history

[spring briar]

Yus

[manic latch]

when Normandie, which had been requisitioned by the US Navy and renamed Lafayette, caught fire during conversion works, and subsequently capsized due to taking on too much extinguishing water. He could have saved the ship, based on his intimate knowledge of the liner's ballast systems, but the NYC Fire Department would not call on him.

[spring briar]

ready for round 2 bb

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

well?

[unborn wyvern]

Aktually it's the FDNY, Fire department of the City of New York 🤓

[manic latch]

You sure there?

Oh

Officially its different

[spring briar]

misfit

[manic latch]

[unborn wyvern]

It's officially the FDNY but only people who live in New York, people who work for them, or pedantic rivet counters care. I don't care I'm just being a shit

[dapper parcel]

It's just how it is
Like, it's usually xxPD for police department, but FDxx for fire department

it isn't universal tho

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/navalinstitute/status/1567242579049156608

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1982, the Danish frigate HDMS Peder Skram accidentally launched a Harpoon missile due to a technical malfunction. The so-called "Oops Missile" ("Hovsa Missil" in Danish) destroyed 4 holiday cottages and damaged 130 other buildings in Lumsaas, Denmark. No one was injured.

Twitter · Sep 6, 2022, 8:05 PM

[manic latch]

Kirov's trials were a disappointment as her Italian-built turbines initially had minor defects, and she was 1 knot (1.9 km/h; 1.2 mph) slower than guaranteed. The Italians pointed out that the guarantee only applied if she displaced 7200 tonnes or less, and she was overweight by over 500 tonnes (490 long tons; 550 short tons).
 Voroshilov's Soviet-built turbines were more powerful than anticipated, and she almost achieved her design speed

[tender monolith]

overweight by almost 10% and only 1 knot slow? dece

[humble mulch]

Ayo, new All Quiet on the Western Front teaser dropped

https://youtu.be/qFqgmaO15x4

[manic latch]

Nice

[tough quail]

https://twitter.com/aaf_lukas/status/1567244683146928128

Lukas Muller (@aaf_lukas)

Did you know that the Taliban possess a 80+ years old L3/35 (Carro Veloce CV-35) Italian-made tankette in working condition?

Likes

977

Retweets

146

Twitter · Sep 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2022/09/06/japan-to-build-two-massive-20000-ton-missile-defense-warships-indian-carrier-commissions

[tough quail]

explain @ivory ridge

[ivory ridge]

it was exported to a bunch of african countries

the US even found some in afghanistan

[tough quail]

incredible

[tough quail]

how the fuck do they still have it working though

[tender monolith]

when you haven't got anything else, may as well

[junior trench]

Khyber Pass Ferrari garages

duh

[tough quail]

fucking rad

[manic latch]

20k. Closest thing we will have for non Soviet Kirov class

Will be big babies

[frigid karma]

Hard to beat the 1979 version though

[humble mulch]

Oh for sure

just glad its coming back

[frigid karma]

There was version in 1930 too

Very well made for its time

And ironic

[frigid karma]

The Italians had a mostly agrarian economy in ww2 and a majority of their armored forces were supplied by the taliban

[ivory ridge]

Meanwhile Libya is still going around with their Palmarias

sometimes using them as direct fire weapons

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/698499877512151050/994734636783640616/The_Palmaria_the_Ferrari_of_artillery._Sirte_June_2016..gif

[frigid karma]

Americans found FTs in Afghanistan

[red crane]

Hello again, I've got a little question regarding to the dragon empery ships

Historically, did China had any other ship that can be considered for the game, being paper ship or real ship so far?

What I've mostly heard is that they completely ran out of ships to add, but maybe that's kinda exaggerating and actually have "something" to use as we've seen with PR and An Shan/Chang Chun retro and Chen Hai

[manic latch]

Very hard to tell before 1950s

[red crane]

Really any option at all?

[ivory ridge]

Given how they started adding ships that werent there in ww2, starting from hai tien and then with the SMS ships, all pre ww1 ships are available

so even a bunch of "Pre-dreds" (actually ironclads)

[red crane]

Ironclads are the ships before the dreadnoughts ones?

[ivory ridge]

before the pre dreds

[red crane]

Sorry if bad English

[ivory ridge]

it's between wooden ships and pre-dreds

[red crane]

oof

[manic latch]

I think there are some.
Chinese cruiser - CNT Montfalcone design. Italian design

[red crane]

That seems a bit too old

[manic latch]

Yeah...

[chilly osprey]

Chinese navy kind of barely existed, in terms of meaningful ships, in the WWII period

Basically a collection of relics or ships too small to be considered fleet vessels

[red crane]

But assuming they don't have many to choose, any ship could actually be an option?

[manic latch]

Also, the Chinese ordered from the same yards, the Yung Tuan and Ching-Po class destroyers, of 400 tons, and armed with 3x 12pdr, 4x 3pdr and 2x 18in TTs. The first one was seized and completed by the Austro-Hungarians in 1914 as Warasdiner. The second was seized by the Italians and renamed Ascaro.

[ivory ridge]

austro-hungarian*

this is before that was italy

[chilly osprey]

The Chinese navy never really recovered from the first Sino-Japanese war

[manic latch]

Fak

[red crane]

Or for retrofits, Yat Sen, Fu Shun or Tai Yuan?

[ivory ridge]

the other 2 anshans will get DDG kais for sure

because 🅱️ias

[manic latch]

Refits doesn't need to be historical. Manjuu can make it if they want

[ivory ridge]

still no Italian kai to this day

[manic latch]

Pompeo should been UR

[red crane]

I actually don't know much about it, but why?

[ivory ridge]

why what

[red crane]

Why Pompeo UR?

[manic latch]

8 135mm
40 knot speed
8 533mm
What more you can ask from a DD

[chilly osprey]

it not to be a copy of a WG bastardization rather than anything real

[spiral cedar]

Existing

[junior trench]

exis

[red crane]

[junior trench]

damn

[red crane]

Well, and about PR any chance or also it is "complicated" (?

[ivory ridge]

that class not being UR sets a weird precedent too

[manic latch]

Well they got Harbin as you see. So it's open

Can get ships from other tiers

[manic latch]

Especially if Mogador becomes UR

[red crane]

Yeah, but I don't really know WoW, and so far I've searched and found that Baijie is just Izumo but Chinese and they have other ships, but some should be retrofit for other factions ships like Aurora and Benson

I don't know if they have many that can actually be "usable" as PR ships in the future

[chilly osprey]

or just not make things up and accept the faction has effectively no ships relevant to the period

[manic latch]

Harbin and ships from other tiers are alternative history for example. They are what if USSR/US/British built those designs and sold it to China

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-hallucinations-gif-24630735

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

-100 credit

[chilly osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Kind of an inescapable fact

[red crane]

I see, then all we can cope it the future is another paper ship out of nowhere or Tai Yuan/Fu Shun retro

[manic latch]

@red crane I guess you can check this at worst outcome

https://naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2/chinese-navy-1930-45.php

[ivory ridge]

idk what would be worse, the mogadors being URs or them releasing a Spahkreuzers as UR

[chilly osprey]

It will always be hard to come up with ships for a navy that basically stopped existing after 1937 and lacked anything meaningful before that even

[manic latch]

Z-52 UR

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684721152739770371/1013830719207911454/speed2.gif

[red crane]

Thank you a lot

[frigid karma]

I would sooner force feed my grandmother a dog turd than allow her to lay eyes on naval-encyclopedia

That site is a fucking abomination

[manic latch]

True. But I'm shit with China navy info so this was best

[frigid karma]

No

[manic latch]

offer your source

[frigid karma]

It’s not

Wikipedia, probably

Better to have not a lot of info

Than to have lots of blatantly false shit

[chilly osprey]

No information is better than false information

[manic latch]

China web does have good info on it I guess

But language block

[chilly osprey]

You'd literally be better off just browsing navypedia or wikipedia

[manic latch]

Ok I should warn the guy

[frigid karma]

@eternal veldt tell kremlin just how bad naval encyclopedia is

You’ve been on that site far more than I have

[manic latch]

@red crane ok that site is kinda sus so it's best to double check the ships there with other sources

[frigid karma]

It’s horseshit, not just kind of sus

The amount of pictures from wows on there is an early warning

[chilly osprey]

But, as said before. The core issue is that the Chinese navy basically existed as a coastal defense force in this era, and entirely lacks anything on the same tier as any of the significant (even minor) naval powers of the era.

You only get stuff worth looking at if you go into the post-war era and let them use ships they were gifted after the war.

There isn't even much in the way of 'designs' to use, because the Chinese government wasn't really asking anyone for any designs on par with what most major navies were building. They knew they couldn't afford to procure or operate them.

[manic latch]

Yeah they may go cold war for more content in future. Or will rely on WG to release more Pan Asia lines as PR

Pan Asia Iowa as export

[chilly osprey]

Unironically you'd have more luck finding stuff to include for a Thai/Siamese faction than for a Chinese one

[manic latch]

Spanish

[chilly osprey]

Spanish, Argentine, yeah, there are a lot of minor naval powers of the era that still have far more to offer than China

[frigid karma]

Taiwanese yukikaze

[red crane]

Gunboats are Destroyers but smaller?

[ivory ridge]

shh dont spoil the next UR retro

coming next week

[frigid karma]

As long as it’s not IJN

Inshallah

[ivory ridge]

it's gonna be german

so even worse

[frigid karma]

[red crane]

Argentine actually had a fleet by that time...?

[chilly osprey]

No. Destroyers are generally fleet ships. They're fast, armed with a decent number of guns and torpedoes, and intended to be able to fight other destroyers or torpedo larger ships.

Gunboats vary in size, but are generally smaller than destroyers or modern (for the era) torpedo boats. Their gun armament at best would maybe be similar to that of a destroyer, but they were almost always quite slow, with limited endurance. They were coastal vessels for general patrol duties, shooting at pirates, that sort of thing

[red crane]

So far what I can think of are some ships bought to USA maybe?

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, they were one of the major South American naval powers. They actually had a decent sized and relatively modern fleet by WWII

[ivory ridge]

4 cruisers and 10 destroyers

[red crane]

Woah

I can think of Phoenix as the only one, but idk when it was sold

[ivory ridge]

one of the cruisers being an armored cruiser

no that was in the 60s

3 of their cruisers were italian

[red crane]

Sounds logic

Somehow

[ivory ridge]

Mini trento my beloved

[chilly osprey]

By the start of WWII the Argentines had, in terms of modern ships;

2x Heavy Cruisers (albeit small ones)
1x Light Cruiser
13x Destroyers
3x Submarines
8x Minesweepers

In addition to a number of older ships, including two dreadnought battleships, an armored cruiser, four pre-WWI destroyers, and a number of gunboats and minesweepers of similar vintage

[red crane]

Wait

[eternal veldt]

If you must insist on Chinese ships, there are a couple export cruiser designs from the Harima Shipbuilding Co. im Japan

There is also a seaplane carrier proposal, as I recall

[red crane]

Even if dreadnoughts ones, but Argentina actually had some Battleship!?

[eternal veldt]

See here.

[chilly osprey]

So did Brazil and Chile

[red crane]

[chilly osprey]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_dreadnought_race

[eternal veldt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivadavia-class_battleship

[red crane]

So it isn't impossible to think that there should be some more Dragon Empery ships?

[eternal veldt]

The more well known Agincourt was originally intended for Brazil as Rio de Janeiro, Eagle for Chile as Almirante Cochrane

[red crane]

Well, I didn't know about that armament race like that in South America

[eternal veldt]

I am very doubtful Manjuu will touch upon these ships, since barely anyone are aware of these export designs

The most logical route is to use ships sold to the PLAN/RoCN

i.e. HMS Mendip, or I should say, Miss Worldwide

But as other members of this channel already touched upon, the Chinese Navy is almost nonexistent by the time of WWII

[red crane]

I don't think it would be possible either to see ships like that, but would be nice to have South America ships since it would give a whole different place, would be a bit refreshing, but I don't think that would happen

[eternal veldt]

And I'd rather shoot myself than see members of the clown circus that is the Beiyang Fleet included

[red crane]

Beiyang fleet?

[eternal veldt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beiyang_Fleet

Hai Tien is already etching very close to this period

[red crane]

So you mean 1800 to close 1900 period?

[chilly osprey]

You would kind of hope they wouldn't be so desperate as to add such ships

[red crane]

Chen Hai is even a real ship tbw?

Having the power they have I can't think of any aircraft carrier or light aircraft carrier for the Chinese army

[eternal veldt]

https://www.navypedia.org/ships/china/ch_cv_chen_hai.htm

Its a seaplane tender. Auxiliary at best.

[red crane]

Seaplane tender... Is like the smallest kind of carrier? Sorry for my ignorance

[eternal veldt]

Given the nature of the developer, I'm not sure.

[chilly osprey]

Seaplane tenders generally aren't considered carriers

They're typically merchant ships converted to handle seaplanes, though sometimes they're purpose-built

In some navies you had small cruisers designed to act as seaplane tenders first and foremost

[red crane]

The Beiyang fleet isn't that big, just 6 ships, even if they were willing to use them, it wouldn't really last much

And then the same problem again

[eternal veldt]

6 ships is a lot for a minor faction, especially for one of small stature like the PLAN/RoCN

[red crane]

Yeah, but if they have an event they would have to put some of them in one try, like, for being THAT old I suppose they wouldn't be SR, at best elite or even lower

[eternal veldt]

Especially since two of those ironclads/BBs were considered the best in the Asian region until the Japanese seized them in the First Sino-Japanese war

[red crane]

So they would at least have some main fleet ships finally

[eternal veldt]

I don't think time period particularly matters, when ships like Mikasa exist

[red crane]

How old is Mikasa?

[eternal veldt]

Younger than the Beiyang Fleet, but quite older than many ships of 1910-1930 in AL

[red crane]

[chilly osprey]

Mikasa commissioned in 1902

[red crane]

Ha Tien is 1898?

[eternal veldt]

Yes

[red crane]

Now that I've read that about the Beiyang fleet

It would be nice, because they don't really have any other option

And their history isn't that boring too for being Chinese

[manic latch]

I still love how interesting life of Molotov was

Being first Soviet ship with radar. Then suddenly forced to use it alot to warn Soviet bases against German air raids

Her ass gets blown up by likely Italian boats. Instead of having a whole new stern constructed the work saw her steal the stern of the incomplete Project 68 cruiser Frunze, the rudder from another Project 68 cruiser which was the Zheleznyakov, the steering gear from the Project 26Bis2 class cruiser Kaganovich, and the steering sensor from the submarine L-25 which made her distinctly different from then on out from her sisters as she was made up of parts from 4 other ships

Then she launched a Supermarine Spitfire from her catapult as test later

Then she gets a modernization in 1952 with new radar removal of torps/catapult etc

Then she witnesses the destruction of Cesare/Novo

Then uhhh her name changes from Molotov to Slava since Khrushchev dislikes Molotov

Then she comes near Syria during 6 day War to show support in 1967

And then other deployment in 1970 after the Project 56 class destroyer Bravyi had collided with the British aircraft carrier Ark Royal,

And eventually getting scrapped in 1972 for being old

[exotic scarab]

how about storm of steel

or rommels book

[strong plank]

rommel wrote a book?

"how it was totally the Italians who lost North Africa, and not me whatsoever"

[spiral cedar]

https://youtu.be/AJXKVOxqkWM

[exotic scarab]

infantry attack

it was about his expirence in the alpenjager on the italian front

[spiral cedar]

Attacks, plural

[exotic scarab]

all quiet has already been done

the western front is overstaturated with films

how about one in the east or the balkans for english

[humble mulch]

all quite on the western front is still better then most if not all other book depicting war imo

[exotic scarab]

lol no

i had to read for school and it is very much a poltical message

currently reading storm of steel and it is a lot more matter of fact and good for actually learning

[humble mulch]

Yeah

never said it wasnt a message on how war sucks lol, is still most likely gonna be a good film

[strong plank]

I'll give it a watch if it's a good adaptation

since I never read the og

[humble mulch]

Heard good things of storm of steel

[strong plank]

thinking on the books I have read though

I think it was called like

"a jew in hitler's army"?

[humble mulch]

also I should have said movies, and not books

[exotic scarab]

yeah it'll be good since there pouring money into it

Blizzard of Souls is one I found after searching about the latvian rifleman

[humble mulch]

so I dont piss off any Sun Tzu simps

[exotic scarab]

my dude

[humble mulch]

lazer I know

[exotic scarab]

sun tzu is not a good book for ww1

[strong plank]

reminds me, I never did get very far into The Book of Five Rings

[humble mulch]

oh for sure

[exotic scarab]

theres kinda a 10+ year gap between sun tzu and ww1

[humble mulch]

again I was vauge for films
but Im a dumbass and said books

Sure theres some other damn good war books
also
yeah art of war is for really stupid people

[exotic scarab]

but yeah i'd like a ww1 film with the kinda budget a big name like netflix can throw into the ring for a front that isnt the west

[strong plank]

oh the actual book for War Horse is pretty good too

[humble mulch]

well is storm of steel an eastern front book?

[exotic scarab]

because while other countries have made films based on their part of the war

[exotic scarab]

no

at least not the start

[strong plank]

I think 1917 showed that there's definitely a bigger market for well-produced ww1 content than most people thought

[humble mulch]

for sure

the war horse movie did well iirc too

[exotic scarab]

said other countries/studios dont have the same big budget that netflix can throw around

[strong plank]

oh yeah idk if y'all ever saw Greyhound but the book for that is pretty neat too

[humble mulch]

Netflix has helped other nations war films I think

[strong plank]

originally titled The Good Shepherd but they reprinted it under Greyhound

yeah

like

[humble mulch]

theres some ww2 film about market garden thats really good and I think Netflix helped it the same way

[exotic scarab]

yeah

I meant netflix as a example

[humble mulch]

that one was fucking good too

[strong plank]

I swear 2/3 of the ww1-ww2 docuseries I find on netflix are french

[humble mulch]

AH ok

lmao

[exotic scarab]

but there was one hungarian film about ww1 that while good

[strong plank]

like, french production dubbed over in english

[humble mulch]

never translated

[exotic scarab]

you could tell they werent rolling in the cash

[strong plank]

there was another good netflix thing I saw recently

Mincemeat was pretty good but that wasn't it

[exotic scarab]

i dont watch netflix much

[humble mulch]

me crying cause romanians never translate anything

[exotic scarab]

since the wifi on my tv is ass

[humble mulch]

oof

[exotic scarab]

romanian ww1 film be like "how we stole most of hungary"

[humble mulch]

yeah and mobile isnt the same

[humble mulch]

As they should

[exotic scarab]

mobile is for the dreadnoughts and gaming vids

[strong plank]

oh found it

[exotic scarab]

the french making haiti pay for independence and basically burning their already struggling economy was the heist of the 19th century

[strong plank]

The Forgotten Battle

[exotic scarab]

trianon is the heist of the 20rth

[strong plank]

about the Battle of the Schelde

[humble mulch]

Yeah

thats a fucking amazing one

[exotic scarab]

sounds neet

also wish there was more then like sharpe,waterloo and war and peace for napleonic shows and films

[strong plank]

yeah the foreign/international productions have been really killing it these last few years

[humble mulch]

SAME BROOOOO

FUCK
GIVE ME A NEW SEASON OF HORNBLOWER

OR A NELSON MOVIE FOR FUCKS SAKE

[exotic scarab]

there area few woman if you want to go woke

[humble mulch]

lmao

[exotic scarab]

whats her name the girl that joined the freikorps

[humble mulch]

thats a US only problem

[exotic scarab]

Eleonore Prochaska

[humble mulch]

And with napleonic shit, it would certainly be more catered to a UK/FR audience

i hope

[exotic scarab]

[frigid karma]

nah fuck that

[exotic scarab]

dont remind me

[frigid karma]

give me a show on the burma front

[humble mulch]

lmao

[frigid karma]

there's literally

like

[exotic scarab]

there is no napleonic wargaming in wisconsin I can find online

[humble mulch]

give me 20 Aussies running around with owens

[frigid karma]

10000 films on the western front / pacific

[humble mulch]

bro wtf

[frigid karma]

5000 on the eastern front

and like

8 trillion on the chinese front

(all those movies are made in china)

[exotic scarab]

[frigid karma]

but none on the burmese front

goddamit india

[humble mulch]

yall have 0 napleonic wargaming that far east?

[exotic scarab]

there was also some ww1 film about the poles I cant seem to find on wikipedia

[humble mulch]

holly fuck

[exotic scarab]

....

[strong plank]

I'm excited for that Devotion movie that's coming soon

[exotic scarab]

wisconsin isnt east

[frigid karma]

make one of your soap operas with like 500 powerpoint transitions when a japanese person gets decapitated by a gurkha

[exotic scarab]

[humble mulch]

You are east of me

[frigid karma]

i wanna see a gurkha pull hollywood shit

[humble mulch]

Im in CA

[exotic scarab]

its middle of america

[strong plank]

i don't care that it has midway-level cgi, we almost never get korean war content

[humble mulch]

the closer you get to the east coast, the more of that shit you see

[exotic scarab]

and thats just looking for it specfically online

[humble mulch]

Ah ok

Also China makes some good war movies

[exotic scarab]

there area few wargaming places i'll try asking once I build up more then the starting army

[humble mulch]

biased as fuck but still good

what scale you doing?

[exotic scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585560118465265811.gif?v=1

[humble mulch]

28mm/15mm?

[exotic scarab]

warlord

[humble mulch]

Oh pog

I work for them kinda?

[exotic scarab]

for now

.....

[humble mulch]

licensed retailer

[exotic scarab]

how much to get them to expand the austrian line

[humble mulch]

lmao

[exotic scarab]

if I cant have a army thats more diverse then a major company ad

[humble mulch]

off topic, but warlord has like 8 game systems, and has to make ship for all of them. And injection molds aint cheap, so give it umm like 3 years? They got the Prussians just this year

I mainly do their ww2 games and those are slow as fucking shit

[exotic scarab]

[humble mulch]

pretty sure you could paint up prussians or french as Austrians

[exotic scarab]

so are real battles

[humble mulch]

cause like at 15mm you cant fucking tell

[exotic scarab]

anyway a certain game got me thinking

how the hell did rasputin surive so many attempts on his life

[humble mulch]

but yeah
makes me sad that Napoleonic's is so big but doesnt get many movies

lmao Rasputin was build different

[tender monolith]

i personally believe he was a lich

[exotic scarab]

i mean for all intents and purposes he was a crazy guy from some random russian village

that somehow made his way to the top of rushia

[frigid karma]

some of them are pretty good

others are total memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRpYxkBaj7g&ab_channel=MuhammadMusawarShe

this one, for example

[humble mulch]

i know that one

[spiral cedar]

@maiden citrus @jagged monolith @spring briar @tough quail @eternal veldt @junior trench @ivory ridge
Comparison of NC, SD, and KGV immune zones (incl. KGV magazines) against Bismarck APC. In general, KGV machinery vs. mags improves inner zone by ~2k yards (+0.98") and outer zone by 6k yards (+0.98"), while NC vs. SD improves inner zone by ~3k yards (+0.2" & +4 deg plus 1.25" hull) and outer zone by 2-3k yards (+0.38-1.17").

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

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[somber knoll]

[eternal veldt]

Ngl, I really don't want Beiyang Fleet wank

Defunct shells that don't explode, piss poor training, breech explosion, all because funds are siphoned to fund Dowager Cixi's toilet towels

Then ordered to commit suicide because the emperor asked "where is the fleet"

[alpine onyx]

tbh, most of the Chinese Navy in the 30s/40s I know of is that they god folded into a paper crane by the IJN

[eternal veldt]

The Chinese as a whole is far too complacent or in inner turmoil in the mid 19th to mid century 20th century, honestly

Thus the so called Century of Humiliation

[shrewd pecan]

from one of the old worlds primer naval powers to nothing back to a growing naval power

[desert agate]

Growing?

The PLAN is the 2nd most powerful fleet on the planet I'd argue they've reached the status of naval power

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[spiral cedar]

they're still growing

[shrewd pecan]

they haven't really gotten to the point of "we can't build more because the upkeep cost is killing us" yet

(tho there probably nearing that point)

[junior trench]

just saying 2nd most powerful kind of obscures the matter

[shrewd pecan]

Russians still sitting on dead tonnage

in terms of Dragon Empery if they want to tap into both post war navies I feel like there's still plenty to go with

the postwar ROCS Tenchs would probably be good candidates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cutlass_(SS-478)

[junior trench]

also like

even if the US split the whole navy in half

the PLAN would still be below parity

only irl there's no threat worth having a 50/50 split

[shrewd pecan]

hell even the early Mings and the Romeos could probably work knowing how shitty the Romeo is

[junior trench]

why do I feel like I'm about to be disappeared

[shrewd pecan]

"Type 035G: Program begun in 1985, and the first unit with pennant number 356 was launched in 1989, entering service in December 1990, and state certification received in 1993. This is the first Type 035 series to have anti-submarine (ASW) capability. The primary weaponry for Type 035G is Yu-3 torpedo, and French sonar DUUX-5 and its Chinese-built version were used on later units, 12 of which were completed between 1990 and 1999. The last unit with pennant number 308 was lengthened by 2 meters (6 ft 7 in) to add a section for AIP tests.[4][5]" god I love hate the Mings

[gilded girder]

INDONESIA MENTIONED WOOOO

[shrewd pecan]

"Type 035B: Latest version of the Type 035 submarine. First batch of four completed between 2000 through 2003, and additional order followed sometimes later. Conning tower and certain portion of hull was redesigned, with new structure similar to that of Type 039 submarine. This type was capable of launching land attack cruise missiles from torpedo tubes."

the end result of modernizing a glorified WW2 type design

[ivory ridge]

Ernest Hemingway on Mussolini

[frigid karma]

everyone knows if you try to read french upside down, what comes out sounds vaguely like italian

[spiral cedar]

held upside down
Predicting the future I see

[eternal veldt]

He's just looking at Australian English amirite guys hahahahahaha I'm funny

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Man that was a smart name wish they kept

Like the Shepherd is the destroyers and convoy is its sheeps

And submarines are wolves

[eternal veldt]

Where in god's name are you going to find a mahan class for filming?

Ironbottom Sound?

[maiden citrus]

build one

[eternal veldt]

Are you sure you want to see something like this Maka

[alpine onyx]

Smol

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/Kb1u6Oov9dM

[ivory ridge]

I do

Pocket botes

[eternal veldt]

Where's Sirene's pic of Abruzzi dressed up as Littorio

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

there we go, there, your pocket Littorio

[spring briar]

very adorable

I'll take one

[manic latch]

So that's how Smol Soyuz would look like

[eternal veldt]

almost mistook the pic as Gota Lejon, ngl

too fucking similar

[alpine onyx]

Abruzzi was dressed up as HMS Valiant

https://youtu.be/ebv3qBFEDLs

[eternal veldt]

Oh, It was Valiant? No wonder the bridge looked off.

[spring briar]

how convincing

[alpine onyx]

I only skimmed through the movie, doesn't look like you have some large overhead shots where it'd be blatantly obvious

For some shots they reused older footage, or borrowed some shots from another bote, dunno, but can't complain

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkZZSw28Q

[manic latch]

@spring briar @tough quail

Once French ships come

Their AL skins shall also with it

I really love the small detail of naming the gun calibers

[spring briar]

La Galissonniere with 105mm belt vs Koln
oh boy it'll be so fun

[alpine onyx]

but will LaGal have more than 13,000 rounds of auxiliary ammo cramped into a small house on the deck?

[manic latch]

Ye Rich hand it over

Magazine locations of LaGal

With smaller gun ammos included

[eternal veldt]

Just checking... is it 400 rpg for the main armament?

[spring briar]

sirene is trying to get a reaction out of me

[alpine onyx]

I'm mainly poking fun at that game's inability to model boats

[spring briar]

but it matters nought
La Gal is impervious to such foolery

[alpine onyx]

because they placed the entirety of Köln's auxiliary magazines on the weather deck

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

not, you know, under the main deck where it was

[spring briar]

they wha

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

I imagine they will model Algerie's deck as a uniform 80mm
god that would be funny

[eternal veldt]

For some reason Gaijin's weathering and deck colouring doesn't feel right with me

[alpine onyx]

Found it

[eternal veldt]

and I'm really skeptical of their Dido's colours, but we already know their Hood's fucked, so not even a problem

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Are those should be delivered by elevator?

[alpine onyx]

the rest of the auxiliary ammo is between the funnels, you can see it on the pic as well

[spring briar]

oh god I thought you meant La Gals's smol hangar

not an actual shed for ammo

[eternal veldt]

shh, it's just the 37mm ammo

[alpine onyx]

The auxiliary magazines were mostly in between the two aft 15cm magazines

[spring briar]

Koln is still pretty dang strong in WT from what I've heard

also Emden

[alpine onyx]

remembers spawning 9km away from Hood

[spring briar]

because somehow the turtleback does what turtleback in games do

[alpine onyx]

ten seconds later half the ship evaporated

[spring briar]

only half?

[alpine onyx]

was just an HE salvo that landed close

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Oh, and Sirene. If it isn't too much of a bother, care to check how accurate this thing is?

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/dkm/cruisers/Konigsberg1940-700-fh/Flyhawk1940Koniegsberg.htm

No internal layouts blah blah blah, of course, just shapes and stuff.

[alpine onyx]

sure

Doesn't say from what year that model is from, but if it's supposed to be wartime then she's missing the revolving position right in front of the tubular mast, which was added around 1938

also either perspective is screwing with things or the aft rangefinder is too short, it's supposed to be a 6m one that just barely rotates past the mast

[spring briar]

any news on the Gloire model or was that scrapped?

[eternal veldt]

It's 1940.

[alpine onyx]

then she needs that lil box

[eternal veldt]

[alpine onyx]

it's also in le blueprints

revision July 1940

[eternal veldt]

No new catalogue yet, so

rangefinder should be just about right from this look.

[spring briar]

why she been scrapped

[eternal veldt]

It's more a case of we don't know what will happen yet

[spring briar]

ah

well if Konigsberg gets the green light

then Gloire certainly too, right?

[eternal veldt]

Their Formidable was teased for at least 3 years

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Then, out of nowhere last week:

In short, the catalogue is useless

The company does whatever the fuck they want

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

So far, Ajax, Z*mwalt and Formidable were the only ones that were actually released this year

[spring briar]

Gloire will be released with the MN in warthunder then

[eternal veldt]

Gloire and Scheer will be very very tempting

[spring briar]

Z*mwalt

really

[eternal veldt]

Gloire is coming to WT?

[spring briar]

no lol

that's the joke

[eternal veldt]

[spring briar]

damn

to think scheer is the last capital ship IB can get in AL without dipping into WW1

or paper

[eternal veldt]

I'm not exactly sure what's taking so long for their Duke of York, that shit's been on there for at least 5 years

[spring briar]

lol

[eternal veldt]

and they released their Shinyhorse and Gneisenau already

[spring briar]

ofc

[eternal veldt]

And everyone and their mother loves shitting out the Counties and Exeter recently

[spring briar]

y tho

[maiden citrus]

'maka are you sure you want to see compact chonk botes'

yes

[eternal veldt]

right, why did I even bother asking

[spring briar]

maka

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

gives maka a Mississippi class hot dog

[maiden citrus]

aw yis

good hot doge

[spring briar]

with some greek flavours

[spring briar]

always love to see some willies jeeps

oh yes two weeks ago there was a tank exhibition (they also drove) close to my village

I touched an m36 jackson

an m18 hellcat

a sherman 76

a stug

and a T-34-85

amongst other wheeled vehicles

[tender monolith]

v cool

[spring briar]

and some 105mm howitzers

I also almost got run over by the Sherman

but not really

[unborn wyvern]

"Local ouiaboo runs infront of tank, more at 11"

[spring briar]

first of all

[tender monolith]

ouiaboo is hilarious

does that make the american equivalent a freeaboo

[spring briar]

yes

[tribal mortar]

in AL/KC, Shimakaze both pictured as a very fast ships... is there any historical parts that make the devs decide to make their shimakaze being fast as fu

[strong plank]

…

because the actual ship was really fast?

[spring briar]

ye she was the fastest IJN DD

[tribal mortar]

hmmm... oh okay... thanks for info, and is there any ships in WWII era that is faster than Shimakaze?

[spring briar]

the Le Fantasques

Tashkent

The Capitani Romanis

[tribal mortar]

okay... thanks for info

[alpine onyx]

Plenty of ships faster than Shima

[spring briar]

was shima capped at 39 or 41

can't remember

[alpine onyx]

40.9

Rated 39kn

[spring briar]

yeah in that case afaik some other french DD's in various classes went faster than that
dunno about other navies, haven't done the research

[alpine onyx]

On the German end Z-17 went 41.45kn during trials

And a good number of 39+kn results

[frigid karma]

i want to protecc that tiny bow

[dapper parcel]

nice touch repainting the hull number btw

[red crane]

Hello again

I have a little question, if ever, Long Island sister ship HMS Archer is going to enter the game, what name should it have?

Because along the history it had quite some names

[tough quail]

almost certainly archer

see: chaser

[red crane]

Yeah, but USS Archer? Or HMS Archer?

Because of having a sister ship from another faction

Because it were something like this

HMS Archer > Empire Legan > USS Archer > Anna Salén > Tasmania > Union Reliance

Of course it is going to be either USS or HMS, but kinda curious that a single ship got 6 different names like this

[unborn wyvern]

Actually sterling Mallory archer in the episode where they go to space

[junior trench]

USS Maury's absolutely blistering trials run

[manic latch]

Highest speed by US destroyer, 42.8

[spring briar]

Very respectable

[manic latch]

Hell it's 0.1 knot faster than Tashkent (with guns)

[spring briar]

But USS Maury is more respectable for her 16 battlestars

16 i tell you

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/470628763970043904/1011387548276375592/output-onlinegiftools_5.gif

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Maury, along with Dunlap and Craven, launched a surprise torpedo attack that sank Japanese destroyers Hagikaze, Arashi, and Kawakaze, the first US Navy victory in a night torpedo engagement.

[spring briar]

Blessed 16 torps

[spring briar]

Damn you

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466250908682944522/1009955828595445760/sex.gif

[junior trench]

Well

Second highest if you count Timmerman

[manic latch]

Wot Timmerman record

[junior trench]

43 knots

[manic latch]

Damn Wiki lied to me

[junior trench]

Timmerman was an experimental testbed though

Still armed

[manic latch]

100,000 shp (75 MW) (in theory); 1 (port) General Electric Turbine 2,000psi/1,050 °F, 1 (starboard)

[junior trench]

But a postwar "hey, what if we..." Project using a spare Gearing

[manic latch]

What the fuck

That's 40k more than Gearing

[spring briar]

Turbines baby

[manic latch]

So uhh

Why she failed

Or did they use the experiment data she was for ever again

Hell it's not even written if she ever did speed trial

[junior trench]

Because the USN literally put in their reqs that they didn't expect Timmerman to be reliable and basically asked the builders to go wild experimenting

And that short of gross construction negligence any cost overruns would be picked up

Basically the ultimate tinker project on the scale of a ship

Timmerman paved the way for the near doubling of steam pressure on USN ships that still used boilers

While also providing the first test case for gas turbines afloat

[spring briar]

Timmerman is a nice name

It’s the dutch word for Carpenter

Literally tinkering

But as I understand it she was named after someone with Timmerman as a last name

[tribal mortar]

Behold, the IJN's 300m aircraft carrier proposal

[spiral cedar]

[dapper parcel]

looks like your typical Japanese hobby magazine magic bullshit

[frigid karma]

Midway still longer

[dapper parcel]

Imagine going backward to small/no bridge concept after Midway

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

No island

[manic latch]

You mean like...United States?

[frigid karma]

US had to handle newer planes that they thought would be too big to fit past islands

They believed the island’s role could be replaced by other command ships to provide radar coverage or use aircraft with early warning radar

[manic latch]

Bombers*

[dapper parcel]

Japan can't even put a f'ing working CIC

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

It’s not really a conventional Cv anyways

She’s a cva

[white rose]

@chilly flower Oi, can you boys identify the plane model pictured here? They’re from Bon Homme Richard’s rigging.

[spiral cedar]

@chilly flower

[frigid karma]

cv-31 is adorable

[white rose]

That doesn’t answer my question of what model planes those are

[frigid karma]

too cute for this world

i'd defer to pretz's opinion

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

Pretz lives

[chilly flower]

Initially thought they might have been one of the TBF/TBM Avenger models that had the ball turret replaced with more canopy, but on closer inspection they seem more like the standard model (albeit the gun isn't visible)

Just, errr, the wings are pretty scuffed
Fuselage and engine cowling too, but moreso in scaling in the like

[manic latch]

Tashkent pfp detected, respected gained

[humble mulch]

Pretz I love and miss you

[spiral cedar]

for 🥨

[manic latch]

Guy likes IL-2 and has Tashkent pfp

Of course he was chad

And still is

[tough quail]

pretz is the one that introduced me to the peak of PTAB wank so yes

[silver crest]

i really hate how hiro onoda's story is viewed as a heart-warming story about a soldier surrendering after 30 years of holding out

he was terrorizing and killing civilians while stealing their stuff the entire time

[strong plank]

I’d still kill to see it made into a movie tho

[frigid karma]

cia pysops

[somber knoll]

I don't think Hiraga himself (he wasn't the designer, I know, but still) would be this high on hopium.

[exotic scarab]

how the hell do you get 40 moths in a bag

[silent oxide]

carefully

[spiral cedar]

With a flame

[frigid karma]

acquire bag
acquire 40 moths

[strong plank]

POCKET MOTHS

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-sand-dale-king-of-the-hill-gif-15251105

[cinder escarp]

It turns out the Soviets spent a lot more work on fixed 122mm ammo than I had past realized

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2022/09/a-round-too-long.html

[fierce sparrow]

Rewatching the teaser again and oh! Saint Chamonds

[spring briar]

Oh

Oh non

[frigid karma]

i recall there was another shot with them far away

i'm bummed we never see schneiders in media though

maybe because anyone who tried to drive even a prop model of it would try to kill themselves

[fierce sparrow]

oh! And those roadwheels looks very BMP like

[cinder escarp]

It's the PT-76/BTR-50/GM chassis running gear

[fierce sparrow]

Or maybe MT-LB.. im unsure of this

[frigid karma]

Hmm

So are those dressed up PT-76s?

Or just shoddy cgi

[fierce sparrow]

If its CGI and i'm Impressed if they pull it off.
But its probably a prop.

[cinder escarp]

MT-LBs come from that same bastardized family of PT-76/BTR-50/GM Chassis

It's as common as the M113 chassis family is in the west

[manic latch]

Nice nice nice

[ivory ridge]

God has abandoned us

[manic latch]

Yeah Hybrid Monty is...

Unique let's say

[cinder escarp]

Least impractical battlecarrier?

[manic latch]

European Destroyers

Another branch of European destroyers will be introduced next year. It will bring in representatives of several European countries, such as Poland, Norway, Turkey, and Greece. These will be Tier V–X destroyers with powerful artillery armament having a caliber of up to 140 mm.

[somber knoll]

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

put it on now

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

Sus

[manic latch]

[jovial elm]

Current circumstances in the uk aren't great...

[manic latch]

Queen

One of few persons left on world who stepped on HMS Vanguard

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Oh shit is it almost time for my ticket to a Republic?

[tough quail]

spon trying not to be edgy the second the british are brought up challenge (impossible)

[desert agate]

It's not edgy I just hate the monarchy

[tough quail]

it's very edgy

[desert agate]

if she dies she dies I'm not fussed either way, I'd rather she live a few more years but end of the day I want a Republic and her death will be the catalyst

Everyone's gotta die eventually

Just a damn shame her successor is Charles

[spring briar]

join the club bro

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/_ZfzxOE7fdg

[tough quail]

oh god

[spring briar]

I mean

The Mess did well

Initially

[manic latch]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61585886

[eager dove]

I fucking learned about the Queen dying through a ping on the this discord

2022 has no mercy

[tough quail]

i learned about it (well, before she died) by a forza update stream getting cancelled

[humble mulch]

My Irish Ex-fiancé called me to tell me the news

[manic latch]

To think Queen ruled long as the existence of Soviet Union

[tough quail]

thereabouts

about 4 years off i think, if it actually lined up that'd be freaky

[jovial elm]

Her first official duty as a member of the royal family was christening hms vanguard

This is definitely a moment

[tough quail]

technically counts as living long i guess

[manic latch]

1953-2022
1922-1991

[tough quail]

..

well shiet

[frigid karma]

RIP

[tough quail]

looking at twitter during this has shaved actual mass off of my brain

at least there's less weight on my neck now

and this is Not The Best of Times

[manic latch]

I hate CIA so much

[tough quail]

wh

...

how did they fuck up a naming scheme so

incredibly simple..

[manic latch]

Treti International is %100 Kronshtadt that they think as BB

No clue where name come from tho

[tough quail]

i mean its not a bad one tbf

[manic latch]

Yeah actually a cool name

[dapper parcel]

at least not as bad as ONI's intel on Japan

I mean, how hard was it to get someone who actually speak the language. With proper obfuscation you don't even need them to be on your side

[manic latch]

Wait wait wait wait...

'"Two gun towers replaced by two rocket towers"

Wait is that CIA falling in K-1000 prank of KGB

[dapper parcel]

"Towers" implied it was almost verbatim report from their eastern european sources, not necessarily CIA's internal report and conclusion(?)

[tough quail]

did you not know about that

the CIA fell for K-1000 hook line and sinker

[manic latch]

"Observed"

[dapper parcel]

Oh, so still the same old ONI syndrome then

[shrewd pecan]

probably misreporting of another ship

This is pre satellite or effective aerial reconnaissance over the USSR

with SIGINIT and other intelligence gathering techniques still very much in development

[dapper parcel]

Their sources aren't necessarily one from who familiar with the subject matter. That's why they're susceptible to distorted POV

[shrewd pecan]

no shit the early CIAs going to fuck up their intelligence reports using entirely 2nd hand sources

[dapper parcel]

A layperson for example wouldn't necessarily able to distinguish a battleship from another warship

[tough quail]

it kind of bit them in the ass throughout the cold war

[jovial elm]

Now come the wars of succession. Once again, the bloodline of Hanover shall plunge Europe into the fires of war.

I'm not sure whose side 'm local lord is taking in the inevitable succession war.

[manic latch]

Sir this is Walmart

[tough quail]

they bit the k1000 bait so eagerly they often ignored their own intel on actual soviet technological breakthroughs thinking it's fabricated

which lead to the usual stuff like what the FUCK IS AN AKULA

?????????

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the Soviets were actively promoting K1000 as well

[tough quail]

...yes

thus "bait"

[shrewd pecan]

yeah I wonder why the heads of the CIA who likely aren’t too well informed on naval matters are gonna take the battleship bait

[tough quail]

i wonder why the heads of the CIA are falling for misinformation campaigns

do you get this weirdly defensive about everything

[dapper parcel]

Wasn't that a function on how they expand their network at that time?
Once they're focused on a theory, they recruit their experts and sources based on that particular leads

Thus bias reinforcement

[maiden citrus]

Remember when the us convinced the soviets they could bounce lasers off the atmosphere to shoot down nukes and used it to catch spies

[manic latch]

When it's America 🦅

[tough quail]

yeah that sounds about right

[frigid karma]

The CIA is the CIA

It is not incapable nor infallible

[tough quail]

i love me some batshit insane cold war pseudo science garbage

[frigid karma]

Stop your nationalist wanking

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it’s not a CIA only thing for a intelligence agency to get afixed to certain false intelligence reports

Initially I was just commenting on the document made up of entirely 2nd hand sources

[maiden citrus]

Problem is certain people get anal about it the opposite direction when that’s not true either

[manic latch]

True.

[spring briar]

reads about early B29 production in Kansas

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-excuse-me-reading-gif-13121148

[frigid karma]

Oh this is definitely directed towards kremlin as well lmao

[strong plank]

STAR WARS did see some success in testing iirc

like

reeeally limited success

[maiden citrus]

They did find out it can make noise though, accurate enough to replicate human speech, so for the gulf war they thought about using a giant laser head of god speaking to them

[tough quail]

yeah that's some certified darpa mad science

[shrewd pecan]

average darpa schizophrenia

[maiden citrus]

Let me get on my computer to see if I can find that part, it’s wack

[strong plank]

iirc the problem they ran into was that missiles turn in flight, so the laser wasn’t as effective as it needed to be

[spring briar]

Darpa be like

We got this new tech

[manic latch]

A missile know where it is

[spring briar]

no news for 10 years

Oh we scrapped it

[tough quail]

darpa is just the natural conclusion of giving scientists and engineers superpower money, cold war paranoia and the veneer of being super secret spy technicians

and a lot of meth

[strong plank]

but the technology is still available

[tough quail]

hell they probably invented super meth for their own use

[shrewd pecan]

probably

[maiden citrus]

yeah, with further development it woulda probably worked but it was too much, so they just used it as soviet spy bait by making it really secrety and letting them leak it and see the soviets pour a bajillion dollars they don't have into sites trying it

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-dreamworks-2010-movie-films-gif-17322190

megamind is a documentary

[shrewd pecan]

I mean in three decades DARPA took us from night vision goggles being a cool newly thing being widely issued to these things being two years away from wide service

[manic latch]

MK-Ultra never stopped in 1970s

[frigid karma]

Reminder the only reason why Vietnam ghost noises didn’t work is because they scared the southern Vietnamese even more

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoi_Hannah

[maiden citrus]

further on that front, it would not surprise me at all if it works now

[manic latch]

Hannah is better

[strong plank]

reminds me of how they used the SR-71 in Vietnam

[maiden citrus]

since part of the problem lately (and even with that project) is maintaining the illusion of mad

[frigid karma]

Could an SR71 outrun modern AA missiles

[maiden citrus]

yes

[shrewd pecan]

probably not

[strong plank]

Depends

[manic latch]

Doesn't things like R-73 go 5-6 Mach

[shrewd pecan]

depends on the missile yeah but I don’t really see it doing well against the type of air defense missiles coming out

[maiden citrus]

probably not straight up to the edge of the atmosphere is the thing

in level flight sure

[dapper parcel]

"outrunning" a missile is all about depleting its energy budget. Not necessarily actually outrunning it by speed
Almost all AA missile are ballistic to some extent

[spiral cedar]

This but it's Hatsune Miku

[maiden citrus]

I seem to recall at least one missile could outrun the blackbird's officially released paper specs, but it didn't matter because it also had to climb to the edge of the stratosphere to do it

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[maiden citrus]

it's the speed + height that make it untouchable

[manic latch]

Satellites being better can't be the only reason she retire

[maiden citrus]

eh sure it can

[manic latch]

Hmm

[maiden citrus]

we can see the entire planet

[shrewd pecan]

They were stupidly expensive to operate

[manic latch]

But why bring SR-72

[shrewd pecan]

on top of lacking key modernizations

[maiden citrus]

not much point for a very fast camera when you can see the whole world

[shrewd pecan]

SR-72 is a private project by Lockheed for the most part

[dapper parcel]

resolution and dwell time is still a problem with satellite

[manic latch]

I forgot how rich they become

[frigid karma]

Hear me out

SR-71

But we carry lots of large condoms labeled as medium

Crippling morale bombardment

[shrewd pecan]

Airforce also has new platforms

For the job

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-180

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Rip bay loaders

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_RQ-170_Sentinel

[manic latch]

They did removed drones B-21 would get right

Now she is

Droneless

[shrewd pecan]

Both of these are in service platforms

Able to perform deep penetration reconnaissance/ISR

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Speaking of scout drones. They might make rocket artillery great in WT

Like remember commander's view

Where you can shoot using his view

Imagine using the drone for artillery aiming

[shrewd pecan]

Bringing up the MLRSs that high would be cancer

[manic latch]

well they are useless otherwise

[shrewd pecan]

only thing I can think that would be useful for is the bandkanon

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Was thinking a solution for type 75

[strong plank]

obligatory RIP X-47

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Love this Easter Egg in Vietnam map in WT

[shrewd pecan]

The navy never able to get a proper naval aviation project completed

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She will live through China

[shrewd pecan]

the twentieth million Chinese private project to be developed and never adopted because the PLA never asked for it

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[spring briar]

[tribal mortar]

Ehe te nandayo

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1567908588026314752

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1923, the U.S. Navy suffered its worst peacetime loss when 7 destroyers ran aground at Honda Point, CA. Navigational errors, heavy fog and the squadron commander's order for all ships to remain in close formation led to the disaster.

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[maiden citrus]

my cabbages clemsones

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/07/hms-prince-wales-will-escorted-dry-dock-doesnt-become-stranded/

ironic

[maiden citrus]

I remember there being a joke here that the us would end up escorting these ships

https://puu.sh/Jkp4S.png

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could they rename the QE to QE (the second)?

they name them after historical monarchs

of which QE II is one now

and it wouldn't break the "don't change name" rule, seeing as, well

[hushed saffron]

What, are they just gonna hastily scribble on a little 2 in permanent marker?

[frigid karma]

Well, no

The name would still be Queen Elizabeth

Just, named after the 2nd one

[desert agate]

HMS Queen Elizabeth won't be renamed

If she ever does get a ship named for her it'll be called HMS Queen Elizabeth the 2nd

Because Queen Elizabeth II is already the name of a ship

[tired flower]

F-4 phantom be stationed in udorn airbase during Vietnam War

[night heart]

Rip Queen Elizabeth

[silver crest]

victoria is from the house of hanover while edward 7 is saxe-coburg and gotha

why the different houses even though edward is a direct descendant of victoria?

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/qzaOba-aYOg

[manic latch]

When you see it

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/gEb_CfgX2Bw

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/ZZ6Jx9dwpZo

[cinder escarp]

BOVINGTOOOOOOON

(don't listen to anything bovington says for factuality, they are full of idiocy)

[humble mulch]

Making a 1/56 scale model building of the Stalingrad Fire Station

[tough quail]

based

[humble mulch]

It's a beautiful building, gonna print a ton of shit to make baracades from tables, chairs, bunk beds, and have wrecked fire trucks and stuff

I can't be fucked to get the current tomatoe juice red cause it's literally 4 feet long, but I'm gonna wash and do a lot of detailing for it over few months

Making a Stalingrad table/diorama like thing so it's a great addition to the collection

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[midnight aurora]

that really is a kickass building

[tough quail]

yeah thats gorgeous

[midnight aurora]

rest of the tower is on the printer I assume?

[manic latch]

Eclecticism architecture

[humble mulch]

Na, doing it during ww2

The photo was of its rebuilding

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No tower yes

[humble mulch]

And the one roof part is missing cause I have the full interior as well, so it just makes it easier to open up and get inside

[tough quail]

yooo @desert agate

https://i.imgur.com/qrwALet.png

[frigid karma]

No ADS though

Better stick to the jungle

[tough quail]

uh

the sights are offset

like every other top mounted magazine gun

[spiral cedar]

.

[tough quail]

ye

i imagine a looooot of smgs were usually hipfired

[tough quail]

excellent

[spring briar]

I come with pictures

[maiden citrus]

those cuties in pic 3

[desert agate]

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[tough quail]

ye boi

added as an smg option for the US in the pacific theatre they're adding

[desert agate]

no kokoda campaign

[rapid junco]

Elizabeth II visiting the "Monument to the Dead in WW2" in 1968

[frigid karma]

To the dead?

Death is a term, dead refers to the people

[rapid junco]

*Typo in my part

[ivory ridge]

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/ZKWYIiUoM04