game-feedback

[paper idol]

[gusty rapids]

they're giving us 6k, not 1k

[weak pilot]

aight drop the 2-1 discussion, since it just bring bad discussion there's no reason for keep talking about it

[teal hatch]

[stoic kettle]

kek

[gusty rapids]

if you searched up a level 89 account, that's not me

[fluid grotto]

first day event frame, letsgo?

[past steeple]

so you're a lvl9 account then?

[gusty rapids]

Also not me

[eternal bronze]

yeah definitly a good feature

[stoic kettle]

first second of event ships lvl 125 lets gooo

[bronze elk]

i was referring to the 1k/maintenance actually, but even then 6k for a one-off isn't actually much when you consider the average costs of "playing normally"

[eternal bronze]

im tired of spending a whole week leveling up ships

[gusty rapids]

not sure what you mean by oil income, oil income increased with the canteen update

[stoic kettle]

you can hold over 8.000.000 XP in books at any time, even with the 3000 book limit

[gusty rapids]

2-1 was never oil neutral, it was just a way to convert oil into coins
this makes it cost more but it still was a net negative

[high pond]

Getting ships to max enhance is the "grind" now

[fluid grotto]

mod said to drop that

[hardy kindle]

bombz just give into the meme and say that you're a lv9 player that's finished w13 and is a wiki contributor

[paper idol]

So the game is moving to incentivise, lazy play, 1 hour play, thats your choice, lets see how it reflect on the number a few months down the road

[bronze elk]

I'm not going to detract into an argument on 2-1 with you here so i'll just drop it

[gusty rapids]

a level 9 player who got bunker hill on camera a year and a half ago

[fluid grotto]

#trophy-room

[paper idol]

If there is anything you guys care about , it is your number right, it will reflect the consequences of this update decision

[raw quest]

wtf is going on? mod, create a new channel for this discussion

[gusty rapids]

also wiki contributor just means I have an account on the wiki, it doesn't actually mean I contribute
although I do

[zealous finch]

going the genshin route by removing any incentive for late-game players to keep playing and instead 1. do dailies 2. wait for event 3. pull gacha 4. repeat

big yikes

[weak pilot]

if you see someone cheating just report instead of accusing people, that would be better

[past steeple]

yeah, that's exactly what's gonna happen after this update

[sinful cloud]

Somebody else gets it, ty

[eternal bronze]

it was aways like this

[past steeple]

i thought the game encourages people to spend more time in the game so they can make more money, huh, how times change

[gusty rapids]

idk that sounds like a lot of fearmongering
the devs have been scrambling to fix bugs, which is more than you can say with genshin for months
would it have been nice for them to already have been fixed when maint ended? yea, but, at least they're fixing the live game I suppose

[sinful cloud]

Spend more time with everything being time gated

[bronze elk]

canteen oil doesn't count for much if you're already swiping oil to begin with, unless you're talking login warrior levels of play

[frail plank]

Can’t wait for genship impact

[paper idol]

But this game dont make money the more time you spend in it, it makes money when you buy stuff from the gem shop

[worldly linden]

Is it better if I bring up 1:1 concerns tomorrow

[zealous finch]

for the average player, maybe.

[gusty rapids]

canteen oil and commissions are the majority of your oil income for almost all players

[hardy kindle]

probably, rn it's just 2-1 vs no 2-1. With weird claims like playtime=money made for devs

[gusty rapids]

it's not like it's just "swipe for oil" or "login warrior" with no in between

[gusty rapids]

what's up with 1:1? what changed about it

[worldly linden]

Ok thanks, ill pop by tmrw

[frail plank]

Literally nothing changed about 1:1

[fluid grotto]

lvl 10-12 canteen is only like extra 114 oil/day rofl

[frail plank]

They’re probably going to rant about oil or something

[bronze elk]

dunno why this became a discussion about me, but consider myself the 1% and move on with it. how does removing oil from retiring ships help with oil income?

[worldly linden]

Id like at least lv 1 to have oil retire back cause 16% to 30% playtime reduction

[gusty rapids]

what does this have to do with 1:1

[worldly linden]

And oil cost increase for events

3 oil lv 1 retire for 20 cost fleet?

[frail plank]

That’s why we have upgraded canteen, more free oil

[gusty rapids]

if you're referring to the map 1-1 then this is the exact same discussion as the 2-1 map

[worldly linden]

1:1 fleet event maps like c2 or d3 if you can

[gusty rapids]

it's the same complaint

[paper idol]

Not enough to offset this

[eternal bronze]

yeah removing oil from retiring sounds definitly a problem

[frail plank]

What a shame

[gusty rapids]

nothing changed about 1:1

[eternal bronze]

i can understand that

[hardy kindle]

I think they just mean if they're low oil event farming they just want to retire the ships that drop immediately and squeeze out more runs

[fluid grotto]

yep, that's an upgrade, extra 6 oil/hr

[gusty rapids]

even if you're LB0-farming C2 with mahans, and a CVL, you don't make enough from scrapping commons in those scenarios to seriously offset the cost

[worldly linden]

Please read entire thing... 1:1 less gameplay by 16% to 30% depending on fleet comp because you dont get oil refund from retiring drops

[gusty rapids]

scrapping commons in C2 maps doesn't refund that much since you're not doing it with 4-5 oil comps

[bronze elk]

so why can't we have both instead of dropping one and keeping the other? its a flawed argument in the first place really

but i've said my piece so just gonna end off here, no point derailing it further

[gusty rapids]

C2 maps cost enough that you're not recouping enough from scrapping commons to make that much of a difference

[worldly linden]

80 pts a clear for maybe 40k pts total to hit 60k milestone isnt a lot? 3 oil a ship x 500 clears x whatever drop count

[fluid grotto]

still cut the cost regardless, it's add up

[naive cobalt]

bombz, please drop this discussion
you literally just making it go in circles

[worldly linden]

Is essentially same argument for buy/no buy opsi 5k radar

[velvet adder]

i honestly dont see how these books are a bad thing? i mean surely youd have used the exp in the hall anyway regardless, now its just easier to use?

[gusty rapids]

I'm talking about event C2 tho

[fluid grotto]

the argument just the same tho

[gusty rapids]

it's really not though?

[naive cobalt]

it is

[worldly linden]

5k every event 5k opsi etc all add up over a year

[fluid grotto]

yeah, oil scrap bad, not enough to make diffierence yada yada

[worldly linden]

And yes you are running it in circles

[gusty rapids]

keep in mind the 5k opsi is just optional, you don't have to spend it

[fluid grotto]

it's the same

[gusty rapids]

it just unlocks the maps immediately. you can still just clear them

[formal oyster]

Yes and the new retirement is mandatory

[worldly linden]

^

[naive cobalt]

I think every point that people wanted to make about this change has been said

So it doesn't serve any point in terms of actually giving feedback
just arguing who's right

so if you feel it's absolutely necessary to figure it out - take it elsewhere, like DMs

[gusty rapids]

While we're on the topic of numbers, is there any indication that the cogarray income will be higher than 9 per day?

[worldly linden]

Theres a bunch of optional stuff like hitting meta boss 2nd time by yourself (40 oil a hit), opsi radar (5k/mo) that can add up and losing a 1:1 source of oil (which amounts to 16% - 30% if a ship drops and not 0LB minmax) still drastically reduces playtime

[gusty rapids]

outside of the initial surge that's really just not enough tomake any meaningful progress

[gusty rapids]

you don't have to spend the 5k on opsi btw, it just frontloads rewards you get when you clear the maps

[worldly linden]

I just said its optional...

[gusty rapids]

... then don't buy it?

[naive cobalt]

bombz, what did I say?

[gusty rapids]

lemme repeat my question then

Is there any indication that the cogarray income will be higher than 9 per day?
outside of the initial surge that's really just not enough tomake any meaningful progress

[velvet adder]

i think the 5k oil thing should be buffed

i enjoy it but it doesnt cut enough content to really hit the 5k cost

[gusty rapids]

it is kind of lame how it does almost nothing, it feels a bit like a trap

[fluid grotto]

i think your guesss just the same as any other here

[velvet adder]

i feel like it should clear all the zones too

[gusty rapids]

it does, doesn't it?

[naive cobalt]

yes

it gives you all first clear rewards from the map

[velvet adder]

it doesnt clear clear them

thats what i mean like, to safe or whatever its called

[naive cobalt]

oh, I see what you mean

[velvet adder]

theyre still "unexplored" which i mean i have to clear again, anyway

[raw quest]

the 5K oil just give you stats & ability to go to other maps, that's it

[naive cobalt]

feel free to suggest it though belette then

[eternal bronze]

thats for incase you want to farm the stars i guess

[formal oyster]

Seapking of which, could we buy a star for like 5$ ?

[worldly linden]

also not really too sizeable but you're getting ships for retire while doing gacha daily/event and over the course of a year can easily total like 30k+ oil (1 a day, maybe 100-200 pulls an event every month/rerun)

[fluid grotto]

suggestion, pls bring back the old exp cus it's kinda lame when you reach the new lvl cap just after 1 mnts into the game
or idk, more than 5 lvl increase

[velvet adder]

my guess is with the lower exp requirement theyre gonna add 130 at some point

130 was way too much before

[fluid grotto]

i mean, was hype to use my old ship that maxed up, but theyre alr 125 anyway, so that's kinda lame

[nova girder]

People saying it's too easy to reach lvl cap while I'm staring at all the unawakened ships because of money restrictions

[eternal bronze]

its easy when you are a veteran already yes

[fluid grotto]

only exhausted cus most 120 ship alr at 125 to begin with

[eternal bronze]

not that im gonna complain about that tho

[formal oyster]

Even veteran could use a coin income buff. More and more thing cost coins but the ways of getting coins hasn't evolved much in comparison.

[nova girder]

Not gonna lie, I was expecting more than a 100 coin or so bump up from the new raid tiers

[formal oyster]

And since 2-1 isn't as interesting to farm now... It's even worse.

[eternal bronze]

im happy with these new changes, but some things deserves a touch up like the oil being removed from retire, bugs and i expected the new dailys to drop more gold compared to what we had before

[velvet adder]

yeah i thought coins would be like 1500 or so at least

[agile quartz]

The oil from retire being removed was a horrible decision
It cripples low cost farming

[velvet adder]

but theyre still called "numerous" like the lower tier

[fleet harness]

God why the hell are people whining about insignificant shit jesus christ calm down

[agile quartz]

Maybe it's because it's significant
And your being a baby about other people's opinions

[formal oyster]

That's the issue. There are people who see it as insignificant and people who don't. Different way of playing.

[hardy kindle]

The coin economy is gonna get a touch-up. The translated CN/JP message did mention that they're looking into making it more available. EN message doesn't have it for some reason.

[velvet adder]

in 2-1 ships not giving oil is a killer 7-1 i dont think it hit it toooo hard

[formal oyster]

As said above it's like the 5k oil Opsi thing. People think it's blessed, and others think it's madness to buy that thing.

[nova girder]

I hope it means that awakening costs less

[naive cobalt]

It does say that it's going to give more coins.

[velvet adder]

jesus please calm down

Be civil

[fleet harness]

Wow man, rude

[worldly linden]

no insults man this is why argument getting ignored

[velvet adder]

both of you guys imo

[nova girder]

The fact that 120-125 was like 3k but ~115 is 10k is a bit funny

[naive cobalt]

I will mute you if I see an outburst like that again

[worldly linden]

hard to take anyone serious when they just flame you

[formal oyster]

Wont complain though

[hardy kindle]

oh yeah, mb
I EN'd

[paper idol]

[zealous finch]

shimacnny spitting fax

[fluid grotto]

probably cus it's the first tier of new array chip

[hallow tulip]

@paper idol were you born that based or did u get a degree for it

[static stag]

based cunny poster tellin the truth stay mad slackers

[hollow phoenix]

damn how they wrecked my boy 2-1 Any one here to mourn with me

[worldly linden]

Just gonna speak in my position as whale that spending for oil is a lot more expensive than spending for coins (even though both are usually frowned upon in general) and losing out maybe 10k oil an event from not retiring is pretty sizeable loss, especially with scaling oil costs

[fleet harness]

I went through both stages. It was stupid to buy that at first, and then I got a job that requires my constant attention. It's up to you to buy it, or don't. Hence I don't see an issue

[gusty rapids]

text overlapping is more of a bug than a design issue

it's not intended behavior

I'd show it in #bug-reports tbh

[solid canyon]

oversight in design, but gotcha

[velvet adder]

its kinda weird how they dont check these things i mean maybe they do and just dont care

[formal oyster]

I don't see an issue either, as I say it's just a different way of playing. There's no right or wrong.

[gusty rapids]

yea, i just mean ti's not like they chose to overlap text. it's not what it's supposed to look like.

so it's less of a bad decision and more of just a bug

[fluid grotto]

just remove the green text entirely at max lvl cus it doesnt have meaningful information

[formal oyster]

And it should be the same thing for the retirement thing, in my opinion. Except it's not. But I guess we talked enough about this already

[silver cliff]

AL literally went from the most player friendly game on the market to genshin in under 12 hours
thanks china

[fleet harness]

I fail to see how this isn't a bait or me being wooshed

[cloud sable]

alot of the text overlap issues is because the devs originally designed and tested it in chinese (which is more dense than alphabetical languages) and when they get it translated, it breaks because it takes up more space now

[formal oyster]

It's clearly very much exaggerated, but not totally foolish, in a way.

[fluid grotto]

localization team not paid enough to redesign EN client early

probably fixed later anyway

[fleet harness]

It's still one of the most player-friendliest gamed I have played.

[formal oyster]

It still is. Although with more and more of the recent changes, it's natural to be concerned for the future.

[fleet harness]

They just keep making the game easier tho...

[eternal bronze]

the BP is sure concerning but for now its friendly

[fluid grotto]

with all these exp stacked up can 120 event ship first day now

[formal oyster]

Which isn't necessarily a good thing ? Although it would be a whole discussion by itself, not really the best place to do it

[silver cliff]

a 120 yesterday + 3000 gold = 125 today
no grinding necessary, just a 3000 gold tax to have the exact same thing that i had yesterday. now multiply that by 100 for all my ships and they just scammed me for 300,000 gold to give me nothing back

[unreal sage]

I don't really find anything concerning (even the increase in Level cap is fine with me) outside of the lecture hall revamp.

[fleet harness]

Yeah, but that's not an issue of player friendliness at this point

[fluid grotto]

not exactly, you have 125 ship now

[sinful cloud]

Shame they dont have a test server for the players but then again they wouldnt probably listen to feedback cause money comes anyway

[fleet harness]

Also I have a hard time calling it a Battle Pass. It's just a discount lucky bag in a mini event format

[formal oyster]

Also, player friendliness would need to be defined. Some changes are more friendly towards more casual players, but hurtful to more hardcore players who grind a lot

[silver cliff]

all they did is change the scale. the xp and time investment for 120 and 125 is basically the same, only the cost is different. its a tax and nothing more

[eternal bronze]

im not casual but i sure do welcome the XP change

[fleet harness]

I mean, leveling to 125 now is the same as leveling to 120 before, exp wise

[fluid grotto]

lvl 128 boss is significantly easier now, thats an upgrade

[silver cliff]

everything in the game was equally easy before

[fleet harness]

and you don't need to 125 every ship you own, so it's much faster in the end

[eternal bronze]

grinding is less time required

and they gonna add a new corrosion lvl in OP S

[fluid grotto]

kinda true

[eternal bronze]

W14

[fluid grotto]

yeah they need to add more end game content

[formal oyster]

I don't mind it, nor the book Xp. I just wish they would at least not nerf the retirement in response to their own oversight. We're basically paying for devs mistakes, I don't really like it.

[velvet adder]

im not sure how the new lecture hall is a problem can someone explain to me a pepeg how it is one

[fleet harness]

Me neither

[eternal bronze]

i don't see how this is bad

[hardy kindle]

grinding garbage for fleet tech is easier, unless there's someone that thinks fleet tech should be limited to "hardcore players hurrdurr"

[median schooner]

17

[sinful cloud]

Its the same as before, still takes a liver to upgrade

[fleet harness]

Upgrading is done once

[fluid grotto]

it just like 30k

[velvet adder]

yeah i had like 180k before im used to running 10 hours twice a day

everyone should be like me

[fluid grotto]

do long comm and save up

[sinful cloud]

When they start to cost more than a PR(we know how good that system is) I dont think its worth doing it even once

[gusty rapids]

yes and no, the content didn't change but having more options relatively speaking makes the content not as hard as it was before if you level things to 125

[fluid grotto]

it's one time upgrade

[formal oyster]

That sums everything up pretty well I'd say

[fluid grotto]

it's the same for the 1% player

[gusty rapids]

if you choose not to awaken to 125 then yes nothing changed about the difficulty
although arguably it still got easier since certain things like CLs and DDs got stat buffs

[silver cliff]

all the content in the game was trivial before today
its trivial today too
nothing changed for an end game player

[gusty rapids]

clevelands have like 110 EVA now, approximately, at level 120

[formal oyster]

Is there a list of said buffs btw ?

[gusty rapids]

not yet

[fluid grotto]

only dd and cl, right?

[velvet adder]

i wonder if its enough to shift tierings some cl are very good

[gusty rapids]

as far as I'm aware yes, and it's mostly an EVA buff

[fluid grotto]

ah, ok

[fleet salmon]

DDs got 50-60ish EVA, CLs - ~15 EVA

[gusty rapids]

most lists dont' tier across hulls so if every CL gets a similar buff it won't change the CL list

[fleet harness]

My takeaway from this channel is that AL should become like AFK Arena gameplay wise and everything should be free

[velvet adder]

oh yeah good call

[fleet harness]

but also it should be dark souls

[solid canyon]

Yes it's not supposed to look like that, but that only works for Chinese and Japanese characters and words. That's why I said it's a design oversight.

[formal oyster]

Can we... stop with Dark souls ?

[gusty rapids]

well an "oversight" implies that there's unintended consequences of a decision
whereas this is just a bug

[fleet harness]

It was...a thing?

[gusty rapids]

but however you want to call it, it's not supposed to look like that, which makes it something that will just get fixed

[velvet adder]

i mentioned dark souls because people were saying the game was way too easy, i mentioned that the game isnt supposed to be dark souls difficulty

[formal oyster]

Unfortunately
And it gets brought up more and more to any kind of game-related discussion nowadays, I pain to understand why
But anyway

[fleet harness]

Because it's a meme stereotype that's supposed to imply high difficulty

[fluid grotto]

game was easy enough and people complaining to make it easier, pretty much that where it comes from

[velvet adder]

its an anime game u control with ur thumb it was never meant to be a hard game, grindy maybe

[formal oyster]

That's what I don't get, these games aren't even difficult.

[reef ginkgo]

all cm ex pvp and meta battle players weep in unison

[sinful cloud]

Let me grind in peace then, no time gates and ill be happy

[velvet adder]

pvp

[fluid grotto]

it isnt, making it more easier just gonna trivialize the game.
might as well play console game

[sinful cloud]

[fleet harness]

For you and me....but most are casuals who find them hard

[sinful cloud]

Well thats gated too, gotta wait for more attempts

[fleet harness]

Time gates are inherent to gacha mobile games

[velvet adder]

i mean some things in the game i think could do better with being streamlined, theres a lot of "needless" grind i would say

[fleet harness]

Except most games have bullshit energy systems cough AP

This channel is hardcore players complaining about changes made to a game that's 90 percent casuals

[eternal bronze]

this

and we are going to get more game end content like W14 and new OP S chapter pretty soon

[fluid grotto]

usually the other way around

[sinful cloud]

Im not against all time gates, some I agree but again whats the purpose of ones like the switching PR ships
Even if you unlocked them all right after maintenance ends, you cant use them properly cause of the """good""" BP system

[fleet harness]

When W14 arrives, it will swap again, trust

[honest ginkgo]

It swaps back and forth ad infinitum depending on what's new

[fleet harness]

All devs have to do to gain money, is release more big tiddy catgirl maids, and yet here we are getting new stuff and QoL changes

I know it's hard to satisfy everyone but all I see is baseless complaining 90% of the time

[slate monolith]

The only downside I see is how the lack of oil for retiring ships, but other than that it's fine so far

[formal oyster]

This. Personally the only thing that bugs me.
Especially considering why it's been nerfed.

[fleet harness]

The 2-1 farmers have taken over

[formal oyster]

It's not even just about 2-1

[fleet harness]

Where else is 5 oil from retiring a common useful?

[formal oyster]

For everything ? Shit adds up

[fluid grotto]

any kind of efficient run, not limited to 2-1

[sinful cloud]

Thing being that some QoL arent what the players complain about
Take the PR "buff" a while back, all they did was change the bps you get from a research not improve it and even CN, thats apparently their go to for feedback, was saying the problem was rng not the number of bps

[fleet harness]

I dunno I use my commons to enhance

[slate monolith]

Sometimes I retire my excess ships just to scrounge for oil if I'm that low

[fleet harness]

hence, can't relate or judge

[formal oyster]

That was the issue of the argument earlier. People just play differently and hence see the game differently.

[fluid grotto]

good approach, but some people who dont just assumming it's irrelevant

despite the oil gain is adding up

[shut harbor]

I'd like it if these little updates actually told us what they were when kicking me out of the game for being out of date

[sinful cloud]

You know how to solve this
Give a test to see how players react before changing anything and actually listen to the feedback given

[fleet harness]

How...do you...test....before changing...?

[sinful cloud]

Test server

[fluid grotto]

test server, but they cant afford that for every minor update

[fleet harness]

God please no

I've seen enough test servers to know it will turn out very messy

[fluid grotto]

just not realistic

[sinful cloud]

They cant afford
Oh but can afford to make unecessary items when old ones do the same crap cough cat finishers cough

Maybe use the money wisely

[fleet harness]

What's wrong with cat finishers

[formal oyster]

Don't even need a test server, but just better test, period.
Retiring nerf came from their oversight on Xp book retiring abuse. They screwed up and we pay for it. And that sucks.

[sinful cloud]

Normal finishers would do the same and nobody runs out of those

Why a new item

[fleet harness]

and yet some people do run out

[ornate basin]

im seeing less feedback and more q&a

[fluid grotto]

they cant afford test server for every minor update, how is that have to do with cat finisher

[ornate basin]

lets try to circle back on track please

[sinful cloud]

Could have at least made it better than 20 minutes per since again its time gated

[fleet harness]

You'd probably only use them on gold cats, and you don't get those every day so it's alright

[velvet adder]

what is xp book retiring abuse i dont understand that

oh sorry kawa

[sinful cloud]

Got 3 the other day, no cat finishers and more normal ones than I can count

[fleet harness]

I had a 200 cat backlog...took me a few days only

[sinful cloud]

I can finish a 6h+ UR ship in an instant with one normal finisher but need a shit load of days to finish a SR cat box

[fleet harness]

This is just complaining about a minor thing again innit

OPS is a mess and we are discussing cat finishers

[sinful cloud]

Depends on what you consider it, I would say that wasting resources making new items for nothing than actually improving PR or OPS is not minor

[fluid grotto]

yeah i dont even use those

[fleet harness]

Probably took them a minute to add those at the very end.

[fluid grotto]

yeah just some side QoL update pretty much

[fleet harness]

We got cat dorms and you're complaining about cat finishers

[hardy kindle]

Almost like fixing major issues is harder than adding minor qol changes

[sinful cloud]

Ngl would be fine if they just put the dorms with no finishers if its to be this excuse of an item

[fluid grotto]

i just dont get why youre complaining about it

[fleet harness]

It probably took them less time to copy the QF code to cats than peopl complaining about a free QoL change

[fluid grotto]

it's just a small qol feature, thats about it

[sinful cloud]

Then why not use the normal ones, no work needed, put the time on smth useful

[fleet harness]

Also I hate the "wasted time argument"

There's more than one dev, you know

[sinful cloud]

Great then put their combined time together

[fluid grotto]

putting that side QoL is not as hard as core game mech

[hardy kindle]

Didn't you know? The dev team handling cats and the art teams on skins are also in-charge of opsi?

[fleet harness]

Damn, this is why there's so much cat stuff in ops

[hardy kindle]

They only hire full stack devs that also have art degrees

[formal oyster]

2nd point

[sinful cloud]

Also "its harder to fix major issues", yeah it is except even then they dont actually improve it and say its fixed

[fleet harness]

oh yeah

read the last point

[hardy kindle]

If you can't use every programming language, write code in binary and draw anime waifus. Yostar won't hire you smh.

[sinful cloud]

Implying theyll read the feedback

[fleet harness]

They won't read this channel

[fluid grotto]

like legit i never use this feature cus how insignificant it is

[fleet harness]

This is why #collected-feedback is a thing. And if it's not upvoted they won't see it as a priority

[velvet adder]

i thought they would just work like actual ship quick finishers dunno why they only skip 20 minutes

[fluid grotto]

it's supposed to be a place to "discuss feedback" before you send them to belfast bot

[fleet harness]

it's as if complaining is easier than doing your part

And you know, EN not being CN

[brittle citrus]

u know u can use more than 1? so enough of it is the same as a quick finish

[hearty crane]

Oh they removed oil entirely? Yeah, should still give some if it doesn't scale... then it's not exploitable anyway so why remove it? Hmmmm.

[sinful cloud]

So not having it would be the same as them not making it for you?

Dont know about you but when anything's like that, something wrong aint right

[velvet adder]

the reason is that people would use the xp books on ships and then retire them for more oil?

[turbid glen]

yeah they removed it entirely

[velvet adder]

kinda seems dumb to me imo

[quick plinth]

do you people have nothing better to do than keyboard warrioring each other?

[hearty crane]

There's a sub daily??? 😉

[sinful cloud]

Atm not really

[fluid grotto]

not using it cus i never bother to, its just some qol stuff

[fleet harness]

Game literally plays itself these days so this is the side effect

[velvet adder]

i mean technically u can get 4 gold plates from it a week, when you get 9 from the plate daily

[fluid grotto]

exploitable by injecting the new exp pack to common ship and retiring them

[velvet adder]

kinda crazy since its the "plate daily"

[fleet harness]

Kinda crazy you get OPS exclusive stuff outside of OPS in a task everyone does anyway, right?

[velvet adder]

i mean, its not like u get a lot from opsi, most are from the guild store cos the amount from opsi is so damn low

[fluid grotto]

still ur main resource

[velvet adder]

lemme just upgrade 1 gear a month

[sinful cloud]

Guess it balances it out since the lvl 65 is better if you are looking to make bidders

[fluid grotto]

u can get more than one gear a month

[fleet harness]

also, you lost oil from retiring, but you got Level 12 canteen and +1000 oil every maintenance

[fluid grotto]

just by clearing stronghold/abyssal monthly

[velvet adder]

its like 400 plates to go from +10 to +13 on a rainbow

[fluid grotto]

360

[velvet adder]

i dont think i get 360 a month

[rich tree]

1 type of plate vs all plates together is not the same thing lol

[fleet harness]

Just upgrade golds instead of rainbows

[fluid grotto]

did you clear all your stronghold/abyssal?

[fleet harness]

Be like me

[velvet adder]

i never bought a single AA gold plate since release

[sinful cloud]

As someone with a +13 wyvern... yeah do golds

[velvet adder]

from guild, so that is completely opsi

675 since release

and i full clear every reset, and use all my AP

[fleet harness]

And since we are on the topic, OPS is just clunky enough for me to skip it half the days

[velvet adder]

675 is all ive gotten in like what? 4-5 months?

to say they give a lot of plates is laughable

i only +13d the new rainbow quad too, so i had similar in torpedo

[formal oyster]

That still doesn't even come close.

[velvet adder]

i do think gold plate income should be buffed

[fluid grotto]

count total amount of plates lol not just one type, it's rng, u can't say just from saying u get less AA plate

[rich tree]

ngl im running out of things to gold plate that are useful

[velvet adder]

thats why i used AA and torp

[fleet harness]

Gold plates are supposed to be endgame stuff

[fluid grotto]

^

[velvet adder]

torp is just +360 so its around the same as my AA

[sinful cloud]

Didnt even bothered with Opsi half the time and have +13 on most I want tbh, if anything buff the purple general plates

[fleet harness]

and here you are just casually flexing almost 2000 general plates

[fluid grotto]

well hardly a flex

[formal oyster]

Or give a purple to gold conversion

[velvet adder]

yeah cos i bought from guild shop which again proves my point that its better to get them from there

[fleet harness]

I'd take gold to purple...

[velvet adder]

since opsi splits between 5 plate types

guild shop gave me around 1500 plates opsi gave me around 3000

[formal oyster]

A conversion would actually make endgame players have something to farm for, rather than just wait for gold plates to come at their abysmal slow rate.

[rich tree]

some endgame players saying it's too slow and some saying theyre almost done

🤔

[fluid grotto]

how long opsi has been?

[formal oyster]

"almost done" can mean different things

[rich tree]

9 full months

[fluid grotto]

trying to count my plates and see avrg number i get/month

[formal oyster]

For some people getting their UR gear +13 is enough, for other they want to +13 every equipped gear.

[fleet harness]

I just want to +10 my aux...

[formal oyster]

And then there's people in between

[rich tree]

idk it's just night and day difference between people in my guild who actually farm opsi vs only buy from guild shop

[fluid grotto]

5.3k plates/9 months
thats around 589 plates/month, including guild

[velvet adder]

yeah but most are split between 5 types

so its like 120 a month which means u cant +13 a gear for 3 months without guild focusing

[fleet harness]

Anyway, I'll see myself out until the next time the meltdown in this channel is so massive, I hear about it in other servers. Have fun complaining

[velvet adder]

i just think they should be a little more plentiful

[rich tree]

isnt that the whole point of guild focusing one plate and the other is scattered

[hearty crane]

They removed that. I mean how is it exploitable if it's a fixed oil value...

[fluid grotto]

if you're talking rainbow then its pretty reasonable to take 3 months for it

120 a month you can +13 one gold, thats pretty good progress

[rich tree]

idk how many rainbows you need at +13 for the rate we get them at as well too

[fluid grotto]

and that just from one type

[velvet adder]

its why i save and dont spend a gear is gonna come out that i wanna max

gold plates are just way too precious

[rich tree]

how many plates is it for 1 gold to 13?

[fluid grotto]

u can get +13 one of each type in avrg with that rate

[rich tree]

120?

[fluid grotto]

120

[velvet adder]

rainbow really pump it up

move down to 240 and refund pls

[hearty crane]

And yes, the guild shop is better for T4 parts than OPSI... and now there's other sources. They're making OPSI Opsolete.

[fluid grotto]

what, u wanna complain cus u cant +13 rainbow easily?

[rich tree]

idk if i want gold plates to become the new purples as well

[velvet adder]

3 months is a lot of time i might die before then

[rich tree]

im pretty indifferent anyway since ill get what i want

[fluid grotto]

ask dev to let us MLB fdg with purin too while ure at it

[velvet adder]

fdg like 30% weaker than nj

[fluid grotto]

hence why they should let us mlb with purin

[velvet adder]

true

[fluid grotto]

cant type

[formal oyster]

The Rng-heavy system we have in place in not so much better. Just on the other side of the spectrum.

[fast cliff]

this 2-1 nerf is a big nerf to oil. we will still farm 2-1 for coins, after all we need a lot of coins for basically everything. also, with the faster leveling we will be spending even more coins, so that's even more 2-1 farming. but now oil is going to be more lacking, and we will have less of it to spend on end game content like stage 14, events etc

[rich tree]

@fluid grotto you have gotten 1560 from guild shop and 3760 from opsi

[frail plank]

Instead of farming 2-1 for 8 hours, go work for 8 hours and whale

Simple solution

[fluid grotto]

thanks for the math

[hearty crane]

So 50% of the long looong time stuffed in OPS you get for free for doing absolutely nothing in the guild. And that's not even including all the other OP stuff in the OP Guild Shop

[fluid grotto]

double the number if you do both

[rich tree]

29.3% comes from guild shop

[fluid grotto]

idk where you going with that logic

so like triple, then

[rich tree]

my number is a bit scuffed since i skipped a month of opsi but still claimed guild plates

mine is 31.2%

[fluid grotto]

31.2% from guild?

[rich tree]

but yea so about the opsi giving little and guild shop giving more is quite incorrect under the assumption that you do run out your ap

yea of the total plates

[fluid grotto]

yeah opsi is major income of plates pretty much

[rich tree]

crazy

[ornate basin]

so whats the feedback being made here right now

[fluid grotto]

i think we're discussing plates gain cus ppl complaining opsi giving too little

[hearty crane]

But that 30% is pushing a button 3 times a day and that 70% is, well, OPS.

[rich tree]

give us more plates basically with no supporting evidence

[fluid grotto]

if u want a progression delayed by 2 months then u can just do the one click stuff

[grizzled rose]

Considering how China’s now going crazy on regulations and crackdowns, does Manjuu have an escape plan or is the game pretty much doomed? Don’t know what other channel i could ask and not get buried

[ornate basin]

so as I thought, this conversation could be moved elsewhere
you can leave your feedback that you think plate gain is enough to combat their claims, but going on a full blown conversation like this back and forth naming ways to do things efficiently, that can move channels

[fluid grotto]

just doing little math as ground argument, but sure can move somewhere else

[ornate basin]

this channel is for feedback, your question cant apply here, there is really nowhere to ask where you will get an answer unfortunately so

[eternal bronze]

like it should be

giving people options to farm things for is the best way

OP S is nowhere near enjoyable

i just did it to get the new stuff that are gears

[teal hatch]

I like the new retirement changes,

[fluid grotto]

give requirement for a ship to be able to receive exp packs
i.e : at least lvl 30 or limit broken once
this way both new exp pack system and the old retirement loot can co-exist without the exploit

[formal oyster]

I think that would go against the purpose of such books, i.e to quickly and easily level up low level ships

I think the best answer would still be to not scale retirement rewards with the level of the ship.

[fluid grotto]

lvl 10 wont be much of hassle

[formal oyster]

Not much of a hassle but it still feels weird and unintuitive to only be able to use at a certain threshold like that, and that's something to take into account in game design.

[fluid grotto]

yeah, it just one way to get around the exploit if people still want to keep the old retirement loot.

[hearty crane]

But the only way people want to keep it so they can use another unintended loop... farming 2-1 for 10 hours for gems at a net profit of coin and oil

[fluid grotto]

that's fair game if people want to do that tho, cost them time and oil in the process

[hollow phoenix]

ok if they nerf 2-1 I will 7-2 pick up farm

you can'T stop me

[ornate basin]

your feedback?

[fluid grotto]

this one

[hollow phoenix]

my feedback is make 2-1 wort farming

[fluid grotto]

?

[fleet salmon]

I'm saying this like 5th time today but 2-1 isn't the only thing affected by retirement change

you regain less oil doing event maps, hard mode maps or just playing any other map in the main campaign, for example while farming a map exclusive drop

It might not seem like much but it adds up

[formal oyster]

It is the most impacted, but yeah retirement is helpful for any kind of low cost farming, or even in general where you still get a slight return on investment for oil.

[fleet salmon]

and they say they only made this change to fight an exploit with xp books which is bs imo blatant bs

[formal oyster]

If it's true it's even worse because that means they're punishing the players for their mistakes. Which sucks big time.

[fleet salmon]

and this happens when at the same time they added a major gold sink

[fluid grotto]

lb1 to be able to boost should be fair enough
exp pack was intended as "lvl jump" feature, lb ing once just means commiting on what ship u wanna boost

[past ridge]

Where are her lines for EN?

[copper nest]

Eating contest is the best minigame ever!

I think retire should at least give lvl 1 oil reward for all levels, it's not much but it's honest oil.. now that I think about it maybe more coins is better because ⬇️

New dailies should give more coins, like really more

That's a lot of coins and oil in one mail coming, I'd love to see them either split up in several mails (less ideal) or ability to get stuff from mail not all at the same time (so I can for example get gems right now but leave coins and oil in mail) or even better! Ability to get only as much resources from mail as we want (either by text/number input or just simple selector like.. idk guild shop (for coins and oil it should increase 500 per tap not by 1 obviously))

That's all 🙂

[hearty crane]

Yeah, so much of my mailcoins are held hostage by oil... and now they'll send even more oil!

[copper bolt]

this is literally what I do anyway for the last 2 years I've been playing AL and ik a lot of my friends do this as well.

does an end game exist in AL? Sort of I guess but I don't think all these new updates are actually that bad

ngl, it's probably the most interested i've been in an update for AL because it's got quite a lot of QoL and "New" stuff

lecture hall update with xp packs was is quite nice, the lecture hall was easily forgettable before but now you can't really miss it -> helps everyone

increased gold/oil generation -> Nice QoL

new levels to daily raids for a bit more gold / resources? -> Pretty nice

[zealous finch]

I think it's quite possibly the worst decision ever made in terms of game design. You can literally get a ship from 0 to 125 without even using her once in battle.

[copper bolt]

lowering the xp requirement? -> epic, you don't need to farm as much anymore so the "oil cost" of getting a lvl 120 is much lower now

more gold from retiring? yes ty

I always used the common ships as enhancement fodder and I still don't have all my ships at max enhance yet after 3 years of playing

[short flume]

You could do that before update, it would just take longer

[copper bolt]

[zealous finch]

I know people that only pretend to play the game are overcapped on oil anyway so yeah it definitely caters to those people, but for the people that actually want to play the game for hours a day, these changes have been nothing but punishing.

[icy prairie]

It's just +6 oil per hour

[copper bolt]

and? It's something. I'm not going to complain about an increase

[zealous finch]

Exactly. And you'd have something you could work towards. Now that purpose to play has been greatly reduced.

[icy prairie]

what can you do with 6 oil per hour

[zealous finch]

Of course not, it's casuals like you that these changes cater towards

why would you complain

I just think its a terrible decision for the overall health of the game.

[sick oak]

Why do people complain over a game where guides play the game for you and your just the bot in-between the guide and the game?

[short flume]

Casuals are going to take up the majority of the playerbase, so it makes sense for most updates to be more focused towards them.

[copper bolt]

btw just wanted to say having the game randomly select ships from your port to be in the lecture hall is really nice

[copper bolt]

yeah exactly, not going to complain about any QoL improvements

[zealous finch]

Yes but there's way to implement changes like these that do not fuck over the more hardcore playerbase.

[copper bolt]

I'm pretty sure it's been said already but maybe the removal of the oil is to prevent stuff like 2-1 farming which was not originally part of the game design?

and other things like that

[fierce sonnet]

no lol

[zealous finch]

The reason why they removed oil for retiring is because the devs feared people would just print more oil by leveling ships to retire them using the new exp books. They could've just removed the oil-for-retiring/level scaling, that way people that want to farm 2-1 can still do that.

[fierce sonnet]

it was to prevent ppl from using the exp packs to feed 0lb grey botes and retiring them for oil

[zealous finch]

but they dont, because its been poorly thought through.

[fierce sonnet]

but i think they went about it the wrong way

[nova girder]

For all the gold the game pushes you to use the new daily raids really are disappointing in gold revenue and the new levels for merchant don't amount to -that- much.

An increase is an increase, but when it barely does anything to the problem at present (unless of course, we're pushed towards spending gems on gold?) it's something you can question. Hence why I hope this is only the beginning. I think they even sort of made it worse with lessening the xp requirement 100-120, so now you kind of hit those limits even more easily and require even more gold to keep them going esp. since dorm / exercise do not work on those ships.

[zealous finch]

If you don't understand the topic at hand, not talking is also an option.

Uninformed feedback is useless.

[fierce sonnet]

facts lol

[copper bolt]

[sick oak]

So is mindless ranting and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you

[nova girder]

But yeah, regarding oil I really don't see why the scaling wasn't just taken away

[copper bolt]

I mean idk about you but feedback can be both positive and negative

[zealous finch]

I'm lashing out at a guy that poorly understands the issue he's trying to give feedback about.

[fierce sonnet]

its kind of frustrating when all your points are getting shut down by people who have no idea what theyre talking about

[zealous finch]

not trying to be nice for sure not

[sick oak]

Sure, but explain why they are wrong instead of telling them to shut up

[fierce sonnet]

we did

[zealous finch]

Already did, scroll up.

It was supposed to be my conclusion, really.

I just hope they limit the use to XP books to ships below lvl100, as it has been for Lecture Hall before this update.

Slackers being able to level their ships to 125 without any effort just because they put in the minimal effort shouldnt be able to compete with people that tryhard. That's not gatekeeping, that's just conventional gamedesign.

I'm all for giving new players advantages so they can catch up, but this is not it.

[copper bolt]

so dorm + 10 hr commissions is considered effort then?

[fierce sonnet]

that is significantly slower than playing the game

[copper bolt]

it's still minimal effort no?

[zealous finch]

Try leveling a ship to 125 purely by dorm, and then try leveling one to 125 with exp books, you tell me the difference in the time required.

[full wyvern]

i mean you still need to play the game with ships eligible to give exp proficiency to even get the exp books

[zealous finch]

Its precisely the speeding up of this 'effortless progress' that is the issue.

[zealous finch]

Yeah but its laughably easy to keep that up. I'd still call that minimal effort honestly, but that's just me.

[copper bolt]

keeping the lecture hall topped off was pretty difficult without playing a lot in my experience previously

[zealous finch]

OpSi exp counts towards it as well

[cloud sable]

OpSi exp
nice meme

[zealous finch]

Its all part of the daily routine.

[full wyvern]

^ this and i dont personally see the issue, not like this game is competitive, its just helping players get their ships topped off to play the more end game content

[cloud sable]

the amount you get from opsi is laughably small, compared to any normal map

[copper bolt]

^

if anything, lecture hall buffs grinders more than anyone

previously it was 4800 xp/hr

now it's 6600 xp/ hr so it's harder to keep filled

[icy prairie]

I have no issue with the xp, it's the oil nerf that concerns me

[zealous finch]

It's not hard to fill it... please.

[icy prairie]

And yeah, it's not hard to top off the lecture hall

[copper bolt]

if u use the xp tickets from the lecture hall, it takes 810.8 hrs which is 34 days to get enough for 1 ship from lvl 1-125

seems to be about the same rate as dorming to 120

[cloud sable]

its pretty hard to keep it filled all the time unless you actually grinded alot
its just that most people keep forgetting to actually put ships in them 24/7, so the proficency builds up
lecture hall now consumes more exp than ever, and additionally its gonna be constantly running now

[copper bolt]

sure u can do both at the same time so it is halved

[copper bolt]

^

[zealous finch]

For me leveling a ship to max level gives me a sense of achievement and it also is a symbol of dedication. I level a lot of ship I like to max level just for that reason. For other people to just be able to do that by waiting, that just ruins it.

I feel like for people that have completed most of the endgame goals, that feeling of achievement is especially important.

[copper bolt]

also does anyone know the current cap on xp tickets? They mentioned 1 but idk if anyone has gotten there yet

5.351 million xp is a lot of xp tickets

[cloud sable]

in game it says 3000 iirc

[zealous finch]

3000 exp books is max

[copper bolt]

so u have enough to lvl 125 1 ship and get another to lvl 119 if u cap out

[zealous finch]

You can save up to a little over 8.5M EXP in books you can get over a course of 2 months.

[fierce sonnet]

if the issue with retiring is feeding exp tickets to 0lb ships, then why not set a minimum requirement for a ship to be able to use exp tickets? like at least mlb or lvl30 at least

[zealous finch]

That's ridiculous.

[copper bolt]

and it takes just under 1 month to save enough books to do it. I don't see a big issue here

[cloud sable]

i mean the point is that, unless you play, you wont get exp books
and even if you play actively, the amount of exp books you get is limited, the only reason you have alot rn is because of the 1-time rewards.
having to spend a month to get a ship maxed (while playing the game actively mind you), is really really slow.

[icy prairie]

LB'ing kinda sucks, but a level limit would be good I think

[zealous finch]

That's more than 3 ships to lvl125 btw

[formal oyster]

Any solution would have been better and way easier to implement. Makes me think that the reason they took out oil retirement reward is not the one they claim to be. Now as to why they'd be lying,

[copper bolt]

that's only 1 ship to 125 and another to lvl 119?

[zealous finch]

Now let me tell you, rarely do we get 3 ships worth leveling in 2 months time

[fierce sonnet]

was thinking mlb at least forces you to commit to the ship before feeding it but yea level limit must also be a bit higher

lvl30 is still kinda easy to farm up for a 0lb ship

[copper bolt]

5.35 mil xp for 1 lvl 125 btw if u didn't know

[short flume]

More around 3.5 for Non-UR, might be 5.35 for UR

[zealous finch]

talking SSRs

[copper bolt]

oh yeah you're right mb

but it's still 4.54 million for a non UR to get to lvl 125

3.2 million is lvl 120

[zealous finch]

yep. you could literally sit on your ass and wait till you get that. that's the issue.

[copper bolt]

but u can do that in dorm + commissions anyway?

[raw quest]

exp pack should not be useable above lv100 like the old lecture hall

[copper bolt]

well we're repeating the same arguments here so i'll leave it ig

ik your issue is getting the ship to 120/125 instantly

[full wyvern]

but why do you care how other players level up their ships though? how does that effect your gameplay in anyway

[zealous finch]

going in circles here

[copper bolt]

yeah i literally just said we were

you were the one that brought it up

[zealous finch]

I'm just trying to help you understand why this is an issue in the bigger picture, not for 'players' like you.

but what can I do

[copper bolt]

Yeah I see where you are coming from but in my view, there isn't much difference between when you get a ship to lvl 120 because they will get there eventually anyway no?

what difference does it make if u get it to 120 on the same day, 1 week later or 1 month later?

if you are able to do that, then you're probably not stocking up on these xp tickets to full any time soon either

if you actively grind, you're still wayyy ahead of anyone that doesn't grind. All it does is close the gap no?

[formal oyster]

Why can't the game just give us the new ships at lv 125 with +13 gear. We'll get there anyway.

[zealous finch]

Well I can 120 a myriad of ships in the time it takes to dorm 6 to 120

[copper bolt]

also the retiring oil thing, maybe that caused unintended gameplay that didn't fit with their game design?

[zealous finch]

most people that purely dorm to max level dont exactly have the biggest assortment of max level ships.

[formal oyster]

And they only fixed that now ?

[copper bolt]

I have like 120 120s lol

[cloud sable]

in the same manner, you can 120 a crapton of ships in the time it takes you to collect enough exp packs to 120 a ship

[copper bolt]

[zealous finch]

It. Is. A. Lot. Quicker.

[copper bolt]

3x as fast as dorm but only for 1 ship compared to 6

seems fair to me

[zealous finch]

I'm gonna be the one to say it, you've got a bad eye for fairness.

Either way, it should just be limited to <100 ships like it always has been.

[copper bolt]

my view is of a casual, yours is probably of someone hardcore if I'm not mistaken.

[zealous finch]

you reckon

Main issue still lies with destroying the sense of accomplishment most people get from maxing out a ship, though maybe that's hard to relate to if its all dormed EXP.

new UR = dump 1.6k exp books and there you have your instant 125

very cool! i love 'playing' this game!

[full wyvern]

as someone with multiple 120s my self, the grind to 120 is just set it and forget it now-a-days anyways so what what achievement is that

[cloud sable]

yeah, its not like its really difficult to 120 a ship in a matter of days, and storing up 1.6k exp books means you arent using them on something else that youre leveling (like leaving your dorm empty)

[copper bolt]

lvl 125 for non UR = 4.5 mil xp
max xp book generation from lecture hall = 6600/hr
690 hrs approx = 29 days minus a few from
6 xp plans from daily raid + 2 weekly from sub = 44/week
3 weeks of that = 23.25 days left for lecture hall to cut the remainder of the xp.

Takes around 3 weeks to do this PER lvl 120 non UR. In that time how many 120s can u grind?

[zealous finch]

I do think the majority of players get satisfaction out of leveling a ship to max.

[copper bolt]

I mean u can just choose to not use the books yourself

[zealous finch]

If that doesnt apply to you, eh.

[stoic kettle]

[zealous finch]

cuck moment

[copper bolt]

it's a single player game anyway, why does it matter what other people do

[stoic kettle]

devs can also choose to not make the only content in this game irrelevant

[formal oyster]

?? AL is a single-player game now

[ornate basin]

feedback?

[stoic kettle]

good idea.

[formal oyster]

Would be fair since it's in replacement of Lecture Hall and that didn't allow to xp above 100.

[stoic kettle]

old Lecture Hall was nothing compared to this dumpster fire, only allowing you to level one ship type for 24h at worse xp/h rate, only till lvl 100 and also reducing mood

[zealous finch]

"A game with no effort is just an Excel simulator" - Black Man, 2021

[stoic kettle]

and you couldnt "prepare and store" the xp like you can now

[zealous finch]

he's my dearest friend, please trust his authority

[stoic kettle]

like i saw people saying: you can also just dorm ships to 125 without ever using them here
yeah... except that that takes like two years and the lecture hall method couple weeks

[copper bolt]

in my view, AL was always a very low effort game

[zealous finch]

that's fine, if you choose to play it that way, but that's not how it should be for every player.

[stoic kettle]

^

[copper bolt]

yeah that's fine by me, people play how they want to right?

[zealous finch]

if you give everyone the ability to easily level ships to 125, with effort or without, then putting in the effort would be completely meaningless.

[stoic kettle]

^

[zealous finch]

its not gatekeeping lategame content, its just conventional gamedesign.

[stoic kettle]

[copper bolt]

takes around 2 months to get to lvl 120 but that's for 6 ships so it's more like 10 days per lvl 120 or 3 months for lvl 125 so 15-16 days per lvl 125.

not including old lecture

[rich tree]

actual feedback - i like the system changes and qol this year, as long as we dont get into qol sweeping campaign and opsi

[formal oyster]

That's why some people give a fair importance to what little effort you can put in the game. And no it is not a "single-player game", and every multiplayer game need a competitive incentive. In Azur Lane there's no real ranking, PvP is pointless, so people measure it by investment in the game, that's what creates competitiveness in the game, and what keeps endgame players in.
That's an important part of a multiplayer game, whether some people see it as "arrogant" or something because they themselves don't really care.

[stoic kettle]

[zealous finch]

Let me tell you, the reason why I kept playing isnt for the insane challenge the game provides, because that's nearly nonexistent its because its fun competing with other people

[stoic kettle]

exactly

[copper bolt]

so if the number of lvl 120s is what matters, you can just grind more lvl 120s than other people right?

if everyone gets the same amount of xp boost, that doesn't take away the grinding aspect of getting a ship to lvl 120

[fierce sonnet]

chasing leaderboards is the only challenge from this game lets be honest

[stoic kettle]

what grind? i just stack books till next event and insta lvl 120 them all

[copper bolt]

not to mention u still need to sortie to reach 100 affection

[zealous finch]

and I guess that kinda goes into the whole 2-1 situation as well, it's not difficult content, but honestly, neither is Challenge Mode, or clearing 13-4 for the bazillionth time, or fighting OpSi C6 bosses.

[stoic kettle]

which gets easier with the books and is a non visible metric till oath

[formal oyster]

No the issue is having easy access to 120/125 for casual players.
It's like putting bronze level people in Master rank in other competitive games. Except they wouldn't be able to de-rank here because it's not based on skill but on completion rate.

[stoic kettle]

so downgrade

[zealous finch]

If devs really wanted to shut down 2-1 farmers, then this is a very roundabout way of going about it. Especially because they still compensate oil lost from no longer being able to retire.

[short flume]

Sortieing isn't necessary, but it's the same arguement between dorming to 120 and playing to 120, one is indirect and way slower and one is direct and faster

[fierce sonnet]

yea cm got broke with shimakaze and was pretty much solved before her, now leaderboards is just who can highroll the fastest

[slate monolith]

Well the oil issue for retiring could be done like how coins are now a set for certain type of ships. I mean I don't see why we could of kept the oil at the same level as the coins are.

[zealous finch]

And we all know the real reason is because they dont want people to exploit exp books, so I think its safe to say the 2-1 nerf is just collateral damage.

[stoic kettle]

lazy game design yea

[fierce sonnet]

killing 2-1 farming was not the main intention of this change yes

[stoic kettle]

couple lines of code more to cap retire cost

[slate monolith]

Although I always thought the 2-1 meme was bad to begin with though

[fierce sonnet]

ok

[zealous finch]

fair enough

[stoic kettle]

as an outcome its just as bad for the end user

the intention is irrelevant for the player

[formal oyster]

Really ? I think it was. Otherwise they would have fixed their oversight with a much simpler and efficient solution. We gave them many in that channel alone already in only a few hours.

[zealous finch]

constantly having to recompensate players via mail is also horribly impractical

[fierce sonnet]

well thats what they explained in their tweet for why they made the changes

[copper bolt]

I think making it easier for newer players to get to lvl 120 is beneficial for the vast majority of players since it makes content such as opsi easier where 4 fleets are used + subs which are a pain to level. If more people play opsi then more people do the META bosses.
If more people do META bosses that makes life easier for everyone. If they can use lvl 120 ships then it helps them do more dmg which makes them happier and us happier in supports too. This improves one of the few multiplayer aspects of AL and new players' grievances of opsi with not enough leveled ships so

[fluid grotto]

the exploit is not 2-1, but the bb stocking method

which is a thing in cn

[formal oyster]

If what they said is true then it's even worse, because that would mean they've made us pay for their mistake. They wrongly implemented Xp books and had to nerf retirement as their solution.
That's even worse to me than coming and say "Hey we want to nerf 2-1"
That would still suck, but would be honest at least.

[zealous finch]

huh? I thought Global Support in META fights was just to giggle at moronic fleets?

[stoic kettle]

^

i dont even profit from a full lvl 120 kms fleet support now

changes literally nothing

[fierce sonnet]

Of course the whole “2-1 got nerfed” thing was a side effect of the change hence why ppl are pretty pissed off about it

[formal oyster]

Regardless of the reason, this change was unnecessary and they seemingly gave it very little thought. It unnecessarily nerfed something that some people heavily relied on to play the game.

[noble monolith]

I just really appreciated the fact that when I was extremely low on oil from regular maps, I could always return to 2-1 and continue to farm SOMETHING. Better than having to wait days for oil to stack up in the canteen. Feelsbad

[zealous finch]

I think it's pretty bold to assume devs think of 2-1 farming as 'unintended gameplay'. I think it's just a good example of maximising profit with a surprising method.

[fierce sonnet]

Especially with how many coins sinks were already in the game and now added even more with lvl125 and new upgrades

[zealous finch]

this honestly

[stoic kettle]

not to mention that it felt great scrapping the 800 common fodder ships after a long D3 session, gettin a bit of oil cashback and being able to farm another 10 runs

[zealous finch]

just a nice way to keep playing while having ~net0 spending

[fierce sonnet]

I mean devs implemented full auto feature so 2-1 is pretty much expected to come from that

[stoic kettle]

now its just coins, i cant farm D3 with coins

i cant buy oil with coins either

nothing but a downgrade

[zealous finch]

Here's to hoping they reconsider their current approach

[fierce sonnet]

🥂

[fluid grotto]

not gonna explain how the exploit works, you can do your own research.
pretty much it was cn players method to farm coins.
my suggestion earlier was one option to prevent it, while keeping the old retirement loot.
a bit convoluted in the surface but it's one of the way to get around it.

[fierce sonnet]

CN threw em in academy isn’t feeding the new academy exp packs essentially the same thing

[fluid grotto]

same thing but way easier now cus theres no restriction

[reef basin]

So, some of us sweaty commanders are going to be maxing out our guild tech by the end of the year.
With the new lecture system, maybe it would be a cool idea to allow some lecture hall upgrades through guild tech?

[fluid grotto]

that's why they change it

[eternal bronze]

it would be like that if it wans't so boring and with burnout side effects due to how much time it took before

and i can say that

cuz i have almost 50 ships lvl 120

[zealous finch]

but yea I do think the amount of ships maxed out is something you can be proud of

because its an indication of dedication

not because it is easy but because its hard

[eternal bronze]

its not hard its just repetitive

have you heard of the definition of insanity?

[ornate basin]

feedbacks have been made right?

[eternal bronze]

i don't think so that why im commenting here

look if you guys feels that something is very wrong you can make a submit to belfast and see if it goes through

[zealous finch]

true, but I just wanted to quote K-man

well either way keeping up repetitive grind requires fortitude

[silver cliff]

This lecture hall thing is garbage. Imagine half the people to reach the top of Mt Everest climbed and half took a helicopter, and there was no way to tell the two apart. Any sense of achievement from climbing the mountain is now gone. Why even bother?

[light fjord]

those aren't even remotely comparable.

[steady trail]

I think that tactical training should also offer the new cognitive chips, so it will be easier to grind

[light fjord]

it does on the level 100 missions

[minor robin]

Uhh, have you checked the level 100 ones below by any chance..?

[modest island]

he hasn't unlocked them yet i think

[steady trail]

ahh got it. Didn't notice that at first

thank you. They rearranged it from top to bottom

[modest island]

if you unlocked them they should be at the top automatically is this a bug

[peak portal]

Just asking when will Lil Sandy put in light pool?? As returnee i wish to 100% collection.

[loud axle]

I hope for future bp's they remove the weekly limit. I'd love to just grind the BP out and be finished with it. It's a tad annoying to have to wait nearly a whole week or so just to do a tier of quests that could have been done sooner

[strong flower]

!submit

!submit

!submit

[fierce sonnet]

do it in #bot-spam my guy

[idle bay]

I wish they'd just make it so every ship gave the same amount of oil as if they were level 1. That'd fix the exploit, while keeping 2-1 unnerfed.

[fast cliff]

it costs 36k coins to level up a SR from 1 to 120. with the last update, we'll be leveling them faster, and the cost remains the same. also, with 2-1 nerfed, access to coins is more costly. we'll be spending a lot more time and oil farming coins, and a lot less time actually leveling up the ships

[inland creek]

so many years yet there is still no way to sort ships disregarding which fleet they're in

[grizzled rose]

About azuma oath skin lines https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/pyyykz/it_seems_theres_a_difference_in_the_number_of/

Why are there only 3 on en?

Jp has most of them already. Is this a bug?

[olive flume]

It's translation lag I believe. This kind of thing has happened several times. Chapayev skin had the same issue.

[wanton bobcat]

having the auto also collect this node would be a nice update

[delicate lance]

Yeah even some current skin only have half of the lines and some non at all. It'll be added in future patch

[shut lava]

Nvm... sorry... i was panicking...

[ornate basin]

this is #game-feedback try checking #known-bugs though for more info

[timber grotto]

Please allow us to un-heart the ships. I accidentally hearted a 🚮 ship and now I have to go and heart all 400+ ships so it doesn’t appear like I have trash taste

[jolly jacinth]

Heart as in pressed the “I like this ship” button?

[raw quest]

heart in comments or 100 affection?

if so, just use the ship until 0 morale

[minor robin]

I'm assuming he means comments

[jolly jacinth]

I don’t think I’ve ever actually went to a ships comments before

[raw quest]

didn't know you can't un-heart in comments

[timber grotto]

I mean comments

[full wyvern]

no ones going to know you hearted in the comments unless you specifically tell people you hearted them or you are sharing your account

[spark bluff]

You should heart all 400 ships, they all deserve it.

[timber grotto]

No one is going to know if I put pink disco balls in my basement but I still don’t want to look at it - you can say that about anything in a mostly single-player game

[raw quest]

If you want to suggest new things for the game - please use !submit command in bot-spam or send a direct message with it to @Belfast.

[jolly parrot]

Hello, is there going to be an additional one thousand oil in the mail for the maintenance that occurred recently?

[hearty crane]

No? Why would there be...

[jolly parrot]

Weren't we getting 1k oil per maint because of the retiring changes

[delicate lance]

we still didn't get that one yet afaik

[hearty crane]

We haven't gotten a real maintenance since though...

(Also 1K oil was promised for JP, ours might slightly differt since we already got more oil than coins compared to other maintenances)

[delicate lance]

it's already in game. the changes i mean

[kindred vessel]

ours will be 6k oil and 50k coins

[fluid grotto]

similar thing happened to me, pls allow us to un-oath ship, accidently oathed a 🚮 ship, i don't want people to think i have a trash taste

[iron pumice]

this would be kinda good tho, a divorce function maybe the limit should be 1 or 2 per account

it sounds funny but it could be helpful

and the affinity would go back to low etc

[hearty crane]

No no not the compensation, JP changes mention each patch giving +1k oil each maintenance from now on.
As this wasn't planned maintenance, just emergency, of course we didn't get it this time.

[delicate lance]

I see

[jolly parrot]

[balmy ginkgo]

Maybe make the battle pass bigger and have it be laid out horizontally instead of vertically?

Cause it’s kind of annoying to look at when everything in the pass is so small

[hearty thunder]

[scenic flower]

[slate monolith]

Well it's good to know that they managed to fix the cruse pass. I mean since this is a new system for them to have it was more or less expected to have some kinks in it. If anything I'm glad they were able to repair not only that but even the one Juustagram post too.

[copper nest]

T3 into T4 skill book crafting when?

[scenic flower]

already here

[slate monolith]

[scenic flower]

last daily missions

[copper nest]

Really? Broken

[slate monolith]

You sure you didn't mean the tech boxes there?

[scenic flower]

oh, wait...

Not crafting, just here

[copper nest]

No I meant crafting gold books into new fancy ones, more as a joke, it would be kinda broken right after release of new dailies but in a year maybe?

[hearty crane]

So, as pre-empt... now that Cruise Missions require weekly points... they don't just evaporate after getting 2000 anymore right? I can't check since mine have already gone.

[slate monolith]

Well we did get the T2 to T3 book crafting a while back, so give it about a year perhaps

[scenic flower]

it'll save some time, but not profitable in a long run. I only craft T1 into T2

[hearty crane]

126h > 78 hr is not profitable? "some"?

[scenic flower]

you're loosing exp

[hearty crane]

Only if 4 or more T3 are needed...

[slate monolith]

T2 to T3 books only take 4 instead of 6 from T1 to T2

Although we do need a way to upgrade plates from T1 to T2 and T2 to T3, but leave upgrading gold plates out for now since that's still relevantly new still

[teal hatch]

[primal valve]

pls put Cognitive Array in Merit Shop

[scenic flower]

Need more resources to rise two META ships at once

[paper idol]

No problem for me

[scenic flower]

not yet, until next ship appear in OPSI

[copper bolt]

if you play enough opsi, you get more than enough mats to max enhance any META ship at least

[scenic flower]

I know, but it looks like it's not enough for two ships.

[kindred vessel]

keep in mind GarfieldFusou Meta is an elite and appears to require less resources to 100% fortify

[scenic flower]

btw, can I learn the skills for both ships at the same time?

[copper bolt]

yes but that Q should be asked in #gameplay-help

@scenic flower I've just unlocked fusou meta now to see if there is enough mats, it turns out there is more than enough to max enhance Fusou META and it's like Vordea said

I still have this much left over despite having all 4 other META ships at max enhancement too

The amount of mats you can get a month are locked though since they aren't "farmable" so I get your issue if you don't play opsi very much.

adding some additional ways to obtain mats could be beneficial though for those t hat don't play very much opsi but that's one of the reasons why you should play the game mode a bit to get these mats. So idk how that could be balanced

[normal vine]

don't know if anyone has said it yet, but "Collect All" on the Cruise thing needs to be A BIGGER F***ING BUTTON

I've hit "Upgrade" thrice in as many times of trying to collect the rewards now

I get it, you want me to buy the thing, but this is just complete arse right now

[scenic flower]

[robust wharf]

Where Lexington Retrofit qwp

[hearty crane]

I assume "week 1" will end friday, not monday? With random starting points since first of the month, having an actual indicator of days left would be welcome. I don't see any currently on the UI (And if the "week" does end sunday that's worse)

[teal hatch]

after essex retrofit

[nova girder]

I'm glad the weekly quests are doable within one day

and the rewards aren't 100 coins or something like that so I'm ok with this battle pass system if it stays the same.

[kindred vessel]

Price is pretty reasonable for how much shit you get

[robust wharf]

[teal hatch]

value is insane youd be dum not to buy it

[formal oyster]

Another time-gated content huh
Could really do without the week limit thing.

[paper idol]

Can you return the retire mechanism to same as before

[fossil current]

Any idea if or when coins gained from map clears is ever gonna scale up?

Doesn't make much sense why 1-1 has the same amount of coins as 13-4

[formal oyster]

Also only 50 cognitive arrays per month in core shop ? What the hell, not even enough to awaken half of an SR ship
What am I gonna do with 30k cores.

[modest island]

[kindred vessel]

could the "not max level" filter be changed to "under level 120" instead

It's basically useless now as most of us have at most ~10 level 125 ships, so it pretty much does nothing

[scenic flower]

Comf-Fort should show the info about cats. Coz it shows nothing about either resting cats or cats to choose. We're just blind.

[velvet adder]

idk could the rewards be made a little bigger? they are kinda small tbh and hard to read

[copper nest]

this whole ui is a mess

map should take that little space on the right and rewards and BIGGER buttons the rest of space

[scenic flower]

I'm sure we don't need that map at all

[copper bolt]

Maybe keep the way the UI is now because it looks nice, but add a big button that brings you to a new screen within the world cruise interface showing you only the information relevant to the rewards. Maybe something like this could work (Quickly made it in paint)

Since the interface with the map is quite nice to look at and getting rid of it doesn't seem like something that will happen

so adding another button to sort of expand all the important info that's currently squished in on the right would be quite nice

[stone valley]

But the hood boat map is cute
and this is coming from me, who hates hood

[copper bolt]

yeah it is which is why I said rather than get rid of it, just add another button that takes you to a more detailed interface without the map taking up most of the screen. So every time you go into the world cruise, you get to see your progress on the map ^^

[copper nest]

that would be even better

[harsh spear]

I agree

[jolly jacinth]

/ban 631122601049194509 scam

[velvet adder]

FR0ST#8386 got banned. Reason: scam

[scarlet light]

Please consider having an official pc client for AL. I know there's emulators out there but it would put my mind at ease if there was an official client to avoid virus/poor optimization. Thank you.

[solar solstice]

I second this

[plain coral]

the name of this item is kinda misleading compared to the description

would probably change to T. Bomber and D. Bomber to make the names more distinguishable

[snow pond]

XP packs were a huge mistake, too much freedom with it. Maybe bringing a limit to it would be a way better solution to it. And lowering it's XP value to 1k or lower

[eternal bronze]

please make PR/META ships not take dock space

they cannot be retired and can be a complete burden to some skks

[snow pond]

Don't obtain them

[nova girder]

Considering all the ships out there I legit don't see the issue with XP packs. It's not like they're infiniprinted at a huge rate anyway.

[snow pond]

9 million xp on standby is a huge problem though

U can store them up till 3k

[nova girder]

I don't see why it's a problem. People say it's a problem because it's instant but still - what advantage does this even give?

[snow pond]

No grinding, no oil used to lvl up ships

[nova girder]

And the issue is: ? Sorry, but I legitimately do not see it. Don't they eat proficiency to be generated?

[snow pond]

Dorms also exist why need it

[copper nest]

but you have to use oil

or time in opsi xd

[nova girder]

At least from what I gather proficiency now goes directly to generating those xp packs

[fast quiver]

doesnt it take the entire essence out of the point of the game? its a gacha game, u grind, u farm, the point of gachas are to invest TIME, with these you are not investing time by insta-leveling them

[copper nest]

you think it's an issue because we got huge influx of them at day 1

[snow pond]

It counts OS xp as well

[nova girder]

Yeah, and like I said, proficiency now goes towards them while previously you used it to get xp anyway

[snow pond]

They can grind there all day to NOT use oil.

[copper nest]

they aren't produced out of thin air like coins/oil, you have to gain proficiency so you have to play the game, since it runs 24/7 now it's really easy to reach 0 and then no xp books are produced

[nova girder]

at that point shouldn't class hall be deleted so as to not give XP for "nothing"?

[snow pond]

We never said that, it is too much as a "helping" method

They could've easily limited it to ships below 100 since it was also the limit for ships below 100

[nova girder]

But like Akagi said we got tons of them from stuff right now but it's not going to keep up and ultimately, it's there to help catch up or heck, get tech upgrades through ships that just suck

Besides that

[snow pond]

This is a good point too, I don't want this to become Idle Miner

[nova girder]

We're (well, unless you're whaling for coins) constantly hitting the pay barriers for awakening - not to mention chips, possibly

[eternal bronze]

well you can't really choose between not taking Fusou META

by not taking her you lose alot of resources

[nova girder]

I mean if the solution to meta/PR taking dock slots is to not to obtain them

then the solution for chips is to not to use them

done & done

[copper nest]

loool, just don't die lmao

[snow pond]

Whack analogy, they did it poorly. Why let there be a potential of 9 fucking million xp be there on standby

[nova girder]

But I still don't see why that is an issue

[snow pond]

And also the xp cap is only increased by 200k xp lmfao

[nova girder]

it's not like it helps with PR or anything

[snow pond]

U can raise ships WAY faster to grind for it

[nova girder]

and like I said, with them it literally is something you can solve by never using them if you so desire

or use on ships you'd never use

[snow pond]

And since or ships don't require lb until 100 (which is awakening) they can boost it up to 100

[eternal bronze]

i was talking about BP specifically

[nova girder]

need to max lb on the way tho

[eternal bronze]

you can't really choose to not take Fusou

and you can't really retire her

[fast quiver]

then dont buy the pass?

[sinful cloud]

She's free

[eternal bronze]

the base pass is free

[snow pond]

Anything new =/= not always good for the game. It can just kill the game yknow. What if those shit become purchasable? Or in event shop? Yeah thought so

[nova girder]

I'm just confused. Grinding is still there and the XP packs aren't unlimited if you don't play as you run out of proficiency

I legit don't see those as an issue either because the "P2W" ship sailed a long time ago in PvP

[snow pond]

How is it still there? Explain it to me with me cus I cannot hear you with your 9 million stand-by xp

[copper nest]

#collected-feedback message @eternal bronze it's there, upvote if you didn't already

[nova girder]

We've said like 10 times now that generating those xp items requires proficiency, as in, spending oil for your lecture hall

and again, it's what lecture hall is now

[eternal bronze]

thanks i was trying to remember if this was already done and it looks like i already voted for it

[snow pond]

OPERATION SIREN

[fast quiver]

you do you, lazy wankers

im out

[nova girder]

What about opsi?

[snow pond]

AND PEOPLE CAN JUST SPAM DOUBLE EFFICIENCY WITH CHEAP FLEETS

OS COUNTS towards it

[nova girder]

It's not like you have unlimited energy nor get massive xp

[copper nest]

operation siren exp is laughable tho, plus ap is limited (but theoretically you can get infinite loop if akashi spawns)

but still, you're playing the game so

[nova girder]

Even if you do cheap fleeting those things take time to generate so

You have the same prof cap you had previously with the hall

[copper nest]

double efficiency thing just for this is a waste imo and again, they are not infinite (30 per month)

[hearty crane]

People make a much bigger issue out of the XP passes since that one-time mission gave like 600 of them... they aren't that plentiful without that. Same for Cog Arrays. And as stated people going "You can just not play the game" don't understand proficiency.

[sinful cloud]

Double efficiency is a waste unless you're really running on the clock, normal runs will be a longer grind cause of morale regen

[velvet adder]

cog arrays i heard are super rare

[copper nest]

b t w
I thought battlepass would be way worse (in terms of missions, grind, timegating xd) but it seems to be really good (both free and paid)
I understand why it's not purchasable with gems (it would have insane value) but damn.. I wish

my only issue so far is ui xd

[snow pond]

Laziness is the only reason why is see you like the xp packs smh

[nova girder]

And dorm hall, and old lecture hall and 10h commission...

[velvet adder]

yeah imagine not grinding 16 hours a day

[nova girder]

me? I grind my ships 1-120 in 1-1

[eternal bronze]

and?

[nova girder]

But seriously though, if getting a ship to 120 fast once in a blue moon makes the game unplayable it's probably a good time to question why one is even playing it 😄

[velvet adder]

the exp packs are great, i forgot to use the hall all the time because its dumb, closes on sunday, had specific requirements for ships each day, couldnt go past exp caps

[sinful cloud]

Honestly the only complain I have is the cost to upgrade didnt change
The other 2 are cheaper when they give free resources while lecture hall, you have to use oil to get it to work but costs more than twice the others

[nova girder]

Especially since PvP has been a joke since forever and being a veteran is literally the biggest benefit

[velvet adder]

now i can sit the exp packs in my inventory for when i want and need them, the packs are the best thing ever, such a convenience

[eternal bronze]

you can still grind for XP in stages if you want

[hearty crane]

LAZY... also FILTHY CASUAL as Kimo would say

[copper bolt]

saw someone already replied sry for ping

[eternal bronze]

a huge problem with this game was the amount of time to fully lvl up ships when you take the game has like 400+ ships

[velvet adder]

im probably the same level as he is since he just sits in 2-1 and gets literally 0 exp

[copper nest]

pvp? you mean nj aquilla veneto spam?
pvp is just really convoluted bulin (and ocassional cube) farm

[velvet adder]

i love being lazy in this game its my greatest pleasure to do nothing and get everything

[slate monolith]

The only problem I got right now is that the update is bleeding my coin stock dry though

[sinful cloud]

[hearty crane]

I think this is because bonus xp is a "luxury" while oil and coin are seen as more vital (but I take them all, all lvl 12 now)

[velvet adder]

in fact devs please make more things lazier, make hard mode skips just like daily raids please

[slate monolith]

But that's because I wasn't expecting a coin heavy update

[sinful cloud]

Getting free oil and coins would be more luxury, no?

[eternal bronze]

im a veteran but i like things lazy aswell after all this ins't a competitive game

[copper nest]

well... new daily raid difficulties could give more gold

[copper bolt]

how many people do u think actually do this lol, the casuals that benefit "the most" out of this won't actually have the proficiency bar always filled. Even if it is always filled, it takes a minimum of 3-4 weeks to get enough xp packs to lvl a ship up to lvl 120. That's about the same as dorming 6 ships to 120 as well.

[velvet adder]

only 200 extra is a joke needs to be buffed so instead of earning 12k on a sunday i should be earning at least 15-20k

[copper bolt]

and retiring common ships gives a lot of gold now, I got almost 200 coins per 10 common ships I retired from farming D3 lol

[sinful cloud]

I think they forgot the reason ppl wanted higher lvl dailies was for coins not gold plates

[nova girder]

yeah

[sinful cloud]

Thus what we got

[velvet adder]

the fact it only gives 1 gold plate

plate daily, 1 gold plate

[nova girder]

we got new currencies and minimal gold increase

[copper bolt]

the daily raid lvl increase has the same scaling as other raid increases though

[copper bolt]

they probably expect people to retire common ships for gold rather than enhancement fodder now

retiring common ships for gold is no joke anymore

easily 1k+ gold with not much farming

[sinful cloud]

Thats a dumb expectation cause ships need enhancement too

[nova girder]

doesn't that create a problem in that you have to choose between a bit of gold from retire and ignore enhancing ships which is vital

[velvet adder]

and not a small amount maybe enhancing ships should give the gold from retiring too?

[nova girder]

And reload still needs ludicrous amounts of ships

[velvet adder]

or maybe like 50-70%

[copper bolt]

yeah ofc, u have the option to enhance and the option to retire, realistically you're not going to be using all the ships simultaneously right? Idk, I'm still enhancing ships myself so ik how much fodder ships you need

[copper bolt]

u get gold anyway from selling the gear equipped on those ships

not as much obviously but it's always been there

[nova girder]

Still though, lessening the exp for 100-120 makes you hit paywalls much more often and having not that much help from new dailies it's kind of eh

Though my daily money sinks into just few researches anyway

[sinful cloud]

Not to mention the costs for SRs and URs for those levels

How to go bankrupt 101

[copper nest]

I would gladly get gold from mails but it's tied with oil 😔

[nova girder]

If they don't want people to keep getting more and more gold, maybe some things should get price reductions

[sinful cloud]

Same

[reef basin]

i dont know if this was intended, but yeah. its uhh... probably wrong? (shimakaze skin)

[sinful cloud]

And mails have more oil than coins so its gonna hit the cap first

[velvet adder]

any indicator to show how long each "week" is in the cruise

[hearty crane]

Man's stealing my feedback

[cursive horizon]

Since I have over 400 ships, and a solid half (or more) are languishing below level 100, the XP books are a huge help if I wanna jump-start a new ship to be moderately useful right away without needing to go to really low levels. They're also great for helping top off a high level ship that's just below a level cap without leaving them in the dorm where they won't get anything if I forget to pull them out in time. There is zero downside to us having the XP packs.

As has been said, the only real problem I have is that I'm still starving for coins. Oh, and the UI for the cruise could be easier to read.

[velvet adder]

i dont think they will go away looking at it now hassat i dont think theyll lock when new ones come out, after reading this thing

at least it has no indication that they will and more so just points to the fact the others will just open up

[copper nest]

Waaait since lecture hall is keeping old schedule..

Does that mean production will stop on sundays?

[copper nest]

Personally I haven't seen any battlepass to lock quests only in 7 days period, theoretically you could hop on during last week and do everything at once (maybe apart from sp missions), but we'll see for sure in few days, some design choices surprise me in this game so maybe this will be another one

[inner frost]

Doesn't every battle pass function in a way like this? I know Apex does it with the only difference being you also have daily missions you can do, other than that it unlocks more missions every week.

[copper nest]

Now that I think about it rainbow six siege has weekly challenges and if you don't do them in that week they're lost but grind there is not based on them, you just have to play a lot of matches (challenges are extra), but that's only one exception I know

I don't think there's anything to worry about here, if missions were going to be limited for specific week only I doubt there would be tabs for each week, like what's the point of looking at old locked missions?

[sinful cloud]

WT has 2 daily missions, with some challenges on top + login points and you can buy more missions with the currency the pass gives you, best one to keep entertained ive seen so far

[thin turret]

what kind of a scam is this?

I dont want this "meta" ship and im forced to keep it?

[hearty thunder]

[minor robin]

Much like priority ships from research
They cannot be retried yes

[cursive horizon]

While I, personally, don't know why you would want to retire a META or PR ship, I do feel that some of this could be mitigated by making it a bit easier to obtain Dock Space. Perhaps when getting an unretirable ship, it automatically grants you an additional space in your dock to house them. Of course, making Bulins not take up space would also be a massive help, but I doubt that will ever happen.

[scenic flower]

I believe Bullins should go to the depot as a materials, with possibility to craft them into ships just for loolz/memes.

[formal oyster]

Why is there so many cognitive chips in the cruise pass rewards ? And no cognitive arrays at all ?
Cognitive chips are already the easiest thing to hoard in this game. Why would we want to pay for this ?
Right now arrays are in much more demand, that was a nice opportunity.

[inner frost]

Not gonna lie, with the really limited ways (as of now) to actually obtain cognitive arrays, it kind of feels like level 125 is "optional", which makes me wonder why the level cap was even raised if that's the case.