game-feedback

[covert brook]

Ok, good point. I take that back.

[velvet adder]

I mean originally azur lane was a single player game at heart, forcing a big guild aspect to it could hurt it (especially if you block a lot of content behind it)

[kindred vessel]

guild in Azur Lane is just extra content and all you miss out on is an easy DPS race boss

[eternal bronze]

yeah i think its quite bland of making guilds when you can't interact with other guilds?

[blazing heart]

I mean what does "competition" mean, we don't need a guild pvp

[velvet adder]

I mean if you dont have a discord for your guild you'd pretty much never interact with them ingame anyway

[formal oyster]

Regarding the research thing, already did a card back in PR3, don't know how much of it would need to be updated ( aside the obvious "CALLED IT" ).
Don't know if it's worth upvoting it though, since I guess it's been lost in the abyss of feedbacks
#collected-feedback message

[eternal bronze]

116 upvotes

[bronze elk]

Would say the current state of things we have is ok for expanding on guild content, with public guilds being a thing there's really not much one can miss out on overall (not to mention i haven't really seen a guild which forces interaction... that's kinda sad)

Not to mention that any player with a care for their account's resources would join a guild themselves anyway, or is this too much to expect from our average ENhands?

[covert brook]

Guild PvP is sort of a bad idea, but with very small increments of good.

[fleet harness]

I wish this game had actually working chat, with proper chat history and ability to DM. The amount of times I have wanted to help someone who has a triple 410 on a BB, the amount of times someone needed help, but the room was engaging in a cringe roleplay, the amount of stuff you cannot even type cos even twitter allows more charachters. Lack of communication is making this game very beginner unfriendly imo

[crude pasture]

mockup of what the pathing AI does rn in red vs what it should if the AI avoided traps

[formal oyster]

There were a couple 100+ upvotes from research feedbacks back in the day, because it was and still is an obvious issue that can be easily solved.

[bronze elk]

Guild pvp would work out if guilds were properly matched to other guilds of their caliber; without getting into the specifics of how this could be done, even a beat x guild every week for fixed rewards kind of deal wouldn't be bad

[eternal bronze]

hopefully JP is also pushing this otherwise we are just gonna get PR4 and still be stuck at older seasons

[covert brook]

matchmaking
Have you seen the things you're up against in 1v1 if you're LT rank?
Good luck with guild balancing.

[undone hull]

Please no Guild PVP in AL, I suffer enough in UNF.

[formal oyster]

Problem with PvP is : Combat system is too much rng. Period.

[bronze elk]

Do explain

[kindred vessel]

I don't even see how you'd do Guild PvP without it being extremely frustrating

[undone hull]

Game needs more Dread Barrage style guild events IMO, those would work better for the more casual pace of the game.

[hearty crane]

I know that, I am the one who added it after all. But they made it sound they grinded for fate sim ingame.

[fleet harness]

Guild things can be competitive without direct interaction

Rating systems etc

Although a few guilds will end up dominating everything cos the amount of level 130+s in some guilds is...worrying

[blazing heart]

Btw is there a good way to search for collected feedback? Cuz you can't use discord search cuz it's all embeds instead of text

[fleet harness]

At least increase the operation cap, make guild shop refresh more often, make the weekly task more useful. Just brush up on the existing features and we already have a better system

[covert brook]

You don't. It'd be an 80 man skirmish with players of very varying degrees of competence and fire power. Kinda' hard to balance.

[formal oyster]

Directly on the trello, link is in this channel description at the top

[crude pasture]

they were complaining about how long the grind there is (would be?)

[high pond]

Operations should be uncapped

[copper nest]

I would understand cap on guild ops if they were free to run

[bronze elk]

Have it be like our current pvp system, already removes the need for live interaction of any sort perhaps on a 24hr basis or something

Would actually give legitimate purpose to communication in guilds too given there's a need to organise timings for everyone

+1 for guild op uncap btw

[hearty crane]

I for one, welcome our FdG overlord to powercreep NJ.

[formal oyster]

And I for one, would like to grind the new PRs instead of spending my own life into only one of them

[blazing heart]

It'd still be dumb, it punishes players that miss the first operation in a month unnecessarily hard

[naive cobalt]

discord search is able to search embed text

[blazing heart]

But I tried and wasn't able to find anything

[bronze elk]

@covert brook point is matchmaking doesn't always have to be assumed as bad upon proposal, if it works out all guilds can have rewards at their own pace... though I can also see that there are players who wouldn't like being implicitly told to play the game/get a better guild

[naive cobalt]

works for me just fine

[bronze elk]

Uncapping guild operations would be a fine start though, overall

[naive cobalt]

just discord being dumb I guess

[formal oyster]

Yeah a 3rd monthly operation would already go a long way

[covert brook]

The scenario I get would be that one guild who will never be de-throned and everyone wants to be part of getting all the best rewards while the rest of us peasants fight for scraps.

[copper nest]

yeah of course, either way it's dumb, just uncap it

[blazing heart]

Hmm then are you able to find the discord message related to a trello card I can see (for example "Change PR EXP missions progression to not use %")
Cuz there's some I'd like to upvote, but I don't wanna get a trello acc

[fleet harness]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard people say it was capped on purpose

[bronze elk]

To avoid that issue we could just have rewards be fixed across the board

The intention of matchmaking suggested here was moreso to keep things balanced so lesser guilds too have a chance at winning actually

[velvet adder]

I mean with how rare gold plates are and how many it costs to actually +1 anything above +10 they should be handing them out a lot easier

[fleet harness]

Like, if guilds ops are uncapped, you'd speedrun easy difficulty cos you could pump out more and get more plates

[formal oyster]

Then cap it, just give one or two more attempts per month

[velvet adder]

Yeah that was my guilds idea when it first came out because it would have been more efficient to run easies than hard

[fleet harness]

Hell, people don't contribute cos every option is too expensive. I exclusively contribute plates and food, and dread the times when there aren't any. Newbies don't contribute at all

[naive cobalt]

No, because that card was added way before we used Belfast bot

[copper nest]

But can you keep up with guild funds to start ops this way? For how long?

[blazing heart]

Ah I see thx

[fleet harness]

I forgot they exist. Can you even run out?

[kindred vessel]

if you have an active guild, hell no

[copper nest]

Not with the cap

[formal oyster]

Easy one cost 1k guild funds though, it's nothing

[sinful cloud]

Dev levels should turn into an exp system similar to META skills

Research:
-Face researchs turn into one universal research instead of a single ship dropping universal BPs, this becoming an extra exp item for the new dev level system mentioned
-Gear researches should drop prototype cores on top of the gear BPs
(The amount of cores depending on the research rarity)
-Other researchs stay the same with the BPs being updated to universal too

Proto shop:
-Update BP cost, weapon designs go up to 30 while UR comes down to 60

Weapon designs updated to include all PR exclusive gear
PR1 and PR2 guns added to gear lab

Main problem with the current system being BPs taking an eternity so giving an exp system that players can constantly grind and more options to get the gear faster seemed the better choice, helping newer players to catch up in the proccess
With many SRs and URs powercreeping the existing ships, some arent even worth grinding for

Changed some things to be a bit clearer, some said it was nice yesterday so what do you think? Dont want to submit for nothing

[fleet harness]

But our guild finishes around 15-16th of the month. That's 1-2 weeks of doing nothing

[blazing heart]

Tbh I don't see why guild ops system has to be in a way that doing easy operations is faster and more rewarding than hard missions anyway

[formal oyster]

I feel like an entire rework of the system would just make everything more confusing personally, both for players and devs.
As it is now, the current system can be fixed imo. So maybe devs should try to do that beforehand.

[naive cobalt]

same as "farming C2 is more efficient than D3"
it's more rewarding because it's easier and faster to run
so even tho rewards are way lower - you can get a lot of them and faster

[sinful cloud]

We've been trying to fix it for a while but it ends up in faster resource wasting or goes nowhere

[blazing heart]

C2 at least isn't more time-efficient though

[hearty crane]

To be fair, that is what Q is literally for. Its the defacto gear research.

[formal oyster]

What do you mean ? Nothing has changed yet on the research system. We proposed ideas yes, but devs just go silent on this. Even on something as simple as raising the DR BP drop rate we have nothing from the devs, so an entire rework of the system ? Hell no they won't even consider it

[fleet harness]

Gold Q is a scam tho, blue is better

[formal oyster]

Nah gold Q has a way better UR BP drop rate, from my experience.

[high pond]

PR3 raised DR drop rates due to having less ships

[fleet harness]

See? The RNG is confusing. There's no transparency either

[formal oyster]

That's not how it works

[sinful cloud]

I meant we here, seen going it back and forth and the only one that was complete was a 2nd research slot which will just kill your coins twice as fast

[blazing heart]

Nah, PR2 had highest DR drop rates since there were 2 DRs

[high pond]

Can you confirm that?

[formal oyster]

Besides the number of DR has no relevance. It would still take just as long to max out a DR ship, which is the main issue of this whole system.

[blazing heart]

Dunno about the exp system, you mean you would acquire exp by using the ship? But then would you even need to do research at all anymore?

Also I don't see how universal prints solve the problem of DRs taking forever to max

[bronze elk]

Tl;dr give more free DR prints devs!!!!!!!

[fleet harness]

If you get a rainbow in PR3 - it's drake. If you get a rainbow in PR2 - it's either or. So you need more rainbows in general hence it feels or actually is longer

[kindred vessel]

just get rid of the concept of DR prints, have them use the universal PR prints, but they still need the same amount (500+)

[blazing heart]

That could work I guess

[formal oyster]

Not really, just give the opportunity to players ( and not just newbies but veterans as well ) to max their ships in a reasonable amount of time, that's it. Ideally, before the next PR season comes or the next UR gacha comes and powercreep them.

[velvet adder]

I mean devs did try to give us free DR prints for pr2, remember when they gave us like 4 prints for 6 months of lost time? I do

[fleet harness]

Spend 2 year getting FdG to Dev 30. Gets immediately powercrept by a ship you get from 10 cubes

[high pond]

Sounds like someone who only does free research

[fleet harness]

I am just extremely unlucky

I got FdG first week and did nothing but focus FdG. Even got all other PRs to Dev 30 on the way there

[sinful cloud]

Would probably not be a small amount but honestly the system is just fucked, cant make a good solution while not making things useless
They took pepega lessons from WG to make it ffs

[formal oyster]

Nah they just released PR3 too soon for EN ( Or PR2 too late ). Now everything is fucked because of this.

[velvet adder]

The reason EN complains about the system so much (and the probable reason the the system doesnt change) is because JP/CN players all had an extra 6 months in PR 2 and safely managed to dev 30 everything with lots of time spare over this means they could start PR3 with a clean state and not worry about any previous tiers

[bronze elk]

This makes sense though I'd also consider that different players have a different interpretation of "reasonable amount of time" - powercreep will always be a thing but AL actually has it better than most other gachas in that regard. Best advice I can give you is really to just use both (i mean we have such a scarcity of backline ships + exp gain is skewed towards them anyway) and don't consider their value against one another

[velvet adder]

Only people who dumped thousands of cubes into pr2 and the H 1 hours reached dev 30 in the DR's before PR3 f2p/normies came nowhere close (Jp/CN f2p had this extra 6 months to catch up with the 10% or so whales)

[blazing heart]

I mean it still sucks if a ship is the best when you start working on it and powercrept when you finish it

[sinful cloud]

Also really, didnt even know about the 4 DR prints... what are they even thinking or are they even thinking

[pastel hazel]

I think it should be noted that PR is basically just overglorified collab. Every sane person knows that 1 or 2 years after release most of the ships will get powercrept. That's basically how long it takes to get DR to dev30 by casualls. But I think with NJ release we've got quite a lesson: Do not take PR to seriously, ship You are grinding will get prowercrept.

[formal oyster]

Well look I'm playing multiple hours a day, and this for 2 and a half year. And I still miss a lot PR wise and I don't even do only free researches
I'd just, and many other people I assume, would like to have the opportunity to complete a PR season before the next one come, so that I can get into the new one with a fresh mind and enjoy it more, that's all.
And yes I'm aware that powercreep is normal, I don't even see it as an issue myself. It's just to me another example of how long it takes to max DR ships with this system and the EN situation.
NJ came like 1 month after I dev30 my FDG, that I had for 1 and a half year

[sinful cloud]

Just watch them reduce DR prints for PR2 catch up now, might aswell wait for NJ rerun and grind Ägir if they really do it

[hearty crane]

Everyone can write something. I suggest diverting it in small points not ome major hump or you get like that "2 research, split 1/2 and 3/4" which I downvoted since thats a terrible way to split and research is already a resourcedrain, if you want to help casuals doubling that wont help them at all.

[formal oyster]

And still I consider myself lucky because besides Champagne, I don't care about PR3. But for people that still want to dev 30 Drake and stuff, welp. ( And of course I still don't have Drake gun either )

[velvet adder]

Yeah thats what I was wondering why people downvoted, Like people get the idea we need a change but they dont want that exact change

I think its a good idea to submit a lot of small points rather than 1 encompassing ideal

so then people can vote up or down the single points on their own

And yeah i cant wait for catch up to be 300 SR prints only and not even include the DR in catchup

[bronze elk]

I have nothing to add on the matter of research (whisper it, but perhaps that's how it was intended from the start)

On another note, more uses for cats perhaps?

[hearty crane]

What are you talking abouy? The Guild Shop they added is already OP? Guild upgrades free gems basically, previously unheard of They massively overcorrected. We don't talk about this weird catbox discount.

[velvet adder]

like this thing it says awards prints (but it doesnt always award prints, it lies)

[kindred vessel]

only Alpha Whales use the cat box discount

[blazing heart]

It's screwed up that 5 and 8h face researches have a chance of only giving 1 print for that ship anyway and that applies to all researches

[kindred vessel]

I think it's more screwed up that it's actually possible to get nothing from a research. I once got a single blue gear BP and that's it from a 3000 coin research.

[blazing heart]

(I just used that example cuz it's one of the researches where you are actually guaranteed to get something, it just doesn't scale up)

[bronze elk]

Basically have guilds actually function more like guilds as you would see in other games especially given that we have public guilds catering to single players now, why would having a shop that dishes out upgrades (miniscule I understand, but still upgrades) satisfy that?

Catbox discount users that aren't alpha whales exist (I know, blows the mind) but probably not on ALO

[velvet adder]

Why are you posting that pepeg face on my post what i said aint wrong

G-412 is a scam

[acoustic helm]

pretty much all blue beside the cube one is scam

[scenic flower]

10 cubes research is shitty too

[kindred vessel]

blue rigging analysis and blue face are great bruh wtf you mean

[acoustic helm]

oops, besides them as well

[velvet adder]

If you would like to upvote my feedback you can

and thank you to the guy who instantly downvoted

[acoustic helm]

incase of face research puple ones are the worst

[kindred vessel]

I'd rather take a rigging analysis over a purple face, even if it's a DR face

[sinful cloud]

I rather take the purple DR face cause I dont want it to take 3 years instead

[kindred vessel]

if I wanted to scam myself I'd rather do it on a Soul Forming not a purple face

[velvet adder]

If anyone is going to downvote my research estimates i would appreciate some constructive feedback if possible on how i can improve my feedback in future

[acoustic helm]

i mean why doesnt the blue G 1h one guarantees at least one pr bp anyway?

[blazing heart]

G-412 is just 1.5k to reroll...

[high pond]

The things you see listed are items that the research MAY award, therefore you aren't entitled to get something you want every time you do it

[kindred vessel]

yeah problem is it doesn't show estimated returns unlike comms

with comms I know what to expect with research it's ??????

[blazing heart]

Tbh idk why ppl downvote it, I'd kinda like to know what their opinion on the matter is
Yeah I'd just like to not know what I get, pls also add research that costs 20 cubes and has chance to give absolutely nothing, rng is my best friend

[velvet adder]

I invest coins and cubes into a research, commissions are free yet still tell me what i can be expecting in return for them, this is my big point on the feedback

[blazing heart]

I mean I guess you could've added an image, maybe they misunderstood and were like "But research already shows what it has a chance to give back"

[velvet adder]

Wouldn't it be nice if the researches told us what we could get in return? so we arent scammed with literally (you could get x or you could not)

[modest island]

I agree research needs an overhaul

[velvet adder]

It would also fish out absolute scams like the 10 cube research

[bronze elk]

Still pushing for a research "history" log of perhaps your past 10 researches to help people learn what's good/not in the meantime, helps your average EN player learn to read too

[hearty crane]

Operation Siren is already crying in a corner since Guild Shop does its own damn thing (t4 plates) better at 5 packs a MONTH at random vs 4 a WEEK you can pick and you want it to refresh more? Stop beating down OPS, man,its already dead...

[modest island]

Yeah if genshin can tell us what we rolled each pull per banner then AL can as well

[eternal bronze]

too bad we are the only region having major problems with it

[undone hull]

Naw CN is reeing pretty hard about it rn

[sinful cloud]

Theres hope

[velvet adder]

Thank god thats good to know, maybe something will happen

[acoustic helm]

ye saw a forum yesterday, people are complaining

[modest island]

For me personally

Will say that I've missed less than a month total of daily logins since aug 2020 and i only got 1 PR ship dev 30 and 1 PR ship fs5

I got like avg dev lvl of 23ish on my PRs besides the 2 listed above and 20ish on my DRs

This is including what sporadic play i had done since dec 2018, and the catchup, but i only started being active since aug 2020

[eternal bronze]

[fleet harness]

This is why I only suggested improving upon things that work

[eternal bronze]

then theres hope i guess

[small girder]

FIX MY VV L2D, THE CHEST ANIMATION LOOK WEIRD AF AFTER UPDATE

[modest island]

I like the universal prints idea cause since PR ships are shit before dev 25 for vanguard and dev 30 for main generally it allows ppl to allocate prints wherever they want instead of being be and having an average of less than dev 25 on everyone
Its better to have a few dev 30s and a few dev 10s than everyone average dev 24 and be useless

[eternal bronze]

but they really should make up for the 6 months we din't get

[sinful cloud]

They did with 4 prints apparently

[kindred vessel]

just give us 300 PR2 prints good for any PR2 ship, problem solved

[blazing heart]

Tbh the main reason I'm not totally behind the universal BPs is that it feels against the spirit of the entire game to me, kind of one of the points is that you can't really focus on a single ship anywhere (Take build for example, it feels slightly as if you were suggesting build should give a universal ship you can convert to the ship you want) totally not exaggerated

[kindred vessel]

I think the universal prints is fine for old PR seasons only. For current season you want to keep a gacha element I agree

[acoustic helm]

thats seems like a very good idea to me, I personally support universal BP at least pr1 and 2 world be godly

[formal oyster]

Personally I just want a simple solution that would be easy enough for the devs to implement quickly and easily.
So a rework with universal BPs heh.

All the solution to solve this whole nightmare are easy enough and have been given multiple times already. They'd still be balanced and leave the current system unchanged.
So if devs don't want to listen to those, I really doubt they'd listen to anything else.

[blazing heart]

Hmm yeah I guess I can get behind that

[trim sphinx]

maybe first they can do to fix this problem is increased number of PR & DR blueprint in event shops (in next event), change the reward from daily mission research 1x to univ PR BP & weekly final reward with 1-3 univ DR BP + 1 random weapon BP from PR, add small change PR / DR BP appeared in munitions shops and merit shop

[velvet adder]

yeah this was what we got for the 6 months we missed just a lil lacking imo

[fleet harness]

Botak being the voice of reason....

I mean I do like the idea of small changes that won't fuck everything up in unimaginable ways

[velvet adder]

Yeah i wouldnt mind if they added prints to more stores and upped the number from 10, it would give me an incentive to actually grind events more

[fleet harness]

We got a new weekly system, why not expand it?

[formal oyster]

Because current system isn't broke. It's just unbalanced.

[sinful cloud]

Could let us grind bps before dev 30, doubt I will ever use Georgia and much less now with powercreeping

[raw quest]

just wait for a new UR gacha that powercreeps all the PR ship & play at your own pace

[sinful cloud]

Honestly, fuck it

They come complete

[fleet harness]

That's what Gacha URs are

[formal oyster]

What if my own pace is finishing a PR season before the next one so I can start with a clean mind and enjoy the new season more ?
With one season every year, for a very active player, I think it'd be reasonable to expect to at least Dev 30 all the ships by then as well as having at least one copy of the UR gear

[pastel hazel]

Tfw waiting for NJ rerun takes less time than making dev30 FdG 😎

[sinful cloud]

Also the PR season focus could actually focus on the damn season, swear i got more Azuma/FdG researchs with PR1 focus for Monarch

[crimson hornet]

[bronze elk]

The average longtime active player is running out of backliners to level already vg MVP when?

[velvet adder]

"average" i think ur average might be a little high there

[formal oyster]

If you meant vanguard flagship though, that's a for me

[velvet adder]

Also yeah with pr focus now its a lot more likely that only the 3 guaranteed will be of that season, the rest will be from the other 3 cos theres so many now

[hearty crane]

You've... never done the tons of "may drop x"? As in... every single daily commission...

[velvet adder]

For that part i do mean the like coins, oil, etc (kinda like the 10 hour oil comms) but yeah commissions do have the May drop

I just think it sucks since youre not told anything at all about them, and a lot of people I doubt are making a spreadsheet to figure it out

[hearty crane]

Also add flagship bonus to sub flagship (outside of the daily gladly nobody has to do anymore)

[velvet adder]

bp exchange?

[copper nest]

1:1 yes pls

[dry merlin]

Is not easier to make research give a small amount of protocore and do a small rework on the protocore store?.
Like, gold research give 15 protocore (3 times the current amount of protocore that a normal BP gives).
Obviously devs could adjust the amount of protocore vs time/resource spent.

[formal oyster]

It would really be solved by a simple:
Reduce the amount of Prototype Core needed for DR BPs
Increase the drop rate of DR BPs for both ships and gear.

Absolutely no need for any kind of complicated rework, it's probably nothing more than just changing 3 values. And everything would be fixed.
But they still don't want to do it for obscure reasons.
Even if it was for just a year, to give time to EN to catch up. Because their 30 BPs of PR1 catch-up really is irrelevant. It's not even a catch-up but more a help for new players.

Like, I just exchanged more than 30 Izumo Bps right now. What can I buy with that ? One general DR BP.
35 to 1 ratio, what the... ?

[hearty crane]

"Even if just for a year" ... So then you want them to revert it and screw up newer players??? I thought we were asking all this time for something newbiefriendlier, not just a push for the vets...

[hasty mountain]

please delete this garbage

[formal oyster]

I'm fine with either. It's just that the issue for EN is: we didn't have enough time. So I just had this catch-up mindset.
I used the word even because even if I'd prefer for that to become permanent, well at least that could be an acceptable comprise to devs, should they not want to permanently buff this system, but rather give a chance for EN to catch up.

[sinful cloud]

Leave that and delete the 5h20m one, quick finishers are nice to have but not worth that much wait

[sinful cloud]

If even CN is complaining now, dont think its just a catch up problem for EN anymore

[inner frost]

Are they complaining about the PR system or the PR4 itself though?

[sinful cloud]

From what I understood ppl saying, its the system itself

[inner frost]

I was hoping it would be the system, then there's finally hope for some change to this god awful system

[hasty mountain]

all of the Limited QF need to go, you get plenty of QF anyway from doing the 1-2h start-of-day commis without spending oil and wasting a limited commi drop

okay, so here's the thing
motherfuckers keep strawmanning about "all the old players think PR is fine", "it's the veterans downvoting all our attempts to fix PR" etc I'll pull an 180 and start preaching that PR is too easy and they need to halve the research rewards while doubling the costs

[formal oyster]

I've yet to encounter a single veteran that genuinely think current research system ( or drop rate rather ) is fine.

[modest island]

^^ i would agree as well

havent seen a veteran complain that PR is easy lol

[hearty crane]

Its the #1 source of eating my coin... when I started no way I could do coin research, and then you get nothing. A good reason why "just double the researches!" I feel isn't the moracle cure some people expect it to be, unless cost are also halved to compensate.

[slate monolith]

The problem is getting the BP for the ships takes too long, until an event like this happens, and it speeds either getting to Dev 30 or pushing along for the Fate Simulation.

What's worse is we have 3 DRs that are hard to even get the BPs for them too

[acoustic helm]

yea, way too long

[slate monolith]

I mean most of those 8/12 hr research tends to give only none or 1 most times, so the complaint was those were never worth the time to do

[cloud sable]

personally i think the current PR is easy, its basically just throw resources at the problem for 6 months, its just very annoying due to the rng which can be frustrating, especially for rainbow equips

[cloud sable]

well theyre free, so what do you expect?

[slate monolith]

It's like having one research is no longer enough now since the PR roster is now growing

[slate monolith]

Actually, no they aren't since you have to drop a LOT of coins to do those researches

[acoustic helm]

i think he meant the basic researchers

[cloud sable]

the 12hr research is free though?
and if you mean the 8hr coin one, that one gives plenty of bps

[slate monolith]

There were a few that were gold/rainbow for characters that are that long

And if you are doing a DR research for 8hrs they only give at most 1 for said DR

[velvet adder]

8 hour 1 bp

[acoustic helm]

So whats your opinion as a verteran Nerezza? should Pr system needs at least some work or it should stay the same?

[velvet adder]

you get some extra with it though i guess so its not all too bad

i think the fact its over like 6 months it makes people forget how much they actually spend on it

[slate monolith]

Yeah, but if you're lucky you get bps you need/want

[cloud sable]

i think its fine, but catchup should get improved, which i mentioned here <#game-feedback message>
rainbow equips need less rng though

[acoustic helm]

One small thing I want is when why we say focus on pr3 then all 5 research should always be pr3 instead of pr1 or 2 mixed in...at least this gives more choice and will not break anything in research. What do you people think? Also if possible a ship focus syste would be nice that would at least increase the chance of said ship's face research appear even if only by a small amount

[velvet adder]

i think the main problem is gear doesnt really drop on H research, if it did we would all have the rainbow by dev 30

imo the system is youre either going for the gear or youre going for the dev bps, idk how other people view this

maybe a rainbow gear research added? that will give rainbow prints

[sinful cloud]

Personally I dont pay much attention to the gear most of the time, when I have enough I have enough, but I do notice that rainbow guns take stupidly long

[acoustic helm]

Heres a crazy thought, completely remove gear researches and add all of it on gear lab. I believe it makes more sense. This also creates space for bp research and will make people play more opsi. Two birds in one stone. Please gib ur opinion.

[velvet adder]

I mean we do have main gun rainbow prints lying around useless they could be used on either of the rainbow stuff in research, i do feel like its a more fair way of obtaining the gear (research kept in just as some like freebie bonus)

they could also have it as the prints get used up as a discount towards one in the lab and then just remove them so you cant get anymore

although its complicated and im not sure the devs like complicated

[inner frost]

Well the devs said that there will be a gear lab update, so it's not unlikely that they will shove research gear into it. Considering we have stuff like Ryuseis in there, I can't see why we can't have other PR gear in the gear lab.

[velvet adder]

yeah im thinking it will come around the same time as pr4, i mean the 2 things are kinda connected

[formal oyster]

It's by no mean an excellent solution, but current problem (to me) is time more than anything. Most people are behind and each new PR season makes it worse.
So having additional research slot makes everything faster, which is what is needed.

Costs could be reduced as well but I'm just in the side of "Let's not ask for too much" seeing as how the devs don't seem wanting to even discuss this matter in the first place.

[acoustic helm]

I know we already have this feedback section. But the devs could occasionaly do polls on like twitter, disocrd and ask simple quetion regarding the stuff like research and shit. I say this because there just so much to read here so using simple poll they could get a more simple and focused feedback or something

[formal oyster]

Could take example on say Genshin who did some feedback surveys with in-game rewards for people completing it. It's a good incentive.
Although that'd require a dedicated team to review those feedbacks I guess, and I do not know if the AL dev is willing or even can do such thing, so I might just be throwing a rock in the well here.

[copper nest]

Last feedback survey with in-game reward went really well

Nothing changed

[slate monolith]

Yeah, but that's not Mannjuu there that's Mihyo there for that.

[formal oyster]

I know

[hasty mountain]

they are absolutely not free, they take a lot more time than others to complete, it's just a different resource
yet the payout is garbage

[acoustic helm]

i think he meant the basic researches

[cloud sable]

personally from my experience, spamming coin researches is fully sustainable, as long as you run 2x10hr comms, and I even manage to get large coin surpluses (like 150k-200k) in about a week and a half prior to an event
that said, bringing a second slot imo is just too much, even if you just did Q research its not sustainable, heck, as i said a few days ago, ive been basically only doing Q research for the past few months and now im already down to around 300 T1 AA plates, and overall less T1 plates than T3 plates (other than for aux plates)
so what would happen is that the second slot would basically be stuck doing the actually free research, which wont really help much in terms of PR progression because you wont get alot from it.
plus, in the long term, it doesnt fix the fundemental issues of PR being hard for people to catch up on.
Maybe instead have something like a PR research queue? for people who dont have time to constantly login? Along with extending catchup as i mentioned before, i think new PR seasons should still be resource intensive but in exchange older PR seasons should progressively get more catchup, as new PR seasons get released, to make them easier

[hasty mountain]

the 6h blue / 8h purple / 12h gold researches? it's those I'm talking about as well

[acoustic helm]

yea, 2nd reseach slot is a big no....i need my oil to level my ships

[cloud sable]

yea, and since theyre "free" in terms of resources it makes sense that they give worse than comparable stuff which costs resources
like you cant expect 12hr free to give the same as a 8hr 8k coin research

[formal oyster]

Down on T1 plates ?
But yeah, I agree that at the very least, former PR seasons should be made more accessible once a new season hits. Although... I'm not sure how that would be balanced seeing as new players would immediately get the benefit of having faster PR grind compared to people that have been grinding them for a year. Maybe not that fair. Not that I'd care personally, but maybe it would bug some people.

[acoustic helm]

Nerezza, whats ur opinion about making rng bps universal for pr1 and 2 seasons when pr4 drops? that'd speed up research i think

[cloud sable]

yea

[hasty mountain]

I can expect a 12h to give more BPs than a blue coin research which it barely does, while heavily tied to rng

y'all underestimate the value of time as a resource

[formal oyster]

Especially when this whole PR debacle is about time more than anything else

[cloud sable]

not too sure about that, it would be nice though, but not sure if its "too" generous

[formal oyster]

Also gib resource gift, I can't let Nerezza like this

[shut harbor]

How are you so low on those plates? I ran a ton of parts research too to finish both UR guns and I still have well over 10k+ of each type. Another thing though is if people are only doing parts research then it's no wonder that people can't catch up on blueprints.

[cloud sable]

im just gonna give as a reference, i have 2 triple 234s (7 HPFCRs) and , a twin 457, and 26 rudders , and i have all ships dev30 (and FS5, or FS5 ready), i also have enough for PR3 fate sim
i do alot more research than the average person, im just saying that if I can run low on plates running research with 1 slot, then if you add a second slot, alot more people are gonna run into the same issue

[acoustic helm]

share what research pattern you follow...like the ones you do the most..and also how do u manage the resource for that if possible

[cloud sable]

I personally go any DR face research > 30min (non DR-face) research > 1hr H > 1hr Q >= G412 > 2.5hr G / 2.5hr face
but rn im just running 30min Q > 4hr Q > 2hr Q > 1hr Q >= G412 >= 2.5hr researches since i dont need more ship bps

[acoustic helm]

hmm, how often should i do 1 hour blue H research if i am not whaling for cube and trying to stock up? rn i got 400 something cube and generally i avoid all cube research except the gold 30min one.

[cloud sable]

400-500 cube is when i start doing them, but you can swap the order to 1hr Q >= G412 > 1hr H if youre low on them

theyre just basically being used for resets anyways

[copper nest]

more than 1 refresh pls

[eternal bronze]

sounds like what happended to WoWs

sus

i remember that survey months ago

even mentioned it before

sad that it was just for show i guess

[thorny stump]

The developers are slowly making progress and Rodney is a good addition.
But it would be nice if more ships can get their oath skins.
Eg Amagi, Mutsu, Taiho, Shou/Zuikaku Bismarck, Deutschland, Helena, Sis Sara, Essex, Warspite and the Queen.
OMG I want to marry the queen in her dress so bad!
Also classic ships ... do u know that for EN game when u first start, the very first ship u encounter is Norfolk?
I always hav a promise ring in my inventory reserved for when Norfolk has her oath skin ready.

[small girder]

Yes amagi oath skin pls

[ornate basin]

@small girder @thorny stump we do not take skin requests under any condition.

[arctic siren]

That depends on the artist as well

Liduke (amagi artist) probably won't come back given how he focuses on AK so much lately

[copper nest]

Then get someone else to do it, they can't have that much power over game content lol

[ornate basin]

we can move on from a discussion that originated from asking for skins (which we dont accept)

[blazing heart]

Umm not really, I can't afford cube research, still got Drake to dev29, but only 28 Drake gun prints...and since I can't do H-research I've been running Q whenever there was no good face research
I admit that I was a little late to PR3 though, only really started playing a lot mid July (With Aurora Noctis where we got Perseus etc) and started PR3 like September, but still

[raw quest]

[velvet adder]

i think a lot of people getting almost dev 30 drakes this time without focusing was due to the single DR and being able to use more event prints on them, (maybe a good idea to double the DR prints in store too when theres 2 DR's in the current season)

[scenic flower]

I bet nobody got dev30 Drake while having dev30 Azuma & FDG.

[velvet adder]

I did but i admit im probably way above average in terms of dumping resources into research (i dont have fate 5 in fdg or azuma or drake though i dont have more than 1 or 2 prints left over)

[copper nest]

Following Nerezza, as another reference. Started playing shortly after swirling cherries initial run lack of ships is because I ignored pr grind for like 8 months or so because I heard it's end-game content xd
But I have UR gun from pr2, done mostly grand donations, faces and 3 cube research, sometimes rigging if there were no good options
UR from pr3 is 13/50 (and I'm probably going to ignore pr4 until I get it, unless pr4 will offer something better), whole 2 staags, 5 seattle guns, 2 chesh gun, 5 fdg guns, 1 sextuple aa, 1 high standard fire control radar, 2x twin 114 for dds, 2 roon guns, 2 nep guns (not counting crafted guns from gear lab), 2 izumo guns, 2 champ guns, 11 rudders (not every one through research ofc), 1 saint louis gun, like 2 up to 3 ryuuseis purely through research, 3 monarch guns and more stuff but it's not really relevant (as if monarch gun is xd)
enjoy the data for analysis or something, in terms of gear I'm quite satisfied (maybe not with staags)

Hopefully it will be useful 🙂

I wish devs and decision makers would communicate more with us (with every region and not through obscure way of random twitter comments)

oh and blanks, 5 dr pr3 blanks, 16 pr1 blanks, 124 pr3 blanks, I will use them I swear!

[crude pasture]

what's with the lack of Roon?

[copper nest]

Not interested in Roon at all

that's why I would like bp exchange even at loss to use those roon bps for something else

[muted lintel]

Agree with bp exchange even at loss

Literally not interested in anyone in PR2 except FDG/ Azuma / Georgia

literally sitting on 200 BP of everyone else that wont ever get used

[blazing heart]

Sad Roon noises
If you really want to contribute your data, consider submitting your results in this form Restart made: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScY838pyJHsv0TTW5-OttPINcV6upoU5NOMnpy10h1vO5P6wA/viewform?fbzx=-559382142143260230

[copper nest]

Research history would be so useful for this, I'll try to remember to send every result now

[crude pasture]

yeah, I'd actually like logs of most things, be they battle drops, comm results, research results or OpSi drops. Most of those only show up for a moment and would be helpful to be able to look into a log of

oh yeah, rolls too

I do realize that that would probably mean ungodly amounts of data generation though

[hearty crane]

I only keep track of my UL drops...

[velvet adder]

is there any publication of the data from that google doc?

[naive cobalt]

it's on "harass me in DMs" basis

[velvet adder]

[bronze elk]

[naive cobalt]

I wanted to make some public way to access it, but haven't got to it yet

[blazing heart]

~~Making more work for Restart ~~

[hearty crane]

Can I give Restart more work and myself less by just sending my 50 or so screenshots rather than flling a form for each?

[naive cobalt]

sure, they'll make a great confetti after I send them into my shredder

[hearty crane]

As the end of the month approaches, another request for a quick AP burn. Oil got the commission and dorm food. AP you need to shred 6000AP through going to 40AP areas and very likely get 20-40AP in drops in return.

[sinful cloud]

Make it a discount for the oil thing since oil already has its burner

[cloud sable]

I mean one quick way to burn AP at the end of the month is go and enter every map, and just do the meowficer nodes which spawn
you should get rid of like a good portion of your AP that way

[velvet adder]

we have meowfficers now what about Woofficers

everyone knows dogs are better than cats

[chilly bloom]

Can the sort function be fixed so that it correctly shows which ship has the highest stat despite a ship being in formation. Because suruga is definitely not the second ship with highest HP.

[knotty parcel]

Would it be possible to have the Lab Research Switch cooldown reset whenever an action is performed that results in having no ships in active development?

Some time ago I had Ibuki on active research, completed the last remaining phase (Combat Data) but did not Submit it afterwards to avoid acquiring the new ship (due to almost-full dock), and switched to Azuma. Today, I felt comfortable acquiring Ibuki, so I switched from Azuma (which activated the 24-hour cooldown) to Ibuki, Submit'ed the last prerequisite, acquired Ibuki.......and now I have no ability to develop any ship for 24 hours.

Having the game flash the "!" icon on Lab (since nothing is being developed) is just mortifying at this point.

[void schooner]

Well, as you said, switching from Azuma, a ship currently in development, activated the cool down. Completing Ibuki doesn't negate it, unfortunately.

[copper nest]

And he's making feedback so it negates cooldown, not bug report

[void schooner]

Perhaps had you completed Azuma, then switched to Ibuki and finished her, you might have avoided the cool down.

[knotty parcel]

"Perhaps", indeed.

[cursive horizon]

The same thing happened to me not too long ago. I was working on Mainz's EXP until I had the 50,000 coins for Azuma's last research tab. Unfortunately, that left me with an entire day of seeing ❗ because the game literally won't let you switch to a ship when nothing is happening if that timer is active. There's no real point to preventing you from moving to a new ship if there's no ship active.

[blazing heart]

Or at least it could just not show the exclamation mark when you can't do anything

[raw quest]

[velvet adder]

Yeah the cooldown should reset when you finish a ship entirely the 24 hour cooldown is just bad design

[leaden sigil]

any opinions on changing the 10hr exp commission to 4hr or 3hr? still costs 1200oil per use
for me just takes too long to get new ships 1-100 to actually use, like the first 100 levels don't even matter in the game

[kindred vessel]

You're doing it wrong if you're using just the long comms for that. Put them in the dorm AND use long comms AND use OpSi.

[leaden sigil]

always pair 10hr com with dorm, still takes 2-3weeks, can't stick them in opsi for obvious reasons

[blazing heart]

Well if you wanna lvl your ships quickly, farming exp is still the way to go, the game isn't called idle lane (Even though it almost could with recent changes) :P

[kindred vessel]

level them in 12-4 then, can hit 100 in a single day if you're dedicated enough

[leaden sigil]

this isn't #gameplay-help but I'm not sure how you'd take lv70ships to 12-4, it's a 114map, I take them once they're 100 and still struggle to clear

[kindred vessel]

anyway point is, the 10hr comm is fine. If you make it shorter you'd also have to nerf the gold it gives too.

and then it becomes useless

[blazing heart]

Hmm if your vg is below 100 that won't work (without heals), but a single ship you should be able to drag
But yeah what Stormscape said

[inner frost]

7-2 is your best friend until level 100 for most ships
Actually, 7-2 is your best friend forever

[leaden sigil]

idk why you'd need to nerf the gold, the oil cost is the resource exchange, 12k oil either gets converted to 45k gold in 5days or 2-3days either way

[kindred vessel]

gold income is too high then in hours spent.

There's a reason you can't just directly buy gold with oil.

[blazing heart]

And the gold to oil ratio in that comm is actually rather high

[inner frost]

I just want to add, that you can buy 3k coin for 100 gems, and for the same amount of gems you can buy enough oil to run one 10 hour comm. So not sure how smart it would be for them to reduce the time on it

[leaden sigil]

well in that regard polar, 3k coin for 100gems, you can buy 300k in a day and keep going, there is still a timelimit on the com, it's just halved or quartered
and there is a coin cap, you can pass it with the com, but then you'll lose your natural regen if you don't liquidize it fast

[kindred vessel]

It would be a vast inflation of gold income in a game designed around waiting for resources

[pure gyro]

While I understand Vacation Offensive is ending on the 7th. Possibly this could apply for events like this in the future. A check that after player has purchased everything from the event that the notifications do not continue to trigger anymore informing the player they have points to spend. Initially not really an issue but with multiple events going it starts to be a little bit of a bother.

This could hopefully free up processes and functions the game is having to check for/run, as I am still finishing missions to get point for this event even though I have almost 6k excess points which are not necessary. Why are they even still active when I have purchased everything? These should no longer be active as they are essentially useless unless another event is going to use these and my additional points are going to carry over to other said event which uses these points.

[scarlet monolith]

#game-feedback message still no edin to be seen. more charles tho.

[blazing heart]

Actually the notifications inform you that you have missions where you can collect bottles of air...just the button leads you to the shop instead of the missions (Also yeah doesn't make it less obnoxious and as you say in the 2nd message missions should just be removed)

[remote parrot]

I don't know if it is by design or a bug, but it might be better to have the weekly missions not waste items. Such as the Specialized Core items you get through the new Weekly Mission system.

[cursive horizon]

There’s a redundant monthly limit on those points.

[remote parrot]

Currently the Weekly Specialized Cores you get are tied to the Specialized Core event rather then the total you have which is viewable from the shop. Which causes a few of the weekly missions to give you items you can't collect due to the event capping out at 4000 Specialized Cores.

[cursive horizon]

I hit the same message this morning, myself. Hadn’t even realized I’d gotten so many this month.

[remote parrot]

Redundancy is usually not a great thing in my experience. As it often leads to player confusion.

[remote parrot]

Ya. I didn't even know that the weekly missions gave cores that are tied to said event. I was under the impression they were tied to the players grand total.

So I can't collect them now due to this arbitrary limit. If they were tied to the total shown in the shop and that amount had a max amount (much like the oil and coins do) then that would probably be a better solution. Since it would be better telegraphed to the player to then spend some of their specialized cores.

[kindred vessel]

there's only one thing to spend them on so why bother having an overall limit

[remote parrot]

That is also true.

[kindred vessel]

the monthly limit is to time gate UR gacha ships.

[remote parrot]

There are only two UR ships at this time and both are event only bound. So the time gate is pointless to begin with at the current time in the games life.

Non-Retrofit UR ships that is. Since those don't need the Bulins you can buy using the Specialized Cores to Limit break them. They just need the one time special items to fully retro them

[kindred vessel]

it was entire necessary when Shinano was launched so that you could only MLB her immediately if you got lucky

that's the entire point of the time gate

[remote parrot]

Side note: Shinano is OP in PvP. Hope they bring her back. I got crapped on by the RNG gods during that event.

[hearty crane]

IIRC we already get 33% more points than needed, so without limit it really would be pointless, you can just MLB whatever instantly, can just remove the bullin requirement right then... and we already want more use for these points.

Also these weeklies ALWAYS worked like this... they are just annoyingly stuffed in the total so you can't keep them till new month.

"Yay" new system amiright?

[kindred vessel]

people have been asking for more uses for the special cores since they were launched so not gonna happen anytime soon, already been 10 months

[hearty crane]

I mean, we didn't know how many UR per year they would release. Seems they stuck to 2, leaving 16000 excess points per year. If people didn't complain we probably got 3, and never had this "issue" in the first place... nor a 4 year waiting period for Yamato

[remote parrot]

My feedback was more trying to say that it's a little confusing that there is a limit but it's only shown through the Event and side tab rather then through the shop.

Sorry if I wasn't very clear.

[kindred vessel]

how would you even show it on the shop tab without making the implication that it's a hard limit?

[remote parrot]

Two a year? They confirmed that? Bummer if so.

[hearty crane]

No confirmation but the timing fits

[remote parrot]

In mean technically there is a unshown limit on the total of coins and oil the player can gain. Regardless if they can collect from the depots or not.

So I guess my feedback is sorta mute. Sorry.

Gonna move on.

[sinful cloud]

Dont know why they feel the need to gate stuff like this, sure it "worked" for Shitano but nothing else
Another thing is the skills, 2 days per skill thus 4-6 days ,normally, to use a ship properly and the exp amount doesnt even make sense cause its gonna waste any book in the last bit

[kindred vessel]

you can do it without wasting any book XP if you use 1-2 off-colour books.

such as the surely endless amount of blue books you have

[sinful cloud]

Cant

[kindred vessel]

I literally have before so

[sinful cloud]

Even with purple then blue you end up wasting half of the blue

[kindred vessel]

purple

uhhhhhh

[remote parrot]

Ya I wish I could either get more red and yellow books, or get more ships with blue skills. Literally too many red and yellow skills on all ships across the game.

[sinful cloud]

What you want to use only blue to waste even more time?

I meant purple > blue at the end, I do the rest with golds

[kindred vessel]

literally using the wrong terms
No wonder I have no idea what you meant

[remote parrot]

Lol

Anyways gonna duck out. Peace all.

[sinful cloud]

My bad on that part but if I dont want to waste time I wouldnt use others besides gold

But either way, many old features really need an update but seen the complaints for the pr over the years and nothing changed, I doubt we getting those features revamped so pointless to continue ranting

[hearty crane]

This system has literally been used twice and just been dormant inbetween :/ (I can still pull an inst MLB from it if an UR dropped right now). The easiest fix of course would be to just release 3 UR per year as abviously originally intended before the 'backlash' :/

[sinful cloud]

Not meaning the last message to the core thing thats... recently new though a bit dumb

[raw quest]

[blazing heart]

Hilarious how you talk to each other and one person means the "defense" skill book with blue book and the other refers to the T1/T3 skill books as blue and gold

Specialised cores as they are right now just don't really serve any purpose.
Also I don't get who tf complained about not getting a prompt that you won't get anything from collecting those weeklies since the 4k cap is so incredibly easy to hit

[sinful cloud]

Ngl I totally forgot about the book colours, midnight brain at its finest

[viscid moon]

This is just a suggestion, but: What if Specialised Cores could be used to buy DR BPs?

For those who have bought Sandy and Warspite's item and have more than enough for UR Bulins, they can use it to work towards their DR

Thematically it works, Specialised Cores are all about UR stuff, and anyone who plays a lot can get more than they need

[surreal grove]

hey guys. I just got a macbook with m1 chip. I was wondering is it possiable for me to run azur lane on mac
or will they support M1 chip

[modest island]

You should be able to
If you can run mobile version of among us on m1 mac you should be able to run AL

[surreal grove]

But I can’t download it.

Tried App Store but nothing

[modest island]

hmm
cant really help then as i dont have an m1 mac personally
maybe you arent checking the right app store? idk

[surreal grove]

Got it. Thanks.

[kindred vessel]

Yeah you can install iOS Azur Lane no problem that’s how I play Azur Lane at work

[hearty crane]

Wouldn't be surprised someone did seeing someone even suggested not being able to collect these when capped, coin and oil be damned. Fair to say THAT idea got downvoted a LOT.

[kindred vessel]

Reminder that it's just as important to vote down bad ideas as it is to vote up good ones

[golden root]

Can we get a practice room for Meta bosses please?

its fun trying out various comps to find out which comp does more damage but only have 6 opportunities to do it

[hearty crane]

You one-shot her? Cause the only way to max at 6 is 3 assist, 1 one-shot and a 2-shot on your own o_o Edit: Below poster makes a good point.

[obtuse breach]

If you deal more than 50% of her HP on your own run you cant really test it again

[golden root]

that is the case... i wanna try my own comp to 1 shot her and not follow the ones already on YT

[earnest mist]

With pr4 coming, i hope theres a button which let me selects which pr season i wanna go to, so i dont have to cycle through all of them everytime.

I always extra click by mistake :PurinXD:

[velvet adder]

maybe have pr focus be a bit better its a lot more likely now that u only get the 3 guaranteed focus researches and the others will be seasons u dont want

[arctic siren]

Or just remove the rng

How many times have you waited for days for a DR/PR face only for it to give you the minimum amount of blueprints?

[acoustic helm]

Regarding a second research slot I got something I'd like share: how about 2 different research tab, both will have 5 research available. In the first tab 3 out of 5 research should be G/D research and on 2nd tab it should be only gear focus researches. The remaining slots can be any other researches. This way we can earn both pr and gear bp at the same time. This should at least slightly speed up overall bp earning process. What do you people think?

[sinful cloud]

That goes with the other problem of why ppl didnt just want 2 slots, the cost for it would be too much

[blazing heart]

Also doesn't fix the problem I'm about to face: All PR3 ships dev30, 28/50 gun prints
Cuz with rainbow prints the rng is heavy

[acoustic helm]

lets wait a week and see if devs do something while dropping pr4 then

I think the biggest problem of research is the multi-layer rng, reduce it by a reasonable amount and give player more alternative and consistent choice of earning bp is the way to go. Small things like daily bp earning mission that can give 1/2 pr or dr bp, making bps available in general and medal shop daily. Small things like that can really help

[small girder]

You can choose to not do second pr research if your concerns is it double the cost tho

[sinful cloud]

So I would still continue with the problems the current system has

[small girder]

At least it gives you a choice

[bronze elk]

What choice? We need our handouts served on a platter. Give us more rewards for not playing the game!

Btw, more friend slots when?

[sinful cloud]

I love that you keep saying handouts but dont realize that we literally have URs in gacha now that come complete so there's no need for it to even be grindy anymore, lucky that ppl arent saying to just delete the entire system

[fierce sonnet]

If you’d like to wait till a ur gatcha ship comes and powercreeps every single pr ship you can skip the grind entirely

[sinful cloud]

I mean we have Shitano recently, is she gonna get powercrept by Haku already or Haku not be worth the grind? They're shooting themselves in the foot either way with it

(And yes its more worth to wait for a new gacha UR tbh)

And Shining... keep using the EN emote but the first thing I saw you doing was saying your idea here but then downvote that same idea on #collected-feedback, go figure who's the EN

[bronze elk]

Damn you really need to lay off me bro, your efforts would be better served coming up with more.... constructive feedback with regards to improving the research system (which I am obviously all for) just offering a different perspective for the players who want to have some things in this game require even a modicum of effort (trophies wouldn't be trophies if you could just obtain it in a month or two no?)

I can see where you're coming from with UR powercreep given their similar rarities, but nobody is really stopping you from using the other or both of them simultaneously? Its not like you won't ever max the powercreeping UR in question.... unless......

Back to the actual feedback and improvements, along with an increased friend cap we could perhaps give more of a purpose to having friends in game of course

[velvet adder]

Im not really sure personally how throwing a bunch of resources at a wall with a timer is more effort than throwing money into the build pool and being able to use a quick finisher

[bronze elk]

Which is why i mentioned a modicum of effort, coins are always a commodity

[velvet adder]

personally i just think the time gate is too much 3-6 months down the time when u get the dev 30 powercreep is already approaching thats my concerns when it comes to research

[sinful cloud]

more constructive feedback to improve the pr system
You mean like the rework I posted that tried to reuse the existing stuff to be easier while keeping it a bit challenging

[inner frost]

I think the "powercreep" issue should be left out of improving the PR system. The problem that it highlights is that it takes too long for your average player to complete PR ships. And when they complete a ship, it's probably powercrept already. powercrept =/= unusable.
Powercrept or not, all the PR ships are still, really good ships and talking about powercreep does not add anything other than a preference to your personal playstyle

[sinful cloud]

If anything you should be the one taking that advice instead of being "muh handouts" everytime

[raw quest]

[sinful cloud]

Not the effort but the amount of resources thrown, the difference is ridiculous for basically the same thing

[velvet adder]

i hate that powercrept =/= useable argument, i just spent 6 months researching and throwing money at a ship, i dont want to just dip 10k into build and get better ships than it (especially since its current "end game content")

[sinful cloud]

Not saying that they're unuseable cause they're still pretty nice but feels like a slap in the face to do all the work and then get it for nothing (tho this sounds a lot like you said )

[bronze elk]

Its true though, there's no better place for a pleb like me to ask for handouts than here

If its suggestions regarding other aspects of the game that could use an improvement, do refer to my previous comments in this channel

[velvet adder]

I mean if EN was ever due a handout it was the timegaps between PR1 PR2 and PR3 the 4 DR bps was a complete slap in the face, might as well have given nothing (this is the only time i actually remember EN getting ANY handout)

[bronze elk]

Don't let me detract from the discussion otherwise, just feel that there's more to be improved than the research system/loading screens overall

[velvet adder]

Yeah just my two cent about the ENtitled meme I don't feel its that justified and its reddit circlejerk

[sinful cloud]

That I agree, just that the research feels like the bigger elephant so gonna come up more

[inner frost]

Keep in mind that PR ships are ALWAYS available for you (given that you have fleet tech for it), you can't "miss" PR ships, but you can miss gacha ships.
All PR ships as I previous said is, still, powercreep or not, really good, and if you keep focusing on "oh, but they are not the tippy top best of the ships at all times". that's more of an personal issue.
Why care about PR if it gets powercrept? Why care about gacha if PR is always the best? That's why I don't think that powercreep should be brought up in this discusison as it doesn't add anything.

[blazing heart]

Powercreep adds that you get something different in the end than what you thought you would get when you started the development

[sinful cloud]

Think the powercrept issue is that yeah they're always available but by the time you get to use them they're already a bit outdated so goes full circle

[blazing heart]

But my main issue with research isn't the powercreep in the first place tbh

[velvet adder]

I just feel designs of PR ships are designed to be strong ON RELEASE, whether theyre strong when you manage to get them to dev 30 thats a whole different ballpark

[fluid grotto]

juneau been there from day1 and haven't been powercrept

[velvet adder]

It just feels like you'd lose the power at their peak y'know basically putting them in cold storage for a long time

[blazing heart]

The day Juneau gets powercrept is when I finally quit PvP

[velvet adder]

It loses the WOW I got this new ship and it's really strong! when u just go build an NJ from gacha and theyre better

[inner frost]

Because NJ is totally available all year round and FDG wasn't the absolute strongest BB in the game for a really long time?

[fierce sonnet]

If you’d like to wait until the pr ships get powercrept by gatcha ships then you could just skip the entire pr system and save yourself the resources

[fluid grotto]

you can't use 2 nj but u can use nj + fdg btw

[bronze elk]

Hmmm i'd reckon that perhaps certain ships aren't meant to be readily obtainable by everyone

Remember to play at your own pace, game's more enjoyable that way

[fluid grotto]

shocking

[velvet adder]

So some ships just arent meant to be obtainable by the average player ok, sounds like good game design

[raw quest]

permanent content & play at your own pace

[fluid grotto]

that's how event ship works

[sinful cloud]

When you have to no life/whale for smth you know its good, ask EA

[arctic siren]

I feel like those who say "newbies just want everything handed to them!" Are the old players who maxed everything and want to derail the suggestions to make sure the devs will never listen and never implement a better catch up so they can keep their dev30 DRs while everyone else struggles

[fierce sonnet]

You put in effort -> you get rewarded that’s how pr system works

[velvet adder]

: researching a ship to clear the game
: researching a ship to oath her (because she's a waifu in your opinion)

just giving my

[arctic siren]

Because reworking the research dooes not benefit those old players with full dev30 roster

[sinful cloud]

You do the dailies -> get cubes -> wait -> get rewarded for the same... that used to work but not anymore

[fierce sonnet]

Yeah let’s give fdg to newbies who are still in world 5

[sinful cloud]

Didnt they give NJ to newbies who are in world 5?

[velvet adder]

I mean they already basically hand out dev 30 monarch on a plate, why not fdg?

[raw quest]

wait for another UR gacha

[velvet adder]

she's only guaranteed to newbies who are in world 5 if they went for the pity

[fierce sonnet]

So what you’re saying is just give everyone a copy of dev30 fatesim5 pr ship?

[velvet adder]

Of course not

[naive cobalt]

I think this discussion isn't really feedback at this point

[cloud sable]

It makes sense to make older PR seasons more accessible anyways since at the rate by which you can complete PRs and how quickly they’re added, it’s just flat out impossible for new people to get them maxed even if they whale.

[sinful cloud]

Guessing that ppl think rework =instant ship, we want it less bs not just take the ship cause like Polar said unlike gacha they're here all year

[raw quest]

[blazing heart]

FdG still has higher dmg ceiling than NJ
Anyway my main complaint about research is just about the time it takes regardless of powercreep. By the time you got all ships and gear the new research season is out already if you're unlucky, if you missed a season atm I don't see a way to catch up and having to do research for some dumb gear that's not even that much stronger than other gear you can get anywhere and getting millions of things you don't need in the process doesn't seem very fun or rewarding to me.

[fluid grotto]

it's more like qq-ing than a feedback

[velvet adder]

Thank you for your feedback that newer players shouldnt be able to catch up and get dev 30 to all seasons Just sounds like gatekeeping research

[blazing heart]

I mean how does whaling even help with research at all? Unless I missed that Akashi sells luck for gems

[cloud sable]

Spamming cubes can get you the ships much faster, iirc the numbers I heard were about 2k cubes for FDG azuma dev30 in 4 months ish

[fluid grotto]

cube research

[fierce sonnet]

You could always cube spam for dev prints but u don’t get equip prints that way

[raw quest]

[obtuse breach]

Does that also include sleep or nah?

[cloud sable]

Not sure it’s just the numbers I heard from CN

[obtuse breach]

So probably 1h naps between research

[blazing heart]

Ah well yeah not helping the gear department any

[fluid grotto]

it's a 2 man works, one sleepand another clicking research

[fierce sonnet]

Blue cube projects aren’t always guaranteed every time

[arctic siren]

Still gated by rng because of random researches

Imagine going days without seeing a specific PR face

[velvet adder]

I mean the rng bascially evens out after doing that many researches

[cloud sable]

Oh yea defintely, but still less gated than normal, which is what I meant

[arctic siren]

True

[muted lintel]

I mean even faces researches kinda suck

not trying to complain or anything but getting 2 fried print out of 8 hours search sucks dicks

[naive cobalt]

this is 100% not feedback
move to #al-general

[fluid grotto]

can we have more preload ship pl0x?

[copper nest]

When strongholds will have higher priority over hidden zones and abyssal zones?

[cloud sable]

None of them have any priority, it’s just the newest thing to spawn on the zone goes on top

[copper nest]

So you know, I'm asking for priority 🙂

[autumn fox]

would make sense to always show strongholds since you can find everything else from Storage (hidden and abyssal) or Information (missions), but i thought this was already the case

[sinful cloud]

Think someone said it here already but would be nice if the hidden loggers didnt open right as you get them

[velvet adder]

Id prefer if the loggers weren't random sometimes and were always just "IV, V or VI", I always get those blank rainbow abyssal loggers from missions and they come out as IV (gold) 95% of the time

[velvet adder]

do what it is making you happy now and dont worry whats in the future you could be dead tomorrow

[small girder]

What if i already ded inside

[neon siren]

How is this gamefeedback

[covert temple]

How about adding a "vault" system?

It would work as a additional storage for coins and oil so when you are about to cap but don't want to spend your resources you can just put them there so your resources go low and you can still collect it all freely. Then at any point when you need those resources, you can just retrieve what you need from the vault and done

Just a little QoL improvement for those who like to horde resources before big events

[blazing heart]

Where's the difference to a raised oil and coin cap?

[sinful cloud]

Differece being you need to use them with the raised cap, with the vault you can store for later withour using

[covert temple]

Other than what TNT said... It's just that ability to build up a big big stack overtime. If I have 120k coins just sitting there I feel pressured to use them to go back to collecting coins and I'm much more willing to just waste them on retrofits and other stuff that I will just never use

[blazing heart]

I fail to see both of your points, if the vault has a cap, it's just the same as raising the cap by whatever cap the vault has, if it doesn't have a cap it's the same as removing the cap

Except with more clicks

[sinful cloud]

Guess that removing the cap would do the same, both soft and hard

[covert temple]

I mean that's kind of the thing... The vault shouldn't have a cap so potentially you can build a massive stack overtime. I went with that idea because I just don't see them going "here there isn't cap anymore" because they added a increase to the soft caps with the guild upgrades so they clearly want those caps to exist

[frigid swan]

We all know how the devs like adding even more things to click

[cloud sable]

i doubt theyll just remove the cap tbh, like i agree it would be nice, but they probably dont want people to be able to stockpile as much as they want, they want people to actively play and whale when they run out because they dont have enough stored

[sinful cloud]

Dont the guild upgrades increase only the hard caps?

[cloud sable]

it only increases soft cap
hard cap (600k gold, 25k oil) cant be increased

[covert temple]

Yeah but there are several people with 400k+ coins... I'm not one of them but I feel sorry for them as well as everyone's else who saves hard before an event

[sinful cloud]

Ah, misunderstood it then

[cloud sable]

I personally save 200k+ prior to events so yea ik

[covert temple]

I mean it's just a suggestion, they will almost certainly not implement it but I just thought it could be neat

[blazing heart]

I wish I was capable of not spending all my coins immediately all the time

But tbh I think the vault is just a more annoying version of a removed soft cap lol

[covert temple]

Imagine not having compulsive instinct to use up all yours resources at once

[frigid swan]

At some point you will run out of retros then its a lot easier to not spend them

[covert temple]

Unfortunately there is always some random gear that begs you to be +10... That's why I have so little purple prints all the time

[frigid swan]

Maybe im alone in this but i ran out of those at some point

[blazing heart]

Nah you're not alone...but that's not what I'm spending my coins on...but anyway we're going off topic

[hallow nexus]

can we get rid of the healing tag for siren abyss?

[hearty crane]

This is just false, they have a listed order

Also on the PR I think we should just wait till July 8. They can't change their plans now, and if they account for all this stuff our shirflinging was just a waste of everyone's time. Of course if they don't change, we can sling all the shit they deserve... but with facts, not speculation

Also regarding the last #collected-feedback that's just the Prototype shop, added since before pr3. But they just want better rates. No need to reinvent the wheel (and add another damn shop, the UI can't even handle tje current ones) to alter rates though.

[copper nest]

not really, that change would remove requirement to dev 30 someone to exchange bps, big plus but yeah no need to reinvent the wheel, just add that possibility

[cloud sable]

Unless its changed within the last 3 weeks, its always been that the most recent thing to spawn on that map will be on top. I personally have never seen any such priority order

[hearty crane]

People keep wanting here to focus on one PR ship and avoid the rest, but I really get the intention the devs never intended for that to be a thing. Open PRs are just intended to fill the gaps. I think some might try to force a square peg in a, by design, round hole there. I do agree with several other complains of course.

[hearty crane]

Try finding a stronghold then on monday on an iconfilled map. IIRC the order is abyssal > hidden > stronghold > secured > explorable

[cloud sable]

ive seen strongholds stacked on top of hiddens before so
and i would, but i dont have any coords rn (or strongholds)

[copper nest]

even at atrocious rate it's better to get something than having hundreds of useless bps ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty crane]

Well if you do feel free to make a screenshot of it then. They did mention JP got a revised order but that patch literally changed nothing for us. Can't speak for JP...

[sinful cloud]

Feels like thats the order for me but knowing Opsi, wouldnt be surprised if it "worked" too

[indigo blade]

Decrease the help time to global for Meta fights, wait half an hour to beat a 1 million hp boss with a meme fleet that only deals 80k per fight is not viable. 26 minutes to...i dunno, 15, 10 minutes

[velvet adder]

letting people see fleets was a mistake

not the first time i get this btw

[slate shoal]

Is there any potential for Monthly Reward girls being added to the permanent construction pools, or possible return?

[cursive horizon]

Can you report players in the guild chat? I think you can during the world chat, but I dunno from the guild screen. That really isn't acceptable, at least to me.

[velvet adder]

nah he added me as a friend and i removed after this

[cursive horizon]

Aaah, okay. Still not cool, though. Sorry you had to experience that.

[muted rampart]

why

[spark abyss]

you can only earn 4k specialized cores a month

it has always been in place, but you might've not seen the notification as much

[supple parrot]

Do you guys think that commissions shouldnt have only 4 fleets to commission? Like instead dispatch fleets based on how many ships you put, like you can only dispatch 24/24 ships so you can dispatch more commissions or something

[acoustic helm]

Hmm, more comms would def. be nice. But not gonna hope for too much

[supple parrot]

True just thought it was a nice idea

[uncut bobcat]

ah we need that

[hasty mountain]

here's something this game needs

[paper idol]

Give more reward? Or conversion to coin or oil after caps

[uncut bobcat]

[velvet adder]

i can't really read what the name is

or means

[kindred vessel]

non-latin character names are blocked for new renames, ones currently named with Kanji weren't forced to change

with regards to Helena-chan, that's because it's a ship name so it's blocked.

wait no it's the dash I think

[sinful cloud]

They would have been better without any censor, its a joke either way

[velvet adder]

I mean the fact you cant name Essex "Essex" because it contains a censored word kinda shows the system is too sensitive when it comes to renaming

[sinful cloud]

Most ive seen complained about is Strasser because of ass

[blazing heart]

Also all the people trying to rename Cassin (retrofit) to Cassin
But yeah the censor is annoying and stupid in pretty much every regard. Not like it matters much for the chat though since the chat is perfectly unusable either way

[cursive horizon]

And yet you still see people with ship names like PhucYu and TiddiWaifu. Neither of which I wanna see, so I keep custom names disabled no matter how much I wanna rename Z46 to Weiss.

[hasty mountain]

just remove word censors, fucking stupid garbage idiotic concept

[eternal bronze]

Zeppelin also gets censored by some reason

[dapper vector]

Has someone suggested Editable opacity for Skill use in battle?
The New Shinano and NJ avatar are way too obstructive for manual play

[eternal bronze]

yes me and many people did

but we should keep pushing it if we want to change something

[winter hearth]

I think something should be changed. It's overfilled. Give more ways to spend all this currencies. For example, you can buy PR and DR BPs, or gold, or Oil etc. in the shop of Akashi or another extra shop.
And do something with Intel. You need 180 180 144, but you can reach this on the second day after restart, and 400+ Intel is normal for the end of month. For example: more Intel - better drop.

[copper nest]

Maybe you're just playing a lot, like.. A LOT? But this time you proposed extra stuff, not stupid stuff like requiring more adaptability for current enemies, yeah that's fine +1

@tardy arch

[tardy arch]

dw, the spammer is gone.

[velvet adder]

my new girlfriend

[surreal grove]

I’m no t sure if develop team can see this or not. But allow Azur lane to be able to run on M1 Mac.

[north wave]

can it run bluestacks?

[unreal hollow]

have some kind of infinity purchase in event shops for when the other items run out. even if its just like 1 coin per event currency it would be something. i have almost 14K bottled beach air and nothing to spend it on and the event is on for another week still

[hearty crane]

I tested it once and "pelin" is the offensive word. Your guess is as good as mine wtf that even means as word.

[hearty crane]

On the other hand, casuals will need to play a LOT more if the store gets feeded enough to sate this one person. And most already complain OPS takes too long (somehow), and boy do we not need more store RNG (though having if filled for the month instead of 2 weeks would be nice I suppose).

Myself: I got 250-250-160 adaptability. There's unbought in the store though (since useless), don't bother buying them from Akashi anymore, obviously don't spend vouchers since worthless. Maybe if you keep buying even if useless? But why?

[copper nest]

I don't do opsi nearly as much as this guy so idk, something extra is still deserved? more r6 coords in exchange for vouchers idk

Well this or just.. don't do opsi that much xd

[winter hearth]

I just spend all AP without buying this for oil, so I guess everyone can receive so many resources if only spend all AP. With Auto Search it's easy enough

[copper nest]

not everyone has time to do this (yes even on auto, you need to change zones, etc. it's not like it will burn 52198521825189 ap after one button press over some time, you need to take part)

[hearty crane]

If only. Burning AP at the end of the month is such a pain in the ...

[copper nest]

this month I was super lazy regarding opsi and did only like 3 strongholds and barely any abyssal zones, but usually it's still close to 300 not over 300

[winter hearth]

Not everyone has time to farm 50K to receive DR BPs. I mean, it should not be a huge disbalance, but if you spend whole AP, you should receive more resources as somebody who spend only the half. That's what I want to suggest, to give some advantages for those people, who can farm

[copper nest]

don't you already get extra? extra materials, gear designs, parts, with some luck regarding cats even ur gear designs (and exp xd)

[winter hearth]

And I got this. What should I do with this? Nothing. If we could buy BPs, at least, PR = 500 Hexagons, DR = 1000 Hexagons, it would be already much better. And if after receiving 188, 188, 144, all Intel would be transfer to Hexagons or to exchange currency, it would be much better, than having overcap of Intel you don't even need

[copper nest]

Someone responsible for this game decided that "this much items from port shops is max you can get per month and this much items from exchange shop is max you can get per month, finito, but you can farm zones for some extras if you wish to"

[winter hearth]

Or buying T3 and T4 plates for Hexagons, in an extra shop like event shop, this would be also a good idea

[hearty crane]

I mean, we also got excess Quick Finishers, excess Cognitive Chips, excess Yamashiro event points, excess T1 and T2 plates, excess retofit blueprints. There's a lot of stuff that's fairly useless ingame after a certain point.

[crude pasture]

t2 aux plates are an exception there

[undone hull]

Pretty sure everyone constantly running out of cog chips would also disagree.

[narrow sage]

people complaining about excess OP siren currently overlook that they're converted to tickets at the end of the month. Now the argument for more stuff in said ticket shop.....

I'm not against some carry over of apative stats once they get past a certain point, maybe allow people who get that high to skip past the "building them up yet again" point some.

[golden cape]

Shouldn't the Scharnhorst class be in the BB category and have heavy armour instead of medium?

[high pond]

Pelin = of the game

[hearty crane]

You kinda risk then getting base stats and then offer the same bonus from the maps and shops simply allows infinite run of this bonus as long as you just reach this arbitrary limit once.

[scenic osprey]

Add layers to the OpSi map so we can see stuff under all the logger flags.

[velvet adder]

Opsi seems about right with the difficulty i do feel it should drop more gold plates for the time i spend in that hell doing it all day

i agree with what polter said that do end up with a ticket surplus after a while (the things u can buy with tickets honestly arent super good anyway) maybe sell blank gold plates so i can choose them like guild shop

[acoustic helm]

Also please allow us to do explorable stages infinite time, I'd rather to them instead of going to secure zone again and again in end of month when I always have so much AP left to burn even with doing all abyssal and stronghold.

[hearty crane]

I mean if you can do explorable stages infinite times why even bother with secured, they are superior in every way. But yeah, going around secured sucks, cleaning explorable stages is where the fun is, and that expires around 1/4th of the reset timer :/

[undone swift]

×4 speed

[narrow sage]

As it stands the whole thing is pointless to serious OpSiren grinders either way, hence all the complaints here. I was just try to suggest things that didn't mainly benefit the complainer alone (when a typical western player complains about something it's usually about themselves with little through of the bigger picture), and I am not just talking AL, but my experiences in other online games.

[hasty mountain]

make it so it keeps giving diminishing buffs past the 188 cap, then maybe we won't see feedbacks about the siren heal anymore
two birds with one stone

[pearl saddle]

what issue is there with siren heal? too strong?

also i dont see why you wouldnt just add a shop or expand its inventory so players can use their surplus of tokens/currency.
just make the purchasable items not too good or make them more expensive

[golden cape]

People still complaining about Siren Heal?

[pearl saddle]

dont have to be a huge grinder to buy everything and still have a surplus

[odd beacon]

More like people not knowing how to deal with it.

[arctic siren]

Well yes, because it's really frustrating when paired with another ability

[golden cape]

I think people are just not running strong enough fleets if I am being honest

[pearl saddle]

yeah

i have no clue what abilities the sirens have im facing

[golden cape]

I have never had a problem with a healing Siren ever

[pearl saddle]

just engage all fleets and its dead

[odd beacon]

There's a strat to just get her to 30% hp, leave the battle before the heal triggers, then roll in with a TRP oriented boss fleet and steamroll her. The heal will trigger at the start and you'll have the whole fight to kill her. It's really easy that way no matter what the other augments she has.

[fierce ember]

bcs of how hard the game divided the top dps performance of milion damage per round and how most of players deal around 100-300k
too easy for ppl who actually build stuff
too hard for mid-tier players

[eternal bronze]

the thing about the siren heal is that it just turns them into bullet sponges

nothing really challengeful i guess?

just make people lose more of their time at bosses

[pearl saddle]

well should mid-tier players be able to clear everything in OP? the levels are higher than w13 although no real AA threat but it still kinda endgame content

[eternal bronze]

rather than being harder

[pearl saddle]

i dont think you should be able to clear everything when you still arent a late/endgame player

because if you can then the content is just too easy

[eternal bronze]

and about OP S being a late game content its cleary not

you can clear it easily with 2 lvl 120 fleets

just sortie

repair

[pearl saddle]

well wouldnt that already be a lategame player?

depends on your definition

thats 12x level 120 ships which for me personally looks like lategame already

[eternal bronze]

du know about that you can farm easily today

when OP S launched i hadn't even touched W13

[fierce ember]

as i said before,sure,not for you
not everyone can pass the DPS check (which is more or less 30%+ hp per round) which caused all of this,having a hard limit on 5-7%(with 90% of them being event limited or time sinks) of all ship pull to just pass that wall is not what everyone can do

[eternal bronze]

was around lvl 90 i think and made through without any major problems

[eternal bronze]

thats not what i meant tho

thing is its cleary not a good thing for the game

but i guess the devs did this on purpose

with that they can create a character with healing debuff skills

which doens't seem too bad tbh and i think thats what they have in mind

[sonic jackal]

We should be able to sort dock alphabetically

[eternal bronze]

also

dont click on the link above

its a scam

[wary glacier]

It feels like the obtaining of rainbow BPs (ships and equipment) are very slow and the current existing method of obtaining them only yields 1-2 BPs (for ships) and usually getting none for the equipment.

I think it would be really good a method of obtaining them was added to the weekly reward system. So maybe at 1000 pts, replace the 2 gold BPs with 1 rainbow BP that gives you a choice between an "Any" ship or Equipment rainbow BP (you can only choose ship or equipment, not both). Or make it so that the quest can only be completed once all other weeklies are completed.

It would help both veterans and newbies alike, as rainbow BPs are something that basically everyone lacks.

[velvet adder]

yeah i feel like they could add more side rewards at further points, doesnt need to be coins or oil it can just be normal game resources

[wary glacier]

I think adding things that people actually need (rainbow BPs) would be a MASSIVE incentive to continued playing

Even if it was just 1, like I suggested

[velvet adder]

yeah bps added to more things would be nice would cut the rng away

[wary glacier]

But still

It's very difficult to dev 30 the DR ships, and to even get 1 rainbow equipment via BPs is extremely daunting

I think some sort of stable income (1 per week, decide between equip or ship) is very good

Since basically everything else has a stable source

Oh wait, hold on. Has the maximum amount been reduced to 1025 per week?

Because I swear I got 1500 pts before, or maybe I was just high

If that's the case, then I'll amend my suggestion

[gentle zephyr]

If you mean when you do the weeklies, apparently they stop existing when you reach 1000 points

[velvet adder]

yeah as soon as you go over the 1000 it removes them so you dont see or have to claim any more

[wary glacier]

Then yeah, so once you reach 1000, replace the gold BPs with my suggestion

[hasty mountain]

maybe add another tier above? since right now we basically finish weekly missions in a matter of hours and it feels like a waste that there are so many weekly tasks we don't even touch

[crimson hornet]

Probably a 1000 ppl have already mentioned this before me but can the OpSi Supply Shop be improved? As of now, it is absolutely useless for players who "actually play" OpSi tbh. Maybe add some more stuff like PR/DR BPs? Even resources like oil (or some more gold) will be appreciated.

[high vine]

I hate the Siren Reset. I lost 5000 SpecialOperationcoins because there was only useless Stuff in the Shop near the End, but now after the Reset all the Goodstuff appeared but the Money is gone. Why should i care about something thats so annoying? I can't farm enough to buy the Goodstuff in time.

[kindred vessel]

the shop has a set 150 items list. You need to buyout the shop to actually see the good stuff.

[crimson hornet]

Well, it isn't like the stuff is going to disappear even if you don't buy it the first reset. You can buy it in the 2nd or 3rd reset if you dont want to clear OpSi on the first day.

[viscid moon]

A reminder to everyone, that Sub fleets > Siren Heal

[viscid moon]

It's a legit suggestion... A lot of people neglect the sub fleet then complain about siren heal

[obtuse breach]

i dont think i ever used subs in OPS, none of the bosses are hard enough to require manual

[viscid moon]

WEll, if that's the case you don't have a problem with siren heal

And my point is moot for you lol

[kindred vessel]

Okay but what does this have to do with the purpose of this channel, this is #game-feedback not #gameplay-help

[viscid moon]

Because I don't think siren heal is a problem because the tools to beat them is given to you

[crude pasture]

I struggle with C6 zombies, particularly if they have the %HP shield every 20s, but that is in large part because my fleets are not yet fully at 120

[modest island]

Even with lvl 120s if your fleet comps are scuffed then you will be screwed

[hasty mountain]

Well the thing with the zombie heal buff is that it's the only one where you can actually lose progress in the fight
I field some pretty OP fleets on operation siren so I can just throw fleets 2 through 4 at the boss and be done with it in a few rounds regardless of whatever skills it has. I am not representative of the entire operation siren playerbase. For every one of me there are many many many more players using less optimized and less leveled fleets who manage to get by because they can repeatedly throw all their fleets at the boss and make progress, however big or small it is, and then suddenly feel cockblocked by RNG when it decides to spawn a zombie siren which cannot be beaten by steady progress alone. Maybe they flat out can't outdamage the heal and have to give up, maybe they can just barely beat it and suddenly it becomes more stressful than it should be as they chip away at the boss 5% of their health bar at a time over 6 extra battles, and god forbid one of their fleets underperform suddenly whatever progress they made before is instantly undone. That's where the siren heal complaints come from

[sinful cloud]

That skill is the reason why I like rainbow loggers to be C4s, why have so much trouble for the same crappy rewards

[worn ore]

Yeah, I don’t like the heal for the aforementioned reasons. If I encounter a boss with the heal, I just leave

[small girder]

FIX L2d OF VV SWIMSUIT

[hearty crane]

#bug-reports but be sure to actually mention what is wrong, cause nobody knows right now.

[small girder]

Dont think it was a bug, the chest animation is fine before certain update. Probably intended

[acoustic helm]

Please Stop taking away adaptive stats everytime operation siren reset. I play hardcore opsi all month, but waiting to grind the adaptive stats to 188/188/144 everytime is just bullshit. and if possible stop taking away the heal and AP crates as well, it really feels like shit when I earn so much stuff and it gets taken away for no fking reason. At least compensate for the AP crate and heals as well

[undone swift]

Make the sub weeklies became one of the dailies for certain days instead of 2 times a week.

6 times a week would be nice

[fervent junco]

Might want to change this pattern

[kindred vessel]

I get a chuckle out of that every time tbh

[fervent junco]

Personally, I don't care. However the world has turned into a crybaby for the past 10 yrs.

[kindred vessel]

Yostar can just say "fuck you is cultural" though

[sinful cloud]

Shame they dont gain brain cells by whinning, thats suppose to be a whirpool but cant do much better with square tiles

[kindred vessel]

well technically a reverse whirlpool?

[sinful cloud]

Probably

[eternal bronze]

inb4 they give more attention to this "issue" than actually fixing PR for EN

[kindred vessel]

PR works fine on JP obv EN just complainers

[small girder]

PR is fine

[stone valley]

me who's been playing since may 2019 and stuggling with pr2:

[kindred vessel]

that's the joke

[stone valley]

i have been woooshed

[kindred vessel]

JP and CN had an extra 6 months with PR2

that EN didn't get

[stone valley]

PR2 came out 6 months earlier?

[kindred vessel]

for CN and JP yes

[stone valley]

[crude pasture]

Some face researches do give eq bp tho, iinm?

Usually getting the gold equipment isn't really a concern tho, those are kinda a byproduct while you farm the PR ships

Why do you not care about the ships tho

See the only reason I wouldn't care about a ship is if it's neither bad nor attractive, which does not apply to any of the PR ships

I will admit that the latter is subjective

[south sequoia]

While you have a point and your feedback is acknowledged, I gotta say, the entire central focus of the PR system is, well, the PR ships. The equipment is an added bonus to the system, but the primary focus is the ship collab with World of Warships.

@green iron Please do not leave such emote responses on other people's feedback. Thank you.

[hearty crane]

Q man, focus on the Q then.
You know, as you're already supposed to do if you only want the gear?

Also not getting all the pokemon girls seems kinda counteractive in a "gotta lewd catch them all" type of game.

[topaz otter]

I looked at what's going on here and I think you actually didn't notice they did mention something about Qs but that might just be me

Auto-Call Subs on boss only?

As it is now the fuction is hardly useful in my opinion

[hearty crane]

There's a #collected-feedback on that, you should upvote it!

[topaz otter]

thanks I just noticed

[hearty crane]

Alledgedly there are reports we get 150 prints for FdG AND Azuma, besides the 300 for the DRs? If so, it would be insane NOT to give us FS, that alone is just 65 a piece prints away from maxing out their fate sims. And I say this as someone 33 prints away from Dev30 them, playing since dec2019. According to the screens it doesn't look the prototype shop is updated to offer PR3, and I wouldn't even want to risk converting those prints anyway. But maybe I am being premature now for once.

[topaz otter]

I don't really see how it's insane given most players don't have dev20 DRs, let alone close to dev30

[crude pasture]

The 300 are for PR not DR

[hearty crane]

According to a (translation of a ) weibo post it's 300 amongst the PR, 150 for FdG and 150 for Azuma. With so many it really would be strange not to get our DR Fate Sims.

[bold pier]

Something regarding about the new PR system, specifically the focused research:

It states that a ship's research won't appear anymore, if you have that ship...

1. on dev30 and FS5
   or
2. on dev30 and FS not started yet.

Which means that if you have started FS for a ship, but are not finished with it yet, that ship's research can and will still appear, right?
I think, that's a bit annoying. That feature is great for increasing the chance of DR researches to appear. If you, like me, have started FS for all PR2 ships, but are still quite far away from finishing these, you don't get that benefit.
I think it should be optional, if you want researches of a ship that you have on dev30 to appear or not, regardless if you have FS not started yet, are in the middle of it or have it already finished.

[hearty crane]

That is ontop the PR2 training (those XP boosters you can swap to prototype cores, and give a few BPs too).

[raw quest]

permanent content guys & play at your own pace 👍

[bold pier]

I just think it's a bit unfair for people who have already started with FS. Someone, who has all PR2 ships on dev30 and not started a single FS yet, will have a much higher chance of getting those juicy FDG or Azuma researches. Meanwhile someone, who has started all of these FS (and is therefore a bit more advanced in research), will still get flooded with Gasco, Kita, Seattle and Georgia researches. I would like to prioritise getting more DR prints higher than getting FS done for the PRs.

[pearl saddle]

thats just being ignorant to players who want to catchup and invest the time but literally dont get enough DR prints from the game while they keep releasing more of them

[paper idol]

Be alarm clock warrior for full benefit

[pearl saddle]

if the only solution you can give is to tell players to set alarm clocks to wake up and continue doing researches to catchup thats just a bad system

were not asking to be spoonfed DR prints so ours are dev30 in a couple months

[obtuse breach]

i mean, thats what i did, and im almost fully caught up to PR's even though i started late

[pearl saddle]

literally cant catchup unless i do 1h cubes researches all the time and drain them

already 400 DR prints behind on FdG and Drake who are in different PR's and now 2 new DR's are being released

[hearty crane]

And we get this massive PR catchup and research changes.

[pearl saddle]

you caught up with Azuma, FdG and Drake?

[obtuse breach]

pr3 is done, FDG is dev28, azuma is dev26 (but i dont care about a worse drake) and all others are dev30

[cinder stirrup]

Why would you care about worst NJ then

[bold pier]

Okay folks, not like this is the right channel for this, but neither is Drake a worse Azuma, nor is NJ a worse FDG.

[pearl saddle]

thats not really close if you still need like 400 prints with the only source being event prints and occasional rewards if your research focus is set to PR4

[paper idol]

Use bot then, auto collect auto start research

PR is like the most timegated content ever

[pearl saddle]

you got anything meaningful to say?

[paper idol]

Even META is not this bad

[pearl saddle]

use bot

[ornate basin]

please keep your feedback and comments constructive, thank you

[topaz otter]

Please make PR less of a timegate and more of a hybrid timegate with optional grind to speed it up system then

[paper idol]

The constructive part is you guys should build it into the game

Like auto search, auto fight

Literaly a bot but built into game

[strong escarp]

Thank you for releasing the pr4 system, I've been waiting for the longest time to grind ships, get their research prints and more gear. The game needs more content like this

[topaz otter]

Catchups are only a bandaid to an inherently flawed system imo.

At any rate, PR really needs something that will reward you for focusing your effort towards it, like unlocking a research queue through grind, or speeding up researches, or multistage researches with big lumps of rewards or anything similar. At the moment you're at the mercy of luck, which can really go both ways.

[paper idol]

Content that less than 5% player can finish in a year

Very nice

I am cmd lvl 120 with tons of cube coin oil, but still cant finish this,

I wanna throw resource at this so bad

[south sequoia]

I seem to recall the number being higher than that - iirc manjuu tracks PR completion rates among their playerbase.

[paper idol]

Can you provide official number

[bold pier]

I've been playing for more than 1 1/2 years, quite actively too. FDG soon reaches dev27, Azuma dev23, Drake wouldn't even be dev 15 if I had her unlocked. It doesn't need to be sped up in a matter, that you can get them in a very short time, those ships are too strong for that. But I consider myself a long time player at this point. And the fact, that I can't really get hyped for the new DRs, because I probably won't have them finished anytime sooner than in 2 years or something (if I finish the other 3 first), is ridiculous.

[south sequoia]

Not off the top of my head, but the last time I recall it was well over half the playerbase

[paper idol]

What is completion, if it is just unlock

[topaz otter]

Me neither. I literally stopped caring about the DRs because of the unreasonable time frame to max them, and they're just throwing more and more

[paper idol]

Then it is not completion

[bold pier]

I'm sure there are thousands of players running around with a dev15 FDG. They shouldn't really be counted it, but they probably are in this statistic.

[paper idol]

Same situation, but my Drake is 29.8 already

And Azuma at 26

FDG is same as your drake

The unlock part doesnt even need research

[south sequoia]

Afaik it was tied to at least one dev30 ship for the huge percent, and also accounts with more than half of dev30 acquired, but that was quite some time back. Sure, it's not full completion, but that's what the targeted face research changes seem to be designed to address

[topaz otter]

That's not PR completion then, that's just skewed based on a faulty study

[paper idol]

Do you guys seriously think putting even 3 hour per day on this game can get you dev 30 DR in 1 year

[south sequoia]

I mean, that would be me, since I play less than that and I've got both FdG and Azuma at dev30.

[topaz otter]

Especially since dev30 is literally free with catchup blueprints.

[paper idol]

Sure 300 something print for PR is very easy

All my PR 3, PR is 30

But DR is a different story

[south sequoia]

Though admittedly I just finished Azuma since I swapped to finishing PR3's golds before going back to finish the DRs.

[topaz otter]

You shouldn't have to login every 2 hours and 30 minutes to set your research, it's prone to burnout

I'm not saying speed it up but add something like a queue

[bold pier]

Are you often using Cube researches or what's the secret here? I'd really wanna know 😄

[blazing heart]

Do you have stats for acquiring the rainbow gun from research too?
Like how many managed to?

[topaz otter]

Like picking two, or three researches to be done in order

[bold pier]

I think I saw on reddit 9999 cores per BP. If you meant that.

[paper idol]

When did you start then, at the beginning of AL

[south sequoia]

Yeah, I do a lot of cube researches. Honestly, I get the efficiency argument but I personally don't see a point to having >400 cubes (i'm typically more gated by coins for builds) so every excess gets dumped into the PR researches. That and I'm constantly out of medals from buying blueprints from the medal shop.

[topaz otter]

You actually have 400 cubes or more? What kind of utopia is this, because I'm sure playerbase won't relate

Not like it matters for my feedback either way

[bold pier]

Since I'm close to having caught up with the older events, I'm using them more and more these days as well. Doesn't feel to great, but I really wanna get those DRs finally finished.

[south sequoia]

Light builds only outside of events. I dropped to 200 from 400 when the event hit, back to 300 now

[paper idol]

You dont know people who roll 400 and didnt get their ship then

[south sequoia]

That's a shame, but mathematically speaking, it's also a really small population of people.

[topaz otter]

I want to see the math then

[pearl saddle]

if you play for a long time i dont see 400+ cubes as anything special. more impressed you get enough blueprints from MoH shop to be low on those

[bold pier]

Oh, now I get what you meant

[pearl saddle]

although that depends on your luck during events aswell so might differ a bit

[south sequoia]

I can't say I understand the math, but this was the equation floating around during shinano's (and by extension NJ's) event.

[topaz otter]

Like how small the percentage is if you dumped 400 and didn't get your ship five times (events) in a row? Because that's what happened to me and I should have honestly quit already because of that

[paper idol]

It could happen to anyone, thats why people keep a high cube count and avoid going low

[south sequoia]

It worked out to an average of 122 builds to sweep the banner, so the bulk of users would not be needing the full cube value of 400 to get shinano.

[paper idol]

And thats why people are not willing to do cube research unless they are well in the clear

[topaz otter]

URs aren't the problem though, gold ships are

[bold pier]

URs aren't the problem.
Me, who needed the pity pull for both Shinano and NJ:

[paper idol]

Math is for the mass, if it happens to you thats another story

[south sequoia]

AFAIK, you hit the jackpot, basically. You had around the same chances to have to hit pity as you did to roll shinano at any point.

[topaz otter]

For URs you just hit pity
For gold ones you get fucked and can't do anything about it except quit in retaliation

[south sequoia]

So yeah, it does suck if it happens to you, but that...was basically why the pity system exists for those ships

[paper idol]

Shinano is not the point, SSR is

They have no pity

[topaz otter]

which is a negative feedback loop

[south sequoia]

As for the others, you'd basically have less chance of failing than not hitting the 2%.

[topaz otter]

Five events in a row is ridiculous though

[paper idol]

Imagine going over the line for SSR or even SR,

Thats why people dont like spending cube

[topaz otter]

Anyway, please implement a research queue so I don't have to login every two hours to set my research

if I want to be efficient

It gates progress way harder than lack of cubes

[paper idol]

I want to dump resource at this so bad, but I have to be an alarm clock warrior

[topaz otter]

or even RNG now that I think about it since over the very very long run it'll skew towards the average

[pearl saddle]

have you given feedback about that through the bot?

[topaz otter]

Literally no other feature in the game requires this much attention

[topaz otter]

what bot

[blazing heart]

My main issue with PR is the rainbow gear, my Drake is almost dev30 and I have 28/50 prints for her gun. And I didn't even do cube researches. I don't think something timegated should be that rng heavy

[pearl saddle]

Belfast bot

[acoustic helm]

belfast

[topaz otter]

I'll see in a sec

[acoustic helm]

i've only been in pr3 for like 2 months, got like 150 something drake bp, 28/50 twipple bp...guess u got unlucky on the gear?

[paper idol]

Luckily I got my gun before she dev 30, if she dev 30 before I get my gun, there is less incentive to go back

@agile otter marry me

[blazing heart]

Yes, been doing Q researches almost exclusively for the past 2 months, got like 4 twipple prints from that. My point is just that the results shouldn't vary so much if you do the same stuff

[paper idol]

Did you you free research

[topaz otter]

alright, posted my feedback

[blazing heart]

Only if there really weren't any alternatives and I was about to go sleep

[paper idol]

Never do free research

They are newbie trap

[south sequoia]

I think there's an ongoing item rate data collection going on on this discord, might be pinned in #al-general. Do contribute to it!

[blazing heart]

That means like 4 times since the start of PR3 lol

[topaz otter]

ongoing? wasn't there already a project like this

[blazing heart]

It's pinned in gph, I am contributing to it and rhe researches that supposedly give .25 rainbow print per time the research is done gave me nothing ever

[acoustic helm]

restart is doing one

[topaz otter]

"The Collective Archive" or something, by Bluerendar

I really don't see why bother with scrapping everything and starting over with another one, but that's just me

[paper idol]

Do they store past research data foreach user

I guess not, or very low retention

[bold pier]

Considering the pacing, PR3 catchup and Drake gun appearing in core shop should happen in about 2 years, no worries

[blazing heart]

Yeah I doubt it

Y-yaay?

[paper idol]

9999 for 1 print

Each PR bp give 5 cores

[blazing heart]

That's dumb if true

[paper idol]

Which means 100k PR print for 1 457 gun

[acoustic helm]

that was placeholder value

[bold pier]

I'm pretty sure the cost is 9999 Specialized Core.
Edit: Or it's a placeholder.

[south sequoia]

Placeholder, yeah

[paper idol]

It is the proto core

[bold pier]

9999 proto core would be nuts. No one could afford that.

[paper idol]

I would buy 10 gun if it is specialised core

[south sequoia]

Protocore and it was explicitly said that it's a placeholder

[blazing heart]

But anyway my point is just that I think research in general should decrease its variance in favour of a more stable rate at which your researches yield results

[acoustic helm]

i recall someone saying we can buy only one 457 lifetime. is that true?

[south sequoia]

Yes.

[bold pier]

For both rainbow equip and DR BPs. They are too strong to be hold back for so many players.

[paper idol]

Also reduce the alarm clock warrior

[south sequoia]

To be precise, 50 BPs lifetime limit

[paper idol]

Sad but true

[blazing heart]

Yeah that's what I meant

[paper idol]

Always go back to PR2 each PR break

Which is around 2-3 week each year

[acoustic helm]

we get break

[paper idol]

If you grind hardcore

[blazing heart]

Although I feel like gear is even more important than ships cuz who wants to stay in a research season just for gear when all the girls are finished. If you finish the gun first a second one won't hurt

[paper idol]

Or 1-2 month if you are Kimo

Alarm clock warrior

[acoustic helm]

yea that guy is on whole new level

[paper idol]

Omg, people, do your 2-1 for infinite cube and gem

[blazing heart]

At least 457 isn't really needed since 406mle is often better cuz of timing

[paper idol]

Sure buddy, if your timing is in the 2x

[south sequoia]

Drake's gun though...

I kind of want to see face researches for items too.

[acoustic helm]

if only gear lab

[raw quest]

[paper idol]

That could be ok for UR gear

[blazing heart]

Not sure what you mean but have fun syncing 457 with Helena

[acoustic helm]

457 that fast?

[blazing heart]

457 has about the speed of your usual barrage gun

[paper idol]

Give her the SG

[blazing heart]

That will only make her first time skill activation sooner

[paper idol]

Push up the rest of the timing too

People do Helena + double 457 all the time, I see no problem

[blazing heart]

Anyway not rly a topic for this channel^^

[hearty crane]

1PR per year so PR3 catchup is up next year?

[bold pier]

I kinda wanted to make fun about the slow pacing about that regard. Next year for PR3 catchup is more likely, yeah.

[sinful cloud]

Fighting a sponge with x3 the hp to get x3 the useless materials still aint worth it to me

Also was back reading a bit and is that PR completion tracking rate divided by regions or everyone together? Cause if its everyone together I can see why its over 50%

Honestly it just sounds like Gaijin's awful way of balancing things with "statistics"

[velvet adder]

good changes to pr4 hopefully none of the rates were changed to accomadate this though

im glad to hear that the gold versions of D were rescaled no more 1 print i assume

[hearty crane]

Imagine still getting 1, just not any others anymore...

[copper nest]

where are these changed announced?

[stone valley]

Wait are they changing the PR system

[cloud sable]

yes, check the pins in #gameplay-help

[hearty crane]

JP Twitter.

[limber jolt]

Just read about the pr completion tracking and I'm just gonna say... really?

I mean if you track the people who completed at least one of the 2 dr it's obviously gonna have a higher percentage than the ones who are trying to complete both, the tracking should focus the ones who completed both dr2 ships and compare it to the current dr3 progress, cause people could also just stay in pr2 research to complete it as well as just jumping between research seasons.

[crude pasture]

completion tracking?

[limber jolt]

For example this is my current progress (I got all prs to dev30 btw), I could easily reach dev28 with azuma/fdg if I convert the general dr prints but I'm still waiting to finish dr3 to jump back to finish dr2, but ik it's just an endless loop

[limber jolt]

This ^ @crude pasture

[velvet adder]

yeah that data seems out of date i dont see well over half having that kinda stuff (especially DR) being at dev 30

i mean like people said before 4 months and 2k cubes was dev 30 on pr2 dr's and we had pr2 for like 6-8 months? maybe in jp/cn data where they had pr2 for a year or more

[limber jolt]

Also I started a month or two later with pr3 as the bad rng got the dr2 weapon stuck at 40/50, now I have the pr3 weapon at 43/50 so I'm just looping

[velvet adder]

yeah i do think the rates for rainbow weapons should be improved

or they should be added to gear lab too research should just be a bonus way of getting them

or maybe research would unlock them over time for crafting in gear lab, that sounds like a cooler way

[cloud sable]

well we can buy one copy of the twin 457 from protocore shop in the future so

but yea gear lab would probably be the best long term solution

[wintry tree]

How long does it take until submitted reply for feedback is posted in the collected-feedback channel?

[limber jolt]

Not longer than a day for me

[crude pasture]

until someone has taken a look at it

[velvet adder]

until someone manually looks at it and accepts it (or it gets forgotten)

[wintry tree]

Ok, I didn’t know it had to be manually checked, thanks

[crude pasture]

yeah, they go through the submissions and try to at least somewhat cull duplicate suggestion

[sinful cloud]

The changes are good but yeah with the gun why not put it in the gear lab, the rainbow bps will still be useless with a solution right there

[eternal bronze]

PR2 problems still untouched even after several complains

[crude pasture]

what are you talking about Verd

[high pond]

You got a major improvement, imagine still complaining

[crude pasture]

I mean, better isn't necessarily good

could be just less bad

but I don't think that applies to the PR changes thgat are incoming

[hearty crane]

I'm somewhat dubious if the D change is a buff or nerf (even if some people def. requested it)... but for the rest, how did they NOT change things based on the complains???

[eternal bronze]

i do remember the 6 months that were threw into the trash can tho

[sinful cloud]

Was thinking that it was the 2 DR problem that PR2 is getting some help but PR4 will still be plagued by it

Guess you could complete the PRs first to force DRs but thats one messy band aid

[velvet adder]

I mean our complaints were pretty much last second its likely these things were decided upon over a long period of time (and theyre mostly changes to affect jp/cn)

[hearty crane]

Now we just need to make noise to get our darn DR Fate Sims... FdG > NJ, make it definitive!

[eternal bronze]

yeah i agree sorry for being too ignorant about it

[velvet adder]

nah its fine no worries post your feedback, its what this channel is for

[sinful cloud]

I agree that most of our solutions were last second but been hearing complaints for months

[velvet adder]

i agree fdg needs fate sim now especially now theyre basically giving me fate 5 for free in catchup

[blazing heart]

DRs are so hard to catch up with, needs change
Oh we get 150 BPs catchup, now give them fatesim for 215 BP

[hearty crane]

Well a bunch of us have absolutely no use for the 300-330 DR BPs. So yes, fate sim would be nice. Also a lot of people "complained" their FdG that took them long was outclasses by Gatcha, FS5 helps with that too. Overall, DR Fate Sim... yes please. It solves a lot of issues at once.

[copper nest]

That FS would need to be super powerful since grind is still sooo long (even with catchup)

[sinful cloud]

Tho I do agree with the FdG thing, im just waiting for the shitshow of Haku outclassing Shitano already

FdG had the top spot for a couple of years

[hearty crane]

And with just 65 prints, she can have it again... if the devs just let her.

[copper nest]

65? isn't it 200+?

if it will be just 65 the forget my last message about super op fs xd

just enough to not feel cheated by gacha ur or smth 🙂

[sinful cloud]

165, 65 is fs5 alone

[blazing heart]

It's 65 if you subtract the 150 that you get with pr4

DRs need 215 to fully fatesim

[sinful cloud]

Is that confirmed or assuming? Never seen it cause they dont have it

[copper nest]

Oh this way, 65 if you already have dev30

[blazing heart]

It's in the game code

[sinful cloud]

Oh

[modest island]

its been on /devbp for a while now

[sinful cloud]

Had only seen the one from there

[copper nest]

I've found something like this on other server, I don't know if it's credible source or not, but it says no fs for dr

[naive cobalt]

to be clear - it's only based on what game counts in "leave enough for fate sim" when you turn BP into protocore
not actually "officially confirmed" so it could be changed to more or less or just never be implemented

because yes, the official statement is "no plans for FS5 for DR for now"

[sinful cloud]

I see

[copper nest]

for now❗❗

hold on to your bps, don't sell

[naive cobalt]

[modest island]

Check pins in gph for accurate information

[velvet adder]

to me it sounds like it wont be implemented for a long time, maybe until next pr season at least (if ever)

[sinful cloud]

Honestly im surprised it holds onto that many and they havent done it for 2 years and apparently dont plan to

[velvet adder]

especially since they implicitly mentioned that it isnt coming right now

[naive cobalt]

probably just so people keep them in case they ever decide to

[velvet adder]

yeah no harm in keeping them (selling them for 5 each is imo daylight robbery)

[naive cobalt]

instead of turning them into protocore and then complaining they need to farm DR prints again in 4 years or whatever long

[copper nest]

better than silence about it, +1 for communication

[velvet adder]

i remember when i sold all my pr2 prints then a week later they said fate sim was coming

[sinful cloud]

Happy that PR3 is getting the FS, that one Odin bp has been triggering me and didnt want to sell it cause of

[velvet adder]

i hope odins fate sim is significantly better since anti-subs were changed after her skills were designed, i mean its their chance to actually fix it into something decent

[naive cobalt]

(tbh her skill was also changed with anti-sub changes so)

[sinful cloud]

Seems good to me already, spot the whole screen and hedgehog will nuke them for pretty much anywhere

[eternal bronze]

actually poggers i need to see the changes when it goes live

[steady ridge]

does anyone know if the gear is going to get more stuff added, really want golden ironblood dive bombers

[eternal bronze]

PR4 gear has not been showed yet so theres a chance

[modest island]

Stay tuned for new gear
Based off past trends new gear is coming tho but we don't know what yet

[steady ridge]

sweet this excites me

[hearty crane]

Yeah the timing of the prototype shop release was absolutely terrible. That was a fail on the devs part...

They did also mention more gear in gearlab with the CN 4th anni livestream, but literally nothing more about it than just that

[velvet adder]

oh i didnt know that

[hearty crane]

Old: "Changes this ship's position and decrease its DMG taken by 5% (20.0%). Every 15s: commences a sonar scan, revealing the locations of all enemy Submarines for 5s (10s) and decreasing your Vanguard's DMG taken from torpedoes by 5% (15.0%) for 5s (10s). "
New: "Changes this ship's position and decreases its DMG taken by 5% (20.0%). Every 15s: commences a sonar scan, revealing the location of all enemy SSs for 5s (10s), reducing their accuracy by 15% (25%), and decreasing your Vanguard's DMG taken from torpedoes by 5% (15.0%) for 5s (10s)."
So yeah... pretty much bugger all.

Also sorry for giving you all maths. Yes, it's 215-150=65. This does not include the 30 extra ones from PR2 training (or potential DR prints from those XP thingies in PR2 training) so the actual value is even lower.

[uncut bobcat]

pr bp to dr bp convertion and vice versa

[winter hearth]

Seems like useless buff

What about to add reactions to the dragon of August? This would be pretty cool, if after special touch the dragon will aim us. Or it would be also good, if we just could interact with the dragon too, because this is a creature you want to pat etc. For example we could pat August and also we could pat the Dragon and this will be an extra voice line for patting the dragon. Like for another interactions with Dragon

[hearty crane]

Prototype shop (conversion rate is terrible though, and no word if updated to PR3 or even PR4)

[uncut bobcat]

yes the conversion rate is terrible

[uncut bobcat]

craft gear compotents similar to tech box crafting

[fierce ember]

if devs were actually legit playing their own game,they would know this issue with PR/DR and wouldnt even let it happen in the first place,but nope

[kindred vessel]

The issue is EN only because CN and JP got an extra 6 months with PR2 so they had lots of extra time that we never got

[eternal bronze]

they know this issue since they gave us some kind of rewards for 2 days but 4 DR prints are like nothing

when it comes to 6 months of time lost