gameplay-help

[exotic sorrel]

Heard she's pretty good, soo that means I might use her... Unlike some certain UR DD I have in my docks ..

[wind island]

same idk about the NP UR art

all i know is that she frees nyakhimov from the tyranny of sovetsky soyuz

[exotic sorrel]

Ooh quick Moskva guide apparently she's an insanely good vanguard ship

Okay wait ykw my Musashi from selector can wait I'm gonna try get copies of Moskva to mlb her

[viscid swift]

I would question why you would do pulls on the perma pool at all

[sweet delta]

How rich are you on cubes to be pulling for dupes and perma?

[whole crypt]

because not everyone knows or thinks they need to avoid the rubbish perm pools

[wind island]

i assumed that she was just a main tank with utility is it from barrages?

[frank phoenix]

i got jumpscared by a 8mb download and a wierd cube animation. turns out it was Gnaut META or what was it called

[viscid swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itePU1MF9V0&t=34s

[exotic sorrel]

Not sure, summary of the video says she's like a "top 3 vanguard DPS unconditionally" unlike some other DPS

Oh yeah that exact vid

[knotty jolt]

unconditionally means she doesn't need something or someone to set her up to reach full potential

[wind island]

what if i'm deaf and blind

[frank phoenix]

you unlock the potential to hear colors and see sounds

[viscid swift]

at that point I don't understand how you're even here

[wind island]

if hellen keller can do it so can i

[frank phoenix]

AI assist hand's free

[exotic sorrel]

Just curious why is Eldridge over there is that like her retrofit or is that a separate ship like Bismark Zwei?

[frank phoenix]

retrofit

[whole crypt]

we're here to deliver good advice, or at least at best to our knowledge
we can't force you to do what's good for your progression if you prefer to do otherwise

[wind island]

eldridge retrofit top squishy tank

[exotic sorrel]

Since when the hell did she get a retrofit 😭 I've been avoiding on buying her back then on the merit shop

[hidden pasture]

Does the ectl outdated or still update

[sweet delta]

Eldridge retro since 1.5 years ago

[wind island]

never watched a sushi video before but it's a slideshow, this is peak

i'm allergic to watching gameplay

[frank phoenix]

isn't her retrofit item in the core shop? XD

[knotty jolt]

Suchi is good +1 view

[wind island]

no i think it reruns later this year

*hopefully

[knotty jolt]

Not rerun i think it's being added permanently next go around

[sweet delta]

They've been updating it kike twice a year for the past 3 years. And their new player guide is 4 years outdated and they refuse to update it, put a disclaimer, or take it down

[exotic sorrel]

Would it be okay to pair roon and Moskva together in my pve fleet

[sweet delta]

There's no advantage or disadvantage in doing so

[hidden pasture]

I just saw shinano on tier 0 so im questioning

[sweet delta]

Just put good ship and good ship

[exotic sorrel]

I'm so close to that 2m exp requirement 😭 these kinds of missions r killing me

Actually maybe I should worry about fleet building later since I'm not in chapter 12+ yet

[hidden pasture]

Does implacebel good?

[wind island]

i think you're under the impression that shinano is bad, but people are just telling you she's not the best compared to her competition

[knotty jolt]

We've pretty much fully power crept impalce off i think

[exotic sorrel]

I'm just sticking to SanDiego Retro Moskva and Helena retro

[frank phoenix]

just 3x auto 12-4 or whatever is highest/oil capped mission u can do and put down the phone for like 20 min

[hidden pasture]

Yeah as a new player i am easily under impression

Like an infant

[wind island]

yes, shinano is probably the worst UR CV, but she's still better than 96% of other ships when MLB

[hidden pasture]

Will try to change that while learn more

[hidden pasture]

Is she better than implacable

[exotic sorrel]

I'm back to farming cubes I have 30+ and I'm kinda tempted to build in perm pool

[wind island]

damn bro with your "i'm gonna pull moskva dupes" i thought you were loaded

[wind island]

no she's worse

[exotic sorrel]

Cuz I don't have enough UR bulins (only 3 in my dock so far)

So like I'm stuck between limit breaking Ulrich and Mos

[hidden pasture]

Oh alr, implacable is not a perma ur or am i trippin

[trim depot]

should i mlb moskva or wdp

[undone plover]

Show all your URs

[undone plover]

She is in perma now I believe

[wind island]

implacable has worse damage but better and more flexible offensive buffs
shinano has good buffs for other UR IJN CVs, and decent damage

[wind island]

i think she just got added last patch

[hidden pasture]

Hmm

Btw i have a long time til perma reach

Lets just be happy with elites

[exotic sorrel]

Yahh u might wanna stick to your unicorn and retro her soon

[trim depot]

will pull for moskva eventually

[exotic sorrel]

Same on my account prior to my return I stuck with Unicorn retrofit as well as some other elites that have retros

[sweet delta]

Max WDP now fr

[trim depot]

alr

[wind island]

don't worry even with implacable the best perma UR is still musashi

[whole crypt]

the trend of scamcat showing up on last day of month to sell AP continues

[hidden pasture]

I only need 3 gold retro things rn

[soft crest]

i saw a equipment guide and it says that the best torpedo bomber for bossing is Aichi B7A Ryuusei Kai but how to get it?

[whole crypt]

event limited

[sweet delta]

With a time machine

For now all you can get is the 4 other golds

[soft crest]

lol... i see... -__-

[sweet delta]

Saiun ju87d Ryusei vit

[whole crypt]

a single ryuusei kai doesn't make that much difference anyway even if you had it

[soft crest]

thanks for the info

[exotic sorrel]

Should I leave my guild if they don't open operations anymore

[onyx flame]

i would

[hushed sorrel]

if you are already maxed with the upgrades it wouldnt matter, but a active guild is a benefit either way. even if its for the logistic chest (which official name i forgot)

[exotic sorrel]

Okay thanks I left the guild as soon as you said that

[whole crypt]

guild tech is less important than not getting gold plates

[hushed sorrel]

i had in mind that you would have quite a bit guild coins left in storage after maxing

[whole crypt]

you can't join a new guild for 24 hours, can take this time to find a new home

[exotic sorrel]

Oh I forgot about that.... 😭

[odd igloo]

Is there any META ship that's good with/support carabiniere META in the META supply shop? I started two days ago, and she's my current most invested ship.

[whole crypt]

you bring whatever guild tech upgrades you bought with you anyway it doesn't matter whether the old guild has better or worse tech than your destination

[whole crypt]

it's actually a good time to find a new guild because you'll be in time to join the guild ops for march

[whole crypt]

your first mistake was investing in META ships in early game

[odd igloo]

oh

[whole crypt]

your next mistake was thinking getting another META ship to support her would be useful

[sweet delta]

I think cruise pass vanguard metas are at least better than starter DDs for new players

[exotic sorrel]

I highly doubt there's any good META ships 😭 ever since the first ever META ship that got released in the game and obtainable she was just kept in the dark

[whole crypt]

better but not really meaningfully I guess, the best part is just that they don't cost you bulins and skill leveling is separate

[exotic sorrel]

I still have my Hiryuu Meta ship lol

[whole crypt]

anyway @odd igloo
https://azurlaneecgc.com/newbie_tips/
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide/

[sweet delta]

Jintsuu meta is super meta in pvp and EX

[whole crypt]

maybe EX, she's kind of fell off a bit for PvP

[exotic sorrel]

Who do I limit break between Ulrich and Moskva cuz I have 3 UR bulins

[whole crypt]

also comparing Jintsuu META with cruise METAs is kind of rough

[sweet delta]

fr? Did anything newer than yuki change things

[whole crypt]

neither of them if it's not enough to MLB

[odd igloo]

thx. BTW I have Chang Wu, Taihou, and Avrora (who is stupidly low lv), should I invest in them? Today, my friend stole my device and threw all my EXP data into Chang Wu

[knotty jolt]

[whole crypt]

I mean the other 2 slots are basically static Laffey II and Eldridge, it's just which flavour you pick to go with them

[whole crypt]

read the guides and you'll find out

[knotty jolt]

First none, second secure your device better

[wind niche]

How good is moskva?

[whole crypt]

very

[exotic sorrel]

Very

[sweet delta]

If it's a flavor choice then that means they're both super meta

[odd igloo]

alr thx yall

[whole crypt]

EN PvP seems to think stall is king
CN seems to still be going for torp

[wind niche]

Like how good vs other UR vanguards? Should I use her with nakhimov and Soyuz?

[trim depot]

hammer for wdp right?

[knotty jolt]

Moskva actually lets you replace soyuz

[whole crypt]

Nakhimov definitely, Soyuz is the one we're thinking of dropping

[hollow gust]

Lion is king

[whole crypt]

we never removed Lion

thus is the Circle of (PvP) Life

[wind niche]

What fleet should Moskva be in for me?

[hollow gust]

With your Nahkimov

Dropping Soyuz means you can use Nahkimov in more fleets

[wind niche]

What ships does Nakhimov pair with?

[whole crypt]

even this wasn't enough to make Moskva's s2 go off in 12-4

[whole crypt]

the current standard is anti-medium with Soyuz and Rumey

Moskva frees Nakhimov from needing Soyuz but we don't have much of a new comp besides either moving Lion in or moving Moskhimov to be a stopper for IJN

[wind niche]

I don't have rumey so oof.

[whole crypt]

just use Moskva Soyuz Nakhimov in a boss comp for now I guess and throwing a third whatever for main

[wind island]

always slot in lion

[silk sphinx]

So what are currently suggested opsi cv boss fleets? Assuming everything.

[whole crypt]

you can triple IJN for heavy and just 🎲 for hitting
if you want a stopper then now Nakhimov with Moskva is better than Implacable but you need to replace one vanguard and dismantle anti-medium CV
there's no real "suggested", Bis/Meck/Lion can maim every boss in OS anyway

[wind niche]

How good is Meck?

[whole crypt]

just the current top anti heavy BB

[hollow plank]

how can i switch to d3? I completed part 1 and 2 but uiable to change them to c1 or d1? thanks!

[whole crypt]

and close to top for med and light

[whole crypt]

bottom left of the entry menu

[hollow plank]

is this the operation yellow tab? when I cloick on it, nothing happens @_@

[stoic horizon]

Switch between Hard and Normal there, so between A/B and C/D

[shell willow]

is there a rough estimate on when princeton meta becomes buyable in meta shop? im not really following how often past pass metas get added

[wraith pendant]

Is there a way to auto sub being called in a fight so that they get exp when auto farming stages ?

[whole crypt]

you can set autodeploy under roles but the subs still need to be in hunt range for it to happen

[onyx flame]

give it another 3 ish months? after the next season pass

[shell willow]

nice

[wraith pendant]

thank you very much

[zealous bough]

How do u unlock sp and ex in this event? Normally I see a hard mode button

[shell willow]

check this screenshot

[timber vector]

How do I complete this mission as fast as possible

[somber girder]

Assign Eagle union ships to your vanguard fleet and farm 11-1 all day and you should have it.

If you cant auto farm 11-1 yet check out this spread sheet and farm the highest one you can do https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUGpvLg9Q-BU8yGe-REeuZCydiK8Ffxh/edit?gid=1324172446#gid=1324172446

[timber vector]

okay thanksies

[onyx flame]

if you cant farm in w12 i wouldnt bother with shipyard at all

plus you should be grinding the event rn

[timber vector]

do comissions also count or not

[somber girder]

Not that I know of, and if they do its an insignificant amount of xp and not worth it.

[atomic abyss]

No, you basically need to actually use oil in battle for it to count

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

Yes

• Combat in Main Campaign, Events, Operation Siren
• Ships that are level capped for any reason, if the EXP otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• Muse (µ) ships and loli ships, if the faction matches.
• Use faction filters in Dock to double check.

No

• EXP from Exercise, Dorm, EXP Data Packs, Commissions.
• META ships. They are META faction, not the faction of their normal counterparts.

[viscid swift]

meh, why bother with 11-1

[somber girder]

iirc I farmed like 7-4 until I could do 11-1 but once you get a couple ships over lvl 100 it feels like its so much easier to get the others caught up too.
I would suggest focusing on making 2 decent fleets (Mob and Boss) and upgrade the equipment to +10, and taking them all to 110-120. Once you get some really good UR ships add them to the fleet 1 at a time until they arent getting nuked on 11-1 and staying there for a while to get all your really good ships equipped.
Do the events as they come out and focus on buying the gun you can get from the event, then the shipgirl, then items with spare event currency.
Save cubes for event pulls since those cycle every ~2 years. If you dont have good main fleets you can get Amagi and Kaga from 3-4 and they are plenty strong to take out 11-1 while you are trying to get better ships.

[whole crypt]

you don't do 7 until you can run 11, ch9 exists

[viscid swift]

why farm in non oil capped maps at all

[whole crypt]

building a second fleet is something you do when you can actually level said second fleet

[somber girder]

11-1 is a great XP and Gold farm for a low oil cost. There are better levels later on but unless you have good fleets and a good understanding on the equipment you will struggle on the later levels. It was a great Pitstop for me

[whole crypt]

12-1 is easier than 11-1

[onyx flame]

also comes with chips

[somber girder]

11-1 is oil capped at 801 oil for 3 runs

[viscid swift]

12-1 is better in every way except for XP-oil efficiency, including being easier to farm

[whole crypt]

also 3-4 is akagi and kaga, not amagi, also also that's a waste of time and SR bulins when you can do it with purple ships

[viscid swift]

11-1 is just a pit stop until you unlock and clear 12-1

same with 7-4 for 8-4 and eventually 9-1

[wraith pendant]

it was 5 days at most between me clearing 11-1 and 3 starring 12-4. Never went back to 11-1 since, can replace up to 3 leveling ships in the fleet, make gold, exp, chips, etc

[viscid swift]

not like 12-1 is that much worse than 11-1 for oil:xp efficiency anyway

[somber girder]

Didnt know that. When im leveling a ship Ill toss them in the middle of a fleet at lever 25 and auto run 11-1 until they hit 100. When I tried it with 12-1 the fleet would always fail so I didnt have great luck with it.

Your correct about the Akagi/Amagi mix up. im going from memory and they are such close names. As far as the gold bulins I always had tons of spares until I have a fleet of 400+ that I was leveling up. I kept running out of dock space.

[whole crypt]

welcome to #gameplay-help where we actually can tell you what's better and more efficient

12-1 is only harder than 11-1 if you're doing something wrong, and we can fix what's wrong here

[viscid swift]

why don't you just boost the ships to level 70 with XP packs when it comes time to toss them in

[whole crypt]

most newer players don't have the same luxury of having a lot of spare gold bulins if they raise any SR ships at all

[wraith pendant]

I usualy leave ships I'm gonna want to level up to 120 in the dorm for 10-ish days, until they reach 70, then if it's a main fleet ship I put it on 12-4 farm as they never die, if it's vanguard and squishy I exp pack them to 100 and put them on the 12-4 farming fleet

[somber girder]

im greedy with XP packs lol. Once I get a UR ship that I want to power up I drop 1K packs on them so im always trying to keep as many as possible

[whole crypt]

that's just wasting XP packs though

[viscid swift]

I mean sure but it'll take about 2 weeks to max their skills and you still have to grind affinity

[twin bronze]

Should I go with basic research or just wait till daily reset? i don't wanna spend cubes since I've hit pitty and im done with ships anyway

[whole crypt]

how long is your queue, if it's going to be empty till day change otherwise then just go with the basic

[viscid swift]

I would eat 3 cubes, the occasional cube research ain't gonna hurt you

[twin bronze]

7hrs

[whole crypt]

assuming you really can't spare 3 cubes

[onyx flame]

its just a daily worth of cube unless your really that short i suppose

[timber vector]

how do i get royal navy tech points for cheshire as a lvl 56

[whole crypt]

if you have a 7 hour gap then I guess 8 hour basic is not the worst play if you really want to hold on to the 3 cubes

part of the issue is he has 7 hours to burn and no refresh, if next research after the cube is still a bad lineup then

anyway this does 12-4 fine, S2 just won't go off

[viscid swift]

my advice wouldn't be don't at this stage

this also applies to grinding fleet tech

[whole crypt]

maybe I can bump Moskva a couple more levels and try getting the other two killed in 13-4

but yeh I really don't see the play with Moskva s2 outside of wanting to push late chapter with a Russian fleet

there's literally no normal use case where it matters

or works even

[tulip tinsel]

wait when opsi reset

[timber vector]

but i really want to get her

she's the reason i started playing this game

[whole crypt]

on day change to 1 Mar

[tulip tinsel]

push to 12-4 then do it there it's much better

[whole crypt]

so for EN around 35 hours?

[tulip tinsel]

i forgot feb is 28 days and aaaah im going insane with 3k spare ap

[whole crypt]

if you really want her you can drop a couple bucks to buy the PR3 voucher
there's really no good way to unlock PR ships early in the game

[viscid swift]

well you could pay 16 bucks to get her and the materials maxed right now

[onyx flame]

do c5 if you wanna burn it fast ig

[tulip tinsel]

howe

[viscid swift]

but if you're gonna grind, I'm telling you right now waiting will get you Cheshire faster and with less hassle than if you start now

[whole crypt]

go to a C5 zone stratsearch repeat secure same zone

[onyx flame]

assuming ofc you cleared the whole map and loggers alr

[tulip tinsel]

doing strongholds rn already did the other stuff

[whole crypt]

so I heard all about how C3s are better for a bit more cat dives but you're not going to convince me to give up my commander XP

[wraith pendant]

right I got Moscva, just missing Ozornoy, should I keep pulling daily for her, or go back to Light pulls pity building ?

[stark quiver]

are there still 5 days for opsi

[wraith pendant]

no one day left

[stark quiver]

wtf

[wraith pendant]

february, 28 days

[onyx flame]

unless you really wanna collect, prob back to light since we got soyuz rerun plus a collab coming

[fallow vault]

These are the two fleets im currently using is there anything i should change?

Someone did tell me to swap new jersey but i don't know with what

[onyx flame]

well we dont know what you have, so cant give suggestion either way
should post your dock as well

[fallow vault]

These are all the ones i have

Also should I retrofit Helena and also should i try and get more copies of the new ultra rare ship?

[keen flower]

if i dont have any other UR Van ships is there any reason to not mlb moskva?

[rustic adder]

if you would rather save for like shinano or another UR at the 400 pull selector, but u should be fine to just mlb the new unit

[lofty thistle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[timber vector]

Which ships should I grind for my main fleet (I also have shinano lvl 81 in my main one)

[wraith pendant]

Have you grabbed Unicorn and Helena from shop ?

Unicorn should be top priority as you don't seem to have a healer; Vanguard could be Friedrich Carl (tank) / Helena / any starter ship. Main Fleet would be Unicorn / A BB flagship (Francesco ? unless you have everything to retrofit warspite) / another CV

Also don't spread your bulins everywhere, it's best to max limit break one ship that you will be using, than partialy limit break a lot of different ships, which will do you no good

I'm sure more knowledgeable players will give you better advice for flagship and 3rd main fleet slot

[viscid swift]

might wanna give this a read
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide/

[timber vector]

oh alright thanks

[wraith pendant]

If you look up any of your ship's page on the wiki, and scroll docn to the "Limit break ranks" section, you can see that the best increase in power always comes from the 3rd limit break, that's why you focus bulins on one ship at a time, preferably on better ones, as you don't have an infinite source of gold bulins

[viscid swift]

eh

debatably true but that's not entirely the point either way

<@&460646206851252224> scam

[fast frigate]

which ships should i mlb

[wraith pendant]

I yield 🙂

[exotic wren]

Soy sauce should be next right? Or is there an SR event

[slow charm]

How freely can I spend cognitive chips? Am I safe to use them on my main fleet or should I be frugal with them?

[exotic wren]

Unicorn, Nelson should be fine to bring to 120(Unicorn to 125) can bring up Sandy to 120 as well

[eternal basalt]

Collab is probably april event, march event ???, rerun ???

[mint onyx]

if im trying to farm a ship from the war archives do all the levels that they can drop from have the same chance or do the hard mode levels give a higher chance?

[exotic wren]

If you're farming WA might as well do the D stages for the oilcap

[eternal basalt]

If they have the same amount of ships, they rarely do on older events though

[mint onyx]

ok thank you

[stoic horizon]

Generally put until you're late game (grinding ships to lvl 120 for fleet tech, essentially) I don't think you'll have issues with chips tbh, at least in my experience

[uneven knot]

hi chat, im assuming moskva is prio? I can get 6 more ur bulins

[eternal basalt]

Lexington better, main > vanguard

[uneven knot]

is lexi still valid without kearsarge or yk2?

[cobalt gate]

yeah, just have 2 other eagle ships in fleet

1 other mainfleet eagle union

[uneven knot]

bet maybe i can use independence w her

[formal mulch]

should I be trying to get an UR from the current banner or keep saving?

[rapid shard]

Always try and get limited URs

[woven star]

Laffy2 definitely. If have Essex retro will be good too

[uneven knot]

unfortunately no essex : (

[cobalt gate]

so when are we getting the gear lab update? i thought we get 2 yearly

enterprise still good

[zenith heron]

May I assume that these are your only UR Ships? and how many UR Bulins/Specialized Cores do you have?

[viscid swift]

yes, in July and December

[polar venture]

Is gangut meta worth?

[zenith heron]

None hasn't given a consensus about said ship, but META Ships take more time and special resources to use compared to normal ones

So its better to use your resources on someone else.

[viscid swift]

worth getting? yes
worth using, I haven't looked that closely at her

[stone lava]

she only has 2 skills but she's an SSR?

[turbid marsh]

BB FP +1 pretty worth getting and level, but thats something that a newer player shouldn't touch anyways

[turbid marsh]

there are... tons.... golds that have 2 skills only

[stone lava]

i just got back into the game idr much lol

[zenith heron]

Rarity doesn't mean its good after all, you have to analyze the usability of the ship, there are Blues and Purple Rarity ships that are somewhat better than Some Gold ships after all

[turbid marsh]

yeah also the skill description matter too

[stone lava]

yeah

I dont think i've ever used any of the META ships besides helena and jintsuu thats why i didnt really notice

[turbid marsh]

most of them are not worth using anyway

[chrome fox]

does anyone know why my game keeps freezing for no apparent reason in battles? im running the game on bluestacks emulator

[stone lava]

I think bluestacks is like one of the worst emus for AL

[zenith heron]

Go Mumuplayer instead, it has been bad ever since last September

[chrome fox]

i never had this issue for the last 4 years ohhh last september 😭 😭

[chrome fox]

mumu doesnt let me download AL 🥲 any other ideas?

[zenith heron]

There is LDPlayer but it has the same issue as Bluestacks
Also what do you mean Mumu12 doesn't let you download AL?

[chrome fox]

wait nvm, it was redirecting me to some korean thing for some reason LOL

[fast frigate]

yes and i have 2

[zenith heron]

I could put that to your Laffey 2 since Moskva can wait considering you don't have a Nakhimov.

Next is your Shinano then WDP because you should MLB them immediately if you have the resources, to use them at their full potential

[fast frigate]

thx

im developing nakhimov rn how long does it take normally

[wind hazel]

to dev30? 3-4 months of research

from 0. it's faster since you can convert bp and do her catchup now

[cyan rivet]

Is it worth to keep pulling for the other ships if u have 120/200 and just got the ur?

[wind hazel]

how many cubes?

actually just refer to this

How to pull on UR event?

Pull until you get the new UR ship. 1 copy is enough.

Got the new UR ship, what now?
Check your remaining cubes.

a) A lot, more than 1000++: Pull until you get all the ships.
b) Hmm, under 1000 but more than 500: Do 3 pull a day until you get everyone/end of event.
c) 200-500ish: 1 Light OR event banner per day max. Make a choice.
d) Under 200: Go back to 1 Light daily, save your cubes for next UR event.

[cyan rivet]

80 but 0 gold

[cyan rivet]

Ok ty for the infos

[frank phoenix]

I hopped on a new server while I was down on oil to see how long a reroll would take

Got moskva in 10 builds or so. Fk this game

[forest palm]

[frank phoenix]

Meanwhile I'm down 240 cubes on main and calculating how I can get enough to hit pity

[forest palm]

the event barely started

[hollow hollow]

Question regarding the support fleet

[frank phoenix]

Already maxed it

[wind hazel]

ask away

[frank phoenix]

How many cubes from dailies+weekly during banner ?

[hollow hollow]

I'm running triple lusty class, is there better options for interception? I know Fritz can run 140% 2x 4 Fighters, but loses out some AVI due to no 3rd plane slot.

Or is it because I can be using Wyverns for the torp slot? Do they intercept on support?

[wind hazel]

fritz nakhimov essex hwah jah>any illustrious class

[hollow gust]

No plane slot doesn't matter

[hollow hollow]

I missed essex's retro item 🙁

[hollow gust]

All that matters is counting the number of fighters

[wind hazel]

fritz nakh hwah jah then

[hollow hollow]

they really need to put that shit in the fucking shop ASAP. it's bullshit.

[hollow gust]

Essex is a scam retrofit

[wind hazel]

it's only 1 year sir. missing any ship is 2 years which is worse

[hollow hollow]

i missed the IJN UR banner

[wind hazel]

yes that's worse than missing essex retro item

fortunately she's also not crucial to anything

[hollow hollow]

i'm pretty sure my fleet isn't suffering for it

[hollow gust]

Retrofitting for Support fleet is

[wind hazel]

what? not retrofitting essex is stupid move

[hollow hollow]

literally free stats

[wind hazel]

essex is one of the best ship you can use for campaign

[hollow hollow]

indom also works right?

cause she has dec avi and 3x 140% double fighters?

[wind hazel]

yeah

you can use implacable instead of illustriousU

slightly better

lexii is good too but she's better used in surface fleet

[frank phoenix]

is there any blue ship that should be kept?

[wind hazel]

the ones with good tech, quite a lot of them

some aren't even blue, just common

[forest palm]

there's also the memento stuff

[frank phoenix]

a list in particular? i'm not gonna read the tech of 100+ ships

[viscid swift]

just filter by rarity in the tech calculator

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker

sort accordingly

[fluid fjord]

I know it’s so soon but do we know if any of the new units are actually any good? I saw the video saying the new ur is really good but what about the meta, sr, and elite?

[soft raft]

UR Pog
SR Pending testing but likely nothing too amazing
Elites are dogshit as always

[viscid swift]

I have 0 expectations of the elites

the SRs no clue, suchi's working on the math though

we're still trying to figure how the DD works though

[fluid fjord]

Gotcha, I assume the elite isn’t going to make a difference, but I’m newer so I’m not sure if there are ever any good ones on release. I did pull the new meta sr but I’m still hoping for the ur. I just need more gold

Is there any fast way to get gold? Or just like exp just have to grind the highest chapter level/event level (and commissions)

[soft raft]

Grind grind grind

[fluid fjord]

Figured

Thanks

[slow fox]

Is a careful inspection of Napoli eHP vs Moskva eHP required? I feel like there is much (2, perhaps even 3) debate around that.

[blissful hamlet]

how is moska gun compared to hinden gun?

[viscid swift]

probably not but just curious, if we assume Moskva's 15% damage reduction on a random enemy targets something inconsequential in campaign so it basically may as well not exist, what does her eHP work out to then

[wind hazel]

better

[slow fox]

I'll go ahead and assume the 15% (FP only, so actually like 5-7%) DmgRed affects 1/10 of the DPS onscreen for the next calculation./

[versed forum]

how good is Moskva's AA compared to Guam or Leeuw?

[slow fox]

I'll also answer this in a moment.

[slow fox]

💡

[sweet delta]

What if solo AA Alpha calculations became solo AA DPS calculations?

[slow fox]

@south vector

[sweet delta]

What happened since 155% to become 154%

[slow fox]

I implemented REAL FPDmgRed instead of handwave pretend

[sweet delta]

Who's nch

[slow fox]

Local Guide Creator for JP community

MebotAA was used as a benchmark for him to test nchDPS

[viscid swift]

still really good actually

[slow fox]

-# Pre-Brest eHP
-# ignored

[slow fox]

stupid

[wind hazel]

that's absurdly low

[sweet delta]

local

[slow fox]

Her eff is low compared to heavy flyswatters
Her AABoost is low compared to heavy flyswatters

[slow fox]

Mebot also local

[rapid shard]

I thought WdP had good AA?

[stark quiver]

she has good aa buffs

[slow fox]

-# What he said

[whole crypt]

Moskva's personal AA is like "average to above average CA" anyway

single mount 135% with high-ish AA stat

[slow fox]

Hmm who else at ~37%

Bremerton
Ingraham
Black Prince
Montpelier

[whole crypt]

JP has functional guide creators?

[whole crypt]

100% is still some sort of sandy?

[slow fox]

100% sandy retro preaug

[slow fox]

I guess it's more like hobbyist guide like Mebot

[woeful token]

Is my understanding of Gangut Meta correct?

She trades team support for higher backloaded damage than normal Gangut.

[whole crypt]

we're all hobbyists

[south vector]

someone wants AA DPS?

[slow fox]

Of Moskva

I have her AA Alpha entry completeed

[whole crypt]

[south vector]

ah yes, let me add her

I should recalculate with 76mm rainbow sometime

still calculated with 57mm rainbow

[slow fox]

In my experience it doesn't change the relative ranking too much

[south vector]

aye

[whole crypt]

actually wouldn't 76 gain less advantage than 57 because AA range

[wintry pelican]

is the end game tier list for Moskva actually believable if the consensus here seems like shes mid?

[south vector]

Harbin - Leipzig -Moskva (blue highlight) - Seattle (single AA) - Houston II

[slow fox]

@sweet delta

[slow fox]

Not sure if we calced AA range into considerations lol
-# I didn't

[south vector]

how do you incorporate range

[whole crypt]

guess there's no real good way to do it

[slow fox]

More range increases shooting uptime.

-# How it increases is a topic of hot debate because everyone tries to overcomplicate it

[whole crypt]

also I guess the only thing Moskva really has going for her is the above average AA stat

[slow fox]

And her eHP yes yes yes of couse yes yes yes

[whole crypt]

I mean AA wise

not considering her eHP DPS AA debuff slow useless s2

[south vector]

she would perform well if she had some kind of self AA buff

[slow fox]

-# I agree with that sentiment
-# Like 25%

[whole crypt]

true, single slot 135% is fairly run of the mill for ships that aren't AA shitters

could have thrown some token AA buff into s2 so it isn't completely useless but alas

[sweet delta]

What if I told you that pr9 will have a DR SN vanguard ship with 40% eHP and 4000 DPS

[south vector]

If Moskva were to receive Sandy's numba wan buff, she would be around Eldridge/San Juan level

[slow fox]

very sad

[whole crypt]

what about 400%ehp and 4 DPS

[slow fox]

Ring

[zenith heron]

C5 is the best Farming area Compared to C6 right due to the same rate of resources?

isn't it the same for C3 comparesd to C4

[jolly condor]

so i’m guessing i can just ignore my moskva for now

[viscid swift]

I mean

Moskva: One of the strongest overall vanguards in the game, she combines really high eHP with some of the best (top 3) overall vanguard damage in the game. She also buffs the fleet AA circle’s range by 5, which is very nifty for the fleet’s AA and the consistency of shooting down planes. Her biggest claim to fame, though, is that she now frees Nahkimov from being run with Soyuz (who is getting a bit long in the tooth) as she can slow enemies for Nahkimov’s root and crit damage buff. So why is she this low then? There are 2 main factors. Although her contribution to the fleet’s AA is quite substantial, her own AA capabilities are relatively poor. The other is that she only really has significant utility in a boss fleet when being run with Nahkimov, otherwise I’d only bring her I needed a really high eHP tank and for some reason couldn’t use Eldridge retrofit.

[jolly condor]

I’m currently researching nahkimov but idk how long it’ll be until she’s ready. I have Eldridge, so it’s between finishing York 2 or mlb her.

[viscid swift]

have you got lexington 2

[jolly condor]

Yea

[viscid swift]

have you got HVAR hellcats for them

[jolly condor]

I have 1

[viscid swift]

what about Bf-109Gs

[jolly condor]

The one from the core shop?

[viscid swift]

no, the AP rocket fighters from PR4, you can craft them in the gear lab too

[jolly condor]

Nah I don’t

This is every plane I have

[viscid swift]

meh, probably Moskva then

[jolly condor]

Unfortunate

[jolly condor]

i can’t find them in the gear lab

[viscid swift]

they're Iron Blood

[jolly condor]

how many do i need?

[sweet delta]

Craft when you need them. They're good for medium bosses and good after hvarcats for light bosses

For example there's one more day of medium armor arbiter Strength this month if you need a bit more for a threshold

[atomic vortex]

Bar from my goat Uni who should I put into the backline of my mob fleet

Just to level up others instead of keeping Esseggs and Emo Miku in

[sweet delta]

Leveling up some of the best ships in the game like Cowpens and Lexii would be a start

[atomic vortex]

They're already in the main fleet

[sweet delta]

You mean "other" fleet or "boss" fleet?

[atomic vortex]

Yeah call it whatever, I call it the main

[sweet delta]

Well put the ships who need XP on the mob fleet

[flat sun]

how do i get better gear?

i still only have all blues and a few purple

[sweet delta]

Main fleet literally means the backline, don't confuse it with boss fleet

[jolly condor]

Opsi fleet help

[sweet delta]

Open purple and higher tech boxes
And farm 10000 points in the event shop for buying a rainbow gun

[peak fable]

open boxes, farm events or craft it in gear lab, the last option being more for mid game players

[atomic badge]

Is this for certain worlds btw Lile world 16 or 15?

[flat sun]

whats the best way to farm event points?
mb still dumb about all this stuff

[atomic badge]

Although ngl it's very nifty that she's got 1 of each colored skill so I won't have to drain all the red skillbooks

[flat sun]

where do i get more boxes

also what should i use excess oil on

[peak fable]

dailies, events, playing the game, really just do anything

[peak fable]

farm chapter 12 or spam event

[flat sun]

the guide im reading mentions a mob fleet and a boss fleet also

does it matter what ships are in them
im just unsure overrall on how to make a good team

[sweet delta]

What chapter are you on?

And what guide

[peak fable]

just use any tier list and pick the best ships you have, making a good team is for when you have better gear, not like it really matters cause chapter 12 is easy and you will spend years there, so just pick whatever best ships you got, chapter 12 is clearable even with lvl90+ common ships, so yeah

[sweet delta]

Farm the event map, C2 > B3 > B1 whichever you can do

[viscid swift]

huh/

[peak fable]

@viscid swiftdid u actually spend 500 cubes for orz

[jolly condor]

can someone help me build fleets for opsi

[flat sun]

srry i meant "read"
i forgot which guide it was cuz it was like 2 days ago
chapter 7 rn

[soft raft]

I think he would have specified that if that was the case

[sweet delta]

Any good guide should tell you to not have a mob and boss fleet before chapter 9

[viscid swift]

not quite but pretty close

[soft raft]

God damn

[atomic badge]

Ic

[flat sun]

mmm maybe im just a bad reader

aight thx tho
luckily i didnt level any extra yet

[flat sun]

do u have any tier lists or recommendation for them
the ones i see are all outdated

[sweet delta]

No tier list for new players, just ask here with pictures of your dock

You can trust me ong not shilling my own tier list

[sweet delta]

Did you pull 2 moskvas? Save your cubes

[flat sun]

One 10 pull on the banner

Just insanely lucky
I only had 21 cubes too

[sweet delta]

@slow fox what's eHP of a 4 star moskva

You should try D1 of the event

With Indiana Unicorn Amagi Moskva Helena Z23 for now just be cause they're high level

Level up DeZeven and possibly Enterprise if she's in the medal shop today or in 2 days

[sweet delta]

@flat sun

[peak fable]

there is this guy called Sushiguma, he is pretty handsome irl and he might have some okay takes about Azur Lane.
Aside of him, I know a lot of people think the ECTL tier list is outdated and bad, but from my personal experience, I still think it's a good resource for early to mid game players, it helped me where other tier lists wouldn't, just take it with a grain of salt, as it is clearly not what you wanna use past reaching chapter 11 or so

[viscid swift]

what

[stark quiver]

i heard kimocheese has the best takes and beginner guides too frfr

[viscid swift]

the same tierliest that ahs Lion in the same tier as FDG and NJ

[stark quiver]

im surprised they have lion in the list

[peak fable]

thats why i said "clearly not what you wanna use past reaching chapter 11", at which point you probably dont even have a usable UR

[forest palm]

it has been an age almost

[viscid swift]

Odin in Casogne in the same tier as Augmented Monarch and Oumi

[sweet delta]

I thought you'd pick on the handsome part not the ectl part

[peak fable]

brother, who tf has odin or cascogne before chapter 11

[viscid swift]

whales among others

[peak fable]

why would anyone whale on odin or cascogne 💀

just whale on banner at that point xd

[viscid swift]

but anyway, that's besides the point

the tier list is so out of touch and so slow to update that

[peak fable]

and honestly no matter how much you shit on fdg and lion in same tier, they will defo get you to chapter 12, no matter which one you use

[viscid swift]

it's frankly a liability

like how many people have been baited into retroing Warspite or Sandy before they get to w12 because of them

[stark quiver]

i retro warspite for pvp

[sweet delta]

I put them at high tier too

[wind hazel]

alabama will too. does that mean alabama is same tier as fdg lion

[peak fable]

agreed! but i dont think its useless, the part I like about it is that 90% of the ships in the game arent just considered effectively useless.
As a new player you just really have very few options.

[zenith heron]

||In this Era ||

[flat sun]

i cant find enterprise
or did u mean get her and then level

[stark quiver]

back when she was good for one season

[peak fable]

hey im not justifying the tier list, I'm just saying the tier list will get the job done by the time you reach chapter 12, focus on function, not on accuracy

[viscid swift]

I mean 90% of the ships are effectively useless but

[sweet delta]

That's why I said "if" she's in the medal shop due to RNG

[peak fable]

yes, but what if you ONLY HAVE USELESS SHIPS

[zenith heron]

||Then came Undying Comps once more||

[peak fable]

"just use portland and penny"

[stark quiver]

but people will spend resources on a bad ship when theres a better one
you forgot those resources are hard to get for newbs

[viscid swift]

well that's patently false given the starter fleet exists

[wind hazel]

very dangerous way of using the tierlist because you're forgoing the sources needed to raise those ship, it will stunt your progression if you picked the wrong ship to invest into

[stark quiver]

whats wrong with portland
only a shit player cant go far with her

[viscid swift]

you've also got Nelson, Alabama, Maryland, Enty, Saratoga, Glowworm Retro, your event ships, etc

augmented no retro Sandy

and I name most of them in the fleet progression guide too

[sleek shale]

What is requirement to unlock ex stage

[viscid swift]

beat SP

[rain bobcat]

beat d3 then sp

[wise finch]

What's the best way to farm coins before chapter 7

[wind hazel]

currently, highest event you can do

[viscid swift]

cope

[sweet delta]

The best coins per oil would technically be the 10 hour commission

[stark quiver]

do i +13 2nd 100 kai or 2nd q152

[sweet delta]

Or 9 hour

[wind hazel]

hit the enter selkey

[rain bobcat]

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181540566866079797/1417586897412423680/8_NIKKECoin_Rush_chibi_animations_-_YouTube_Mozilla_Firefox_2025-09-16_20-57-321.gif

[stark quiver]

mods, take his life away

[peak fable]

Nah, it's just kinda useless to argue about it.
I get y'all points and I get why you dislike ECTL, and yes just doing the "one fleet beats all" solution you have prepped in the beginners guide will fix the issue.
But I personally did have a lot more fun seeing what I can cook with the ships I got and not just using the cookie cutter solution. The ECTL tier list did have a use to me, because it didnt consider the ships I got effectively useless, but tiered them, even if they are subpar options, it was just fun of slowly climbing myself out of the "useless" tiers and it did enhance my fun more than "okay only these 6 ships till chapter 9".
Yeah it is not as efficient, but from my experience, the resources werent that scarce for me either. I got to 12-4 in under a month, so I don't think it has majorly impaired me to use ECTL.

[viscid swift]

I mean, just use the end game tier list then.

You've got a much more accurate and much more comprehensive breakdown on the capabilities of each ship.

[stark quiver]

idk how you read it so fast

[rustic adder]

u can also just use any ship you want, any ship at lvl 120 with good purple or non terrible gold gear will easily beat w12

[forest palm]

the information ECTL provides is starting to not be helpful, also the tiering is clumsy, also also it hasn't been updated in like 5 months

[soft raft]

And it'll likely never be updated when there's only like 2 active evals and they're both busy

[sleek shale]

Ummm how strong is ganggut meta.

[viscid swift]

we don't know

[stark quiver]

one is a piece of shit and one hates the game
understandable

[viscid swift]

or at least I don't know, haven't bothered to look at her that much

[sleek shale]

I just got her from auto of event

[rustic adder]

is she purple or gold?

[stark quiver]

gold fam

[soft raft]

gold

[rustic adder]

then shes likely usable but weaker than any UR or good gold ship

[peak fable]

I did after chapter 12, but man I had barely any ships that were considered C tier or above (aside of Unicorn and Enty)
I know now how useless most ships are, but it was more fun to believe that my Graf Zeppy can do something of value, because my problem was never "beating Chapter 12", but choosing a better investment for my resources. Lets say you only have 2 useless ships to invest into, but one is actually less useless, but the endgame tier list still considers both D tier in everything. Alright, that's where I wanna know, which one is the less useless ship, that's all. If my goal is to reach Chapter 12 in under a month, I still gotta make use of whatever best thing I got.

[soft raft]

Nice you just saved yourself 8k event points lol

[rustic adder]

theres very few actually limited resources, Chips are maybe the closest thing since you can farm faster than you get them

[forest palm]

Portland and Eugen tiering are all the proof I need to call ECTL tiering a sham

[stark quiver]

their creators are a sham

[wind hazel]

gamgut is mid af, you can quote me

[viscid swift]

I mean at that point we don't bother making a distinction because the choice won't make a difference.

[stark quiver]

rice is fine actually, cia is just a dickwad

[viscid swift]

If anything you should just take that as the queue to use whoever you like more.

[sleek shale]

Gold

[peak fable]

yes at that point you would say "just max the best tech"

[sleek shale]

Gangut META

[rustic adder]

does the new UR beat any existing best ships?

[wind hazel]

yes it makes napoli obsolete

[viscid swift]

And anyway, a lot of those "beliefs" are built on lies franjly

[peak fable]

and that is the correct answer, but its hard to explain how I felt as a early game player with the endgame tier list. I just wish there were more tiers I guess.
Investing into an "all D tier" ship feels very bad mentally.

[sleek shale]

One more thing can we auto hard stage

[viscid swift]

she replaces SOyuz ad Nahkimov's partner

[stark quiver]

ex hard?

[rustic adder]

I autoed part 1, didnt realize there was a hard mode

[sleek shale]

Part 1 and 2

I have no idea how to unlock ex stage

[viscid swift]

like, what if I told you Eugen is not a worse ship than Portland

[stark quiver]

clear d3 and then sp

[sleek shale]

I cleared all to B3

[stark quiver]

/hardmode

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460648604974055424/1322138175426269215/image0.png

[wind hazel]

toggle B3 to D3

[soft raft]

B3 is NOT D3

[peak fable]

I just wish someone would also tier all the useless ships, even if they would have to go to "Tier L" for that

[strong tartan]

we have 800 ships in the game

[wind hazel]

tiering useless ship is useless

[peak fable]

like yeah Erebus is GOD AWFUL, I still wanna know how awful in comparison to others

[wind hazel]

it's like tiering monkey poo and cat poo. which poo is more poopish? in the end they are poop

[viscid swift]

does it really matter at that point

[peak fable]

as a very new player it might, but to us, obviously not

[rustic adder]

if u really care, pay someone or do it urself

[forest palm]

"a turd is a turd no matter how much you polish it "

[soft raft]

No it doesnt 💀

[viscid swift]

that's a lot and I do mean a lot of effort to put into something that makes no impact

[peak fable]

the answer will repeatedly be "just take the cookie cutter solution"

[soft raft]

Wayyyyyyyyyyy too much effort VS "Just dont use her bro"

[stark quiver]

yeah cuz its good and not shit

[wind hazel]

because you have to consider the accessibility of the ship, not just how good or awful they are

to a new player, they might not have saratoga readily available. but long island is always there, even though saratoga>long island

[rustic adder]

the gold pool avail to summon in light heavy special is also so diverse

[sleek shale]

Is there any special cat I should get from lounge?

[soft raft]

Lounge?

[sleek shale]

Cat lounge

[peak fable]

fair, I just enjoyed the part where I kinda had my own decision making.
Maybe this is a bit philosophical, but if I just do what others tell me to do, am I really still playing a game?
I think agency is a big part of what makes games fun.
It's kinda like when I saw sushi showcase Oumi, even if Oumi doesnt beat any of the top URs. It's useless, right? Gold ship cant beat Lion, but why did he bother doing that?
Well, because it's fun.
New players should also have an option to experiment around, without it being considered "why even use a tier list at that point". There is a middle ground, between "blatantly 4fun" and "tryhard min-max". You can still progress decently fast with subpar options.

[soft raft]

That's Cat Lodge not lounge
Also it's basically complete RNG on what cat you will get

the only guarenteed cats are the Tempesta ones from core data

[sleek shale]

And by the way how long does it take to oil recover?

[rustic adder]

those are pretty good

depends on ur canteen lvl

[stark quiver]

its not fun
oumi is a really good ship for a lot of players
even for those who have lion but not a full fleet of UR bbs

[wind hazel]

you're taking the oumi video very wrongly lmao

[viscid swift]

well people have different definitions of fun and what they find satifying but that's besides the point

also yeah, the whole point of Suchi's video was that she could get close to Lion's output

which considering Lion is the best ship in the game damage wise, is a very impressive feat

[wind hazel]

you have to consider that Oumi is SR ship, it requires only gold bulin. time gated, but new player can get them rapidly in short time due to event and campaign rewards.
UR ship needs UR bulin, which is extremely time gated. UR investment takes time, literally.

investing in Oumi is extremely beneficial to new player because it competes with bottom tier UR in damage, and new player can freely invest in her without worrying about the bulin time gate

[viscid swift]

also Imma be honest, early game is not the time to experiment in AL

[peak fable]

I know all that, she was literally my first 125 ship for all those reasons

[rustic adder]

i dont really know the dps charts, but i use lion since she has good barrage timing and a burn, you dont really need to optimize much in late game unless you are pushing chapters

[viscid swift]

there's a reason why I lay out a pretty rigid set up for w9-12 but then don't give sample comps for Operation Siren

[wind hazel]

yeah but that is contradictory to your argument of using what you like instead of meta

it would support your idea if oumi was warspite

[rustic adder]

suggested comps is usually about efficiency, but you dont need to play efficienty

like im farming 11-1 instead of 12-4 since its cheaper per sortie

[viscid swift]

which I maintain makes 0 sense

[rustic adder]

im literally affection farming now, i want max fights

[wind hazel]

you'll regret it if you're still playing the game 2 years later

[viscid swift]

eh, I see 0 point in rushing affinity

[rustic adder]

well i have nothing else to farm rn, thats not time gated like skills

[craggy pecan]

is the new ur any good?

[sleek shale]

Can yall answet me this plz?

[rustic adder]

depends on ur canteen lvl

[viscid swift]

you can find the canteen numbers on the wiki

[peak fable]

my entire argument was, there can be room to deviate from standard solutions without impairing your progress/efficiency majorly and that this can constitute fun for some people.
That's all really. I get the point of "well, do that after chapter 12", but that still requires a few weeks of playing, some people get bored if they just let a guide play for them and drop the game before they ever make it that far.
It's just about subjective things I guess.

[soft raft]

Yes
Biggest thing with her is that she replaces Soyuz to proc Nakhimov's freeze

[wind hazel]

🥀 less than i thought wtf

[spark patio]

i should buy all these?

[rustic adder]

gold plates yes, rest u can skip if u dont have enough

gold plates are the only ones u really run out of

[rain vine]

the repair kits are useless

[wind hazel]

ngl but people taht dont follow guide dont make it past chapter 4 really quick, and come asking for help here. i've seen too many

[spark patio]

i thought i had to buy the gold mats for gearlab? or i just need to buy the rainbow one

[rustic adder]

the rainbow ones are more important

buy anything rainbow, and the t4 plates

[spark patio]

Rainbow mats > gold plate > gold mats?

[rustic adder]

basically

[wind hazel]

buy everything except the repair kit. you have 1.3k unspent AP

[peak fable]

now that you say it, manjuu should really do something about the new player experience lol
I convinced one of my YT friends to make an AL review, so prepare for an influx of new players some time soon, but yeah, he has had A LOT of struggles with the game, I guess without my help, he would be cooked.

[viscid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRPJgxnXwC4r3Z8AlbzPUhHDXt0Dr7KP4TPriFnGafQrt1wE7Jb5AdRgfy8tXaLpTC-CtYAVMZgJE0g/pub

go down to shop priorities

[viscid swift]

oh boy, can't wait to roast it

[wind hazel]

💀 it's ok you can tell your yt friends to do social experiment. half use ECTL as guide, another with ecgc as guide, see the difference

[inner delta]

[peak fable]

enjoy, brother spent all his gold trying to pull Moskva and is now stuck at chapter 9 without a second fleet. He got 40 pulls in and is completely broke now XD

[spark patio]

i just confused abt the gold plates which gold plates is more important? "gear" one or "?" one

[peak fable]

It's honestly quite interesting how far AL deviates from "standard gacha rules"

[viscid swift]

when I say plates I mean the upgrade plates you use to enhance gear

[peak fable]

like multi-banner pity or resource management

[viscid swift]

I mean it is from 2017

[peak fable]

I like that, I don't think I have nostalgia glasses on when I say that games back then, were more about being games and less about being glorified money printers that exploit their target audiences

[sleek shale]

We have canten function? Wait a second is that the one has food to give for ship in dorm?

[peak fable]

even if AL is setting a lot of pitfalls on the way

[rain vine]

this canteen

[viscid swift]

no, it's the building that generates oil at a fixed rate

[rustic adder]

Oh i didnt know that C3 was compareable to C5 spamming for OS, has there been tests run to see which is better?

[clever gale]

does anyone else think they should allow a chance at gear skin boxes when beating B3/D3 in events?

[ivory pawn]

They're basically the same thing, treat 'em as equal.

[viscid swift]

C5 is quicker, C3 is potentially ore profitable but takes much onger is the gist

[sleek shale]

Whete is it?

[elfin hollow]

Do i pull

[rain vine]

do you have time to grind? c3
do you not have time? c5

[rustic adder]

hmm guess il start doing c3 then

c1 grinding seems like a meme

[elfin hollow]

Is moskva good

[rapid shard]

You grind C1 to farm AP to then farm C3/C5 at end of the month

[strong tartan]

yes but we're not sure how good

[rustic adder]

aka C1 is for if you have even more time than just farming c3

[sleek shale]

Hmm thx u

But how to see the levl of canteen?

[viscid swift]

Moskva: One of the strongest overall vanguards in the game, she combines really high eHP with some of the best (top 3) overall vanguard damage in the game. She also buffs the fleet AA circle’s range by 5, which is very nifty for the fleet’s AA and the consistency of shooting down planes. Her biggest claim to fame, though, is that she now frees Nahkimov from being run with Soyuz (who is getting a bit long in the tooth) as she can slow enemies for Nahkimov’s root and crit damage buff. So why is she this low then? There are 2 main factors. Although her contribution to the fleet’s AA is quite substantial, her own AA capabilities are relatively poor. The other is that she only really has significant utility in a boss fleet when being run with Nahkimov. I’d only bring her if I needed a really high eHP tank and for some reason couldn’t use the Eldridge retrofit.

[rapid shard]

Purpose of C1 farming is completely different than C3. C1 is to get farm up a ton of AP to then burn on C3 for gold crafting mats from cat nodes.

[viscid swift]

HQ -> Academey

[ivory pawn]

HQ > Academy.

[rustic adder]

i dont really need crafting mats, i just do cat tiles for the gold plate chance

[viscid swift]

Same thing

[rustic adder]

is scam cat shop spawn rate equal across all C#?

[ivory pawn]

No, that's why c3 and c5 were recommended.

[rustic adder]

then why is c1 ap positive?

[rain vine]

because its dirt cheap to enter and youll eventually get enough ap boxes from the shops

[wind hazel]

because it's cheap. 5oil entry for 5% encounter

[stark quiver]

wher does it say 5%?

[wind hazel]

community data

[rustic adder]

ok so odds are equal between C# then

[stark quiver]

who knows

[wind hazel]

no idea beyond c1

but it's evident that akashi spawn most in hidden areas, fo sho

[lyric echo]

Alright, please be patient with me because I'm an idiot, but did I soft lock the Inn management? Can't collect coins because full, can't upgrade anything

[ivory pawn]

Oh, I was thinking cat nodes, oops.

[rustic adder]

do the event maps more to get the required mat

[ivory pawn]

Run the event more, you're just missing the secondary currency.

[rustic adder]

1 small gold thing per 5 map clears, its very annoying

[lyric echo]

Gotcha, wasn't sure where I got it from

Ty ty!

[rustic adder]

i wish opsi gave affection, but makes sense it doesnt

[elfin hollow]

Is she still good im tryna dev 30

[spark patio]

but the thing req to enhance +13 is 100 token while the other one is 20. i mean that

[viscid swift]

Admiral Nahkimov: One of the highest damage ships against medium armor, she also has good damage against light and heavy armor enemies. She can also root enemies in place for 5 seconds if they’re first slowed by another Northern Parliament ship. Nahkimov’s main weakness, besides being difficult to gear up for new players (against light and medium armor enemies anyway), is that she’s pretty reliant on being sortied with another Nothern Parilment ship that can slow enemies down, not only for her root but also a pretty massive 50% increase in crit damage for herself. The difference between having and not activating this is to the point where I’d say if you have other top main fleet for medium armor (Lion, Fritz Rumey, Mecklenburg, etc), it’s not worth running her unless you have another Northern Parliament ship that can slow enemies, which soft locks her to being run with either Soyuz or Moskva.

[stark quiver]

did you chat gpt that

[viscid swift]

no, this is from the UR Guide I'm working on

[ivory pawn]

Yeah I know. Technically the ?s are probably slightly higher prio if you really had to choose because URs use 'em too and not the gold gear, but you do want both.

[wind hazel]

UR guide

[stark quiver]

released?

[viscid swift]

no

I got through most of the ships I would actually consider priorities though

[elfin hollow]

So 3 nother parliment in back if i want full power naki

[viscid swift]

still have a lot to go

[stark quiver]

did you send the doc in elp cheeky

[viscid swift]

that is literally not what I wrote

[elfin hollow]

So naki + sovetsky?

[spark patio]

ping me when ur guide is done

[viscid swift]

"it’s not worth running her unless you have another Northern Parliament ship that can slow enemies, which soft locks her to being run with either **Soyuz **or Moskva. "

[stark quiver]

elp really needs a nitro boost
no more tag

[viscid swift]

so yes, Nahki+ Soyuz or Moskva

[spark patio]

Is it better to run all of them in once

[viscid swift]

no, ideally you'd run Moskva over Soyuz

[elfin hollow]

Then who as 3 rd back up

[viscid swift]

what

[elfin hollow]

She ship on back js backup

[viscid swift]

Moskva is a vanguard

[elfin hollow]

No?

Oh seriusly?

[viscid swift]

yes....

[atomic badge]

Hmm I looked back at this and I'll probably still have to use her since I have a lack of super good CA and overall vanguard capability

She should still be an amazing vanguard by the looks of it nevertheless

[elfin hollow]

Can i make a good rainbow team or thats bad idea

[viscid swift]

you want to use good ships for the content you're tackling as always

[elfin hollow]

U think i know what ship for what content

Nooo

[viscid swift]

refer to this for how good ships are
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[atomic badge]

Speaking of nakhimov, what about the other ships?

[elfin hollow]

I think i gotta do chapter 14

[atomic badge]

Ah wrong reply, but how about bogatry and Krasny

[elfin hollow]

Did my hakuryu fall off she did didnt she

[rustic adder]

ok c1 farming seems kinda good lol, just takes a while

[viscid swift]

they're elites

it's almost like that's what we've been saying about C1 since the beggining

not that I'd really want to farm C1 the last day before reset

[atomic badge]

Any of interest nevertheless? I mean, Krasny has a chance to deal double damage last I recall

[viscid swift]

no

[whole crypt]

I don't want to farm c1 after the first 3 days of the month even

[viscid swift]

they're tech fodder at best

[elfin hollow]

The boss is cute is she playable

[viscid swift]

isn't that Moskva

[whole crypt]

no that's what's her name in skin

Moskva is green

[atomic badge]

Mkay

Is there an assessment btw of how the moskva gun performs?

[rapid shard]

Krazny with her new skin

[viscid swift]

better than the Hinenburg gun

[whole crypt]

better than hindenburg gun by a bit

[atomic badge]

Automatic grab for me then since I have no UR gun

[elfin hollow]

What do u need for chapter 14 clear anti air?

I forgot

[rapid shard]

ASW

[whole crypt]

3 and 4 needs asw otherwise just high damage pressure everywhere

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief

[whole crypt]

yes everywhere

[elfin hollow]

Whats asw

[atomic badge]

Anti submarine

[zenith heron]

Anti Sub Warfare

[atomic badge]

becomes more relevant on the very late worlds (14+) last I recall

[whole crypt]

14+, 13 has no subs

[elfin hollow]

Flex flex the fuxk that means

🙏

[viscid swift]

flexible

[atomic badge]

Ngl I was hoping Moskva might be another even more power creep since I have a crippling lack of ships despite my years of playing, but mm, this should be good

Also, C1 is apparently better to farm for efficiency? Or can I do D3?

[whole crypt]

d3 is time efficient

[viscid swift]

well B3 if you have ample amounts of time and and can do a low cost fleet

[atomic badge]

D3 it is then

[whole crypt]

just low cost D3

but B1-3 with daily bonus is fair game especially with lowcost

[atomic badge]

Since I'm here anyways, how good is Essex's retrofit?

I wasn't able to grab it but I'm prioritizing to get it when it reruns, and my plan for Essex is to pair her up with enterprise and Yorktown II

[viscid swift]

meh

[atomic badge]

Meh?

[viscid swift]

when she released she 2nd tho 3rd best at a lot of things and not the best at anything

honestley forgot about her after Lexington 2 dropped

[atomic badge]

Who are the overall meta carriers for most or all the given rankings anyways

[soft raft]

in what specific content?

[atomic badge]

World 14 beyond basically

[viscid swift]

might wanna give this a look

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[atomic badge]

If only I can see all the ships in my phone 😭

[viscid swift]

if you mean for the main campaign and not bosses

Unicorn, Aquila, Cowpens, Independence retro, Lexington 2 mainly

[slow fox]

MLB doesn't affect eHP for gacha UR, does it?

[viscid swift]

It does

They quite literally gain HP with limit breaks

[atomic badge]

Damn, Lexington II 😭 I should have joined back in last November

[elfin hollow]

Why musashi takes so much dmg

[light trail]

how good is the new gun

[wind hazel]

the best

[light trail]

oh nice. in all cases?

[wind hazel]

vs hinden gun

[elfin hollow]

Theire fucking trolling me in chapter 14

How using urs and im getting fucked

[viscid swift]

Because the fleet comp is questionable

[wind hazel]

you're using perseus, you're using single line

[viscid swift]

Also gonna wager your gear is shit

Also yeah single line

[elfin hollow]

Single line?

[viscid swift]

Not to mention your tankiest vanguard not tanking

Your fleets formation

Should be double line

[elfin hollow]

Y uthink ik whats that

[viscid swift]

I would hope you at least know some of the basics by the time you get to w14 but no matter

[elfin hollow]

Didnt hv these for a while loll

I js realise i can mlb somone lol

[hot turret]

I finally have my first research ship, but now I want to know which Iris ship is the best to research (yes ik Iris is not the best to research but like I already own other powerful ships I don't need more at the moment)

[elfin hollow]

What's the best investment with deco gem

[soft raft]

Because of this part of one of her yellow skills
Also Perseus sucks ass for keeping her alive when her output is gutted by her +90% longer reload

If you really want to keep Musashi alive in late campaign, you need UniKai + Aquila (heal mode)

[soft raft]

Brest > Champy == Saint Louis
But you ain't gonna do Brest for a while, and you may as well get the other two done since tech points & eventual XP grind for Brest

[onyx flame]

where flandre

[twin bronze]

where bayard

[crisp estuary]

Is there something wrong with the game for anyone else? It keeps requesting to do a 5.8mb update but it's stuck there at checking for updates

[hot turret]

Ight

[elfin hollow]

I hv aquika

Aquila

[elfin hollow]

Well my musashi 125 and mlb and married full buff

Shouldnt she slap good dmg?

[south sequoia]

The problem isnt dmg output its survivability

[elfin hollow]

Oh

[south sequoia]

Though

Dmg output may be questionable too

Make a thread and send ur ships gears

And if possible dock

[elfin hollow]

My urs those but

I dont hv crazy gearrrr

[south sequoia]

You have lexington ii I assume that means u got cowpens

[woven star]

Flandre from Vichia. So technically...

[elfin hollow]

Whats a cowpen

[tulip tinsel]

SR CVL

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Cowpens

[elfin hollow]

Idk if i hv

I dont have her or not sure

[tulip tinsel]

in dock sort with eagle union and cv

[elfin hollow]

Do we have a guide for gear or equipments?

[late flame]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564
🔹 Quick Gear Guide by elp
🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen
🔹 Augment modules guide

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[elfin hollow]

Thanks

[elfin hollow]

I got william lvl 1

Then i quit i think

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹CN tier list by Hashtag 5467

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[onyx flame]

unless your using the command to show to someone else in gph, please use command in #bot-spam

[elfin hollow]

Oh ok

[late flame]

heh i was about to type the same

its fine when bot commands are used in context of replying questions but yeah #bot-spam exists

[exotic sorrel]

Quick question but Unicorn Retrofit>Perseus?

[late flame]

yes

[rain vine]

yes

[exotic sorrel]

Oke thanks

[stoic horizon]

Does Willy D. prefer any gun/torp/aa gun? I'm guessing Aux is just general DD auxes (potentially hedgehog for ASW?)

[keen flower]

both of the gun good? plane bad right

[spark patio]

the gun is as good as eugen gun, the torp is for torp spammer i remember

[elfin hollow]

so the guide did said I should get to chapter 9 ASAP. Do I have to max 3 stars of each map or just ignore it and get to chapter 9?

[onyx flame]

you can 3 star later, but you have to do 3 star if you want to do said chp hard mode

[rain vine]

just get to chapter 9 and go back later unless you need the gems

[elfin hollow]

ok. Also what should I invest with gem?

[late flame]

you can do /gems in #bot-spam

[elfin hollow]

Thanks

[onyx flame]

iirc she uses the fast guns 76/113, torps you can either sync it with your backline if bossing or fast torps if mobbing

[mighty tulip]

New player with data packs, should I start analyzing them now and get blueprints?

[wind hazel]

analyze all your data packs to protocore and buy weapon blueprints

[hidden pasture]

[stoic horizon]

Aye gotcha
Fast torps would be like the Quad 533 Si270 or should she get an even faster torp?

(Also should she be getting like, Twin 76 Mk37 or the FP AA gun or something?)

[hidden pasture]

should i ignore hard mission to 100% on event or still do hardmode

[wind hazel]

what hard mission

event map mission share between normal and hard, there's no reason to do it on hard

[mighty tulip]

Thanks I only did the series 6 and 3 blueprints for now

[hidden pasture]

i mean hard stage mb, for retrofit ite,s

[wind hazel]

doing hardmode is daily things lol, you don't ignore it just because there's ongoing event

[wary hawk]

To be fair there's even an event specific mission to do non-event hard modes, so you're sort of encouraged to do them

[late flame]

-# i need to revisit 3-4 HM sometime to farm the foxes

[onyx flame]

might as well just 1:1 it

[elfin hollow]

What is research academy and do we have a guide for it

[late flame]

/research

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Research Guides

🔹Research Guide by samheart564
🔹Research Focus Guide by elp

[onyx flame]

there also this when it comes to pick research

[elfin hollow]

Thanks

[frank phoenix]

Is the ur gun from the event shop for Moskva or there's better lower rarity options ?

[pulsar juniper]

Ur exchange ship who to get?

[thorn tartan]

the pin says the datamine contains equipment and shop priority but I don't see it. Am i missing something?

[woven star]

Musashi usually the prio if u haven't her

[rain bobcat]

we're reccing la9 over tenrai because you should get tenrai for first 6 ordinance?

[heavy trout]

i'd like to know which equipment i can give these two to make them stronger since ik pretty much nothing about gears T_T

[onyx flame]

iirc this was the reason from faerlein
#gameplay-help message

[onyx flame]

for cv its a bit more complex as for bossing you want to sync them so you have to play around with the planes
https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[late flame]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/

you also change the planes based on what you are fighting

[heavy trout]

alright, thx y'all <3

[wind hazel]

because bossing hasn't seen tenrai used in months

and helldiver is usually serviceable as next best substitute

and the gap between helldiver and tenrai isn't as big as bf109g and la9

[elfin hollow]

Is there anyone I should replace with Long island?

[wind hazel]

it depends on who you have

[tulip tinsel]

saratoga is better if you have her iirc

[elfin hollow]

this is what I have atm

[wind hazel]

use saratoga

[elfin hollow]

oh. I totally miss out her. Thannks

[thorn tartan]

i'm burning thorugh my opsi points and i've noticed that my game didn't stop on the merchant the last 2 merchants even though I have it set to stop........... any ideas?

using strategic search, repeat secured, stop on merchant; Update: it shows a merchant map when I start strategic search, but then it looks like it loads another map

[exotic sorrel]

Who do I get after roon? (Monarch and Roon are what I have)

[exotic sorrel]

Wouldn't Hood also be a huge help for starters

[atomic abyss]

can you work towards fdg?

[thorn tartan]

what do you need?

[exotic sorrel]

I think I need a few more points. I actually am considering on going straight for fdg

[thorn tartan]

oh you need more IB points?

[exotic sorrel]

Cuz like she's such a good pr bb to have but I don't have enough points 😭😭

[atomic abyss]

yes, but in this case hood and penny compete for the same spot
and penny is already somewhat levelled

[thorn tartan]

can you work on another IB ship to get the points for fdg?

[exotic sorrel]

Omg wait I actually do have enough points for fdg

But now I'm scared for the million point requirement...

[thorn tartan]

just start grinding them out

[sick kettle]

how many meck guns are enough?

[rain bobcat]

3

[undone plover]

Scamcat is probably in the explorable version of the map u are farming

So it shows her when it cycles the map to reset it
But u have already bought from her

Check the map u are farming
Toggle it to explorable and enter
U will probably see akashi

I had this happen to me as well until I figured out what was happening

[elfin hollow]

I love free shit

[errant vector]

how many of those pr8 research bp weapons, the prototype quad 305mm skc39s, should one get? just 1, and switch back to pr7 for the la9 fighters? or go for 2? 3?

[undone plover]

3 for the rainbow is the goal

[errant vector]

ok

[hidden pasture]

Is she good

[atomic abyss]

no

[hidden pasture]

Great

10 medals

[atomic abyss]

keep

dont retire

[hidden pasture]

Why

Shipyard?

[atomic abyss]

you will likely end up using her when grinding exp requirement for shipyard or research ships yes

[hidden pasture]

Hmm alrighty

A 1h30m build is likely normal one right

💔

[barren token]

she has about 20% more eHP than Portland, and according to a test I did a while ago only 2/3rds the dps. which is the context of why she isn't that good

[atomic abyss]

sigh

[trim depot]

what’s the ranking for moskva rn is she good or rlly good

[atomic abyss]

we've known for many many years she is bulkier than portland
the issue is the cost of raising her

i.e gold bulin

which are short in supply for a new player

[atomic abyss]

allows soyuz to be removed from nakhimov teams

[hidden pasture]

Agreed

[trim depot]

is soyuz not that good?

[atomic abyss]

quite the contrary
she is
but she has alway been the one holding back the potential of a soy-nakhi comp

since CV dmg are largely in a different league

[elfin hollow]

So how good is she?

[atomic abyss]

not

at all

without her retrofit and augment

she is worthless

[elfin hollow]

So i gues she is heavy investment type

[late flame]

its also arguable that she's still meh even with augment and retrofit

[north gorge]

Heavy investment for not worth the result

[elfin hollow]

Alright. Guess she is in the dock for a long time then

[late flame]

with that said, she is still good for +2 HIT fleettech at lv 120

[frank phoenix]

Chat,is the event shop ur gun for Moskva ?

[inner delta]

i mean it's her owned gun, but you can use it for anyone else

it doesn't specifically need to be her using it

[frank phoenix]

So getting and maxing it for her is worth,sweet

[trail dagger]

Hi, does changing from LexII, AVP, Enty to LexII, YkII, Enty an improvement for single target? or just meh? i see that enty class is somewhat related to ykII skill

Hmm, i saw that lex2 have stop skill if paired with AA debuff, is it not that reliable than avp freeze?

[undone heath]

Moscow, as I understand it, is only resurrecting the NP ships?

[forest palm]

Oh, she doesn't resurrect Russian Ships, she prevents lethal damage for 8s

[undone heath]

Same thing

[forest palm]

that is not semantical...

[cold umbra]

using double drop ticket doesn't make attempt count double?

[forest palm]

for War Archive? no

[wind hazel]

what are you even answering

[wind hazel]

it's more reliable, it's similar to nakhimov's freeze

he was asking whether lexii's freeze is more reliable than avp's 💀

[late flame]

oh ok i might have got it wrong, my bad
-# back to lurking , dun mind

[trail dagger]

Ah okay okay, thank you mori and old fart

[hidden pasture]

Yay

After unicorn saratoga or helena

[undone heath]

So Moscow is useless then? There are very few strong NP ships for the entire fleet.

[hidden pasture]

👽

[forest palm]

[tulip tinsel]

why would she be useless just bcz her s2 is shit

[undone heath]

Soyuz, Nachimov and that's all

[undone heath]

All skills should work more or less

[hidden pasture]

Wow so after retrofit they turn into sr?

Interesting