Not sure if marriage works. But Naturalization progress should do
#history
manic latch
That means. Becoming US citizen only by abandoning your citizenship of other nation
Even then. They could be more biased for US born citizens
Me to Incomparable: "You are packing some pretty heavy artillery for your size boy. I am surprised you can even put two words together."
molten karma
does anyone have some book recs on Italian ships?
remote monolith
@ivory ridge here's your man
ivory ridge
About the ships or the whole navy
or like the whole med theatre
also i need to check if more stuff was localized in english
molten karma
About the ships or the whole navy
preferably the ships specifically
molten karma
also i need to check if more stuff was localized in english
oh I'm italian you don't need to worry about that lol
ivory ridge
even better
so first of all, the bible for the Littorio class
"The Littorio Class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948"-Erminio Bagnasco, Augusto De Toro
then a similar book about the Cavours and Duilios
"ITALIAN BATTLESHIPS: CONTE DI CAVOUR AND DUILIO CLASSES 1911-1956" again, Bagnasco and De Toro
then there is a collection of magazines sold in newsstands called "Storia Militare Briefing", with multiple releases which you can either find on their website or in other online book shops
STORIA Militare BRIEFING n° 9 CACCIATORPEDINIERE CLASSE “NAVIGATORI”
STORIA Militare BRIEFING n° 12 INCROCIATORI PESANTI CLASSE “ZARA”
STORIA Militare BRIEFING n° 24 INCROCIATORI PESANTI TRENTO, TRIESTE e BOLZANO
STORIA Militare BRIEFING n° 27 CACCIATORPEDINIERE CLASSE “SOLDATI”
STORIA Militare BRIEIFING n°33 INCROCIATORI LEGGERI CLASSE “CAPITANI ROMANI”
iirc , they are currently working on a book that takes the Zara and Trento ones to make a single volume, also localized in english
molten karma
thank you very much
do you happen to know of anything else on the capitani romani specifically?
ivory ridge
iirc , they are currently working on a book that takes the Zara and Trento ones ...
"Italian Heavy Cruisers: From Trento to Bolzano" - Brescia, De Toro
apparently it either came out recently or it's about to
ivory ridge
do you happen to know of anything else on the capitani romani specifically?
Specifically i dont think so, there isnt too much to say about them so even just the less than 100 books magazine says nearly everything
there is a section about them in the book about ALL italian cruisers but uhh
it's like 10 or so pages in a 600 pages hardcover book
molten karma
oh lmao
ivory ridge
tho the Capitani Romani magazine made us discover this thing which is just 👌
Just to clarify for those wondering what exactly in the hell they're looking at;
Though for pretty much the entirety of the design phase of the Capitani Romani, the RM was intended to use eight guns in four twin turrets, it seems that at one point in the late 1930s, being quite pleased with the design of the 135mm triple turrets to be used on the rebuilt Duilio-class, they decided to investigate alternative gun layouts for the ships.
Solution A is the one pictured above, which consisted of two 135mm triple turrets, and four 135mm singles - two superfiring over each triple, and two positioned amidships as wing turrets. Welcome back to 1908! Compared to the base design, this would have allowed for nine guns to bear 60° fore and aft of either beam, versus eight. 10° off the bow or stern would allow for the same four guns as with the base design, but between 10° and 30°, five guns could bear, rather than four. Solution B, for which no plan is provided in the monograph, was a much more conventional 3x3 layout, with two turrets forward and one aft. This once again allowed for all guns to bear in the same +/-60° arc off either beam, while the 30° arcs off the bow would see six guns (versus four in the base design), and the equivalent arcs off the stern would see three guns (versus four in the base design).Neither alternative solution was opted for, likely due to the desire to avoid any additional delays in the procurement of the ships - these were general plans for the arrangement, not complete designs, and such redesigns would have taken valuable time. It also has to be said, Solution A was very, very dubious, given the use of open-back single mounts, and Solution B, while very attractive, would have required the most extensive re-design, and allowed for a less even distribution of firepower - which was probably not ideal in a scout ship that may very well have to disengage rapidly from superior enemy forces once they were located.
molten karma
that's some spicy shit
alright I think I'll make some more use of my culture bonus down the road and buy some of those recs, thank you again
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
If you ever want recommendations for less specific stuff just ask, i have a bunch of that as well
manic latch
Why larger tanks always sexier
ivory ridge
It's a shame i wasnt into this stuff back when i got my culture bonus years ago, i spent half of it on mangas, a quarter on warcraft books and a fifth on books for the uni entrance exam
Jesus christ it's been nearly 5 years 
chilly osprey
looks at bookshelf
I don't have a problem I don't have a problem I don't have a problem
molten karma
It's a shame i wasnt into this stuff back when i got my culture bonus years ago,...
oh I mean don't get me wrong most of the bonus I've spent so far has been on manga and CDs lmao
chilly osprey
ivory ridge
God i will never find those books at decent prices 
chilly osprey
thousand yard stare
I won't pretend that Le Torpediniere Italiane was at all reasonably costed when I bought it
But I also don't want to remember the exact price
molten karma
some of this stuff looks very interesting, I'll take a better look tomorrow
chilly osprey
I just wish that we'd get more books published now that go over the older stuff, in more detail.
ivory ridge
Also can i just say how annoying it is that some of them are white author name at the top and red book name in the middle while others are rhe opposite
chilly osprey
FWIW, the only ones I have where that's the case is the two-part SM 'Dossier' in the Cavour/Duilio-classes
Idk if that was intentional or someone just had too much grappa and got the order mixed up when they sent it to the publishers
molten karma
Also can i just say how annoying it is that some of them are white author name a...
god that is infuriating
shrewd pecan
regarding the KF51 apparently its gonna have a 20 round ready rack, guessing its going to be another leopard hull suicide rack situation since its still the Leo 2 chassis
tho makes me wonder where the 4th crewmen is being squeezed in there
so he's going in place of the suicide rack
guessing meaning there's hull ammo storage else where
or this thing is only running 20 rounds and 4 loitering munitions
ivory ridge
20 ready rack? Sounds sus
shrewd pecan
I mean the bustle rack does seem a lot bigger than the leo 2s
tho I question the point in the 130 MM with only 20 rounds of ready ammo
it seems like the 120 would give you far more ammo while only being slightly worse performance wise
your also throwing 4 loitering munitions on the thing meaning you can likely just smack whatever the 120 MM can't kill with that
shrewd pecan
Rheinmetalls claiming 20 round storage rack, so yeah bigger than the standard leo
tho as I said I'm still wondering what its hull storage situation is going to be like
shrewd pecan
yeah
maiden citrus
How curious indeed
manic latch
it seems like the 120 would give you far more ammo while only being slightly wor...
Slightly?
Didn't they said like %50 better pen
according to the company, the increase of 8% in calibre resulting in 50% more kinetic energy over the 120 mm gun
Nvm it was energy
shrewd pecan
eh even then I'm not convinced for the need of a newly fielded higher caliber gun
none of the next gen armor threats have materialized
while obviously I think we should be developing such systems for a just in case scenario
I don't see the use for current requirements
spring briar
frigid karma
<:MurmWat:839635014256951296>
I know that arrangement looks hideous Richy, but tbf you French have the Colbert
frigid karma
Surprisingly tanky if paired with sun yat sen
Who is now a tier 9 bb
With 6 18 inch guns
Literally sovetskaya Georgia sold to China
junior trench
Rheinmetalls claiming 20 round storage rack, so yeah bigger than the standard le...
20 rounds without the missiles
It's 2x 10 round drums
Drones/missiles would take the place of one drum
RhM is just listing the maximums via "up to X" claims
And not telling the whole story
frigid karma
Literally sovetskaya Georgia sold to China
Oh ye speaking of which
Silver any blueprints for this abomination as well?
maiden citrus
Got any blueprints for this baby
maiden citrus
Unfortunately Al convinced them to do a chinese pr bait
maiden citrus
Then again, considering the factions involved, they might not even be pr and just appear in the story through sheer force
spring briar
Im sick of this rock
frigid karma
that's a PR slot lost
Then again we already have yat sen
And it’s the same faction
not as easy to cram in as st. louis vs saint louis
manic latch
With 6 18 inch guns
Early Soyuz plans was a choice between 12 356mm, 9 406mm, 6 457mm. Soviets choose the 9 406mm.
This one seems what if alternative choice
spring briar
Yt. Sen
frigid karma
she's gonna be shit in wows though
georgia but without most of the things that makes her good
tough quail
i just want to stop wasting pr slots on factions that shouldnt have them
manic latch
Bro I don't want to see this thing 
maiden citrus
What’s that? 3 German prs?
frigid karma
the name 'brest' itself is literally c**mer bait
and then you shit on brest's stats
manic latch
Bro I don't want to see this thing <:Sadge:757500586777116752>
This isn't even Iowa hull anymore
maiden citrus
It is
spring briar
Qwerty tf you talking about
maiden citrus
As I said in another chat these poor ships activate every maternal instinct in my body
spring briar
tough quail
qwerty is here to act like he knows anything about how the game works
spring briar
You have no idea what you are talking about qwerty
maiden citrus
They might be cursed ships with deformities, but they are still part of the eagle union and will be cared for as such
Now stay strong for mother
spring briar
Social equity
manic latch
Social equity
frigid karma
like especially, compare brest to ply
spring briar
No
manic latch
Tier 9 vs 10 bruh
manic latch
Kronshtadt v2
spring briar
Who asked
spring briar
Idc
spring briar
She’s my bb anyways
tough quail
it's also doubling down on how goofy it is to make her american when she was purely for soviet use too
manic latch
i'd be really miffed if we got one of the new line and not just
I'm super hyped for Yat Sen. Soyuz sister in Chinese clothing 
maiden citrus
Well Al made Milwaukee soviet
‘We will trade you a cl for a cv’
‘Cool, deal”
The cv:
manic latch
Well Al made Milwaukee soviet
maiden citrus
At least we have another rs now, it’s still bad, but when it was the only representative of the entire class that was pretty oof
manic latch
there is literally no shot that yat sen pr makes it in
But
spring briar
It is what it is
manic latch
Soyuz one is Sun Yat-Sen
spring briar
Not like RN needs it
tough quail
yeah they literally just need to use the full name
maiden citrus
Qwerty underestimates the wank
tough quail
did you see them getting in pr5
manic latch
I dont see china getting in pr6
Like Harbin?
spring briar
Yes they had their pr now
tough quail
most PR rosters after 2 have been like
spring briar
No need for another
tough quail
a flashbang to my brain
manic latch
Yes they had their pr now
Rich IB will take a slot instead then stahp
maiden citrus
First faction to get ships dead before ww2 time period, first faction to get ships past ww2 time period, already got a pr based off fake borrowing, you better believe they will get a tier 9 borrowed pr bb
manic latch
Why couldnt i have been born as a bird
Wish I was a white swan with Soyuz
maiden citrus
Why couldnt i have been born as a bird
Humans study shells, birds sometimes get hit by them
manic latch
Goes broke in day 1
manic latch
you got a soviet one horse
Waited 5 damn years for it ye
tough quail
First faction to get ships dead before ww2 time period, first faction to get shi...
all this in the same year lmao
frigid karma
Brest sucks
of course, ectl will say she's Tex
but like
why would i use her over agir
or kronk
manic latch
it was just fucking weird
Tfw Yat Sen would bring first Soviet UR gun in game but it would be Dragon Empery category like Harbin's 130mms
frigid karma
when i have both maxed already
waste of time really unless FS5 completely saves her (and fixes her ass gun problem)
hIsToRiCaL rEfErEnCe ok should nelson have secondaries shooting only backwards
maiden citrus
Yes
spring briar
She’s a french boat
The faction isn’t meta nor does it have a lot if ships
Feel free to use
Or piss off
maiden citrus
The Nelson’s are already so trash it wouldn’t matter, but at least it would be funny
frigid karma
look all i'm saying is, if you want me to spend months grinding your new DR boat
at least make her better than the one i got in gacha 5 months ago
or the one last year
spring briar
I know
I’ll enjoy Brest for the both of us ok
frigid karma
better than azuma, at least
maiden citrus
How about we avoid power creep
tough quail
i mean
the fact she has the reputation (apparently) of being bad is a good thing
she'll just get a fatesim that agir wont
frigid karma
ok, maybe i misworded myself
frigid karma
she's better than most ships
tough quail
free buffs for shits and giggles
frigid karma
but for a DR 
tough quail
agir broke CB balancing and it
frigid karma
no kron is better than brest most of the time
spring briar
no kron is better than brest most of the time
Not to someone like me that uses richie all the time
tough quail
you can batter through literally everything without trying
spring briar
tough quail
you're literally handwringing over either a few seconds faster clears or slightly more health left over
frigid karma
you do you
tough quail
it doesn't matter
spring briar
Brest was smth i didnt ask for anyways
I accept her existence and welcome her as my beloved
frigid karma
the thing im more amgy about is representation
frigid karma
ply gets like a shit ton of them
you designed these two ships to be with each other
they're literally city sisters
it's not even like ply's tits are that much bigger
spring briar
Are you done
frigid karma
no
maiden citrus
it's not even like ply's tits are that much bigger
Is that all it takes to be strong in Al?
I underestimate my power
frigid karma
I pinged silver over an hour ago, you guys think he's busy doing other stuff or busying frothing at the mouth at what pics i sent him
zealous vine
🤨
desert agate
I pinged silver over an hour ago, you guys think he's busy doing other stuff or ...
The man is a teacher and he's at work you spastic
It's 12pm in HK
spiral cedar
South Dakota machinery against Japanese 36cm/45 APC Type 91 (aka WWII Kongō/Fusō/Ise gun)
Flat broadside-on, Kongō can achieve effective (fit to burst) penetrations of SoDak's citadel at 10k yards, ineffective penetrations at 12k yards, partial penetrations at 13k yards.
10 def off broadside (80 deg target angle) this drops to effective at 9k yards, ineffective at 12k yards, and partial at 12k yards.
20 def off broadside (70 deg target angle) this drops to effective at 6k yards, ineffective at 10k yards, and partial at 10k yards.
30 deg off broadside (60 deg target angle) this drops to effective at 0 yards (aka never), ineffective at 2k yards, and partial at 3k yards.
40 deg off broadside (50 deg target angle) nothing makes a hole, even at the muzzle.
Deck pen is possible at 34k yards and beyond.
frigid karma
How advisable is tactically flooding yourself to prevent deck pens with a list
alpine onyx
Flooding to intentionally create a list during combat almost always sounds like a bad idea
maiden citrus
tribal mortar
brest is pretty bad for a DR richy
Breh
eternal veldt
*looks at bookshelf*
I don't have a problem I don't have a problem I don't have...
laughs nervously
tribal mortar
<@301567539182567424>
eternal veldt
Had to get 3 massive wall shelves to contain the moonrunes and other english publications
The real payload is someone's online library though 👌
eternal veldt
<@301567539182567424>
torpedo cutouts
Instant ban
Fwiw its on the weather deck I guess
junior trench
How advisable is tactically flooding yourself to prevent deck pens with a list
That normalizes the angle of and increases the amount of surface area presented by your belt
So
Not at all
tribal mortar
same name + same faction
Clone her and make her wear Soyuz clothes
Literally copy and paste
eternal veldt
Also, splendid, fake Soyuz
tribal mortar
Take Soyuz head off and replace it with Yat Sen head
spiral cedar
How advisable is tactically flooding yourself to prevent deck pens with a list
Lists also make shooting more difficult
Since you have to deal with trunnion tilt
When your ship is listing, your barbette is no longer level with the ocean surface
So when you want to aim at a ship 45 deg off the port bow and shoot with a 15 deg elevation, but you have a 5 deg list to starboard, you now have a more complex issue of adding angles together as your ship rolls
maiden citrus
Skill issue
dapper parcel
list compensation is fairly trivial
the training motor on the other hand might have different opinion
maiden citrus
When you’re accidentally right but your reasoning for getting there needs some help
You see if you make both out of wood…
frigid karma
Lists also make shooting more difficult
I was kinda making that post as a meme since yknow Texas flooded herself for gunnery elevation, why not for increasing deck thickness
Appreciate the thoughtful answers though
frigid karma
kind summit
Bro I don't want to see this thing <:Sadge:757500586777116752>
Where can I buy the substance developers of this thing used?
stiff mauve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854971361185103873/1024929421360123944/T1...
Oh yay.......Louisana......
strong plank
imagine the conversation the engineers would've had behind closed doors
manic latch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854971361185103873/1024929421360123944/T1...
Love how they offered this to Soviets
When they were just wanting a normal BB
strong plank
"wait why a carrier battleship?"
"dude they've hardly got much shipbuilding capability, it'll be funny as shit"
manic latch
"wait why a carrier battleship?"
"dude they've hardly got much shipbuilding capa...
But US was going to build it
manic latch
"US casually building their heaviest BB in existence for Soviets"
strong plank
really hated bath iron works or whoever would have been contracted
strong plank
how'd they manage getting the acronym to spell Venom
frigid karma
https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1575096368531910658?t=oQfu5CLKGvvPMIurg...
I thought this was some wacky 60s shit
Not modern
desert agate
how'd they manage getting the acronym to spell Venom
Military acronym creators are very proud of their jobs
strong plank
i mean stuff like TUSK and HARM are pretty self explanatory
wait is it even an acronym
I'm not seeing a breakdown anywhere
and acronym creators always include a breakdown to show it off
maiden citrus
Military acronym creators are like the coolest people
manic latch
I kinda believe it
F-22 has more expensive RAM and ain't for export. There gotta be a reason US didn't do that
Tho F-35 is smaller which helps stealth so
strong plank
F-35's on the export market because other countries like the UK, Canada, Italy, etc. all provided funding for the program
stiff mauve
Military acronym creators are very proud of their jobs
BOHICA's another one I keep hearing
junior trench
incidentally M230 uses the same ammo as ADEN
which... makes that thing a bit redundant unless you're somehow so hard on the shitlist you won't even be sold a chaingun from the 80s
it's a chonker
eternal veldt
imagine the conversation the engineers would've had behind closed doors
The problem is that the Gibbs and Cox series came from Gibbs himself, a man who wanted nothing but perfection in his designs.
The Soviets called for a 35k ton design, Gibbs basically ignored it and designed what he himself wanted
In other words, the very foundation of this subline implies either the entire someone in or the entire BuShips ignores the pleas of BuAer, BuOrd, or whatever requirements listed out by the US Navy, inhales gibbium, and shits these impractical turds out
Gibbs is also the person who designed a DD with zero DP armament when the requirements were exactly that, so he's a pretty... amazing person.
maiden citrus
where we're going we don't need logic
eternal veldt
To be fair though, the soviet instructions were vague.
They wanted a "large ship with unique characteristics", so Design B does fit that aspect, I guess.
maiden citrus
well it is large and unique
eternal veldt
Yes, but also likely out of reach of Soviet Infrastructure.
eternal veldt
same name + same faction
Also, to this question, really simple answer.
Just ask WG to rename.
Not like they havent done it before for Pommern/Ludendorff.
manic latch
They wanted a "large ship with unique characteristics", so Design B does fit tha...
I always felt Soviets wanted a US BB to reverse engineer purposes
eternal veldt
Fix your steel production issues first.
manic latch
eternal veldt
And putting 70k on a shaft as well.
manic latch
And putting 70k on a shaft as well.
Chapayev: I have 62k
manic latch
Also the reason Project 24 has 4 shafts
And Stalingrad
The both share same engines
tribal mortar
Sanrui boogaloo
spiral cedar
What is the armor
spring briar
100mm belt angled at 20°
spiral cedar
Material?
spring briar
legos
subtle prawn
chilly osprey
Technically the armor question depends on which design you're looking at
spring briar
the belt differs yes
chilly osprey
100mm at 20° of 80 kg homogenous steel is true for the C5 designs, but for the later 'Saint Louis' nothing was settled yet
spring briar
SL ver.4 belt has me down bad
chilly osprey
It is quite possible (probable, even) that it was thicker than what was envisioned for the C5's
spring briar
likely, given the displacement envisioned
but we really don't have a lot of info on her
chilly osprey
Indeed
spiral cedar
angled homogeneous belt makes me happy
Homogeneous armor probably isn't the best for inclined belts, as opposed to facehardened
At 18k yards with the German 38cm, a KC type belt has a 23% effective thickness improvement against complete penetrations with a 15 deg incline for a 10% weight gain (from needing a longer height to cover an equivalent hitting space), a net efficiency gain of about 13%. However, a homogeneous belt would only act about 11% thicker under equivalent range and incline conditions, for a net efficiency gain of only 1%.
spring briar
are you considering scaling effects with the 38cm shell here tho
spiral cedar
This is chart is only accurate for a very precise set of conditions--don't go applying it exactly to shorter ranges, higher velocities, etc.--but it gives an idea of how homogeneous armor only really picks up in performance at higher obliquities, and thus inclining a homogeneous belt vs. just using a thicker vertical homogeneous belt of equivalent coverage is often not very effective
spiral cedar
are you considering scaling effects with the 38cm shell here tho
I’m not comparing inclined homogeneous vs. inclined facehardened
I’m comparing inclined homogenous vs. vertical homogeneous
spiral cedar
This is chart is only accurate for a very precise set of conditions--don't go ap...
(the sharp drop in the graph occurs due to cap edge effects)
spring briar
does the SHS actually get the cap edge bonus
spiral cedar
spring briar
does richie's original APC get the edge bonus?
spiral cedar
The -12% NBL bonus should be fixed, just the plate thickness needed to get it at a given obliquity as the cap edge angle changes. Note that several cap types, British post-1930 Hadfield (but for not earlier post-Jutland Hadfield APC shells that had caps much like US Navy WWII caps, and also not any post-Jutland Firth APC shells whose caps look like the German L/4.4 caps even in 1918) and, for the most part, any French Navy AP caps, for example, have "helmet" contoured caps with essentially no corner of significance between the skirt and the face edge, so they never get any notch bonus. This means that some British post-Jutland through the end of WWII APC shells get the over-45-degree -12% bonus when the angle and plate thickness combination allows it, but not others, simply due to the manufacturers using very different AP caps on the same shell type made by more than one company. Again, luck of the draw when going to the ammo depot.
spring briar
spiral cedar
Smoof
maiden citrus
smooth, no wrinkles, smart
maiden citrus
more aerodynamic, smooth
spring briar
it has the same edge
but further up the tip
but no bonus
there's like a 5° difference
spiral cedar
Eh, looks fairly smooth
spring briar
it is there nonetheless
if anything french and US caps are a lot more similar than Italian anf German ones
spiral cedar
spring briar
yeah I mean
that cap does work
but was it in use during ww2?
I'm pretty sure the USN used that cap on the 14" shells much more frequently
spring briar
I mean I'm pretty sure the french shell doesn't get the bonus because the angle is too high up and just not sharp enough
spring briar
14 inch my beloved
spiral cedar
spring briar
spiral cedar
spring briar
ok now leave me alone in my sadness
spiral cedar
spring briar
no
frigid karma
spring briar
this is why no
spiral cedar
Seeing about 148 deg here
spring briar
he just picked it because 180°-45° = 135°
so smaller angles "dig in" and larger don't
and applying it as a discrete modifier also is likely a simplification
spiral cedar
How does cap shape affect this? Since the German simulation and the US Army/Navy caps gave virtually identical results, even though the German cap edge is closer to 95-100 degrees and the circa-140 degrees US cap edge corner was a much wider angle, I would venture to say the following:
(1) A corner width over 140 degrees probably leaves no deep-enough crease at any angle to work. Wider opening angles at the edge of the cap face, such as with most French AP caps of British Hadfield WWII AP caps, never have a cap edge effect. (This may be wrong, but not by much, since that corner is getting very shallow at 140 degrees opening angle.)
(2) The 12% drop in NBL when the crease is cut is a constant for any corner angle of a hardened AP cap.
(3) The crease effect only happens at over 45 degrees impact obliquity from right-angles. The US caps both had no crease effect under 50 degrees and only at that steep angle when the plate was rather thick and rigid so that the dent formed was minimal and the corner cutting effect won.
(4) As the angle of obliquity goes up toward 90 degrees (parallel to the plate face), the thickness needed to allow a notch/crease in the plate to get the drop in NBL goes down. (There is a table in HCWCALC for the US caps with 140 degrees opening angle at the face corner.)
He chose it because it worked for US 140-deg caps but not caps with bigger angles
spring briar
it's his right to do it that way
as long as he has the ballistic tests to back it up
spiral cedar
He says he’s working on version 7.0 of HCWCALC that will incorporate more fixes for cap weights and effects
So here’s hoping
spring briar
I've always had my doubts on performance of shells at over 45° obliquity so I'm glad he's adressing it
spiral cedar
Well such tests were common against homogeneous armor; every US AP shell lot from 6” to 12” was tested at 50 deg
spring briar
no surprise for the USN
spiral cedar
Likewise thinner Class B plates were tested up to 70 deg
Class B up to 7.5” was tested against 8” AP at 60 deg
Thick class B only up to 40 deg however
Uptake gratings (Class B) were tested up to 70 deg with 6” shells and 65 deg with 16” shells, interestingly enough
spring briar
was it tested with the holes drilled in
spiral cedar
Yes
spring briar
maiden citrus
if it hits you gotta make sure it parties
spiral cedar
14” was tested against uptake gratings at 70 deg, interestingly enough
spring briar
I wonder
what was the result of the tests
spiral cedar
Sorry, not “tests” in the experimental sense
As in, every batch of plates has to pass these requirements
These are acceptance tests
spiral cedar
Probably but they aren’t uploaded to Navweaps
spring briar
big sadness
spiral cedar
http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/bhnFormulaVsNBLResults.php
Oh here’s a bunch of Class B tests
Compared to HCWCALC 1.0
64.6 deg seems to be the highest obliquity on this table
At the moment I am not attempting to adjust for projectile nose shape under the AP cap. The blunt US AP shells have a small loss in penetration ability at low obliquity (under 30 degrees) compared to the standard US Army WWII 3" M79 AP Shot baseline projectile, but get noticeably better than that - that is, a lower NBL - as obliquity goes up above 30 degrees, being best at 50-60 degrees and then gradually going back up toward the standard NBL for the M79 nose shape, reaching it at 80 degrees, because the shells are all hitting first on their lower noses at such high obliquity and by the time the long slot being torn in the plate has opened up so that the nose tip can be pushed into the plate, the details of tip shape are not as important.
These two shell tests are against the same plate, with/without the Cap Edge Effect being applied in the British shell case (it always is in my computations with US AP shells), where the cap at obliquities above 50 degrees or so digs a transverse notch into the plate on initial impact and makes splitting open the slot being formed in the plate easier, in the US case by -12% to the NBL (from extensive tests with the US Navy 6" Mk 35 MOD 5 AP shell, using an AP cap with a hardness and face very similar to the larger US Navy AP shells). The Hadfield AP cap is contoured to the shape of the nose much more than the US cap, so the corner where the face of the cap meets the side skirt upper edge is not as sharp as with the US Navy standard AP cap design - US cap face is a 100-degree-wide cone with a rounded tip or a flat-faced plateau covering the tip (called a "meplat" after the French term). In these tests the British projectiles ricocheted with only a 4"-deep gouge (no through opening) and broke up, indicating that they were not making any kind of noticeable notch in the plate at the indicated striking velocity, so this effect is either not happening at all or is much weaker. Note, however, that these British projectiles are much softer in their middle and lower bodies than the US AP shells, so they tend to bend when put under high stress, especially sideways stress, as here. Thus, the AP cap shape may not be the cause of this difference between US and British AP shells.
spring briar
what about the hardness of the british AP cap
compared to that of the US AP cap at the same location
hang on
I knew I had one
627 vs ~555
given, this is just a random british AP cap
no real date on it
I will follow his findings closely in any case
high obliquity still fucky
especially for thinner walled shells
spiral cedar
Most non-USN shells should have a cap hardness that peaks above 600 BHN in this era
Tho for Japan it's like 601 or something
spring briar
800
spring briar
the issue with that AP cap is the sheer lack of material above the tip of the shell
same with the british one tbh
mfw the magnesium capped shell strikes the optic port
dapper parcel
magnesium in saltwater environment 
spring briar
Its a tank shell choom
dire silo
I am pleasantly enthralled with the history of "Big J". One of my favorite battleships of all time, most definitely in my top 3.
USS New Jersey aquired the nickname "The Black Dragon" in WWII due to being painted a dark blue which made it very difficult to see in the dark. USS New Jersey participated in nearly all of the Western Pacific campaigns from her arrival in the theater in January 1944 until the end of WW II. Her first combat action came as a unit of the Fifth Fleet in assaults on the Marshall Islands. Next was the invasion of the Marianas where her heavy guns battered Saipan and Tinian. She screened carriers as American and Japanese pilots dueled in the Battle of the Philippine Sea, and then contributed to strikes on Guam and the Palaus. In late 1944, she was a unit of fast carrier task forces ranging the waters off the Philippines, Okinawa and Formosa. She shot down planes in the Philippines campaigns and continued to protect the carriers. New Jersey was directly engaged in the conquest of Okinawa in early 1945. She fought off air raids, rescued downed pilots, defended the carriers from suicide planes and shot them down. She provided heavy bombardment, preparing the invasion beaches for the assault. Following flagship assignments in Japanese waters in late 1945, she took aboard nearly a thousand homeward-bound troops for return to the U.S.
In 1946, The "Big J" returned to the Atlantic, making midshipman cruises to Northern European waters and operating in the western Atlantic. She was decommissioned at Bayonne, N. J. on 30 June 1948. With the outbreak of hostilities in Korea, she was recommissioned on 21 November 1950. During her two tours of duty in Korean waters, she operated in direct support of United Nations troops, interdicted Communist supply and communication routes, and destroyed supplies and troop positions. During her first shore bombardment mission at Wonsan, she received her only combat casualties of the Korean War. One of her men was killed and two severely wounded by shore battery fire. New Jersey made deployments to Northern Europe and the Mediterranean between 1955 and her decommissioning at Bayonne on 21 August 1957. Her third career began on 6 April 1968 when she was recommissioned in Philadelphia. Operating from her new homeport of Long Beach, California, she arrived off the coast of Vietnam in late 1968. For the next six months she fired against Communist targets, destroying gun positions and supply areas. New Jersey was decommissioned for the third time at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard on 17 December 1969. New Jersey returned to the active fleet for the final time on 28 December 1982. After mounting a show of strength off troubled El Salvador, she rushed to the Mediterranean in the fall of 1983 to provide fire support for Marines in Beirut, Lebanon. For the next seven years she served in a variety of roles, including regular deployments to the Western Pacific. She was decommissioned for the final time on 9 September 1991.
spiral cedar
I am pleasantly enthralled with the history of "Big J". One of my favorite battl...
Indeed, Big Jeffe had quite the explosive end to her career
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_battleship_Jaime_I
dire silo
A pleasant read. Much appreciated.
spiral cedar
spiral cedar
I am pleasantly enthralled with the history of "Big J". One of my favorite battl...
What are the other two?
manic latch
What's the most perverted warship name
spiral cedar
HMS Sappho maybe
manic latch
HMS Sappho maybe
HMCS Wetaskiwin had "Wet Ass Queen" but that's a nametag sadly
rapid junco
spiral cedar
USS Hoe
rapid junco
What's the most perverted warship name
Not exactly lewd
But we had a Brig during the War of Independence that was named
"Palhaço"
Which means
"Clown"
rapid junco
Those days ago i discovered that those ships had the nickname of
"Fumando espero"
During WWII
Which translates to "Smoking i wait"
This was given due to the fact they produced a lot of smoke since they were coal fired
Which meant they were "Smoking while waiting to be torpedoed"
rapid junco
Oh
How i wish we had one of those
I mean, an expedition to find a sunken ship
dire silo
It would be quite nice.
rapid junco
In this case
Cruiser Bahia
Although she was sunk at around 4000 metres
Maybe i could shut up some conspiracy theorists who say she was torpedoed
dire silo
I saw a lad in al-chat fawning over the amalgamation of Shinano in Azur Lane. I do not think he knows that the Aircraft Carrier, Shinano was sunk by the USS Archerfish. This is what remains:
frigid karma
No, most people know
dire silo
I find the wrecks of ships in particular to be eerie.
frigid karma
Especially with archerfish having bits of shinanos rigging
rapid junco
I know that Vital de Oliveira was found when a fishing net went stuck on one of her cannons
dire silo
The sheer size of these ships in the vast depths of the ocean are most definitely deserving of a horror movie.
I found this to be a rather pleasant read: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/see-aircraft-carrier-it-died-horrible-death-one-important-reason-92301
frigid karma
I found this to be a rather pleasant read: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buz...
it shits unnecessarily on japan for keeping their pilots in the front
the US could afford to rotate because they were large enough to support this cycle in terms of manpower
japan was not
japan also doesn't really have the luxury of time, they wanted to force a decisive victory over the US quickly almost constantly and force a peace deal,
and to maximize the chance of that you want as many of your best pilots at the front
chilly osprey
National Interest
Oh I didn't see that Undie beat me to it XD
Granted, this is actually a better quality article than you usually get from them
dire silo
it shits unnecessarily on japan for keeping their pilots in the front
Japan did not have the resources to last during the war. It explains why their strategy changed from "decisive" and "calculated" to "rushed" and "sporadic". The first years of the war brought Japan great success. In the Philippines, Japanese troops occupied Manila in January 1942, although Corregidor held out until May; Singapore fell in February, and the Dutch East Indies and Rangoon (Burma) in early March. The Allies had difficulty maintaining communications with Australia, and British naval losses promised the Japanese navy further freedom of action. Tōjō grew in confidence and popularity and began to style himself somewhat in the manner of a fascist leader. But the U.S. Navy had not been permanently driven from the South Pacific. The Battle of Midway in June 1942 cost the Japanese fleet four aircraft carriers and many seasoned pilots, and the battle for Guadalcanal Island in the Solomons ended with Japanese withdrawal in February 1943. A truly unfortunate fate for a nation with a staggering amount of military promise. However, for what the consequences of Pacific Imperialism had done to the world, you may say it was "Well Deserved."
chilly osprey
Still would avoid TNI like the plague, though
frigid karma
japanese imperialism, its conflict with the US, and its collapse was an inevitability
imo
dire silo
Indubitably. (Unironic use of the word).
unborn wyvern
spiral cedar
I found this to be a rather pleasant read: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buz...
Ah geez, another Kyle Mizokami article 
It's mostly okay at least, but the final few paragraphs are off
Notably, there was another support carrier built, and before Shinano
HMS Unicorn
She's considered a CVL in airgroup capacity but she's the displacement of a Yorktown class
She effectively acts as a mobile airbase, complete with repair facilities, in part due to interwar British procurement politics
The RAF and RN competed for control over the airwings of the carriers
Unicorn was a product of this, as she effectively had to act as an airbase at sea if an RAF airfield wasn't available
Shinano as a ship is similar to an upscaled Unicorn, but with a slightly different doctrine. Rather than a logistical and basing role, Shinano was also planned for a combat role, positioned with Taihō and other (planned) armored carriers closer to the enemy than the cheaper, unarmored and mass-produced Unryūs, which would have a greater aircraft carrying efficiency per ton since they would be largely unarmored
Thus the armored carriers would absorb US air attacks, and damaged Japanese aircraft could land on Shinano to be repaired rather than having to struggle on back to their home carriers further away
The US, of course, never gave Japan the time it needed to implement such a scheme, and the effective destruction of the IJNAF at the Battle of the Philippine Sea ended the combat utility of the carrier arm for the rest of the war
spiral cedar
it shits unnecessarily on japan for keeping their pilots in the front
This was a foreseeable issue—after all, the USN had noticed from interwar fleet exercises that attrition amongst Navy pilots and airframes would be high, and they thus implemented a robust system to train new pilots. Both the RN and IJN failed to do so, though admittedly the RN was also under more political constraints.
Japan could have implemented such a system before the war, but was overly confident in their pilot quality over quantity to an excessive degree
Surely the air war in China could have clued them in—but the Army did more of the heavy lifting, and the Navy found excuses when they did suffer losses
So by the time war began, it was too late
This still does not excuse the Japanese decision to repeatedly commit their carrier air groups to land bases in the South Pacific, however, where the daily churn of bombing raids and duels with USAAF pilots wore down their numbers and fighting edge to the point where even a year and a half of recovery time between Santa Cruz and Philippine Sea was insufficient to replenish their carrier air groups in quality and quantity
Even under the Japanese concept of Kantai Kessen this was a frivolous waste of a valuable and, ultimately, irreplaceable resource in a non-decisive sector against forces that did not constitute the enemy's center of gravity
spiral cedar
Imagine believing the Merkava is real. Smh.
fierce sparrow
This is whats inside of the rear
In a Merkava
Worse... your removing almost all the ammunition
Not suprised, Simple History screw up the M4 Sherman before the_Chieftain call them out.
cinder escarp
Does Namer count as a Merkava ))))))
tough quail
kharkovite nightmares beyond our comprehension
tough quail
Still believing the Merkava myth... shame
to be fair i cant blame them
there has to be some saving grace to why the merkava is as stupid and bad as it is
unfortunately there really isn't outside of putting trophy on it
shrewd pecan
I don't really get entire obsession with the rear compartment of the merkava being able to potentially carry troops
main logic behind the engine being in the front isn't survivability or transporting troops, its rearming the tank while under fire since the thing is meant to hold a hole for hours on end and be able to resupply while doing so
even with the flaws in the armor its not really like its ever been a issue for the thing, things still rather survivable especially considering the thing was able to eat kornets and keep going during the 2006 Lebanon war
tepid mulch
spring briar
@manic latch
manic latch
<@688903088819404825>
Soyuz SAP
manic latch
spring briar
the copper rings rest on top of the grooves of the rifling without engaging the rifling
rapid junco
Damage that a Fritz X bomb made to USS Savannah
dapper parcel
Bourellets are basically soft(er) slippery metals for centering guide and gliding
The driving bands actually engage the rifling tho
rapid junco
@spring briar Did you know that in French
The only state of Brazil that is written differently from the others is Pernambuco? 
Not that different though
It's "Pernambouc"
spring briar
Bourellets are basically soft(er) slippery metals for centering guide and glidin...
that's what I said, no?
@manic latch it's done
spring briar
manic latch
<:RichelieuThink:911039681968341032>
At least we will see this shell in War Thunder
rapid junco
In French
The only Brazilian state that is written different from Portuguese
Is Pernambuco
Which in French is "Pernambouc"
manic latch
krem y u no happy
Lost promises
spring briar
why
manic latch
All these shell development/research etc for Soyuz. All to be wasted because of ww2
subtle prawn
dapper parcel
that's what I said, no?
I mean, there's multiple "yellow" rings with different purposes
subtle prawn
humble mulch
Yeah understandable
sullen canyon
Sounds about right to me
humble mulch
Stuart wasn’t underrated imo, it’s not Overrated either and is treated right imo
spring briar
maiden citrus
Yeah I’d say the lee, most people are realizing the Sherman was exceptional
tough quail
And mostly because of wot, and the Soviets
eh?
manic latch
“ coffin for 7 brothers” and all
You speak like Lee gets special powers when US crew 
spiral cedar
Tried a new kind of immune zone plot, this time including the fore and aft armored bulkheads (11.3” vertical Class A for South Dakota, steering gear protection ignored). Target is South Dakota and gun is Japanese 36cm with WWII shells (Kongō, Fusō, Ise). Also included is max gun range (38.8 kyds).
@maiden citrus @jagged monolith @spring briar @tough quail @eternal veldt @junior trench @ivory ridge
For comparison, contemporary battleship bulkhead protection
spiral cedar
The data table
spring briar
Didnt know you could make plots like that in excel
spiral cedar
They’re called Radar plots
spiral cedar
I actually used Google sheets for this since I couldn’t be arsed to copy paste into Excel
But you can’t do much to edit the radial “axis” in GS
So it’s a bit wonky
spring briar
I have this 
spiral cedar
I do find it interesting that only the later Iowas, Vanguard, and Yamato have thicker transverse armor bulkheads than SoDak
spiral cedar
I have this <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
TNT bricks?
spring briar
Nitrocellulose
spiral cedar
Better than picric acid
spiral cedar
spring briar
Fragmentation was good but the chunks did not have the velocity to really penetrate deeply into bulkheads
spiral cedar
All depends on dat bulkhead thickness
spring briar
And fragmentation size and resulting velocity too
Not a single 40mm bulkhead in sight
cinder escarp
tfw no BB caliber HEAT
strong plank
everyone gangsta til the enemy battleship fires a sabot round at you
chilly osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586216580463984650/1024934611630956554/IM...
Listing Littorio's aft bulkheads as 2.36" on .39" is... Curious
strong plank
babe wake up, new Potential History just dropped
spiral cedar
Listing Littorio's aft bulkheads as 2.36" on .39" is... Curious
Should be 11" right?
chilly osprey
Depends on the height, but yeah
Once you get below the tween deck the aft bulkhead drops from 280mm to 210mm, and then below that where the bulkhead slops in it's 70mm
Granted, to hit the aft transverse bullhead, you have to either penetrate a 70mm OD plate (of you hit above the battery deck), or a 36mm on 8mm deck, the an a 90mm plate, before you hit the 280mm bulkhead or barbette
And if you want to hit the 210mm section, you'd first have to penetrate the 36mm on 8mm deck, then the 100mm on 8mm deck below that. At which point the 210mm bulkhead could be hit
It is quite evident that the KISS principle was not really a huge influence on Littorio's design
cinder escarp
spaced armor
pugliese torpedo defense
No, they weren't trying to keep things simple
frigid karma
You speak like Lee gets special powers when US crew <:hmm:886726902449045534>
My brother in Christ im literally talking about it’s reputation
tough quail
i mean it's an anachronistic dipshit mobile when it goes into service
i know it has good armor but it's nowhere near good
zealous vine
Does anyone have the pic of an Atlanta-class but with triple 5" mounts instead
Forgive me for asking this
ivory ridge
the only triple 5inches ive seen on anything were on one of the cursed NC prelims
tough quail
based*
zealous vine
Man, i thought i remember seeing one though..
ivory ridge
Jesus christ it's a 35mb pic 
Funny comment from the thread this was posted in:
When she passed the Ionian coast my nephew started crying because he thought they were pirates.
desert agate
shrewd pecan
sometimes I wonder why amazon seems to fail so hard at moderating its platform
maiden citrus
Man, i thought i remember seeing one though..
it was an edit, I don't have it though
also the tank was fine as the channel has been over a lot
junior trench
M3 was a funny StuG in the CBI
spring briar
In September 1916, Michigan conducted gunnery practice with the old monitor Miantonomoh as a target, including night shooting drills on the 18th. On 21 September, during another round of shooting at Miantomomoh, the shell in the left gun in Michigan's forward superfiring turret exploded. The gun was severed where it exited the turret and fragments from the shell damaged the forecastle deck and the superstructure. One man was injured by a piece of debris. Michigan returned to the Philadelphia Navy Yard for repairs, arriving there two days later.
no casualties, nice
manic latch
@spring briar
Sovetskaya Ukraina's 406mm practice shell
spring briar
ya ik
manic latch
650kg, 1.4m lenght
spring briar
this shell
manic latch
this shell
Question rich. Is the first shell 406mm or 500mm
It is the 406mm SAP right
spring briar
the shell I drew yesterday yes
manic latch
China 8x8
ivory ridge
zealous vine
How much stress would a design with 6 triple mounts cause on a hull
eternal veldt
I'd be more concerned with the weight and protection of said ship.
stress should not be too big of an issue provided the ship is strongly constructed enough with sufficient strength.
zealous vine
Ntk
valid trout
How much stress would a design with 6 triple mounts cause on a hull
just combine the iowas and yamatos and you get the general idea
maiden citrus
that's the most powerful use of the word 'just' I have seen in a while
zealous vine
just combine the iowas and yamatos and you get the general idea
Thats.. an entirely different story lol
zealous vine
I intend to find the practicality in such a design in an original, and genuine way, and not through mushing 2 ships that happened to have a total gun barrel count of 18 guns
Combining 2 very big, and obviously distinct ships is just going to muddy the waters even more
manic latch
How much stress would a design with 6 triple mounts cause on a hull
Hmm
There was a Tillman with 5 triple irrc
Yeah man you will need a big ass boat
manic latch
How much stress would a design with 6 triple mounts cause on a hull
Now add more lenght for another turret
junior trench
I intend to find the practicality in such a design in an original, and genuine w...
at that point you drop two of the turrets and switch to larger guns
desert agate
drop 3 because ABQXY is really inefficient
zealous vine
Yee
junior trench
dropping three would get you ABY
zealous vine
or AXY
junior trench
desert agate
Pats obtained #winning
zealous vine
at that point you drop two of the turrets and switch to larger guns
Anyway, cool
desert agate
But yeah 6 turrets is just inefficient
junior trench
there are minor exceptions for very specific roles
desert agate
Either you have 2 amidships turrets which are doing nothing outside of narrow angles or you have triple superfiring which on a battleship results in a huge top weight from those barrettes
Yeah on a cruiser specifically AA cruiser it makes sense just not on a battleship
junior trench
Either you have 2 amidships turrets which are doing nothing outside of narrow an...
tbf, you can Mogamoid or pyramid each end, which somewhat alleviates the topweight
still inefficient
desert agate
Tone style with 4 turrets at the front
And tbqh if you're completely set on a single calibre just go up to quads
Rather than add more turrets
spring briar
junior trench
I'd only go for quads once you've exhausted caliber upgrades
i.e.
hitting 16-17"
desert agate
Depends maybe you're British and the admiralty won't let you use any guns other than the 15in
junior trench
they aren't going to let you use any turret other than an ancient 15" twin then, in that case
in which case you very well might have to go for absurd turret layouts if monsters like late model Yamato-class and Montanas are running around
desert agate
Those 15in shells were very expensive and goddamnit you're gonna use them
spring briar
choom why are we using 2 AP cap types on the same shell
and why are we using 2 types of rifling on the same turret
desert agate
Because they're British goddamnit and nothing's gonna stop them from being that
well
except maybe
spring briar
I suppose I as a Frenchman have no excuse
seeing as the 130mm vs 138.6mm war existed
maiden citrus
I propose
desert agate
except maybe
you know
maiden citrus
the 132mm
desert agate
this
maiden citrus
a compromise
ivory ridge
spring briar
manic latch
it had potential
Then why Alsace doesnt have it
Tell me what went wrong with 130mm Rich
spring briar
go read navweaps
manic latch
This DP design was not successful, as the very complicated semi-automatic loading mechanism was prone to jamming. In addition, the very high weight of the fixed ammunition led to rapid crew fatigue and much slower rates of fire.
So where is the potential
Slapping autoloader?
spring briar
then managed to unfuck the 130mm twin on Le Hardi and planned on using an improvement on the DP version of the 130 used on dunkerque on joffre
spring briar
where Maka
eternal veldt
Then why Alsace doesnt have it <:hmm:886726902449045534>
You asked? 
eternal veldt
WG should thank me for pioneering their Flandre
spring briar
Flandre is a tragedy
eternal veldt
game used to bring me a lot of joy, I assure you
maiden citrus
Go for 133
no, 132 is 5.2 inches
maiden citrus
where Maka
maiden citrus
eternal veldt
and hey, Riche, want to know something?
spring briar
depending on what it is ye
eternal veldt
WG was not the first one to use Gloire's camouflage on a different ship.
I made that shit first on Dunkek.
maiden citrus
honoeur
spring briar
very pretty
eternal veldt
I have some other spicier screenies, which I'll put...you know where.
otherwise I'll have some ruffled mods on my ass.
ivory ridge
manic latch
You asked? <:EmileSip:495396687158968321>
Yamero
eternal veldt
I've done shit far far worse 
spring briar
manic latch
🌕 
maiden citrus
moonuz
spring briar
Muz
manic latch
140mm ye
rare anchor
Can we talk about modern history
Or only the past
rare anchor
Well yesterday our world history has changed
spring briar
oh but I don't know if we can talk about that
rare anchor
I'm not sure
eternal veldt
We mostly stop around the cold war in general.
maiden citrus
I had a hot dog yesterday, and cake
rare anchor
Which country is growing bigger?
eternal veldt
If it's about current events, I highly suggest keeping it out.
spring briar
Somewhere in Eastern Europe
did you read what I just said
spring briar
let's not take any risk
manic latch
rare anchor
Netherlands is in Western Europe
maiden citrus
netherlands is in the atlantic ocean
eternal veldt
Netherlands is Netherlands
manic latch
In nether
eternal veldt
Sanglune is Netherlands
... Is what I'd like to say, if he wasnt fucking banned
Damn your gaslighting and your waifus for ruining the fun
rare anchor
On September 30 2022
Out world history has changed and world map is changr
maiden citrus
is it though
manic latch
rare anchor
A annexation took place yesterday
maiden citrus
modern politics is bonk worthy with good reason yeah
rare anchor
modern politics is bonk worthy with good reason yeah
What about modern history
rare anchor
So Modern history is not History?
manic latch
One will cause you get bonked by mod Alex
tough quail
there's a gag order on current events to avoid any politic shitstorms
rare anchor
I'm just saying that all 
tough quail
also controversial in the last, like, decade or two iirc
spring briar
strong plank
what’s the reason for the twisty bullet
maiden citrus
spring briar
what’s the reason for the twisty bullet
less penetration loss
spring briar
because the bullet spins
spring briar
so when the bullet hits a target the splines will nicely screw into the target (lewd)
manic latch
<:Buki:796536784062382080>
Mykolaiv Port.. A photograph from a German aircraft, July 1941
The numbers in the photo are:
1 - hull of the unfinished battleship "Sovetskaya Ukraina";
2 - hull of the cruiser "Ordzhonikidze" (project 68/Chapayev);
3 - submarines S-36iS-37;
4 - submarines S-35 (above), L-23 and L-24;
5 - destroyer "Svobodny";
6 - unfinished leader of the destroyers "Kiev";
7 - icebreaker "A. Mikoyan";
8 - Project 30 destroyer
9 - launched cruiser "Frunze" (project 68/Chapayev)
tough quail
rare anchor
Why do you mean stop
tough quail
again
talking about controversial current events are against the servers rules
it's a hell of a hornets nest and also something a lot of people want to avoid
manic latch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737123827967983617/867587917604716544/i...
Le Molotov's? Rangefinder
Oh ye it's Molotov
tough quail
3/10 not mounted high enough
manic latch
tough quail
nonsensical placement honestly
maiden citrus
what's the range between me and the nearest hot dog then
manic latch
what's the range between me and the nearest hot dog then
0 if a gentleman brings one to you
maiden citrus
true
tough quail
swell
spiral cedar
@rare anchor #server-news message
rare anchor
<@515745727578898433> https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/4606475837...
I already checked it
manic latch
spiral cedar
Good
spring briar
Le hello
manic latch
Le Molotov's? Rangefinder
I wonder if these rangefinders are unique design
spring briar
the rangefinder itself is only the tube
the housing is probably unique
I should look for a good book on the Kirovs
spring briar
Krazny Kavkaz and the Kirovs my beloveds
manic latch
Soyuz's rangefinder looks similar to it 
spiral cedar
How big is it
spring briar
Found the internals of this boy
spiral cedar
Le Molotov's? Rangefinder
This looks triplex?
manic latch
Found the internals of this boy
Huh
spiral cedar
Soyuz's rangefinder looks similar to it <a:cute3:1002365447569674384>
And this duplex
manic latch
Ye
spiral cedar
Any idea on magnification
manic latch