gameplay-help

[wind hazel]

anything that you need more

[split bramble]

Idk what i need more lol

[wind hazel]

i went back to 5 to get more plygun lol

[split bramble]

Im at the point where i have everything

[lean latch]

Probably La9

[split bramble]

I have 3 as well

[wind hazel]

get more

[idle dagger]

Plygun is in gear lab already. Why spend time for research bps?

[split bramble]

👌, i guess pr7 it is

[lean latch]

3 isn't enough, more la9 is good

[sinful relic]

ill aim for 50k coins and then ill grind opsi for the rest of the night

[wind hazel]

you tell me

[exotic sorrel]

Double hell diver it is

[split bramble]

never really any point of changing my weaps for a while now

[idle dagger]

I see

[lean latch]

Can I have some or your La9 my lord

[wind hazel]

no, they are mine

[lean latch]

Please

[split bramble]

Sheesh

[exotic sorrel]

What's the next best after Ryusei

[wind hazel]

in term of what

[exotic sorrel]

Homing torpedo bombers

[boreal wagon]

ryu kai > ryu/ju/sai/vit2m

[wind hazel]

ryusei/kai, saiun, vit2, ju87 are all sidegrades

[exotic sorrel]

Oh okay thanks

[wind hazel]

ryusei kai>vit2>ryusei>ju87>saiun in term of dmg
reverse in term of timing except kai share ryusei timing

[boreal wagon]

smh u preemted me with ur edit

[wind hazel]

i saw you typing and i edit like a ninja

[sweet merlin]

What is morgador gun

[wind hazel]

twin 138.6

[sweet merlin]

Does aldb have the gear nicknames

[wind hazel]

yes

[boreal wagon]

not all of them but most of them

u can even search by them

i dont have a smog emote anymore smh

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1241187996284354600.webp?size=56

[eternal basalt]

There is a new DD gun coming so wait with crafting DD guns

[stoic horizon]

Is W14 more AA heavy than W13 or is my singular twin 76mm, Sextuple Bofors and horde of STAAGs sufficient?

[atomic abyss]

W14 has way less AA

The threat in w14 isnt planes

It's suicide boats
And later subs

[stoic horizon]

It's them sui boats but I don't wanna risk the detect going up
Unless that's not so much an issue either

[boreal wagon]

the main threat to your detection will be the things ender mentioned

[sweet merlin]

if the middle vanguad eat torps, and the tank gets the "most damage", why do we put thesqishiet ship in the middle and not off tank?

[rapid grail]

just keep the AA guns from your W13 runs, better be safe than sorry. Concealment gauge makes it so that if they get revealed, they get full target priority. Say goodbye to your revealed backliners in that case

[inner delta]

because the middle should be the least damaged

ofc it still takes dmg

[sweet merlin]

yea, but they eat all the torps

[inner delta]

then its an auto problem

[boreal wagon]

torps are eaten by whatever ship happens to collide with them there is no rule that says the middle eats them all

[sweet merlin]

te=hen why is eldrige specifically told not to be put in the middle so she "dosnt eat orps"

[boreal wagon]

which on auto will be anything but consistent

[viscid swift]

Because she needs to be hit consistently to proc Operation Rainbow.

[stoic horizon]

Aye
Actually I'll just make a thread for this, I should be able to brute-force W14 with my current dock but idk

[boreal wagon]

the note about torps isnt a "she will eat all the torps" but rather a note of "she will not do what shes supposed to and just fall over and die"

[stoic horizon]

Stuff for W14

[sweet merlin]

1s 14-3 heavy or light boss?

[hollow void]

Light

[sweet merlin]

looks at all my AP fitted ships fuck

[timid beacon]

No nitrooo 😭😭😭😭

[sinful relic]

is it possible to change fleet in opsi?

[forest palm]

go to any blue port, tap the top left diamond on the compass

[sinful relic]

pog thank you

imma just kill everythin i find

in opsi. should work

[peak fable]

are HE BB guns always better for mobbing than AP? (asking for 12-4 specifically)

[soft raft]

Iirc most mob enemies are light armor, there's only really the command CVs in W13+ that are medium but HE should still be good against those (esp with UR BBs)

[rapid grail]

just 12-4? Yeah
other than that you'll be looking at enemy armor types, otherwise it's mostly HE all the way

[hollow sail]

it doesn't really matter much

in chapter 13 and beyond AP is heavily favoured as all the dangerous enemies are med/heavy

[sinful relic]

is there a guide on what i should research first for gearlab? i have no clue where to start

[tulip tinsel]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/gear-lab/

[sinful relic]

for lexington 2, is it up to preference if i want many planes or few planes?

as im a little confused.

[sick kettle]

its talking about the amount of enemy aircraft pressure on the campaign level

[sinful relic]

Oh okay, i didnt know that, thank you for clarifying

[whole crypt]

so apparently this counts for the enhance ships 5 times mission

[rapid grail]

many planes - w13, w15, 16-3 & 4, w13H & w14H
few planes - everything else. just be aware that rocket fighters and other planes (just skyraider and spearfish) are affected negatively by concealment values in w14, 16-1 & 2, but still workable for the most part.

[whole crypt]

14H doesn't count as many planes

[forest palm]

one way to use purple bulins

[whole crypt]

well I'm out of fodder because I just scrapped a batch for an E

[forest palm]

it's always something to figure out once all your ships are Lv 100+, and MLB, so this an interesting application

[whole crypt]

also just checked the "few planes" load out it's pretty much a damage cope by using La-9 for fighter over bombs

[waxen valley]

Can someone help me make a team for chapter 14

[whole crypt]

well I'm out of shit to enhance and I'm out of fodder, and it's not like I have any use for another 20 medals if I scrapped them instead

[harsh mason]

unicorn raffaello independence laff2 sandy z52 mobbing worked for me

[waxen valley]

I don’t have raffaello or z52

[harsh mason]

maybe u can refer to this https://azur-lane-regal.suchiguma.com/ and https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief this

[whole crypt]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief
if you can't copy the sample fleets then maybe start a thread and see if we can put anything together

[waxen valley]

Thx

[sharp comet]

which hard-mode number gives these?

[harsh mason]

looks like opsi (resupply shop)

[sharp comet]

yes, but it is dropped by hard-mode as well

[whole crypt]

FP is x-3

[sharp comet]

thanks

is there a full list, so i do not have to ask all the time?

[whole crypt]

x-1 TRP
x-2 RLD
x-3 FP
x-4 AVI

[sharp comet]

ok, thanks!!

[whole crypt]

it's basically the same as the print type the map gives from DD/cruiser/BB/CV except they shoved RLD into cruisers

[sharp comet]

ohh i get it

[waxen valley]

Could we start thread bc I honestly don’t understand

[sharp comet]

this is easier to memorize

[waxen valley]

I don’t have any of these exact teams

[harsh mason]

yea make a thread and show what ships you have

[waxen valley]

How do I make a thread

😭😭😭😭😭

[forest palm]

there's a spool next to the bell icon on the top right

[sharp comet]

top right on this

[turbid marsh]

or right click your own comment XD

[sweet delta]

Did stream reveal any new UR gear from the UR event?

[waxen valley]

Oh thank u

CHAP 14 help

[whole crypt]

didn't cheeks mention there was a DD gun, don't know if it showed with rainbow frame though

[sweet delta]

There is a gear lab UR DD gun

[agile temple]

Is there a way to turn an elite gear into SR if it has an SR variant?

[sweet delta]

No

When did improved quad mag release

[forest palm]

is that not gear lab

[sweet delta]

I need more +13 torps

[forest palm]

you can turn some Elite Gear into SR Gear through Gear Lab, but not all gear is worth upgrading or using for that matter

[sick kettle]

are they finally making hvar craftable yet?🍃 🥀

[viscid swift]

No and based on the ships I wouldn't expect any

[whole crypt]

oh good I do have business with this event

[harsh mason]

i am in Dire need of more gold plates after recklessly +13ing some UR gear 🥀

[forest palm]

making a UR Twin 406 SKC

[ivory pawn]

No news yet.

[hard mesa]

Didn't we get quint 610mm torp for last year gearlab update during CN anniv?

[rapid grail]

you can always farm WA in your free time

[whole crypt]

June and Dec of 24

[vagrant tiger]

I'm struggling to get argus- 😭

[sweet delta]

Where is Argus obtainable from

Do coalitions rerun? Frostfall did, what about others?

[nocturne zenith]

What is most important to level.. academy, cantern or merchant?

[viscid swift]

Yes.

[sweet delta]

if you're an active player, then oil first

[nocturne zenith]

Damn

[sweet delta]

if you're broke, better save coins for the UR banner for now and not upgrade anything too much

[soft raft]

Implacable event

[nocturne zenith]

You know you're right about that...

Wasn't the UR supposed to be revealed by now? Officially as in?

[sweet delta]

yes, we are free to post her art without being banned now

you can see pins anyways

[nocturne zenith]

We have no word on their skills etc yes?
But damn for such an old game they do have good updates.
The yostar update was great.

[sweet delta]

We have no word on their skills etc yes
idk if stream(s) showed barrages

[viscid swift]

It did not.

[sweet delta]

all yap and no bite

[nocturne zenith]

They look like they'd bite though

[uneven cave]

If i got a meck gun sap gun and a flandre/champ gun, who should use which between lion meck and bis zwei

[fossil lark]

what ships should i add for my main fleet

secondary fleet as well

[sweet delta]

assuming it's a medium boss, you do whatever syncs or completes most of the last salvo, preferring SAP not on Bisz

[sweet delta]

you really need Unicorn and this reading https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_lgdko8DdtBSaZMceon-cvK1DsS-DPQQ-F2IOBrUAm0/edit?usp=sharing

[nocturne zenith]

Buy Unicorn from guild shop

[fossil lark]

when i first started the game i got unicorn but i fucking used it as an enhancement for another ship 😭😭

now i regret it

[fossil lark]

is it really that important?

[hollow void]

Yes, uni = easy mode

[nocturne zenith]

Extremely so

[fossil lark]

dang

[nocturne zenith]

Max her heal skill and retrofit her

[honest stirrup]

Is it normal if my subs do negligible damage to bosses?

[sweet delta]

it is normal if your subs are poorly built

and if they weren't properly timed to your main fleet attacks against Takao in particular

[honest stirrup]

Well I did try to launch them about the same time as my backrange sends its wave

[sweet delta]

if you mean pressing the button, then that's too late

they take like 5s to start firing

[honest stirrup]

No, I meant pressing earlier than my CVs start launching

[exotic sorrel]

She's one of the best healers, it's kinda inarguable

[sweet delta]

this is correct
76/113 is competitive with 100 kai for M/H and mog gun for H on non-retro yuudachi, so we can infer that it's great for mobbing too

but using non-retro yuudachi is disgusting~~, and retrofitting yuudachi is very questionable~~

[gleaming storm]

Is the new BB UR worth it? Like i have so many UR BB

[sweet delta]

1. we have no clue what the new ships do, there's no data
2. what else are you going to do with your thousands of cubes

[fossil lark]

so what ships that i currently have are recommended for my main fleet

my question wasnt really answered

or i might have worded it wrong

[sweet delta]

Well, you're lacking a tank right now, you can start raising Portland from scratch and hope you pull Prinz Moritz next week

Hood Unicorn Musashi-chan Portland Brooklyn Helena\

if you do pull Prinz Moritz, then ask in this channel at that time whether she should replace Portland

[fossil lark]

alright

[sweet delta]

and if you've been building heavy banner, read the guide and stop

[whole crypt]

I already know Z14 is going to be the best ship this event for me

[sweet delta]

16-4 is nice because there's no morale concern

[barren quarry]

I WILL take kawakaze into w16
im thinking of a carry comp that can do it
any help
assume I got every ship in the game

[sweet delta]

there are two kinds of w16 fleets

Raff fleet and Musashi fleet

whichever you put kawakaze in, also put cowpens

then just https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-16-fleets/

[barren quarry]

hmm

I hate raff with my soul so musashi it is

[whole crypt]

that's just the fights taking longer but at least it's still good coin/chip

[prisma torrent]

chat which UR should i focus on investing in

[sweet delta]

None, and ask when you have 4 bulins, not 2

[prisma torrent]

wait where is mamagi

mamagi should be right there, i filtered through rarity

OH, she's in a fleet i forgot

huh, she's 1 star from mlb

[stray vigil]

Just put UR only....

[atomic abyss]

if UR amagi is only missing 1 star or 1 limit break

use those 2 bulins on her

[sweet delta]

what if KMS Lion II releases in 4 days

[atomic abyss]

even if it does

we wouldnt even know if it's that good for a while anyways

[whole crypt]

it's not like he has a fleet that can properly utilize AmagiCV or at a point where it matters anyway, a good BB will likely carry harder so I'm inclined to say he should hold on to the bulins

[atomic abyss]

Fair enough

[polar oak]

This probably gets asked a lot so sorry in advance but the Light of the Martyrium event should rerun soon right? After the anni perhaps? Mogador is one of my most anticipated units I missed her the first time and I want to get her new costume if I can get her soon.

[whole crypt]

probably somewhere in June/July

[polar oak]

Ok thanks!

[agile pewter]

Is this worth

First time seeing it

[ivory pawn]

I usually grab it just because, but don't be surprised to get another California.

[onyx flame]

only if you heading to bed or something

[ivory pawn]

So it's not really worth, but that hasn't stopped me.

[sweet delta]

it's worth overnight if you're below chapter 9

[wary lake]

The login animation for my L2D skins doesn't play automatically anymore whenever i get into the game, is there any settings i should change?

[onyx flame]

its a setting related to locking l2d skins

this oen iirc

[winged falcon]

hey just started playing, is there any good guide someone can recommend?

[viscid swift]

Here you are.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_lgdko8DdtBSaZMceon-cvK1DsS-DPQQ-F2IOBrUAm0/edit?usp=sharing

[winged falcon]

thank you!

[ivory pawn]

I don't know for sure if it's you, but just a note that I can see a Belfast pfp with a name attached Mr. Z. Just the name at least, no email or anything.

[normal thistle]

Which one is better for a newbie to spend my first 3 Bulin for a limit break because I don't have any more.

[wanton smelt]

what are the CV fleets for light/medium/heavy meta showdown?

[nocturne zenith]

No morale decrease from 16-4 😮

[whole crypt]

don't use either of them and save your bulins for now

[wind steeple]

best gear from pr8 ?

[plucky tapir]

When should I be looking to replace pennsylvania?

[nocturne zenith]

If I have one gold catapult.
Who should I give it to.. Aquila or Unicorn

[tulip tinsel]

rainbow gun ofc

[tulip tinsel]

when you get someone better than her

[serene moth]

Noshiro is better then pitt, but idk what other ships you have.

[haughty skiff]

You don't need to replace her until around W12, there's no reason to rush replacing her

[wind steeple]

From the ones I can choose

[tulip tinsel]

afaik only the last one the cl gun good

[exotic sorrel]

Isn't the torpedo good for fast torp launchers?

[normal thistle]

For who exactly?

[normal thistle]

I have almost nothing, I just started playing according to the guide.

[exotic sorrel]

Potentially better ships you may get

Just stick to your current team for now, let us know if you get another SR ship whom you can use the bulins for :))

[nocturne zenith]

You got anniversary coming. Save any cubes you have.
Hopefully you get something good then

[viscid swift]

All pretty mediocre or niche.

[tulip tinsel]

oh yeah it is but not many use it iirc

[viscid swift]

I guess the CL gun is overall the least worst but.

[nocturne zenith]

In a team of unicorn musashi aquila
Duca and helena
Who should be my 3rd.. options rn are maybe a Portland, san Francisco and z23 retofit

[exotic sorrel]

It's much more niche I think? I remember the guide saying fast+dmg since the real fast torps don't do much

[viscid swift]

Depends in part on the boss you fight, at least for the later ones.

[plucky tapir]

is there a downside to starting devolopment on a shipyard ship? The only one I have availible is Saint Louis.

[viscid swift]

Not really no.

[plucky tapir]

Thanks, I did not want to "start" devolopment on a ship and get myself locked out of another one until it was done or something like that.

[viscid swift]

The worst that'll happen is you'll have to endure a 24 hour cooldown period before you can start development on the next ship if you suddenly swich.

[plucky tapir]

yeah, I dont think I'll be worried about that. I dont think I'm even close to satisfying the requirements for anything else at this point.

[spark patio]

is Anchorage worth 125?

[tulip tinsel]

if higher prio ships are done yeah

[viscid swift]

Eventually maybe.

[spark patio]

Hmm where should Anchorage at? boss or mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

Depends on which one is dying more really

Wherever you need the tanky ship more

In earlier content bosses are more threatening
So that may be a better option

Whereas in later content mob may be more threatening

So really depends on your specific needs

Who needs the help

[plucky tapir]

well, Just got a saratoga. Should I stick with Ranger or switch to leveling her up instead?

[atomic abyss]

How high level is ranger currently

[plucky tapir]

35

[atomic abyss]

I would replace then

Still early on enough to catch up

If it were like 50 then it's different

[plucky tapir]

sounds good. I'll retire ranger and put her on comission duty. peksy missions requiring lv 30 ships that I did not have to spare. haha.

[normal thistle]

@exotic sorrel@nocturne zenith@nocturne zenithThat's what I planned, so I'll keep the cubes anyway and change the team when something interesting happens, but for now I'm farming 2.3 to get a relatively good starting fleet out of the available units at the start, like her.

[plucky tapir]

Eh, I'd rather farm the higher exp maps.

[viscid swift]

What happened to all of your Guild Tokens?

[fervent shore]

who could i use to improve my team?

[viscid swift]

Uhh.

[viscid swift]

You might wanna give this a read.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTRJeUvu195lF7nGi0tqn39NdvCDq7TFac83vepK9s29OXA_8pWq6z5SH8lHoOmYIC0lQxRoJ1j2HBe/pub

[normal thistle]

I'm saving them, cuz I only have 3538.

[viscid swift]

What why.

You'd be far better off spending them to get the 4 ships reccomended in the various new player guides rather than rolling dice to get them from map drops.

[normal thistle]

Well I already bought Helena, Unicorn, Portland and Penn.

I'm still need the second fleet

[viscid swift]

So what are you farming 3-2 for then?

No you don't.

The one starter fleet will get you to W9 no issues.

A second fleet at this point will mainly be a stat stick and won't do much.

You can fight without ammo.

[normal thistle]

Yes, but it will take a long time because I will lose affinity.

[normal thistle]

Not quite sure how this works?

[ivory pawn]

If you run out of morale, take a break.
Once you get the second floor, you'll regen morale at a much faster pace.

[viscid swift]

Without ammo you can still fight, your damage is just reduced by 50%.

You can negate this debuff with just sheer level advantage early on though.

[normal thistle]

I'm missing fittings for the 2nd floor.

[viscid swift]

Take a break then and let them rest.

[normal thistle]

Wouldn't it be more profitable to create another fleet of gray ships, which would also consume less oil?

[viscid swift]

Not really becaue once you get to W9 maps will have oil caps.

[kindred arrow]

Best meta for the QE meta fight?

[viscid swift]

Lion + any half decent meta vanguard really.

[normal thistle]

Great, so I need to get access to Chapter 9 as soon as possible and then buy new ships with guild coins?

[viscid swift]

Well not necessarily from the Guild Shop but waiting till W9 to seriously work on the second fleet would be preferable.

If for no other reason than to give you time to accumulate better ships for your second fleet.

[kindred arrow]

I have uuuh Jintsuu Wichita and Algerie at 120 for vanguard metas, which one is better or does it really not matter?

[atomic abyss]

Wichita is probably the best consistency wise for QE meta but she is very frail

[kindred arrow]

Could use Eld to patch that up I guess
Something like Eld/Michita/Traf would work?
BZ/Meck/Lion main

[viscid swift]

Might

[kindred arrow]

(update: it worked)

[clear harbor]

There's a chart somewhere that shows what to buy from the Proto Core shop, with a specific order. It's not the one from Sushi's site or the ECGC. Does anyone know what I'm talking. It goes into detail to the effect of "spend your first set on these".

[sweet delta]

/protocore

[odd root]

Protocore Guides

🔹 Protoype Core Priority image guide by samheart564
🔹 Prototype Core Spending image guide by elp

[clear harbor]

Thanks! it was the second one!

Question, why is it recommended to get both Champ Gun and Flandre gun? Timing? Or does one do better against medium armor or something? Also, I have 1 Champ Gun and 2 Meck guns (researching a third), is it worth it to buy more AP guns? Or should I move on to LA-9s and Tenrais?

[soft raft]

timing

[sweet delta]

so you can get 3 guns earlier

you need 4 months to get 75 bps of 1

[clear harbor]

Oh right, because gold is gated.

[ivory pawn]

You've also got Meck guns +1 champy already, so I'd skip that part tbh.

[sweet delta]

and meck gun makes them obsolete, so all you need is 2 meck guns plus 1 flandre or 1 champ

[clear harbor]

On to planes it is.

[exotic sorrel]

Mhm, but I wouldn't recommend farming 2.3, it's best to clear the latest chapters you have unlocked, no stopping until your ships' morale are too low to fight then you can take a break

Don't mind the 2nd fleet too, that concern will be in the later chapters

[plucky tapir]

Is 8 hr commission worth it if takes 0 oil and has potential cube as reward? Or would i be better off trying to get more of the shorter time frame ones?

[sweet delta]

take all cubes

[winged falcon]

is the option to compose tech packs still in the game?

[soft raft]

Yes
but if you were trying to merge purple into gold or merge gold into rainbow, both of those have never been possible from the get go

[winged falcon]

nah just blue into purple

thanks anyways

[fossil lark]

magdeburg, jeanne d'arc, gremyashchy, or belfast?

[last ocean]

I don't understand if I'm missing something - the research facility missions in OpSi, are they supposed to only have tiny rewards? What is it you actually get out of it?

[nocturne glade]

You have to finish opsi story before actual opsi unlocks. Just follow the quest markers and youll know when you're done with story because the shop will be different

Opsi shop and various spots on the map will give you materials you need to craft gear in gearlab

[last ocean]

blarg... the story parts...

[sweet delta]

asking again doesn't change the answer

[fossil lark]

😭

is there a website where i can compare ship stats

[sweet delta]

why

stats don't tell half the story of some ships

[idle dagger]

Sort in depend on what you want them for and choose. https://azur-lane-regal.suchiguma.com/
In real they all just average of their rarity for my opinion

[idle dagger]

Stats not always matter. Ships also have skills and gear

[fossil lark]

true

i'l have to figure it out myself

[subtle grotto]

if i were to buy the 2nd floor to my dorm, could i put more girls in there?

[sweet delta]

you could and should

[nocturne glade]

Suchi already answered your question beforehand; if you go back and read that it might help. Should also help to read the guide he linked

[fossil lark]

understood

[idle dagger]

If you have Suchiguma's answer don't need to ask again, he is knowing game really well and his recommendation is best

[ivory pawn]

That sounds like a terrible attitude to have tbh.

Anyways, the wiki has a page where you can sort ships by stats: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Stats

[forest palm]

if all you can do is be snide, please leave

[nocturne zenith]

If you're prioritising xp.. is there any benefit to go to chapter 12 instead of running 11-1... And when the sushi guide says a stage is good enough that you can even bring low level ships to level em up..
How low we talking?

[ivory pawn]

Cog chips.

[forest palm]

11-1 gets shafted for two reasons, difficult to raise ships and cog chips

it may be the best oil efficient xp farm on paper, but that's all really

[nocturne glade]

Depends on if you put hp auxes on them or not and how strong your carries are if any. Personally I've been fine bringing lvl 40-50s with unicorn

Haven't really tried lower though

[last ocean]

levelling Mainz like that atm myself

but then, I also bring along Ingraham for 11-1 so there's even more vanguard heals

[forest palm]

the benefit of potential cog chips, and the ease of clear of 12-1 outweighs doing 11-1

[nocturne zenith]

Which would ya say is easiest to level ships then?
I need to level... A LOT of em.

[last ocean]

haven't actually cleared 11-4 yet so haven't gotten to 12-1

[nocturne zenith]

12-1 easy af?

[forest palm]

yes, because you don't have to worry about suicide boats and burn

[nocturne glade]

12-1 or 12-4 is the standard afaik

[nocturne zenith]

Another question.
How good is Bayard? See her ranked highly but don't see her much in fleets..
I've been thinking about leveling my iris libres to get her and brest

[woven star]

She's still not coinable. So much harder get dev30

[nocturne zenith]

Makes sense. I've been saving blueprints for her for now

[woven star]

Plymouth much easy to get now for example

[nocturne zenith]

That 900 royal navy is a wall. But ig I'll go for monarch and help with that

[woven star]

As I heard Bayard decent ship. But prints

[nocturne glade]

yea PR7 is tough

[ivory pawn]

She is very good if you can get the prints.

She's been a staple on my w14H fleets for example.

[plucky tapir]

As a new player, which meta ship from the store should I prioritize first?

[viscid swift]

She's a damage farming CL with no utility. She's very good at it, arguably better than Plymouth even but unfortunately such a ship is in relatively limited demand.

[ivory pawn]

None of them, they're all fleet tech fodder at best.

[plucky tapir]

Yikes. I was hoping at least one of them would have been at least somewhat useful.

[nocturne zenith]

By no utility I assume you're saying she doesn't provide to other ships in anyway? Other than just being a boss at dmg..

[viscid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vaGB_LulR9aY545LmVTAw-jrdPB_SHSexiGoDJesX-U/edit?usp=sharing

[viscid swift]

Pretty much. Not particularly good AA, no defensive or offensive buffs for the rest of the fleet.

[ivory pawn]

Such is the joy of being a free ship from the Cruise Pass. Even current ones are mostly tech fodder, let alone these ships from years ago.

[nocturne zenith]

Also should I buy san diegos retrofit tool?
I got like 7 8 bulins as well...
But fundamentals tell me to spend that on cores for the URs...

[ivory pawn]

Not until you've completed the rest of her retrofit at the earliest.
But if you reach that point, have a gold bulin ready, and have been leveling Sandy, I'd say go for it.

[nocturne glade]

Sandy has a pretty worthwhile retro but you should probs wait until you're ch12 so you can get her retro mats easier. Maybe just get her augment for now

Her AA is really good though

[plucky tapir]

Thank you. That's super helpful. That gives me a good roadmap of what I need to grab from there and in what order.

by the way, I've been looking around trying to figure out where and how to get the medal currency for the shop. my google fu is off for that one.

[ivory pawn]

It's really simple: retire blue and higher rarity ships.

[plucky tapir]

Ah...

[viscid swift]

In the new player guide too btw.

I should probably link Sam's Resource Guide in it, though.

[sweet delta]

You should probably screenshot a retire page without common ships

[plucky tapir]

an update to the https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Shops#Merit_Shop to include a quick blurb of where an how to obtain the medals would also be helpful. Since most of the others have a short description of where to earn each currency for each thing. Medal shop is an outlier.

[undone plover]

Probably better to leave that advice in #wiki-feedback

[plucky tapir]

ah. So it would.

[viscid swift]

Just gonna leave this here for you.
https://azurlaneecgc.com/common_resource/

[plucky tapir]

Thank you Humphrey.

[chilly crow]

Is the google sheet with the coins and xp to oil ratio per level still around here somewhere

[nocturne glade]

https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/auto-search-exp-and-coins

[slow charm]

How often do limit-time outfits rerun in the shop? Or is there anyway I can predict/estimate how long it will take me to buy an outfit that I want if it's limited and not in circulation?

[vale spindle]

assuming its not an outfit for a collaboration character, most skins earlier than a certain date that are limited will rerun in late november due to black friday

usually the cutoff is like ~6 months before then iirc but don't quote me, you can look at the patch notes for the exact date they used last year for example

[boreal wagon]

before june

[jolly coral]

cut off is june 1st

[slow charm]

oh thanks. That's actually dope! Is there a discount associated w/ black friday as well or just the rerun?

[vale spindle]

even better

[vale spindle]

not on the actual skin prices themselves, but they add a lot of gem bundles / lucky bags / etc. and rewards for buying multiple skins at a time yes

[jolly coral]

last year's black friday had the alternating discount vouchers thing

[vale spindle]

also the double gem bonus resets every server anniversary (which for EN happens in august), so you get that too

[slow charm]

Double gem? I've only been playing since Early febuary, so theres a lot I dont know

[vale spindle]

if you look in the shop, the first time you buy gems at a price, you get a one time double gem bonus for that purchase

[slow charm]

Ah, you're right. Hmmm, this is tempting, but I've alr spent like $25 on this game buying the cruise passes. Not sure I wanna spend too much more.
(p.s. those cruise passes are woth it, right?)

[plucky tapir]

Only if you wanted the specific shipgirl skin iirc.

[vale spindle]

assuming the skin is priced at 700 ish gems, then yes its a net positive value

if you ignore the skin then nope

[slow charm]

dang. I assumed there was enough value in all the extra stuff to make it worth cus i didnt care abt the skins.
Thanks, I'll avoid the next one ig

Appreciate the shout! 🙇‍♂️

[vale spindle]

you can buy the old skins for 880 gems as a one-off purchase if you like the skin that much

[viscid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTRJeUvu195lF7nGi0tqn39NdvCDq7TFac83vepK9s29OXA_8pWq6z5SH8lHoOmYIC0lQxRoJ1j2HBe/pub

[slow charm]

yep. thats the 25$. 5$ for the lvl 70 and 2 cruise passes for 10$ each. I just didnt realize the resoures were the "bonus" ... I'm glad its not too valuable in a way bec it gives me less incentive to spend money I dont rlly have lol

[viscid swift]

Yeah, that's part of a larger spending guide I have in the new player guide.

Give it a read when you have the time.

[slow charm]

Do I still count as a new player? I've been playing non-stop for 3 months. (I will read it, but not sure how helpful it will be)

[viscid swift]

Well new player is a very broad definition in AL.

But I'd say even intermediate players can still glean a lot from it, especially if you've just been winging it up to this point.

I've filled it with just about every relevant piece of info I wish I knew as a new player.

[mellow remnant]

I've been playing for 6 years and I swear I still don't know a damn thing

[slow charm]

Yeah, I'm alr lost lol. Isn't the 2nd floor of the dorm useless? It says you dont get additional training slots?

nvm

[slow charm]

I should keep reading instead of immeditely stopping when i get confused

Yeah... I saw it, just after. Sorry 🙏

[viscid swift]

No worries.

[slow charm]

Yeah, this guide is dope. How logn did this take you?

[viscid swift]

Uh, a few days.

[slow charm]

Very nice, thank you man

[viscid swift]

No problem.

[slow charm]

I got to the PvP section and my laptop died. Also saved ur other guides for later.
This is super concise and helpful. Again, huge thanks you. Have a nice night/ whatever time zone ur in!!

[normal thistle]

She is worth investing for newbie or she is mid?

[forest palm]

she is not worth investing in period.

[normal thistle]

Does this apply to all Meta ships?

[ivory pawn]

Several have good tech so are worth raising eventually. Some have been good enough to fill in a slot until you get someone better. A small number have a particular niche that they’re very strong in.

[normal thistle]

I wish to know who exactly good from meta.

Btw, I started playing on the Little Enterprise server and am already level 30. However, I was told that this is a new server and I can no longer get the old limited ships. So, before it's too late, should I switch to an older server?

[wind hazel]

it's the same for every server

[ivory pawn]

All servers have the same game, so it'd be the same regardless of server. Probably shouldn't listen to whoever said that.

[plucky tapir]

For the skill books, is the difference between them just amount of exp given between tiers?

[ivory pawn]

And time taken.

[plucky tapir]

Cool. Don't need to worry about saving certain books for specific levels then.

The only ship I am leveling skills on is unicorn. As for the rest? Ill save my skill books for more permanent ships on the roster.

[wind hazel]

level the skills the ships you're using

even if they are transitional

[normal thistle]

Who should I buy?

[sweet delta]

@normal thistle

[soft raft]

Realistically all of them are collection tier/tech fodder, just get whoever you want cuz META ships dont take up dock space

[normal thistle]

Maryland is worth to buy so I can replace Pennsylvania?

[wind hazel]

when you are starting your 2nd fleet

[normal thistle]

So basically according to the guide they are mid and I should buy who I like?

[soft raft]

Yes they are all meh in terms of pratical usage

[wind hazel]

just keep your meta currency. you might need to buy the materials in the future, maybe you'll get better meta ship

[normal thistle]

Gotcha, where else I can get new meta ship btw?

[wind hazel]

meta showdown from operation siren. you'll get to it eventually

[normal thistle]

Not before chapter 9?

[soft raft]

Operation siren unlocks at commander level 60

You need 65 to unlock W9 so yes you can unlock it before, but they're defo gonna be quite difficult for new players

[normal thistle]

So then I am cooked?

[sweet delta]

[whole crypt]

you're just not going to be getting META ships soon or easily how that cooked

it's part of the game progression, it's not like you're missing out by not having them anyway

[nocturne glade]

if you really really want them later you can get them thru dossiers regardless right

[agile patrol]

hi. i havent played for the past ~10 days did i miss out on anything important
there are two UR ships coming soon, yes?

[whole crypt]

not really

[whole crypt]

there's dossier for past showdown METAs and META shop for past cruise METAs, neither of which are important for progression regardless

[whole crypt]

1 new BB and 1 new sub, yes

[normal thistle]

In general, as I understand it, Meta ships require a lot of resources for a beginner, so maybe it’s better for me to skip them for the next month?

[nocturne glade]

Ty for confirmation

[agile patrol]

OMG. more BB :O whens the update?

[viscid swift]

Check the pins of the channel.

[agile patrol]

thank u!!!

[whole crypt]

they require a lot of resources that you won't really access as a new player
that said some cruise METAs may be better than regular ship starter options because they have good enough stats while not taking out of the same resource pool to raise in terms of LB and skill leveling

[normal thistle]

Understandable, she is good?

[whole crypt]

not really

[normal thistle]

Btw, should I sell all the common ships, so I can have more dock space?

[nocturne glade]

if by common you mean grey, you should use them to enhance

selling them doesnt give any merits like blues and above do after all

[normal thistle]

Yes, right enhance. In general, as I understand it, I won’t be able to have every unique ship in my dock, like in F2P, so I’ll have to choose who to get rid of?

[wind hazel]

early on yes

[nocturne glade]

As you play youll be able to get more but yea early on you need to manage dock space more

[normal thistle]

Gotcha.

I also got her, but I'm already using Javelin, so she really not worth it?

[nocturne glade]

no need to raise tbh

[whole crypt]

no need to raise now but could be useful for KMS tech/XP

[normal thistle]

Should I use her?

[wind hazel]

for daily raid purposes yes

[plucky void]

go for it. You will not be getting subs quickly by any measure. The fact there's one in the next UR event means you can save a month or 2 getting the full 3 sub fleet

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't, subs are of rather dubious value early on.

[plucky void]

better than not having one. Again, weekly sub raid mission, and even the passive sabotage can make the difference for early players when they break D stages.

[whole crypt]

it's not better than not having one when you're wasting resources on something that contributes very little early in the game

[wind hazel]

using her for daily raid is not wasting resources. it's to get resources

[viscid swift]

Considering that they'll be eating oil and potentially upgrade plates and skill books....

[whole crypt]

you only need to do it once and it is indeed useless before you unlock the lv50 daily raid

[wind hazel]

so it's not useless

you still need to raise her to do those once. can you do it without using sub? i dont \think so

[whole crypt]

you raise her by throwing her in the dorm or shoving XP books in her then MLBing, you don't use her otherwise

[viscid swift]

I'd rather they get to W9 first.

Considering they've only just got to W3. That's still a decent ways off.

[wind hazel]

i mean i didn't say to prioritize raising the sub. i say it's worth using for daily raid, there's a big difference in that

[plucky void]

oil is only used when they are pulled in a battle, not the passive sabotage mode. Also, plates are not an issue until you get purple sub gear, which you do not get until late content.

[viscid swift]

I'm aware.

[whole crypt]

which is why context always matters, dude isn't where he should be bothering with the daily raid yet

[viscid swift]

But using tends to mean well bringing them into battle.

[wind hazel]

so by common sense he shouldn't bother with it yet, but the sub is still worth using for daily raid when he is able to do so

[whole crypt]

assuming he doesn't get a better sub option by the time he gets around to it

[haughty skiff]

Useless until you actually unlock the daily raid she can solo-clear; even then you can just toss her in the dorm / book her so you don't waste oil actually using her

https://youtu.be/cxC2Iy4XVfE?si=bIyzRvpqVeSxbVWe

Read this; you don't need to have more than one fleet or change anything with the newbie guide fleet until W9
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide#investing-in-new-ships

You dont need to invest in a second fleet until W9+ and the newbie fleet provided in the guide is fine for a long time

[viscid swift]

"I wouldn't, subs are of rather dubious value early on."

[wind hazel]

can i do daily raid?
Yes>use the sub
no>i dont use the sub

is logical thinking just dead or what???

[viscid swift]

Mori, they're not at a point where that's remotely a priority.

[wind hazel]

yes so it's not a priority

i believe i already said that above

[plucky tapir]

Regarding public guild dock expansion, is this a good idea or is it not useful? I.e normal guild facility takes over?

[wind hazel]

when he can do the daily raid he'd sitll be coming back to i-58

[viscid swift]

Tech level remains the same even when you leave to join an actual guild.

[plucky void]

join a guild if you can. you get discounts

[whole crypt]

there's a non-zero chance he gets himself a 1LB U-2501 in the next month and that could do better than bothering with i-58 at all

[viscid swift]

Probably not 1 LB but easily 0 LB.

[whole crypt]

if the skills work out yes

[wind hazel]

lol you're saying like dumping some exp books to lv70 and some purple bulins on a fucking sub is a total huge resources to take away with

[viscid swift]

Mori, they're in chapter fucking 3.

[wind hazel]

yes and they wont be doing daily raid on fucking chapter 3 holy shit

[whole crypt]

he has 0 XP pack income outside of cruise and weekly pack

[viscid swift]

So don't overload them with shit that's not relevant now.

[wind hazel]

why are you guys so fucking dense. he wont be doing daily raid NOW. he can use i-58 LATER when he is able to DO THE DAILY RAID

[whole crypt]

so you keep bringing up he can use it for something he won't be doing for a long while why do you insist on saying he can use it later

[wind hazel]

because he asked whether he could use i-58

[whole crypt]

he may not even need to use i58 when he gets around to it

[viscid swift]

So tell them later, when they're actually in a position to do it.

[wind hazel]

i simply answered him that he could use for daily raid which is the truth and fact

[viscid swift]

I think they very much meant in the context of now.

[wind hazel]

he cant fucking do daily raid now ffs are you guys really dense

[viscid swift]

Yes, but you forgot the key qualifier of later down the line.

And in this case significantly so.

[plucky tapir]

... speaking as someone who is also super early and also in this same situation. The game has a bit of information overload already. Its not helpful to be told of stuff that only matters much later.

[whole crypt]

notice we tend to try to avoid "down the line" because it floods new player with information that can just confuse them for now

[wind hazel]

nvm im done you guys are correct

[wind hazel]

dont worry they will give you multiple 10 pages long guide that will overload you guys just the same

[whole crypt]

lv123 Kizu and Nayoro can't survive 16-4

[plucky tapir]

But that guide did have lots of very relevant info that I needed to know or could use right away.

[wind hazel]

guess what, you will also find some guide doing daily raid using i-58 too! MIND FUCKINGF BLOWN

[plucky tapir]

Just saying this as a day 2 player myself and what my impressions are currently.

[viscid swift]

I do need to probably add daily raids to the guide.

[plucky tapir]

I get that you are trying to provide more info. I appreciate that thought. But the start of the game is overwhelming as it is.

[viscid swift]

Yeah which is why I tried to section the guide as much as possible.

[wind hazel]

tl;dr: don't touch the sub now. touch her when you can do daily raid, that's all

[viscid swift]

With even relatively minor points being their own subsections.

At least in the table of contents.

[plucky tapir]

Yeah. Not saying anything against your guide at all. Please dont take that as a negative thing.

[viscid swift]

Oh no, no offense taken.

[plucky tapir]

Its very helpful in fact! Its been very useful in navigating the entire game.

[viscid swift]

Glad to hear it! That's what I intended.

[plucky tapir]

One thing I did wish I knew to do earlier however. Was doing exercises even if I lose the matches to not cap on those and start earning points.

[whole crypt]

you get both XP and merits, just less than winning a match

but compared to not doing it at all, all you're losing is your win rate

[plucky tapir]

Yeah, its free currency and exp

And does not drain ship morale. Which was a real struggle to spend it down so I'm not overcapped on oil

[viscid swift]

Yeah unfortunately that's just early game struggles.

[idle dagger]

It's not good to do this in total!!. But when you overcapped with oil and can't spend it soon you can set 12 hours commission. Just for oil doesn't stay

[whole crypt]

that or buy some curry

but long comm is good if you're need the coins prior to oil cap

[viscid swift]

I'd take the long com only if you know you're gonna lose oil and not just overcapped.

[idle dagger]

Yes I mean this too

[whole crypt]

who am I to say I lost 15k oil in the past month because I was too busy to remember the event shops

the softcap is very low early on so it may take some getting used to knowing how much oil you can spend, especially if you're closing in to week change and haven't claimed weekly pack and/or weekly missions rewards

[plucky tapir]

Yeah. 1k cap on oil is what I started with.

I have not collected my weekly rewards or mission level rewards for this reason nntktt.

It would push me 6k over my cap.

[whole crypt]

resource management is going to be a bit rough in early game, personally I think you'll be fine taking long comm given how much coin you'll spend and it's quick to recover because your oil costs are still fairly low

you actually have to think ahead a bit when claiming weeklies on low oil cap if you don't want to end up losing oil

[plucky tapir]

Honestly? The biggest time/wall in early game is ship mood. Funny enough.

[whole crypt]

yep

[viscid swift]

Yep that makes sense.

[inner delta]

its not just early game, late game mood is also the issue

[whole crypt]

yeh but lategame you spend oil faster and you have more softcap to play with

[wind hazel]

it sucks worse early game because you havent expanded your dorm

so like 1/3 of your ships are still not dormed, and only getting 20/hr regen

[whole crypt]

even on oil cap you'll spend more oil per fight than a lowbie fleet in ch3

[plucky tapir]

Yeah. Just got my third slot not too long ago.

[whole crypt]

and yeh dorm expansions

[plucky tapir]

Been cycling ships on dorm slots to get them rotated.

[whole crypt]

it's also a big difference when you have 2k cap claiming 4k oil compared to say having 8k oil out of a 12k cap then claiming 4k oil

[plucky tapir]

Trying to keep their happiness higher.

[whole crypt]

as long as they're green you're fine, I wouldn't think too much about keeping above 120 morale if that's what you're doing

[plucky tapir]

Yeah. Its an "oh boy. How on earth am I going to dump all this when ship says. NO."

Commissions also suck to do right now. Just the lack of lv 10/15/30 ships that are free to send out is painful. And its a question if I pull main fleet members and put them on a trip for those hours and wait each time.

I had a full page of lv 60 required ships at one point.

And one lv 1 comission.

[whole crypt]

just you wait till you unlock chip commissions

[wind hazel]

how soon do newbies get to 2nd floor dorm

[agile pewter]

A month or so

[plucky tapir]

Its so slow getting the darn coins from commissions.

If I'm lucky ill have 2 or 3 of those able run full time without my main ship squad.

[atomic abyss]

It is unfortunately a slog early game

Early game your primary coin source will likely end up being dailies

[whole crypt]

a month or so yeh, if you save your dorm coins for floor expansions first

[wind hazel]

🫃 damn new player experience sucks

[whole crypt]

the first expansion is better comfort/coin anyway than any furniture

you get a fair bit out of cruise

[plucky tapir]

Every coin is going toward expansion until I can get the darn 2nd floor.

[whole crypt]

with cruise nowadays the first 2 expansions are fairly quick, it's the third one that takes a while

[lilac musk]

Bruh, is there any fleet recomendation for 3 staring chapter 16-3 & 16-4 on auto other than suchiguma's guide? I don't have zuiho & cowpen, I am still stuck in chapter 16-3, I still can't 3 star 16-3 even after threat lvl 0

[viscid swift]

What did you try to 3 star 16-3 with?

[signal path]

Does akashi appear on C2 and C3 too?

[viscid swift]

Yes.

[signal path]

So is it More efficient to grind for AP on C2 and C3 than C1?

[wind hazel]

no because they use more ap for the same chance

[lilac musk]

Musashi fleet for dealing main fleet and boss, rafaelo fleet for recon fleet and asw

[strong tartan]

No cow?

[lilac musk]

Yeah, no cowpen and zuiho

[strong tartan]

ouch

[viscid swift]

What Gear were they running?

And where did they fail?

[sweet delta]

Any better cats than a Justice?

[plucky tapir]

by the way, I assume I do not want to use any bullins on any ship that can be potentially farmed as drops?

[sweet delta]

Purple bulins are plentiful

[plucky tapir]

I.E. Dont use the purple ones on Unicorn?

[onyx flame]

if your planning to use them right away just bulin em

[plucky tapir]

Oh? Purple ones are easy to come by?

[viscid swift]

Yep.

[onyx flame]

very

[plucky tapir]

So used to any sort of these things being.... super scarse and hard to get.

[onyx flame]

that is the case for SR and ur bulins

so be picker with those ships

[viscid swift]

Well, they still can be a bottlekneck.

[plucky tapir]

but for elite, dump em away on ships I know I'm going to be using. Is the message I'm seeing.

[viscid swift]

Yeah.

[lilac musk]

Last main fleet before boss

[viscid swift]

You're using Subs on out of ammo fights yeah?

I'd swap Kurumi and Laffey 2.

[lilac musk]

Yeah I use sub, but kamikaze boat keep passing and deal chunk of damage to main fleet

[viscid swift]

Let Laffey do the bulk of the ASW in that fleet.

[soft raft]

Where did your Hedgehog go

[plucky tapir]

Wait, if the elite bullins are so common, would it actually be better to use them instead of say, dupe laffey's I get from missions and instead "retire" excess dupe laffey for the medals?

[soft raft]

up to you

Purple bullins are so easy to get that it doesnt really matter

[viscid swift]

Well they give the same amount of Medals.

[sweet delta]

I think the haphazardly thrown together AA guns don't help, especially the +10 golds and the +13 gerat

[viscid swift]

Yikes, missed that.

[sweet delta]

Rudder on laffii is also wrong when your healers heal by target max HP

[plucky tapir]

Just looking at the medal shop myself and thinking it might be worth doing since in the shop there there is the gold bullin and san diego CL which I have read is pretty good for later on in the game before the month ends.

[viscid swift]

AA Radar on a vanguard is also a choice.

[whole crypt]

you can use the dupes first and save the bulins for other ships

[sweet delta]

Laffii has nothing else to do anyways

[viscid swift]

Well, not in that fleet at least.

[plucky tapir]

That's what I've been doing so far nntktt. Been trying to stockpile all the bullins

[soft raft]

Fr where did your hedgehog go
Why are you not using it

[lilac musk]

I don't have enough UR blue print to create more UR AA, so I just put higher gold AA I have

[whole crypt]

have you considered coming back after you get rainbow AA

[onyx flame]

if you grind enough, by the end of the month you should be able to wipe out both hull choices, sr bulins and spec cores
thou i would highly consider possible skipping the sr bulins in favor of spec core with the new ur coming (not a suggestion)

[lilac musk]

Should I put repair tool?
Or any other item?

[onyx flame]

on kurumi

[sweet delta]

Kurumi

[soft raft]

Oh wait I was only looking at the boss fleet and thought that was the mob for some reason never mind

[sweet delta]

Hedgehog should have been +13 two chapters ago

[onyx flame]

btw anyone know if there a link limit per message in this server
trying to compile cheeky docs into 1 message to make it easier to search and find

[viscid swift]

^

[plucky tapir]

should I not pick up San Diego first though?

[leaden mountain]

anyone know what this is?

[atomic abyss]

The issue is the masked links

We don't allow them

[onyx flame]

oh yea was formatting those out

[whole crypt]

try relogging

[viscid swift]

Here's all my guides in a folder.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lPyWA4S4x3ZX1-s974SrP40-VWPOW3gK?usp=drive_link

[leaden mountain]

👍

[onyx flame]

yea, then afterwards its kinda a toss up between sr bulins and spec cores on which you want first. personally i prefer spec as those are needed for ur bulins and are much harder to come by

[plucky tapir]

I think that's a good idea. I'll just jump whatever I have leftover into the spec cores

[onyx flame]

could also just grind a lot and get all of em but well your kinda capped by your morale as you mention earlier

[whole crypt]

personally I'd say take spec cores over SR bulins

[lilac musk]

I don't have enough gold plate, and in last 2 chapter asw still work well

[sweet delta]

Unless my map is wrong, there should only be 5 or 6 enemy main fleet nodes in 16-3. If that's what's killing you, then just reset the battle if one battle has particularly bad luck

WDP being crushed by affinity doesn't help either

[whole crypt]

just thinking if your reason for not trying to use better gear is that you can't afford it now have you considered not trying the hardest stages in the game now as well

[plucky tapir]

how many medals does an elite ship give when retired?

[whole crypt]

4

[idle dagger]

Isn't +13 adds damage only against sirens?

[plucky tapir]

Good to know. I'll have to try to hit maps that have highest drop rate for elites then that I can do. (assuming that's just the highest level thing I can do anyway.)

[atomic abyss]

Nope
It also adds some stats
The most stats are added when upgrading from +12 to +13

[onyx flame]

just retire whatever you get from map drops that you alr have 1 copy of alr, except commons those goes straight into enhancing

[atomic abyss]

Which is why the recommendation is not to upgrade stuff over +10 unless you can go straight to +13

[whole crypt]

all weapons add 18% more damage from +10 to +13, siren bonus is on top of that if relevant

[idle dagger]

Thanks. It's hidden then? Always thought +13 only for sirens

[atomic abyss]

It's not hidden

[lilac musk]

Okay, I will try again in few days after new UR event, hopefully it's will work, I have use your guide for chapter 14 until now with little modification and it's was work, I hope it's only bad luck, and gear lvl issue, thankyou for your advice

[whole crypt]

it was

[sweet delta]

Musashi Aquila Perseus Kurumi wdp z52

Raffaello unicorn independence laffii(hedgehog+depthcharge) sandy guam

[whole crypt]

all weapons gain about +4/6/8% damage at +11/12/13, it's just different how some weapons add them

[sweet delta]

It is hidden in EN

[normal thistle]

I can't clear 4.4. What should I do?

[plain saffron]

it is, we got "modifier Lvl n" instead of actual numbers

[plucky tapir]

Farm an earlier map. I'm more or less in the same spot. I farmed 4-1 since that's what I could get the 3 star on and farmed that.

[whole crypt]

go back to level up more
improve gear
LB ships

[idle dagger]

Somehow I missed part about bonus %. Can you show where it written please?

[hard mesa]

Only showed on CN

[whole crypt]

in-game it's only shown as modifier lv1-3 or some shit, unless it's a plane

[plain saffron]

also in CN even at +0 it shows the %

[rapid shard]

For W16-3 and 4. Any major changes i should make? i do have a second twin 76 but not sure who to throw it on

[whole crypt]

planes directly get the damage added to the plane weapons presumably because they do not have a coefficient stat that translates from the plane to the plane's weapons

[idle dagger]

I see. So need check wiki

[whole crypt]

no need though, it's the same for every weapon

you get 4% at +11. another 6 at +12 then 8 at +13 for total of 18% more damage when you get to +13

[sweet delta]

Calculator can set retrofit by default, give Musashi tanking aux, wdp double defense, laffii double asw, if not 3 star then unicorn doesn't need asw

[idle dagger]

Got it. Thanks

[plucky tapir]

Locked ships dont show up in retire right?

[viscid swift]

Correct.

[rapid shard]

Rudder and FPE?

[sweet delta]

Stagger the eagle CVs more

[viscid swift]

Maybe replace Yorktown 2 with Independence.

[sweet delta]

I don't remember if Musashi has salvos to main fleet. If not, then your boss fleet doesn't need AA

[normal thistle]

Where exactly?
I have mid gear.
Already.

Maybe I need to change some ships in my fleet?

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide/

[normal thistle]

I can't fight without ammo on 4.1

[sinful relic]

last one!

[rapid shard]

This is timing with indep setup.

[onyx flame]

Cheeky doc guides (as of 17/5/26)
[Full List]: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lPyWA4S4x3ZX1-s974SrP40-VWPOW3gK?usp=drive_link

[whole crypt]

farm the latest stage you can comfortably farm
obviously missing LBs on the BBs, Helena and Unicorn can also probably use one more

when you say you cannot fight without ammo on 4-1 do you mean you lose the 0 ammo fights?

also note that after you repeat the stage a few times the danger level comes down and it becomes easier too, unless you already have it down to safe

[normal thistle]

I don't want to use SR Bulins for them, I want to save them.

Yes, with 0 ammo I am cooked.

[plucky tapir]

Good thing I found out about medals and retiring ships for them. Because I was trying to limit break each and every ship haha.

[whole crypt]

why bother saving purple bulins you get like 4 each week

[wind island]

yeah you need to LB your ships, especially your main fleet

[viscid swift]

Why would you want to save purple bulins.

They're not that rare.

[plucky tapir]

He said SR, which is gold?

[viscid swift]

For the record, on Global SR means Gold.

[whole crypt]

he has 0 gold ships there

[wind island]

also you can't use gold bulins on purple ships

[viscid swift]

Not Purple.

[wind island]

"my sister can only limit break one color, but i can do three! that means i'm better, right?"

*yes

[onyx flame]

sr for cn/jp is purple its a lil wacko

[viscid swift]

Gold there is SSR.

[normal thistle]

I'm keeping them because won't I get better ships soon? Besides, my ships are too low for LB, and I get little experience in battles.

[viscid swift]

You won't and even if you did.

[wind island]

unicorn is literally the best

[viscid swift]

As I said Purple Bulin ain't that uncommon.

[sinful relic]

whats the earliest weapon in gear lab i could prob make for tohka?

[viscid swift]

And right now our goal is to get to W9.

[viscid swift]

That's worth crafting? Probably one of the Gold DD guns.

[normal thistle]

What about the blue ships, do you think it's worth spending Bulins on them too?

[viscid swift]

Yes.

[viscid swift]

You get 31 Purple Bulins a month plus 10 more in the Medal Shop and a bunch from clearing Campaign.

[sinful relic]

one of these?

[normal thistle]

Shouldn't you buy something more valuable at the Medal Shop?

[viscid swift]

None of those can be crafted in the lab.

[sinful relic]

oh...

[viscid swift]

Yeah but they're there if you really need them.

[sweet delta]

if you cycle through that row, you'll see that you're already using it...

[sinful relic]

OH i didnt know i could scroll XD

[onyx flame]

got tohka but not moskva gun?

[viscid swift]

Might need to make the numbers a bit bigger suchi.

[sinful relic]

started this account on the date a live banner

[onyx flame]

i mean yea moskva was after dal

[sinful relic]

[viscid swift]

Well after, in February this year.

[sinful relic]

i dun remember

[viscid swift]

Her event.

[sinful relic]

also how many do i need of her?

[onyx flame]

343

[viscid swift]

343 but you can coin her.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/194GQ9AJbmXjxUZAbMlnUCUQt6v_Tjnebedpbz7wn78c/edit?usp=sharing

Might wanna read that.

[sinful relic]

uh... yeah about that, i think i took a break during her? i took a break mid way through laffey 2 banner, and if she was directly after date a live banner i wouldnt have enough cubes ig.

i came back 4 days ago

[sinful relic]

ive read through this a little.

uhh how much coins in general without blueprints?

[onyx flame]

the bps are discounted its like 3k coins for 10 bps a day for pr

[sinful relic]

oh thats not too bad

that means i should finish saint louis within a month?

[onyx flame]

if you dont include Fate sim 35 days at 10 bps a month

[wind island]

this feels like a dumb question but i'm having problems syncing nakhimov to basically everyone else, with her 23-24 second cycle. is this supposed to happen?

[whole crypt]

FS isn't a huge priority for Anchorage and just for tanking dev25 is a good breakpoint, assuming you don't have a decent functional tank otherwise by then

[whole crypt]

depends on what you're trying to sync with, may be solved by changing some planes/beacons/maintenance manjuu

low CV RLD tech can be a problem

[atomic abyss]

Also a note that ships that are not max lb or max dev do not get tech bonuses

[viscid swift]

I need to put together a quick list ranking fate Sims don't I....

[whole crypt]

also also depending on what you're doing and what else you're using you may not need to bother with sync anyway

[atomic abyss]

So it sims yes

[viscid swift]

I'll bug suchi for some damage differences tomorrow.

[wind island]

i have soyuz and warspite using 20 second guns, but even then adding in the fire control tables makes everything worse

[atomic abyss]

Trying to sync say with Soyuz would need finagling

Ah I was right LOL

If you're using Soyuz and Warspite with Nakhi

[wind island]

lol yeah i don't have enough bulins for moskva atm

[wind hazel]

what are you trying to sync them for

[atomic abyss]

There's 0 need for syncs

Unless you're trying to like sync Nakhi with Helena

[whole crypt]

I don't think it's necessary though, for coining you'll basically always be better off just finishing another ship than going FS first, for "current" series you either don't have FS or you'll just keep doing research anyway

[atomic abyss]

Which is takes either herculean amounts of tech or using worse planes

[wind island]

really? i was under the impression that i need to land nakhi's strikes within a 6 second window of soyuz's main barrage loading

[atomic abyss]

As much as BBs appreciate a freeze as much as anyone
They don't need it as much as a carrier

[viscid swift]

Yeah but there are outliers like AvP.

[wind hazel]

what are you trying to sync them for? what content is this

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't seriously recommend pushing AvP nowadays

[wind island]

just generic single target bossing, hard arbiter

[viscid swift]

Probably for Nahki's Crit damage buff.

[atomic abyss]

That's a rather questionable team for harbi

[viscid swift]

Which is not insignificant.

[atomic abyss]

But in any case the only options outside getting more tech

Is to use beacons or worse planes

[viscid swift]

Or Cats...

Which is just yeah....

[atomic abyss]

Trying to sync carriers with BBs in general is a nightmare without tech

[whole crypt]

AvP's only real use is stopping for a CV fleet, it's pretty situational whether you need to put one together at all and whether that fleet needs AvP

[wind island]

oh ok ig my real question was "is this a common issue or am i doing something really wrong"

[viscid swift]

Could also try lowering BB reload Tech.

[viscid swift]

This is as expected.

[atomic abyss]

Common issue, but then I think it's necessary to ask yourself if it's really worth trying to hard so sync

[viscid swift]

BBs are generally faster than CVs.

[atomic abyss]

As Humphrey said
Could turn off BB reload tech
And maybe they'll cross the 20s mark

Then with beacon try to push Nakhi to like 22?

[whole crypt]

also try faster planes

[wind island]

gotcha

[wind hazel]

0 rld bb cv, but this is using shittier plane and not optimal setup

[atomic abyss]

So saiuns as your TB for example

[wind hazel]

if you want to use higher end setup like la9 etc, you gonna need CV rld. 0 is kinda impossible to setup for them to sync with better gear

[viscid swift]

Not like the sync needs to be that tight though.

[atomic abyss]

It is absolutely possible but it does take some finagling

You may want to use the calc shown above to make your life easier

Warkai reload is higher than Soyuz isn't it

[viscid swift]

I think she's lower because 2019 ship.

[wind island]

damn lol i really wanted to use my la9s

[whole crypt]

time to level some trash carriers

[wind island]

is it not worth kneecapping soyuz with a 22 second gun?

[viscid swift]

Nope never mind.

[whole crypt]

only if it's a good gun

[wind hazel]

not sure if there's any good 22s gun

[viscid swift]

181

[whole crypt]

and off the top of my head spoot is a relatively fast BB

[wind hazel]

raff gun is good enough i think?

[atomic abyss]

If warkai is faster which is what I recall
The BB gun jamming may already make Soyuz fire after 21s anyways

[whole crypt]

if it's medium armour yes?

[wind hazel]

slow enough, can probably still proc the freeze with 2 la9

[viscid swift]

We used Raff gun mainly to sync Soyuz to Nahimov.

[atomic abyss]

So your "sync" window is considerably easier

[viscid swift]

Which is relatively slow for BB guns.

[whole crypt]

spoot bossing is kind of cope in 2026, maybe next UR can replace her for you

[atomic abyss]

/calc In any case

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Calculator for precise fleet reload times by mrlar

[wind hazel]

inb4 i quit during raff event

[atomic abyss]

You may want to fiddle with this to find what's optimal for you based on your tech and planes

[whole crypt]

what arb is up this month

[atomic abyss]

Med?

[wind hazel]

str

[onyx flame]

Strength

[atomic abyss]

I've never bothered to remember the names

[whole crypt]

oh right hermit was the first in the rotation back in that June wasn't it

[wind hazel]

if all else fail just manual it lol

[wind island]

alright well this is what i'll go with ig, is the timing tight enough?

[whole crypt]

you'll probably want to drop table for a black

[sinful relic]

at the current rate im going, maybe 2 days? and ill have saint louis unlocked.

is it possible to coin her?

[last ocean]

do augments not work for what you're doing?

[rapid shard]

You can tell if they are coinable by looking at the bp symbol under them. one on the right for example

[onyx flame]

PR 1 - 6 and DR 1 - 5 are coinable

[desert kettle]

What's the best way to grind EXP? If my Campaign progression is 6-2 so far?

[wind hazel]

continue pushing, repeat highest map. if your average fleet level is ~80 you can do UU/PP SP5 in war archives

[waxen ingot]

will this go up 1, when next PR9 released in July

[wind hazel]

no, it's usually January update

[agile pewter]

When might fate simulation for series 8 come

Was it july or august if I remember reading it

[quick mason]

Is the yellow enough?

[rapid shard]

For what?

For campaign just buy the 457 from the protocore shop. the gold is only used for pvp setups

[lilac musk]

It's work, I just change rafaello gun to AP, so they can deal with all recon fleet + 1 main fleet, and focusing air strike to main fleet, I will do 16-4 after next UR event

[whole crypt]

what augments

[last ocean]

that's what I was asking. looked like a build confirmation, but I'm not sure if there are any augments that would affect timing

[whole crypt]

the highest you can repeat, if you can manage polaris archive then there's the lowest level stuff you can probably hit up with oil cap and no odd requirements

[last ocean]

used Divergent Chessboard for a little while myself

[whole crypt]

none of the generic augs have RLD

chessboard D1 is probably lower level than polaris but hard mode has the problem of needing to meet level/stat reqs

[clever goblet]

what do yall recommend i buy from the shops with coins

[whole crypt]

cubes when they show up
maybe red books

[clever goblet]

oh ight

[fossil lark]

are any of the SP war archive events worth grinding for, and if so, which ones should i go for?

ive heard that passionate poaris is a good xp grinder

but i wanted to know which ships i should go for

[onyx flame]

Only if you need cmd exp and arent at w9 plus there no event
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uOuTkZt3ymF2ZZMaEtT8jraFk1avo7YX7pf8D7Ej-Y/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.32aq1eau15qk

[fossil lark]

for the commander xp thats for this one right?

[wind hazel]

this or universe in unison. both are the same-ish

[fossil lark]

kk

[waxen ingot]

is there much difference in having a good clan versus any clan - and what would be classified as a good one

[onyx flame]

As long they are running the guild ops its good

[waxen ingot]

should guild ops be on all the time

[onyx flame]

Always

[waxen ingot]

got about 20 out of 60 that are probably inactive, but the guild leader is active every day

[idle dagger]

There are 2 per month. If guild can't finish them change guild

[rose whale]

What's 16.3 boss armor type?

[rose whale]

Sometime the guild is too good and finish 2 ops early, leave the rest of the month without any ops running

[whole crypt]

there's basically no reason to run more than 2 ops because it costs the guild to start one

each player can only join 2 ops each month and active players would have been done with the first 2

[rose whale]

HE AP or normal ammo for bb in 16.3 boss fleet?

[whole crypt]

boss looks like myoukou so medium

personally I'd probably bring 457 since your biggest problem is probably going to be production BBs anyway

unless you're using Musashi

[slow fox]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/bosses?nation=3&type=3

[rose whale]

I see. How about the quad rainbow? Is it effective?

[slow fox]

She IS medium!

[rose whale]

My mu is busy in mob fleet

[livid wyvern]

does a team builder exist out there where I can see whats my best setup against medium armour bosses

[slow fox]

https://twocanoftuna.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[rose whale]

Musashi is mob fleet, alsace for boss

[whole crypt]

if you mean one that automates a comp based on what you have no

[rose whale]

Quad rainbow or 457 better for my alsace in 16.3 boss? 😁

[wind hazel]

swap napoli with brest, let napoli brest main tank

although im not sure if jda is even good for what you are doing

[rose whale]

So napoli into main tank of boss fleet?

[whole crypt]

give both a shot I guess, could differ depending what the rest of the fleet is

[rose whale]

I posted my fleets above

[livid wyvern]

got it, is hard arbiter this month possible with my current ships?

[whole crypt]

probably 457 desyncs better but I can't say for sure

[wind hazel]

is taht yorktown2 mlb?

[livid wyvern]

unfortunately not

[wind hazel]

depends on your gear but it's possible i guess

-# slight doubt from me

[whole crypt]

given the state of the dock I don't have great hopes on the gear, shaving 75% should be doable though at least for partial rewards

[livid wyvern]

i see thanks! gear aside what would be a good team to attempt it

i do have some rainbow guns like meck gun and planes like la-9

[wind hazel]

soyuz nakhimov lexii moskva helena/sirius/plymouth would be your best chance

[rose whale]

Time for another 16.3 attemp, hope i can win more consistently

[whole crypt]

I recommend throwing a second rate fleet together for the other slots and shave what you can first, then try to use the best fleet to get a kill shot in

[wind hazel]

do you have better ship than jda. also let z52 offtank

[rose whale]

Any suggestion? I have everyone except some ship in shop

[wind hazel]

gouden leeuw

and using lexii instead of amagi

laffey2 can replace brest as well

[rose whale]

Lex2 and laf2 in pvp gear, kinda lazy to switch 😅

[wind hazel]

brother

[inner delta]

use the preset or loadout

quick setup

idr

[idle dagger]

Bro. Also cleaned w15 in pvp gear 😂 If you really have all ships there are chinese setups for copy-paste for w16

[rose whale]

Im working on 16.3 though

[hard dock]

what's the diff between preset and loadout

[rose whale]

Maybe preset is your own creation, loadout can be made by someone else? Just wild guess based on the UI

[plucky tapir]

According to the shop priority guide, it says I should aim for both the San Diego and Sirius before getting any specilized cores.

[onyx flame]

Preset is your own saved gear loadout
Loadouts is what other people are using (typically not good)

[wind hazel]

wat

that sounds a bit dubious...

the 3k spcore should get higher priority especially if you're new

3k spcore>new ship that is useful for you, enty alabama etc>gold bulins>chips and arrays>the rest

[plucky tapir]

I think I will do San Diego > Cores > Sirius > Gold Bulin

[wind hazel]

and you cant get both sandy and sirius in the same month unless you have 2 CL slots

[onyx flame]

Their in lil e which has 2 cl

[wind hazel]

lol

[plucky tapir]

I have two CL slots on this shop window

[wind hazel]

i'd just get sandy twice to be honest

sirius wont be useful for you until you have proper CV bossing fleet

a mlb sandy with augment will at least be useful for campaign

[plucky tapir]

Wont it take a long while for her to roll back around again in shop for me?

or will it take that long for me to get to that point that it does not matter?

[wind hazel]

maybe. but sirius isn't gonna make or break your fleet

[slow fox]

mori removing Tbs worked

[onyx flame]

Its rng for all you know lil enty could get 2 cl again next month

[wind hazel]

idk what you're experimenting but good

[plucky tapir]

I'll have to see how many medals I actually end up with at the end of the month.

[sinful relic]

worth?

[slow fox]

W15 lifetimes to approximate eHP

So you have to test in 2 different environments.

Max intercept/AA and min intercept/AA.

For max intercept/AA, the fleet was dealing too much damage, and Portland wasn't dying.

[slow fox]

coin yes gem no

[plucky tapir]

for exp farming, I want to make sure I do it on a 3 star map right?

due to the lower oil cost?

[hollow void]

It is based on clear % not stars

[tulip tinsel]

3* doesn't make it oil capped

[robust onyx]

You want to do it on maps with oil cap

[rapid grail]

this part true on "oilcap" stages

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[olive geyser]

should i get the rainbow twin 76mm AA or rainbow bofors AA for sandy?

[wind hazel]

idk what rainbow bofor is but 76 is the only good rainbow AA to get

o shit 57 is called bofor

[wind hazel]

i stop reading here

[whole crypt]

regardless 76mm is generally better and you probably won't run into the odd cases where 57mm may do better

[olive geyser]

[plucky sky]

Guys does the kms ur event already live now?

[tulip tinsel]

according to stream it's on the 20th

[strong tartan]

next thursday per usual

wait im stupid the 20th isnt thursday

[onyx flame]

its starting early?

[sinful relic]

is the 2nd floor better morale regen or bottom floor?

[idle dagger]

2nd

[strong tartan]

not the first time theyve done this, theyve had livestreams/updates on different days than usual

[eternal basalt]

Yes... by one day

[kindred arrow]

Last year's event also started on a wednesday iirc

[strong tartan]

i dont know why by one day but whatever

[normal thistle]

I looked at the tier lists on azur-lane-regal.suchiguma, and I already understand that there are different ships for different purposes, but how terrible are Tier D ships? Does this mean they're completely unplayable, or can they do anything if you invest a huge amount of resources into them, which is essentially irrelevant for a beginner?

[wind hazel]

most D ships wont be useful for end game content, but for a newbie some D ships might be useful

try to use C tiers at least

[normal thistle]

For example, which ones?

[idle dagger]

It says "End game content"

[normal thistle]

I've seen people say not to touch purple ships at all for retrofitting, except for Helena and Unicorn.

[wind hazel]

like ark royal for example

[idle dagger]

Some ships are too aged even their retrofit

[tulip tinsel]

there are other good purple retrofits but most are junk

[wind hazel]

damn AR has some C

west virginia for example. D across all, but she's a useable BB for newbie

but also no point when you can get Maryland.......

[normal thistle]

Yeah, aged like milk

[sweet delta]

WV is C in half

[wind hazel]

i must be schizoing

[normal thistle]

Are you sure?