history

[tough quail]

engineers got bored and started making irl hot wheels again

[manic latch]

To be honest Veneto does look concept design. Yet it's produced

[dusty kraken]

Who tf doesnt want an irl hot wheels tho

[tough quail]

just in very few numbers, understandably

[junior trench]

Especially if renewable power grids end up having to do what we expect they'll need to do

And have an entire shadow grid

That can pick up the slack when the weather isn't cooperating

[tough quail]

they're really childish designs in a very charming way

[cinder escarp]

You want EV?

full electric chonky 2

[junior trench]

EV Challenger is fucking cursed

[cinder escarp]

28 tonnes of batteries

[junior trench]

Use them as reactive armor

They might not react the way you want them to though

[manic latch]

There are speaks of Electric armor. Can you combine them?,

Since if they work. They should replace ERAs

[tough quail]

if you're thinking of the stuff i think you are that's generally very low voltage

at least the dude-issued stuff

[humble mulch]

Bro a 28t battery

Yeah fuck the earth

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_armour

This

[junior trench]

That is like

[manic latch]

"A key advantage of electric armour is its lighter weight. Whereas ERA (explosive reacting armour) can add 10 to 20 tons of weight to a tank in explosives, electric armour could be effective with as little as a few tons of weight"

[tough quail]

ohhh

[junior trench]

Peak physicists vs engineers

[tough quail]

i was thinking of the weird russian infantry-ERA they put in a patent for a couple years ago

[junior trench]

Could it technically work

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

where it's super tiny charges set off by electromagnetics

[junior trench]

Sure, I guess

Could anyone ever get it to fit onto anything sanely?

screaming

[manic latch]

China, US, British are developing it it seems

[cinder escarp]

21 cubic meters of volume to boot!

[junior trench]

"we did it Patrick, we saved the city soldier!"
Soldier is currently bleeding out from frag to the bottom of head and neck

[manic latch]

[humble mulch]

Like

Idk how fucking dumb its gonna look

But how big of a battery would be needed for a Bradley

[manic latch]

Guess we need better and smaller generators

[humble mulch]

Full send the Bradley project

I'm pretty sure we already do

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[humble mulch]

It's called a fucking engine

[tough quail]

"The invention relates to the field of military and civilian technology and is intended to protect humans and combat robots. Dynamic armor for humans and combat robots consists of composite cells with explosives (9). On the surface of the explosive (9) there is an electrically polarized piezoceramic plate (8), which serves as a source of a high-intensity electric field and is electrically polarized by the impact of a bullet. Provides the ability to reliably protect objects from attacking bullets and fragments without damage to the protected object from a shock wave and other damaging factors of an explosion with the minimum required content of an explosive in the composite cell. 2 wp f-crystals, 2 dwg., 2 tbl."

Dynamic armor for a person and a combat robot with the minimum required content of an explosive in a composite cell is capable of reliably protecting objects from attacking bullets and fragments without damaging the protected object from a shock wave and other damaging factors of an explosion. The specific gravity of the explosive is several times less than that of metals and armor ceramics, therefore, dynamic armor for humans and combat robots is lighter than similar armor using steel, titanium and armor ceramics. For example, the weight of modern human protection devices against a 7.62-mm B-32 armor-piercing bullet using combat ceramics is 50 kg / m 2 . Weight of dynamic armor for a person and a combat robot of the same protection class 25 kg / m 2... Modern ceramic protection of vehicles against damage from a 12.7-mm sniper rifle or machine gun weighs 120 kg / m 2 . The weight of similar dynamic armor is 70 kg / m 2 . The cost of dynamic armor is 4 times less than ceramic."```

the wildest of shit

[manic latch]

Soviets designing a concept:

Soviet executing the concept:

[frigid karma]

solar powered CV

CVS for carrier, solar

[manic latch]

Thinking it as whole runway as solar panel

[dapper parcel]

Meh, the "armor" itself might not weigh much, but you still need the energy storage for the charge needed to vaporize the penetrator. Battery isn't known for its high energy density and capacitor is a lot worse than battery, both a lot worse than even explosives.

Electric armor and electric propulsion are nice, but not when you combine both. At least for now
Either electric armor with conventional fuel engine, or electric drivetrain with conventional reactive armor

[junior trench]

Leopard 2 capacitors randomly discharging uncontrollably go brrrrr

[round sentinel]

is there any historical reason why da vinci has a mini kangaroo?
Some HMAS shit I'm missing?

[round sentinel]

ahh, thanks

[eternal veldt]

Before anyone asks about Roma's skill as well, Yes, Roma had a sonar system fitted on board. Removed 5th June 1943.

[alpine onyx]

Who would not have a sonar on board?

[night heart]

can it charge my samsung a 50 for like 2 hours ?

[spring briar]

I have one in my back pocket

[eternal veldt]

VV and Littorio doesn't, if I am interpreting Bagnasco's words correctly.

In which case, makes a lot of sense why VV ate a torp from Urge in her stern.

Even then, Roma's got hers removed, so...

[subtle prawn]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/hhi-launches-south-koreas-first-kdx-iii-batch-ii-destroyer/

[spiral cedar]

The USSR repeatedly suggested that it believed the Chinese wish to provoke a conflict between the Soviet Union and the United States in the Gulf of Tonkin. A widely-distributed CPSU letter to other parties in February 1966 claimed that the Chinese sought such a conflict "in order to be able to, as they themselves say, 'observe the battle of the tigers while seated on the hill.'" In April 1966, the Soviet leaders circulated a document at the 23rd CPSU Congress which accused the Chinese of trying to force the Soviet Union to ship its military aid by sea and risk a clash with the Seventh Fleet, and thereby to force a Soviet-US showdown.

[manic latch]

Guess Indian Navy officially got the Vikrant

But commission should happen in August

[fierce sparrow]

[manic latch]

When you have only 1 Fren

[manic latch]

@spring briar Project23Bis. Bis stands for same reason as French word

"Repeat/encore"

So yes. Project23Bis is literally can be called Soyuz flight II, or a bugfix as you can say

Not dramatic but needed changes

Except the 12 gun variant of the bis.
That's the dramatic one
9 gun variant is more humble

[spring briar]

yeah

just like the french use of bis

lol

b1 bis

project 5 bis

[manic latch]

Check this beauty out

[spring briar]

UP41n't

[manic latch]

Longer hull for better speed efficiency, Chapayev gun secondaries instead twin ones, 2 more 100mm Dual purpose guns

And American Style TDS instead Italian

And here

Instead belt having 420, 406, 390, 380, 375mm armor. It's turned to all 380mm

[spring briar]

american tds?

[manic latch]

Yup

[spring briar]

what is that

do you mean

french tds?

[manic latch]

It was inspired from West Virginia

Soo dunno

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Here

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

God Soyuz is so humble. Soviets knew her design had flaws they wanted to change but still kept building because of enthusiasm

Sacrificing herself for her future sisters so they wouldn't carry same mistakes

[spring briar]

they scrapped the project in 1949 tho

[manic latch]

Because it turned to Project 24

Which also evolved from Soyuz upgrade projects

[spring briar]

and project 24 ended up becoming the ballistic missile cruisers

foreign spies tho

[manic latch]

See K-1000 is interesting.

I think CIA had no idea about Project 24 design for a long long long while. So the rumours K-1000 was created likely the assumption of Sovetsky Soyuz sisters turning to missile battleships

Since CIA didn't had idea about real size and lenght of Soyuz. K-1000 did reached absurd scales

Hell CIA considered Kronshtadt as battleship too. (In a logic it Makes sense)

[ivory ridge]

I

[spring briar]

Kronshtadt is a battleship

[ivory ridge]

mean

she is

[spring briar]

exactly

[ivory ridge]

bro she is heavier than the american treaty BBs

[manic latch]

Her design was around 25k tons. Scharnhorst's appreance fucked her weight up

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

just because she is using pool noodles as weapons and she has the armor of a wet towel it doesnt make her less of a BB

[spring briar]

tfw prioritize 283's and not 330's

[ivory ridge]

it's like they were allies or something

[spring briar]

but ig operating range counts for smth

[manic latch]

Same happened to Soyuz too. Soviets were sticking around 35-45k tons. Then Soviets heard Japan was going +50k ton BB so Soyuz weight gone 60k

[ivory ridge]

So Ansaldo Cruiser killer

[manic latch]

Yosh

Marco was also 45k tons right

Which shows Soviet intent on sticking 45k

[spring briar]

*Japan and Germany

with the Japan rumours taking a back seat to Germany

[manic latch]

Irrc Bismarck was decided to use 380mm guns because of Soyuz class rumours too

Yo Undef

What rumours Veneto designed against

KGV?

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

the dunks

[spring briar]

literally dunkek

[manic latch]

Speak of overkill

[ivory ridge]

well they needed a modern battleship

[spring briar]

less overkill than dunkek vs deutschland ngl

[ivory ridge]

it's not just a matter of countering a specific ship

especially because Italy was

yknow

Italy

so if they built a middle level BB

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

building a "full" one to catch up everyone else would be way harder

[alpine onyx]

Bisko was upgunned from 350 to 380mm because of Richelieu

[manic latch]

WG lied to me

[spring briar]

bad take by germoney

[alpine onyx]

Could've gotten turbo electric Bisko

[manic latch]

tho I guess it makes sense. Germans likely had idea about Soyuz until 1941

[spring briar]

any idea about the potency of the 350's?

[alpine onyx]

Nope

[spring briar]

sigh

[manic latch]

Tho purchases of 406mm blueprints should be sus

[spring briar]

instead you got them 380's

[alpine onyx]

Could extrapolate, tho then again, could also just use my 355mm estimates

[spring briar]

sadge

I don't think extrapolating would work too well

I'd expect them to be more like the 11"

[alpine onyx]

Just slap on four 355mm triples

[spring briar]

no

[alpine onyx]

Yes

[spring briar]

n o

also

the /45 or /50

[manic latch]

Fumo 23

[manic latch]

@alpine onyx Yo Siren

Kronshtadt would use these if she got the 380mm right

[spring briar]

you think they'd give her the radar?

[manic latch]

maybe not radar. But rangefinder?

[alpine onyx]

Not sure tbh

Also on bote atm

Pat the bote

[spring briar]

why would they?

just hand them the range tables

if they need help with that they can then ask for help

like
which they did

on multiple occasions

if anything soyuz is an international effort fueled by russian workers

[manic latch]

Stalin told him: Buy as many ships as you can (from Germans)...Remember that each ship we buy is one less ships for the Germans and one more for us."

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Soviet delegation visited Zeppelin, Scharnhorst, Hipper and even Bismarck

[spring briar]

Algerie

[manic latch]

"Soviet constructors were surprised by ship's old fashioned underwater protection system"

[manic latch]

As you know. Soviets wanted 450mm guns with turrets from France

France was "too busy"

[spring briar]

*up to 450mm guns

[manic latch]

up to 45cm indeed

[spring briar]

just to remind you
the 1938 period in french shipbuidling was probably the bussiest ever

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Strasbourg, the carrier, rich and jb, the new destroyer leaders

subs

new planes for the air force and navy

[ivory ridge]

bussi

[manic latch]

When German navy was mostly turning down Soviet request in 1920s. V.I Zof, head of naval forces, complained to a German delegation that the Italians had been much more open and responsive to Soviet overtures.

Italy Fren

[spring briar]

gee

I wonder what germany was up to in the 1920's

oh wait

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-fire-gif-19254681

[manic latch]

Hey Weimar is based. First country to recognize Soviet Union

[spring briar]

when was that?

[manic latch]

16 April 1922 Treaty of Rapallo

[spring briar]

oh

right after the western siberian rebellion/uprising

[manic latch]

After Germany's defeat in the war in 1918, the territory was transformed into a number of new independent states, including Poland. Like Germany, Russia was left diplomatically isolated, as its transition to communist rule had led to the loss of western allies as "the policies pursued by the victors, especially France, left no alternative to Germany but to move closer to Russia"

[alpine onyx]

Not like there was a Treaty that strictly forbid Germany from doing arms exports or any sort of meaningful development

[spring briar]

bonjour mon ami

[alpine onyx]

The treaty did result in those uber cute and adorbs 1923s

[manic latch]

Not sure man. Army wise Weimar did tested things inside Soviet Union didn't they

To avoid Versailles

[spring briar]

that was more so after 1933

[alpine onyx]

But those were kinda illegal

[manic latch]

Exactly

[spring briar]

the tractor stuff was during weimar iirc

also glider pilot training

germany and russia

[alpine onyx]

Also yeah, took quite some time fpr them to pick up any ambitions

[spring briar]

smh

[alpine onyx]

They had some other business to attend to

[manic latch]

Soviets wanted "advices" and upgrades on existing designs from them it seems especially for submarines

In 1930. Soviets were allowed to inspect Deutschland under construction

When Hitler came to power this ended for a while

For 8-9 years

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

Deutschland is too precious

Also there were frequent tours on board the Ks whenever they visited foreign ports

So surely the Soviets got to visit one of those as well

[manic latch]

Here is the final trade. Or shopping list of Union let's say.

One fully equipped 381mm turret. Sketches for 406mm triple turret ( Kurfurst pogchamp), working drawings of 28cm turret

In return. Soviets will give 3.4 million tons of foodstuffs and raw materials

[spring briar]

by that point they were wanking Algerie and Italian stuff so dunno

it's possible tho

[manic latch]

And of course approval was given for Soviets to order sixteen 381mm

[alpine onyx]

At least from the German end there should be no reason for why they wouldn't allow it

[spring briar]

380mm krem

or 381 mm italian?

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-geralt-of-rivia-the-witcher-fuck-gif-15913480

[spring briar]

kek

[alpine onyx]

If they allow some rando American tourists on board

[spring briar]

since 1923 they weren't gonna get anything from britain

france was angry because they abandoned the war

and bc communism

you know

bad memories

[manic latch]

Seems Soviets really wanted easy way of "buying a navy"

But market was mostly closed to them

Only Italians and Germans were really open

[spring briar]

however from 1935 onward france and the ussr were in a scientific cooperation pact

[manic latch]

And Germans scam level open

[spring briar]

it was just schneider that wasn't willing to help ig

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

scheider was too busy competing with terni and krupp

[manic latch]

You know Kearsarge gives me sus so bad. If Soviet Union did order that beast and US somehow finished it in time. I am sure they would yoink it

[manic latch]

Hey Siren I was wondering. Why Montana max limit used to be 59k tons?

And how did it passed 59k tons later?

It was likely shipyard issue so they build a larger shipyard?

[alpine onyx]

That'd be a question for a USN nerd

I do German bote

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

apparently there were plans to enlarge the #4 dry dock at NY Naval Yard

[manic latch]

Yeah Montana was limited to 59k because of NY

But not sure how she got bigger

[strong plank]

as well as plans to add a third set of locks to the Panama Canal

Oh the plans got bigger right around the point when war broke out and everyone started disregarding the treaties

[manic latch]

Also I guess that upgrade would specially be for Montana class

Since Even Midway was 45k tons

Man sometimes I wonder if Soviets should have converted Kronshtadt and Soyuz to carriers after realizing the armor and turret construction will take way too long

Since for carriers. You don't waste your time on armor and turrets. Weight is also lighter

You just need to convert the planes and add some catapults if possible

Or make a new plane. Which should be much easier

[manic latch]

“If any foreign minister begins to defend to the death a "peace conference," you can be sure his government has already placed its orders for new battleships and aeroplanes.”
— Joseph Stalin

[slate blade]

Need designation for SU-2 bomb. 100lb FAB? Or something more prosaic like 100lb large radius. Anything besides skipbomb.

[manic latch]

Currently closest thing I can think of is FAB-50sv

Let me search more

Wows Chkalov for example. Drops FAB-500 bombs from her SU-2s

FAB-500B for skip bombers

Which is 500kgs

I guess it's Manjuu doing Manjuu things

[slate blade]

how many does it carry in wows? 2?

[manic latch]

1

[slate blade]

oh duh of course. cuz capacity should be around 600kg

[manic latch]

Yup

How many it drops in AL?

Maybe it relates to that

Don't have the plane yet

[slate blade]

6x100lb but it's probably out of hardpoints

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/L0tu4WiG34U

[manic latch]

You know what i wonder more?

Westland Wyvern dropping 4 torps in AL

I thought she could do only 1

[slate blade]

heh the only torp bomber that can carry more than 1 torp is skypirate i think. ryuuseis, barracudas, swordfish, avengers etc should only have 1. torps are heavy

[tough quail]

yeah pretty much every TB is buffed in AL

but thats just because torps are way less deadly than irl

[somber knoll]

And dive bombers in AL are kinda nerfed, especially for late game

then there's Tenrai's gigachad buff

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[tough quail]

bomb damage calcs are super borked

which is why helldivers were best for a million years

blessed hakuryu taking the uggo bomber away

[somber knoll]

not to mention

s l o w

[tough quail]

i will never forgive heckdivers for being better than btds

they're so much cooler and gooder

[manic latch]

Destroyer II can carry 2 as i know

While Skypirate 4

[humble mulch]

I think it’s also done that way

Cause you don’t send only 3/3/2 planes at shit

Either you make them send a bunch of correct planes, or less buffed as hell planes

[manic latch]

TU-91 for UR torpedo bomber

[manic latch]

Stalin: ok we can build CVS now

Soviets: Starts developing planes for CVS

Khrushchev: Damn this is ugly af

project dies since Khrushchev called it ugly and thinks CVS are American weapons that's only useful for them

[somber knoll]

but you know something as cool?
Jet Corsairs

[tough quail]

b a s e d

[dapper parcel]

we need to expand our available means of confetti delivery

[humble mulch]

What the fuck is that

[dapper parcel]

Type 3 bomb

you bomb other aircraft, in the air, using bombers

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[manic latch]

Soviet vision of future

[tough quail]

alright honey its time to take a ride in our flying egg

[manic latch]

Doomer Buran post

[slate blade]

both expanse and lost fleet use grapeshot in space

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

While you were handloading, I studied the blade

[tough quail]

for when the sword hellfire isnt dumb enough

[maiden citrus]

now just make it rocket propelled

[spring briar]

Well since it is base bleed it is technically rocket propelled

[tough quail]

is this what brain hemorrhaging feels like

[maiden citrus]

we have reached an apex

I'm unsure how to make it better, maybe a flame paint job

[spring briar]

When you drop the shampoo bottle in the shower on your foot

[tough quail]

is-7 the most powerful of battleships

the real soyuz replacement

[maiden citrus]

I just heard the tom and jerry scream

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

what shell is this supposed to be

[spring briar]

Yamato’s 460

[tough quail]

yeap thats definitely completely accurate

[spring briar]

You can tell by the cute nose under the AP cap

[tough quail]

ebin decapping maymay

[spring briar]

Looked pretty intact but its a japanese fuse so

Knock on wood

That might be a successful pen and det

[tough quail]

fair shout

[spring briar]

Maybe not

That base slap seemed pretty hectic

Knowing ijn shells it might’ve exploded then and there

[manic latch]

Now do it with Montana

[spiral cedar]

Ah, the classic “below waterline hit to the Class B lower belt without being slowed at all by water” hit

[manic latch]

Zum chilling in San Diego

[spiral cedar]

(also still has the ballistic cap attached underwater for some reason)

[shrewd pecan]

now draw her with actual BMD capability and hypersonic missiles

[spring briar]

Exactly

Someone must’ve informed space battleship yamato that iowa was in Drydock

[unborn wyvern]

I love how angry she looks

[unborn wyvern]

Amazingly accurate

[static delta]

Bonjour

I ain't been here for a while lol

[spring briar]

Where krem

[static delta]

Idk

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

...

[spring briar]

Hi phoe

[static delta]

I've been busy with war thunder, finding out about how accurate tanks are

[spring briar]

What up

[static delta]

I found out the otswind II didn't exist, neither did the tiger 2 with a bigger gun

Panther II did but not the turret and Pak 88

[manic latch]

Forgetting Coelian as well huh

[static delta]

I'm doing the ones that existed in war thunder

The only one out of the deleted German tanks is the maus

I forgot the company that made it

[manic latch]

Porsche?

[static delta]

Ye

Porche did it

Porsche*

They were the only ones who did it in the weight that was allowed for a heavy tank

[static delta]

?

[spring briar]

Exactly

Ded

@manic latch remember that 500mm soviet gun you told me about?

[manic latch]

Ye

[spring briar]

Found it

[manic latch]

.... are you sure that's 500mm

[spring briar]

Yes

100%

[manic latch]

So it's not a naval but land gun?

[spring briar]

It’s a howitzer

[manic latch]

now it makes sense

Goes to collection

Thanks

[spring briar]

the specialists of the Artillery Scientific Research Institute in 1937 conducted a thorough analysis of the options for railway artillery installations with howitzers of 450. 475 and 500 mm caliber.

From the caliber of 475 mm in the end was refjected. There were two options left - 450 and 500 mm. And although it was believed that the 450-mm howitzer would have the best ballistic characteristics, a 500 mm caliber gun was considered more universal. This view was supported by the fact that the action on concrete for all howitzers was assumed to be the same, but the action on the ground should have been better for a 500-mm howitzer. As a result, she was given preference.

450 mm my beloved

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

So the whole 500 mm naval gun stuff is pretty much fake

[manic latch]

Guess largest naval gun Soviets build will remain 406mm/50

[loud comet]

is italy in ww2 really out from axis and join allied?

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[manic latch]

1943 ye

[desert agate]

Italy declared war on the Allies in 1940 under Mussolini's desire to expand Italian colonial holdings and occupy parts of France and gain hegemony over the Mediterranean
in 1943 the Western Allies launched an invasion of the Italian mainland, and after a significant bombing campaign, the king and the Italian government deposed Mussolini, joining the Allies, with the Northern half of the country becoming a German puppet under Mussolini (until his death) and the South remaining loyal to the government, igniting the Italian civil war which would last until the end of the war in Europe

[spiral cedar]

Almost as good as my answer

[tender monolith]

lol

[desert agate]

jaba is naturally the alpha of the channel

and thus his answers are evidently superior

[strong plank]

defeated male leaves

[tender monolith]

lmfao

[maiden citrus]

[desert agate]

hang on ill improve it

[shrewd pecan]

the two extremes

[somber knoll]

The Sigma historian grindset

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-brian-baumgartner-kevin-malone-few-words-waste-time-gif-4759685

[humble mulch]

Wait no

[maiden citrus]

didn't someone get warned/banned for chad

[humble mulch]

Hit sadly you must remove you funny meme

Yeah

Peepee bulges aren't allowed

[maiden citrus]

only booba

sexist

[strong plank]

we truly live in a society

[maiden citrus]

susiety

[humble mulch]

Boobas of
Ummm most varieties are allowed as long as there aren't nipples

[maiden citrus]

yeah I know, I have yet to be banned for possessing two myself

[humble mulch]

I'd meme but I don't actually wanna scare anyone who has a extra nipple lmao

[strong plank]

no dogs allowed

[humble mulch]

Damn right

Especially small dogs

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

i always thought that was his ass

tbh

[desert agate]

Literally 1984

[frigid karma]

no pr ships

no chad

reee

[desert agate]

Wdym

What

[exotic scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JmV3YxELZ0

How can you use the power of a square in naval warfare

[frigid karma]

aggressively cross the T

[frigid karma]

imagine

you're admiral rozhestvensky

Togo crosses your T

you turn 90 degrees to port, but he has crossed your T there too

you're stuck in a square

[eternal veldt]

Using a square formation in sailing sounds like a glorious invite to either torpedo hits or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_HMS_Victoria

This massive shitshow.

[fierce sparrow]

Ohman... idk what to say about this but LUL

[junior trench]

Is this the part where I mention that only the Leo 2A7 and beyond have better than 1st gen thermals

And they're an extreme minority

[spring briar]

I want pictures of the ARL-44's 90 mm APC

not the blueprint ofc

[manic latch]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/french-navy-warns-aukus-nuclear-submarine-plan-will-be-much-more/101280638

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

Are they(France) salty about the whole Nuclear sub to Australia thing going?

[spring briar]

always

[manic latch]

I mean. Imagine suddenly losing 90 Billion $ project

Ain't low ammount of money at all

[burnt haven]

when your modern western tank has comparable optics to Russian equipment

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

T-72 with French 155mm

[spring briar]

yes

how did this come to be

[manic latch]

Trials in India. They also used the British 155mm

[spring briar]

I see

[manic latch]

T-72 also used Thales for thermal optics

[spring briar]

oui oui

[manic latch]

France Fren

[spring briar]

give me that emote

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

now

[manic latch]

No

[spring briar]

why not

I let you in my server

[manic latch]

Don't worry my server is only for me

For emojis

[spring briar]

wow

ok then

[manic latch]

[alpine onyx]

The Soviets only take tech, they don't share

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Nah I dont want Richel to get CATSAA sanctions

[spring briar]

say, sirene

do you want richie emotes

or
you should make a scharn/gneis emote server

[alpine onyx]

Are they cute?

[manic latch]

Yes

[alpine onyx]

If it's cute n wholesome, I take

[spring briar]

<-- I made these

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

and this

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Fine I will let you in
But must delete some sekrit documents first

[spring briar]

blyat

I understand

Sirene having a bit of fun riding a 380mm shell

[dapper parcel]

...
is that guy fingering a shell?

[silver crest]

[spring briar]

nah that's just a tool

[manic latch]

Based PLAN

[spring briar]

[burnt haven]

PLAN

[burnt haven]

So was the Graf Spee expected to return home to Germany?

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/lZeTc3SMZpM

[hollow wind]

A random American sub on a 34 minute session of convoy raiding :

[hollow wind]

I saw a video related to this but didn’t watched it

[desert agate]

the French naturally will remain salty about the cancellation of the Attack Class submarine

they will also remain salty in the knowledge that they only have themselves to blame

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812659131550007297/953928448789852201/cringe-guy-1.gif

[desert agate]

riche you can ride me if you want

[humble mulch]

Do you identify as a Sential tank? Those are pretty cramped

Also richy
What was the logic behind the fuck all long Char 2

I got the stl file for it and it's literally to big for 80% of all of my fucking printers

[desert agate]

not until you print it for me

i fixed it for you tea

[spring briar]

trenches

[spring briar]

I will destroy you bb

[humble mulch]

Pin you can't post that

[desert agate]

c'mere then

[desert agate]

what

[humble mulch]

Oh

[desert agate]

im not pin

tea you absolute muppet

[humble mulch]

Damn right

Idk if a censored one is actually acceptable but put them in tanks

[chilly osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[humble mulch]

Dude on the left in a panther, Chad in a Bob semple

[desert agate]

ugh i cant be bothered

[humble mulch]

Understandable

[desert agate]

i just finished work

like

my level of fucks is just

[humble mulch]

[desert agate]

not

[humble mulch]

Understandable

[desert agate]

print me my sentinel

[humble mulch]

Bet

[desert agate]

based

[humble mulch]

Shipping will be fucked tho

[desert agate]

its fine i'll pay it

i get paid on wednesday

[humble mulch]

Most international I've done with an oder is pureo Rico

[desert agate]

just gimme a quote and ill see what i can do

[humble mulch]

France

What in the bloody fuck

[alpine onyx]

They did want her to return to Germany, which would've been possible until the British caught up to her and engaged her at River Plate. The second the British identified her the chances of her making a successful return dropped to zero.

[dapper parcel]

Hey, it's interwar, anything goes

[burnt haven]

Even before the River Plate the Home Fleet would have just intercepted them

There was no French or Norwegian base so they would either have to self sustain themselves or somehow run across the North Sea

[humble mulch]

Wasn't she literally designed for exactly that tho

[alpine onyx]

The Deutschlands had absurd range, so as long as she would be undetected and unidentified she'd be fine

[humble mulch]

Yeah
Endurance was their entire thing

[alpine onyx]

Also they did do underway refuelling at several occasions

And I just want to point out, saying that the Home fleet would "just intercept her" implies that they would know exactly when she is where

Because the ocean is large, and the ship is tiny

[dapper parcel]

That the brits would even commit Home Fleet against her wasn't a given anyway

[alpine onyx]

And Spee's track record of using radar to avoid getting intercepted was quite good

Scheer would pull off a successful return to Germany through the Denmark strait one and a half years later, after five months on sea. Spee doing that in late 1939 or early 1940 sounds fairly reasonable, as long as she's not misfortunate enough to run into some cruiser along the way

[burnt haven]

Ah okay

[spring briar]

[terse tinsel]

Yes misour, we must have two turrets for maximaum destruction

[spring briar]

Monsieur

[terse tinsel]

My apologies

Despite being partly French I can’t spell the words at all

[remote monolith]

damnation

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/28/gorgosaurus-77-million-year-old-dinosaur-skeleton-sells-over-6m

another valuable fossil fell to private collection

[dapper parcel]

at least it wasn't ground into powder for TCM

[remote monolith]

believe me this is basically just as bad

private collections usually never ever leave its buyers hand and won't be accessible to anyone else

so it might as well be grounded to powder

in another, more positive news https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/world/t-rex-true-king-of-dinosaurs-scn/index.html

Torosaurus style crisis averted for the T.rex

[tough quail]

thats weirdly

cheap, compared to what i expected

[humble mulch]

Probably cause the economy
But now it’s more reasonable for me to buy a stegosaurus

[tender monolith]

yeah

[humble mulch]

I’m not a fuck wit tho and could let researcher use it and have a cast made

Get my name on a placer in their building or something

[remote monolith]

fossils are always generally below 5 millions even for complete specimens in costs

the outliers are the T.rex Stan which sold for 31 million and this guy

and Stan was an exceptional specimen

because it's a nearly complete fossil of a particularly big rex

[tough quail]

its just fucking bizarre to me that there;s like

a few cars more valuable than even stan

[remote monolith]

I guess something that's pretty much just a bunch of funny shaped rocks doesn't exactly get sky high prices

plus it's a net negative in the long run since you're paying maintenance for something that's not generating revenue at all

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586214066352029707/1002570541129027675/unknown.png

[dapper parcel]

I'm pretty sure that those "military news" channels are autogenerated content

[spring briar]

battlemace 40 million

[tender monolith]

isn't that just steampunk shit

[spring briar]

it kinda looks like a battleship form wh40k

[dapper parcel]

these kind of channels use ridiculous thumbs for shock factor, and clickbait

[frigid karma]

sava the monitor

[spring briar]

never knew this existed

[tough quail]

close, fantasy has one thats pretty similar

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586216580463984650/1002643094400938004/unknown.png

[spring briar]

vive l'empéreur

these are cuirassiers, no?

[spiral cedar]

Yeh

1913

[spring briar]

love the aesthetic

[spiral cedar]

It’s possible some of them lived to see the moon landing

[spring briar]

thank god it works

[spiral cedar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver-Eating_Johnson

His [Minister for War Messimy's] project to clothe him [the French soldier] in gray-blue or gray-green raised a howl of protest. Army pride was as intransigent about giving up its red trousersas it was adopting heavy guns. Army prestige was at ince felt to be at stake. [...] To banish "all that is colorful, all that gives the soldier his vivid aspect," wrote Echo de Paris, "is contrary both to French taste and military function." [...] a former War Minister, M. Etienne, spoke for France.
"Eliminate the red trousers?" He cried. "Never! Le pantalon rouge c'est la France!"

[exotic scarab]

Isn't that a 40k collab from some boat game

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586627596884901898/1002659542120796250/unknown.png

[tender monolith]

lmao

[tough quail]

that's a really good bit

the station-keeping bit really fucking knocks it out

[fierce sparrow]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1552995930751762433.html

❓

Okay... I found several flaws in this twitter post thread.

[spring briar]

[somber knoll]

Diesel powah

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/JUq0QPnNs4M

[shrewd pecan]

if I remember correctly

South Korea has its own gun in the K-2

KMWs just mad Poland is dropping its Leopard 2 fleet for abrams and K-2

tho they did bring that upon themselves

[subtle prawn]

https://youtu.be/ekwVnus6g10

[spring briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5xBRxanHnI

sigh

[alpine onyx]

Oh hey, they made that updated Yamato vs Scharnhorst vid

As expected

[spring briar]

hey look

it completely fucked the so called impervious homogeneous armor

what a surprise

even without the correct physics

[alpine onyx]

Don't think anyone was surprised, poor thing was never meant to face such shells

[spring briar]

but dunkek turret roof with homogeneous would've been perfectly fine yes?

[alpine onyx]

When hit with such a shell?

[spring briar]

when hit with a 381mm shell

at a similar range and angle

(top: 381mm APC)
(bottom: Dunkek roof plate)

gotta double check the angle

gmm

@alpine onyx

behold

seconds before disaster

[manic latch]

Is she using experimental ejection seat or something?

@spring briar

[spring briar]

i

what shells

[manic latch]

Up to you

What would French develop for their latest technology

[spring briar]

drone shells

idk

[dapper parcel]

where's the hangar?

also what's the point of keepout circles if the barrels stick out of it

[spring briar]

in the magazines duh

[dapper parcel]

you don't need hangar if every aircraft are loitering munitions(?!)

[spring briar]

you don't need a hangar if your shells are the planes

[manic latch]

Varyag

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/zhukov-gif-20082782

[lean rapids]

Bless that man's grandchildren

this pic brings a tear to my eye

[spring briar]

Pierre Recobre was a French stretcher-bearer who fought in WWI for its entirety, from August 1914 until the very end of the war in November 1918.

He fought with the 339th Infantry Reg., volunteering for every single operation it was involved in.

His commanders had described him as being “daring to the point of temerity”, risking his life to save the lives of countless wounded, despite himself having been wounded so many times himself, the medical staff lost track.

Recobre had always put the well-being of his comrades above his own safety and beyond his 30 decorations for valor, his mustache was his most prized possession.

[lean rapids]

[spring briar]

My great grandpa on my dad's side also fought the whole 4 years

being shot thrice

but returning every time

[tough quail]

absolute lad

[fierce sparrow]

too many medals

[manic latch]

Armies passed to ribbon focus for a reason

But I still prefer medals

Ribbons look weak

[tough quail]

they just kind of look weird when they become cubes like that

[tender monolith]

don't most medals have both a less formal ribbon and a more formal medal

not all maybe but a lot

[fierce sparrow]

[manic latch]

🎖️

[spring briar]

Having a turtleback is just admitting your belt is gonna get penned

[remote monolith]

no offense to actual turtles and tortoises presumably

[spiral cedar]

Having subdivision is just admitting your TDS is gonna get breached

[exotic scarab]

Wait those are medals?

I've been wondering what those odd stripes on the af uniforms were

[tough quail]

just do what i did and make the turtle back as thick as an actual belt

[spring briar]

[dusty kraken]

make the turtleback thicker than the main belt for deception

[tough quail]

310/210mm deck yeehaw

[spring briar]

Listen

Just don’t build the ship

[tough quail]

did i ever show you that weirdo boat richy

[spring briar]

No

[spiral cedar]

HMS Bulwark right

The one that can bounce Bismarck from 0 to 37000 yards I think

[spring briar]

Show it to me hon

[manic latch]

Better idea

Adaptable belt with hydraulics

When enemy is at close range. Belt gets into sloped armor

But space would be a big issue

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Ok here

What if like

They angle the belt as how you wish it

While holding the whole belt

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

This was never considered before right?

[spring briar]

Does the deck also extend

Or do you just fill the gap with political dissidents

[tough quail]

its

[spring briar]

Dont say flexible

[tough quail]

janky, but you could probably make it sort of work

[spring briar]

Please

[manic latch]

Dude how will you move the deck. This is just for belt armor

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

you'd presumably just use a full length deck and then kind of tuck it underneath when the belt slopes inward

and just have this weird double layer zone

[manic latch]

Ye

[spring briar]

Or you use an accordeon deck

[tough quail]

the biggest issue is making the hydraulics actually like

survive impact

because the shock of shell hits is going to be nightmarish

[manic latch]

Maybe can find solutions with firing tests

[spring briar]

Hydraulics are kinda good at that

[manic latch]

Ye they push hard

[spring briar]

Since liquids under pressure and stuff

[tough quail]

you know, thats fair

[manic latch]

Wait...

Can they also become anti torpedo armor?

Since you already fill the belt with liquid

What if you put hydraulics just near the belt

Warhead explosion now has to push both hydraulics and liquid inside

[spring briar]

101 how to die

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

seems like something that would just constantly break and be expensive additional complexity you don't really need

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

I support it

Seems as crazy as some of the stuff I make

[tough quail]

maka knows whats up

batshit insanity is always worth it in the pursuit of invincibility

[maiden citrus]

precisely

[spring briar]

Indeed

[spring briar]

Maka

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Did they add aerodynamic features to an old shell

[spring briar]

That is not an old shell

Sadly

Internals correspond to 11” from 30’s

[spiral cedar]

That's

Wow

[spring briar]

For example

88mm panzergranate 39 has the same style of cap

[spiral cedar]

No? Top image has a cap that doesn't extend across the full caliber width

[spring briar]

I mean as in it being a cone with a flat cone on top

[spiral cedar]

Looks like barely over half caliber

Yeah I don't mind the shape

It's the size

[spring briar]

Yea

It is a common shape used in the army

The shell itself being fired by the Morser 18

[spring briar]

Jaba..

[manic latch]

Russian Navy Day soon
🍰

Soviets didn't cared much about it tho some reason. Maybe because of being Empire tradition

They removed the celebrations in 1980

But after collapse. It came back in 2017

[spring briar]

It’s mainly anti concrete btw

Another version

[spiral cedar]

I wonder how caps interact with concrete

[spring briar]

While concrete doesn’t really erode caps like cemented steel would, it does knock them off

If thick enough

Shell might actually be more Czech than german

From ballistic test I’ve seen with concrete as thick as the armor added in front of the armor itself, it didn’t really change the penetration much since it kept the AP cap in one piece despite some damage to it
So the AP cap is definitely handy to protect the nose of the shell for an anti concrete shell
But not that necessary if the nose is thick enough either

[spiral cedar]

Yeah, was thinking, for a given weight of shell, is one piece or capped construction better for anti-concrete

[spring briar]

Capped is always gonna be better at keeping the shell from getting dragged away from the normal of the armor due to forces acting on the nose

But ig cost is a big factor?

Most anti concrete shells have thick conical noses with large fillers

Basically standard base fuze HE shape in a way

[spiral cedar]

Yeh

Which is why a cap seems questionable for anti-concrete work

They usually aren't constructed the way anti-steel shells are, for presumably good reason

[spring briar]

It does seem pretty redundant as long as your shell is sturdy enough and has a thick nose

Hence two versions of the sane shell, one without cap fir standard concrete
The other for more armoured structures like steel bunker turrets

[spiral cedar]

Concrete + steel would give reason to use a cap

[spring briar]

Yah

Maginot line moment

[spiral cedar]

Concrete-steel composite armor

[spring briar]

Very pog of the Czechs

I’m a fan of at least having the option for a niche shell

As long as it doesn’t fuck with logistics

Like

You know

This

[spiral cedar]

Trumpet

[spring briar]

Did produce pretty patterns

[spiral cedar]

👀

[spring briar]

Those two on the right are shells

Blessed

[tender monolith]

c o n e

[spring briar]

These better be flying very slow

[rapid junco]

Searching through Google Images, i was able to find a picture of Lt. Possolo's grave at Ocklynge cemetery in East Sussex

Well
Maybe i shouldn't use Glowow emoji

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Soyuz's evolution

Honestly Soviet Union should have build the second one

46k tons. 200k hp engine. 9 406mms

Soyuz going 65k Tons was too much for Industry

Max weight that is

[manic latch]

I love how First one just screams Italy

[spring briar]

The third one is heinous

[manic latch]

Shortest one ye

[spring briar]

Also

That dunkerque ss on the second one

[manic latch]

It's design Vladivostok based upon

[spring briar]

Type A battleship nyah

[manic latch]

Yus

Type A turned to Soyuz

Type B uhhh cousin? Of Kronshtadt

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

It's like how Kuznetsov and Fujian is related

By core let's say

[spring briar]

Hmmm

Every soviet project is kinda related

[manic latch]

Big ass bow? Check

Low stern for hangar? Check
Low bridge? Check
Big mast? Check

Radar or a device on top of the bridge? Check

[spring briar]

Well the designers were just moved to the new project after all

[manic latch]

Kinda. Everything is based on something

Usually

[spring briar]

Ok so identify these shells

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

they go boom

[spring briar]

Black one is a soviet 305mm solid steel practice round which does not go boom
Two white ones are Swedish 283mm AP shells from Sverige

[ivory ridge]

yeah that's what i said

[spring briar]

Scholar undy

[manic latch]

Soviet 533 mm (21") 53-38
Design started in 1936 after the failure of the 53-36 torpedo. Based on the Italian 533 mm torpedo bought from Fiume in 1932. Main Russian torpedo of World War II.

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Italy Fren

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273147912387559428/742599766416031864/image0-2.gif

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Wait...

[manic latch]

Ah Wargaming is damn smart when they wish to

Of course Soyuz's A hull use the British Type 281 Air Radar

And her B hull is using uhhh British Type 291?

[spring briar]

9x39 makes me blush

[manic latch]

F-22

[manic latch]

Fuck yes. Y-20U "tanker variant" is here

Now time to wait for Y-20 AEW

[manic latch]

Yo Rich

Fcas's future looks grim

France may go for Super Rafael

Currently all Rafaels will be upgraded to F4 model

So instead going for F5 in future. Could go for Super instead

Can add stealth design to make the plane Fifth gen

[spring briar]

[static delta]

E

[shut wren]

Yes,the Fujian is related to the Shandong,Which is related to the Liaoning,which itself is a Kiev class

[manic latch]

No

Liaoning is Varyag

Who is sister of Kuznetsov

She is Kuznetsov class

[shut wren]

😭 Historical error on my part

[tough quail]

three thousand years dungeon

[shrewd pecan]

anyways now to break the China posting bubble, have the issues with their new rifle

[frigid karma]

ah, the keyholing at 10ft

jokes aside

it's because there's a wall right behind it

[strong plank]

the holes seem to indicate that they went into the paper that way though

not bc they ricocheted off the wall and went back in

[shrewd pecan]

from the discussion sent to me regarding it

it generally does seem to be keyholing it since the target does not seem to be striking it from the otherside

issues probably perfectly fixable

so it will probably be resolved eventually just thought it was interesting how a blatant issue is being shared in propaganda

[spiral cedar]

the Bismarck class was sometimes referred to a super battleship due to its reputation for being very well protected

[frigid karma]

ig you could call it a super dreadnought

[eternal veldt]

But you'd fall into the slippery slope of calling Bismarck merely a modernized Bayern.

Which is not the case.

[tough quail]

yeah that would imply she was modern

[frigid karma]

a modern bayern in that she's a bayern, but in the modern age

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/yYwhL2Veh6w

[manic latch]

I think J-35 has larger wings now. Better for carriers

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1553519609361342472?s=20&t=x_zkx4fMGEqwi2meqR4KMQ

Aust War Memorial (@AWMemorial)

#OTD 105 years ago, the third battle of Ypres, also known as the battle of Passchendaele, began. Australian infantry involvement began on 20 September 1917 at battle of Menin Road. In eight weeks of fighting Australian forces incurred 38,000 casualties. https://t.co/FFrZ2O6MWY

Likes

117

Twitter · Jul 30, 2022, 11:15 PM

[manic latch]

95th anniversary of the founding of the People's Liberation Army

[shut wren]

But why navy pic,should be tanks or something,they held a march at that square which totally nothing happened at

[manic latch]

Because ships are better

[shut wren]

Fact

[shrewd pecan]

[shut wren]

That carrier is older than most of the mfs here

[manic latch]

Like Most Nimitz sisters yes

Youngest Nimitz is George Bush

Launched in 2006

Should serve till 2046

[manic latch]

Ohh I get it

2045 plan of America speaks of 12 Carriers

10 Ford is planned however

So that 2 other carrier could be Ronal Reagen and Bush

But the problem is they will already be 40 years old till that time

Hmm

Damn I didn't realized

Nimitz is 50 years old

She is the oldest Carrier in service

[manic latch]

Oh yeah gotta be. Nimitz class life span is 50 years

Two last Nimitz will retire in 2050s

[chilly osprey]

Keep in mind, PLA = the entire armed forces