Just add more loader
#history
junior trench
12 rds/min 120x1200mm
It's cus tracks aren't the driving surface
The road wheels are
With all the implications about traction that brings
exotic scarab
All I want for sprocket is working machine guns
And maybe way later down the line specialized items like flamethrowers
shrewd pecan
12 rds/min 120x1200mm
the finest file fuckery
fierce sparrow
manic latch
H-39(Hutten/FDG) 406mm P.Spr.Gr. L/4.4 :
Velocity: 810m/s
Weight: 1030kg
Lion's 406mm
406mm AP MkIII
Velocity 747m/s
Weight 1080kg
Nagato's 410mm
410mm AP/APC Type 91
Velocity: 806m/s
Weight: 1.020kg
Iowa's 406mm
406mm AP mk8
Velocity: 762m/s
Weight: 1225kg
Soyuz's 406mm
AP model 1937
Velocity: 830m/s
Weight: 1.108kg
manic latch
H-39(Hutten/FDG) 406mm P.Spr.Gr. L/4.4 :
Velocity: 810m/s
Weight: 1030kg
Lio...
Now I'm wondering
Why British kept the Lion guns on that kind of performance
Why not go heavier shell like US or higher velocity for more pen
tender monolith
ivory ridge
cant wait for the "totally not a copy" version of these helicopters in a couple years
manic latch
https://twitter.com/LDO_Helicopters/status/1551549992338333696?s=20&t=lCvUA_WT69...
Wise decision 
One wonder they only wanted one each 
ivory ridge
oh wow the 139 is used by a lot of countries
manic latch
Makes sense I guess
dapper parcel
Interesting that those gun got that performance number with quite large chamber volume and pressure
Ik cordite was quite hot load, but I don't think it was that hot. It should be about comparable to other nations by that time
cinder escarp
https://twitter.com/LDO_Helicopters/status/1551549992338333696?s=20&t=lCvUA_WT69...
It would likely be for comparative trials, they have no need to copy the 139 or 109. The Chinese were co-designers of, and already manufacture, the Airbus Helicopters H175 (as Z-15 in military service, and AC352 for civilian service).
They also have the AC313A (Z-18/Z-8L in military service) as the bigger brother, which can trace its origins back to the old Super Frelon.
somber knoll
Interesting that those gun got that performance number with quite large chamber ...
I figure with the British having enough experience with cordite that they can reliably reach that performance numbers.
There's also the notion of using what older British BBs used as super charge as the main propellant but I'm not sure if they can make Lion's proposed barrels last enough with that kind of load.
maiden citrus
slower and lighter than us shells simultaneously, a winning combination
16'' uk shells are cursed
frigid karma
uk shells are cursed
maiden citrus
eh, fair
frigid karma
le cannonball at jutland meme
and somehow, warspite turns her own fuckup into a glorious action
tough quail
the power of being the best
maiden citrus
can't destroy the gun barrels if they are hidden from view because I'm doing donuts while reloading
junior trench
slower and lighter than us shells simultaneously, a winning combination
this is your artillery on cordite
shrewd pecan
Florida-Brasil Federation
dapper parcel
I figure with the British having enough experience with cordite that they can re...
Eh, I guess I wasn't clear enough. Should be "Why the performance numbers was so low despite the huge chamber volume and high pressure?"
Burn characteristic isn't exactly the easiest metrics to search and compare ig
shrewd pecan
eh never realized I can carry both Mavericks and Walleyes on the F-4E
frigid karma
Additional delays resulted from incompetent and obstructive Russian inspectors, who refused to use Winchester-made test gauges despite no Russian gauges existing, insisted that test ammunition be shipped from Russia (instead of using readily available Winchester ammunition made on Russian contract), and often rejected rifles for irrelevant flaws such as wood grain in the stock being insufficiently straight.
rapid junco
Florida-Brasil Federation
zealous vine
What were the main issues of carrier operation during ww1-ww2?
rapid junco
I don't about anything on WW1 carrier operation
That's because as far as i know, there was little to none carrier operations in that time 
I do remember of a planned operation by the RN to raid the HSF with carriers carrying a new torpedo bomber
The Sopwith Cuckoo
junior trench
there was some flying off platform fuckery to bomb some zeppelin hangars iirc
rapid junco
It was ultimately cancelled, btw
somber knoll
speaking of Zeppelins, if you think Zeppelin carriers in WW1 as a carrier op, I guess you can count Strasser's suicidal zeppelin bombing mission as one.
zealous vine
I do remember of a planned operation by the RN to raid the HSF with carriers car...
Ah well, in case there was any significance of carrier use during those times that I may not know of, I thought that I might as well consider ww1
somber knoll
Ah well, in case there was any significance of carrier use during those times t...
Langley and Hermes (and Argus, or what the name of the other RN experimental seaplane tender was) were built and experimented during and post-WW1 so I don't think carrier doctrine was fully established at that time.
as for ww2, then it's a lot.
strong plank
uhhh for main issues
not leaving a ton of bombs and fuel lines laying around in the hangar
zealous vine
Langley and Hermes (and Argus, or what the name of the other RN experimental sea...
I see, aight
zealous vine
uhhh for main issues
What were those other than preventative measures? How was cooperation between the pilots and the carrier crew, and cooperation between each plane division?
strong plank
they're not preventative
leaving scattered munitions and fuel hoses when refueling and rearming planes fucked the IJN at Midway
humble mulch
Carriers in general were quite weird going into ww2 as well, as the nation's who had them all more or less used them in very different manners just due to the war they were facing and how they were jammed into naval doctrines and made their own
You have the British who more or less had CVS operating alone with a very small escort until that went down hill
Japan used wave tactics, and the US had some very fucking weird interwar naval exercises and also grouped up CVS, which the RN would also do
Each nation also did weird shit with pilots and carrier standardization
In ww2 the US would use warehouses and stuff to train deck crews on launching getting planes, where as the IJN has a totally different plan of operation on each CV and pilots would have to train if they got put to a new ship
eternal veldt
I'm not sure if this is within the scope of your question, but In terms of carrier designs that affrct flight ops, we also have some weirdos going on the Japanese side.
Hosho, for example, had a deck island as built. That was seen as obstructive to flight ops, so Japan was fixated on small islands or even flush deck carriers for a while. There is also the well-known triple flight deck configurations on Akagi and Kaga, which are basically "fuck you" contests between two designers and end up being absolute failures.
There is also Ryujo, basically a design that tries to "cheat" over the WNT and wasn't very successful overall.
humble mulch
Carriers were very much in there infancy going into ww2 lol
eternal veldt
Ranger wasnt also very good either IIRC.
humble mulch
Yeah was gonna bring her and wasp up but that's not their fault iirc
maiden citrus
ranger is astoundingly mediocre
humble mulch
Trying to get the biggest bang out of their tonnage and shit
maiden citrus
which means for the time, honestly she's fine
eternal veldt
Wasp had tonnage limits, but brought a major innovation at least
Deck edge elevator
maiden citrus
float like a wasp
eternal veldt
And then we reach 1930s Germany... wheeze
humble mulch
German naval design moment
Had a few great ones
But goddamn some of that stuff is bad
eternal veldt
Doitzs and Elbings were gud
maiden citrus
are you telling me a kraut made this sour
hushed saffron
b o t e
strong plank
In ww2 the US would use warehouses and stuff to train deck crews on launching ge...
wasn't it more like
the US trained aviators by aircraft, while the IJN trained aviators by squadron
so its aviators were more skilled and worked together better
but it took longer to train new pilots
maiden citrus
ijn ships also varied a lot so you had to train for each ship
eternal veldt
maiden citrus
the newest gunner
desert agate
what the fuck lmfao
maiden citrus
most likely being loaded into pensacola's turret to test the protection the turret armor would have during crossroads
south forge
What were the specific uses of the No. 69, No. 36 Mk1 and Type 97 hand grenades? For example what I mean is the Stielhandgranate 24 and Einhandgranate 39 were optimized to provide a blast effect and only to a lesser degree fragmentation damage. A source from 1940 stated, “The hand grenade is used in close combat at distances up to about 40 m, against opponents in or behind cover or when the rifle cannot be used for other reasons…Strong moral effect…Several hand grenades as a concentrated or stretched charge: strong blasting effect (wooden pillars, railroad tracks, etc.)” (Kühlwein, Fitz: Die Gruppe im Gefecht. (Die Neue Gruppe). Elfte, völlig neubearbeitete Auflage, E.S. Mittler & Sohn: Berlin, Germany, 1940, S.61)
Or would the better question be how were they used?
ivory ridge
For some reason this pic gives me "so you're telling me a shrimp fried this rice" vibe
shrewd pecan
1st Eurcopter tiger
2nd Z-10
3rd AH-64D
pretty sure the Eurocopter tiger one is the older display
desert agate
tiger lol
shrewd pecan
looks funky compared to the rest of them
humble mulch
the US trained aviators by aircraft, while the IJN trained aviators by squadron
US did that too, but end of the war they were training navy crew in ware houses and stuff on how to do carrier things so they wouldn’t be like the ijn when they got put on the cvs. I recall reading this very specific thing in the book about Midway as some of her crew was trained in this manner before being sent to her and stuff
junior trench
You have the British who more or less had CVS operating alone with a very small ...
the RN were kind of stumbling around
the IJN was grouped up even when detrimental
the USN had managed to realize that until you have a critical mass, dispersing your CVs means you're more likely to dodge losing them in multiple
desert agate
cinder escarp
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/that-time-a-usaaf-piper-l-4h-grasshopper-crew-sh...
FHCAM does reenactments of this battle at skyfair
They have both a L-4 and a Storch to do it with
tribal mortar
Didn't Prinz Eugen nearly split Leipzig in half by accident ?
somber knoll
Didn't Prinz Eugen nearly split Leipzig in half by accident ?
yeh, mostly because of visibility reasons because of heavy fog by the time the two were in contact with each other.
manic latch
@hallow vine ok so
hallow vine
Yep
humble mulch
yeh, mostly because of visibility reasons because of heavy fog by the time the t...
Wasn't that also cause Leipzig drifted in front of prinz while changing her drive shaft to diesel or something
manic latch
Odin has
35k tons weight
9 305mm guns
320mm belt armor with 105mm turtleback
Kronshtadt has
9 305mm
230mm belt
41k tons weight
manic latch
Odin has
35k tons weight
9 305mm guns
320mm belt armor with 105mm turtleback
...
But Odin is a battlecruiser in AL
While Kronshtadt is a large cruiser
So in the end. It's all about armor I assume
strong plank
with odin it's also about whatever weegee calls her
manic latch
Early design of Scharn or smh
But yeah she is in BB slot
While Kron,Agir, Alaska is cruiser slot
ivory ridge
So in the end. It's all about armor I assume
It's all about what the wows devs said
Lol
manic latch
humble mulch
Doesn't krons Wikipedia and shit not call her a CB
humble mulch
Yeah
manic latch
Doesn't krons Wikipedia and shit not call her a CB
CB is large cruiser for America no? 
hallow vine
It says she's a battle cruiser on Wikipedia
ivory ridge
Because reminder, she is literally heavier than the american and French treaty BBs
humble mulch
CB is wanna be BC but legally cannot be one and other bullshit
ivory ridge
spring briar
manic latch
It says she's a battle cruiser on Wikipedia
Yeah it's Kirov class moment
spring briar
BC is fantasy beyond 1920
humble mulch
In this case, soviets had a metric fuck ton of bb/bc plans
manic latch
"Battlecruiser"
humble mulch
So AL made her not that
ivory ridge
Meh
strong plank
I mean Alaska’s basically just a Super Baltimore
spring briar
humble mulch
Yeah or a small Iowa
spring briar
No
ivory ridge
humble mulch
Both view points work
spring briar
No
humble mulch
Cute
ivory ridge
Bote
spring briar
Alaska is Alaska
ivory ridge
Pocket carrier
humble mulch
Harriers too
manic latch
In this case, soviets had a metric fuck ton of bb/bc plans
Ok simple Soviet thing for you
Izmail class? Bad armor for speed and good firepower.= Battlecruiser for Soviets
Kronshtadt class? Similar armor with Alaska, similar firepower, almost same speed=Heavy cruiser
humble mulch
strong plank
Alaska is Alaska
humble mulch
Ok simple Soviet thing for you
Izmail class? Bad armor for speed and good firep...
This falls flat on its ass the moment you have eyes and look at kronstadt
manic latch
This falls flat on its ass the moment you have eyes and look at kronstadt
Kronshtadt is literally same with Alaska except 9k tonnage difference 
humble mulch
Fucking more tonnage then normal BBs from less then 10 years ago?
ivory ridge
spring briar
I’ve had it with people calling her small Iowa or big Baltimore just because USN aesthetics remains similar throughout classes
humble mulch
Lmao
That's understandable
But what else are we gonna compare her to that people will understand
manic latch
Fucking more tonnage then normal BBs from less then 10 years ago?
Alaska is heavier than Colorado isn't she?
humble mulch
Probably
strong plank
Super Baltimore is a gross oversimplification, but her design is derived more from the Baltimores (with a little bit of Portland sprinkled in) than it is from the Iowas or other USN fast battleships
humble mulch
But Alaska also is fought over for if she's just a BC
ivory ridge
People forget it but the super dreads are actually quite heavy ships
humble mulch
Like fuck kron is how many thousands tons bigger then nagato
somber knoll
Wasn't that also cause Leipzig drifted in front of prinz while changing her driv...
that too. tho for the most part it was the fog that caught Eugen's crew off guard and didn't notice that Leip was already in front of their cruise line.
spring briar
Alaska is just a small fast battleship
humble mulch
ivory ridge
A QE is 33k tons, not far from treaty BBs
spring briar
Kronshtadt is likewise a fast battleship
manic latch
Like fuck kron is how many thousands tons bigger then nagato
Kron is 4k tons lighter than Nagato I think
manic latch
Nagato is also 33k
Hold up is this launch nagato or refit
somber knoll
Like fuck kron is how many thousands tons bigger then nagato
kronk was 42.5 k standard
Nugget was 39k *standard after refit
so ye
humble mulch
Lmao
manic latch
Yes Nagato was 45.950 tons in 1944
spring briar
Krem
humble mulch
That’s a fucking BC
manic latch
spring briar
For the love of god
somber knoll
weegee moment
humble mulch
You’re just coping trying to use full as well
Cause Kron wasn’t actually made so she doesn’t have a legitimate Full load displacement
spiral cedar
Yeah or a small Iowa
No
spring briar
manic latch
You’re just coping trying to use full as well
When people speak of Yamato's weight. They say the 72k tons. Not the 65k Tons.
humble mulch
somber knoll
You’re just coping trying to use full as well
but but mah 57.5 k ton Honey
spiral cedar
But Alaska also is fought over for if she's just a BC
By wrong people
manic latch
Because full load is preferred
spiral cedar
Both view points work
Sure, if you accept that one of them is wrong
ivory ridge
spring briar
You use full load to laugh at bismarck
You use standard to win a bb vs bb argument
humble mulch
Glad Jaba is here
spring briar
Tea I swear to god
humble mulch
What
somber knoll
when I am about to answer a deleted post 
spring briar
humble mulch
Sexy
somber knoll
Yeah, it was the OP (read: origina poster) who deleted it
ivory ridge
somber knoll
and to answer that deleted question, I believe the Kawasaki Ki-147 I-Go ASM was a huge cope as it was a very late war addition.
kinda ironic that the IJA was the one operating it.
spring briar
manic latch
Undef 
strong plank
le cursed missile superdread
manic latch
le cursed missile superdread
Sverdlov vibes 
ivory ridge
Undef <:hmm:886726902449045534>
Ok and
manic latch
somber knoll
and to answer that deleted question, I believe the Kawasaki Ki-147 I-Go ASM was ...
@south forge it looked like the IJA just copied the V1 buzz bomb and added their own flavor with it.
manic latch
Don't think so
somber knoll
They did trials and while it was suggested that it would work well, in reality no actual launch were done because they figured that the aircraft carrying it would be too vulnerable due to the short range.
somber knoll
Same with the JB-2 Rocket.
JB-2 was pretty much a Paperclip product before the operation was actually authorized , and I don't think they ever used it in actual combat.
I mean
they were the American copy of the V1 after all
south forge
Magic Carpet?
spring briar
Operation to bring US troops home from abroad after the war
somber knoll
Hold up
somber knoll
Operation to bring US troops home from abroad after the war
I mixed up Paperclip with Magic Carpet 
south forge
Was about to say how would the JB-2 Rocket have brought American troops back home after the war?
somber knoll
in case you're wondering
south forge
What was Operation Paperclip though?
somber knoll
Paperclip was the operation to recruit former German engineers to design and build American rockets and missiles.
somber knoll
you probably have read Wernhard von Braun, the "father of rocket science".
strong plank
Was about to say how would the JB-2 Rocket have brought American troops back hom...
Well it’s not the most pleasant experience but…
somber knoll
Brain drain from Europe into the US
I mean, the munies were better when they got in so it's a win-win for them? 
humble mulch
Well it’s not the most pleasant experience but…
lmao
you ride them like a cowboy
somber knoll
a Texan sailor went on top of these JB-2s before they were launched from the USS Nicholas YEEHAW
manic latch
Brain drain from Europe into the US
Deserved
I doubt space race would cool like it was otherwise
spring briar
Swiss moon landing
spring briar
strong plank
lmao
you ride them like a cowboy
I mean you’ve seen Dr Strangelove
ivory ridge
spring briar
Nah not that
manic latch
tough quail
maiden citrus
Super Baltimore is a gross oversimplification, but her design is derived more fr...
correct, it's a cruiser with certain characteristics embiggened and the rest left alone, built up, not cut down
rapid junco
So
For how long P-40s operated in the USAAF?
Since i got someone saying that by 1940 those were already obsolete
manic latch
Since i got someone saying that by 1940 those were already obsolete
Kindaaa ish
The P-40 saw the most front line use in Soviet hands in 1942 and early 1943.
Then replaced by La-5s
rapid junco
Well
Let me give the full sentence
"By 1940 those were all obsolete, only Brazil to buy that crap"
manic latch
Yeah that's someone who hates Brazil
rapid junco
From the same place i got this
manic latch
Netherlands operated P40 till 1949 as I know
rapid junco
Yeah that's someone who hates Brazil
That's what we call a street dog here 
Which is a national person that hates its own country
manic latch
Ah a classic
P40 wasn't the best for certain especially after 1942-43. But it's not a bad plane
tough quail
Alaska is heavier than Colorado isn't she? <:PepeStare:912789768964833341>
as completed, yes
colorado eclipses her after the bulging
maiden citrus
alaska at standard is around 30k
colorado is around 33k
you might be thinking of nevada and penny, who were somewhat lighter at around 28k and 29k respectively
rapid junco
The P-40 saw the most front line use in Soviet hands in 1942 and early 1943.
I think there was even a Soviet modified version of the M or E variant, wasn't it?
manic latch
I think there was even a Soviet modified version of the M or E variant, wasn't i...
Soviets loved to remove the wing guns from lend lease planes. It made plane more agile and pilot to focus on more accuracy since all guns at nose
manic latch
Soviets loved to remove the wing guns from lend lease planes. It made plane more...
Their own planes as well mostly of course. Guns are mostly at nose
rapid junco
Nah i mean
With a different motor
manic latch
Likely
manic latch
frigid karma
Its positive accomplishments in Somalia have been overshadowed by the torture and murder of Somali teenager Shidane Arone by CAR soldiers, which became known as the Somalia affair. In the wake of the Somalia affair a number of videos became public showing members of the regiment participating in brutal hazing rituals, and displaying white supremacist symbols. The unit was subsequently disbanded.
tough quail
commonwealth airborne and being war criminals, name a more iconic duo
eager dove
That’s what happens when you use a unit as a dumping ground for the worst troops in the military
And some idiot fucking deploys them on peacekeeping
rapid junco
Isn't the airborne supposed to be an elite infantry?
tender monolith
elite is doing a lot of work in that sentence
frigid karma
commonwealth airborne and being war criminals, name a more iconic duo
britain: hmm the french have their cool foreign legion, i will try something similar and oh god oh fuck oh shit
humble mulch
Depends on the nation
While yes, generally they are more skilled due to what's needed to be done by airborne troops, some times they aren't at all used as elite units, given special missions, or treated any better then a different part of the army they are apart of
somber knoll
and by the way, the Frenchies use their FFL as mostly shock troops these days, ala some particular branch of the American Armed forces.
read: Marines
eager dove
Canada, France, Denmark and the US heading to the Arctic for the cooperative Operation Nanook 2022
HMCS Margaret Brooke, HDMS Triton, FS Rhone, HMCS Goose Bay, USCGC Bear and CCGS Leonard J. Cowley
humble mulch
And umm what’s that
strong plank
not being army #2
and refocusing on maritime/amphibious stuff
instead of being a second land army like in iraq and afghanistan
humble mulch
Yeah
They’ve been doing that for one hell of a time tho
Reminds me of the Romanian paratroopers in ww2, literally just used as assault units when swapping sides and not getting to combat jump or anything before the Soviets got pissed scared and canned them
strong plank
but yeah that shift back to their amphibious duties is why they've been getting rid of their tanks
part of the broader pivot to asia
desert agate
yeah and the whole decision has been immensely controversial
the decision to abandon MBTs without any sort of effective replacement does nothing but hamper the USMC's ability to conduct amphibious operations and realistically should be reversed until a new light tank can be acquired
direct fire support from an armoured vehicle to deal with fortified and/or armoured threats is invaluable to any fighting force, the USMC cannot simply abandon that without any sort of viable replacement
what good is an amphibious force which cannot capture the facilities required for army deployment because the enemy has MBT's present?
and what of opposed landings? yes those are rare, but you still need direct armoured support when you encounter one
tender monolith
i see crayon eating has extended to the top brass
desert agate
there's a lot of discussion within the USMC as to where to go in the future, this whole tank abandonment is just another step in that discussion
junior trench
Counterpoint
You can't even deliver the MBTs amphibiously anyway
And opposed landings are more than rare
They're utterly suicidal and are a last resort option that MBTs don't turn into a success by their presence
If you're actually in such a position that you're able to deploy amphibious forces to a beach from their ships and aren't getting absolutely shit on, then any opposition is going to be subject to fire from naval and air assets
Amphibious operations also one of the only cases I'd say with a straight face that ATGMs would be a good replacement for tanks
shrewd pecan
I mean if the Marines need tanks
the Army is fully able to provide
I doubt with the type of amphibious fights the marine corps is planning for tanks will be all that relevant
junior trench
and what of opposed landings? yes those are rare, but you still need direct armo...
Also
There's some very notable cases of hostile armor charging recently landed forces without armor
They resulted in the hostile armor getting fucking pasted by naval and air power
shrewd pecan
I mean if the assault gun requirement is absolutely needed the solution is pretty easy
why even bother with light tanks or MBTS when you can just smack a 105 or 120 MM on the ACV
hell a 90 MM would probably suffice
strong plank
the Army is fully able to provide
Exactly
shrewd pecan
any massed landing needing armored support would likely involve the army regardless
strong plank
the army’s also been looking at what it can do to operate in the sort of pacific battlefield that everyone’s anticipating
shrewd pecan
Marine Corps is there to simply secure the beachhead while Army's the exploitation force
strong plank
Hence programs like FVL
The marine corps attitude is more or less
“if we need tanks, we’ll call the army. No need to dedicate a large portion of our budget on a capability that another arm can readily provide, at the expense of something we’d actually need”
shrewd pecan
generally put the Marines also have a lot more tank killing platforms as well with Switchblade in service and the ACV likely getting CROW-JS and Javelins on its 30 MM RWS
strong plank
the money can be put towards more equipment for amphibious operations, or for more mobile antiship capabilities for A2AD
shrewd pecan
I wouldn't be surprised if the LAV replacement gets spike or some type of loitering munition carrier variant as well
frigid karma
Tanks are defined by their role which is to safely deliver a big gun that kills stuff to any position
If you’re talking about amphibious operations a warship can provide that role
shrewd pecan
I mean as cleve said actually getting the tank ashore is a entirely different issue
frigid karma
The decision to remove MBTs likely comes at some benefit
What this is, I don’t know
shrewd pecan
freeing up budget and space for other platforms
frigid karma
But the marines can rely on army tanks if conducting inland operations and navy gunfire if amphibious
shrewd pecan
Marine Corps is skimming down to focus towards island hoping campaigns on relatively small islands
frigid karma
freeing up budget and space for other platforms
Most likely this
shrewd pecan
anything there gonna face will likely be perfectly thin skin enough to kill with a 30 MM
any actual tank units on said islands would be small and inbetween
frigid karma
Like, during the amphibious invasions in ww2, most marine assaults started with LVTs, not Sherman’s, right?
shrewd pecan
yes
frigid karma
And at d day, the Sherman’s famously bogged down and led to the bloodbath at Omaha
shrewd pecan
if you need the assault gun just smack a 105 or 90 MM on the LAV replacement or the ACV
strong plank
I mean the marines say it best themselves
** MARINES ARE NOT ABANDONING COMBINED ARMS**
The Marine Corps of the future will have a well-trained, well-resourced, and lethal infantry capability. Organic precision fires will provide multiple echelons of the infantry battalion with a loitering, beyond-line-of-sight precision strike capability. In combination with T-UAS, it will provide a hunter/killer capability at the tactical level to rapidly engage an enemy beyond the range of direct fire weapons.
shrewd pecan
if they urgently need tanks they can either have army units attached or retrain for the capability ahead of a campaign
desert agate
I'm not saying the marines should keep MBTs by any means I'm just saying they need to have a replacement for an amphibious capable direct fire support vehicle
Like say, a light tank
frigid karma
Don't we have warships for supporting amphibious operations
and deeper than inland, probably army tanks will become available
shrewd pecan
I'm not saying the marines should keep MBTs by any means I'm just saying they ne...
I mean they do
its just a 30 MM instead of a tank gun
remote monolith
why is the wheel looks so tall anf the vehicle looks so narrow
wouldn't that mess with stability
shrewd pecan
its just the angle of the image
remote monolith
aah ok, trick of the eye
dapper parcel
MRAP in general looks like that
and will be for a long time until we find better solution than using a ｗｅｄｇｅ
manic latch
@spring briar Ramjet 155mm 
spring briar
ye
dapper parcel
solid fuel jet 
fierce sparrow
manic latch
I miss AHED
rapid junco
@ivory ridge
ivory ridge
bote
rapid junco
It's Mini Trento
lapis elm
I miss AHED <:feelssadman:618571895926947860>
Yoooo the Aliens tonk
zealous vine
A really stupid thought.
Could you slap 1 Des Moines gun on a tank (including at the loading system, and at least 1 projectile ring), or at least 1 Worcester gun.
(Ignoring other factors like the purpose it would serve, I just wanna know if it's possible)
tough quail
not without making the tank absolutely enormous
the caliber would already necessitate a tiger 2 style chonker tank, but the autoloading mechanisms would be much larger still
you'd likely be look at 100ton+ monstrosities
zealous vine
not without making the tank absolutely enormous
Of course. As expected.
Would it be in-between Maus-sized and Ratte-sized?
Wouldn't the loading system make it disproportionately tall?
tough quail
i dont think you'd get quite to maus size for a wooster gun but i dont know the particulars very well
might be more viable as a casemate
chilly osprey
Worchester used 152mm guns, the Maus was a 127mm. I think that says enough?
zealous vine
Nice to know.
zealous vine
Tf 16" land gun-?
tough quail
Worchester used 152mm guns, the Maus was a 127mm. I think that says enough?
nah not really
given maus was also very overweight and had a stupid coaxial gun
an is-2 is tiny in comparison with a 122mm
maiden citrus
iirc someone did the math and the maus weight is basically as strange as hipper's weight but in the opposite direction, as it has so much armor (even in places it doesn't need it) that it couldn't possibly weigh as it does
spiral cedar
Think that was the Ratte
maiden citrus
it'll work, trust
the viability of the maus and ratte is one thing, but the range vs fuel capacity of the maus is what really makes one sure germany was crazy
710 gallon internal fuel tank
39 mile range off road
even in the best case scenario of on road, the maus gets 0.14 mpg
just what germany needs right
shrewd pecan
so
the thing you can't move with train cars
that can't go across almost every bridge in europe
39 miles of range
shrewd pecan
I mean they could of just not overamored the maus
gilded girder
There's still the fuel problem
shrewd pecan
shaving off like 28 tons would do quite a bit while maintaining a mobile platform
tho end result would still be insanely impractical
humble mulch
And they kinda did it
Several times
Classic Germany
But a few nations had large train guns
shrewd pecan
But a few nations had large train guns
the 128 MM would of been pointless since its a tank gun
ideally your trains wouldn't be that close to the frontline
shrewd pecan
I DON'T WANT MY LOGISTICS LINES ON THE FRONTLINE
gilded girder
Yeah but armored trains are cool
So true king 🛐
maiden citrus
it gets 99 miles on road at least
which is less than any version of the sherman
shrewd pecan
128 was insane overkill regardless
maiden citrus
0.14mpg vs 0.9mpg, which nation is swimming in gas and which one has none, vote now
shrewd pecan
only platform I can think would of been practical for it was if they made some type of unarmored/lightly armored gun carrier
maiden citrus
armored trains are based
junior trench
Germany was too much of a noob to last long enough for that to happen
humble mulch
Yeah they trusted the Romanians lmao
Them swapping sides iirc ended the war in Europe by 6 months, so had that not happen would we have been able to nuke them?
Idk the surrender dates
junior trench
I don't know about the Hindenburg line
but Berlin would get glassed
which is the original usage plan anyway
spring briar
exotic scarab
zealous vine
How structurally vulnerable is WoWs' Yodo's hull.
And is there a reference for the Japanese 6" DP guns that Shimanto, Takahashi and Yodo use (or would the turret design be logical to some extent) ?
junior trench
???
I know those words but not how they're arranged
in any case, I'm just going to guess
zealous vine
in any case, I'm just going to guess
Oh no, not the Mogami guns. Im saying whether or not there was a base or reference to these other Japanese 150mm big bois that WoWs introduced in the new Japanese CL line
junior trench
what the fuck is a Shimanto
spring briar
it's wows' sorry attempt at figuring out what Japan would do with future CL designs
junior trench
Japan also never used a 15cm
spring briar
which is stupid because they modified the Mogami's to use the twin 203's like the other heavy cruisers
junior trench
it's wows' sorry attempt at figuring out what Japan would do with future CL desi...
not make them*
*as remotely conventional CLs
spring briar
so you'd never see japanese light cruisers with 18 guns like some of these have
zealous vine
what the fuck is a Shimanto
Oh wait, u didn't know-
Yah sorry, it's a rather fictional line
junior trench
I stopped trying to play WoWS when I stopped seeing any historical names in battles
spring briar
not make them*
*as remotely conventional CLs
yes yes
junior trench
so like
spring briar
spring briar
stuff like Gascogne, the O class etc was alright but nowadays it's just a circus
zealous vine
Sorry for bringing this up lol
junior trench
but to answer your question
no
there's references at all
it's totally fictional
zealous vine
Understandable. How disappointing..
junior trench
and it's a crime that WG dares to put a date of design or whatever the fuck they do for the info cards for this shit
doing more damage to people's ideas regarding ship design than Tzoli
which is saying something
zealous vine
zealous vine
Light Cruiser in nothing but gun caliber
zealous vine
lmao
spring briar
anyways if you want to read about the japanese 15.5cm cl's
go read Lacroix' book on japanese cruisers
zealous vine
Aight
spring briar
for specific data on guns
zealous vine
Lemme guess, Mogami is the dead end to the Japanese' attempt at making conventional light cruisers?
spring briar
just use Navweaps for guns
zealous vine
Man, I wanted to see that there was at least an attempt to make an 18 gun cruiser, just like how Zao was based off a rough 4x3 8" design
junior trench
Mogami was Japan trying to make more heavy cruisers
zealous vine
Sure.
junior trench
Japan basically stopped designing light cruisers that were even remotely conventional after Agano
Zao is based off some modeling magazine's made up shit
spring briar
After the 4th fleet incident (lmao) and them leaving the treaties, they modified them from "B class" cruisers to "A class cruisers"
Agano is indeed the "dead end" as far as actual IJN light cruisers go
zealous vine
Right, the Japanese just slapped 155mm on he Mogami to pass it off as a CL 
spring briar
their other "light cruisers" are barely light cruisers to begin with
Yubari has only a 6 gun broadside
zealous vine
Just larger DDs with aviation facilities, and negligibly larger guns
spring briar
the DD leaders are just slow and big DD's with less torps than DD's and easier to hit
basically emden
but with some torps
and less guns
spring briar
sigh
zealous vine
Did the space spent for equipment on Japanese CLs provide any edge over American CLs, or were the Japanese CLs just that old?
or are their roles just too different to compare at all
zealous vine
which Japanese CL's
Oyodo (Just taking a rough example)
alpine onyx
The Aganos are best ignored
spring briar
yeah Oyodo is a submarine squadron flagship
and was modified for flagship duties of the combined fleet
because lmao the war isn't going our way guys
spring briar
Did the space spent for equipment on Japanese CLs provide any edge over American...
Oyodo is anything but old as she was literally commissioned in '43
and by then her role shifted from submarine squadron flagship
to carrier escort/combined fleet flagship
with half of her deck taken up by aircraft facilities, giving her only a bit of AA on the front which is taken up by guns that will not shoot at anything regardless
so no, rather have a CL with actual AA to escort your carriers
in the end she got bombed by USN aircraft
like the rest of the remaining IJN
ivory ridge
alpine onyx
Still has decent AA for IJN standards
spring briar
oh so this toddler has a strong punch by toddler standards
I'm sure he'll do fine against this UFC fighter
gilded girder
#YouTried
alpine onyx
By late war it's basically impossible for any ship to have sufficient AA
And when in port, that's even more fun
eternal veldt
Oh boy, we're back on Japanese CLs again, are we?
spring briar
maiden citrus
alpine onyx
Let me tell you about the Aganos, as described by German wikipedia
eternal veldt
<:WarBlank:753375682620555284>
That one, surprisingly, has a basis.
alpine onyx
Roughly translated:
"The Agano class may seem underarmed, but only when compared to almost twice as heavy and complicated ships such as the Clevelands. A proper comparison would be two Aganos on one Cleveland. A more suitable comparison would be against Atlanta or Dido-class which noticably lag behind Agano, who with similarly heavy firepower can offer a stronger torpedo firepower, can move faster and has an aircraft."
eternal veldt
alpine onyx
Of course there's no citation anywhere
manic latch
eternal veldt
Oh no, not the Mogami guns. Im saying whether or not there was a base or referen...
As for this: T5: Real. T6: Actual paper. T7: Fake, but still in the realm of possibility. T8-10: IJA Copium + fake.
desert agate
Oyodo was such a trash concept lmfao
cant believe they ever bothered trying to build it
maiden citrus
got a 2TB SSD and will put all my naval pdf's on it hell yes
same, the one I posted that was on sale
maiden citrus
Of course there's no citation anywhere
well yeah, how would you cite a lie
gilded girder
"It was revealed to me in a dream"
spring briar
wrote it in the margin of this book
desert agate
suddenly remembering how i had a dream last night that japan used caged lattice masts
i dont understand what it meant
eternal veldt
As for Yodo, I guess very small credit can be given to this insanity
junior trench
Agano can't even keep out 5" SP Common very confidently
meanwhile Oyodo should really have some more AA instead of those 6.1" guns
wtf are you doing getting into LA 6.1" gun range of anything with your flagship/submarine squadron leader
maiden citrus
Omaha looking at Agano: pathetic
maiden citrus
eternal veldt
shhh, might have night battles any moment now
spring briar
wtf are you doing getting into LA 6.1" gun range of anything with your flagship/...
especially with her Agano armor
dapper parcel
Oyodo was such a trash concept lmfao
This is such Japanese thing to do. Thought out a super complicated niche concept and go all the way with it. I mean, look at what Yodo was supposed to lead...
If the design wasn't crazy enough, then the "expected typical mission profile" surely will
junior trench
floatplane scouting for submarines with single engine floatplanes from a cruiser
unless you want to get utterly fucked you're going to need some sort of escort for this aviation unit
manic latch
Yes
undone remnant
And names that
Based off
Actually nevermind
Are they just ww1 crusier names
I forgot them already actually hold on
dapper parcel
River names, standard stuffs
undone remnant
Yeah they're all rivers looks like
Thought I'm gonna be hearing some names from the really early 1900s
Have not checked on wg until like, very recently
I see a British Battlecruiser line now
I'm early access
Which I think is neat
tough quail
they tend to reuse old names, or if unavailable, mimic the naming convention
manic latch
Yup
manic latch
Shame Admiral Ushakov didn't got cool name like "Iron Curtain". Since WG sticks to old names
undone remnant
and
Uhh
Those near top tier French cruiser like thing ?
"cruiser"
I'm still confused on what they are supposed to be
manic latch
They make people who cried about Stalingrad being in cruiser slot see the true horror
Thus I am happy for their coming
undone remnant
eh things like the Kronstadt counts as cruisers here
nm sure
Gaijin added a Kronstadt not too long ago
which was marked as battlecruiser soo
But I'm pretty happy seeing the British Battlecruiser tree
other than indefatigable
the G3 inspired ships of course because of their unique turret layout
tough quail
g3 best girl
ivory ridge
tough quail
based
ivory ridge
strong plank
exits NATO
attacks US, triggering NATO response
manic latch
Yeah like. Waging war on US while in Nato would be better option if you really have to
ivory ridge
honest thats so outlandish i dont believe it even for a second
It's the same party that wants to leave NATO and EU in current situation
So lmao
tough quail
its not so much pulling out of NATO that's bizarre to me than
why the fuck would they want to attack the US at the tail end of the 90s
manic latch
It's the same party that wants to leave NATO and EU in *current situation*
UK: yeeees leave the EU 
tough quail
like yeah the US is stinky but im trying to grasp a reason for that specifically from an italian pov
manic latch
why the fuck would they want to attack the US at the tail end of the 90s
No Soviet Union to aid as well
Likely the worst time possible
ivory ridge
It was a feint so they could invade us and we become the 51st state /s
frigid karma
honestly with the amount of italians in New York i think they would've just been absorbed into New York as one of its districts
ivory ridge
strong plank
Imagine watching the Gulf War go down and thinking “yeah we can take that”
spring briar
manic latch
https://twitter.com/CrazyItalianPol/status/1554884679718912001?t=PLs1z4YzvK5s0_Y...
From the great Roman Empire to this 
manic latch
ivory ridge
spiral cedar
spring briar
Hi jaba
spiral cedar
Hello
tough quail
tug friends
manic latch
tug friends
I think French designed a special tug for PANG
maiden citrus
the tugs nuzzle into the mother
manic latch
Wish I was the tug
rapid junco
"The tugboat, for its size. It's the most powerful craft afloat"
maiden citrus
the art of emulating tugboats as warships
frigid karma
What if we made a tugboat
But bigger
And armor it so much that it’s immune to torpedoes and ASMs
strong plank
Stick phalanx on your tugs so they double as AA screen
junior trench
why would you introduce a weak point like that into your shell construction on a shell that's allegedly good against sloped plates
subtle prawn
remote monolith
junior trench
spring briar
why would you introduce a weak point like that into your shell construction on a...
Flat head shell best performance against sloped plate comrade, but I like pointy shell so we must put pointy shell underneath flat headed shell blyat
BR-412b and d my beloved
junior trench
except they aren't the best
it's almost like the Soviets went back to heat treated sharp nosed shells ASAP post war for a reason
spring briar
Homogeneous armor is very weak to hard nosed pointed shells
Almost like special common vs agano
junior trench
yeah
and uh
even the Germans went all in on homogenous for tank armor
after the first year or two
junior trench
the only thing which saved Soviet shells was that German plates were heehoo
spring briar
Hehe hardened plate ja
junior trench
so the flat nose still worked*
spring briar
:Normal_German:
Ja
Krupp harden it more
Make it glass so I chuck a rock at it and break it
spiral cedar
Go on, actually
I heard about this topic briefly before
But I wanna hear both of your thoughts on the topic
spring briar
I'm not 100% on the details, but during the war, soviet shells were not that hard (250-450 bnh?) whereas german armor was usually very hardened deep into the plate.
This means that soviet sharp nosed shells failed to penetrate the plates but flat nosed shells could plug the german armor really well
so the german failure of thoughening the armor negated the soviet failure to properly heat treat their shells
so they stuck with those
but when armor got better those weren't working either anymore because you defeat homogeneous with hard and tough sharp tipped shells
don't quote me on this though
zealous vine
As for Yodo, I guess very small credit can be given to this insanity
Hey, btw..
You got anymore of these blueprints
(Or maybe just the sauce)
eternal veldt
Check the Hiraga archive
zealous vine
Aight cool, thanks (sorry for pinging)
eternal veldt
She's a hybrid, yes. WG provided to remove that and fuck everything up.
but 18 guns is already bad - the IJN are not idiots, it wouldn't pass for fire control.
somber knoll
I want whatever he was smoking with his kiseru pipe ngl.
eternal veldt
(granted stuff like Oyodo exists)
eternal veldt
please shoot me
shrewd pecan
that as well
fierce sparrow
frigid karma
please shoot me
silver you gotta embrace the memes
it still looks more realistic than a ratte tbh
tender monolith
it still looks more realistic than a ratte tbh
low bar
undone remnant
if i shot one of their ammo racks it'll be a chain reaction of different shell sizes detonating
beautiful
spiral cedar
During the battle, several Japanese shells hit the Russian destroyer, one of which damaged the main steam pipeline and steam boiler, causing the ship to lose speed. All attempts to close the hole were unsuccessful. The destroyer lost its course and turned into a stationary target. Hot steam quickly filled the engine room, but the hold watch - six sailors led by mechanical engineer Zverev - did not leave their combat post and continued to fight for survivability. Superheated steam, they "cooked" alive. Senior mechanical engineer V.V. Zverev tightly closed the hole with his body, sacrificing his life, returned mobility to the destroyer "Strong".
spring briar
rapid junco
tender monolith
good name for a sub tender
manic latch
Need a sub tender named M.I.L.F
Maintenance and industrial longevity fosterer
manic latch
spring briar
glossy gulch
Oh man I love history
desert agate
well you're in the right place
unborn wyvern
"I love history Charlie, I LOVE HISTORYYYYYYYYYY"
pallid grove
Anyone have good sources to read about Charles Ausburn, the ship?
spiral cedar
Anyone have good sources to read about Charles Ausburn, the ship?
USS Charles Ausburne / Fletcher Class Destroyer 1942-1967 by William H. Cracknell
spiral cedar
Oh man I love history
Welcome
spiral cedar
*USS Charles Ausburne / Fletcher Class Destroyer 1942-1967* by William H. Crackn...
Goes over the origins of the Fletcher class design, DD-570 herself, and her most important battles
pallid grove
She was the most-decorated Fletcher right?
eternal veldt
That title goes to O'Bannon, in terms of battle stars.
pallid grove
Ah, the ship that scared off a Japanese sub with a bucket of potatoes. Of course.
eternal veldt
Ah, the ship that scared off a Japanese sub with a bucket of potatoes. Of course...
This is likely an embellishment.
Accounts remark that the sub was "within a potato's throw".
spiral cedar
Desron 23, of which Charles Ausburne was a part, was the only Desdiv to get the Presidential Unit Citation
desert agate
a potatos throw is a remarkably specific and yet undescriptive unit of measurement
spiral cedar
She and her surviving sisters also became members of the (Federal) German Navy after the war
Charles Ausburne herself became Z6
eternal veldt
a potatos throw is a remarkably specific and yet undescriptive unit of measureme...
It was a remark from the cook, if I recall.
I find it hard to believe that a ship at general quarters would have potatoes handily laying around, uncooked and in bins at that.
desert agate
cooks are well known for their potato throwing skills
gotta keep hungry LTs out of the kitchen afterall
eternal veldt
Warspite (or another BB at Jutland) having bread flying out of the bread locker is surreal enough, I guess.
eternal veldt
Still, uncooked potatoes on deck, yea, nah.
frigid karma
a potatos throw is a remarkably specific and yet undescriptive unit of measureme...
for a ship like o'bannon?
that's an irish name if i ever heard one
maiden citrus
you gotta have fries on hand
eternal veldt
I don't think high-explosive flash fried potatoes are particularly healthy or tasty
shrewd pecan
desert agate
yeah this was unveiled earlier this week
shrewd pecan
(deleted a comment that was me misreading something)
desert agate
i can definitely see other militaries world wide looking at this specifically for the viability of their own projects
shrewd pecan
ok there's nothing backing up that claim I saw about it being able to go 1,000 KMs
desert agate
oil fuel will for the most part die out eventually and as it dies oil prices will only get higher, militaries need to reduce operational costs
shrewd pecan
I mean
desert agate
ok there's nothing backing up that claim I saw about it being able to go 1,000 K...
standard bushmasters only have a range of 800km anyway
shrewd pecan
they have to get passed the issues with charging times, getting sufficient charging capacity to the front and the potential danger from battery fires
in its current form it only has 300 KM range
shrewd pecan
its all electric
desert agate
the ePMV is expected to enter the field eventually employing a hybrid electric drive for 140kW power and 480Nm continuous torque, with a diesel engine that acts as a range extender.
desert agate
the one that has been built is a battery only concept vehicle
shrewd pecan
I can see hybrids being fully serviceable
main thing about all electric is getting past the challenges involved
(that 1,000 claim claim was the hybrid one wasn't it)
desert agate
we're probably a good decade away before we see militaries go serious on full electric
desert agate
(that 1,000 claim claim was the hybrid one wasn't it)
probably what ADF wants from the hybrid
shrewd pecan
probs
desert agate
since the hybrid isn't actually built yet i dont think we'll know for sure
ADF is usually pretty tight lipped about project development in general
shrewd pecan
I feel like
if they can get electric vehicles in that high of a range range
you can likely make the charge times more manageable
desert agate
300km range isn't that bad for most militaries anyway
shrewd pecan
since you just charge the vehicle when the unit is resting
desert agate
ADF? absolutely not, with the distances involved in Australia 300km is far too short
shrewd pecan
tho the issue is still getting enough power to the frontlines
desert agate
but in densely populated Europe?
desert agate
tho the issue is still getting enough power to the frontlines
portable battery banks transported in from charging stations behind the lines
shrewd pecan
you'd probably have a HEMTT or something
with a massive battery in the rear with a generator
tho the power generation requirements still remain on top of that
standard fuels just make more sense militarily right now
since in the field generating enough power would likely be challenging to keep a armored unit moving
desert agate
I don't think we'd see electric vehicles in logistics for a while anyway
shrewd pecan
I can see limited use cases for special forces
desert agate
standard fuels just make more sense militarily right now
Indeed but not even the military can escape global economic trends
shrewd pecan
I mean
oil is going to likely be produced regardless for a long time due to other requirements
with military size budgets you can likely keep enough fuel in production until the necessary technologies are there
desert agate
Yes but it's only going to get more expensive
shrewd pecan
I mean the US Army is mainly running off of airplane fuel
desert agate
To the point where some countries might just not be able to afford it
shrewd pecan
you aren't phasing that out with anything close to current tech
desert agate
Avgas is sticking around for a looong time
shrewd pecan
yeah
thinking about it getting rid of the gas turbine might actually be short sighted for future logistics
especially if diesel keeps getting more and more expensive to get
(tho you can still run JP-8 in diesel engines)
desert agate
Thing is avgas production is relied upon by the entire global aviation industry and requires entirely different production facilities to unleaded or diesel
shrewd pecan
electric planes are limited use cases anyways due to their range
desert agate
And the global aviation industry isn't moving away from avgas the tech just isn't there
Diesel and unleaded though?
10 years before the entire developed world has phased both those fuels out of commercial and civil use
Give or take half a decade
And many militaries just won't be able to afford the drastic increase in cost that will bring
shrewd pecan
depends
electric military vehicles will likely remain out of reach cost wise for quite a while
even in a post wide adoption electric vehicles world
desert agate
They will but this is just the general trend of where things are going
shrewd pecan
its likely a market will remain for diesel and unleaded fuel for quite awhile
especially when developing countries will have a much harder time making the transition
due to limited powergrid capacities
desert agate
Yes but supply and demand remains king in these matters
shrewd pecan
and its likely buying diesel will likely be more affordable and practical for most nations
desert agate
As demand reduces in the world's largest oil consumers (the developed world) prices will increase
And the developing world will too follow that trend at some point in this century
manic latch
Full Electric Australian Abrams when
desert agate
Australian range requirements mean that full electric just isn't really feasible here right now
Hell the army tried to keep Leo1s over the Abram's because Leo 1 had better range
Europe can facilitate large rural electric infrastructure
Good luck with that in Daintree rainforest
Or central Northern Territory
shrewd pecan
idk in terms of electric while it does offer advantages
humble mulch
Or the middle of nowhere
shrewd pecan
disadvantages even in wide adoption scenarios where diesel becomes more rare
just out way the new advantages
like if your reliant on civilian power infrastructure guess what the first thing your enemy is going to hit is going to be
if you have a network of battery trucks you then need to also develop a method of generating massive amounts of power in field
desert agate
in the end we need further technological development but hybrids are an excellent step in that regard offering very few disadvantages
portable nuclear reactor lmfao
shrewd pecan
in terms of poorer nations it seems out of reach cost wise to make the switch especially with retraining their capabilities for such a thing
I mean you can make a mobile reactor work
Tho what happens when someone hits it
desert agate
cry
shrewd pecan
Civilian wise I can see the advantages in mobile reactors
especially for more rural areas (assuming it’s affordable)
desert agate
i suppose it depends on the front in the end
in a clash between the US and China in the Pacific, ships can provide power generation
shrewd pecan
I mean the ships also can carry large amounts of diesel and aviation fuel
odds are diesel would still stick around for the naval market as well
desert agate
diesel and oil fuels are kind of necessary for ships yeah
but again the global commercial trend is trying to reduce consumption as much as possible, which would mean increased operating costs for our fleets
shrewd pecan
militaries would likely be the most able to eat the cost
desert agate
they would until we can develop alternatives
shrewd pecan
I don’t really see any practical alternatives
outside of nuclear
idk how the hell you’d somehow make a ship hydropower and still have it go at reasonable military speeds for example
desert agate
idk maybe we'll discover some magic rocks lmfao
shrewd pecan
only thing I think could be doable is if you can make affordable naval nuclear reactors for a all nuke fleet
idk if the USN wanted to dip a fuckton of money into such a concept they likely could but I doubt it would be anymore affordable than diesel
suppose fusion may be a future option
desert agate
yeah thats gonna need a huge expansion of civil nuclear infrastructure so we can have enough nuclear engineers
shrewd pecan
if fusion becomes doable I don’t see why you can’t use it for powering a ship
tho may have similar issues to nuclear
gilded girder
idk maybe we'll discover some magic rocks lmfao
Inb4 hydrogen
junior trench
All electric is a joke
The CR3 EV proposal required more than 3 times the weight of the current power pack and fuel to maintain the same range
remote monolith
an ancient Majapahit statue from the Gaprang site, Blitar
spiral cedar
What does the left statue look like
remote monolith
||There are 2 (two) statues facing each other in a squatting position. The Gaprang statue is depicted with the characteristics of a large body like a giant, having large genitals. The face of the statue is depicted with a sinister face, bulging eyes and a grimacing mouth showing its fangs, the hair looks straight back to the back.||
||From its embodiment, especially from the depiction of a very large genitalia, it can be assumed that the statue has something to do with fertility problems or it could be because his face is the face of a powerful giant. But it can also depict Hindu statues called tantrayana.||
remote monolith
What does the left statue look like
the other statue has a gaping hole between its legs
spiral cedar
Ah
remote monolith
clearer image of the statues
somber knoll
Big dicc powah
manic latch
POV: your ally is Britain
Most honorful act of Royal Navy
eternal veldt
Pulling out of al-lore because it's already far off topic, small details like these are often key to telling sisters apart from one another
In the face of poorly captioned photos in the archive, it's a safe measure
spring briar
I can tell because of the feel usually
eternal veldt
See: Trento labelled as a French cruiser
or the AWM mislabelling KGV as Duke of York
somber knoll
alpine onyx
Can be satisfied with Blücher, real bote
Just gotta bear the next week or so of people whose source on Blücher is r/historymemes
spring briar
so how will you defend her
somber knoll
just say she was the most successful of the Hippers. End of story
alpine onyx
Her?
Not that much, she was in an awful position with a load that begged for that to happen
somber knoll
oof
btw, now that we have a gold Blucher
will scheer be gold or purple like the rest of the Desulands?
alpine onyx
But the painting that people like to sell for that night is hilariously off
Someone tell him about USN cruisers
somber knoll
Someone tell him about USN cruisers
slightly off topic, but I can imagine North Carolina's smugface when she shows her thicc ass TDS
alpine onyx
not that it matters, since the torpedo hit was by far not the main worry of Blücher's command
spring briar
slightly off topic, but I can imagine North Carolina's smugface when she shows h...
I think New Mex would be more fitting
or Tennessee
somber knoll
hm
alpine onyx
North Carolina still showed some impressive TDS performance
eternal veldt
NC's TDS is great, yea