gameplay-help

[strange flame]

iowa gun not worth?

[whole crypt]

I personally wouldn't really recommend it, not when there's no relevant light boss

if you have Lex II/YT II then the best comp only uses 1 HE gun anyway

[strange flame]

i am tending to see in chap 14+ and in opsi, there are a lot of AP weak bosses

[viscid swift]

Nah but when was the last time we had a rainbow CA that actually stuck around

[whole crypt]

which year was rupprecht again, 2023?

[strange flame]

i was told that wyverns are good at campaign, so does that mean they arent really worth using in boss fleets outside of being a statstick for wave clear cvs?

[whole crypt]

Unzen stuck for a bit for anti-heavy but such is the fate of vanguards

whether she becomes or stays relevant depends on what they put on her kit

[onyx flame]

release? jul 2022
FS is aug 2023

[whole crypt]

no matter I'm just counting the last time they added a relevant voice for me

[frank phoenix]

Finally have a proper ship

Btw,should I analyze these ?

[onyx flame]

always

[quaint tapir]

always analyze data packs unless you're feeling particularly dumb

[frank phoenix]

Any series or?

[onyx flame]

all

[quaint tapir]

you'll farm out the exp faster than you can realistically grind through the coin & timegates to get all of the PR/DR ships anyways

[onyx flame]

the prints tend to be the slowest part

[frank phoenix]

The fk u mean. I'm constantly coin starved

[hollow gust]

Retrofitting Essex is such a scam

[quaint tapir]

that's the point
you'll naturally get the exp without datapacks before you have enough coin to spare anyways so there's no real reason to speed the exp part up

[sick frost]

plus grinding the exp gives u coins

[quaint tapir]

protocore used to get high tier gear prints is a significantly better investment

[frank phoenix]

Nah, she's a lawnmower

[hollow gust]

[sick frost]

what other carriers do u have??

[whole crypt]

if you don't have better URs Essex is fine

[frank phoenix]

Musashi missing 2 bullins from mlb,Massena,Roon xD

And a mlb vanguard and uni retro for support

Other then that nothing major ,just random lvl 90-110 ships

[sick frost]

why mlb vanguard before musashi? did u get her first?

[frank phoenix]

Yeah,just got musashi recently

[sick frost]

ah ok

[frank phoenix]

Also Shinano from guidebook

But she's far from usable

[strange flame]

is essex retro not any good?

[sick frost]

if u retrofitted essex, do u have yorktown 2

[sick frost]

she's good if u have yorktown 2 and kearsarge to go with

[onyx flame]

she's fine as a campaign ship but she's got far from perfect for bossing

ur cv is still ur cv after all

[sick frost]

tis' true

[frank phoenix]

Umm,I don't think I have

Just started playing around that time so couldn't rly make any progress in events

[strange flame]

why kearsarge specifically

[sick frost]

hmm, get ur shinano up lowkey, she's still very strong

[sick frost]

read her skills, they heavily buff uss carriers

[onyx flame]

save your bulins there a new ur coming that and soyuz rerun

[strange flame]

i didnt know kearsarge counted as a carrier

[viscid swift]

she doesn't

[frank phoenix]

Leeching xp from 12-4 atm. But also gotta finish building independence retro

[sick frost]

she's an aviation battleship

[frank phoenix]

Who/why is Soyuz so important?

[sick frost]

thats a good retrofit, very usefull in opsi

[robust onyx]

Pairs with Nakimov

[sick frost]

she's a very strong battleship and buffs nakhimov

[frank phoenix]

So who tf is nakhimov?

[robust onyx]

Pr7 cv

[frank phoenix]

Sweet,I can't even do PR2 xD

Only exception

[sick frost]

lol

[frank phoenix]

Didn't even bother checking them tbh. 700+ fleet tech each xD

Im barely hitting 200-300 on some

[sick frost]

well, this event should help get the fleet tech

[frank phoenix]

This is my northern parliament fleet xD

[sick frost]

yikes, ur lucky for this event

[frank phoenix]

U mean current one? Already finished it

[onyx flame]

UR bbs are much better in comparison to their Sr counterparts, while for carriers they are very good and available sr.

[frank phoenix]

Just 40k points,other then that got everything

[sick frost]

nah the one coming soon

[robust onyx]

Next 1

Northern Parliament event

[frank phoenix]

Yeah,but would it be wise to pull on new ur with Soyuz coming up ?

I've got 200 cubes atm

[robust onyx]

No clue on the new CA's skills yet

[sick frost]

just gotta see her kit, though it's a heavy cruiser, im not expecting too much

[onyx flame]

you have to wait and see how good the new ur is, but you can prob afford to just do a daily/3 pull on the event banner through the event

[frank phoenix]

Looks like a bulky ship

[onyx flame]

soyuz rerun has tickets to help with gacha anyway

[sick frost]

@frank phoenix do you have the 200 Sardegna Empire fleet tech for nakhimov?

or are u missing both

[frank phoenix]

Bold of u to assume I have more then 3 ships in non-mainstream fleets

[sick frost]

LMAO

[onyx flame]

it doesnt matter even if they have the faction tech to research nakh.
she's gonna be useless at dev 0

[frank phoenix]

I've got the iris ones cuz I started during their event

[sick frost]

true, just curious tho

[robust onyx]

Would be Italian characters

[sick frost]

bayard is a good vanguard dps, so good choice

[frank phoenix]

Yeah,I have Vittorio and like 2 rares iirc xD

[sick frost]

ouch

[frank phoenix]

Sangrada: jean bert

[sick frost]

im praying for u to pull aquila from perm pool, she good healer

[robust onyx]

Jean Bart is Vichi

[hollow gust]

You should be working towards PR8

[frank phoenix]

Then that fleet,my bad

I should be working towards anything better then "usable" xD

Got Helena retro so that's something I guess

A San Diego would be nice or an Eldridge

[sick frost]

idk if bro got the gear for those ships

[hollow gust]

[frank phoenix]

I just crafted my first flapjack yesterday and left me dry

Next I should probably gather towards those AA guns

[onyx flame]

first thing you should be making is a wyvern

[frank phoenix]

That's ur gear territory,other league xD

I think I have it's gold predecessor so that's something I guess

[sick frost]

what corrosion level can u play up too, cuz if you can do all of them, it should only take 2 or 3 months to get 1

[quaint tapir]

you can kinda just get those passively with UR AA prints while focusing your selectors on other stuff tbh
you aren't gonna run into a situation where it'll make a difference until maybe w15 so long as you have AA carries with proper gear

[frank phoenix]

Mostly anything other then hard arbi if I throw some resources at it

Corrosion 5 is annoying,rest is ez

And strongholds are a headache for now

[sick frost]

def grind out 1 or 2 wyverns, they will certainly help in later campaign chapters

[frank phoenix]

I'm just finishing up 12-4 and imma probably just grind some xp there

The only solid Frontline I have atm is a roon at lvl 124,San Francisco at 103 and Helena retro at 99

[gray sphinx]

we know when the next UR event is gonna occur? like estimate

[quaint tapir]

next week

[frank phoenix]

Next week

[hoary relic]

end of feb

[gray sphinx]

like early next week? ong?

[quaint tapir]

thursday going by usual patch dates

[gray sphinx]

rip well what's 7 more days

[sick frost]

what fleet u using, just curious to know what ur workin with

[hoary relic]

didnt watch the stream, so we only has moskva as our new UR?

[frank phoenix]

Gimme a sec,imma log in

[viscid swift]

yes, also takes 5-10 minutes to skim through and get all the info

[hoary relic]

thanks god, i barely have any bulins rn lmao

[quaint tapir]

https://old.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/1r9uuda/jp_winter_2026_livestream_summary/
subreddit also does a summary which is pretty easy to skim in like... 2 minutes

[hollow gust]

Normal AAs are not worth crafting

[frank phoenix]

Got these and like 3 more pages of random lvl 1 rares xD

And some meta

[hoary relic]

u dont have anchorage?

[frank phoenix]

The fk is that

[hoary relic]

anchorage, pr4 CA, btw dont use swearing, no reasons to use it🤡

[robust onyx]

Eagle Union pr4 CA

[sick frost]

his tanks arent thaat bad... but yeah you def gonna need to get soyuz, and u gonna need to mlb shinano

[frank phoenix]

I said above that I can't even do PR2 ships yet

[eternal basalt]

You should have decent tech no?

[frank phoenix]

Will do when I get enough ur bullins. Wanna finish up Shinano and probably the next UR I get too

[hoary relic]

wdym cant do? just need to have enough tech point to unlock the research progress

[frank phoenix]

Yeah,I'm mostly 200-300 on every major fleet

[hoary relic]

soyuz gonna rerun soon? her release date is feb 29th 2024

[sick frost]

yesss

[eternal basalt]

They announced her rerun in stream

[hoary relic]

oh nice, didnt watch the stream so i have no idea abt that

[eternal basalt]

Which means it will be before CN anni, probably after this new UR though

[frank phoenix]

So wise thing would be to just do free pulls and daily X1 on new UR and get Soyuz instead ?

Unless she's giga strong

[brave canyon]

We don’t know the new UR stats do we?

Also do retrofits increase in oil cost due to the retro?

[brave canyon]

Save cubes now like mad

[hoary relic]

so how long the gap would be between moskva banner and soyuz rerun banner?

[robust onyx]

1 week most likely

[frank phoenix]

Nothing other then Roon there could be classified as a proper tank. Helena and san Francisco are decent buffers with San Francisco being either a DMG buffer or a minor healer

[hoary relic]

sounds not good for me

[ivory pawn]

Depends how many cubes you have. Remember Soyuz rerun will come with ~40 tickets (80 cubes worth).

[frank phoenix]

Prolly gonna 120 le Hardi and switch her out for Bayard

[eternal basalt]

44 tickets yeah

[sick frost]

san fran is not bad of a tank, but hopefully and ideally you get the new CA and Soyuz, you gonna need the CA as a tank, and soyuz to finish up ur backline

[hoary relic]

a week gap between moskva banner and soyuz rerun banner eh, no idea will 457 cubes enough

[frank phoenix]

I have 200

[sick frost]

thats more than enough, pity is 200

[frank phoenix]

200 cubes ?

Wasn't it 400

[sick frost]

200 builds

[frank phoenix]

So 400 cubes

[sick frost]

yuih

[hoary relic]

Ye but the gap between 2 banner is so short

[frank phoenix]

U gave me false hope for a moment xD

[hoary relic]

Afraid that 457 cubes would not be enough for both cuz i havent got soyuz

[sick frost]

well u better get those 44 tickets if u want the best chance

[eternal basalt]

You can still do the cubeevent with commissions

[sick frost]

that too

[frank phoenix]

Yeah,still getting them

[hoary relic]

Seems like i gotta pray i wont need to hit pity for moskva

[frank phoenix]

What's the condition on those 44 tickets ?

[ivory pawn]

Play the event.

[eternal basalt]

do the event

[frank phoenix]

Ungodly ammont of oil or just doing it ?

[quaint tapir]

the rerun tickets are pretty generous and you really don't have to work too hard for them

[eternal basalt]

You can check the old events on wiki

[hoary relic]

Anyways so CV comps are better than BB comps for med till now?

[ivory pawn]

Most are on point ladder up to around 10k points.
10 more in shop for less than that.
1/day for playing event.
+6 or so from 3-day login bonus.

[trim depot]

whens the new ur coming out?

[quaint tapir]

7 days

[hoary relic]

Next week

[ivory pawn]

Oh, and 1 per stage too iirc.

[frank phoenix]

I should properly save some oil too slowly,right ?

[brave canyon]

Not really needed

[frank phoenix]

And coins

[ivory pawn]

Eh don’t stress it. Should have more than enough oil even at lower levels.

[hoary relic]

Nope, not at all

[sick frost]

meh, depends on ur ships, med armor can be killed by both, but cvs are much better than most bbs on heavy

[quaint tapir]

unless you're grinding gear prints like a crazy motherfucker you can get by on whatever oil you get from commissions, passive regen, & the weekly pack

[ivory pawn]

Coins sure, long as it doesn’t slow campaign progression.

[quaint tapir]

and the only events worth grinding gear prints on was the yk2 & lex2 ones because of the hvar

[frank phoenix]

I'm just sitting in 12-4

[ivory pawn]

Oh, then save all the coins sure.

[hoary relic]

12-4 is for xp and coins farm

[sick frost]

def save coins lol

[hoary relic]

Not at all i suppose, doing d3 still gives u coins

[sick frost]

i may be screwed for this event cannot lie

[frank phoenix]

Gotta do this awakening 1st xD

[hoary relic]

I still have like 100k oil in my mail lol

[frank phoenix]

Technically u have more coins then me. I may have 10k but it's actually -20k or so

[sick frost]

turn that into coins gng

[eternal basalt]

Nearing 600k

[frank phoenix]

0

[sick frost]

u might have me beat

[frank phoenix]

200 cuz returner event xD

Gave like 150

[sick frost]

my wallet will suffer cuz i aint got that luxury

[hoary relic]

Do we have any news abt next meta ?

Cuz yk meta gonna ends soon

[eternal basalt]

Which of the 2?

[frank phoenix]

Ppl use meta ships?

[hoary relic]

No, for tech only

[frank phoenix]

Reasonable

Gotta get my Yorktown and Helena meta

[eternal basalt]

Gagnut (event) and another the 13th

Dragonlady

[hoary relic]

But suppose manjuu adds an ur meta, i guess we would use her

[hollow gust]

Kirovmeta literally has one of the best buffs in the game

[eternal basalt]

Enty META UR next EN cekllebration

[sweet delta]

What's the new UR gun?

[hoary relic]

When will they add pr8 prints in medal shop, next month?

[robust onyx]

CA gun

[hoary relic]

Moskva is a CA so i guess that would be a CA gun

[sweet delta]

What caliber?

[sick frost]

i tried looking it up, but now im more confused because moskva was a large guided missile cruiser....

[hoary relic]

220mm

A bit larger than the standard caliber of 8in or 203mm

[sweet delta]

[hoary relic]

I looked at moskva's AA defense armaments, seems like her AA is kinda @ss

[onyx flame]

its a paper ship they can just make stuff up fr

[hoary relic]

Indeed but we cant expect a CA to have AA like CL lmao

Still waiting for des nutt (moines)

[trim depot]

when will we get more info about the new ur skills

[nocturne glade]

Does oneshotting harbiter usually requires additional stats from fleet tech? Having a tough time even after levelling to 120. Might be a gear selection issue

[hoary relic]

Strength is harder to 1 shot than other arb so eh

And yes we do need stats from lv120 ships to oneshot harbs

[nocturne glade]

I see, ty!

[onyx flame]

typically on the day of maint

[trim depot]

oh ic

[hollow gust]

Oneshotting means you have above average gear and URs

This months strength isn't that hard if you have good comp

[nocturne glade]

I see, I guess ill look to clear with 3-4 teams or smth

[light trail]

did we get a date for new UR

[robust onyx]

26 February

[tulip tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1474356735794872401/1474379575403479180/image.png?ex=6999a27b&is=699850fb&hm=86048c8505cc2e409e5c3072547ded6d7e23c69a33f66ea42fd828897726dff1&
who are these i don't understand jp

[undone plover]

should be chitose/chiyoda and the last one could be one of the TB/sirens from the raising simulator i think

[tulip tinsel]

i see. that's why i couldn't recognize them because they made their ear a lot bigger lol

[whole crypt]

yes it's chitochiyo

[hollow gust]

Chitose is the hotter one

[whole crypt]

last one is scavenger, I think explorer in EN?

they're both hot because voiced by hitomin

[tulip tinsel]

i see floof i like floof. both are hot.

[hollow gust]

Both are hot but obviously Chitose has the better design

[whole crypt]

I just know this is the best event since Windborne Steel Wings for me

[tulip tinsel]

sirens have skins?

[hollow gust]

It's your daughter from the minigame in a lingerie

[tulip tinsel]

aah ic ic

[eternal basalt]

Chiyoda

[eternal basalt]

TB gets skin too, the other one already had

[slow charm]

Fuck, this bitch is expensive

[forest palm]

is that Warspite...

[slow charm]

Sandy. Sorry I cut it off in the screenshot

It's my 11th day of playing. I think I'm making decent progress. My current goal is to retrofit Sandy and get her unique aug. After that, I'm gonna start retrofitting Yuudachi to replace Z23.
After all that, I'ma have to see where I'm at cus I think it'll take a couple of days

I'm a bit worried abt using the specialized cores to retrofit Yuudachi and Sandy instead of getting UR bulins, but i think its worth. If you disagree, let me know tho

[viscid swift]

well retroing Sandy before getting to W12 was your first mistake

[forest palm]

do not invest in Mary Celest, or any subs for that matter for now, do not use musashi until you can max her out

[viscid swift]

Yuudachi ain't worth the time it took to farm her, let alone the materials to retro her

[slow charm]

I'm not using either. Mushashi can use a support even if she's not in battle which is why I have her in fleet 2 and I just happened to get 2 copies of Mary Celeste

[slow charm]

I didn't farm for her. I got really lucky when getting the retrofit materials for unicorn And she's ranked highly on the tierlist?

[viscid swift]

what tier list for one

[slow charm]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/dd

[viscid swift]

2, you gotta consider cost of investment and oppurtunity cost especially at this early stage when you do not have a lot of resources to spend

[sweet delta]

I think Nelson would have been better to retro earlier

[tulip tinsel]

that tier list haven't been updated in ages

like 2025 september or smth

[slow charm]

yeah, but i figure its better than nothing lol

[viscid swift]

the UR priority guide is still WIP but I'll give you a sneak peak and tell you I've got Yuudachi in the not worth it/avoid category

[slow charm]

Her retrofit looks pretty cheap by comparison to Sandys. What would be a better investment of resources?

[sweet delta]

Not a good sign when you have shit like kawakaze in the same tier as gods like Eldridge

[viscid swift]

for retrofit prints, as suchi said Nelson and Saratoga

[sweet delta]

Nelson. If you mean DDs specifically, then Tai Yuan or whatever Chinese DD you have the retro item for

There was no free handout this year

[sweet delta]

Because that tier list tiers for chapters 12 and 13, which are easy enough that it doesn't really matter what you use there

[slow charm]

Makes sense. I wanna get both of them retrofit eventually, but I was prioritizing the one's high on the tier-list cus its fairly easy to get the first couple of blueprints (3 starring a hard levels gets 2 gold prints)... but after that it'll become a slower grind

[sweet delta]

As a new player, you can ask here for what ships to invest in (as you're doing right now )

If you really want to see who's good without considering investment cost, then there's

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹CN tier list by Hashtag 5467

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[viscid swift]

do I need to mention that the DDGs need 1600 core data worth of equipment that only they can use

[slow charm]

I saw that lol. I spent 800 on one of the equipment options since I had a mission to spend core data anyway

[sweet delta]

Missile was free last week, and seal is not required

Well that was a terrible idea when you weren't even getting a DDG

Just rush modernization, skip the bottom row

That needs 8 more gold cruiser bps

Nelson needs 10 gold BB bps, you could 3 star some but I'd finish the top 2 rows of San Diego first

[slow charm]

I am. Still out of gold tho 🫡 .. I should have it in 1-3 days. I can get the golds I need as long as I can complete 7-2 hard. Which the jury is still out on.

[slow charm]

I counted 6? If its 8, I might be cooked

[sweet delta]

The AA needs 2 and the Firepower needs 6

[slow charm]

AA is purple thankfully

[slow charm]

That makes sense. After sandy, I'll do Nelson and just won't touch Yuudachi if she isnt recommended. Did I get that right?

tysm!

[sweet delta]

And please don't waste your core data

[slow charm]

This is what I was referencing buying. It was marked as a priority buy on one of the guides I read. (ignore the fact its on mushashi. I will switch it to nelson, I just forgot. Don't flame me)

Was it rlly a waste?

[sweet delta]

That's the best, I thought you meant that you bought a DDG equipment

[slow charm]

oh thanks. I was worried for a sec. I'm kinda min-maxing cus I wanna make progress, but I think at the end of the day, ima jsut have to play for a couple years cus this game is time gated hard

[sweet delta]

Yeah just ask more instead of committing to expensive stuff like UR retrofits

[slow charm]

Lol. You're right. Still, I prolly would have stubbornly retrofitted sandy anyway. It seems everything recommends her.

Glad I didnt commit to Yuudachi tho

[sweet delta]

There's priority to consider even if San Diego is very meta in chapter 13 and 15

[slow charm]

What does zTENTATIVE mean in this excel u linked?

[sweet delta]

It means the ship is somewhat new and the author (sushigummy) reserves the right to make larger changes based on new testing or calculations

It rarely happens though, since initial calculations are often accurate already

[slow charm]

You amde this? damn, this is really impressive

thank you

[sweet delta]

I think it could be more impressive

[slow charm]

Not by much lol. This is an insane show od dedication 🫡 ; how long have u been playing for?

[sweet delta]

I'm a pretty new player, less than 7 years

[slow charm]

lol. I'll get there one day

[frank phoenix]

so technically i should equip triple 155 aux on everybody that doen't care about faction aux and same for AA guns with STAAG?

i have like 5 tripe 155 from tech boxes

[ivory pawn]

Pretty much yeah.

[versed notch]

chat who should i ur exchange for

[frank phoenix]

helena/yorktown meta worth building?

helena meta's skills look decent

idk about stats

[ivory pawn]

Yorktown META is +1 CV RLD, definitely worth bringing to 120 at some point.

[sweet delta]

Yorktown meta is a typical new gold CV, Helena meta is not really worth for new players

Jintsuu meta is the strongest meta showdown ship, used in pvp and ex

The problem is that these ships take a month to max after you reach level 60. So any average or above average ships are just not worth putting in a fleet

[frank phoenix]

got plenty of ships like that

so now that i've got both current metas,how can i get older ones?

only the meta shop?

[sweet delta]

Showdown Dossier and meta shop

[white agate]

i guess moscov is gonna be not a really useful ur?

like unless they cook up some weird abilities only thing she got is hp sponge

[sweet delta]

How do you know

[white agate]

well, she is a CA

aren't all UR CA basically niche lately?

[ivory pawn]

All she needs is a skill that says "your backline does 30% more damage" and she's instantly top tier. Probably.

Ofc she's not going to have such a skill, but it's skills that are the most important, not hull.

[turbid marsh]

simply having the strongest crossfleet will make her used a lot, on the sideline

[white agate]

guess that could be a nice addition

[sweet delta]

That's what they said about BBVs before pr6

[white agate]

but,but; BBVs are backliners

[rapid shard]

Who knows she may have cracked DPS levels 🤷‍♂️

[brave canyon]

never doubt the power creep 🙏

[turbid marsh]

power creep eh? gonna kick one of z52 traf porter

[ornate scarab]

I come to ask a question about z52 and the first thing I see is people talking about z52 lol. Is z52 equivalent to laffy2 in terms of usage?

[turbid marsh]

they do have similarities but i would say they are still serving different roles

[ornate scarab]

What’s z52 best at? I see AA in her skills and damage reduction and healing

Just DD tank?

[turbid marsh]

best at being the all rounder she is.laffey2 would be leaning towards ddtank

[sweet delta]

Z52 does everything

[ornate scarab]

Interesting

[turbid marsh]

probably the only thing she doesn't do is summoning familiars

[ornate scarab]

I assume good loadout is faster gun over stronger gun and the rest just max out gear

[turbid marsh]

ye

[ornate scarab]

Is there a quick way to find the fastest gun because I don’t know which one that is

[turbid marsh]

when in doubt, 76mm blue

[rapid shard]

Blue 76 or gold single 113

[ornate scarab]

I’ve got pretty much everything

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/#vanguard-weapons-dd-guns

[turbid marsh]

yeah gold single 113 would be the best

[ornate scarab]

Cool I’ll use that thanks

If I played opsi more I’d get more

[rapid shard]

That depends on your reload. Theres a page breaking it down in link above

[ornate scarab]

But man I just hate the grind

[turbid marsh]

thats inevitable

[ornate scarab]

I’ve done it enough for like 4 rainbow gear but I’m burned out now

Honestly I kind of hope they develop AL-2 at some point just so I can get a change in gameplay lol

[eternal basalt]

Azur Promilia has a change of gameplay... it may likely flop, but hey

[sweet delta]

They've already bet everything on promilia, Azur Lane 2 or even a PC client ain't happening

[ornate scarab]

A man can dream

[simple nacelle]

Ohhh my next UR exhange will be Implacable, i already have MLB the others ones (Shinano, Yorktown 2 Musashi)

[sullen birch]

@sweet delta hi man
I stopped playing the game for long time and I'm thinking to come back
I think I missed alot, I think my last shop was lion or something like that

[slow fox]

yeah lol
-# my prelims are messy because I can't read half the stats or skills

[ocean terrace]

dw I'm not blaming you

[slow fox]

-# I blame me

[slim hinge]

How do I remove the exclamation in Memories? I've had it since the start of Valentine's Day event. I've completed it and read all their messages but it won't go away.

[ivory pawn]

Try HQ > Medals > whatever the third tab is called, and see if you can claim rewards on the bottom right.

[slim hinge]

It didn't work. I already claimed all the rewards I could get before.

[paper nebula]

is there an updated Meowficer guide somewhere?

[ivory pawn]

My second guess is to make sure you read all of Hinden's messages.

[ivory pawn]

Hasn't really been a need to, there hasn't been much in way of Meowficcer updates.

Just use Drake + Every where it matters unless you get a perfect cat or a high RLD CV cat.

[slim hinge]

It worked. Thanks a lot.

I had to scroll to the other letter.

[paper nebula]

i found a guide from a reddit post 2y ago this is still good?

[ivory pawn]

Yeah the arrow's kinda easy to miss if you don't know you're looking for it.

Idk what guide you're referring to, the one I know of is https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/CatGuide.

[paper nebula]

oh yes this is the one

thanks btw

[hollow gust]

its slightly outdated

while they may not be perfect cats, the tempesta cats are extremly strong with minimum effort

[ivory pawn]

Like I said earlier, use Drake + Every basically everywhere if you have Every. Drake's in the core data shop and worth picking up, though some other stuff is higher prio.

[paper nebula]

aight thanks a bunch guys i havent been paying attention to my cats skills and talents ahahaha

[noble tulip]

Game says I’m missing 3 ships but throughout meta/retro/normal I only see 1 ship I’m missing ?

[ivory sigil]

Bilibili?

[viscid swift]

remember retros don't show up even if you filter by unobtained

I'd bet you haven't retroed Chao Ho and Ying Swei yet

[noble tulip]

ah yeah its yin and chao

took a long break so haven't caught up with the game

[stark quiver]

bilibili is chinese server only

[soft raft]

there's also like two collabs that are CN only

[late flame]

ngl i forget cats exist

[random rain]

what does "needs AA debuff" mean? I saw it written on Lex II (Combo)'s notes in the endgame tier list

[rapid shard]

For Lex2 York2 Kear, is 4 enough hvars or does kear really need that 5th one?

[stark quiver]

do you care about losing out on damage?

[rapid shard]

How much dmg is gonna be lost?

[stark quiver]

good question

[late flame]

I just slap on bfg and call it a day.. farming hvar is eww

[rapid shard]

i know Lex York does the majority of dmg but wasnt sure how much just the plane does for kear. ive got a +13 mk7 for her already

[wind hazel]

there's skill aa debuff like from laffey2

or trafalgar

[soft raft]

Oh right Laffey 2 lol

[stark quiver]

28% ish plane dmg difference on kear
does it matter for you? idk

[soft raft]

I was thinking WDP and wondering if the ACC debuff affects AA (which it probably doesnt) lmao

[random rain]

ahh I see, so I just need to place a USS on the mob fleet for it to proc?

[wind hazel]

no, it needs to AA debuff on enemy

a random EU ship may or may not have the debuff

[soft raft]

Laffey would also need tp be in the same fleet as lex2

[rapid shard]

I am trying to get a one shot light fleet put together lol i need the super math people to jump in on how much the plane contributes to kears overall dmg since its only 4 fighters from her

[stark quiver]

alright lemme test

later 💀

[stark quiver]

what are you trying to one shot

[wind hazel]

use lion, 4 hvar enough 👍🏼

[stark quiver]

idt they have lion bro

[rapid shard]

Some of the light armor dossiers. Working on Kirov atm and will finally have ply dev30

[rapid shard]

if i had lion i would just shut brain off and nuke with her

[stark quiver]

youre gonna want a 5th hvar for the comp
because you probably dont have good tech, and +13s

[wind hazel]

just 2 shot it, dont bother farming for 5th

[stark quiver]

why
its literally 4 runs a day

[rapid shard]

Ive gotten my tech up decently. and plenty of plane plates to +13 all the hvars

[wind hazel]

farm the 5th and still missing +13 and tech is the ultimate cuck move

[rapid shard]

How much CV rld tech i needed for the 3 to sync correctly?

[rain bobcat]

[stark quiver]

how?
what does +13 have to do with farming

[rain bobcat]

what 3

[rapid shard]

York Lex Kear

[wind hazel]

why are you telling him to farm the 5th when he is missing tech and +13 gears? what's the 5th hvar gonna do to him

[rain bobcat]

max bb rld and 35+ CV

assuming 4strike

[agile patrol]

how do i make this avp thing sync :(((
i tried my best

[rain bobcat]

use mrlar

[stark quiver]

more damage?
its pretty obvious

[wind hazel]

more damage from 2shot to 2shot?

[rapid shard]

well im cucked on BB rld while i wait for nevedaM to be added to shop atm and around 26ish RLD for CVs

[wind hazel]

use some common sense

[rapid shard]

I can easily +13 all the gear for it.

[stark quiver]

the common sense is not waiting around with his dick in his hand while the wa keys overflow
because sooner in the future theyd wanna get a 5th, so why not start building up now?

[wind hazel]

becuase by the time he'd have that 5th the meta might already shift towards something new already

[rain bobcat]

17 is fine but need autoloader

[rapid shard]

im already farming the archive right now. im 3 off 4th right now hence why im debating on the 5th

[stark quiver]

emphasis on might
what if it doesnt? why are you so adamant in telling them to not do jack shit to boost their account strength

[wind hazel]

because he's very far from ready for that 5th

[rain bobcat]

I say it's not light boss so no need

just shove in a BF or la9

[wind hazel]

for real, 4 hvar+1bfg or la9 is good enough

[rain bobcat]

isnt la9 2nd best light anyway

wont matter for lex

[wind hazel]

it is

and i can tell you from someone that have 5 hvar +13, they have been rotting in my inventory since i got them. here's to hope that regenmeta finally see that 5th usage

[rain bobcat]

same

matter of fact I havent used kear in 2yrs

[late flame]

I have*not +13 beyond 2 hvars lol

[wind hazel]

and ngl mathematically, farming 5th hvar use more oil than just using oil on 2nd meta attempt on dossier

[sweet delta]

what if the 5th hvar could save oil on all light armor dossiers in the next 3 years

[rain bobcat]

I doubt the lion solution wouldn't work

[wind hazel]

only happens in your dream

[rapid shard]

Lion wont be a option till her rerun for me '

[rain bobcat]

dw we'll have more broken shit by then

[wind hazel]

ye we gonna get tiger, panther, jaguar, and all the shit

[late flame]

this being a gacha there's no way we wouldn't get more broken shit by the time lion returns

[rain bobcat]

whens next major event

im not interested in the URevent because its lazy

[viscid swift]

uhhh

potentially Venus Vacation rerun 2

[stark quiver]

say what

[viscid swift]

sometime next month at the earliest

[rain bobcat]

hmm ic

[viscid swift]

alpa do you not pay attention to news channel or stream summaries

[late flame]

aside from raising scavenger and tb skin I'm also kinda meh regarding the russian UR lul

[rapid shard]

that involves reading and doesnt have PvP

[viscid swift]

it was also mentioned in elp at least onc

[rain bobcat]

no batch 2 lny and no l2d+ UR event because the 2 events are too close

chalked format

[viscid swift]

should have just made it a CN UR but what do I know after 5 years

[rain bobcat]

like its a CA how good can it even get unlucky

[rain bobcat]

true

[late flame]

looks like a new doa collab rather than rerun
|| also probably ded on arrival||

[stark quiver]

no i dont
i read less of elp

[wind hazel]

wait for the kit before doomposting

[viscid swift]

I mean look at the track record of rainbow CAs, Drake, Unzen, Napoli, Hindenburg, Gouden

[rain bobcat]

its just gonna be new people and extra marie rose skin ong

[viscid swift]

does not exactly instill me with confidence

[stark quiver]

i cant even lie to you, i muted the news channel in elp

[wind hazel]

how many times have AL broke pattern in recent years

[rain bobcat]

the barrage looked average so idk

[wind hazel]

everyone was adamant last jp UR was a vanguard

[stark quiver]

oh goddamit, elp lost nitro and now theres no more tag

[viscid swift]

Drake: undertuned and now dead
Unzen and Hinden: had something of a niche but then got powercrept by utility ships with DPS
Napoli: fills a niche that is useless
Gouden: just a Guam sidegrade

[wind hazel]

@me when new UR has insane buff with top tier dps with insane debuff

[rain bobcat]

[viscid swift]

also need I remind everyone we still have no gacha UR CL

[wind hazel]

it's this year, i can feel it

[rain bobcat]

cn anni trust

[rapid shard]

No gacha BBV either right?

[rain bobcat]

bb+cl

[viscid swift]

anyway, Moskva might be broken and if she is I'll eat my words but

[rain bobcat]

ping me when shes better then z52

[late flame]

unlikely but it could be a surprise kek

[hollow gust]

no trust for cheeky after porter

[viscid swift]

I blame mebot for the fucked eHP calcs for one

and number 2, I wasn't exactly wrong either, her use thus far hasn't been that wide

[stark quiver]

porter has a great skin

[rain bobcat]

default+ unicorn aux better

[stark quiver]

i used porter

[late flame]

tbh too lazy to swap porter into opsi but at least she sees use in w16 I suppose

[fiery swan]

what's with porter

[wind hazel]

some call it dead on arrival

[slow fox]

mutsukistare

[fiery swan]

is porter really that bad

[stark quiver]

no

infact shes pretty good

[viscid swift]

Well when it looked like she had 65% eHP

[slow fox]

Maybe I should stop eHP calcs before the full TL and formatted data came out

[fiery swan]

so in what direction did we miscalculate her ehp

[slow fox]

She's like 110 or smt

[fiery swan]

so she's around as durable as your classic era CA tank

[wind hazel]

what is classic era ca tank

[slow fox]

Eugen 120
Roon 100
Portland 100

Azuma 110

[late flame]

first time heard of such thing lol

[stark quiver]

a classic era ca tank ofc

[fiery swan]

stuff like those ironblood tank CAs that used to be top tier until we started getting DD and CL tanks that were way better than them

[slow fox]

Or I guess Eugen preaug was like 110

Drake 110

[fiery swan]

i still can't believe roon is only 100 these days

[sweet delta]

they had tanks in the Classical Era?

[slow fox]

Roon was always 100, but shieldcopers are bad at math

Cheshire fate 107

Montpelier 106

You know what, 110 -> Classic CA Tank might not be wholly inaccurate

[viscid swift]

Chinawall

[fiery swan]

montpelier is a CL or her whole identity falls apart

[slow fox]

150 bless

[fiery swan]

i think the only CA tank we still use a lot these days is Anchorage

[wind hazel]

if you're new to midgame yeah

[slow fox]

-# My Opsi Fleet has many CA tanks

[hollow gust]

[slow fox]

-# Off the top of my head... uhh
-# Gouden
-# uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fiery swan]

what does the 3STD thing on the ehp chart mean again

[slow fox]

"How inconsistent the ship is"

[hollow gust]

Anchorage is a broke person ship , Gouden and Napoli are used

[fiery swan]

how do you interpret it, higher means what

[hollow gust]

Haven't touched Anchorage since Elridge retro

[slow fox]

Higher means more inconsistent

[viscid swift]

People use Napoli?

[slow fox]

-# me

[stark quiver]

when 14h released yes

[fiery swan]

napoli is so hard to exp farm for

[wind hazel]

least used modern DR

[hollow gust]

Hindenburg 🚮

Most overrated ass dps in the game , somehow less consistent then torp spammers that aren't using mags

[fiery swan]

so why does eldridge kai have 60% inconsistency and is still good

[wind hazel]

because her invulnerability is too good to pass up on

[hollow gust]

Huh? 60% is the slow

[slow fox]

^ What he said. But I used math instad.

So this means (according to the math), if her eHP is at like 140, and her 3STD is 60, then 99.97% of the time, her performance is going to be between 80 (if nothing procced, I guess) and 200 (too lucky, probably).

[wind hazel]

he's talking about the ehp std

[fiery swan]

i'm trying to understand how to interpret std and signal to noise

[wind hazel]

high signal=good, very close to tank title

[slow fox]

high signal = consistent

StN was something I whipped up to try and confirm the existence of the elusive "EVA tank"

[ivory sigil]

Was she that crucial on W16?
Does that mean i should MLB willyD ? I was plan to MLB her in next 2 years upon rerun ...

[rapid shard]

Depends on what all you have. she does have good AA and ASW so she works well in 16

[fiery swan]

strangely enough z52's std and stn values seem to indicate that she isn't a consistent tank

and yet we know that she is

[wind hazel]

no

[ivory sigil]

I barely had anyone AA or ASW beside Sandie

[rapid shard]

If your trying to push 14+ she might be worthing MLBing depending on what all URs and how many bulins you have

[slow fox]

That's just the color, ghaghagagaaahaha.

Her StN is like 8.8. Here are some other ships with 8.8 StN.

Felix Sch
Otto
Chikuma

[wind hazel]

chikuma mentioned 🐰

[ivory sigil]

I'm glad i got Anchorage fs5, she is waaay tankier than my SR collab, but yeah i can stick with her from now until Eldridge item appear like in august ?

[fiery swan]

what's our numerical tank benchmark then

[slow fox]

130+ probably

[rustic adder]

Has w16 been solved yet? I want to start trying it soon maybe

[fiery swan]

i mean for std and stn colors

[rapid shard]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-16-mechanics

[rustic adder]

Thx

[slow fox]

The colors are more arbirtrary than the numbers, hahaha
-# I rely on community criticism to tell me if a particular number/value feels miscolored

[rapid shard]

-# i wish DPS and EHP was on same sheet so i didnt have to keep swapping between them

[slow fox]

-# I publish MebotDPS with eHP5

[fiery swan]

for one, bayard looks numerically superior on the chart but i don't think anyone uses her as a tank over jervis or z52

[wind hazel]

uh, if given choice you'd pick bayard over jervis

[ivory sigil]

6 UR bulin
only 3 UR are most recent 3 months release

[rapid shard]

What other URs do you have?

[ivory sigil]

I have 0 UR

[rapid shard]

Honestly would be worth MLBing Porter espically since next event is a single UR event

[slow fox]

The 4% isn't worth much in terms of eHP, so if some other ship (Z52) has superior utility, players would be more inclined to use her.

The community understands (generally, I think) that tanks have to do other things than just take damage

[rapid shard]

@slow fox What is the dmg spread between each of the 3 slots?

[slow fox]

0.5/0.25/0.25

This data was gathered for a splashy-ish environment, so it might be more like 0.5/0.2/0.3

[fiery swan]

so basically it's tank vs russian tank (you don't have to tank enemy damage if all the enemies are dead)

[slow fox]

-# Yes

[hollow gust]

tank is a very nuanced catoagorization, alot of content dont require the bulkiest vanguard

plymouth main tanks like 95% of content perfectly well, ofc some here woulnt call her a actual tank

[fiery swan]

and despite having like only 112% we can tank just as easily with tohka because she also throws an insane amount of barrage

[hollow gust]

huh?

[wind hazel]

it really depends on the content

[viscid swift]

No that's because mebot got the calcs wrong initially by using 3 auxes instead of 2

So we thought Tohka had 130%+ ehp when it's actually 112%

[hollow gust]

tohka is a ship for newbies and midgame, you dont need a napoli for w10

[rapid shard]

-# that event calcs was all over the place lol

[viscid swift]

anyway, pure tanks are pretty dubious in 2025

[hollow gust]

every single CB can disappear and you wont feel a difference

[viscid swift]

sneak peak for something upcoming

[fiery swan]

what's that for

[rapid shard]

Update UR list?

[viscid swift]

a Guide to URs

[fiery swan]

we might just get an FDG aug

if they're starting to give season 2 augs

[rapid shard]

I dont think theyve gave any UR/DR a unique aug yet. not counting sandy

[fiery swan]

warspite

[slow fox]

hUH

[viscid swift]

I haven't touched Napoli since W14 hard mode came out

[slow fox]

-# I touch Napoli

She's in my opsi fleet

[late flame]

-# gonna buy the figure

[wind hazel]

can 404 really be considered transitional or secondary pick when she's the best in her category

[viscid swift]

she's a sub so yeah

end game sub content not found

[late flame]

-# better UR subs incoming

[rapid shard]

-# UR tempesta sub fleet next

Honestly tho with W16 does that increase the value of having actual proper sub fleets or do they not make enough of a difference?

[late flame]

the latter

[rapid shard]

I havent really used subs for anything other than 404s crossfleet up to 16-2 so far \

[wind hazel]

they failed to make sub relevant even with the new mechanics on 1 and 2

[late flame]

devs half-assed the sub fleet mechanic anyway in w16 lol

-# cope for only submarine fleets allowed* in w17

[sweet delta]

it appears that support sub battle is broken in 16-1 and 16-2, especially with I-404

[late flame]

can't even manual it smh

[rapid shard]

Broken in what way?

[ivory sigil]

-# but yeah i have a beginner letter (shinano prob) and a 400 selector soon ( Musashi or York2 prob)

there is Soyuz too, I heard people say she's strong
lets assume i have 9 UR bulin in March 2026 and it need 4-5 UR bulin to at least MLB 1
I think i will try MLB Soyuz and asking later

Does w14 too difficult to let Auto? and would WDP works in w14?

[rain bobcat]

I dont see a reason to rush w14 and no content in this game is not autoable outside of ex

[stark quiver]

every content is autoable

actually, minigame isnt

[random rain]

should I keep unicorn in the mob fleet for W15 or can I switch her for cowpens? running aquila-musashi in the fleet as well

[rain bobcat]

both work fine

[late flame]

-# I wouldn't have bothered to clear 16-4 if not for lucky bag curse tbh

[stark quiver]

i got cursed too, got takao skin instead of fujinami

[rain bobcat]

takao skin goated

[late flame]

wish we can trade lol

[sweet delta]

I think 16-4 lethal auto with iron blood only is possible with some insane RNG

Or dupes that I don't have

[covert dagger]

Is there a island planner fishing guide somewhere? I've been fishing for hours but only have a few of the different fish types unlocked

[cobalt gate]

so new ur 1st or rerun?

[forest palm]

most likely

[wind hazel]

new UR is next week. soyuz rerun announced, no date

[cobalt gate]

ahh i see. got it mixed up

btw what stat should i do next?

[forest palm]

FP

then TRP

[cobalt gate]

also what about hit and evade though?

[forest palm]

Hit you won't notice much, and EVA isn't gonna do much for DDs

well 20 EVA

[cobalt gate]

i see, man i wish we goto more cog

20 eva is like 10%

[forest palm]

to DDs that are already pushing an average of 250....

[late flame]

something something diminishing returns

[zenith heron]

||Anything new I missed about the Livestream? sorry can't see or watch it due low signal coverage area||

[late flame]

#jp-winter-2026-livestream-discussion

[forest palm]

#jp-winter-2026-livestream-discussion

[ivory sigil]

iirc there are bunch of skin and 5 new ship
-SN UR ship
-a prayer looking SRseg ship
-a hot looking Elite ship
-a Anson in disguise
-a gangut darkside

[late flame]

lul

[zenith heron]

sorry just say it since pictures are not loading in my end...
A new UR got released?

[late flame]

#game-news then

[cobalt gate]

i wonder how many characters are in the volleyball game, we have like 12 characters already collab?

[late flame]

for a moment i was like what volleyball game, the 3d dorm one is lame af

[zenith heron]

||A Heavy Cruiser, interesting||

[late flame]

regensburg meta was not on my bingo card though

[cobalt gate]

the only good heavy cruiser that comes to my mind is anchormage,

[sweet delta]

💀

[south sequoia]

[forest palm]

[south sequoia]

Plenty of good CA's if not better CA's in the last 5 years since her release and u can only think of her??

damn we're approaching pr4 being 5 years old

[cobalt gate]

yeah, i feel like i rarely use CA

[wind hazel]

unzen, gouden leeuw

[forest palm]

we kind of have gone full circle where the meta for content prefers DDs and CLs more than it does CAs and CBs, not to say that those particular hull types don't work within the same space, but you definitely do see more DD and CL recommendations these days

[cobalt gate]

oh yeah gold lion, wow for some reaason i forgot uzen is CA, was she frail?

[inner delta]

that is true

[ocean terrace]

oh did DR5/PR6 coin come out yet?

[wind hazel]

not really, tanks better than a lot of ships

[whole crypt]

eh, it's less DDs and CLs and just a handful of specific ships that are DD/CL

it kind of already happened back when we got 14

full circle is if DDs become 🚮 again for meta

[forest palm]

that's why I said kind of, we're almost back to that time in 2018 where CAs weren't as advantageous

[whole crypt]

CAs were always in a weird spot, it just go weirder after CBs

[forest palm]

we have Eldridge in the meta which adds to the hilarity

[whole crypt]

but when you say DD/CL it's pretty much just 16, showdowns are heavily dependent on gimmick and specific ship skills

[cobalt gate]

probably just evade more important now for survival.

[inner delta]

15 def is ddcl too

[south sequoia]

Agir fatesim announced yet or nah

[forest palm]

EVA has always been important for survival, what first changed was the level cap giving CAs the needed EVA, then the stat shuffle also helped a lot

[whole crypt]

15 is more of a case of we just don't have a lot of massive AA CAs

[south sequoia]

Wow bricked

[keen bloom]

where can i get this

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker

[cobalt gate]

also helps that you need dd vs enemy subs

[south sequoia]

The direction for modern day ca's is weird, all the ur ca's are centered around being glass cannons except for napoli
With their dmg not being all too amazing bc of demands for other utility/survival
Then you have napoli whos mega tanky but then her tankiness kinda flies out the window bc why not just use eldridge to make everyone tanky on top of added utility

I'm interested what kinda stuff moskva will bring to the table but im not exactly hopeful

[whole crypt]

GL

[cobalt gate]

i mean if soviet buff than very good since soviet fleet is strong

[forest palm]

they also release way too many main fleet URs, and don't do much vanguard past the free DDs

[cobalt gate]

also any reason we still dont have a cl ur?

[whole crypt]

the top CA/CBs for 15 and 16 are GL and Guam, moreso than Napoli, because of AA + bulk

[late flame]

ask devs

[south sequoia]

who's gl again, girl's love?

[late flame]

good lord

[cobalt gate]

pr8 ship

[south sequoia]

I genuinely forgot gouden leeuw existed oh my god

[cobalt gate]

i mean probably most don't till they want to start doing chap 16 or 15

[ivory sigil]

Yeah you can coin Plymouth and shimanto nowadays as long as u had enough HMS faction and IJN

I seem missing quite HMS, where can i get them easily?

Just buy from guild?

[whole crypt]

Napoli only burrows in for her bulk given the amount of damage pressure but moreso for boss than mobbing

[cobalt gate]

rainbow frontrow research just take too long vs their benefi

[whole crypt]

GL got plenty of screentime for me

[cobalt gate]

guam is still high on my cb list because she has a good crossfleet

[wind hazel]

does she

[whole crypt]

doesn't really matter if it's vanguard or main fleet you finish a DR in like 4-5 months regardless

if anything I'm using GL more than Meck

[late flame]

haven't used any pr8s thus far lul

[cobalt gate]

speaking of which how good is the eagle fleet now? is it still only good for light armor damage?

[south sequoia]

Bis for light armor
Albeit it isnt full eagle

Lion + lex2 + york2

[cobalt gate]

on Lion still

[south sequoia]

No matter what you do lion will always find herself a spot on your fleet

[whole crypt]

Kear/Lex/York is in the same ballpark

[cobalt gate]

no 3 cv though?

[whole crypt]

nope

[south sequoia]

Kear is honorary cv but nope

Essex is well, essex
She's great but like not rly much util

[keen bloom]

i have a question please

[south sequoia]

Speak away

Also pls don't ask next time, just go straight to ur question so u dont have to waste your time with slowmode

[keen bloom]

Is the hard difficulty map in the current event worth farming (gold/exp) ?

[cobalt gate]

i see, well at least eagle is good at something again. also anywhere i can see like meta fleets now

[whole crypt]

as far as I know Lion/LexYork isn't ahead of Kear, at least not by a meaningful or significant amount consistently

[keen bloom]

compare to exp map farm stage like 11-1 ?

[whole crypt]

11-1 is way ahead

[cobalt gate]

not really worth

just do for pt till 38000

[whole crypt]

event hard is okay-ish for XP if you don't have access to oil cap yet but still rubbish for coins
if you have 11-1 there's basically no reason to do your grinding in events once you're done with points

the only direction from there is up, recommended farm spot is ch12

[keen bloom]

[keen bloom]

my event point is 27k

[whole crypt]

there's like 5 more days or so

you just need to do a bit more than the 15 daily to reach 38

[wary timber]

Is it worth to try 6-4 for Yuudachi drop.. shes been on my list of ships I want for a while now

[hollow depot]

uh what does this do

[cobalt gate]

nothing

[whole crypt]

nothing besides looking pretty in your depot

[hollow depot]

bruh

[cobalt gate]

its basically a pr move that was pretty lazy

[hollow depot]

should've been a skin

[whole crypt]

if you're just regularly grinding in 12+ it's up to you to start going on side quests for collection

it's never been a skin, it's just a shitty replacement for what valentine's used to be

[cobalt gate]

a downgrade as well

[keen bloom]

cause i try to calculate the avarage exp i got from 1 clear (i dont use sub)

[wary timber]

I guess they got lazy to make a new skin

[cobalt gate]

so does cv or bb do better for med and heavy armor now

[keen bloom]

dont know if my calculate are legit

[kind needle]

do I need invested subs in W14 up?

[cobalt gate]

it will make it easier. 16 really wants sub

[whole crypt]

this costs 35 oil

per ship compare 608/25 vs 1137/35

[keen bloom]

my hard event is 25

[whole crypt]

yes but that screen is from a mid node in 11-1

[keen bloom]

i get it

[whole crypt]

even including the lower XP/oil on boss node it should be ahead of raid

but still you're really looking to farm in ch12, not 11

[harsh zephyr]

Need help with World 15, anyone available?

[sweet delta]

30% ahead of event raid i'd estimate

[keen bloom]

what stage in 12 please

[cobalt gate]

@harsh zephyr can help, trying to do 15 for 1st time or lvling?

[sweet delta]

The calculation to match your event results against the table is
608
divided by 1.2 for morale
divided by 1.2 for S rank
multiplied by 6 ships
divided by 25 oil
equals 101 exp/oil compared to 132 exp/oil in 11-1

[keen bloom]

suchigummi speak

[soft raft]

Why would you grind lvls in W15 💀

[cobalt gate]

cogs

[keen bloom]

oh 💀

[soft raft]

Yeah but that would just be regular grinding
lvls implies you're grinding ship lvls

Which is something most sane people do in W12

[harsh zephyr]

Trying to do World 15 for the first time. I'm at 15-4 now and need help keeping my boss fleet from dying.

[keen bloom]

i thought it was easy like sums and divine to see avarage 💀

[late flame]

-# imo only sadists* grind in w15 outside of 3starring

[keen bloom]

[cobalt gate]

@harsh zephyr ok show boss fleet, and you using subs?

[harsh zephyr]

Yes, I'm using subs. Give me a moment...

[keen bloom]

thanks you for your service

[cobalt gate]

also try to do the 1st boss flight with boss fleet then 2nd boss fight with mob fleet then 3rd boss fight again with boss fleet to avoid debuff

[harsh zephyr]

Thanks to the Azur Lane subreddit in advance for their help. This is my current boss fleet set-up. Main fleet doesn't have an issue weathering Boss 3; it's just the vanguard fleet I have problems with...

And then here's my sub fleet set-up, since it was asked. 8U

https://imgur.com/a/K6aLAd0 And then here's a link to all the gear I have available since I'm not about to flood Discord with numerous screencaps, lol.

[sweet delta]

💀 reddit

[harsh zephyr]

If it helps, I have every ship available thus far except for Houston II and Fujinami, for obvious reasons.

[soft raft]

Just make a thread 💀

[sweet delta]

i see nothing egregiously wrong besides the wasted gold plates on flapjack

and Musashi's main gun

you are fighting boss 1 and 3 with this fleet?

[harsh zephyr]

Yes?

[cobalt gate]

are you doing boss 2 with mob fleet?

[harsh zephyr]

What should I be gearing, if it’s this bad?

[harsh zephyr]

Yeah, I’m doing Boss 2 with mob fleet.

[soft raft]

Iirc boss 1 and 3 are Medium armor so that HE gun on Musashi is pretty poo

[sweet delta]

there's nothing much wrong besides a lot of poor gold plate distribution, but that's in the past

[keen bloom]

[sweet delta]

musashi shuold be using this gun

[cobalt gate]

and i guess you can try the eagle repair aux for guam if you are close to beating the boss

[cobalt gate]

also use the purple aux for cv if you can still get air+ with them

[sweet delta]

+13 the g7e torps

[whole crypt]

either 12-1 or 12-4 depending on how well you manage
-4 is significantly better coin and -1 is slightly better XP

[cobalt gate]

wait g7e better than bidder on 404?

[keen bloom]

would +13 weapon dealt more dmg outside Operations siren ?

[cobalt gate]

it gives gear efficency, which increases dmg

[whole crypt]

it adds damage directly for planes
the way it adds damage depends on the weapon type

[sweet delta]

you may also consider changing sandy to laffii if your mob fleet can go fine without laffii

[cobalt gate]

small thing as well, use bow instead of septure for cv if you have them lvled

[whole crypt]

also the thing you're looking for is damage coefficient, efficiency is the word we use for slot %

[cobalt gate]

ahh my bad

speaking of which, would just running york 2 and lex 2 be better than aquillia for boss?

[harsh zephyr]

Along with Musashi, you mean?

. . . I don't know. I didn't even think of it until you mentioned it just now.

[soft raft]

Without the Aquila heal, Musashi would likely be complete toast due to her damage tanking gimmick

[cobalt gate]

i thought that doesn't trigger if you put her in the middle

[harsh zephyr]

That was what I noticed too, which is why I had Aquila sortied with Musashi. First time I tried that in 15-1, my boss fleet just crashed out.

[sweet delta]

lexii prefers taking damage to make the main fleet immune to planes, but musashi delays that by a lot and musashi would probably lose 40% before lexii loses 50 or 75%

[whole crypt]

if this ship is NOT your Flagship OR your Airspace Control status is not Air Incapability or Air Denial

[sweet delta]

musashi does just fine without aquila and cowpens if you give her an AA radar or good enough fleet AA

[soft raft]

Oh

[whole crypt]

which is a lot of AA

[soft raft]

Honestly completely forgot about that part since I always run her flag

[whole crypt]

practically speaking the skill should be active most of the time

[left ferry]

where'd you get that gun for musashi?

[sweet delta]

i got it from renhex fleet tool, but you can get it from PR7 research or the PR7 blueprints in the proto shop

[harsh zephyr]

Oh, I see. I was going to ask where that came from...

[left ferry]

thank you @sweet delta

[harsh zephyr]

. . . I have a cubic buttload of those blueprints from when I was grinding for Nakhimov and Napoli. I'll have to make that. Appreciate the input, @sweet delta!

[cobalt gate]

speaking of which is cowpen considered an upgrade over aquillia now?

[sweet delta]

If you still have trouble with the boss fleet, then I recommend to just build the super mob that does all mobs and boss 1 + 3

[harsh zephyr]

I see. It sounds like it's more of a gearing issue than anything else?

[sweet delta]

i think the gear and ships are mostly fine and the fleet is fine, it's just that boss 1 + 3 is a bit RNG-dependent

[harsh zephyr]

Because aside from swapping out Sandy and Laffey II, it looks like I just had Musashi and Yorktown II geared wrong.

Ah... BX;;;

[sweet delta]

because the pre-boss waves have some DDs or CLs that can torpedo your vanguard

[cobalt gate]

most 1st clears are rng mostly, from enemy bb hits and frontline vs torp if you auto

[sweet delta]

through I would recommend for the future to +13 gear according to a good priority instead of +13'ing so many flapjacks or +11/12 so many things instead of +13 few things

two +13s is better than seven +11s

[cobalt gate]

also for main guns backrow > front row for +13

[harsh zephyr]

I see... since torps were mentioned. Would giving the vanguard torpedo bulges be helpful, or is it not that useful overall compared to getting +13 gear?

[cobalt gate]

helps more with mob vs boss, but you can try, otherwise its basically rng if torp hits or not

to be honest the best thing is just manualing the boss stage against torp

since you are currently good against planes in 15-4 boss fights

[harsh zephyr]

Yeah... I don't have any issues with planes, it's really just vanguard survivability that's the main issue...

[cobalt gate]

its mostly since some of the vanguard loses a lot of hp vs planes

try doing some changes and hope that helps, usually if your backrow can kill faster vaguard won't be in that much trouble unless bad rng

also anyone have a list of the best fleets currently? and not just tierlist for single ship?

[harsh zephyr]

That list would certainly help. I feel like Michael Scott whenever I'm looking at the tierlist...

https://tenor.com/view/confused-mad-whatever-done-steve-carell-gif-7281251

[strange flame]

Is there a node to farm xp for subs like how I farm xp in 12-4

[late flame]

12-1 because smaller map

[sweet delta]

coalition or raid event such as the current event

[whole crypt]

more affinity than XP anyway

[late flame]

yep unless your subs are also low levelled

[cobalt gate]

@strange flame use books

and dorm

[whole crypt]

per oil spent on subs ch12 is still better XP, it's just not being able to summon them that's the problem

even if your subs are low level they can just be deployed to leech XP

[late flame]

unless you happen to be levelling 404 / da vinci and/ or maggio which somewhat mitigates deployment issues

[whole crypt]

it just takes more fights total to get them leveled, which doesn't really matter if you're leveling other shit alongside anyway

[late flame]

-# had a good laugh recalling my noob self* used to spend extra oil dragging subs around

[strange flame]

I'm assuming ssubs are important 14+

[exotic sorrel]

I'm at 388/400 I feel like I wanna wait for BismarckZwei cuz I heard she'll get added soon

[cobalt gate]

i'm just waiting till we can get 3 cross fleet subs

[late flame]

not really

[whole crypt]

not soon enough

[exotic sorrel]

What month she gets added then?

[late flame]

ask devs

[whole crypt]

likely closer to May or later, we don't have the exact schedule

[exotic sorrel]

I thought Bismarck was said to be late February

[late flame]

lol no

[exotic sorrel]

May is wild 😭

[cobalt gate]

didn't bismakr get a rerun recently

[whole crypt]

no, she did like 8-9 months ago

archive is closer to 3 years from original run and she was 2023 CN anniv

[cobalt gate]

i see thought it was like 4 months ago

[whole crypt]

it's more of they offer additional damage where it may fall short in later content so it depends on how well built your surface fleets are, and whether you try to do some shit like lethal 3-starring because 0ammo hurts, a lot

[cobalt gate]

other that 404 did we get good cross fleet last year. we got porter this year but i don't think anything else than htose 2

[onyx flame]

wasnt there 🦁

[cobalt gate]

wait we also got traf, although that one is super specific

[wintry wraith]

Guys, Is it a good idea to have 3 CV/CVL?

[cobalt gate]

for what

[wintry wraith]

world 8

And also the fact that I kinda suck at the game

[cobalt gate]

usually 2 cv and 1 bb better because of suicide ship or ships the frontrow doens't really intercept

[ivory sigil]

Hmm who would u choose then?

Im also 388/400 & thinking of york2 or musashi if not have

[exotic sorrel]

I heard York2 needs Lex2

[onyx flame]

regardless it still be musashi

[stark quiver]

even if i already have musashi mlb

[late flame]

NJ and vanguard be like :

[tropic tusk]

new UR should be next patch?

[whole crypt]

Moskva oathing speedrun

[tropic tusk]

whens the enxt collab?

april?

[whole crypt]

april sounds like a good date but we don't know

[tropic tusk]

how about according to history? dont tell me its nov

[whole crypt]

if this means anything

[tulip tinsel]

Zwei is in months, grab musashi if you don't have her

[whole crypt]

Kizuna AI was also Apr but but that was 2019

[rain bobcat]

[tropic tusk]

It was April

This is going to be hard 2months again

[hollow depot]

upcoming one is fine?

[late flame]

error fine not found

[hollow depot]

eh

[tulip tinsel]

just finished the pr7 handbook thing and got the 30blanks. all in for nakhi or save?

[eternal basalt]

Save for what, they wont turn PR8

[tulip tinsel]

true

[onyx flame]

i mean if it helps your nakh get to dev 30 faster, if not you could always just turn it into protocore

[whole crypt]

I'm not saying doa collab 3 will be April but there's a fair chance it will be given they announced it now

any later it'll be alongside CN anniv/later, in which case CN anniv could announce it instead

March for the past 3 years have all been pseudoraids

[eternal basalt]

I am ready for the confussion like last year, even if events are super-simple

Last year's March event: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Letters_from_Valley_Hospital

[whole crypt]

yes and it was zero to hero the year before, frostfall the one before that

[eternal basalt]

Crap event, first coalition event

[whole crypt]

thus why I said it's been pseudoraids the past 3 years

2022 was VT, 2021 was simulacrum rerun pre-light-rerun era

we'll probably get another SP or some sort of crappy format event in March then collab in Apr

[shell willow]

is using ix bugged on w16 support fleet?

[whole crypt]

it worked when I did it on ch16 launch, not sure if anything changed since

[autumn cargo]

what to buy there?

[onyx flame]

/protocore

[odd root]

Protocore Guides

🔹 Protoype Core Priority image guide by samheart564
🔹 Prototype Core Spending image guide by elp

[onyx flame]

feels like the first image might need updating

[autumn cargo]

hm but I don't have the blue ones only the Gray ones

[onyx flame]

those just save to buy ur bulins when you have enough to mlb a ur

[autumn cargo]

ohh alright thank u! how do I get the blue ones tho

[onyx flame]

alr listed in here
2nd image, near the top

[autumn cargo]

THANK U

[exotic sorrel]

What the hell

Is it possible to get the same ship you chose in the UR exc in build as well

[crimson glacier]

i mean arent those all the URs that are in the perma pool

[dim tundra]

first 2 ships I should retrofit + methods of getting t3 cruiser blueprints

[onyx flame]

unicorn, play hard mode that is above chp 3

also the lack of locks is concering

[dim tundra]

oh yeah...

I kinda forget, I just sell my rares

[unkempt mortar]

how much potential power am i losing if i missed out on william porter?
i have i-404, leonardo, u-96, and flasher as my strong options

and probably maggiore too

[onyx flame]

wdp isnt a sub thou

[unkempt mortar]

wait she isnt?

[onyx flame]

she's a dd

[unkempt mortar]

oh lemme check my dds

laffey 2, mogador, z52, shimakaze, trafalgar, i guess hatsuzuki

[tulip tinsel]

not the end of the world

[late flame]

also: why no eldridge

[unkempt mortar]

i didnt purchase her 😔

[tulip tinsel]

wait we getting a UR gun with moskva?

[whole crypt]

there's a UR gun we don't know what it is, but chances are it's a CA gun for Moskva herself

[agile patrol]

hi. i feel like working on my subs
where do i get started? i can MLB 3 UR ships right now but i kind of dont have a particular need for one i think, so maybe MLB'ing 404 is an option

(other ideas are welcome)

[sick frost]

def mlb shinano first

[tulip tinsel]

no

[onyx flame]

hakuhou is like right there

[woven star]

No Archerfish

[agile patrol]

how do i get an fish archery

[sick frost]

i didnt even notice her 😭

[woven star]

Missed event. Next time maye

[agile patrol]

WHAT.

[onyx flame]

perma pool, so you gotta just get lucky

[agile patrol]

urhhmmm are there no alternatives 🥺 👉 👈

[woven star]

Wish well maybe

[spark patio]

I have 2200 coredata
already buy
Independence
2 tables
2 black shells
3 white shells
2 Breguet
1 B-13 twin
2 Homing beacon
which should i buy next?

[agile patrol]

do i MLB hahoukou

[onyx flame]

could start buying stuff for subs

[onyx flame]

prob want to see your whole list of urs first, there also a new ur coming next maint

[spark patio]

snorkel and the paper?

[sick frost]

basically any u boat, U101, 37, and 96 are good, if you have 404 def use her

*ssr u boat

[agile patrol]

auehrh... i have flasher, but not the others. guess i have to wait