history

[gilded girder]

It does help for sure

[spiral cedar]

The A-scope search radars were hard to use, yes, but SG is a PPI radar present on some of the ships (e.g. Helena) and were indeed underutilized until later in the campaign

[gilded girder]

Ahh

[spiral cedar]

Shell splash spotting would be a gunnery radar thing, not search radar

[gilded girder]

Whoops

[spiral cedar]

The USN used their gunnery radars but didn’t take full advantage of their surface search sets until later

It’s also true the early gunnery radars had issues, but that was more due to poor bearing resolution on the FC radar—it was capable of spotting splashes at the short ranges of night actions, but they and the ships would merge together on the A-scope display due to the resolution issues

[manic latch]

Damn I didn't knew this

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1563889434843545600

Come on embed

[rapid junco]

That's worse when i saw a site that i don't remember
Making a subtitle for the picture of the launching of Minas Geraes as
"Launching of HMS Rio de Janeiro"

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/sqOiTXmi1QU

[eternal veldt]

I've seen some shit

It's either very good, or very bad for the website

I don't blame them, most of them most likely came from the authors

I forgot if it's this one that got labelled as Repulse or Renown - Not the case anyway, it's one of the Outrageous

There were a couple bad hits with the QEs, but nothing too noteworthy on my mind atm.

[alpine onyx]

Such an outrageous error

Aha

Ahaha

[eternal veldt]

You both are inglorious bastards.

[spring briar]

Rip

[chilly osprey]

There's no replacement for displacement

[strong plank]

Y’all know what time it is

[manic latch]

Licking?

[maiden citrus]

a good time

[maiden citrus]

based

[manic latch]

Italian engineering

Tito's boat

[strong plank]

Caught a glimpse of the Big E on the drive in

[shrewd pecan]

ah yes Wisconsin

[strong plank]

Big Wisky herself

[manic latch]

Tho think Montana would look damn similar with this angle

[strong plank]

Kongou has been demoted to heavy cruiser

Obligatory shell pic for Richy

[manic latch]

Soviets: True info

[unborn wyvern]

WhisKy

I've been on her too. Shame none of my photos got save :U

[spiral cedar]

Demoted by means of 2700 lb AP

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Drone fren

[manic latch]

Who is that women at back

[unborn wyvern]

"Your mother"

~French espionage agent

[maiden citrus]

I would say me, but blonde hair

[tough quail]

palette swap maka

[maiden citrus]

my smash ultimate alt color

[frigid karma]

not big enough

[maiden citrus]

eh, true

[strong plank]

The Wisconsin backrooms

[spring briar]

Long

[frigid karma]

noclip into iowa booty

[unborn wyvern]

Is there a WisKy shipgirl? Kancolle has Iowa, Warship girls has Missouri and arpeggio and azur lane have New Jersey so who's got Wisconsin?

[tender monolith]

you know, i don't think there is one

well know you know your calling lol

[ivory ridge]

WSG has all 4 Iowas

1938 program

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1563944850940207109

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

Some highlights from the #JesoloAirShow. Cool to see aircraft such as the MB339 and M346.

Twitter · Aug 28, 2022, 5:41 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NAVSEA/status/1563588844242382850

NAVSEA (@NAVSEA)

The keel for the Future USS Enterprise (CVN 80) has been laid and the ceremony is over. It was a great event with distinguished guests, including Retired Chief Petty Officer Bill Norberg, who served aboard the USS Enterprise (CVN 6) during the entirety of WWII.
#NAVSEA #USNavy

Twitter · Aug 27, 2022, 6:06 PM

[tough quail]

Rad

[ruby zinc]

bruh new orleans didnt suck with diz alot of damage

[desert agate]

what

[spiral cedar]

“sink” maybe

aka expressing amazement that she did not sink from that level of damage

[eternal veldt]

With the exception of Tuscaloosa, every New Orleans is either mauled pretty badly or sunk

Tuscaloosa, the special child of the family, both service history and design wise.

[alpine onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371433115970961411/966255869744533554/unknown.png

Hey Quincy are you al- holy effing Jesus!

[eternal veldt]

She's ok

[manic latch]

@rapid junco

https://www.airdatanews.com/sold-as-scrap-sao-paulo-aircraft-carrier-is-banned-from-entering-turkey/

Sooo. Who will scrap it now

[gilded girder]

@humble mulch
https://twitter.com/dewszt/status/1563978385843372033?t=fv5MxlogqwHRfrxLkvtCBg&s=19

Dew (@dewszt)

Romanian Revolution, 1989

Likes

2153

Retweets

294

Twitter · Aug 28, 2022, 7:54 PM

[rapid junco]

I hope that means a Victory for Emerson Miura

The founder of the Institute Foch/São Paulo

[shrewd pecan]

It’s probably gonna just head off to india

Or any other major scrapping nation

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

I can’t imagine that thing being preserved with fire damage bad enough to knock it out of service entirely

[manic latch]

"The biggest fear of the Turks is about the presence of asbestos contained in the ship.
The amount of the highly carcinogenic substance present on the boat is unknown. Some sources cite that there may be around 9.6 tons of the material, while others mention something around 700 tons"

[shrewd pecan]

Ship itself is also pretty ancient and from what I’ve seen from a glance is that Brazil no longer owns it since she was sold for scrap

[humble mulch]

Me and the boys

Also that’s a fucking huge jump in how much asbestos that ship has

[shrewd pecan]

That may of been one of the other issues why Brazil didn’t put her back into service thinking about it now

[gilded girder]

Where'd all that asbestos cone from

Anyways

[cinder escarp]

"Somewhere between 9.6 and 700 tons"

ah yes, very precise

[shrewd pecan]

she was built in the 50s

[cinder escarp]

Old warships are full of the stuff as insulation and fireproofing

[gilded girder]

Ah i see

[cinder escarp]

It is why the recent tender to scrap the vessel my father served on, USS Dubuque LPD-8, got exactly zero bids

The cost of asbestos remediation on that LPD was more than her scrap value

[humble mulch]

Could also be why kitty hawks scrap price was so low lol

[cinder escarp]

For reference by the way, 700t is roughly the amount of asbestos that was on Clemencau

Instead the USN is going to pay to have Dubuque stripped out of pocket, and use her in a sinkex

[alpine onyx]

Asbestos, the mircale insulation material

[strong plank]

what could go wrong

[shrewd pecan]

clearly nothing bad can come from its use

we should put it everywhere

[humble mulch]

We used to light houses with open air gases and wonder why people saw shit at night and just died

[alpine onyx]

Mix it into concrete for construction

So that you can't properly dispose of it

[humble mulch]

God

I’m hoping they didn’t mix it with asphalt

Now that’d be bad

[ivory ridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1564232747492823042?t=kMxFvvtDylvVO74FirJbFw&s=19

[rapid junco]

About São Paulo
I don't know how she is internally after the explosion
I would have to ask Emerson about it

Still
I should say that He's responsible for this

[celest fractal]

Is the Zumwalt class a success or a failure?

[ivory ridge]

depends how you look at it

economically a failure, design wise mostly a failure, technologically impressive

we have to wait and see what they do with the guns now

[rapid junco]

Can we say it's a suffering from sucess moment?

[manic latch]

Success of what tho

[humble mulch]

Looking fresh as fuck

[maiden citrus]

from trying to put so many first rate, bleeding edge systems on one ship that one failing to have ammo made due to economics made it look bad

[manic latch]

I thought that was Gerald

24? New systems on new hull

[tribal mortar]

BC Glorious and CVL Ibuki

[ivory ridge]

ibooki

[tribal mortar]

Best cinnamon roll

[somber knoll]

does anyone have the specs for the BTD-1 airframe?

[rapid junco]

It's the meme

[dapper parcel]

what spec?

[somber knoll]

or rather the full technical specification of the BTD-1 dive bomber.

[manic latch]

Dive bomber?

Ain't she torpedo plane

Nvm she was both

[somber knoll]

Yeh.

[dapper parcel]

it being "BTD" should give a hint

[somber knoll]

I find it rather weird that it was not as, at the very least, favourable compared to the Curtiss' offering

also

2 1600 AP bombs.

you have one job Manjuu

[dapper parcel]

If this game's scaling is consistent, XTB2D should carry 8 torps ffs

[somber knoll]

damn it now I want a UR Skyraider.

[frigid karma]

Sky raider and BTD should both be UR planes tbh

[somber knoll]

yep

[frigid karma]

But BTD was release and they made her worse than Helldiver for some reason

[somber knoll]

I figure the BTD became gold because of its performance reasons?

like

[frigid karma]

Ye

But devs don’t know balance

So btd is straight up worse

[somber knoll]

thought the Skypirate carried just 6?

[somber knoll]

tho I also think because the bombs in-game was not AP, so it ends up worse than Helldiver ffs.

[frigid karma]

8

They’re gonna make skyraider the UR, just watch

[somber knoll]

and at that time Devs haven't figured out the calculation for AP bombs damage reliably.

[frigid karma]

[somber knoll]

[frigid karma]

Probably because skyraider is more famous tho

Saw service actually

[somber knoll]

"the anachronism of the Jet Age"

then its kid dominated the CAS market, that kid being the Warthog.

[manic latch]

Wait Skypirate is 6. Not sure about skyraider

[dapper parcel]

I was poking fun at how TBs here carry 2x their actual payload
Skypirate realistically carry at most 4, 2 internal + 2 pylon. Tho it does have enough hardpoint for 6

[somber knoll]

lul, figured

[manic latch]

Skyshark, Skyraider, mauler*

I think BTD was underpowered

As I remember

Mauler would be damn nice

[dapper parcel]

I mean, if they managed to fuck up this then idk

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_XF8B I want this

Jack of all trades

[somber knoll]

yeah, they got problems with the Wright engine and then later tried the electric turboprop with no avail.

[manic latch]

Designed for various roles including interceptor, long-range escort fighter, dive-bomber, and torpedo bomber, the final design embodied a number of innovative features in order to accomplish the various roles.

[somber knoll]

in-game Boeing: oi Naval HQ can we have the XF8B for the SKK in the lab?
in-game Grumman: heh heh no Bearcat go brrr

[manic latch]

She not even in War thunder

But yeah US has shitload options for UR gear in future

For now Tenrai and Wyvern is king

Wyvern irl: Drops 1 torp

Wyvern AL: 4 baby

[somber knoll]

Tenrai had no business carrying 4 AP bombs.

as an interceptor

: I. want. my. jets.
HQ: ha ha no.

[tough quail]

because this games bomb design is garbage nonsense

they dont scale up well with weight at all

[manic latch]

Ye

And machines guns are important as well now

Wyvern for example is also effective because of her 4 20mm shooting enemy planes

[tough quail]

always been important, but yeah

btw this is why we probably have TB wyverns instead of DB

[manic latch]

UR TU-91 as torpedo plane for Volga. Has 2 23mm on wings and 2 23mm as back turret. Make the turret shoot down planes she couldn't frontally

[tough quail]

despite a btd having like

a slightly higher bomb weight than a wyvern

because the wyvern is packing 6x 500lbs it would be doing

uh

about 2x the damage of a helldiver, before counting the UR stat boost

[manic latch]

At least SU-2 has 6 100lb bombs as skipping

[manic latch]

Up to 600 kg (1,300 lb) of bombs in the internal bomb bay and underwing hardpoints

[somber knoll]

it's AP too in some cases.

tho if they do that Tenrai will be nerfed from the getgo

[somber knoll]

le funni thing is, between Seafang with 4 20 mm auto cannons and Hellcats with 2 20 mms and 2 .50 cals, the latter is the better choice for AA... in game at least

tho I assume British 20 mms were a bit... subpar compared to their American counterpart's

[manic latch]

But American still use 2 .50 cal

Smoller guns

[somber knoll]

yeh

[manic latch]

Oh God

They will add Me262 naval variant won't they

4 30mm

[somber knoll]

idk, prolly with Europa or Richtoffen

[dapper parcel]

Knowing this game's demography Me262 is inevitable

[somber knoll]

verscheisse Wehrbs

[manic latch]

Is that...

AWACS Ar-234

[somber knoll]

Yikes

12 AM gang

it's possibly an UR too. so they need to handwave a UR carrier to add it.

Sex: I want my Panther

[celest fractal]

Should the F-35 be renamed to E/A-35?

[humble mulch]

Oh no does it have loot boxes or a subscription service?

[humble mulch]

Ngl tho a German AWACS with the ww2 camos would look pretty damn cool, swatiza on the top tho is dumb

[dapper parcel]

E/A-35
I don't think F-35 is doing electronic warfare specific role

[manic latch]

Gib TU-91 Torpedo bomber

Sadly cancelled since death of Stalin also cancelled carrier construction projects

And Khrushchev called plane ugly soo

Despite performing good

[celest fractal]

It mostly does Sensor Fusion and Ground Attack
That’s why I think it’ll be appropriate to be designated as E/A-35

[dapper parcel]

So far E is specifically ECM/ECCM and SEAD tho

[manic latch]

But if Manjuu wants model design only for Soviet carrier jets instead using the TU-91. They can go with the Number 509

But Gib Tu-91 with 23mm

And 23mm turret

Volga would be proud

[rapid junco]

What is the... oddest company to produce something towards the war effort?

I'll start with something here
Maybe it's not that odd, but it is still gets a mention

The railroad company Estrada de Ferro Central do Brasil produced the engines of the sub chaser Rio Pardo

[shrewd pecan]

naval 262 sounds like a absolute nightmare in terms of accident related deaths of naval aviation pilots

[desert agate]

We had some die casters making guns

Specifically the Austen mk 1 and 2

And some sugar cane plantations up in Papua New Guinea produced medical supplies for Australian troops on Kokoda iirc

Also produced some active combatants

Holden, the now defunct car manufacturer made 40mm bofors guns

[hazy ether]

Owen Submachine gun originally was a gun designed by a teenager gun hobbyist

[desert agate]

And also manufactured ammunition

Best smg of the war

[humble mulch]

How do you aim it

[desert agate]

Cheap, incredibly reliable and highly effective in the jungles of New Guinea

[humble mulch]

That’s one thing I’ve never really understood with top feed guns

[desert agate]

In short

You dont

[humble mulch]

Is there like just an offset sight

Ah

[hazy ether]

Just spray

[humble mulch]

So paint ball

That’s gotta be fun

[desert agate]

There is an offset sight but general practice was always to fire from the hip

[humble mulch]

Understandable

[desert agate]

Actually firing from the sights was not a common occurrence

[humble mulch]

Never really common to fire from cover in jungles

[hazy ether]

Owen's reliability and effectiveness is timeless

[humble mulch]

Just spray and pray from behind a tree

[desert agate]

Because fact is in the close quarters of PNG you don't need to fire from the shoulder, you'll hit regardless of how you aim it at distances like that

[humble mulch]

Yeah

[hazy ether]

There's a reason why Owen is the favourite personal weapon of a certain former president

[desert agate]

2nd battle of Kokoda was fought at ranges 50m and less

[humble mulch]

It’s like what 50 yard ranges

Yee

Fucking danger close

[desert agate]

Australian troops liked to avoid firing in the jungle until they could guarantee a kill which often meant waiting until the last possible moment to avoid revealing their location for as long as possible

Since Japanese troops normally had numerical advantages and had mountain artillery and mortar detachments which could cause incredible damage

There's a reason why the Owen's performance in the South Pacific and Vietnam is often emphasised while its Korean war performance is often ignored

[humble mulch]

It was used in Korea?

Damn all the way to Vietnam

[hazy ether]

Eclipsed by other weapon systems in Korea

[humble mulch]

That’s a pretty good service life for literally sheet metal

[desert agate]

Left service in 1971

[humble mulch]

Yeah Korea has quite a decent amount of platforms being used

[hazy ether]

Owen still found a way until 2003 lmao

[desert agate]

Replaced by the F1 before smgs were removed from Australian service in the early 80s

[humble mulch]

Could you gump a Owen?

Like modernize it and stuff

[desert agate]

Tbh there's probably some Papuan police regiments with Owen's lying around

I've never head of it done

[humble mulch]

Yeah it’s more so done to not smgs

[hazy ether]

Iirc Owen is among weapons captured from rebels during 2003 rebellion in Northern Sumatra

[humble mulch]

And mainly taking rifles that are imported for cheap

[desert agate]

I think the most you could add is an underbarrel torch or smth for indoor fighting

[humble mulch]

Flashlight right

[desert agate]

There's really not much to work with

Yes torch = flashlight

[hazy ether]

Design already peaked, no need to improve

[humble mulch]

Yeah just wondering

Modernizing usually doesn’t actually help all that much outside for like, hunting?

More so wondering cause then there’d be some cursed versions out there

[desert agate]

Hunting with an smg have fun digging out dozens of .45 rounds from your kill

Owen's are pretty rare these days anyway so not many around to butcher

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Majority of hunters I meet in person aren’t the eating kind where I am

[desert agate]

The ones in private ownership are mostly in the US and Canada and the remainder are either hiding or locked away in some forgotten armaments locker

[hazy ether]

If there's pdf blueprints circulating around, there'll be always new owens

[humble mulch]

For example a Owen would be fucking great at coyote hunting

[desert agate]

And yeah some bikie gangs made some Owen's a few years back

Or almost made

They got busted before finishing them

[hazy ether]

Makes sense for a gun that can be produced in home garage or workshops

Slap the blueprint and they're good to go

[desert agate]

Biggest trouble here is ammunition plus some of the finer components like recoil springs

But criminal gangs will do as they do

Oh and tea

[humble mulch]

Yes

[desert agate]

We used SMLEs in Korea

As in mk3 Lee Enfields from 1908

[humble mulch]

Well yeah
I figured that would happen

Given like
Don’t you guys import your guns to a degree?

[desert agate]

We kept manufacturing them up until 1945 only barely starting to transition to mk5s in the final year of the war, and basically abandoning the transition after the war ended

Nah small arms were almost entirely manufactured here

[humble mulch]

Ah yeah that makes more sense

Y’all made them so you just kept using them

[desert agate]

We got Thompson's from Lend Lease but basically everything else came from Lithgow

[humble mulch]

Which is fair

[desert agate]

Yeah we had the machining and tooling for them and they're perfectly fine rifles

[humble mulch]

Yeah they aren’t like trash and you can fire them fucking fast

[hazy ether]

You lads uses Owen so you don't have to buy the more expensive Thompsons anymore i presume

[humble mulch]

The Thompson was pretty shit

[desert agate]

Well we got Thompson's from lend lease

Didn't like them but we had so many that we used them anyway

[humble mulch]

My least favorite smg from the war due to design and cause I am from Chicago

[desert agate]

We had wayyy more Thompson's than Owen's and Owen production took a little while to get going

So the first year or so of the war had more Thompson's on the front line than Owens

And while we did our best to phase them out from service with the 7th divvy etc we simply didn't have the manufacturing capacity to equip the whole army with the Owen so they stuck around in some units until the end of the war

Militia forces normally ended up with a lot of Thompson's tho

[humble mulch]

Yeah that’s understandable

As least it’s better then Romanians hell whole of smgs

[desert agate]

Ripppp

[hazy ether]

I've heard some history about Australian enclave fighting guerilla warfare in East Indies shortly after the great retreat

[desert agate]

I'd recommend looking at the Timor campaign if you wanna know more about Australian guerilla fighting

[humble mulch]

Every smg in the photos is different, and they were basically supplied with 5ish different smgs, stole Russian ones, and hand their own

[desert agate]

Anyway goodnight

[hazy ether]

Yes that one

[humble mulch]

Night hit

[hazy ether]

Not much happening in East Indies during the war aside from being the place for Japanese big ships to anchor and rest

[spring briar]

Am back from Epernay

[molten patio]

https://www.gearrice.com/update/heat-wave-exposes-sunken-wwii-ships/

Yoooo

Any interesting information bout this ship?

oh its not just this, theres more wreck that it threaten river navigation

[frigid karma]

Yeah but it has that funky grip

[shrewd pecan]

anyone have a good sources or documents for the proposed missile conversions for Hawaii and Kentucky?

[manic latch]

Ok from what I remember

US Battleship Conversion Projects 1942-1965 an illustrated technical reference Paperback – February 5, 2013​

[manic latch]

This book had the most detailed Iowa conversion stuff as I know

Then this I think

Battleships: United States Battleships, 1935-1992 Hardcover – April 1, 1995​

[shrewd pecan]

🏴‍☠️

digging I ago

o shit the books aren't even that expensive

only 32 bucks for the first one

well can't get the first one sadly as PDF unless anyone here has it

fortunately got the second one

basically just want something that gives me the proposed armament for both so I can use it for something stupid I'm working on

[manic latch]

You may use this as well I guess

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/iowa-and-alaska-class-conversion-projects.7220/

Whole topic discussion around them

[maiden citrus]

I will take that pdf and save it

interesting reading will always be interesting reading

[manic latch]

@maiden citrus

Heavy-armored protection guarantees the high survivability of the battleship:
the side armor thickness is 406-482 mm; the upper deck, 102 mm; the main deck,
152 mm; combat center has 440 mm of armor; the side armor on the main battery
turrets is 432 mm thick, its rear walls, 305 mm, and the thickness of the roof
armor is 184 mm.

[manic latch]

Tfw Soviets still have wrong info on Iowa's armor in 1980s

The fuck is 482mm

[shrewd pecan]

also curious if anyone has anything on American/British anti ship missile projects in the 1950s/1960s

[maiden citrus]

when I make a ship:

[humble mulch]

Me in UAD lmao

Death brick time fuckers

[maiden citrus]

truthfully 482 is a bit above most things I have made

not by much though

[shrewd pecan]

generally put I need shit for countering a 1950s Nazi Germany that’s likely gonna be doubling down on surface raiders and also maintaining a decent battleship fleet

[maiden citrus]

I think the thickest I have gone is 533

[manic latch]

I don't except much penetration. Given Soyuzes weren't build and Project 24s died with Stalin's death. So biggest threat was Sverdlov etc type ships

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[manic latch]

What if like

Fritz X style

As I know it can pen +150mm

[shrewd pecan]

I probably need to just make something up and base it off of the Swedish missile around the time

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RB_04

While not quite 1950s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Rb_08#Service

both would be in the general time frame of the scenario I’m working with

tbh I’m half tempted to just smack a radar seeker on a Regulus and just nuking German battleships

[manic latch]

What about Gorgons

[ivory ridge]

19 inches

482.6

[manic latch]

And people wonder why Project 24 wanted 457mm/55

[shrewd pecan]

o damn

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gorgon

That might also be a working point

[manic latch]

Ye

[manic latch]

And this girl

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-N-2_Bat

[shrewd pecan]

I’m likely gonna be dealing with the Bismarck’s, a pair of H39s, some weird H41 development and a bunch of battlecruisers and panzerschiffes

I’m assuming the Iowa’s are gonna be rather well suited for the task so will likely the alaskas since they can actually do what there design to do

[manic latch]

Wiki says Raeder removed P class in 1939. So maybe no Panzerschiffs

[maiden citrus]

more pockets less hippers?

[shrewd pecan]

It’s scenario where Germany peace’s out with Britain after defeating France and wins against the Soviets

[maiden citrus]

you already massively improved the german navy

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

and Britain and the US go on to defeat japan

so we’re basically assuming going in there’s a new German naval program roughly along the lines of plan z

so germanys pumping out battleships and panzerschiffes to catch up with Britain

[shrewd pecan]

in the scenario they only have like three hippers

Possibly 4 if we give them the one that went to the Soviets

They still lost the one to Norway

[manic latch]

Blucher

[shrewd pecan]

I should totally smack a nuke at the end of that

[chilly osprey]

Has to be said, that's kind of playing a loosing game

The British were capable of outbuilding the Germans by a pretty wide margin

[shrewd pecan]

Germans also apparently still have the Vichy French fleet onside as well

[chilly osprey]

As in, they would have been able to put all six Lion's into service before the first H-39

[shrewd pecan]

I’ll have to see what Britain has

[chilly osprey]

And that's with the simultaneous carrier construction

And ungodly cruiser spam

[shrewd pecan]

Think Britain will have about 3-4 the Lions alongside vanguard

[chilly osprey]

Germany kind of needed the Italians and Japanese to still be an issue for the British if they wanted to have Plan Z work

[shrewd pecan]

US and Britain also have the ungodly carrier spam on their side

I apparently have the United States class to play with as well

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_(CVA-58)

so realistically I could probably do away with the iowas and alaskas and be fine with the Essex spam alongside CV-58 and the Midways

tho I still want the iowas to play with regardless

[maiden citrus]

will give you $5 if you have a colorado engage an h39 and win

[shrewd pecan]

even if the Colorado’s using nuclear shells?

[fossil radish]

Finally arrived

[maiden citrus]

that works for me

[shrewd pecan]

bet

(anything pre NC is likely going to the scrap yard)

[maiden citrus]

I mostly just wanted to see colorado fight colorado but diesel and faster™

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think even in this world with the navy eating most defense funding that I’m gonna be able to maintain much of the battleship fleet beyond the Iowas in active and the SDs/NCs in reserve

I don’t even know what I’m gonna do with 22 Essex’s

[maiden citrus]

a big sad, but also understandable

[shrewd pecan]

I’m tempted to just finish the last two Iowas as BBGs then just gradually convert the rest to BBGs

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

If Soviets are defeated. Then Germans have 4 Soyuz, 2 Kron, and 7 Chapayev hulls. With Ognevois etc to consider

But too much effort I say

[shrewd pecan]

I'm probably gonna have to point that out

tho I can't imagine those being of use to Germany

[tough quail]

chapayev and all their DDs are better than anything germany has

or has in the pipeline

and germany doesnt have the money to complete kron or a soyuz

[shrewd pecan]

I don't really see them going for Kron or Soyuz

[frigid karma]

With dud shells

[maiden citrus]

[shrewd pecan]

seems promising

[maiden citrus]

[shrewd pecan]

now to see if they have Hawaii

tho

"A critical problem in converting the lowas to guided-missile capital ships was the removal
of the barbette armor, which would constitute a large part of the conversion expense. Even a
partial retention of the 16-in guns was a complication because gun blast could damage sensitive
electronics mounted within 200 ft of the gun muzzles. This sensitivity was a drawback unless
the firing arcs of the 16-in guns were reduced. There was lingering interest in a BBG conversion
until 1960, when interest waned because the conversion cost was too high and that the hulls
were more than twenty years old.
"

still a valid concern

overall semi torn on the concept for the scenario

Polaris's don't really seem valuable for what I need the Iowa's for

tho the fitting of Talos's and Tartars does seem valuable alongside the ASROCs

Alaska wise it seems like I'd better off just scrapping them and making some type of guided missile cruiser to replace them, if I can get a proper anti ship missile it should be more than capable of dealing with Battlecruisers and whatever super Deustcheland the germans are pulling out of their ass

[tender monolith]

whatever super Deutschland the germans are pulling out of their ass
Ah yes, the brown water navy

[shrewd pecan]

shit water navy

[tender monolith]

that is the joke, yes

thank you joke explainer

[frigid karma]

20 hour workdays

sure buddy

[maiden citrus]

go navy beat air force

[frigid karma]

first of all i'm fairly certain you can go up to the flight deck frequently in a cv

Secondly I'm fairly certain you'd get more fresh air and sunshine on a CV than sitting indoors all day clicking targets w/ a mouse

And i don't even think a lot of sailors move to air force anyways

isn't air force fairly selective?

[tough quail]

chair force pretending they're even remotely relevant

[ruby zinc]

is admiral drednoughts worth getting?

[maiden citrus]

it can be fun

[eternal veldt]

Still very badly optimized if you ask me

Game still lags heavily, parts don't fit etc.

[frigid karma]

but funny big ship

speaking of sandboxes, what happened to uh

sprocket?

havent heard from it in months

[eternal veldt]

They just introduced multiple barrels, still pretty fun and in development

oh wait, these are games, I'm going to get banned

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[frigid karma]

I feel like the soviets would have scrapped them all for parts to build tanks long before the germans got to them

[alpine onyx]

The destroyers would likely still be around since you need those the most

So the Germans would in that scenario probably get them, and hate them

[celest fractal]

When the Aim-9 Sidewinder is actively searching for a heat signature. The Infrared seeker creates a notable “Growling” sound. How does the pilot hear this “Growling” in the cockpit?

[unborn wyvern]

My guess is the sound is carried through the wires into the cockpit well the missile is still attached to the plane

[celest fractal]

[shrewd pecan]

discussions leaning towards the Germans likely refusing them due to Nazi race views despite only having like 4 operational light cruisers and one of them being Emden

idk German shipbuilding during the Soviet war would be weird due to the refocus on Baltic ship escorts

tho I can only imagine the half assed destroyers they’d likely produce

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

The entire discussion over it just seems somewhat stupid since I don’t really see why Germany would pass up like 3-5 free cruiser hulls

Even if they were made by Slavs

[alpine onyx]

Germany has Leipzig, that's far worse than Emden

And they'd likely take the hulls if they have the resources, but knowing how they judged other captured ships they'd modify it heavily before letting it enter service

Just like I'd expect them to basically rebuild the Type 7s

[somber knoll]

tho one thing to note that I gripe with if they do get those cruiser hulls is what the goals the Krauts want with the modification.

after all, their own CL fleet was pretty much shit. even after attempting their own version of the Mogami trick they just said "Nein."

[manic latch]

I mean. They used Soviet captured tanks

[alpine onyx]

Looking at their evaluation of De Grasse (and part of the reason why they dropped her), they'd probably redo the entire auxiliary machinery and power generation

[shrewd pecan]

I really don’t see why they’d wouldn’t use captured Soviet ships, especially ones that are practically brand new

but idk other people for the scenario aren’t agreeing with me for whatever reason

[manic latch]

They likely overestimate sacrifices Germany can make to not use "inferior race weapons"

[alpine onyx]

The Germans had absurd levels of power generation to accomodate their double and triple layer redundant systems. On ships they captured it was found that other navies didn't invest into it as much, and in the cases where sources are available rebuilt it

Hermes had her entire electricity plant exchanged

Ripped out entirely and new one fitted

[somber knoll]

I often thought that as German Diesel no jutsu strikes again

[shrewd pecan]

man they we’re using captured ships from 1898

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Gelderland_(1898)

[alpine onyx]

Ah yes, Niobe

[frigid karma]

That’s stupid, they used captured Soviet equipment like kv-1 a lot

If they got to the Soviet ships they definitely would have pressed them into service

But I doubt the Soviets would let them survive into German service

Unless they get kicked back too fast like in Barbarossa

[manic latch]

Indeed. That's how they reached Sovetskaya Ukraina etc intact

Barbarossa was way too fast

Germans destroyed her hull only when they were retreating as I know. This kinda shows that Germans considered her useful for future potential

[humble mulch]

Gotta keep in mind black seas ships would be treated differently cause turkey

They just kinda left most of those ships from the limited reports I've read in regards to the capturing of them

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it’s post German victory

Odds are some type of agreement would be made with Turkey about the straits

[frigid karma]

i.e. just strongarm them into opening the straits?

[shrewd pecan]

Yes

[spring briar]

Smh

What a waste that would have been

[frigid karma]

The name was randomly generated as one of the UK's Rainbow Codes.

well the meme is real

The project was cancelled in 1956 due in part to cost over-runs, at which point it had a reached a stage called Cockburn Cheese

[manic latch]

Heavy cruiser class

Did Sverdlov scared Royal Navy that much they forget the class difference between Light cruiser and heavy?

[alpine onyx]

do you not want De Grasse with five or six 105mm twins?

[spring briar]

I would want De Grasse in her final config

[alpine onyx]

So eight 105mm twins?

Gotcha

[spring briar]

But that would mean a lot of changes to history

Noooo

Well ig it could be worse

[alpine onyx]

famous last words

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

Think I can add a third shaft?

[spring briar]

Actually nvm

De Grasse’s AA cruiser config was fine

[frigid karma]

those

sexy futuristic 406s dear god

oh baby

[chilly osprey]

De Grasse was fine, Colbert was probably started too late

[shrewd pecan]

wonder how badly 16 incher shockwaves would fuck up a SPY-1

[spring briar]

Relative to?

Jets ruined everything

[chilly osprey]

Relative to the start of the missile age

[spring briar]

No denying that yeah

[chilly osprey]

She was authorized in 1953, was laid down in 1954, launched in 1956, and completed/entered service in 1959.

1955-57 is the start of many of the guided missile cruiser conversions done with Cleveland's, Baltimore's, and Giuseppe Garibaldi. All things considered, it would have been quite opportune for the MN to half construction on the ship after she launched and convert her to a guided missile cruiser, but as things went, she was completed as planned and didn't start a conversion to a guided missile ship until 1970, emerging from that rebuild in 1972.

[spring briar]

Big sad

[dapper parcel]

No way they'll actually put the bridge that high wouldn't they?
I'd think Bazán-style config now that GM isn't that much of a problem

[manic latch]

But if you consider the blast of that 406mm when it's barrels are raised and closer to superstructure

Wouldn't it make sense

[dapper parcel]

That'll just make an even more compelling reason to put the bridge lower so that it's behind the muzzle

[unborn wyvern]

RIP

https://www.reuters.com/world/mikhail-gorbachev-who-ended-cold-war-dies-aged-92-agencies-2022-08-30/

[tough quail]

F

[ivory ridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/Hikalyu/status/1564719171702853632

https://vxtwitter.com/Hikalyu/status/1564719682577465345

[manic latch]

He took my Soyuz

Also dog pfp detected lmao

[ivory ridge]

im getting one too

cope and seethe ||vatnik||

[maiden citrus]

[manic latch]

Of course you do

[ivory ridge]

yeah i have morals

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

unlike someone else in here

[manic latch]

Hey its not studied if horses have morals yet

So don't bully my horse

[ivory ridge]

who the fuck even said anything about him

[manic latch]

You spoke of morals and someone not having it

Horse is a good horse

[ivory ridge]

yeah im talking with that someone

[frigid karma]

Careful you don’t get banned undie

[manic latch]

Nah he is under my protection

[frigid karma]

Certain mod might not like dogs

[manic latch]

Gotta be cat person

[tender monolith]

...I'm sorry did I miss something? what do dogs have to do with anything

[maiden citrus]

the true enlightenment is to eat heated dogs

[spring briar]

Yes

[manic latch]

Maka is based again

Crispy hot dog

[maiden citrus]

[manic latch]

Ah

Uss Bainbridge

[tough quail]

scrolls up

groans

[manic latch]

This should fix you

Panzer 4 of 1971

[tough quail]

the fact there's this much work put in for a panzer IV

horrifies me

at least panthers are braindead

[frigid karma]

i thought that was a hellcat at first

looked like an open top turret

and the hull

[shrewd pecan]

why is it

Israeli

it has Israeli markings

[silver crest]

i heard the news that gorbachev just died

the man who took down the iron curtain

[shrewd pecan]

eh at least the old man can rest in peace no longer having to watch what remains of his work be undone by the mentally insane

[frigid karma]

also

[manic latch]

Didn't they used BF-109 till 1957

[shrewd pecan]

yeah Czech post war models

[manic latch]

[junior trench]

sees cured PzIV

kowabunga it is

[shrewd pecan]

the immense obesity to the already morbidly obese tank

[tough quail]

because israel is known for super deep modernization on incredibly old platforms

if anyone's gonna do it its them tbf

[shrewd pecan]

I suppose

[tough quail]

honestly as cursed as it is

theres something very pleasing to my brain about like

overwriting a stepped front with angled composite layers

[junior trench]

I don't think they did

there's still gaping transmission access ports

[frigid karma]

USS Bainbridge (DDG-96) in the Mediterranean Sea, July 2022 [1920x1084]

wallpaper material

[spiral cedar]

[frigid karma]

BTW, this photo should be from a drone, presumably

does the USN have official drones that follow around a ship doing stuff that includes taking pictures?

because that's where most of these pictures of ships at sea should come from, yes?

[dark spade]

lets see what was the last big task force to go to guadal canal that Enterprise joined up with... Essex and a couple other carriers wasnt it?

hmmm reading the history of Essex it would be TF-16 or TF-14

looking for the task force of like 10 US fleet carriers

[dapper parcel]

Most are good old helicopter tho

[frigid karma]

d'oh

forgot about helis, am tired

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/Watching_Planes/status/1564413733916446720

Zach / ZJH Aviation Media (@Watching_Planes)

KNIGHT51 about to land after several hours in the air.

📸: NAS Point Mugu; August 2022

Likes

172

Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 12:44 AM

[celest fractal]

They retired the EA-6
smacks desk

[maiden citrus]

https://twitter.com/arthurvanb/status/1564580083972640770

Arthur van Beveren (@arthurvanb)

Millions of people enjoyed this video by @BunkersNormandy of a hand grenade thrown in German bunker's air vent and leaving at the bottom. A sneaky and clever design? Let me share some extremely niche knowledge in this🧵.🤓
https://t.co/SQ7NBvNRsC

Likes

1512

Retweets

209

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 11:45 AM

[ruby zinc]

little beaver squad in the battle off empress agusta bay

[ruby zinc]

clevelands wrecked the japanese ships

ah thats why the badge look the same

[spring briar]

me watching a documentary where americans blow up a beaver dam with dynamite

[celest fractal]

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Maka

[maiden citrus]

richo

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

[maiden citrus]

sometimes you just want to

[spring briar]

Boop the snoot

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2022/08/31/fincantieri-begins-construction-of-first-constellation-class-frigate

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Is it me or it looks different

Also rip 76mm bozo. 57mm is new friend now

[spring briar]

yabe

[strong plank]

you raise me uuuuuuuup

[tough quail]

settling for mediocrity again

[spring briar]

name of the game in modern times

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

Honestly

What the fuck are we even looking at here

[dusty kraken]

bulbous

[ivory ridge]

Talking about italian BBs

https://warthunder.com/en/news/7842-development-andrea-doria-the-dreadnought-of-the-mediterranean-en

[spring briar]

that's really nice

glad for you undy

[ivory ridge]

I dont play naval

[spring briar]

then I'm extra glad for you

[manic latch]

M-1

[shrewd pecan]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/7841-development-squadron-vehicles-t-80uk-en

the endless Russian horde expands

yet not a single new abrams in sight

[ivory ridge]

we got one last patch

and it's the best Abrams ingame because of better thermals

[shrewd pecan]

yeah and it’s a squadron vehicle

[shrewd pecan]

I had to pay money for gen 3 thermals

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the T-80UK

• the T-80BVM

• the tree T-80U

• the T-90

• the T-72B3

[ivory ridge]

M1A2 + M1A1 AIM + M1A1 HC + M1IP

[shrewd pecan]

and then you have the T-80BV

the Syrian T-72

[tough quail]

shite

[ivory ridge]

then you're looking at sub 10.0 vehicles

which is ?

[tough quail]

on one hand T-80UK cool and good

on the other

playing WT

[shrewd pecan]

T-80UK should of been a tree vehicle tbh

[shrewd pecan]

tbh I’m just coping since I want my SEP with actual good thermals

tho it does often feel russia just has the endless mass of tanks and other vehicles to pull out

combined with a few bullshit feeling vehicles right back up said mass

[ivory ridge]

Cool, now look at any other tree in the game

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

Russia is getting a lot, yes, and the US less

then every other tree in the game is still a fraction of both

[shrewd pecan]

I mean in general every tree should be getting more

like France could easily rival the big three it just needs it shit actually added

Sweden, Italy and UK can be flushed out with more sub trees

[gilded girder]

France gets stuff

...BP stuff

Every other patch

[ivory ridge]

sub trees

[gilded girder]

I mean good for them. They barely have mid tier planes 😔

[shrewd pecan]

I mean South Africa was a good addition to the UK

[gilded girder]

I hate the G6

[ivory ridge]

sure, and it somehow makes sense

[shrewd pecan]

Sweden could easily get Finland and Norway for more additions

[ivory ridge]

but bullshit like Hungary in Italy and turning sweden into a northern european tree is...

well

not really fair

[shrewd pecan]

I mean it’s more vehicles in the game that can’t really be added otherwise

[manic latch]

I mean.
What about T-80 UM

[shrewd pecan]

Giving Sweden access the patrias and some of the unique Finnish tanks would be nice

[manic latch]

There are shitload of T-80 Gaijin can still spam

[shrewd pecan]

Would round out the tree better especially towards top tier if Sweden had a bunch of wheeled vehicles

Italy honestly I wouldn’t even give them Hungary if anything I’d go with Spain

[ivory ridge]

cant wait for Sweden to get a Finnish Patria with Italian turret just because they are neighbors

makes so much sense right?

[shrewd pecan]

I mean Sweden is a patria operator

[manic latch]

New tracked Boxer

[shrewd pecan]

And Italy already has the Centauro

[manic latch]

And they got another with Spanish

[gilded girder]

Remember how the US has a Zis-2 LVT

For some reason

[shrewd pecan]

regarding Spain to Italy

would give grounds to add shit like the ASCOD variants to the game along with more MBTs like the Lince

Don’t really know how I feel about Italy getting the Spanish 2A6

[ivory ridge]

yes, it doesnt make sense

that's the point

[manic latch]

Give British T-80 since I know they have one

Tho can Soviet Union get F-14 since Iran gave them one as well?

[ivory ridge]

there are spanish vehicles that could be added because they have direct relation to Italy, like the Centauro we are about to get or the Pegaso IFV that was built by Iveco

but then there is

unrelated stuff

There are Ascod variants with Italian turrets, but even then that's partial

[shrewd pecan]

I mean again it’s a nation that really couldn’t be added otherwise but would likely give Italy more shit to work with

[ivory ridge]

and then it's not the Italian tree anymore

[shrewd pecan]

I mean that arguments gonna have to happen regardless at some point

Personally I don’t think we want repeats of the Israel tree

like I get the not wanting unrelated vehicles in your nations tree but like

[manic latch]

Spanish tech tree

[spring briar]

spain???

[shrewd pecan]

There’s a lot of potential content that can’t really be added otherwise without sub trees or repeating the mess that is the Israel tree

[ivory ridge]

I dont want repeats of the Swedish Apache and Havoc either

[manic latch]

Swedish Havoc

[ivory ridge]

like give me a fucking break

Italy is stuck with a 10.0 Heli because they dont want to add Spikes in the game

and sweden get stuff they didnt even touch themselves and were only trialed by Russian and American crews?

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t get the resistance to air launched spike

Literally just make it function like the PARS-3

[ivory ridge]

It's easy

A bunch of countries would get F&F

you know what country doesnt have F&F weapons irl?

[shrewd pecan]

You don’t need the enable the loiter lock after launch function

Russia

[ivory ridge]

Yes

you get why they arent doing this now right

[shrewd pecan]

Get vikhrs spammed to death while watching the 10 hellfires you launched at the KA-50 miss

[manic latch]

Do it do it do it do it

[shrewd pecan]

💀 at least give me the ability to fire the hellfires in direct mode to fasten missile travel time

[shrewd pecan]

The 125 MM Centauro?

Shouldn’t go in the Russian tree

just make it a Italian squadron vehicle tbh

[ivory ridge]

that never happened

It was a 120

[manic latch]

The spokesman for the company was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying that the first two vehicles, armed with 105mm and 125mm guns, have arrived in Novorossiysk and are currently being evaluated by the army.

Wait

[ivory ridge]

and they were wrong

[manic latch]

125..

Huh

Two more Centauros with 120mm and 30mm guns will also join the trials in another six weeks," the spokesman said. "The tanks will take part in laboratory, driving and firing trials."

[shrewd pecan]

eh could of sworn it was a 125

so

Entirely no point in adding it then

[manic latch]

Will we ever get track Boxer

With that juicy new turret

Got that 120mm, autoloader, two ATGMS, and APS

[ivory ridge]

Omani Centauro 120 as Squadron vehicle

[shrewd pecan]

Wouldn’t be a bad idea

[ivory ridge]

or whatever first country buys the Centauro 2

[shrewd pecan]

idk I still think Italy should get some type of sub tree

[manic latch]

Tho yeah don't know why WT is shy about more Abrums

Except that Australian

[shrewd pecan]

The Australian one should of just been added to the tree as a marine corps aim

[manic latch]

Need sep v2 or v1?

[ivory ridge]

the marines had aim? i thought only HC

[shrewd pecan]

They had AIMs

M1A1 AIM/SA

I’m not ngl if they add another A2 I’d just smack in the V3

gives the US gen threes and APS

[manic latch]

When you really love the Mi-26 but know she will never be added for never having weapons

[shrewd pecan]

And it’s armor differences only are in the places where people don’t shoot

[manic latch]

Giving best tank already huh

Until next gen Abrams or v4

[shrewd pecan]

It would literally just be the American T-80BVM but with APS

[ivory ridge]

most nations are at their "best tank" already

[manic latch]

Huh

[shrewd pecan]

Yeah there’s really no reason to add the other SEPs until they need to further flush out the American tree

[ivory ridge]

they added the HC after the M1A2 so it's not like they cant go back

[shrewd pecan]

Yeah

[ivory ridge]

(also both HC and AIM should go to 11.0, they dont belong at 10.7)

[shrewd pecan]

I’d just smack both with M829A2 tbh

[ivory ridge]

no, they are fine like that

[shrewd pecan]

And give the A1 standard M829A1

I mean if there going to 11.0

Might as well

[manic latch]

What Abrams gets the Tusk upgrade

[ivory ridge]

No

they are fine

like that

[shrewd pecan]

I really don’t get

[ivory ridge]

both still have better pen than half of the 11.0s

[shrewd pecan]

Why they didn’t give the standard M1A1 M829A1

And just kept it at 10.7

[shrewd pecan]

I mean literally all of them can

Besides the 105 ones and the M1A1 standard

Honestly I would kinda like it if they got the TUSK kits since that means more armor against auto cannons

Just less overall mobility

[manic latch]

Germany still needs to get A7 and + as module or new tank

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/433028614435504128/976927261678792714/kyarunerd.gif

[manic latch]

Ye

[shrewd pecan]

I mean A7 would be the only leopard with good thermals

[manic latch]

Also. Will APS work against drones now?

[ivory ridge]

Strike drones just fire hellfires

[shrewd pecan]

Since like all of the leopards fire control systems suck up until it

It’s hellfires

[ivory ridge]

APS works against hellfires

so yes

[shrewd pecan]

There just gonna be bait for AA tbh

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

free slow moving kills for the ADATs

[manic latch]

Ain't they harder to see and more silent than jets. So radar reliance more for AA?

[ivory ridge]

idk im just hyped about light tanks having more utility , not a lot of reason to use them considering top tier tanks have the same speed, firepower and have armor

[shrewd pecan]

The ADATs has thermals

[manic latch]

Ohh

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t even use the radar to target non jets anymore

[ivory ridge]

it will be a problem for missile only SPAAs

destroy 2 scout drones
whoops, a Ka-52 spawned

[shrewd pecan]

tbh they really need to buff IR AA

[ivory ridge]

im stuck with the otomatic anyway so

[manic latch]

Suicide drones

[shrewd pecan]

I mean at that point

You might as well make 11.7 a thing

Give every tree a APS tank

And add switch blades and spikes

[ivory ridge]

every tree a APS tank

lol

lmao

that's wishful thinking for sure

[manic latch]

Free Fpe and parts

[shrewd pecan]

Italy and Japan, and France will be shafted

Sweden probably since I don’t think SAABs APS system has ever been mounted on the STRV

Tho there are APS equipped CV-90s

[ivory ridge]

probably mockups

[manic latch]

Tato

Maybe SU-25 with Ka-52 missiles won't be that bad

Since they aren't fire and forget right

Needs you to keep locked

But Su-25 isn't stationary like 50-52

[ivory ridge]

maybe if they nerf the heli ones to their actual range

AND having to choose the correct mode for the target

Vihkrs are 8km from helis and 10km from the planes

in WT they are 10km from the planes for no reason

• irl you have to choose between anti tank and proxy

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Then who use the 12km

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Nerf the heli vikhrs

Have more gravity for the heli vikhrs as well so they can’t just easily smite helicopters anymore

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Like Wiki page says it's 8km for Heli. But it's called 9k121 Vikhr
While Ka-52 use 9k127

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I don’t really think a Vikhrs at the end of its range should have enough force behind it to hit a rapidly maneuvering helicopter but that’s just me

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Need missile expert

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generally Vikhrs just need their performance against other helicopters nerfed

It’s not really like the Ka-50 needs it’s anti heli performance to stay relevant

You can as a Soviet player never have to touch the ground by just repeatedly spawning helicopters with rocket pods then moving onto the Su-22s

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Is 64E strongest Apa

Maybe would be F but that didn't go long

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The AH-64D if it actually got its radar would probably be the strongest heli in game tbh

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it would basically be just

Sit behind a hill or building with just your radar exposed

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And then repeatedly flinging F&F hellfires

Now like to fully take advantage of this there’s only going to be a few maps that let you reliably do that

But if you can get one of those maps your basically gonna be unstoppable outside of plane related interventions

also funnily enough russia could get a similar capability with the Mi-28

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They are currently focused in Ka-52M as I know

But not sure if War thunder will exist by the time it arrives

....

Can Israel get Ka-50-2?

Erdogan

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Mi-28N has a similar radar to the longbow

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Beauty

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I just don’t think it’s missiles are F&F

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Yeah I guess we already have best helis for Soviets

Except the Ka-52M that has years to appear

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The Ka-50-2 is a tandem cockpit variant of the Ka-50. It featured a modern, Israeli-made "glass cockpit" avionics and a turret-mounted folding (for landing clearance) 30 mm cannon instead of the fixed cannon on the Ka-50. It features combat-proven avionics and advanced anti-tank guided missiles for a high level of combat effectiveness. It is equipped with IAI's flexible modular avionics suite, which can be readily tailored to meet the TLF's operational requirements and provides growth potential

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the Ka-50-2 shouldn't be added tbh

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doesn't fit in Israel's nor Russia's tree

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Turkey initially selected an improved version of the Bell AH-1 SuperCobra over the K-50-2 Erdogan, Eurocopter Tiger, AH-64 Apache, Denel Rooivalk, and A129 Mangusta. In the end, the contract was awarded to the A129 in 2007

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I also don't think the KA-50-2 ever had a prototype, just a mock up

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Yeah I guess

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idk

Russia's lack of F&F capability is made up by the sure versality of its helicopters

like their helis have extremely good rocket pods

and the power of the vikhrs especially with its heli v heli capability should make up the difference

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like

Russia is the only tree that a top tier can reliably carry out rocket pod runs

since its rockets just nuke tanks

I have never had luck with hydras

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Maybe they will get buff

Like Hellfire

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I mean they could just give the apache

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System

"December 2019: US Air Force demonstrates air-to-air capability of AGR-20A to cue off Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod and intercept low-flying cruise missiles.[44]"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-6VXGJgZhA

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actually yeah fucking give the US APKWS

it would just be the American VIKHRs

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quite possibly the only HD footage of a battleship moving ever recorded

excluding of course people on shore, also recording

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Hah for Osprey as well?

Damn would love to see the Osprey in game

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MV-22 should never be added

MV-22 also doesn't get APKWs

it would have

door guns

and a single minigun

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Damn did wiki lied to me

Planned rotary wing[31]

MQ-8 Fire Scout

OH-58 Kiowa (company funded)

V-22 Osprey[64]

AH-6 Little Bird[40]

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https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/osprey-fires-guided-rockets-missiles-new-trials

ok scratch that

at the same time

why the hell would you add the Osprey

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Well

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you get

a minigun

and a single rocket pod

good luck

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A-10 whales: So?

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a 7.62

minigun

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Meme plane it is

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man just add the DAP

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God

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so I can mount two 30 MMs and blow up tanks from above

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I fucking love wide helicopters

Ok I would pay for this girl

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2 door guns, 4 pylons

can mount hellfires, hydras and M320 30 MMs

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What if

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No

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Damn she has nothing

Even older Stallions had some machine guns

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What

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the fuck are you going to do with just door guns

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There's MGs on that but fucking y tho

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Any news on the Aim-260 JATM and the AGM-88 AARGM-ER?

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Nah this is Super one

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the CH-53E has door guns

so does the CH-53K

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And G has uhh

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later received the first batch of T64-100 engines to operate in hot and high conditions that prevail in Afghanistan. MG3 and M3M machine guns were also fitted

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yeah

what are you

going to do with that