history

[spring briar]

caesar is good

[shrewd pecan]

Considering it’s performance in the conflict we can’t talk about yes

[spring briar]

soon my american friends
soon

[shrewd pecan]

I mean shoot and scoot and still be done by SPGs, and arguably it’s ideal to have most of the artillery fleet be capable of it

any near peer conflict will likely be against a enemy with a large artillery army with plenty of capability to counter battery

[manic latch]

They did show M777 in Army 2022 Expo. But Caesar wasn't around. So I assume 777 is more impressive. Or they didn't got one yet

[shrewd pecan]

I can’t talk about that here beyond no Caesar has been lost in combat in any theater or war

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

m777 is also a tad older and is a product of the US so no wonder you see it a bit more often?

[manic latch]

And US has more money to mass produce them

[shrewd pecan]

It was one of the destroyed ones that got captured and painted up to look intact

enough about that

[manic latch]

Then they did good work since it looks damn clean

[shrewd pecan]

generally put standard towed guns are far more vulnerable to platforms like Caesar due to taking much longer to become mobile

While centrally a role will remain for towed guns and I don’t think they should obviously be totally phased out

assuming something comes out of the shoot off

it will hopefully be the ideal direction forward for artillery branch

[manic latch]

Caliber will stuck at 155mm?

Or go 203mm sometimes like Russia

[shrewd pecan]

NATO standardization and no point in anything bigger

[manic latch]

Soviets tried 406mm and 420mm but well its not very effective

[shrewd pecan]

ERCA is already gonna have a shell able to reach out to 100 KMs

[dapper parcel]

No way, they'd rather use excalibur than increasing caliber

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[manic latch]

Tfw no 210mm again for US

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

I do love M110 and a modernized M110 would be dope but

no real point

again NATO standardization

Army only has to play with two artillery calibers

that's fully interchangeable with the rest of NATO

[dapper parcel]

I don't think 105 is still in widespread use

[shrewd pecan]

I'd have to double check but I believe infantry brigades use it standard

[spring briar]

155 is a nice caliber

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

every infantry brigade combat team has 2 M119 batteries and a 777 battery

so even if something likely Caesar gets widely adopted and displaces 777 in the mainline army Infantry units would still have heli transportable artillery

hell pretty sure Hawkeye is meant to be heli transportable

[manic latch]

I like Boxer

[shrewd pecan]

forgot the name of that system but if I remember correctly

turrets fully remote operated

has a surprising amount of ammo in it

tho considering PZH-2000s daily limit of 100 rounds a day

I doubt its reliability

[spring briar]

caesar with da screw breech

[manic latch]

Yeah...that one was surprising

[shrewd pecan]

I mean its German its not surprising

[manic latch]

German engineering

[shrewd pecan]

somehow its not barrel ware that gets them

its the autoloader breaking if you go beyond 100 rounds a day continously

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

since apparently the PZH-2000 wasn't ever gonna get into a shooting war?

[manic latch]

Guess they designed her for computer games

[dapper parcel]

Dutch PzH went to Iraq FOB I think

[shrewd pecan]

I wasn't counting war on terror

[dapper parcel]

Tho yeah, not high intensity, and mostly static

[shrewd pecan]

I was referring to high intensity you need to be sustainably flinging shells with the threat of counter battery yeah

[spring briar]

for real

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

barrel ware is something reasonable to expect and shouldn't really happen after a few weeks of firing

tho that 100 round a day limit is just not gonna survive any intense combat situation

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Wonder if Leo 2 has a problem like this

Where it will only appear in a real conflict

[shrewd pecan]

didn't you see what happened to the Turkish leo 2s

[manic latch]

Isn't that like Saudi Abrams. Where problem was more of how they used it

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if the abrams got hit in the same spot the Turkish ones did it wouldn't of been turret popped

[manic latch]

Yeah...

[spring briar]

how about leclerc

[shrewd pecan]

I mean leclerc has a similar issue but its frontal ammo storage is more protected than Leopards

[spring briar]

m1 abrams alien head

[manic latch]

Leclerc ever saw action?

Oh never mind they did

[shrewd pecan]

yes

yemen

[manic latch]

More Abrams died in Yemen than Leclerc

Leclerc is superior

)))

[shrewd pecan]

probably because leclercs were barely used

[ivory ridge]

Lmao do you still believe the bullshit about the "sold" or "captured" Caesars and Himars

[manic latch]

They weren't in the expo

So no

[manic latch]

Why

[shrewd pecan]

the UAE sent like

a single battalion of leclercs

[manic latch]

They prefer using Abrams because?

[shrewd pecan]

Saudi Arabia was the main armored force

[manic latch]

Ah

[fierce sparrow]

Well... looking at ARMY 2022, aside with the trophy room.
Its pretty meh all round.

[manic latch]

I'm just in love with the new submarine

[fierce sparrow]

that supposed new "Stealth" sub was it?

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

also pantsir will always be ass no matter how many missiles they put on the thing

[manic latch]

With new propulsion and a drone submarine hangar

[manic latch]

Yeah that thing needs a rework

[shrewd pecan]

thing getting smacked by basic drones

[manic latch]

Does it need better radar or a jammer

[shrewd pecan]

no most of its issues likely boil down to lack of automation

main flaw with most Russian air defense systems is user fatigue and lack of proper automation

operators tend to slip up when there staring at a radar screen for hours on end

[manic latch]

Damn true

What US use for such systems

Does it scan auto and warn you?

[shrewd pecan]

US for its naval and air defense systems have a high degree of automation in their operation

while I'm not quite sure on the specifics

[ivory ridge]

Smoothtauro

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Perfect for cooking egg

https://news.usni.org/2022/08/15/navy-wants-to-decommission-39-warships-in-2023

39

How many US builds per year

[shrewd pecan]

seems to be mainly

LCSs and older resupply vessels

tho the Ticons seem to be towards the end of their service life sadly

[fierce sparrow]

[ivory ridge]

gaijin pls

[chilly osprey]

Useless to keep ships in service if you can't deploy them

They're also big manpower sinks

There are more important things than just comparing raw VLS counts

Though congress seems to really struggle with that last part

[manic latch]

But future 2045 force calls for a fleet of 373 manned ships

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

LCSs and Ticon likely aren't gonna be apart of that

[ivory ridge]

This thing doesnt make sense

At least the older soviet carrier models tried to copy the west

[rapid junco]

I need to brace myself for armchair generals here wanting those 39 ships

[ivory ridge]

What the fuck is this

[rapid junco]

Although i'm almost sure there will be mostly people refusing that

[chilly osprey]

And what's your point?

373 manned ships should be partially made up of non-operable ships glued to a pier?

The Tico's are going to be long gone by the time we get to the force level desired by that plan

So will much of the Flight I Burke's

[shrewd pecan]

DDG(X) is likely going to have Ticon levels of firepower regardless without the crew requirements

in terms of vessels again the LCSs and Ticons aren't long for this world

[spring briar]

So I’ve reread this in detail now
And basically
Someone shoot me

[shrewd pecan]

LCSs were built for a world that never existed and got wrapped up in bad contracts that made maintaining them stupidly expensive

and Ticons are getting to their sell by date

[strong plank]

Richy why would you remind us that exists

now I want to be shot too

[chilly osprey]

More likely than not a decent number of the LCS's will stick around for the sake of MCM duties and generic patrols against pirates or the like

Not a lot but not a few either

[shrewd pecan]

there building like 50+ Constellations

[spring briar]

At literally any piece of german equipment: “too advanced for its time”

[shrewd pecan]

if a LCS is gonna be as expensive as a Burke to run you might as well task a Constellation to anti pirate duties

[strong plank]

unironically believes H-44

[spring briar]

Me, a Le Fantasque connoisseur: “too advanced for its time”

[chilly osprey]

The plan called for 56 Small Surface Combatants, not Constellations specifically. Though the Connies will certainly be the vast majority of those

At least 40

[shrewd pecan]

aegis OHP

I doubt the navy would be holding onto 16 LCSs

[strong plank]

Wait this is the first time I’ve actually read more

[spring briar]

It’s so bad…

[strong plank]

800mm guns as rainbow gear

[chilly osprey]

Depends on how many Independence's they junk, most likely

[shrewd pecan]

I mean considering the issues with the Independences

[chilly osprey]

Since those are more likely to be kept than the Freedoms (which have had the vast majority of issues)

[spring briar]

Lists the horten as a stealth fighter

[shrewd pecan]

honestly they probably scrapped the wrong class considering the hull structural issues the Independences have

[chilly osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory ridge]

Reminder that the first version of that garbage had 45

[strong plank]

[spring briar]

He also states “Scharnhorst scored a longer hit than warspite”

Source^

Oh god he included the 533

[chilly osprey]

You know, the one thing I appreciate about people like that using KMS as a prefix for German ships

[strong plank]

Source: “I did it in wows once but I lost the replay”

[chilly osprey]

Is that I read it every time as 'Kill MySelf U-XXX'

[humble mulch]

Aye fuck you

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

'The most successful KillMySelf...'

[humble mulch]

Scharns shot on Glorious was pretty fucking far

[chilly osprey]

I mean, it was, but it's considered pretty much the same distance as the hit Warspite achieved

[spring briar]

But by far the best of all

UR Schleswig Holstein

[humble mulch]

Close enough that it's tie

[chilly osprey]

Granted, it was a clean hit, unlike Warspite's, but Scharn also had a much bigger target to shoot at

[humble mulch]

Yeah and

Long range shot is a long range shot

[spring briar]

I reject warspite vs scharn and I accept Massachussets hitting Milan from further

[humble mulch]

I can live with that richy

[chilly osprey]

though Montecuccoli tagging a minesweeper at 21 km with a 6" shell is arguably a much more impressive shot

[spring briar]

The fantasques with hmas australia

Also around that range

[shrewd pecan]

personally regarding the LCS issue they might as well just put on a completion for a corvette that will hopefully solve the LCS design issues while being a more affordable small surface combatant

[spring briar]

UR Schleswig Holstein vs New Jersey

[ivory ridge]

Warspite vs Scharnhorst hits debates

Italian cruisers long range hits on smaller targets

[spring briar]

More like

[chilly osprey]

Honestly it's less that the navy wants new ships for that job and more that they just want to find a use for the hulls they've already bought

But for the yards that were working on them, they either want them building FREMM or working on something else

[spring briar]

shooting at a helpless carrier
shooting at your allies

[ivory ridge]

[ivory ridge]

mochi

[spring briar]

I need to make a list like that but for the MN

And add Fritz X because stolen guidance system

[strong plank]

That’d actually be handy bc I know jack about the MN

[spring briar]

The worst thing is he just adds non navy related stuff to the list

[manic latch]

There are many Carrier designs going around. I personally think Lamantin is best option here. Using Ulyanovsk carrier as basis but modern rework.

[tough quail]

germany must be erased

[spring briar]

Yes

[ivory ridge]

bro

no

dont touch her

Not my death barn

[tough quail]

the fucking audacity to claim other country's ships

god i hate germany

[chilly osprey]

Do you know of any good accounts of that battle? Most accounts I've read have credited the hits on Australia to one of the light crusiers present

But I don't really have anything that focuses specifically on the Dakar operation

[ivory ridge]

good thing manjuu doesnt do captured or prize ships

[spring briar]

A lot of conflicting reports sadly

Oh hell no

[manic latch]

Elbe was also taken by HMS

[spring briar]

if this mf thinks ib is getting de grasse as an ssr cvl

[manic latch]

Imagine they do

[ivory ridge]

delete germany

[spring briar]

Then its war

[manic latch]

Would be equal to Sovetskaya Ukraina ending up in German refit

[strong plank]

Manjuu gonna get KyoAni’d

[maiden citrus]

do you think hamburg ever escorted grille

[spring briar]

Ofc

Why not

Not even elite

Just straight up UR

[ivory ridge]

wait a second

??????????????????????

[manic latch]

Stalingrad

[ivory ridge]

what

[spring briar]

Yeps

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

All bullshit

[tough quail]

why would they be fucking UR when MIKASA is gold

what the

what the actual-

[spring briar]

Ayo come look at this

[tough quail]

god, just one little nuclear cleansing of germany

thats all i ask

[spring briar]

“too advanced”

[tough quail]

just a few nukes please

[spring briar]

What does that even mean

[manic latch]

I just love how this makes it sound like Stalingrad was bigger than Soyuz

[spring briar]

Its just electricity in a sub

Ffs

[maiden citrus]

if that makes you ur can my entire navy be ur

[tough quail]

too advanced in the sense that her worthless designers and constructors could only build gokarts and log cabins

[manic latch]

Too advanced tho smh

[spring briar]

My 1870’s ships have electricity

Ur pls

[shrewd pecan]

by zichfried is probably all I need to see on that entire diagram

[tough quail]

please, god

i want die

[maiden citrus]

wait

[strong plank]

UR retros for the entire Bismarck class

[maiden citrus]

this means the new mexicos are ur

[strong plank]

Fucking hell

[tough quail]

germany and it's consequences have been a disaster for my blood pressure

[maiden citrus]

for sure

they're electric

[shrewd pecan]

🤓 someone unironically calling themselves Zichfried

[cold pumice]

They said the ho 229 is stealth bomber

[strong plank]

Local redditor not understanding the difference between land-based aircraft and carrier aircraft

[maiden citrus]

to be fair if a piece of paper bombed me I would not see it coming

[cold pumice]

More like land-cringe aircraft

[manic latch]

First version of list

[maiden citrus]

by some, we mean anyone that knows about it

[strong plank]

some people

[cold pumice]

[manic latch]

Manjuu adding a ship named Fuhrer

[spring briar]

kills a bunch of unprepared poles
UR

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/bmw-explode-gta-하정중-gif-18778485

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

again

schleswig-holstein as a UR

mikasa as an SSR

[cold pumice]

Did it do anything else

[tough quail]

despite mikasa having more historical relevance than the entire german fucking navy over its history

[manic latch]

She started ww2

[spring briar]

Sailed around northern germany a bit shooting at poles and norwegians

[strong plank]

Wait was Holstein pre-ww1 and the Germans just got to hang onto her

or was she built interwar

[tough quail]

she was a useless pre-dread they were allowed to keep

[ivory ridge]

she is a

pre dread

[spring briar]

She was built in the 1890’s

And she only had 2x2 11”

[cold pumice]

I'm looking at the Wikipedia page how can it be sunk then skuttled

[strong plank]

Yeah I know she’s a predread. But with the restrictions Germany had after ww1 I figured it was a valid question

[spring briar]

When EVEROBODY ELSE was using 2x2 12”

[tough quail]

germany and being chronically over or underarmed

[manic latch]

Ngl I would love to see the 800mm gun so I can mount it on Soyuz

[strong plank]

Like with the other stuff they did to develop weapons and skirt the treaty, building a predread isn’t the weirdest idea

[spring briar]

Because of tooling

[ivory ridge]

Insert italian speedy bois with 2x12"

[spring briar]

UR Regina Elena

[ivory ridge]

so true

faster than dreadnought

op

[spring briar]

UR Diderot

[tough quail]

swolium

[spring briar]

UR Courbet

UR faa di bruno

Oh nvm he took faa di bruno

[ivory ridge]

frankly i still dont know how to feel, with the devs adding Pompeo as gold they are either categorically dumb or they have something else planned

because otherwise it doesnt make sense

[maiden citrus]

ur keasarge, has a magical girl transformation mid fight into a melee unit in vanguard using the new system

[strong plank]

I mean undie

We’re on KMS event #3 here

So they’re probably just categorically dumb

[ivory ridge]

no ok but like

people are saying "Italy cant have URs because they dont have UR worthy ships"

[strong plank]

I get what you’re saying

[ivory ridge]

but we literally did

until the devs

did that

[strong plank]

there’s no reason for them to do that unless they’ve got something up their sleeve

[spring briar]

The funniest thing is that like… while he is coping on that list for ships because ib is already running out of real ships

Meanwhile:

[maiden citrus]

how do you keep ships up your sleeve

[spring briar]

(Same story for italy, rn, japan and us)

[manic latch]

Like Soyuz class is gold because Project 24s are for UR as Manjuu planned

[ivory ridge]

no

shoo

you got cockstad

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

Big sleeves

[manic latch]

Now I need Cockgrad

With long legs

[shrewd pecan]

That sounds like a game steam would recommend me out of the blue

[strong plank]

At least

AT LEAST

this means no KMS event in September

[spring briar]

IB won’t even have the ship with the highest KD ratio

[maiden citrus]

'but we do have a ur left, this ship everyone forgot italy built'

[strong plank]

I hate that I have to count that as a positive now

[manic latch]

Who

[spring briar]

Can we not get ib events for 2 years pls

[strong plank]

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

If both HMS and MN can do it

so can they

[spring briar]

And make the pre dreadnought UR manjuu

[strong plank]

honestly I’m just hoping September isn’t a third IJN UR

[spring briar]

And Lorraine too because she got a refit

[ivory ridge]

lol

lmao even

[spring briar]

Third?

Arent they gonna be on 4

[strong plank]

?

[spring briar]

Shima
Shinano
Yuudachi

[strong plank]

oh I mean just gacha

[ivory ridge]

third gacha

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Ayay

[spring briar]

Warthunder and AL: I’ll pretend I didn’t see that

adds kronshtadt

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

i mean

WT has 3 of the 4x3 dreadnoughts

[spring briar]

Ok WT has them

Shit

[ivory ridge]

so you cant really say that

[spring briar]

How

[manic latch]

2 years later

[spring briar]

Even

France is a joke

I want to die

[ivory ridge]

so true

[chilly osprey]

Huh. Do we know for sure if any of the destroyers fired on the British ships at Dakar?

[spring briar]

I’d have to check

[chilly osprey]

I can only really find information on their smoke-laying activities

[manic latch]

Yeah you guys don't have navy in WT.

Italy still stuck with Dante

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

copium for cavour this patch but even then that would 2 BBs vs an average of 3-4

[spring briar]

Le Hardi laying ALL the smokescreens

[manic latch]

Yeah..

[ivory ridge]

frankly my cope for AL is just

the other 2 CRs as rainbows

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

but no

the next UR DD will be

z-52

[spring briar]

Moog and Volt UR

[ivory ridge]

or the spahkrueser

[maiden citrus]

the ship they're keeping up their sleeve

[spring briar]

Keep believing

[ivory ridge]

if those are UR but the CRs arent im gonna be even more mad ngl

[manic latch]

Yeah Z-52 will be likely UR while Gearing SSR

[spring briar]

Mogadors, CR’s and Tromp

Idk why tromp

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Elite Gearing

[manic latch]

Cmon it's obvious from Allen

[spring briar]

Look at Cooper

[manic latch]

Gearing will be more HP allen

[maiden citrus]

azur lane works in mysterious ways

[spring briar]

Fekin elite

[ivory ridge]

im not against gearing SSR

simply because there are too many

lol

and the US doesnt need even more UR candidates

[spring briar]

The USN could have so many URs its not even funny

[manic latch]

Tashkent would be UR if she had dual purpose

[ivory ridge]

what

[manic latch]

It's Tashkent

Cmon

[spring briar]

K

[manic latch]

It's fast.
It's big
It got 6 130mm
It's cute
It's damn strong

But nooo we got Shima UR cuz fast and torp spam

Yeah Yuudachi become UR

Then like. It's forgotten

[ivory ridge]

yeah no

[maiden citrus]

yuudachi ur being forgotten is nature healing

[cold pumice]

Is that an ifunny watermark

[spring briar]

🇫🇷💀

[manic latch]

Who

[strong plank]

Honestly Gearing as a UR just doesn’t feel right imo

Since there were like

Close to a hundred of em

[maiden citrus]

wyoming and arizona the exact same rating

galaxy brain

[manic latch]

Alaska

God the AA will be godly

[maiden citrus]

I'm mostly surprised they actually gave the ship it's aa it actually had

since wt engine can barely handle it

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Imagine 2 Yamato side by side

[spring briar]

End me

[manic latch]

+200 25mm

[strong plank]

Damn

[maiden citrus]

they strip most of the aa off ships so I was just quietly surprised

[strong plank]

I just remembered I still have an Alaska model I haven’t even started

Gotta finish Seggs first

[spring briar]

Wtf krem

[manic latch]

Wat

[strong plank]

got her hull primered, I just need to buckle down and tape out the dazzle pattern

also yeah what was that

[spring briar]

Why did we get Brest again?

[strong plank]

that from BSN or WSG or something?

[spring briar]

Don’t remember

Hang on

[strong plank]

Bro what

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

nice megaphones

[ivory ridge]

that's a skin

[strong plank]

Apparently WSG has her as a BC

[ivory ridge]

yes

the O class as well

[strong plank]

with the best aa in the game

[ivory ridge]

ah no wait that's not a skin, but she has a kai

[manic latch]

Ah missile cruiser refit

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

open Hawaii's wiki page

[maiden citrus]

that looks nice

[manic latch]

Hawaii was considered under project SCB 26 for a conversion to an aircraft carrier, with an aircraft crane and twin aircraft catapults to be added on the stern of the ship. The conversion, as envisioned, would have looked similar to a completed Graf Zeppelin-class aircraft carrier. The ship would have also been able to launch the JB-2 "Loon" cruise missile from a hydraulic catapult installed on her forward flight deck.

[maiden citrus]

no don't curse it

[ivory ridge]

WSG has JB refit

[spring briar]

End me

[maiden citrus]

what about iowa cwis refit

[strong plank]

The interdictor assault ship?

or something else

[manic latch]

Montana is damn sexy in warship girls

Uses 127mms as drones

[shrewd pecan]

o

warship girls Helena looks rather familiar

[manic latch]

Monty

[ivory ridge]

BSN helena is even closer to our helena

[shrewd pecan]

there is only one guarantee in life

Helena with varying bust sizes

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

the Helena constant

[maiden citrus]

very based montana

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Krem

[manic latch]

Soyuz doesn't even have scrapping picture

[spring briar]

Luckily I have footage

[maiden citrus]

the historian agreeing france should've been a major

[spring briar]

In a blessed world

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

o boy the Turks and Syrians are shooting at each other again

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

POV: you just installed new windows in your Maltese cottage

[low vault]

Garibaldi muse soon?

[desert agate]

what

[low vault]

the image in question

[tough quail]

pretty sure that's just a joke

[cinder escarp]

it's not

[eternal veldt]

Our humour level is reaching new lows

[desert agate]

we will never again regain the height of tojokistan

that was the peak of this server

now and forever

[eternal veldt]

Combine that with the departure of our lolcow

A shame

[shrewd pecan]

why is it

on the wiki page

[desert agate]

rip maine you have not been missed

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)#As_a_guided_missile_cruiser

[desert agate]

rip berci you were never a lolcow

[maiden citrus]

now and forever

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_(rocket)

ok

this is going somewhere interesting

[maiden citrus]

every now and then we have to make tojokistan jokes to keep it alive

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_nuclear_weapons_program

well that's rather unique in terms of potential nuclear powers

they went with cruisers as ballistic missile platforms

[eternal veldt]

Refitted Garibaldi is an aesthetic crime if you ask me

Just slightly below the Galvestons and Albanys

[frigid karma]

Do the new Japanese CLs count as tojokistan jokes

I’d call them IJN CLs if it weren’t for you know….the army guns

[maiden citrus]

it's something that came to tojokistan citizens in a nightmare

[cinder escarp]

Also, the USN put polaris launch pads on so many damn '60s paper designs...

[dapper parcel]

'60s thinking was to simply put nukes into everything

[spring briar]

not our best mount

[dapper parcel]

At least the loaders aren't fighting each other

at least the drum elevator is rotatable

[junior trench]

🇬🇧

[alpine onyx]

dp turret
only 50° elevation
might as well do the janky single 102mm HA gun thing again

[junior trench]

"we finally made a good modern 4.7" gun with fires ammo which can still be readily handled"

[spring briar]

rotating tipping drum > non rotating tipping drum
get fucked brits

[junior trench]

"you put it in a good mount and will proliferate it, right?"

"... right?"

[spring briar]

imagine having to play twister with the shells and charges every time the turret turns

[junior trench]

actually keeps using the old 4.7" LA and a 4.5" DP with the same problems as the 4.7" HA guns and 5.25" DP guns like a total fucking donkey

[alpine onyx]

Mixed heavy AA battery on a destroyer

The thing Drach accused the Germans of, except, now on a ship he'd probably defend with his life

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

tfw a single 3" AA gun without fire control traded for an entire bank of torpedoes represents a drastic improvement in your AA

but don't worry, even if you did have an AA fire control director

it's barrage only

and can't account for vertical speed

or wind

and is non-tachymetric

🇬🇧

[spring briar]

so
literally worse than the just newly installed mount on the rushed Le Hardis

[junior trench]

literally worse than the IJN's AA directors*

*heavy AA only

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

this situation hasn't changed by 1945 either

the GRUB had no correction for wind speed, requiring that the control officer override its output in situations where the wind speed was at any level above a light breeze. The GRUB also assumed straight and level flying, but could be "spoofed" by the control officer inputting false speed and direction information which compensated for small angles of climb and dive. The control officer also had to inform the GRUB operators of any observed alteration of target's course, warning them that the handwheel settings on the GRUB had to be changed. Obviously, the control officer's skill at estimating such factors had a large bearing on well the ship could successfully engage the attacking aircraft. It should be seen that, even with these war-time additions, many of the inputs to the HA table remained still based upon guesswork and estimation and not upon measured - tachymetric - data.

[spring briar]

poggers

[junior trench]

"just fucking eyeball it"

vs

"we have measured the data"

[eternal veldt]

I find it funny how some of the Ls had to use the 102mm over 120mm shortage

And then there's the whole ordeal with Scylla and Charybdis

[junior trench]

"our AA fire control has literally zero provision for anything besides a slow moving straight and level target"

... a predictive or "tachymetric" anti-aircraft control system was ruled out as it was considered to be too costly to implement. This was three years after the United States had sent to sea just such a system, the Mark 19 director, which was the direct ancestor to the very successful Mark 37 Gunfire Control System (GFCS) which was used on almost all US warships destroyer-sized and larger (along with several auxiliary vessels) built in the late 1930s and 1940s.

[eternal veldt]

Also pom poms jamming, feelsbadman

[junior trench]

Almost all destroyers with 4.7-inch guns had the HE time fuzes set by hand. This affected the firing solution not only by the time setting itself, but also in that the fuze setter became the critical time factor. No matter how fast the guns could fire or how quickly ammunition could be supplied to the mountings, even a well-trained fuze setter needed about 4 to 5 seconds to handle the round and set the fuze properly. Faster speeds invariably resulted in improper fuze settings and loss of effectiveness. These factors encouraged the use of barrage firing as it meant that all fuzes were set the same, thus requiring less time by the manual fuze setters. Most larger ships used fuze setting machines, but all of these could only handle one round per barrel at a time, thus slowing the practical rate of fire. An interesting but unfortunate side effect of these fuze setting systems was that the "dead time" between the point that the shell left the fuze setting machine and the point it was fired out the gun needed to be calculated based upon the slowest gun crew on the ship. As the guns were fired by remote control, this effectively meant that all salvos had but a single time setting. Again, this slowed the practical rate of fire.

[alpine onyx]

Can't be true, I'm sure Uncle Drach would've said so in his hourlong international AA guide

[eternal veldt]

Something something, the single bofors was more effective than the octuple pom pom

Urgh

[junior trench]

the British unironically are in the running for worst heavy AA gun direction at war's start and end based on technical features

... radar could more accurately determine range, speed and course of the target aircraft then could the control officer and was thus able to provide more accurate data to the table. However, the HACS Table was still really only able to calculate firing solutions for targets that maintained a steady course, height and speed; in other words, it was most useful for the least successful type of attacks that took place during the Second World War.

[eternal veldt]

Would be funny if Berci is still h-

[junior trench]

remember how much Drach wanked the 5.25" gun's range?

In an attempt to increase the chances of success, an Auto Barrage Unit (ABU) was added to the system starting in early 1942. This device was coupled to the Type 285M radar system and could automatically fire a barrage salvo such that the shell bursts occurred when the target reached a selected range - usually between 1,000 and 5,000 yards (900 to 4,600 m). Fire had to be held until the target was within the 5,000 yard (4,600 m) limit and there was only a single chance to destroy an attacking aircraft before it was able to launch its own weapon.

[spiral cedar]

One shot?

[maiden citrus]

the more one learns of the royal navy the more one is disappointed, I repeat this often

[spiral cedar]

May as well put up a blimp on a wire and shoot when the plane passes it

[junior trench]

also

funny thing

[eternal veldt]

Im more curious what led to this

[junior trench]

an aircraft flying on a circular course around your ship falls outside the parameters of the HACS' ability to compute

[eternal veldt]

Lack of testing, complacency, or?

[junior trench]

some really fucking brainy assumptions

gimme a sec

In 1931 there was a major review of anti-aircraft defense by the Naval Anti-Aircraft Gunnery Committee. This Committee reaffirmed that the primary method of air attack against ships would be by high level bombers and concluded that destroyers 'are not likely to be the object of high level bombing or torpedo attack' and that dive bombing was not likely to be much of a threat. These conclusions were supported by the RAF, whose thinking in 1931 was that dive-bombing was difficult with any but purpose-built aircraft and concluded that this meant that such single-purpose aircraft were unlikely to be used in large numbers.1

This Committee's major conclusion in regards to destroyers was that high level bombers would only be passing the destroyers on their way to strike at capital ships and that they would not be attacking the destroyers directly. An analysis in this report showed that attacking aircraft flying at a height of 5,000 feet and at a distance of 5,000 yards (1,525 m and 4,570 m) would only be 18 degrees above the horizon. For that reason, the Committee concluded that 'future destroyers should not be fitted with a dual purpose armament' and recommended a maximum main gunnery elevation of only 40 degrees.2Furthermore, the committee strongly recommended that long range gunnery should 'take precedence over . . . close range defence' as it was felt that close range defenses were only of use to the individual ship and were thus 'impotent against high [level] bombing aircraft' attacking the fleet as a whole.3 These conclusions led to all British destroyers built in the 1930s being equipped with LA (low angle or single purpose) main guns and in having few close-range automatic weapons for defending themselves against aircraft. Finally, a predictive or "tachymetric" anti-aircraft control system was ruled out as it was considered to be too costly to implement.4 This was three years after the United States had sent to sea just such a system, the Mark 19 director, which was the direct ancestor to the very successful Mark 37 Gunfire Control System (GFCS) which was used on almost all US warships destroyer-sized and larger (along with several auxiliary vessels) built in the late 1930s and 1940s.

"dive bombers aren't a threat"

"destroyers won't be targeted"

"long range defense takes priority, automatics aren't important"

"it's impossible to implement tachymetric fire control affordably"*

*USN and IJN laughing

[eternal veldt]

Oh, and by accident, saw how HMS Glatton was lost the other day

[maiden citrus]

so this is why uk dds aa is so bad

[eternal veldt]

Cordite fire, unsurprisingly, but to make it even worse

Something about proofing, workers used folded newspaper instead of cork, and several rivets are missing

[maiden citrus]

always wondered why they had like two 7.7mms and a single quad pompom or some bs as the entire ship's aa with no dp

[eternal veldt]

Great stuff.

[junior trench]

now, regarding dive bombers in particular

This thinking was not as wrong-headed as it may appear with twenty-twenty hindsight. To put this in the proper perspective of the time; since 1924 the USN had been developing dive bombing as a means of supporting Marine landing operations. This was mainly performed by fighter planes carrying only small bombs, which was correctly seen by the RAF as not being much of a threat to a warship. However, in 1930, the USN tested dive bombers which were capable of carrying a 1,000 lb. (454 kg) bomb, large enough to sink a destroyer and badly damage larger ships. In May of 1931, the USN started purchasing quantities of the Martin BM-series of dive bombers which could carry a 1,000 lb. (454 kg) bomb for about 400 nautical miles. A total of 32 of these planes had been delivered for service use by June 1933. This was enough planes to equip a squadron, Bombing One (VB-1), which was assigned to USS Lexington (CV-2). Not long after this time the German Luftwaffe recognized the potential of dive bombers and started large-scale procurement of these planes. The Japanese followed, beginning development of what would become their highly effective Aichi D3A "Val" dive bomber in 1936. So, although the RAF was partially correct in its 1931 assessment of dive bombers, it badly misread their future employment.

the same year the RN reached their conclusions dive bombing was impractical and no one would procure a lot of them

the USN starting procuring the Martin BM

in squadron quantities

[maiden citrus]

because of course

[junior trench]

the HACS did not employ reliable stabilization, Remote Power Control (RPC) nor automatic data transmission, but instead substituted guesswork and manual overrides in an unsuccessful effort to achieve the same ends.

a very good tl;dr of what's wrong with HACS in a nutshell

In what is perhaps the best-known example of the state of Britain's pre-war anti-aircraft capability, in a 1937 firing exercise, a radio-controlled Queen Bee drone, a converted Tiger Moth, was able to fly straight and level at 85 knots around the entire Mediterranean Fleet for over an hour without being hit by a single shell.

[eternal veldt]

[junior trench]

during the destruction of Force Z, both HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse apparently failed to shoot down a single plane with their HACS-controlled guns. Interestingly, the first attack was by eight high-level bombers, the very threat that HACS had been designed to combat.

true wind speed and direction can be accurately calculated by a simple trigonometric formula using the ship's speed and course along with the apparent wind speed and direction - and instrumentation to perform such calculations automatically was readily available - yet the British designers opted instead to add yet another burden to the HACS control officer's workload, as if he had little else to do but to play guessing games while trying to keep his sights aligned on the approaching attacker.

[maiden citrus]

b-britania rules the waves

(one of the best propoganda projects in history)

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

but if you close your eyes

[alpine onyx]

Can't blame PoW or Repulse, they probably believed that land based planes cannot threaten ships outside port, given their lack of success in a similar attack on a somewhat damaged Scharnhorst a few months earlier

[junior trench]

I don't know if trying to make a judgment about the effectiveness of bombers when multiple of your bombers use bungee cords for their bomb bay control is the best way to go about things

namely

Blenheims

which iirc were the ones doing that attack

[manic latch]

Years of shipbuilding experience and this is the result

[alpine onyx]

Not sure what exactly attacked, but judging by the German report it was a mix of high altitude, dive bombers and torpedo bombers across multiple waves

[junior trench]

Naval tradition can be as much of a shackle as a hindrance if you don't update every part of it as necessary

"what do you mean AP shells need to actually pass through plates now?"

"why did no one tell us?"

[maiden citrus]

yeah, came to say that, practice doesn't make perfect, practicing things that work makes perfect

even long going problems like designing ship ss to make stack smoke hit the towers, or putting powder above the shells, they had a tradition of it, but these are bad, not good

meanwhile the us had neither of these problems even in pre-dreads

[junior trench]

The bombs were released internally, then leaned against the doors, forcing the bungee cords to give way, releasing the bombs. The only thing that alerted the pilot to the bombs actually being away is the lift the aircraft got for being suddenly lighter. How long it took for the doors to actually open depended on the strength of the bungee cords, with pinpoint accuracy not even on the table. The bombs will go out when they go out and that's that.

[maiden citrus]

that sounds

questionable

[junior trench]

That about sums up the Blenheim in WW2

[alpine onyx]

With the level bombers getting forced above cloud level without any line of vision towards the target, I doubt that they had much of a chance of an accurate droo anyway

The Germans reported (but good chance that plane counts are not super accurate, tho general figures should be) one wave of torpedo bombers, one wave of a combination of dive and level bombers, one wave of dive bombers and then one wave of level bombers, totalling 28 planes (identified as Swordfish for the torpedo bombers, and mostly Blenheims for the rest)

[ivory ridge]

be bored at work
delivery
happy

3 pages of captured french ships at toulon

[spring briar]

show pls

[ivory ridge]

Not all from toulon actually but yeah

[spring briar]

after all we did for Italy

[ivory ridge]

[chilly osprey]

'did'

checks lists of imperial wars France fought in Italy

All that effort to keep the Germans out and then the Milanese fuck it all up by inviting the French to invade...

[spring briar]

I'm not talking about those wars

hisss

[chilly osprey]

:p

[spiral cedar]

https://twitter.com/thegeneralboard/status/1559916420657549312
https://twitter.com/thegeneralboard/status/1559916424612691970

This is what happens when you forget the “Nothing” part of “All or Nothing”

Navy General Board (@thegeneralboard)

Let's see if I can get one of those nifty Twitter tags saying the following conversation could be controversial.

My question to the community is:

Were the armor schemes of Germany's World War 2 battleships in accordance with the "All or Nothing" armor principle.

Twitter · Aug 17, 2022, 2:53 PM

Navy General Board (@thegeneralboard)

My thought on the process is that they werenot if we consider "AoN" to consist of maximizing all armor into single plates over the vitals.

However, if we consider "AoN" as maximizing armor over a specific area (vitals), then by all means they certainly were.

#wednesdaythought

Twitter · Aug 17, 2022, 2:53 PM

[manic latch]

Shows Montana
Doesn't show Soyuz

Find these babies in Serbia today

Try to Stealth deez Nighthawk

Try to stealth deez

[frigid karma]

Isn’t maximizing armor over a specific area a general design philosophy of any warship

Like

AoN is kind of famous for it but in general you still want more armor over the boilers than the superstructure

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-damage-gif-25961554

[alpine onyx]

Scharnhorst was closer to AoN than Bismarck

[manic latch]

What is Soyuz's armor is called I wonder

More armor under magazines than belt

Is it aon as well

[ivory ridge]

clusterfuck

that's what it's called

[alpine onyx]

I think Soyuz had some weird bow and upper belt armor

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/JanesINTEL/status/1559963270987005958

Janes (@JanesINTEL)

First Italian PPA departs on maiden deployment https://t.co/ZRpbq41X3v #navy #Italiannavy

Twitter · Aug 17, 2022, 6:00 PM

[exotic scarab]

[tough quail]

the smartest of lads

[manic latch]

Nicho

[chilly osprey]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1559977333427150848?t=RkVudASu7vdUM1cvZ_OTTg&s=19

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

@IainS9 @anochtluke @JanesINTEL no bitches?

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 17, 2022, 6:55 PM

[ivory ridge]

yes that's the WT server owner

he went there because i shared the post

[tepid mulch]

Any of you up for another cursed picture?

The Spruance Harrier Carrier

[spring briar]

Dupuy de Lome my beloved

[tepid mulch]

https://bookpalace.com/acatalog/HardyHoverCarrierLL-G.jpg

Aircraft Carrier of the Future by Wilf Hardy

[junior trench]

"we'll go into the future with a design from the past"

Making it a hovercraft is a nice touch at least

[tepid mulch]

Yeet the Harrier

[strong plank]

its the only way they'll learn to fly on their own

[tepid mulch]

Cursed universe where Germany goes pocket everything, huehuehue

Oh yeah that paper's British

[frigid karma]

just curve the runway a bit inwards so centrifugal force keeps the plane on the ground

as for weight imbalance, just add 900mm of armor on the starboard side

[tepid mulch]

Now extra evil

and another evil extra

Apparently nuclear powered and can go up to 100 knots

[exotic scarab]

now make it a submarine'

[strong plank]

SALVATION

[manic latch]

What's your opinion on the Ultra Carrier

[shrewd pecan]

missile battleship with like

32 VLS cells

[tepid mulch]

Not enough

Make everything VLS

[shrewd pecan]

better off just deleting the rear turret and putting VLS there

[tepid mulch]

and add missile silos for Tridents

[unborn wyvern]

Reminds me of this i found somewhere

[shrewd pecan]

1990s kongo rebuild

[manic latch]

Kirov reporting

[ivory ridge]

[dapper parcel]

Something something egg in a basket

[night heart]

Hey guys

Will wearing a third rich t shirt get me under fire from countries around the world ?

Like if I ever get a job in Google and they got to know about me wearing a third rich t shirt , will they kick me out?

[alpine onyx]

Depends on the shirt in question, but chances are good, yes

[night heart]

It has the swastika

the one on which the eagle stands

[alpine onyx]

If it's the motive is the Reichsadler on the Swastika, then yeah, expect the obvious consequences

[night heart]

Hiw about a t shirt with the sign of 7th panzer division?

[alpine onyx]

The inverse Y with three dots?

[night heart]

Yeah

[alpine onyx]

At first glance probably no issue, since it's not as obvious

But gotta ask, why?

[night heart]

O was just looking for t shirts and then my inner whearaboo awakened

I will just go look for iron blood t shirt instead

This stuff looks dangerous

[alpine onyx]

As much as I like the tech, I wouldn't even think about wearing something that'd associate me with the Third Reich

[night heart]

you are right

[alpine onyx]

also 3R is not something anyone should strive to associate themselves with, but crap, politics

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371433115970961411/1007310715306131496/image0.jpg

Back to precious bote

[spring briar]

why would you wear that

[night heart]

hehe , was just wondering ,

[spring briar]

please make sure to focus on yourself and check how you are doing

if you need someone to talk to I am willing to do that

[night heart]

thanks , i will remember

i think i just thought about that t shirt without fully realizing the gravity of situation i would cause by that ,

[tepid mulch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt

Pretty big beer cans for an unmanned base

[rapid junco]

[manic latch]

Iron Blood and its consequences on its fanbase

[frigid karma]

“Guys wehraboos aren’t future neo nazis, they just like German stuff”

said wehraboos:

Like who the fuck even thinks about wearing swastika t shirts besides being a genuine neo nazi

[unborn wyvern]

"No see, it's simply a reference to the hit chinese mobile game-"

"Sorry was I mistaken when I said you're fired and to get off the property before I call the police?"

[shrewd pecan]

man it’s some edgy kid with a hard on for Bismarck and sabaton who cares

[strong plank]

“he just like me fr fr”

[spring briar]

guys I just like IB for the girls

I swear

[shrewd pecan]

man hopped in here with some bait question and proclaiming himself a wheraboo at the same time

[strong plank]

Oh fuck, the Vichy got Richy

[unborn wyvern]

"I swear i be not a scallywag i just be talking like one for the memes arr. i just be liking jean bart there be nothin' wrong with that yarr"

[frigid karma]

There be nothing wrong with liking Jean Bart lad

[silver crest]

the fact that not a single french king was named louis during the hundred years war amazes me

[tough quail]

i see

[zealous vine]

What could smaller-intermediate caliber shells do (say 100mm-200mm) to hinder a battleship's effectiveness?
Could the only meaningful damage they do be hopefully hitting a superstructure's vital part like bridge, gun dirctor, aviation facility, etc.?

[chilly osprey]

Depends on the era, really

If you go back to the pre-dreadnought era (especially the early pre-dreadnought era), these kinds of guns are often the ones meant to be QF guns that will smother the enemy under fire, destroying their upperworks and putting them out of action

203mm is more in the intermediate range, but at the ranges they were fighting in that era, capped 203mm shells could be effective against even battleship armor, depending on how thick it was and the quality of the plate.

Generally speaking, once you get into the dreadnought era, battleships are large enough to carry heavy enough armor to where they're mostly going to render such guns ineffective, especially as battle ranges got much long (as in, not 5,000 meters or less).

[haughty osprey]

I check this channel for the first time in a while and the first thing I saw was somebody asking if they could wear a Nazi t-shirt

Inshallah the Wehraboo must be purged from the Earth

[undone remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992767860030062623/1009834634768560274/unknown.png

[chilly osprey]

Now, that's not to say that you can't use such calibers as harrassing fire, but it's extremely difficult to do so on a practical basis, because what you're doing is harassing fire, and for the most part the battleship is going to be able to respond with potentially lethal fire, and starting at greater ranges

[undone remnant]

also does any of you have an image of a KGV 4-gun turret with all 4 guns elevated into different degrees

wanna make sure this image exist and i didn't see it in a dream or something

[chilly osprey]

In the 20s-40s, you do get a point where you have modern 203mm treaty cruisers existing alongside WWI-era dreadnoughts that in many cases have less range than the 203mm guns, which made it possible for cruisers to try for harassing fire at extreme ranges - and 203mm fire could definitely ruin anything that wasn't armored

But, opportunities to do this were rare and typically relied on the battleship being busy shooting at something else.

Ex, see Italian heavy cruisers harassing Warspite at Calabria, or British heavy cruisers joining in on killing Bismarck

[undone remnant]

cruisers againts older battleships

i was gonna mention hiei but that was at katana range

[chilly osprey]

Yeah that's definitely a unique circumstance

And also because Hiei was a battlecruiser, so her armor was light enough that at very close ranges modern 203mm APC could still punch through it

[haughty osprey]

I need to read up on Kongo armor

Wait shit they all got the same level of armor refits, right?

[chilly osprey]

Their deck armor was improved, and, iirc, main battery turret armor too

But that was pretty much it

[haughty osprey]

Well I'm sure 8" shells could fuck the superstructure of most vessels. I gotta read up more on ammo, focused too much on planes...

[chilly osprey]

Depends on the range and the kind of battleship.

Many carried fairly heavy armor around their conning towers, to prevent command spaces being taken out too easily. That said, many older battleships had this armor either heavily lightened or entirely removed during refits, to help save on topweight.

[undone remnant]

and also back to what i was asking for

[dapper parcel]

For very early predreadnought era the "medium" caliber guns should really considered as the main armament while the large caliber one were the secondary armament.

[undone remnant]

and image similiar to this, but with a KGV class

[spiral cedar]

Close enough?

[undone remnant]

aft turret

something like that

[willow geyser]

juicy

[frigid karma]

I've a question on conning towers

While the towers themselves are armored, what happens if the exits from the tower get fucked, or worse, the damage to the superstructure is so severe that the tower is in risk of falling

wouldn't it make more sense to armor a pathway up to the tower? it wouldn't add too much weight, right

[remote monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480619281625907211/1010009747480649868/unknown-96.png

looks fairly plausible to handle dromaeosaurid like this

now I want one as a pet

[dapper parcel]

The communication tube/gangway leading up to the conning tower is usually hella armored too

[frigid karma]

it is?

i was not aware of that actually, i always assumed (based in wows) the tower was the only thing actually armored

good to know the tube is armored as well, is it to the same extent?

[chilly osprey]

Often, since it's such a massively larger target area, it's not as heavily armored

[dapper parcel]

I mean...

[chilly osprey]

But, it is pretty much always heavily protected

Ex, as seen on the Zara-class cruisers (which actually also includes an armored director)

[frigid karma]

it's all 17.3in?

[dapper parcel]

16in communication tube, it's one of the thickest protection in the whole ship short of the turret face

[chilly osprey]

As another example, on Littorio;

Richelieu;

[dapper parcel]

and here something way off form the left field

[frigid karma]

what about fusou

[frigid karma]

rip, no full armored pagoda

[eternal veldt]

Seeing that Littorio diagram and thinking about it, the damage is truly catastrophic to have the entire tower lean forward after the forward mags exploded on Roma.

[dapper parcel]

It doesn't take much to buckle a tube especially if the joint isn't designed to take lateral load

[eternal veldt]

There was extreme stress on the bulkheads overall from that, but I see.

[manic latch]

Don't Forget Project 24

[subtle prawn]

An unusual overhead view taken from a crane during the fitting out of Volta at Ateliers & Chantiers de Bretagne in 1937. Note the cylindrical bases for the four torpedo tube mountings amidships. (US Navy NH 86547/NH 86561, courtesy of A D Baker III)

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-19/europe-drought-danube-river-shipwrecks/101353184

[manic latch]

get back here

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1010246926341517382/unknown.png

apparently the AH-249 first flight

[manic latch]

The maiden flight of the AW249 was originally scheduled to take place during 2020, but no news has been released on any flights to date.

Goddamn she is late

The first flight of the AW249 is scheduled for September 2022 or sooner

Didn't knew she doesn't use Italian engines.

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/JYHIlflLRBw

[manic latch]

Cool thumbnail tho ngl

[spiral cedar]

https://twitter.com/CobraArray/status/1560294525909680128

ᴅᴇᴡ (@CobraArray)

Early prototype for the French FELIN program looked so sci-fi as fuck

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Twitter · Aug 18, 2022, 3:56 PM

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@spring briar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-Pareil-class_ship_of_the_line

Only Royal Louis was actually built; due to the huge costs of construction, the three others were replaced with smaller-sized ships of the line.

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https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d4/Veers_unimpressed.png/revision/latest?cb=20140603115654

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One day Santisima Trinidad will get attention much as Yamato

140 guns of a sail ship> 460mm number

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Handed in my thesis

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Hope it goes over well

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inb4 returned just for slight editorial stuff

I've past my thesis juggling days, but publishing papers are sometimes no less ridiculous

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Feels like the better your papers are, the more ridiculous the excuses are

Of course I have the option shut the editor with $$$, but not like publishing fee for reputable journal isn't expensive enough already

Seriously, the system is broken. You pay to publish, you pay to read, heck, you pay to retract

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I’m just glad I did it

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I've always been surprised with the type of people this channel attracts

you never really expect the quality of people here with the sources and other materials they have access to

especially for the history channel of a big tiddy shipgirl gacha game

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False bow wake

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Congrats on getting it done! Hope all goes well

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213011911002816513/1010372711631032440/unknown.png

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https://tenor.com/brO0E.gif

warspite time

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overlord moment

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Where is that from

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i dunno sadly

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Wdym, Warspite was switched with Malaya to cover up

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Ah yes

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Fine and dandy until your crew is poorly trained enough and tried to surrender at Cape St.Vincent.

Only to have friendly ships threaten to shoot the shit out of you if you don't raise your colours back up.

Also, skill issue, now face 170 guns

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Ahh what was her name

Duke of uhhh

Duke of Kent yes

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You would expect her to have the most loyal crew

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Getting pounded by several ships in a row and getting your entire crew killed by raking fire will do that

RN specializes "aiming" into the hull to inflict as much crew damage as possible

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Yes, at least, at Camperdown.

If only a certain triangle wasnt banned, a shame.

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is soviet have connection with italia in ww2? because in AL we can grind chkalov exp with italian ships

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Italy provided extensive foreign assistance towards Soviet naval construction

Tashkent herself was built by OTO in Italy, the Kirovs were a (initially fucked up) product based on Raimondo Montecuccolis, and while the Soyuzs were not built based on the Italian Exported UP.41 design, the design had some influence towards the overall design.

Chkalov is the odd one here, since the design is more US/British influenced more than Italian

Figures, I mention Soyuz and Kremlin shows up

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Yeah Chkalov is more inspired Ark Royal ish for being Project 71. But B version

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I'm a "wife guy" as people say

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Pavlov's dog Soyuz Simp

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And Gnevny class heavily reminds Folgore class

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The Gnevnys and following subclasses were based on the folgore
The Kirovs on the Montecuccoli/D'Aosta
The Soyuzs and Kronstadts loosely on italian designs
Tashkent is tashent and the Kievs were based on her

if we go further back in time we have Cuniberti apparently working with the russians to design the Ganguts

while the leningrads were based on the french fat destroyers contretorpilleurs

https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1560950875715260416

Ciro Nappi (@CiroNappi6)

Exclusive photos each other facing of Italian Navy with Russian Navy in Ionian nd Adriatic Sea. ITA Navy as reported marked RU units with Marceglia F597 FREMM-ITA frigate nd Longobardo S524 Sauro class mk4. RU assets reported: Adm Grigorovic, Adm Tribuc, Varyag.
Via:@repubblica

Twitter · Aug 20, 2022, 11:24 AM

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aside from An Shan and Chang Chung, what are nations that developed Missile destroyers?

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Pretty much everyone

They're called DDGs

And every navy worth it's salt has been operating them for decades now

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I kinda want more DDG in AL, if only.

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Kind of hard to count 'Soviet DDs we bolted silkworms on in the 70s' as 'developing DDGs', particularly since the 'G' indicator isn't so much used for SSMs but rather to indicate a serious SAM armament

Arguably the first true DDGs for the PLAN were the Type 051B's in the 1990s

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If you're asking DDGs in general, everyone
If you're asking about ww2 Destroyers being converted into DDGs, then only them

Mostly because everyone else had the means to actually build new platforms

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DDG-1 Uss Gyatt

Gearing class

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touched a T-34-85 today

the welds were as pepega as I expected

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Most of the first generation of DDGs were built in the late 50s-early 60s.

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How many murms are there

Not counting dupes

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my server has 96

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@tough quail tfw China put big ass turboprop on IL-10

Pls Gaijin

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thats fucking rad

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no, you don't need rad with a turboprop

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Thought those lights were some funky camo pattern for a hot second there

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There's Taiwanese Sumners and Gearings that got SAMs and AShMs

Like

One of them in game rn

Can't recall exactly which one

But I was momentarily salty that she didn't get a DDG retro at the same time the An Shans did

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Bristol?

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Anyone knows if we have gotten any retrofit for ships that actually never gotten one historically ? (sunk early in the service, for example.)

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a bunch

laffey for one

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I think so

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Dante

where is Vergil

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https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgilio_(nave_ospedale)

No english page

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yooooo

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-smile-vergil-smile-devil-may-cry-dmc-gif-22517514