history

[spiral cedar]

Which suggests the rules as written ought to be clarified, as they are not sufficiently clear as stated in the pinned message

[maiden citrus]

I mean we already have it where the topics overlap so much and it's just confusing between the two

[spiral cedar]

If I, a person with reading comprehension, can see that it’s not written with sufficient specificity, then you can’t really expect the average ALO user to do much better, can you

[eager dove]

😆

[spiral cedar]

Communication is a two-way street, and if the moderation team cannot write the rules in such a way that a majority of the intended audience can tell if they are in compliance with the rules or not, then the rules are poorly written

[humble mulch]

Again it's clearly stated it's allowed as long as it's grounded in history Jaba, which much of that conversation wasn't

The conversation derailed, which is normal and fine

[spiral cedar]

Is stating that Musashi’s gun barrels (which are historical) were insufficiently visible considered “grounded in history?”

Or is it “art” and “off topic”

[delicate beacon]

It's yes.

[humble mulch]

Yes thats fine, as they are conversations on historical accuracy and rigging or not properly showing them at all

[maiden citrus]

I suppose you have the most experience in the debate

[delicate beacon]

Once you start talking about clothes instead of rigging its lore.

[spiral cedar]

Good to know! I’ll make sure anyone unsure will know that’s the standard of interpretation, then

[delicate beacon]

But rigging also belongs in lore because reasons.

Unless they're updating that now

[maiden citrus]

do kan-sen consider rigging clothes like shoes

cursed

[delicate beacon]

Thats a question for lore.

[humble mulch]

I'm more so addressing bring up personally and the like as thats a tangent that to many might not feel it belongs here

[spring briar]

N… non delay APC

Maka

Shoot me

[maiden citrus]

I would but I was making a comparison of what goes in history vs lore and confused myself a little

since ships in al history are supposedly for lore, but we have a pinned q and a post that was relevant for a kan-sen addition in history, things have gotten very convoluted

[delicate beacon]

I'm quite sure that if someone were to shoot Richie they'd be criticising the projectile and giving a 2h lecture on the best material and method to use.

[maiden citrus]

I will shoot you with a clown pie that has no delay

so it splats on your face

[spring briar]

Whipped cream

Delicious

[maiden citrus]

we have turned the ap shell into an he shell

[delicate beacon]

AP stands for Apple Pie

[humble mulch]

Yeah there's a massive fucking overlap between both channel. But this still isn't exactly a "lore 2.0". You guys are fine for the most part as I trust your guys judgment. Just please watch the tangents

[spring briar]

Truly a 1910’s moment

[humble mulch]

If you wanna go over personalities compared to historical figures thats cool, like PoWs and king Edwards I think?

[maiden citrus]

how much of a angle do you test for

'well the pie should splat at all angles or it's not funny' - the clown navy

[spring briar]

Honestly tho

They should’ve called me

Penetration and succesful post armor bursting guaranteed

[delicate beacon]

Now test against cemented cardboard.

[maiden citrus]

have a cutie pie

[spiral cedar]

How about ceramic

[maiden citrus]

honestly, test it against fry bag 'cut here' lines

because they're bs to cut or penetrate

[spring briar]

Well it would likely act like the 8” type 91 that struck Sodak’s belt near the deck

[ivory ridge]

Middle finger

[strong plank]

the

[spring briar]

Kinda turning the cemented layer into splinters around the hole kinda shoved inwards

[strong plank]

the Veneto circumcision

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

when you got the 50 caliber and its home boys, the 25 calibers

[spring briar]

Sounds like a prison break film that morgan freeman would narrate

[maiden citrus]

opinion on this bote

[spring briar]

Veneto crawled through 500 yards of shit and came out clean on the other side

[delicate beacon]

Looks cute

[frigid karma]

a mast to rival weser and fuso

[delicate beacon]

But I like my Dutch gunboats a little more

[frigid karma]

cute

[spring briar]

Very smol

[delicate beacon]

Especially K1-9

[maiden citrus]

the child

[ivory ridge]

Not boat

[maiden citrus]

would you care to provide an example

[spring briar]

Hol up

That logo

[delicate beacon]

Phone so sec

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

the legendary apen

[spring briar]

I rate the bote BB APC proof

(Overpenned)

[maiden citrus]

remember kids the less armor you have

[maiden citrus]

the better you do in the war simulators™

because the inside of the ship is hollow and nothing important is in there

[delicate beacon]

The Dutch small boats are armoured as heck

[spring briar]

I mean in this case IRL it would still make a very nice clean hole

Like Massa left on JB

Or Kiri on Sodak

[maiden citrus]

this looks wonderful actually, it's so symmetric

[tribal mortar]

Audace?

[ivory ridge]

Francesco Mimbelli

DDA class, still in commission

[spring briar]

Doink

[ivory ridge]

(Even if uhhh, her AA missiles shelf life is expired, so she is currently just a gun boat)

The DDX class can't come soon enough

(Reposting old pictures because I'm bored)

[strong plank]

DDX like what the USN is pitching or something else?

or is that DDGX

[ivory ridge]

DDG(X) was zumwalt

[strong plank]

No Zumwalt was DD(X)

[ivory ridge]

Ah wait yeah

DD(X) was Zum

DDX are the new italian DDs

And DDG(X) the new American DDs

[strong plank]

gotcha

[ivory ridge]

Nice throwback

/s

can i post this without getting bonked if i dont say anything else

@chilly osprey

[manic latch]

I mean he is right about Grigos, and Admiral Isakov of Gorshkov class will join Black Sea fleet in a year or so

But yeah about the older girl. That refit wasn't really that dramatic change

Maybe her sister in Mediterranean will replace her place in Black Sea fleet later

[chilly osprey]

Yeah I had made that comment before I learned that the refit was basically just them flogging her for a few more years of service

Though I'd still stand by the rest of it, barring perhaps greater questions about the material readiness of even modern platforms

[strong plank]

“Modern naval guns are useless” mfs when I annihilate their rubber dinghy with VLS-launched tomahawks

[chilly osprey]

It's not like the Black Sea Fleet is some kind of juggernaut, but the capabilities of its modern-ish ships aren't inconsiderable

[manic latch]

Yeah was speaking of getting scrapped in 2018

Refit was trying to add more juice to her lifespan

[strong plank]

So somehow I never heard that Nevada used guns from Arizona when it conducted its latewar shore bombardments?

boy that adds another layer to it doesn’t it

[maiden citrus]

yee

[spiral cedar]

@strong plank

[manic fractal]

i thought it people say ibuki is fake for PR1

[ivory ridge]

My brother in christ this is like the third time you bring this up

are you a troll or just stupid

[manic fractal]

who did teach you how to troll or call me stupid it nothing do with me

i don’t interest it

[ivory ridge]

for the Nth time

that's not

the same

ship

[manic fractal]

That all you got ? I dont want argue

[ivory ridge]

what the fuck do you mean "that's all you got"

we told you THREE TIMES already

[manic fractal]

Because of you keep troll me for reason

[ivory ridge]

i swear to god

[manic fractal]

i already show you once but too stubborn

i has nothing do with you

[humble mulch]

@manic fractal buddy please don't be the first person I have to hit

[manic fractal]

sure

[ivory ridge]

My brother in christ

do you have eyes?

a brain?

some form of object permanence?

[humble mulch]

Unde please calm down lmao

But yeah all PR ships are from wows and are based off planned ship designes to entirely fake ships

There is a pinned document going over PR ships and their history

[spiral cedar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_corvette_Yamato
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_(BB-4)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_(SP-790)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Deutschland_(1904)

[cinder escarp]

post rare sub time

This is the sole Pr. 877V, the Alrosa

It's a regular Kilo/Paltus but with poompjet

[ivory ridge]

[sullen canyon]

It's like there has to be an Enterprise for USN and the HMS it seems

[strong plank]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Ibuki_(1943)

[maiden citrus]

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9666481

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 how many of these types of interactions are we gonna end up with

[sharp crag]

when are we gonna get an ice cream barge azur lane ship

[ivory ridge]

never

[maiden citrus]

hopefully soon

[zealous vine]

Lmao

[tough quail]

is tea the one that wanted to make history public too

[maiden citrus]

no

you think he wanted more work

[zealous vine]

Didnt the us have this?

[tough quail]

thats what he's referencing

[zealous vine]

Searched it up.. USS Quartz

Wouldn't it be cool that if she were implemented, mood consumption in all fleets will decrease..

[maiden citrus]

the grinding dream

[zealous vine]

Why only boost morale on land when you can bring the joy to sea

[shrewd pecan]

we already had one bot account advertising a esex server so

get ready for the worse I suppose

[zealous vine]

Are u comparing the solove guy? That guy doesn't seem as worse as the bot you mentioned..

[tough quail]

im just going to go back to talking about nothing but soviet casemate tanks like last year

[maiden citrus]

esex server or essex server

[eternal veldt]

Has the channel collapsed yet

[maiden citrus]

not quite

[tough quail]

268 my beloved

[zealous vine]

[maiden citrus]

filename relevant

[tough quail]

likewise

[tribal mortar]

I want this now

[tough quail]

still horrifying but not quite as much

[strong plank]

yes

[shrewd pecan]

needs a AMX-13 turret

[tough quail]

tru

[desert agate]

Far from intervening to put a stop to it, General Hamilton, who has established headquarters above W Beach, gives an order of his own, commanding that the whole line, reinforced by the Australians, should on the stroke of 5.30 fix bayonets and storm Krithia and Achi Baba

The first that the Australian command in Brigade Headquarters knows of it is at 4.55 pm, when, just before they are about to have a refreshing chai, a message is handed to Major Walter Cass from Albury ordering the 2nd Brigade to attack at 5.30 pm. The message is staggering.

Charles Bean, recently having received his formal accreditation as a war correspondent, has scrambled to be given permission ‘to come off with the 2nd Brigade’ and would report, ‘This message, received at such short notice that it was doubtful whether it was humanly possible to comply with it, flung an infantry brigade of the A.I.F. for the first and only time in the earlier years of the war into an ordered attack across open country.’

Composite Division Commander General Paris has another request from General Hamilton. ‘Have you any bands with you?’ enquires Paris, hopefully. (General Hamilton likes bands to help make a bit of a display as they attack, so as to encourage their French Senegalese brethren.)
‘None …’
‘Well, have you any colours?’
‘No …’
‘You have bayonets, at any rate,’ Paris asserts, noting again that Sir Ian Hamilton – after the soldiers have finished charging two miles across open country in the face of entrenched enemy armed with machine-guns and artillery – would like them to use this weapon as much as they can.
‘I do not even know,’ McCay replies, ‘if it will be possible to carry out the order in time.’ ‘It has got to be done,’ Paris says flatly, before hanging up.

reminder of that time at Gallipoli that Hamilton tried to organise a brigade level attack in 30 minutes

[daring kestrel]

T-10 hull never looked better

[tough quail]

[desert agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_(1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_(D48)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_(R17)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_(FFG_03)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_(DDG_42)

sorry i think i left the ping on

[ivory ridge]

skill issue

[frigid karma]

not soon enough

[desert agate]

so true unde

so, so true

[frigid karma]

one time i proposed that said ice cream ship would produce ice cream by literally shitting it out of her

got me banned from a server

[ivory ridge]

doing something like this would've been easier

[desert agate]

please make it two

[frigid karma]

you are scared of the truth

[desert agate]

okay but i didnt

so

two of the only three battle honours awarded in the 20th century for an action involving a single opposing ship
👀

holy fuck i totally forgot how rare single ship actions are

[frigid karma]

also

sydney would end up sinking the first emden, then escorting the second one to her death

Imagine her interaction with emden ingame

[desert agate]

ideally gay

like massa and jb

[frigid karma]

ew no

i want her to call emden a cunt nonstop

enough of that "har har they sank each other irl so they're gay for each other ingame" nonsense

[desert agate]

Emden (1914), Bismarck (1941), Kormoran (1941) are the only three single ship action battle honours awarded in the 20th century

hang on

what about spee

[desert agate]

wdym thats just australian courtship

[frigid karma]

then why do you never call haruna a cunt

hmm?

[ivory ridge]

Spee didn't really fight when chased did she

She just kinda killed herself

[desert agate]

she put up a good fight against exeter

but makes sense ig

fucking wikipedia

[ivory ridge]

Lol

[desert agate]

lol

lmao, even

[ivory ridge]

I spot a parsecboy

[frigid karma]

kek, reminds me of this:
https://www.kbismarck.com/archives/survivor-reports.pdf

Kaptänleutnant von Müllenheim-Rechberg, when interrogated, ventured the opinion that “Bismarck” could still have held her own against “Rodney” and “King George V” had not a shell from, he believed H.M.S. “Dorsetshire”, hit the Main Control Position. This blew out “Bismarck’s” brains. Main armament was then put into local control and von Müllenheim-Rechberg moved to “B” turret which was ordered to engage H.M.S. “Dorsetshire”. Only one salvo was fired. The gun’s crew had become thoroughly demoralised and mutinied and left the turret saying: “We are not going to stay here for target practice.” Müllenheim-Rechberg also left the turret. Similar scenes were taking place all over the ship for at this time “Bismarck” was taking terrific punishment.

According to one prisoner one officer drew his revolver and shot down some of the crew when they refused to obey him. Turret after turret was silenced, and communications were wrecked. Shell after shell hit the upper deck which was speedily reduced to a mass of twisted steel scourged ever again by fresh shells. Fires had broker out amidships and aft. Sheets of flame were pouring out of the funnel and the ship’s four aircraft were also burning. One shot snapped the mainmast which spun down over the quarter deck creating fresh carnage. Slowly the ship began to heel to port, water began to pour below through ventilators on the port side, water also rendering two port secondary armament turrets useless. Below on the Battery Deck ratings fought to escape with others who jammed the companionways, afraid to run the gauntlet of fire sweeping the decks above. The order to “Abandon Ship” never reached many parts of the vessel. Groups of men acted independently for themselves, but many such groups were blown to pieces before they could leave the ship.

As regards the final phase of the destruction of the “Bismarck” a conversation between two prisoners is worthy of notice. One remarked that a number of members of Germany’s Propaganda Kompanie were on board who filmed the scenes during the last battle. His companion said: “If that film was ever shown in Germany there would be no more volunteers for the German Navy.”!

[desert agate]

what a shame that the film didnt survive the sinking

[frigid karma]

honestly

that film would've been blurry as fuck anyways

bit hard to maintain a steady filming hand when the entire fucking ship is being constantly shaken by shells of all calibers

[strong plank]

Fellas

[frigid karma]

ooh

[thorny jewel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies

[delicate beacon]

[zealous vine]

Wouldn't that have still emphasized how bad it was

[frigid karma]

it still shocks me to this day that George W Bush almost got fucking eaten by the japanese

[shrewd pecan]

yup

[desert agate]

<@&472236072743600148>

[shrewd pecan]

this is the height of AL history

[frigid karma]

heresy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007978980340670536/1022155022311637072/cellcrowd4.gif

imagine needing sex when you have essex

[desert agate]

<@&460646206851252224>

[exotic timber]

Removed

[desert agate]

oops

[exotic timber]

It's fine

[sullen canyon]

[exotic timber]

[desert agate]

thx mods

ban that nerd

[exotic timber]

They already got banned in a different channel

[frigid karma]

strongest essex opponent

[shrewd pecan]

"send in the 2nd porn ad bot"

[desert agate]

sir a second porn server invite that hit ALO

[sullen canyon]

And this is why I was worried to make this club public

[shrewd pecan]

WAKE UP THEY HIT AL HISTORY!

we will suffer a third impact

[frigid karma]

a

a

a honkai impact third?

[shrewd pecan]

no a evangelion one where we get turnt into soup

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/460931-m1-cattb/
Regarding my earlier adventure, as much as I hate using war thunder forums as a source

rough stats for the M1 Thumper/M1 CATTB

[frigid karma]

war thunder forums are perfect as a source

literally primary sources with how often docs get leaked

[shrewd pecan]

yeah all of its sources for those specs are either facebook posts or a russian website I do not want to visit

I don't think I will ever find accurate armor stats for the CATTB

nor do I think the specs used in that forum post are accurate since its suppose to have M1A2 level protection

[craggy falcon]

Went to an airshow today. Found this on display.

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fairey_Firefly

[shrewd pecan]

tho, steel beasts is still a good enough source for rough armor numbers

especially if I'm going with M1A2 rough equivalent

[cinder escarp]

please, no it's really not

It's atrocious

the Abrams UFP is 38mm @ 82 degrees

[shrewd pecan]

it horribly inflates everything I know

[cinder escarp]

There's no "943mm KE" ))

My favorite to laugh at is their leopard 1 armor figures

[shrewd pecan]

ah yes

leopard 1 with armor

[cinder escarp]

Lots of protection for 30-70mm plates

[shrewd pecan]

lemme

find the Swede trials

[cinder escarp]

Welp I must get to bed 😦

[shrewd pecan]

tho I wonder

Swede trials have public numbers for the STRV-122s hull

do they have it for the abrams hull

[cinder escarp]

(it's an early LeClerc, pre-serie 1, later ones are much better)

The hull numbers were in there too

[shrewd pecan]

I'm pretty sure

that's export armor for the turret

[shrewd pecan]

considering the special armor scheme in that one was intended to be as effective as DU armor

tho the hull armor specs should be accurate in that one document

🤨 people really tryna use the basic export armor in the Swede trials to say abrams bad

what the hell did they do to the abrams hull with the Swede armor man

[frigid karma]

@ivory ridge vittorio giving someone the middle finger

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJLgMRYK2fE

[spiral cedar]

@frigid karma

[frigid karma]

[tepid mulch]

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/america-banned-sliced-bread

Sliced bread is now illegal in this channel

[manic latch]

Wait

[manic latch]

Undef already did that joke

[rich yacht]

<@&460646206851252224>

<@&472236072743600148>

[exotic timber]

[spiral cedar]

Twice in a day huh

[manic latch]

Channel is Public now

[zealous vine]

[manic latch]

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ausa_2022_news/leonardo_drs_unveils_at_ausa_2022_c-uas_counter_unmanned_aerial_system_base_on_stryker_armored_vehicle.html

fitted with a remotely operated weapon station designed by the company Moog which is armed with one 30mm automatic cannon and one 7.62mm coaxial machine gun mounted on the left side of the turret. On each side of the turret, there are two launcher containers able to fire surface-to-air missiles.

The Leonardo DRS Stryker C-UAS also integrates RADA tactical radar system providing enhanced fire control and air surveillance capabilities that can detect and track all types of aerial threats including Nano drones and short-range indirect fire.

[desert agate]

?

how is this channel related?

[manic latch]

Bro what is that

Wall models?

[alpine onyx]

Maybe bits of historical walls

Like Berlin Wall

[desert agate]

those are prototypes for a certain previous US administrations uhm... southern infrastructure project

yeah or you could just be blatant about it

[eternal veldt]

Much history

[desert agate]

indeed

so historical it was a grand total of... 2-3 years ago

[eternal veldt]

We can talk about a different kind of wooden walls though

L i n i e n s c h i f f e

[alpine onyx]

Wall of Berlin should work here aye?

Rule of thumb for me is that anything that's taught in school as history counts as history

[desert agate]

gosh i mean its not like this isnt in the first pinned message

[alpine onyx]

and is an indicator of whether or not you're old

[maiden citrus]

[eternal veldt]

Could use a date if you know this one.

Very grand display.

Seems to be forming into line ahead too.

[manic latch]

Wall is damn old so ye. Like China wall its should be fine

[eternal veldt]

If that topic has lingering political effects, it should not be discussed, it's not that hard

[maiden citrus]

Looks like 1931 config, I’m on my iPad in bed but it’s possible it’s the 1935 parade

[humble mulch]

@tribal mortar please refrain from posting political/insensitive things in here, just a verbal mate so please don’t worry and try not to do it again for me

[tribal mortar]

Ok

[rapid junco]

I think that's maybe a P47 flying over

[last lance]

what is that?

[sullen canyon]

Want to say a model scale of a figurehead on a ship of sorts, aside from that I can't tell you

[ivory ridge]

no it's the actual figurehead of Giulio Cesare

[sullen canyon]

So I was half right

[frigid karma]

moderators really lessening their workload

[spring briar]

I hab returne

[delicate beacon]

Welcome back.

[spring briar]

What happne

[delicate beacon]

Nothing

So the usual

[spring briar]

Well glad you’re here sang

[delicate beacon]

[thorny scarab]

For how long is the question

[spring briar]

Pin we’re just having a nice chat

[delicate beacon]

Depends on when I start leaking state secrets about shells.

[spring briar]

Type 91 pog

[prime hawk]

Wings are a bit curved, probably a corsair

Or a British fighter for what I know

[delicate beacon]

My next book is already 44 pages / 6600 words

[maiden citrus]

keep it up friend

[delicate beacon]

I still need to refind the source that mentioned what the swedes did to the 15cm Bofors M/42

whether they changed the loading and the reboring.

[spring briar]

inshallah

Keter class shell

[delicate beacon]

Is that a ramjet shell

[spring briar]

Yes

[delicate beacon]

A perfect projectile for my spacegun.

If what I read is correct Tromp's guns are heavier than De Rooter

[spring briar]

Unconscious thought barrier vs boundless insight shell

Who wins

[maiden citrus]

boundless insight

[strong plank]

Sang boutta shoot down the arsenal bird

[spring briar]

I do believe the boundless insight shell is only usable on the conscious layer. But it could also be usable in the future once the human thought cone has expanded more into the perceived knowledge layer…

[rapid junco]

Thing is
We didn't operate Corsairs (apart from the observation biplane)
And that is on Ilha Grande

[prime hawk]

Then the only thing that comes to mind to who had curved wings employed at that period is Britain

[rapid junco]

That is on post WW2 btw

Maybe it is going to make a left turn
And that gives the impression of curved wings

[delicate beacon]

It reminds me of a firebrand with different engine

[desert agate]

it's a jug

thats not a gull wing

and some p-47 variants have a distinctive upper tapering of the wing

you can also see the distinctive engine cowling

[prime hawk]

welp darn

[desert agate]

Corsair engine cowling is round

P-47s have a very distinctive egg shaped cowling

[zealous vine]

"The wartime experiences also demanded removal of unnecessary equipment that might have been retained in peacetime; thus off went the boat cranes and ships boats that had been stored amidships"

Let me guess, food for fires?

(this was one of the "upgrades" of the Juneau class)

[manic latch]

Weight saving likely

For example New Orleans class was damn overweight in 1945 because of new AA and Radar etc on top she got in time

Despite removal of her planes catapults etc

[somber knoll]

also to simplify maintenance

and no, unless they were handled improperly

[zealous vine]

Right..

[maiden citrus]

boat cranes and ships boats also restricted weapon firing arcs too

[manic latch]

Yep

And if not. If they are close to barrel boats may shatter

[maiden citrus]

so if the ship was at war and expected to see combat, off they go

[stiff sinew]

And if they were on board during war times, iirc they just dumped them into the ocean before battle and picked them up should they find them again.

[eternal veldt]

They're most likely dumped off without hesitation.

The Littorios offloaded all their boats prior to sortieing to maintain the excellent firing angles.

[keen zealot]

SU-101, An experimental tank destroyer that was intended to replace the SU-100. In April–May 1945, two prototypes were built and passed trials. the project succeed but it was cancelled later after the war.

[manic latch]

[manic fractal]

ijn suruga is real ?

[ivory ridge]

She is a planned kii class but she was never laid down

She isnt even one of the 2 of the class that were named

[manic fractal]

oh i see

[manic latch]

Gaijin please

[ivory ridge]

Cute little things

Pretty heavily armed for their size

[manic latch]

Smoller Gorshkovs

[tribal mortar]

Ulyanovsk

[manic latch]

Would be first non American supercarrier

Oh well

[cinder escarp]

Define supercarrier

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It's big

Isn't that what makes British call QE a super

Being on 65k Tons

[delicate beacon]

Merchant size and population size

[cinder escarp]

That's just UK cope

It's a big harrier barge

[manic latch]

Isn't Fujian supercarrier then

[cinder escarp]

Like in terms of capabilities, the first non-US would probably be Charlie the Frank.

Which is pretty much just a slower, smaller US CVN in terms of equipment and capability.

[cinder escarp]

003 / Fujian is basically equivalent to a modernized Kitty Hawk.

[spiral cedar]

What’s the white bar

With colonies?

[delicate beacon]

Ye

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1031714294968107068/IMG_1289.png
It didnt last long

[shrewd pecan]

damn

now its worthless weight

ACTUALLY SCRATCH THAT

yeah side eat Kornets that the turret armor can't even stop

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can someone tells me what this means i don't play wt

[delicate beacon]

From what I can gather:
Russian devs made game accurate
Russian devs noticed US stuff stronger in some respects than SU vehicle.
Russian devs "fixed" it.

[shrewd pecan]

so they reduced its effectiveness against APFSDS

and for some reason now it stops ATGMs that no armor in game can stop besides it for some reason

[cinder escarp]

It's anti-HEAT ERA

It's not supposed to do well against long rods

Note: the side ERA on the late CR2s has the same thing going on

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but uhhh

nothing in game can stop kornet besides ARAT now apparently

[cinder escarp]

Sure, a few things can, like the super-ultra-anti-HEAT ERA on late CR2s.

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 because apparently Russia needed a squadron vehicle with the most broken ATGMs in game

[frigid karma]

what else is new

[cinder escarp]

The frontal armor of the Strv 122s also offers great protection, the CR2's turret cheeks can stop them..

Kornet isn't even the strongest ATGM in game

[rapid junco]

I don't know if i made this question before
There was many coal fired ships operating in WWI? (on the main navies)
Compared to the oil fired ones?

[delicate beacon]

Logistics

Besides the coal is armour meme, there were many many more coal ports than oil ports.

[rapid junco]

It's more to prove my point

Like
People saying
"The ships we sent in the Naval Division were all crap because they were all coal fired"

And i always argue

"But oil fired boilers were a fairly recent invention. And the transition to full oil burning fleets probably took part in the 1920s"

[delicate beacon]

Even most German oil fired designs still had coal boilers mixed in because logistics

[rapid junco]

And another thing
They also say they were all "old"
Well, there were ships from the late 19th century and early 20th century operating on the navies at that time?
I don't think ships with 8 years of age are "old"
Which was mostly what the DNOG were composed

[delicate beacon]

8 is not old, though not really young either.

Ships have a life expectancy of like 12 years for destroyers and 20 for Battleships or something

[rapid junco]

Well
Today is more i think

[delicate beacon]

It depends really

[rapid junco]

But we are talking of the 1910s though

[delicate beacon]

Nowadays you can refit more easily

[shrewd pecan]

it can punch through the STRV-122s cheeks and the chally 2s turret

[delicate beacon]

But a Battleship, even if it obsolesces a bit, is still a Battleship

[shrewd pecan]

there's a few points on the leo 2 and STRV-122 that may stop it, but majority of the cheek is gonna pen

[cinder escarp]

Only in some cases, tato. In the case of the 122, it has to be lined up perfectly.

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ I still wonder why the BMP-2M isn't just a straight up 11.0 IFV for the soviets

[cinder escarp]

BRs are set purely on win/lose stats

[shrewd pecan]

and the BMP-2M wins at any BR it fights at

[rapid junco]

Maybe it was the case for our dreadnoughts

[shrewd pecan]

there is literally no tank in game that it can't punch through, and its able to fire said ATGMs on the move

[rapid junco]

Like
The main reason the British rejected them for service in the Home Fleet
Was because they lacked a fire control system
Still, they were battleships

[shrewd pecan]

like looking at it against my STRV-122B, if it gets the ATGMs off its gonna win that engagement

[silver crest]

Adolf Hitler sent Joseph Stalin a telegram on his sixtieth birthday wishing him "good health and a happy future for the peoples of the friendly Soviet Union."

[spiral cedar]

Friends close, enemies closer

[eternal veldt]

https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/blogs/sovereign-about-us-research-and-development/royal-navy-interwar-china-station-versus-east-indies-station

[tough quail]

oh good that was fucking nonsense

[eternal veldt]

Buff colour begone

[shrewd pecan]

even compared to this?

[strong plank]

Something something Stalin having a panic attack upon hearing about Barbarossa

[delicate beacon]

Didn't he order everyone to calm down and refuse to believe it was actually happening at first?

[frigid karma]

then had a panic attack for the next few hours

he was in total denial for a bit

[manic latch]

Sang

Buffing something while nerfing its other thing doesn't mean weaker

[delicate beacon]

Yes?

[manic latch]

Armor is weaker to APFDS now yes. But stronger to ATGMS. Which makes more sense

Given this thing expected to fight against RPGs etc

[delicate beacon]

Yeah, I just saw the raw values of the first screen

[manic latch]

This was his reaction irrc.

When your plan A fails while never having a plan B

[manic latch]

Something to think about

Hms Glorious some reason have 305mm guns

Likely a placeholders for 381mm

Or it would be weird

[silver crest]

the farther you go back, the more german english becomes

no wonder it's called a germanic language

[silver crest]

he was warned so many times but he was still adamant that the funny mustache man won't declare war and start a two-front war

[manic latch]

I think Stalin knew how stupid move it would be for him to wage war on British and Union at same time

[silver crest]

well, it was

[manic latch]

So he couldn't believe it

[silver crest]

pretty stupid to also not fortify your border against a nation led by a megalomaniac tho

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I mean look at Japan. Even they were shy on waging war on Union while dealing with US

[silver crest]

they had a border war with the soviets

and they got rekt

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That as well

[silver crest]

that's why they went with the southern plan

[manic latch]

I don't get why Germany waged war on US however.

I'm mean US would do it itself eventually. But still

[silver crest]

because funny mustache man

[manic latch]

Tru

[delicate beacon]

It becomes Anglo-Saxon or Frisian at some point.
Since modern Germany speak high German the language is a bit distant from proto English as opposed to the lower regions.

[silver crest]

i think swedes can also understand a bit of old english

[alpine onyx]

High German, not to be confused with Drunk German

[somber knoll]

[delicate beacon]

Hochseeflotte, or high lakes fleet.
Great language

[somber knoll]

Mostly Anglo-Saxon with French in-between I'm afraid.

[somber knoll]

Danish also iirc.

mostly because Anglia included some parts of the Danish mainland

[eternal veldt]

If we go by language history, it's mostly celtic initially, followed by the romans/latin, then followed by germanics (due to Vikings and Scandinavian migration) and finally normans

Old French (key word: Old) was the higher societal language until the outbreak of 100 years' war, when local French lords renounced their French origin and English started a renaissance of sorts - mixed with old French naturally as these people try to speak English.

It's why pieces like Beowulf are utterly incomprehensible to the modern native English speaker, and that is only middle English

None of the "prithee", "anon", "thou and thee" stuff we have as seen commonly in pre-modern English - often seen via Shakespearean work.

[eternal veldt]

Might as well add, during said period, a phenomenon known as diglossia happens - where two "forms" of the same language happens - Anglo Norman by the higher class nobles, Old English by the peasants

Mix this shit in the crucible of time for a good hundred years and you have the absolute clusterfuck that is modern English, where the letter "a" corresponds to six different sounds.

(Sorry for the wall of linguistics talk.)

[somber knoll]

I enjoyed this to be honest, just like back in good old days of my basic linguistic classes.

[eternal veldt]

Don't remind me of my grammar classes.

Determiners, conjunctions, noun phrases, word trees... urgh

Oh, right, antecedents

[somber knoll]

and yeh, most of the ye olde Englishe were of Shakespeare and his contemporaries. even earlier works like Chaucer were not this flashy.

[somber knoll]

bruh. Morphology is a biatch.

but I do enjoy phonetics though

I still have a copy of a phonetics quiz book.

[eternal veldt]

Want a headache?

https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

A reading of The Chaos always helps.

800 irregularities, a massive fuck you to any second language learner.

[manic latch]

I can't believe myself I forget this about Veneto class's belt. I really wonder if Soyuz would do the same as (200+175mm) for her belt armor if Soviets still wanted cemented only

Soyuz would be even more Italian

[eternal veldt]

My phonetics professor was a bit of a clown and a cunt, I didn't like him much.

Made it out with a B+, so

[somber knoll]

das a classic. I enjoyed it when my morphology lecturer gave this to the class.

and I got A- so it's a bonus

[eternal veldt]

Learning the IPA and tongue/throat mechanics are very interesting though.

Also helped me to trill my Rs.

Needed for Russian/slavic languages, Spanish, and Cockney English on top of my head.

[somber knoll]

sounds like a Japanese trying to do dub a few English words.

the Panty Stocking and Garter belt Japanese dub comes to mind

Rrrrrrrrules

[eternal veldt]

Japanese trilling of Rs IIRC is pretty overly dramatic

[somber knoll]

yeah

[eternal veldt]

It's more like a flap, thus the L/R indistinction

[fierce sparrow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTQ2UizUYAAJBaM?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTQ2idvVUAEeVKt?format=jpg&name=medium

. . .

[zealous vine]

Oh yah, does this apply for carriers?

Other than maintenance, and weight issues, they should be negligible, and along with the distance, and way they operate, are right?

[somber knoll]

always a mystery why JP just can't get their Ls right

[manic latch]

I'm wondering more on Indian accent for English

There is something that makes it very noticable

[somber knoll]

carriers are pretty much the same, though do note that some have dedicated cranes, and considering their nature as a mobile air base, they can carry equipment they deem necessary for their operation.

[chilly osprey]

The Soviets never looked into decapping arrays

[eternal veldt]

Tone, and a flapped l from what I notice, since I had exposure to a few SEAsians.

[chilly osprey]

And a 175mm outer plate would be as excessive as a 200mm main plate would be insufficient

[somber knoll]

because... Indians.

no seriously, Hindi, Urdu, and Punjabi, and Kashmiri have very distinct speaking tone, and they tend to bounce their stress from word to word.

not to mention, they tend to throw sounds here and there, like the L silver mentioned.

[eternal veldt]

Ah, I was correct the first time

non-rhoticity, dropping the r

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English

[somber knoll]

yeah

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[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

The stress also sometimes change

[somber knoll]

I mean

[zealous vine]

👌

[somber knoll]

I had heard Pakistani, Northern Indian (Delhi area boys), and Sri Lankan speaking, and their accent are very pronounced thanks to their Sanskritic phonology.

[eternal veldt]

An unfortunate side effect of me working with kids now is that I picked up the bad habit of ending particles when I'm in class, i.e. "lah" "wo", etc.

My English is degrading

[somber knoll]

rip

[eternal veldt]

Well, have to establish rapport one way or the other

[somber knoll]

don't let Malay suffixes shake your good rapport my dude

[eternal veldt]

Don't worry, I haven't degraded to the point of saying "coke" as "cock" yet

Not like I'm Malay or Singaporean

[zealous vine]

Man's gon degrade into Singlish

[somber knoll]

I mean, you can call lads with "Cok", (that's a collocation for "Ucok" a rather well known calling name for boys in North Sumatra), and see their reactions

[somber knoll]

I'd rather deal with Hong Kong English than Singlish tbf

[eternal veldt]

I'm not from Indonesia, so, lol

Hong Kong English's more the thing when I mention lah or wo, common usage in Cantonese

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/YN_Nope/status/1582227986807279617

Entropy, but sharpied out. (@YN_Nope)

oh my god.

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Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 4:32 AM

[eternal veldt]

@delicate beacon I remember DZP's A and D having extra rangefinders. Any clue if they're fixed?

Other than that, I remember everything mostly on point except vents.

[delicate beacon]

They were fixed.

Aside from the minute details, she mostly has issues with her gun specs and module names being wrong.

[eternal veldt]

You can't fix those. WG is confidently wrong on those.

Minnesota's module names are still utter garbage.

[delicate beacon]

But can they at least fix the god damn airstrikes.

Doritos on a ship from 1950s.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/status/1582329391433981952

Alpha Defense™ (@alpha_defense)

@ElbitSystemsLtd light tank and #FRCV at #DefExpo2022

#defexpo #lighttank #elbit #futurereadycombatvehicle #elbitsystems #israel #defenceexpo #zorawar

Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 11:14 AM

[ivory ridge]

"gunner's and commander's sight" i sure hope it has them it's fucking 2022

why even bother typing that

"see through armor"

[strong plank]

isn't that the capability to see outside the vehicle via cameras

I want to say the Lynx has that?

handier to have on an ifv so dismounts don't get ganked by someone waiting around the corner

[cinder escarp]

Yeah, it's just a comprehensive camera array linked to headsets

And they run basically augmented reality to overlay the view of 'outside' onto the headset

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/navalgroup/status/1582397874683674624
https://twitter.com/navalgroup/status/1582397885206831107
https://twitter.com/navalgroup/status/1582414801329786883

Naval Group (@navalgroup)

This is PA-Ng. ⚓️

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Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 3:47 PM

Naval Group (@navalgroup)

#navgeeks, do your thing.

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Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 3:47 PM

Naval Group (@navalgroup)

Keep calm and PA-Ng on.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 4:54 PM

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Still keeping 2 catapult option I see

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Death of Roma

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/nT2NY3U388A

[cinder escarp]

Anyone who uses the Abrams as a thumbnail for ceramic armor deserves to be shot

[frigid karma]

What if they’re hiding behind ceramic armor

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@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

pew pew

[spring briar]

Ayo they fixed the disneyland tower

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It looks more like Gerald Ford tower now

[spring briar]

Magenta

[manic latch]

Would be nice for my bathtub

[spiral cedar]

Flanguard

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/navylookout/status/1582374631364706304

Navy Lookout (@NavyLookout)

Center of attraction at #Euronaval2022

Model of the Porte Avions de Nouvelle Génération (PA-NG) - new 🇫🇷French aircraft carrier. Construction due to begin 2025.

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Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 2:14 PM

[frigid karma]

wt?

[tough quail]

yes

[manic latch]

Funny tho

For such old machines you would expect all of their stuff being known

But nooo, even their armor info varies still

[tough quail]

it's most likely a comedic bug

because this flies against the whole German design philosophy...and basic eyesight

[dusty kraken]

What the heck

Where did they get the documents for this

[haughty osprey]

What the fuck

[somber knoll]

new Richie new richie

[molten karma]

do you guys have any good books like this one that cover the USN or the KMS in a similar vein?

[eternal veldt]

For the US, the 15 volumes of History of United States Naval Operations in WWII is the gold standard. Unfortunately exorbitantly expensive.

If not that, Ian Toll's trilogy from what I heard are also good.

If you want technical specifics and design details of a particular ship type, then Norman Friedman's Illustrated History of US (ship type) is your friend.

For KM, Whitley's series, and Koop and Schmolke's are also decent.

[molten karma]

oooh these ones look really good

the cruiser one is almost 50% off on amazon right now I might cop that

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ryszardjonski/status/1582619335650349056

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Today on October 19, the ceremony, which took place at the Hanwha Defense factory in Changwon, roll out 24 K9A1 howitzers for Poland.The ceremony took place 2 months after signing the agreement. Roll out of 10 K2 tanks will also take place today.
https://t.co/lYTjMa5XrS

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Twitter · Oct 19, 2022, 6:27 AM

https://twitter.com/ryszardjonski/status/1582621124273221632
https://twitter.com/ryszardjonski/status/1582622185470185472

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Poland's first 10 K2 Black Panther main battle tanks were rolled out at Hyundai Rotem factory in Changwon today on 19 October 2022.
Poland intends to acquire up to 980 K2 tanks and signed an initial contract of 180 tanks in August.
https://t.co/V3McZNnwID

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Twitter · Oct 19, 2022, 6:34 AM

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Two more pictures from ceremony roll out 10 of K2 tanks for 🇵🇱.

Twitter · Oct 19, 2022, 6:38 AM

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https://www.airandspaceforces.com/image-of-new-b-52-cockpit-shows-a-cleaner-layout/

Woah mama

[eternal veldt]

Also, hate to be a bit of a downer, but Stille's books from experience are pretty bland and doesn't go into suffcient detail.

For the Japanese, the definitive standard if you're into Japanese naval policy would be Kaigun by Peatty and Evans; for cruiser design and service, Lacroix and Wells' Japanese cruisers of the Pacific War; If you're looking specifically for the Yamatos, Lengerer and Ahlberg's Yamato class and subsequent planning has you covered.

I'm confident these are more detailed than what Stile tries to cover in his book. I'm not saying it's bad or wrong, but minute details do show in the aforementioned titles.

[spiral cedar]

here's my generic book recommendation list

[eternal veldt]

Case in point, the genesis in the schism between the IJN and IJA originates as early as the 1900s, borne of an imperial decision to try to appease both parties and end up pissing both off.

@humble mulch Kindly requesting a pin to jaba's list.

I'd also throw in the Ensign Man O'War series on top of my head.

A damn shame I never managed to finish Morison's 15 books, will likely never gain access to my university library again

[manic latch]

Soviet battleships by Stephen Mclaughlin too

[alpine onyx]

For the Germans you usually look for either Koop, Schmolke or Breyer on the author list

And then keep your eyes peeled for that one major blunder they have in every book

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Some of Breyer is really

[alpine onyx]

It depends on which book you are looking at, his book on Graf Zep was

The book on armor, less so

[eternal veldt]

I haven't thoroughly examined his Z-plan book, but from a good glance, it seems okay.

(ignoring O-class' protection scheme.)

[spring briar]

there's a Z-plan book?

[alpine onyx]

Sure wish Fock used more sources on his Zed books

Sucks being born somewhere in the late 20s, and not having the internet with all it's knowledge within reach

[eternal veldt]

"The striving to a Major Power Fleet"

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-no-why-me-big-baby-ugly-gif-13752527

why is that a thing

[alpine onyx]

Why not?

[spring briar]

Streben zur Weltmachtflotte

[eternal veldt]

this is just very no

[alpine onyx]

Still more accurate than WG's model

[eternal veldt]

and for whatever reason, early P-class concepts

[alpine onyx]

[desert agate]

why is the main gun superfiring over the secondary?

[spring briar]

I am distraught

[eternal veldt]

otherwise, some pretty neat stuff

[desert agate]

prinz eugen class?

[eternal veldt]

IIRC related to weight and protection, which for the P-class its discussion was a shit show until the project was canned in favour of escalating them to Os

Eugen was a later batch IIRC

[spring briar]

Hipper and Blucher, then eugen, seyd and lutz are of a modified design

[desert agate]

yeah but she was still pretty much the same as hipper wasnt she?

[spring briar]

mostly

[eternal veldt]

and to appease Sirene (hahaha, this will go well)

Shitzig strikes again

[spring briar]

no comment

[eternal veldt]

as for differences between the Hippers

Remember, 15mm forward bulkhead on Nürnberg

[spring briar]

I hate that it doesn't show the boiler connections

although those should be obvious

gotta love how they tried to combine stuff on eugen but then didn't on seyd

[alpine onyx]

That bit on cruising speeds is a bit weird, since the Deutschlands cruised at various speeds

[eternal veldt]

Seydlitz from what I read went with Wagner-Deschimag turbines of different design

[alpine onyx]

Advantage of not having a bunch of turbines, but rather going with motors and varying the output by simple adding or substracting them from the gearbox

[spring briar]

no more blohm & voss?

[eternal veldt]

B and V on Hipper and Bloocher only

[alpine onyx]

So Scheer could cruise at 8-10kn for an even better fuel economy

[spring briar]

yet you can just connect and disconnect turbines

[alpine onyx]

But the turbines are all different

[spring briar]

doesn't matter

the gearbox doesn't care

it will just be more complex

the stuff on the hippers is pretty similar to french tinkering with DD turbines

[eternal veldt]

oh hey, there's this bit too.

[desert agate]

but French get speeed

[alpine onyx]

If the cruising turbine doesn't cut it, you need to add whatever turbine is next in efficiency

Take that away

It's ugly

[spring briar]

sirene I will literally give you a hug

[eternal veldt]

both?

[alpine onyx]

Only M

LaGal can stay

[alpine onyx]

[eternal veldt]

Remind me what's so fucked about the Ms?

[spring briar]

yes

[eternal veldt]

I forgot someone railing on them quite hard, forgot who

[spring briar]

sarcasticat?

[eternal veldt]

probably

[alpine onyx]

I am usually very vocal on them

[eternal veldt]

But yes, where and what is wrong?

[alpine onyx]

Because I don't see them being an actual improvement over their predecessors, considering how much more tonnage they threw at them

[spring briar]

La Gali is cute

[desert agate]

the cat skin tho

[eternal veldt]

La Gal being a shitty SR tilts me

here's hoping Gloire, Montcalm and Leygues get better treatment

[desert agate]

shes too hot for purple

i like me a woman that will literally just kill me

[eternal veldt]

you're pretty down bad, aren't you

[desert agate]

always

[spring briar]

La Gali not being SSR is a sin

[desert agate]

retro when?

[alpine onyx]

The armor is fucked, that turtleback is outright dangerous on the raised parts (the armor is at best a side grade compared to Nürnberg), they cut down the firepower by one barrel, and cut the secondary battery in half, the torpedo battery lost 50%, and all of that for a speed increase that realistically speaking is more down to the usage of technological advances, less to actual design features

[spring briar]

especially with Noshiro and Sakawa being SSR

[alpine onyx]

That's my tl;dr on them

[eternal veldt]

oh, so the 35mm cope slope isn't exaggerated?

It looks very yikes to me.

[desert agate]

ah but riche you forget no one care about french surrender navy hahaha

[alpine onyx]

Now, look at this one, better in every regard except speed

[desert agate]

that is why theyre purple

[alpine onyx]

And ten years older

[eternal veldt]

You dare shit talk the Aganos?

According to the German Wikipedia ™️, they're very powerful cruisers

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

leave it to the germans

[alpine onyx]

That cope slope is awful

[spring briar]

why the 30 mm upper "belt"?

[eternal veldt]

Feels like a massive invitation to any sort of plunging fire

meaning you die to anything firing from long distance

[spring briar]

what is the 50mm belt even stopping

[alpine onyx]

I guess for some massively overkill seaworthiness

[eternal veldt]

but hit, see here.

[spring briar]

I'm so sorry Sirene

[eternal veldt]

How can you beat that logic?

[alpine onyx]

I have this

and am happy

[spring briar]

who this again?

Koln?

[alpine onyx]

Karlsruhe

[spring briar]

close enough

atleast it has some semblance of a normal belt + deck scheme

[eternal veldt]

I ought to read more on the Ks, tbh

[spring briar]

whatever that bulge is doing there tho?

[eternal veldt]

Not exactly trusting my translated copy of Williamson's book

[alpine onyx]

That is post refit

[desert agate]

what the fuck

[eternal veldt]

shhh, flotilla leaders

[alpine onyx]

Pre refit, or just Königsberg and Köln for the entirety of their service, looked like this

[eternal veldt]

The real tomfuckery I'm trying to find out now is why Agano C-44 goes back to three shafts

Don't think they're lacking for cruising range or trying funni diesels too

[alpine onyx]

full width 20mm deck, 50mm belt, 10-15mm splinter bulkhead, a 70mm aft bulkhead, an 80mm fore bulkhead, and an internal 40mm deck and slope for the steering machinery

ain't much, but it's honest work

[spring briar]

better than whatever the 3rd roach came up with

[desert agate]

leander vs agano is a more honest comparison

[spring briar]

arethusa vs agano

[desert agate]

perth vs agano

it would be a pretty fair fight between the two anyway

leander is slower and has worse deck protection but superior belt armour and guns that arent from 1908

[alpine onyx]

My money's still on the Brit

[desert agate]

id say fire control is probably on Leanders side as well

[spring briar]

lower deck protection vs 6" isn't that much of a downside

[alpine onyx]

And Leander has 33% more gun

[desert agate]

yeah and the extra turret helps matters

[spring briar]

especially considering IJN 6" shells

[alpine onyx]

and can realistically poke into Agano's vitals

while Agano with those pseudo sap shells or whatever they were can only hope for some lucky turret and superstructure hits

[spring briar]

and if you can hit the torp tubes

Agano will just poof

[alpine onyx]

I think against Emden Agano has a realistic advantage

[eternal veldt]

Well

If the captain is smort

he'd dump the torps first

so not a surefire way to keel an agano

Yahagi did exactly that to avoid getting Akizuki ™️'d

[alpine onyx]

those torps are her best bet against a modern cruiser anyway

[spring briar]

sirene

show Emden's armor scheme

I'll be able to see who wins

[spring briar]

is that belt homogeneous?

or KC

[alpine onyx]

homogenous

50mm

[spring briar]

hmm

IJN 6" common is pretty good against homogeneous at close to 90° angles

I'm not sure what the fuze time is tho

[alpine onyx]

still trying to find the value for the turtleback

I remember something about 20mm and 30mm

but what is deck and what turtle

memory leak

[spring briar]

The Type 13 Mark 1 Mod 1 fuze was introduced in December of 1941 and this was used in the 6-inch and 5.5-inch base-fuzed shells. This fuze gave trouble owing to the breakdown of mercury fulminate during storage and this problem resulted in many duds during the war.

non delay

yeah Emden might win here

shell simply bursts while passing through the belt and then the turtleback catches most of the splinters

[alpine onyx]

Emden used WW1 vintage guns for most of her career (tho they replaced them for the more modern 15cm gun as used on the DDs in early 44), so I don't quite see her punching into Agano's vitals

In theory she should be able to use the standard AP shell, but don't she ever got those

[spring briar]

so she's using WW1 shells and guns?

[alpine onyx]

WW2 HE

[spring briar]

so neither is getting into one another's vitals

fun battle

whoever sinks of splinter damage first

[manic latch]

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/10/18/nexter-thales-present-final-rapidfire-turret-design-for-french-navy/

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Agano versus Etna-class?

[alpine onyx]

Does it have AP?

If yes, chance for success increased by 80%

[spring briar]

As I pointed ut
anything with armor will probably not get any 6" from Agano in their vitals aside from splinters

so as long as your guns have shells that can pen agano and have a delay fuze you're golden

[alpine onyx]

If Okun's table is to be believed, as little as 50mm should already suffice

Then add some ship angle, and that matter should be settled

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

I kind of suspect that it might actually be some kind of common shell, rather than APC, just given it was supposed to be similar to the 120mm shell (Non-delay base fuse Granata Perforante). And that's pretty much what the USN examination of the RM 120mm GP shell comes out to.

Like any RM Granata Perforante shell, it's got a body painted white with a blue band of paint above the driving bands.

The only weird bit is that the ballistic cap is supposed to be left unpainted by regulation, not painted orange.

Anywho, as far as dealing with Agano's protection, the 135mm should be able to penetrate the belt at 10,000 meters or below, and the deck at 12,000 meters or beyond.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/BAESHagglunds/status/1582638866900848641

BAE Systems Hägglunds (@BAESHagglunds)

Meet the winner! CV90 is selected as the next IFV of the Czech Republic. Come and see at Future Forces trade show this week in Prague, 19-21 October. 🇨🇿
👀https://t.co/9pt211VXRK

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Twitter · Oct 19, 2022, 7:44 AM

[maiden citrus]

good lord

[maiden citrus]

lul

[strong plank]

What you’re seeing is advanced warfare

[chilly osprey]

We've seen that happen before, but mostly in the context of land combat

Ex, Turks using Syrian cellphones to target air defenses. And once the Syrians started leaving their phones off the effectiveness of the drones dropped off.

[ivory ridge]

Best (dont @ me) axis plane has arrived

[delicate beacon]

@ivory ridge that's not Fokker D XXI

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-pooping-mad-kitten-gif-26396234

[spring briar]

axis apologist

[spring briar]

Quora posts turned into images

[humble mulch]

Wtf is that shell

[spring briar]

clearly

I have a surprise for Jaba

[spiral cedar]

Ah yes, below belt diving shell with no water in the way

[spring briar]

the way that those plates keep tearing open after the shell penetrated them too

[spiral cedar]

Wonder if it’s related to the size of plate used

[ivory ridge]

Firing at a drydocked ship of course

[spiral cedar]

yup

Drydocked and elevated

[spring briar]

seems like a material that is very susceptible to shear

[maiden citrus]

le paper machette armour

[spring briar]

perhaps the smaller fragments of the cap also rip it up by adding more momentum

[spiral cedar]

Remind me, did they keep any 41cm guns

[spring briar]

there are some around yes

[maiden citrus]

yee

[spiral cedar]

Any 46cm?

[spring briar]

including a number of shells

no

sadly

[spiral cedar]

rip

[maiden citrus]

gun from mutsu

[spring briar]

gun from mutsu

with shell

another gun

[spiral cedar]

What’s the grey outline

[spring briar]

Museum of Maritime Science

[spiral cedar]

destroys friendly A6M

[spring briar]

that's ok he was about to hit a ship anyways

[ivory ridge]

TIL a vextra 120 exists

But i dont think it can be added to WT

[shrewd pecan]

seems

too early of a prototype for WT

[delicate beacon]

There's a book I want to read for my research but its only copies are in The Hague

[cinder escarp]

It's not even a Re.2005

[ivory ridge]

The model for that one is in a month

[delicate beacon]

The bus stop is right across the International Criminal Court.

Maybe it's time I grow over my autism

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

that's one of the weirdest looking t-72s I've ever seen

[humble mulch]

The tank is our brains cells and the shell is horrid takes people have there right?

Metaphor goes both ways too

[cinder escarp]

It sort of reminds me of the object 187

Or one of the type 85 series models

[hexed nymph]

The NC museum is showing a video/movie of a submarine going to the deep and it found the battleship Bismarck

[spiral cedar]

James Cameron’s submersible

[hexed nymph]

Ye

[alpine onyx]

There is also an entire 41cm twin turret from Mutsu, sitting around

https://theta360.com/s/beU3hJscWSGxrNvs4eVT4diWi

[spiral cedar]

360

[alpine onyx]

Of course, all goodies deserve to be shared

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1582838484158406658

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

When USS Milwaukee was returned to the U.S. Navy in 1949 after being loaned to the Soviet Union for 5 years, one official said it was the dirtiest ship he had ever seen. The rusty ship smelled of stale fish and was full of rats, lice, and empty vodka bottles. #WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Oct 19, 2022, 8:57 PM

[strong plank]

damn bro

can't believe they'd do murm like that

[delicate beacon]

I did the first step.

I made a Forum post on the wows forums. I can beat the social pressure.

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002399391488946186.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[spring briar]

[manic fractal]

hms hood where is sunk?

[tough quail]

That's what I thought

[ivory ridge]

series 6
g.56, re.2006, MC.207

Goddamn you Macchi why did you try to build a prototype before it and called it 206

[spiral cedar]

Coordinates here
https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4067.html

[manic latch]

Lies: Soviet Union was rude to Murm

Reality: Soviet Union prevented scrapping of last Omaha class long as possible

[frigid karma]

i'd rather be shot than have someone fill me with shit and vodka bottles

speaking of omahas