
Initially, the French government denied all knowledge of the operation, but it became soon obvious that they were involved. Eventually, prime minister Laurent Fabius appeared on television and told a shocked public: “Agents of the DGSE (Secret Service) sank this boat. They acted on orders.”
sullen canyon
Well it's Greenpeace, so I guess it's to be expected though
desert agate
A literal act of war btw
frigid karma
it's literally considered terrorism
desert agate
Well yes it's considered terrorism
But a national government agency blowing up a foreign ship in a foreign port is an act of war for a intents and purposes
It's just no one pursued it as such
spiral cedar
Our ship Garbage Lighter No 4 Rainbow Warrior has blown up under mysterious circumstances. There are suspicions that saboteurs from France might have been responsible. The press is demanding action. What do you recommend?
☑️ This dastardly act cannot remain unavenged! This means war!
☑️ We should calm things down and wait for an impartial investigation.
strong plank
a shooting war between greenpeace and france would've been wild
frigid karma
they're british too
After a series of high-profile campaigns in the North Atlantic, including two escapes from captivity in Spain resulting in the resignation of the Admiral of the Spanish Navy, Rainbow Warrior made its way to North America where it underwent modification in 1981 and the fitting of sails in a ketch rig in 1985.
ey yo what the fuck
desert agate
I'm not aware that Greenpeace has national sub-branches
they're a global organisation regardless
remote monolith
well they speak English so clearly they're Brits/d
desert agate
nocturne mountain
guys, one question, where do i can read the story of the current event again ? because i feel quite weird the one of the current event
this one, did we really kill her for steal some candies ? i only read the ending so, i am wondering i they were acting or what was going on
seriously, the stories of mobile games try to hard to be so serious but are so damn stupid
delicate beacon
#al-lore 
frigid karma
guys, one question, where do i can read the story of the current event again ? b...
azur lane wiki
or go to memories
in the archive
you know the ending explicitly states she's not harmed, right?
nocturne mountain
yeah, i read that part
but, they were acting since the beggining ?
this is like those animes where the protagonist was just having a dream at the end of the anime
frigid karma
yes, it was an act
nocturne mountain
weird, but also normal these days, all mobile games try too hard to be super dark and cute and horny at the same time
tough quail
azur lane is veeeery light generally
manic latch
somebody pls tell my dis fake
No
delicate beacon
It's to see what was theoretically possible.
I'm quite interested in the armour weight breakdown tho
eternal veldt
Broke: large BB
Woke: design a torpedo BB, put it in wargames. When you lose, claim the games are rigged.
spiral cedar
Dr. Magnus Pyke was a scientific advisor to the British Ministry of Food during World War II. In 1969, during a lecture at the Royal Institution in London, he revealed the following:
At that time large amounts of human blood were collected from such people as were prepared to give it. The blood was centrifuged, the plasma put aside for parenteral injection into those victims of bombing that might need it, and the red corpuscles discarded.
Again the scientific advisers to the minister of food put forward a scheme to make use of the red-blood corpuscles, so self-sacrificingly contributed by patriotic donors, and manufacture from it black pudding for distribution on the food ration.
The curious anthropological phenomenon then emerged that although the British were prepared to consume each other's blood by vein, they considred its ingestion by mouth was a variant of cannibalism and therefore disgusting.```Hi
spring briar
delicate beacon
Why? 
spring briar
delicate beacon
Also I found a good book at Amsterdam
delicate beacon
Bepalingen betreffende de artillerie, 1924 version
The 1895 version is on Google Books 
manic latch
no, I was muted
eternal veldt
<:DunktsukiStare:661087783619788812>
Very late, but as I've said before, the bow bofors is practically unusable on the Alaskas. One more reason to dislike the class if you so wish.
You also have the famous case of Richelieu's 20mm oerlikon gallery too close to Turret A, and the result is multiple serious burn injuries and multiple wrecked guns when the main guns went off.
For ships with even higher firepower and having subsequently higher blast pressure/shockwave, shielding of almost everything was even required, as had happened to the Yamato class.
delicate beacon
Just look at where Yamato stowed her boats on the aft.
eternal veldt
Stay away, or literally suffer lung collapse and die
eternal veldt
Just look at where Yamato stowed her boats on the aft.
Wrong, you see, WG, the ever historical ship game, put Satsuma's boats right next to Turret X.
Therefore, 51cm guns have no effect on the little shoddy cutters and boats.
eternal veldt
For ships with even higher firepower and having subsequently higher blast press...
Have to ask @maiden citrus here though since she posted the chart, what is the lethal pressure for the average human?
lusty tiger
the hell is dis <:BataanCry:666111446383591427>
sauce?
solid mango
I don't really have a proper source since I just found it while scrolling tru reddit having no idea what im doing 
eternal veldt
Also, in case you're wondering, the conning tower is within Turret 2 for this design. US interwar design is safe to declare as close to insanity.
solid mango
Is it safe to conclude that the interwar usn was a weird thing
Because if so, then I agree
spring briar
they just uh
took great care in preserving their pepega designs
eternal veldt
Everyone was experimenting with new designs one way or the other, partly because of the WNT
Nelson is pretty unique (and to many, hideous) when she finally hit the water
spring briar
Nelson is pretty unique (and to many, hideous) when she finally hit the water
same with all those "ugly" french pre dreads
they were just new
hindsight is a big issue
eternal veldt
RA Burt nailed my impression of the Nelsons
Extremely intimidating when viewing her front profile
spring briar
eternal veldt
Also, an officer pretty much just said
"If you think she looks ugly, just stand on the forecastle, and try not to feel stunned and proud of her"
solid mango
Im getting the feeling of wanting to Nelsonify Fuso
spring briar
Fuso was a mistake
eternal veldt
Both Ise and Fusou arent exactly the best ships
Tfw Ise's accomodation was likely even more fucked than Fuso
spring briar
I love my boiler magazine bunk
delicate beacon
If you need a 5th turret you're doing something wrong 
spring briar
spring briar
If you need a 5th turret you're doing something wrong <:FormiPout:66611144308660...
looks at Java and Gelderland
eternal veldt
Youre right, no turret 5 needed
Thats why Hyuga blew hers up in 1942 unannounced
They're growing sentient, you see
delicate beacon
eternal veldt
Well... You can turn it into a full CV
But 1) time 2) rengo kantai muh beeg gun wankers
spring briar
Lorraine 1944 vs Fuso
solid mango
Mutsu gun 
spring briar
solid mango
We dont talk abt how it got there
spring briar
is that still there or are the guns now separately displayed?
spring briar
I don't want to visit Japan anymore
eternal veldt
Those are the older turrets IIRC (i.e as built)
Nagato and Mutsu received the improved models from Kaga later
You are not salvaging this shit
eternal veldt
Yea, it was a mix of both
The turret was the old one, the guns were taken from Turret 3 in 1970
spring briar
someone from Drach's server had to remind me of this
I do not condone state terrorism
delicate beacon
Its how they started
spring briar
@eternal veldt what if the Paixhan gun was invented in the 1790's and fielded on the french fleet under napoleon
would it have made a difference at trafalgar or would it still be a win for britain due to the sheer incompetence of the french fleet ?
eternal veldt
Tbh, I'm not as well informed in the age of sail as you might think
spring briar
eternal veldt
But, given that Nelson took ages to break the line and the van was under intense fire for quite a while, probably not good for the RN at the front
Assuming the French doesn't fuck up the reloading and manage to blow themselves up
Also, there's the slight problem of how many you're putting on. The entire combined Franco Spanish fleet? Every ship paixhan guns?
spring briar
the british were slow to adopt paixhan guns so only the franco spannish ships get them
eternal veldt
the british were slow to adopt paixhan guns so only the franco spannish ships ge...
I mean how many for the fleet
eternal veldt
Given how fucked Pacificateur was after getting bullied by Paixhans, I don't think the outcome would be good
In January 1824, Pacificateur was used as a target ship to test new 22 cm canon-obusiers invented by Henri-Joseph Paixhans.[2] The wooden sides of Pacificateur sustained devastating damages from the explosive shell, starting the decline of wooden warships and rise of the ironclads.
spring briar
The Russian Navy was the first to use the guns extensively in combat. At the Battle of Sinop in 1853, Russian ships attacked and annihilated a Turkish fleet with their Paixhans explosive shell guns.[11] The shells penetrated deep inside the wooden planking of Turkish ships, exploding and igniting the hulls.[2] The defeat was instrumental in convincing the naval powers of the shell's efficacy, and hastened the development of the ironclad to counter it.
eternal veldt
As fucked as the Franco Spanish fleet is, IIRC many ships of the RN were still demasted and so
and since it's 1:1 ratio, that means you're looking at 120+ Paixhan guns on Nuestra Senora de la Santisima Trinidad
Belleisle and Africa got screwed up pretty badly even without those advanced guns
Captained by William Hargood, she was the second ship in the British lee column at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805, and as such was engaged by the Franco-Spanish ships Achille, Aigle, Neptune, Fougueux, Santa Ana, Monarca and San Juan Nepomuceno. She was soon completely dismasted (the only British ship which suffered that fate), unable to manœuvre and largely unable to fight, as her sails blinded her batteries, but kept flying her flag for 45 minutes until the British ships behind her in the column came to her rescue.
7 vs 1, oof
delicate beacon
I'm starting to encroach on them with my research
Since I went with achterladers as minimum timestamp for guns.
spring briar
it's a period of time where europe had sufficiently advanced beyond most of the rest of the world
to the point that losses on the european side would probably be negligible in a major campaign against say
Qing
eternal veldt
spring briar
eternal veldt
Sino-French war of 1880 time, are we?
alpine onyx
Nelson is pretty unique (and to many, hideous) when she finally hit the water
Nelson is objectively ugly
Don't @ me
eternal veldt
Konigsbergs are uggo
spring briar
the ugly sisters earned their nickname
eternal veldt
alpine onyx
Oi, leave my K out of this
eternal veldt
Okay, for real, I forgot, why the offset turrets again on the Ks?
alpine onyx
For better forward firing arcs
rugged jetty
cus they can fire while retreating?
eternal veldt
right.
eternal veldt
cus they can fire while retreating?
no, that's more a rationale for the A-XY layout
also adopted on the Shitzigs
alpine onyx
Which kinda worked? The forward angle where only one turret could fire was only 19°, instead of the 60° you'd otherwise expect
rugged jetty
so better firing angles basically?
alpine onyx
Also magazine layout greatly benefitted from the offset arrangement
eternal veldt
Wasn't it 720 degrees maximum rotation?
alpine onyx
Yes
spring briar
it worked so well they reverted to centreline on later designs
alpine onyx
It worked in theory
rugged jetty
kinda like wing turrets'
alpine onyx
In practice, just like shooting over bow or stern, the deck plating and superstructure didn't appreciate guns firing in close proximity
spring briar
how was the impact on the protection
alpine onyx
So can't really claim that it worsened the protection
rugged jetty
Whats up with the kirovs?
eternal veldt
buckled main deck from firing, torpedo striking the propeller of the ship
then, to top it off, designer chief of navy acceptance commission arrested for incompetence
maiden citrus
Have to ask <@125445797448908800> here though since she posted the chart, what i...
1 kgcm squared collapses lungs and near 1.4 fatalities are almost universal
rugged jetty
buckled main deck from firing, torpedo striking the propeller of the ship
wait what? HOW?
eternal veldt
Thanks
maiden citrus
So the top line of pressure/distance in that chart is fatal for most people
maiden citrus
Even the 0.5 figure injures near everyone, though fatalities are common
rugged jetty
what the hell...
eternal veldt
also, looking at Stalin's Ocean Going Fleet
You're all arrested, Soyuz is going well
rugged jetty
Also apparently HMS Hood had a pet goat, which was thrown out a window once.
spring briar
uh
I thought blast pressure changes of about 20 psi (285 kg/cm²)
were lethal
(in 99% of cases)
maiden citrus
Yeah 3 psi is where fatalities start showing up
solid mango
Also apparently HMS Hood had a pet goat, which was thrown out a window once.
Im interested 
eternal veldt
so by the look of things at least 15m was required for even a barrel as small as 15.5cm, correct?
since 0.5 already causes injuries
spring briar
lung damage treshhold is 15 psi
rugged jetty
i'm too lazy to flip to that page on the 921 page book i bought about Hood.
chilly osprey
Also apparently HMS Hood had a pet goat, which was thrown out a window once.
The defenestration of Hood?
maiden citrus
Right, you’d want to be behind it, not have it firing over you
rugged jetty
The defenestration of Hood?
the goat yes.
eternal veldt
Thanks for reminding me how badly injured that Wyoming AA gunner crew is
spring briar
you need like 35 psi to even get into the 1% casualties range
maiden citrus
💀
eternal veldt
one more reason to hate those pole AA masts
spring briar
so humans are pretty tough in that regard
our eardrums not so much sadly
chilly osprey
the goat yes.
Was there some sort of religious conflict on the ship? Was the goat Catholic?
/s
spring briar
5-15 psi eardrum rupture range
rugged jetty
Was there some sort of religious conflict on the ship? Was the goat Catholic?
na it was just a prank by one of the sailors
spring briar
what would injuries at 0.5 psi even be
eternal veldt
Was there some sort of religious conflict on the ship? Was the goat Catholic?
It was to prevent the Welsh sailors from getting a hold of it, clearly.
spring briar
wavy vision?
eternal veldt
spring briar
ringing ears?
rugged jetty
happened near X and Y turret
chilly osprey
It was to prevent the Welsh sailors from getting a hold of it, clearly.
Well in that case I suppose it was an act of mercy :p
maiden citrus
Probably, or being knocked on your butt, just things you can recover from
While injuries start at 3 psi, 20 kills about everyone
chilly osprey
I mean, if you want fresh milk or cheese...
rugged jetty
Yes Hood had a goat. Dreadnaught had a cat, Ark Royal also had a cat. Hood had to be special
spring briar
the paper I source from says 1% casualties at 35 psi
perhaps you're using an even faster blast maka
rugged jetty
also one sentence really stood out in that book
spring briar
spring briar
Is that a Southampton class
rugged jetty
"What a ship! Efficient. Fast. Happy. Beautiful Lines. Good at sport. Football. Running... good at everything. COCK OF THE FLEET!" Former sailer on hood. Anyone know what the last phrase means?
rugged jetty
Is that a Southampton class
USS Pensacola "Heavy Cruiser"
maiden citrus
Yeah I’m using one that combines the windspeed resulting from the overpressure with the overpressure blast itself
solid mango
Lets just say, being near a big gun while it fires is probably not a good thing for you 
delicate beacon
what would injuries at 0.5 psi even be
Getting thrown over board then being captured by the Viet Cong, escape by pretending to be an idiot.
eternal veldt
"What a ship! Efficient. Fast. Happy. Beautiful Lines. Good at sport. Football. ...
Probably the "pride" as usual.
a cock as in a male rooster.
delicate beacon
Fowl
eternal veldt
Especially since Hood's badge...
rugged jetty
Well, the war certainly did humble most of em
spring briar
USS Pensacola "Heavy Cruiser"
disappointed
eternal veldt
yea, it's a bird.
chilly osprey
Unfortunately not many books give coog records of pets on Italian ships
rugged jetty
Though it is certainly interesting to see what the sailors on Hood thought of her
rugged jetty
Duke of York also had a cat
chilly osprey
Though one that does stand out is Lazerotto Malocello's psycho dog, Buby (a scotch terrier)
delicate beacon
I need to find more about Dutch mascots
rugged jetty
So did Prince of Wales, but it went MIA after she sank and the subsequent evacuation from Singapore
eternal veldt
chilly osprey
He would basically attack anyone who wasn't one of the crew
Chased cats off the ship
rugged jetty
Did the cat survive the sinking?
chilly osprey
But the squadron commander
eternal veldt
no idea.
chilly osprey
The crew even had to bail him out of a kennel once
maiden citrus
Used up one life
rugged jetty
Well MIA I guess.
chilly osprey
Fortunately or unfortunately the dog disappeared from the ship before she sailed on her last mission
alpine onyx
Yes Hood had a goat. Dreadnaught had a cat, Ark Royal also had a cat. Hood had t...
Meanwhile the bear on Deutschland
eternal veldt
Kremlin's going to barge in here any moment now with Arkhangelsk's bear
rugged jetty
I'm sorry a bear on Lutzow?
chilly osprey
Oh, yeah, another one that was weird
There was at least one Italian submarine that had a dog on board
rugged jetty
How many bears did the German Armed forces have?
The Luftwaffe JG52 had a Bear and the kriegsmarine too.
alpine onyx
As many bears as we deem necessary
eternal veldt
yeap, Maya
spring briar
where did you get that bear from
eternal veldt
16 April 1944:
Departs Yokosuka for Kure, carrying two E13A1 "Jake" long-range scout planes. Loads troops and material. A monkey, donated to MAYA by the Kure Zoo, is also embarked. During the voyage, the aircrew who care for it teach the monkey to smartly salute the senior officers - much to their annoyance.
eternal veldt
🙈
rugged jetty
Maya and Akagi?
eternal veldt
only remembered Maya.
25 June 1944:
Arrives at Yokosuka for a refit. The aircrew and their pet monkey disembark.
Monkey fortunately gone after 2 months
rugged jetty
I'd doubt the officers would have enjoyed the money business
maiden citrus
Mmm, monkey
eternal veldt
you want Akagi?
tribal mortar
Albion
spring briar
perfide
tribal mortar
Koff Koff CV when
rugged jetty
Oh right, this was when Akagi had the multiple flight decks
maiden citrus
Hamburger cv
rugged jetty
Oh yeah, is the Cheshire gun supposed to be the same BL 9.2 inch naval gun found on coastal emplacements?
spring briar
a much newer model
rugged jetty
Ah.
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
desert agate
the european helicopter project
what crippling reliability/parts supply issues will it have
ivory ridge
i dont think the Mangusta ever had any major issue
or any Leonardo helicopter, tbh
it's mostly the NH90 and the eurocopter
desert agate
just taking the piss lol
delicate beacon
Isn't that joke originally used with Yamaha and motorcycles/keyboards?
tough quail
yes
delicate beacon
Help
Looking for a source about whether the Dutch N-class used 4,7" Mk XII, XII* or XII B
subtle prawn
celest fractal
Was there ever a physical model of the ST-21?
keen zealot
Kresta-II Class, Project 1134A
Guided missile cruiser
rugged jetty
thats a lotta radar
hazy ether
Remembering the brave sailors at the Battle of Samar, 78 years ago today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AdcvDiA3lE&t=1175s&ab_channel=Drachinifel
manic latch
Huuuuuh?
2S38 before Pantsir?
Tho we all know people will use her 57mm for dual purpose but still
The chassis for the 2S38 is a modified BMP-3 AFV with metal floats along the sides of the hull. The chassis has bulletproof armor, although able to withstand some autocannons from the front. The platform itself is quite tall and you will have to look for cover. When properly covered, the advantages of an uninhabited turret are fully revealed, allowing the commander to fire and mark out targets to allies without exposing the crew. With a high power-to-weight ratio and a good maximum speed, the 2S38 is highly mobile on all types of terrain, and the floats make the vehicle amphibious.The disadvantage of the design is the layout of the crew, in one row in front of the full, so that a single tank shot is able to wipe out the entire crew instantly
The 57mm 2A90 automatic gun is a further development of the S-60 series familiar to players from the ZSU-57-2 SPAAG
delicate beacon
Me: why did I ditch navweaps again.
Navweaps: *still only quotes campbell and makes up shit that isnt in the sources*
tough quail
that's
not what I expected but I'll definitely take it
I always thought that was the coolest looking funny ifv they had rolling around in trials
tough quail
it's just very nicely proportioned in general to me
manic latch
Makes it look spiky and I wanna pet it
Yosh
tough quail
turbo Bradley and the bmd-4 getting AA tracking is pretty based too
that said I think it looks nicer with the lighter paint it has in trials
manic latch
@tough quail speaking of AAs. Can you tell me what this thing is? I have never saw this before. Is it custom I wonder
It's like a guy ripped B-29 turret at slap miniguns
tough quail
I dunno either actually, I meant to ask vae, I'll do that in a sec
delicate beacon
It looks like ||it has terrible fc||
manic latch
Unmanned turrets are future
EMBT, Armata, AbramsX, PUMA, this girl, and uhh Chinese stuff I forget it's name
tough quail
there's that weird cock and balls challenger too that was thrown around for a while
strong plank
<@84008086733324288> speaking of AAs. Can you tell me what this thing is? I have...
when you notice the gunner sitting up front
rip hearing
tough quail
i dont think that guy has like
cognitive function anymore
sitting that close would probably lead to your fucking frontal lobe falling off
strong plank
there's like what
manic latch
<@84008086733324288> speaking of AAs. Can you tell me what this thing is? I have...
Wonder how much money this video take
strong plank
3 miniguns there
I saw the vid on twitter
someone tried to calculate the total cost
frigid karma
He’s sane enough to aim it
strong plank
Twitter
tough quail
cheaper than i expected honestly
strong plank
that's assuming every round is a tracer tho, which I doubt
manic latch
https://twitter.com/TacticoolHaru/status/1584778372789387264
Quad? It looks like twin tho
strong plank
there's at least 1 gun on the other side
manic latch
Holy shit its quad
strong plank
you can see the muzzle flash
tough quail
its terrifying that its just uh
manic latch
Other mini is likely at further back
tough quail
a bunch of mini guns
hey sang can we strap four goal keepers together and see what that sounds like
delicate beacon
Which goalkeeper, SEM or SGE?
tough quail
im not familiar with the difference actually, do tell\
delicate beacon
Also just find an A-10 video and play four at once.
tough quail
yeah but the A-10 is cringe
manic latch
hey sang can we strap four goal keepers together and see what that sounds like
Maybe like AK-630Ms 
tough quail
dutch ciws is based
delicate beacon
SEM-30 is the sekrit prototype I'm looking for.
It used 4 30mm Mausers
But Daka was not enough for FC
tough quail
lmfao
tough quail
Maybe like AK-630Ms <a:TohruHarts:998318496918282240>
you're so square AK-630M
fuckin gun obelisk
strong plank
I think the best part of that video is how the miniguns are like
delicate beacon
You can read about it more in my next book, coming to a ethernet cable near you 
strong plank
almost just slapped on
tough quail
yus
manic latch
fuckin gun obelisk
Nations: Gun AAs are dead, we should focus on missile now
Swarm Drones: 
manic latch
Rip barrel life
tough quail
meter deep grooves go
its a worthy tradeoff for being able to like
shoot down the fucking moon
delicate beacon
Tell me when its 3500rpm plus so I can put a Flycatcher on it.
manic latch
meter deep grooves go
Living Metal Grooves
tough quail
the fact more people are actually moving to the 30mm on tanks is truly blessed
at last the timeline corrects itself
frigid karma
76mm ciws minigun
Might just break the ship apart
And missiles are cooler anyways
manic latch
Might just break the ship apart
If this thing is fine like this 76mm
tough quail
smol friend
tough quail
yaes
spring briar
brrrrr
ivory ridge
we just need to get the 76mm up to minigun rof
We just need more 76mm
tough quail
always more
spring briar
all calibers that end in 7 are chad
except 77mm used on the A43 comet
which was trash
and wasn't even 77mm
ivory ridge
tough quail
man i cant post it here because it directly references [current conflict] but one of the most brain numbing takes i keep seeing is that fune soviet tanks are bad because they have really thin side armor
...even though they're literally top of the class in that regard
manic latch
man i cant post it here because it directly references [current conflict] but on...
NATO tanks: sweating
frigid karma
...side armor?
manic latch
...side armor?
Armor behind and above tracks
frigid karma
no i know what that is
ivory ridge
Sovraponte my beloved
frigid karma
it's just
most of the discourse i've seen hasn't focused on side armor
everyone agrees everyone's modern side armor is trash
tough quail
its a discourse i see a loooot
frigid karma
you must go on some interesting forums then
tough quail
lotta real tank understanders coming out of the woodwork
manic latch
What might have been 
frigid karma
good god that looks hideous
tough quail
i think it literally came up in the lore server lmao
manic latch
i think it literally came up in the lore server lmao
Man I'm banned there
Because I said hi
manic latch
good god that looks hideous
Try me
manic latch
Try me
• GD proposal to use GE Cased Telescoped ORDALT 35mm weapon system.
• 8 barrels.
• 8000rpm.
• Balanced linkless feed holding 1200 APDS rounds.
• Nearly 6x on target energy per shot compared with 20mm Phalanx.
• Dispersion of less than 1mrad.
• MV greater than 1130m/s.
tough quail
you're not missing too much you dont just get here
besides like
one guy talking about welding
tough quail
lets maybe not do this
because qwerty as usual cannot be trusted to not escalate like a dipshit
strong plank
man i cant post it here because it directly references [current conflict] but on...
the lack of working ERA probably doesn't help
frigid karma
regal, stop
strong plank
no I mean, in terms of people's conceptions
tough quail
we're not talking about the events directly
manic latch
the lack of working ERA probably doesn't help
But
Even without ERA it's still more than NATO plates
That's the problem here
strong plank
I feel like most times you see modern tanks going and doing stuff they've got their sides lined with ERA
so issues with that wouldn't help people's perceptions about its armor
manic latch
Only TUSK use ERA for Abrams right. All other variants doesn't have it
manic latch
True but. Only saw it on Tusk
spring briar
slaps ERA on Krem
manic latch
frigid karma
[armor was too thin]
tough quail
tusk is a field kit, not an actual variant
tough quail
its like
manic latch
What was Puma's side armor
tough quail
think of it this way
spring briar
the puma has the 50mm gun right?
manic latch
35
spring briar
oh
tough quail
slapping K5 on a T-80B doesn't make it a T-80U
strong plank
no cap I'm in class rn, my prof just dropped a take
spring briar
so ERA in WW2 confirmed
strong plank
'the T-34 was the best tank of the war because speed'
manic latch
no cap I'm in class rn, my prof just dropped a take
Why are you always in class like 7/24
desert agate
tough quail
thats
desert agate
this shit is crazy
spring briar
why is your prof teaching the 2nd world war?
tough quail
thats a very bizarre take
manic latch
'the T-34 was the best tank of the war because speed'
He should have said BT-7 then wtf
strong plank
why is your prof teaching the 2nd world war?
Russian History post-1800
spring briar
desert agate
https://twitter.com/dewszt/status/1584614280720441344?t=GxsNZsswZha8UxiOWZrlSA&s...
firing an ak from horseback while a nuke detonates in the background
desert agate
what the fuck is going on in here
tough quail
thats an even weirder take in that context
strong plank
"and then it got worse"
tough quail
what the fuck is going on in here
china growing larger
manic latch
what the fuck is going on in here
tough quail
ayyy
desert agate
china growing larger
china will grow larger
manic latch
<@688903088819404825> BATTLE OF SINOP
tough quail
is this why the US hates france so much
spring briar
then france was like
puts armor on ships
hehe
tough quail
because whenever france collabs with russia they always win
strong plank
thats an even weirder take in that context
you ever hear something that just makes you sit up suddenly
tough quail
you ever hear something that just makes you sit up suddenly
you could technically roundabout it back into something reasonable by like
appealing to average speed
in the sense that it's piss easy to keep fueled and in running order and isnt weighed down by useless bullshit
spring briar
tell him that the T-34 was amazing because it perfectly fit in the russian definition of good = easy to repair and just the bare necessity?
because that's what you should tell him
spring briar
T-34 have gun
T-34 have expected distance travelled of 150 km ---> engine break down after 150 km on average
T-34 have angled armor of high hardness
tough quail
it's just well rounded in general, and didnt fall into the weird logistical trap the sherman did which is why i rate it a smiiidge higher
spring briar
tough quail
i saw that
strong plank
the same way the sherman was for the US
spring briar
manic latch
IS-2 fans
says she has 122mm HE
ignores literally all armor
doesn't get wanked or shamed to death by forums
wins the war
leaves
spring briar
you saw nill
tough quail
they're both utterly fantastic mediums of the period
spring briar
sherman
strong plank
anything but the covenanter
manic latch
Firefly
tough quail
their weirdo tanks series were useful for giving them plenty of design experience to actually get good
spring briar
the whole point of the m3 grant was to be a temporary stopgap until the shermans were available
so clearly the sherman
spiral cedar
And then you stuff the Sherman full of ammo 
spring briar
then there's also the comet and cromwell that kind of fit the role but are of british manufacture
manic latch
because whenever france collabs with russia they always win
Or UK 
spring briar
tough quail
to be fair to the british they and the US kinda played leapfrog when it comes to good tanks™️ for a bit
spring briar
in that case it's mostly the russians able to trade land for attrition
like they did in 1942
spring briar
(and a tiny bit the winter)
tough quail
Or UK <:cat:1026207872633282591>
thats russia vs france though, one has to lose
together? they always win
its science
strong plank
prof's ppt: "what can be said without controversy is that by the time of WWII, the soviet economy had been industrialized to the point that the Soviets could resist the German invasion"
spring briar
france only loses when it's all v france or when france allies austria
tough quail
as soon as the luftwaffe started running into french aces in yaks
they knew it was all over
manic latch
prof's ppt: "what can be said without controversy is that by the time of WWII, t...
Yeah it caused Soviets to pop out Planes and tanks
Without those factories uhhh
Well
strong plank
right but it wasn't really at that state at the start of the war
spring briar
everybody gangsta until france and britain ally in the 1860's
(and the US)
(technically)
tough quail
to be fair to the british they and the US kinda played leapfrog when it comes to...
the US gets the Good Tank™️ time in the sun with the sherman, and then the UK takes it back with the Centurion when M46/47s start shitting themselves en masse
spring briar
tough quail
then the chieftain gets an actual tumor for an engine
spring briar
we do a little trolling
tough quail
and the ball goes back to the M60
tough quail
china grows smaller
manic latch
right but it wasn't really at that state at the start of the war
Kinda ish. Germans attacked at Third 5 year plan stage
manic latch
Kinda ish. Germans attacked at Third 5 year plan stage <:Sadge:75750058677711675...
We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.
— Joseph Stalin (likely 1920s)
strong plank
the US gets the Good Tank™️ time in the sun with the sherman, and then the UK ta...
To be fair the whole army was having a bruh moment at that point
spring briar
China: we have survived hardships and war for centuries and are now on our strongest heavenly mandate yet!
Europe:
tough quail
yeah thats not really a big criticism