gameplay-help

[turbid dawn]

Yeah that's the plan

[wind hazel]

you can try the prowler on musashi

saw some CN bro using that strat

[strange fable]

heya, what does "musashi fighter" on Aquila mean?

[wind hazel]

pairing aquila with musashi, using double fighter setup as healer

[turbid dawn]

Yeah okay switching to Lion has helped massively over Sushi thanks

[noble pawn]

I got this for free and there's no remarks about this gear in some guides. Any recommendation for which purpose and which ships good for this? I'm asking because it has fast reload

[soft raft]

Complete ass

[onyx flame]

its got some niche uses but generally isnt used

[wind hazel]

good on some ship that require faster rld speed, like shimanto, wdp

[zenith heron]

I know this is just a waste but what is the best loadout for Minato Aqua?

[turbid marsh]

i guess search basically search your general sub bis......

[strange fable]

Opsi anti heavy 3CV
if im running haku/shina/amagiCV, who should i bring on VG that can help slow/freeze?
Or is it better to swap out haku for impla instead?

[hollow gust]

Haku for implacable

Shinano and Amagi absolutely do not need more dps in opsi

[strange fable]

unzen/kazagumo/shimanto for their vg?

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I just don't understand how to clear these damn nodes when OOA, the planes and BBs just destroy my main fleet. I've copied the gear exactly and it just doesn't seem to work

[hollow gust]

Unzen might die and shimanto is doing basically nothing there

[strange fable]

who is more preferred ?

[turbid marsh]

if in doubt, slap z52 kaza eld

maybe its not the most preferred or strongest XD

[hollow gust]

Monsters like Z52 or Laffey for tank , then theres Sirius Trafalgar etc

Porter does very little for Sakura

[strange fable]

im using guam/laf2/sirius on kear/lex2/york2

[turbid marsh]

yeah i realized, so i changed it to kaza.

[hollow gust]

There are a lot of alternative vanguards

[onyx flame]

haku as in hakuryuu or hakuhou

[strange fable]

hakuhou sorry

[hollow gust]

Shinano gets booted then

[strange fable]

oh damn, alright
also 3 sakuras including shinano or no?

[hollow gust]

if you use shinano then you only need 2 more sakuras

[strange fable]

alright, thanks, and i guess im gonna swap her to hakuhou to stay up to date

[steady vigil]

for hakuho, how important is it that she's in a same-faction main fleet?

[soft raft]

Not that important
She gets a nice little damage buff out of the flagship being Sakura when they fire a barrage or launch a airstrike, but it's not extremely vital to her viability

[steady vigil]

is it flagship? I thought she got a cycling set of bonuses from any main fleet sakura ship performing any action

[soft raft]

Oh wait nvm yeah just main fleet

[steady vigil]

is there a shortcut to getting a ton of T4 parts or is it just slow no matter what I do

[soft raft]

The latter
You mainly have to farm OpSi and get to 45k event pt milestones on events (or whatever it is lowered to for reruns)

[strange fable]

for guam's blue skill to work, main fleet pos 2 should be the BB right?

[steady vigil]

is there a chart for research project priority to get gear?

I assume it's just picking the rigging ones, prioritizing shorter duration

but I'm having a hard time getting blueprints so idk if I'm doing something wrong

[eternal pine]

#game-news message worth pulling on?

[lunar arrow]

Someone has picture for rerun order?

[lunar arrow]

Yeah,found it too

[little tree]

Flasher is a very good sub right?

Perfect thank you

[ivory sigil]

hmm?

it’s the BB at the topmost position

[stray cobalt]

How does the sub support fleet work in w16

[undone plover]

55k

[stray cobalt]

And do I need it cuz I haven't leveled any of my subs

[undone plover]

U cleared 15 with no subs?

[stray cobalt]

Yeah

[strange fable]

ok thanks, to the offtank pos she goes

[whole crypt]

the sub fleet engages in an initial round against 16-1 and 16-2's "boss", you get a bonus/penalty depending on how much damage you manage to do
the less damage you do the higher the enemy's concealment will be, and the lower yours will be, and you will need to go through more mob fights before boss spawns

[little tree]

~~ subs are over rated ~~ for w 15

[boreal wagon]

if you manage to kill the prefight you also have to do one mob less

[whole crypt]

it supposedly should engage in additional support attacks but as it is it's currently not happening

[boreal wagon]

they arent supposed to

[whole crypt]

they mentioned something about additional support in the stage

[boreal wagon]

their additional support is spawning torps in the battles of your fleets, which they do

[whole crypt]

hm didn't see it might have overlooked it

[boreal wagon]

well they inherit their gear skins
so if u put skins on them itll be fairly easy to spot

[undone plover]

What does concealment do btw?
I cant believe I cleared ch14 and still dont know
Is it just like our CV fleet concealment?
Or is it like a shield?

If u use 3 CV with tenrai + wyverns
Does it matter if enemy is concealed

[whole crypt]

ah well I'm done with -1 and -2 anyway no plans to go back

[boreal wagon]

but youll occasionally also just see torps spawn out of nowhere and even sometimes torps going perpendicular to the battle field
its honestly quite the funny thing

[stray cobalt]

Concealment makes shells miss, afaik it doesn't affect torps

[whole crypt]

but yes having a strong sub fleet will significantly improve your experience with 16-1 and 16-2

[little tree]

Anyone know how much aa power you need 16 3 compared to 15 4 is it the same more or less

[wheat pilot]

Anyone able to update my opsi fleet? (Minus PR8 DR and Nakhimov

[boreal wagon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chapter_14

alternatively: https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/concealment/

obviously none of this includes chapter 16 yet

[whole crypt]

lars any low cost 16-4 comps going round yet?

[proud fog]

just trying to confirm the airstrikes and whatnot are still bugged in 16-4?

[boreal wagon]

no bc i got lucky

[proud fog]

I've noticed sometimes I can still bomb them when they're uncovered but tbh I'm not really paying attention to planes and I don't even know if destroying them has had any effect

[boreal wagon]

well im sure there are some but i havent payed attention to em

[iron gust]

Gentlemen Rafaello is not gonna make it alone. How tf do i kill the big ass boats that attack my main fleet fast enough

[boreal wagon]

can prolly search messages from the Orca guy i think they posted their idea

[stray cobalt]

Vanguards with summons help cuz they get stuck on them

Like Laffey II

[iron gust]

Im rocking Z52 Eldridge and eeeeerm

Wait

[trim depot]

why can u only resupply at certain docks

[iron gust]

Can those boats focus on Laffey's bun drones?

[whole crypt]

if you mean OS the red ports are Axis docks

[iron gust]

Cause like i just need to take their sights OFF Rafaello. My girl needs a break

[whole crypt]

they currenly don't do anything besides being able to spawn missions

[stray cobalt]

No they just get slowed by ramming then

[trim depot]

ok

[iron gust]

Im rockin Uni and Cowpens too

[stray cobalt]

The same way they get slowed by ramming your vg

But really you should run LafII in ur mob fleet if you have it

[iron gust]

Ok

Cause like my vanguard does not die

Ooooh im running Sandy. I wonder if AA will get harder if i swap

Hmmmmmmm

[stray cobalt]

Laffey has quite good AA too, but not as much as Sandy

[agile patrol]

WATWIAITWAITWAITAWITAWITIAWT
GUYAM AND LAFFEY 2 ARE IN THE SAME EVENT????

[iron gust]

I dont think so?

[agile patrol]

i'll be able to get both in one. event??? 😭 best week ever

[iron gust]

Laffey came with yorktown twoost

[stray cobalt]

Also if your vg isnt dying then maybe run Musashi instead of Raff

[iron gust]

Wasnt it yorktown?

[dark hazel]

laffey is the free one

[soft raft]

no lmfao

[whole crypt]

swapping to Musashi could cause your main fleet to die instead

weigh your options
16 is hard

[iron gust]

It is the free one but what was the other UR that came with her

[dark hazel]

guam

[iron gust]

damn i have dementia

[iron gust]

Ye also Raff's barrage is too good

She does lots of things

[stray cobalt]

Fair enough

[forest palm]

oh, right the tech report is good for this event

[undone plover]

Iirc her art was teased with ykii event
But she released with guam

[ivory sigil]

i got blue hair supremacy pls drop me constellation early

[whole crypt]

which tech report

[forest palm]

just the 120 tech is what I'm talking about

[stray cobalt]

Honestly Laffey II should have been in the ykii event since she's at Patriots Poiny

[little tree]

Does anyone else have issues with vanguard survivability on 16 1 my last 2 runs have had no issues but my last 2 tries they hanging on a thread do certain nodes nuke vanguard?

[whole crypt]

not specifically but you could have been unlucky with torps

[brave rover]

err can someone link the shipyard research list thingy

[versed dagger]

i lost a guide spreadsheet i had, which had a tier list, fleet compositions, gear builds and others. do you all know something about it?

[little tree]

Ahh and rng different i guess

[dark hazel]

the tracker?
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker
or the bp list

[brave rover]

i think its like a recommended list or guide

[onyx flame]

this?https://azurlaneecgc.com/research/

[dark hazel]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus

[whole crypt]

I think I saw something like that a long while ago but I don't have the link to it nor do I know if it's up to date

[brave rover]

yeh dis one ty

[undone plover]

I remember one by ayaya (the guy/gal with the champy pfp)
But I dont have the link

[whole crypt]

just use stiggy's and ecgc

[dark hazel]

Sorry, didn't know what one you meant, but you can do /guide in #bot-spam to find all the guides quickly

[whole crypt]

yeh there's only been like one spreadsheet that covers so much in a single google sheet link

[versed dagger]

can i get the links? thanks

[whole crypt]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/
https://suchiguma.github.io/home/home-page

[undone plover]

Thats the only one I remember that was decent and was a spreadsheet

[versed dagger]

thanks a lot

[whole crypt]

it's decent but I haven't seen it in at least the past year

[versed dagger]

i have been using it, and it worked. lost the link when i switched to linux

[undone plover]

If I find it I will link u

[versed dagger]

thanks

[whole crypt]

being slightly annoyed right now that I have to slowly start moving things back in place after the 16 lethal shit is done

[ocean herald]

My low cost fleet, I've already made 150 runs on 16-4, still no Fujinami

[iron gust]

Ok i suppose im just awful at the game

Musa, cowpens and Aquilla...

I did 3 stars for everything and just gotta start the 16-4 grind now

[little tree]

@whole crypt do I have anything geared wrong for w16 on my vanguard

[trim depot]

will the opsi shop refresh if i buy out the shop?

[undone plover]

Maybe want to use manjuu on Eldridge
She can explode easily with hedgehog
Unless she is sandwiched but then u want her offtank usually so she procs her skill

[trim depot]

i assume since it says automatic refresh so there has to be a manual refresh

[wind hazel]

no manual refresh

[onyx flame]

depends which opsi shop you have, pre chp4 completion one do reset like 2 days? or something post chp4 is every month

[little tree]

Okay i can put majuin on her she is off tank z52 is main ill try that

[boreal wagon]

more specifically post chapter 4 post first reset

[trim depot]

alr ic ty

[cursive sky]

just asking, should I get Musashi?

[undone plover]

Pull perma =
If u have hit pity from dailies she is one of the best options to get
Post your URs what do u have

[cursive sky]

Let me check

[undone plover]

Disclaimer: I havent cleared ch16
But I noticed eldridge hedgehog offtank can die if u dont protect her in ch14h

[wind hazel]

wow

[iron gust]

Bubby those AAs wont do

[knotty jolt]

[iron gust]

Your main fleet is gonna get chewed

[knotty jolt]

Someone call the mods

[boreal wagon]

they already found it

[harsh gust]

yea, someone should do it

[knotty jolt]

That was fast

[undone plover]

They got snapped

[wind hazel]

just like my flagship in 16 😭

[cursive sky]

It ain't much but it's honest work

[wind hazel]

take musashi yes

[onyx flame]

fleet 1 i hope your not actually using em

[undone plover]

She will be very good to get yes
But like I said dont pull perma
If u already hit pity then pick her

[cursive sky]

My main fleet has hood, Implacable NJ and as vanguard Eugen, nimi and kron

[knotty jolt]

Word of advice don't just grab a new UR whenever you hit pity grab dupes till it's maxed

[wind hazel]

drop all your UR, they are worthless without limit breaks

[onyx flame]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide

[cursive sky]

So what should I really do, this game got me kinda lost and I'm stuck at 5-2 😔

[onyx flame]

i alr linked a guide, top of the guide has another link for even newer players give both a read

[cursive sky]

thanks, I'll read it once I'm home. Working rn

[knotty jolt]

Why are you playing al while you work

[wind hazel]

why not? work is temporary, azur lane is forever

[knotty jolt]

Inb4 EOS

[cursive sky]

Cuz I'm finishing

-# well working at 15 but it ain't that serious cuz it's my dad's workshop 👅

[strange sphinx]

what happened?

[knotty jolt]

Oh hacked account scammer thing mods already cleaned it up

[whole crypt]

Musashi on purp or daisen

[knotty jolt]

They were quite fast on this one too

[small quarry]

Laffey 2 will be available to exchange for points in the event store during this rerun 🤔

[ocean herald]

Daisen

[whole crypt]

first shop UR rerun, probably just going to be similar exchange mechanics but we don't know of what changes may be added

[ocean herald]

She has a specific build

[whole crypt]

are subs summoned at any point

[whole crypt]

lmao it really does get that bad for Musashi eh

ah yes missing a showdown oneshot because you forgot Momo's plygun was stripped

[ocean herald]

I set it up this way right away, I haven't tried it any other way, and the survival rate is excellent.

[iron gust]

Does that fix the survivability issue

Cause it seems not even Musashi can properly tank the BBs on 16-4

[small quarry]

It doesn't appear in the image, there's no description about it in the post, it will probably be archived for removal for 400 points. It's my first UR rerun, so I had doubts... but if the archiving is confirmed, this will happen with other URs in the future with W.D. Porter, Z52, etc.

[knotty jolt]

Even with eva aux it's RNG whether she dodged enough

[whole crypt]

what image

[small quarry]

game news

[ocean herald]

This is safe mode, low cost farming, and survivability is excellent: 150 runs and 0 deaths.

[iron gust]

[harsh gust]

Laffey is bought from event shop, the post is about construction (gacha) which she isn't a part of

[weary gust]

She isn't even in the image about the construction pool

[small quarry]

My question is whether it will be available again to exchange for points in the event store. 💀

[knotty jolt]

Forgot to mention earlier but thank you for taking care of the scammer and being amazing mods

[whole crypt]

why not

all past event reruns have had the exact same event shop

[boreal wagon]

if you wait until tuesday youll find out anyway

[whole crypt]

the only question is whether she'll be cheaper in the rerun or if there'll be sources to get vouchers faster over a shorter run

[little tree]

No worries ill give it a try anyways since Eldrich likes to die on the out of ammo fight

[iron gust]

LMFAO it actually works

[knotty jolt]

Guess we won't know till it happens

[iron gust]

Insane. Thanks for that

[dark hazel]

Is there any functional purpose in keeping elites once they hit 120 for tech? Do you need any for xp books in the future or are there enough SRs for that? I don't think the chance at future retrofits is enough to clog up my dock space

[whole crypt]

functionally it feels good to have every ship

[knotty jolt]

Other then wife no with few exceptions like Aurora but she been power crept mostly by Trafalgar

[whole crypt]

Just buy more dock space™

[dark hazel]

Right, mostly meant random trash ships, just wanted to double check before scrapping the easily re-obtainable ones
I keep whatever has a skin I like, but cba going above 540 dock space atm

[whole crypt]

ah well screw low cost I guess

forget I asked and thanks for your time

let's see if I can level Wakatsuki while doing this

[onyx flame]

they might randomlly get a retro that might push em to relevance you never know

[whole crypt]

the only time that has seriously happened before is DDGs and the Chinese tenders

[weary gust]

Unicorn

[trim depot]

is there a list of ships with crossfleet skills?

[whole crypt]

Unicorn is slowly falling out of relevance

[onyx flame]

do /crossfleet in #bot-spam

[weary gust]

But she was top healer for 5 years.

[trim depot]

tysm

[whole crypt]

to be fair Unicorn was already relevant before her retrofit

we didn't have that many healer options before Perseus came to flip the table

[onyx flame]

uni unique aug trust

[wind hazel]

w16 bug extend to w15?

[whole crypt]

woohoo 16-4 leveling

[cursive sky]

I'm afraid of 10+

[whole crypt]

get to 12 you'll be fine

[boreal wagon]

does w15 have air bases

[whole crypt]

supercarrier nodes might be a similar mechanism

[boreal wagon]

they arent

[whole crypt]

I didn't think they would be, but that's probably what Mori is asking

[boreal wagon]

ye i know i just wanted to answer in a rhetorical

[wind hazel]

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1156174426985725954?spm_id_from=333.1368.0.0 this guy is yapping something about w16 affecting w15

[whole crypt]

so you can actually level a lv120+ ship with a good setup in 16-4!

[cloud panther]

Need more coins for better gear but this worked

[boreal wagon]

they are talking about a different bug

[whole crypt]

that's the airstrikes not working

[boreal wagon]

specifically one relating to the airstrikes sometime failing yea

[whole crypt]

probably some part of fog working in reverse because they changed code there

[wind hazel]

so it's w16 bug extending to w15

[boreal wagon]

no bc it works fine in w16

[wind hazel]

[little tree]

you guys talking about the airstirke ability thats on the Map correct?

[whole crypt]

I have a feeling when clearing mode comes for 16 it'll take more fights to auto 16-4 than it does now
though it shouldn't be a real issue cost wise after you factor in oilcap

[wind hazel]

si

[little tree]

oh yea i got a clip of it in bug reports when i was doing my last clear of w15 4 it never worked no matter what nodes i did

[whole crypt]

yeh that's the bug

[little tree]

good thing unsinkable oscar kicked in to do the dmg anyways

[whole crypt]

basically they probably using the same airstrike code for 15 and 16 but because 16 has additional logic for fog there's something messing up for 15...

[wind hazel]

so w16 got easier, but w15 got harder

[whole crypt]

basically they didn't keep a set of the old code for 15 separately for whatever reason

[lethal raptor]

is there a sheet with the coin/exp diff between 12-4 and 13-4?

[wind hazel]

pyro my man

https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/auto-search-exp-and-coins/

[lethal raptor]

🙏

ty mori my man

[boreal wagon]

well to be fair constantly reimplementing what is essentially the same thing would be even more of a lunacy behaviour, they just messed up properly handling the parts that are different enough

[forest palm]

coding an the ever Jenga like structure to not have everything topple over

[soft raft]

Smol indie studio pls understand
All the budget went towards L2D skins

[forest palm]

no all the budget went to Azur Promilia

[scarlet cosmos]

how is mogador compared to william d porter?

[wind hazel]

less useful

[scarlet cosmos]

would it have been a better choice to mlb her instead of lex 2

[whole crypt]

depends on what else you have

[wind hazel]

her=mogador?

[onyx flame]

Prob asking about wdp vs lexi2

[real parrot]

I have 8 UR bulins now, which of these should I work on max limitbreaking first?

[turbid marsh]

i guess sashi > wdp=lex2 > unzen > haku in my opinion.

[bright talon]

Anyone have fleet comp for 16-3? With cv support?

[onyx flame]

Unzen over hakuhou certainly a choice is that all your urs?

[clear harbor]

Agir’s Skills are a bit more complicated than I realized. Does she want small caliber guns for more barrage shots? Or larger guns to maximize main gun damage? Also, does AP vs HE matter?

[tulip tinsel]

i wouldn't rank unzen higher than haku

[onyx flame]

Ap CB gun is prefered

[turbid marsh]

yeah in my opinion, i think unzen has more uses, but maybe my mindset is still like a year ago when unzen can more shine time XD

[bleak junco]

Random question…. Has anyone tried to beat main campaign with only elites before? Surely at least one person must’ve thought of and attempted this right…. Don’t know if you could be successful at all but

[atomic abyss]

Possible only to a certain extent

[bleak junco]

At what point does it become impossible

[atomic abyss]

15 is impossible

[bleak junco]

Sad…..

[atomic abyss]

Can't be 100% sure about 14

The issue is that the good elites are almost entirely old elites

Most of the newer elites just suck

A lot

[bleak junco]

They should make a random good elite at least once

[atomic abyss]

It's not that elites don't have an AA carry
Or a tank

They have

Many times

[onyx flame]

Is that all your urs? If it is my opinion is sashi>lexi2/hakuhou can prob ask again after guam/laff2 rerun

[atomic abyss]

There are
The issue is that most of them fulfil 1 role and 1 role only

And for hard content
You kinda need each team member to fulfil more than 1 role

Otherwise, they'd have to do that 1 role extremely well

Like Isuzu retro is an excellent AA carry

I imagine it's only possible if you include elite retro into SR

13 with elites is definitely possible

[atomic abyss]

Without say, level cap 130
I don't think this will change

[bleak junco]

Aw man….. I mean I guess they were an elite before so if you realllyyy think about it it actually counts……..!!!!!

[atomic abyss]

If you count those 14 is probably possible

Since you'd include in monsters like Uni and Indep retros

As well as tanks in the form of the Chinawall

[bleak junco]

Trrrrruueee…..

[atomic abyss]

And frontline DPS options in the DDGs

Problem with a true elite only is like

I'm quite sure Portland kai is your best tank?

[whole crypt]

just be a manual god

[atomic abyss]

Yeah you'd need to be manual god

[bleak junco]

I think so ……

[atomic abyss]

And even then it'll probably be A rank clear

[whole crypt]

player skill to cover for whatever the ships lack

[atomic abyss]

I've talked to the mad lad that did ironblood on w15 lethal before Rumey and Z52

[bleak junco]

It’s a good thing I’m skillful at everything!!!!!! Everything ever!!!!! Time to make a brand new account and try this for the funnies (kidding. Maybe)

[atomic abyss]

He thought that on auto 15 is impossible for elite only

[atomic abyss]

Fair would be including their pre-retro selves

But Indep is very underwhelming pre-retro

Uni is... Worse than shouhou for 14 without her retro

[atomic abyss]

Not sure if her augment helps that much

[whole crypt]

not by enough

[atomic abyss]

Casablanca and Bataan are better at that point

The most glaring issue is really healing

[bleak junco]

Well….. thanks for the explanation and stuffs guys. At least I know now so I don’t end up attempting that for some reason and becoming extremely disappointed with the results LMAO

[atomic abyss]

I still think clearing 13 with elites and below only is already remarkable

And that's something you can try to work towards I guess

And elites only would definitely be enough for event grinding

[bleak junco]

don’t give me hope and motivation……. If I can’t do something I think I can do I will be sad……….

[atomic abyss]

You'd need an actually good account for that

By that I mean good gear

[bleak junco]

true

[whole crypt]

elite only lategame is more of a challenge thing to do after you have all the gear and stats you can stack on them

[atomic abyss]

The madman I mentioned
Who did IB only w15 before Rumey and Z52 (who are basically the main AA carries for IB outside like, Nurnberg?)
Had a lot of tech

Was it Nurnberg
Can't remember

[bleak junco]

If I was stupid and impulsive I would still make a new account with none of that to do the thing. But thankfully I’m not stupid…. Or impulsive…. Okay maybe that’s a lie now that I think about it

[atomic abyss]

13 is possible cos of over levelling

And because you have AA carries

You'd better off using your existing account

[whole crypt]

you could hold 13 at lethal while you grind stuff up for it at 12, OS and research gearing included

honestly the bar for 13 isn't that high but the jump to 14 onwards is just too big

[atomic abyss]

You have AA carries like
Isuzu, the non-sandy Atlantas, the newer Elite Clevelands

[bleak junco]

I feel like it wouldn’t be as impressive (or just straight up cheating even if that’s what would make it possible) since I’ve basically already cleared up until that point and some of the maps are on safe lol

[atomic abyss]

Also decent carriers like Bataan and Casablanca

Base uni

[atomic abyss]

Do not underestimate how hard it is to get random elites from build

The issue is moreso getting the damn ships

[whole crypt]

again you can cover by being a manual god, but the elites simply do not have the stats or skills needed to tackle 14+ on auto

[atomic abyss]

Maybe 14 elite only is possible with a 130 cap

But then I ask
Who the fuck is gonna level elites to 130

Unless there's like new fleet tech at 130
Probably no one

[bleak junco]

Someone crazy and dedicated I guess

[atomic abyss]

Even the crazy and dedicated people only level them to 120 for tech

Because array shortage lol
(Let alone cog chips)

And ofc
No reward

There isn't enough arrays to get everything to 125 even

[bleak junco]

But what of the satisfaction you get from it???? Actually I don’t see anyone getting any real satisfaction from levelling an elite past that point but

Who knows. Maybe there’s that one person out there

[atomic abyss]

And getting enough chips just to 120 everything is already extremely difficult

[bleak junco]

True…

[whole crypt]

I mean this is just a matter of personal preference

[bleak junco]

Has anyone managed to do that. I wouldn’t think so since there’s constantly new ships that come out but who’s come closest to that goal is what I’m wondering

[atomic abyss]

No 125 Erebus
Boo

Everything to 125?
I'm pretty sure it's flat out impossible

[whole crypt]

game doesn't give enough arrays to 125 everyone

[bleak junco]

I don’t think there’s any specific answer to that though . Like a specific person you could point out that’s levelled up the most ships unless you just know them. Or all of the people dedicated in doing that

[atomic abyss]

The closest would probably be some CN leviathan
No idea how close it'd be

Very few players even have everything at least 120

I can count the number on EN with my fingers

[whole crypt]

the specific people who have leveled the most ships are sitting on top of your server's fleet power leaderboard if you really want to know

[bleak junco]

Woahhhh

[atomic abyss]

Though fleet power maxing involves dupes too no?

[whole crypt]

those are people who have most if not all of the ships at least 120 and then leveled dupes

[atomic abyss]

Dupes at like different LBs

[whole crypt]

fairly sure this is true for anyone at rank 10 and above at least

[atomic abyss]

Or some shit idk

[whole crypt]

it's a fairly simple numbers game

there's really not much to "achieve" in this game besides setting your own personal goals

[bleak junco]

That’s kinda crazy

More than kinda honestly I wouldnt do that ever.

[whole crypt]

it's also just burning money

[bleak junco]

Yeahhh I would think so……

[atomic abyss]

It is
Cos dock space

[whole crypt]

right now as it stands practically the most you can have up to 125 is maybe around 300 ships if you awaken a bunch of commons and rares, bring it up to elites the number it's closer to 200

[undone plover]

I think neko said even with arrays are still very limited

[whole crypt]

they are because there's almost no paid sources of arrays

[restive tangle]

Willian D porter, cleaveland META, f4u. From the event, I can only get 2 of the 3, which 2 should I get?

[ivory pawn]

Porter for sure.

I'm leaning F4U second, but tbh eh.

[strong tartan]

just get it, it's event limited and it won't be for a long time until you can get it again

but get porter first

[atomic abyss]

willie and f4u

[restive tangle]

cool, thx.

[white agate]

f4u?

[tulip tinsel]

event shop plane

[simple nacelle]

This is my fleet 1, mob fleet (kagerou and mogami are getting xp for kitakaze)

Second fleet, boss fleet. I got lvl 100 musashi, what ship can be exchange for it?

[undone plover]

u should have better ships than laffey tho

use helena at least

[ruby sinew]

would you upgrade blue augments to purple or would you just wait until you get a purple drop?

[versed dagger]

found it?

[undone plover]

i forgot
let me check some old chats

[versed dagger]

💀

is ok, if i found it once i can find it again

[soft raft]

Just directly craft the purple ones then use the blue ones as XP fodder

[spark patio]

laffey 2 grindable right?

[stark quiver]

she an event shop ship
much like william d porter in obtainment way

[white agate]

someone knows when they deliver the oil from the manju event?
i just noticed my oild bank is fucked

[stuck dragon]

im farming combat data atm and running 3-1 or 1-3 formations, which is your go to farm spot for fast grinding? ive heard that 12-2 and -4 are good spots

[undone plover]

it is first time shop UR gets rerun
we dont know if they will make it easier to grind her

[undone plover]

use 3:3 fleet
1:3 and 3:1 is dead since oil cap was added

12-1 is best for xp in ch12

[stuck dragon]

alr thanks. i spam 12-1 then

[undone plover]

use full fleet

[hoary relic]

what is better for yk meta, BB fleet, CV or hybird?

[rain bobcat]

good ships

[hoary relic]

wdym good ships

[rain bobcat]

you use good ships doesn't matter what they are

even if lion was a carrier you would still use lion

[hoary relic]

i guess i need alsace and 1 more meck gun to 1 shot yk meta

[stark quiver]

you need a lot more than that

[hoary relic]

well tech for sure

[stark quiver]

tech , +13s, the summoners for gimmick, and good ships

[hoary relic]

well i have +13 guns for my BBs already, grinding to +13 the last AFCT

[stark quiver]

i think people have found fleets with 1 +13 raffaello gun on soyuz and 4 +13 la9s on rumey and nakh more consistent than pure BB fleets

[hoary relic]

well they are the best for med i guess

i have no fritz and soyuz so ehh

vanguard is kinda too weak

her dmg is so little eh

[rain bobcat]

idk seems tighter

[stark quiver]

well yes shes a buffer for good ships

[rain bobcat]

if you have 1 la9 missing it turns from "probably 8/10 chance" to 1/10

[hoary relic]

ye but it isnt help at all cuz her buff cant fullfil her dmg

[stark quiver]

just have 4 +13 la9s

[rain bobcat]

it can

[hoary relic]

and my vanguards are kinda too weak, cant sustain the last salvo

[stark quiver]

💀

tbf i used this so uhh

[hoary relic]

dont blame me, i missed z52, laff2 banner

[hoary relic]

why mus gun

[sweet delta]

I think I had over 50% win with 2 la9, 2 bfg, no +13 ply gun for Momo, and a bunch of pvp gear on laffii

[hoary relic]

isnt that gun is hard to sync

[stark quiver]

there isnt a real sync in this fleet

[hoary relic]

[hoary relic]

did u 1 shot yk meta or

[stark quiver]

yeah

[hoary relic]

seems like i need to grind tech

[stark quiver]

but that doesnt mean you should use that fleet

[rain bobcat]

is that opsi mob lion loadout lmao

[stark quiver]

nah its a comp i was trying out
its cursed as it is

[hoary relic]

but it worked, didnt it?

[lyric bramble]

if there are knowledgeable people here, please tell me how to make the most efficient four fleets for the OS

[hoary relic]

[hoary relic]

make a thread so we can help u

[lyric bramble]

making OS fleets

[rapid yoke]

If laff2 rerun, when new ur?

[soft raft]

New URs are in Febuary, May, September, and December

Laffey II/Guam is a rerun so it doesnt take up a slot for new UR

[cobalt gate]

and we get 2 new ur for pr

wait why did we get 2 new collab this year?

[soft raft]

you mean last year
and the reason is who knows, tho one of them was a small scale one while the other was a regular full sized event

[late flame]

-# ask devs (and what dart board they are using to decide)

[cobalt gate]

we got 2 full size though? alteria and date alive

[soft raft]

Alteria?

Oh you mean Ryza rerun

who knows

[late flame]

-# also black rock shooter and hestia were from small size collabs iirc

[zenith heron]

||Rip them shiz, bummer ||

Also, when did the Proto Triple 203mm Gun (Hindenburger) got released on Protocore? so that I might be aware when La-9 will release?

[hoary relic]

hinden gun has been there for a while but no idea abt la9

who knows, maybe this year?

[zenith heron]

We hope its within the same timescape, unless they delay it again, planning to just have 2 copies of La-9s

[barren token]

I think it happened during the York2 rerun, so La9 in shop likely on 15th Jan

[hoary relic]

on laff2 rerun?

sweet gotta exchange for them

[zenith heron]

Well then we hope for the best, since we get Flasher, the 2 URs (Guam tho can be skippable) and another CB Gun

[hoary relic]

no idea should i even pull guam lol

[barren token]

why do people not like Guam?

[hoary relic]

aint CBs are niche?

[ocean terrace]

Guam seems like a very capable UR ship to me

[hollow gust]

Practically every CB got powercreeped by DDs

Why get a tank when DDs like Z52 is more then durable enough , have top tier dps and strong buffs

Not to mention they aren't even the tankiest ship most of the time

[ocean terrace]

yur but if you're a new player I think they definitely shouldn't be skipping any UR, unless they're really low on cubes

[stray crane]

guam is the mob agir

[hoary relic]

still no? i'd rather spend my bulin on laff2 instead of guam if im a new player

[ocean terrace]

guess you can wait another year for Guam then!

[hoary relic]

guam has little uses, not even worth spending bulins for or spending your cubes for unless u want to collect her

[stray crane]

i thought shes good in mob

[ocean terrace]

😭 Guam would be my best vanguard other than Laffey II if I got her

[hoary relic]

for w15 and w16? uh nope

[stray crane]

u dont have agir ?

[ocean terrace]

nope, I'm not prioritising her cos Guam is available

[hoary relic]

still recommend spending your bulins for laff2 and skip guam if u dont have 400 cubes

[ocean terrace]

where'd you get that from, check endgame tier list sheet

[stray crane]

i guess cuz agir is free

but i m just gona pull all URs so

[ocean terrace]

I agree, Laff II is higher prio, but Guam is still an amazing ship for a new player

[hollow gust]

[stray crane]

what shes not ?

[hoary relic]

eh no???? why would a new player waste 4 bulins for her?

[ocean terrace]

like I said, Laff II is higher priority for bulins, but it depends on your ships whether you use it on Guam or not

[brave canyon]

Really she’s skipable? Skipping a ur feels so bad even though I can sort of see it with a ur bullin shortage

[ocean terrace]

shouldn't skip to pull for her, a UR is a UR

[stray crane]

still better to have her in ur dock

[hoary relic]

your choice to pull her or not, she is just not strong compared to other vanguard UR ships

[hollow gust]

You can and should get her if it's within your means ,you just won't use her for a long ass time

[brave canyon]

Ye ok that’s what I thought

[strong tartan]

if it's limited just get it, you really won't know when you're in a situation where you'd prefer guam

[brave canyon]

I’m coming back to this game with a new account and we get swamped with URs now

[hollow gust]

You can check any of the w16 consistent clear fleets for Guam in mob

[stark quiver]

parrot lane

[ocean terrace]

yeah but I don't think new players are looking at W16 for a while anyway lol

[hoary relic]

all i see is 3 DDs...........

[soft raft]

I mean I used Guam for W15

[hollow gust]

Guam is a specialist for later game , you flatly don't need her early on

[hoary relic]

if then they should not spend 4 bulins for guam who has little use

[brave canyon]

I love guams art

[ocean terrace]

but she's not 'little use' for a new player

[hollow gust]

She is considering she is 4 Ur bulins

[brave canyon]

Milkers and gundams gyat

[hoary relic]

she is, due to bulin shortage

[compact current]

is she worth spending 400 cubes on when laff 2 is free and there's a new ur in feb?

[soft raft]

Assuming she's MLB, sure since it's hard to beat her early game
But otherwise no

[ocean terrace]

depends on your bulins and other UR ships

[brave canyon]

Not sure why she gets a Gundam didn’t know the us navy had one of those

[soft raft]

At the very least use the build tickets

[stray crane]

u get 2 UR bulins per month no?

[ocean terrace]

2.5 if you include cruise pass

[soft raft]

Assuming you grind the max 5k per month and buy the specialized core in the medal shop, yeah

[ocean terrace]

plus UR bulins from UR events

[hollow gust]

Guam flatly won't be in any sort of priority unless you really run out of ships to level

[stray crane]

and u get an extra laffey2 too

[brave canyon]

I’m massively short on cubes too

[hollow gust]

DDs rule

[ocean terrace]

that's fair, though if I were to start the game now, I feel like I'd be investing in Guam and Laffey II

[strong tartan]

well it's a rerun event i sure hope you're not spending too many cubes on it in general

[hoary relic]

techically i'd save bulin for new UR than spending for guam who has little use and less priority

[soft raft]

Then at the very least just use the build tickets
If you get her, cool
If you dont, that's fine

[hollow gust]

No you won't.....we literally have a UR event in February

[stark quiver]

i wouldnt even start the game in 2026

[ocean terrace]

yah you'll get 4 in Feb, 2 from spec cores, new cruise pass and another from UR event

[brave canyon]

Why not? It’s a good game

[hoary relic]

so many thing to grind if u start in 2026

[soft raft]

that was probably a joke

[late flame]

-# i wanna go back in time to get another goldburn

[hollow gust]

Laffey is 3.... the new UR is 90% chance to be more useful , so that's another 4

[strong tartan]

and who knows if we get another double ur event

we can never say for sure

[stray crane]

yeah dats gona be crazy

[ocean terrace]

current cruise pass, 2 from this month and 1 UR bulin from this event, it's doable + another UR bulin from new player event

[brave canyon]

AL art is unmatched

[hoary relic]

dawg i'd get fk up , my i404 still 0lb since haku banner

[stark quiver]

same

[brave canyon]

Little embarrassing playing in public with the wrong loading screen though

[hollow gust]

And that's 7 more for Lexy and Porter if you are new enough

[ocean terrace]

said if I started now (this month), ofc Lex II is higher prio than Guam

[stray crane]

i m lucky enough to pull 4 lex2

[hollow gust]

We have guams upgrade in PR too

[zenith heron]

Sorry for lack of Context, Yeah Guam is still solid since she is Formidable in W-15 and 16, just said this mistakenly for people that might have gotten Gouden Leeuw but won't be a good reason to skip if you don't have her

[hoary relic]

agir?

[hollow gust]

Spending bulins in Guam is just dumb

[strong tartan]

i thought gouden was a sidegrade

[brave canyon]

Laffey2>WDP>Guam?

[zenith heron]

Agir 💀

[strong tartan]

agir is not a better guam lol

[ocean terrace]

fair enough, she's not a top top tier vanguard, just seeing new players say she's not a good vanguard is funny to me

[hoary relic]

i dont use CBs so meh

[hollow gust]

If you are new enough you don't need Guam, if you are veteran enough you won't need Guam

[strong tartan]

if you are veteran enough you have a gouden

[zenith heron]

Gouden Leuuw, slightly less tanky and less AA in exchange for a bit more dmg

[slow fox]

-# til I'm not veteran

[hollow gust]

Midgame players should have gouden , she is priority 1 with Mecklenburg

[strong tartan]

thought it was a lot more dmg

[zenith heron]

||mb on that part ||

[stray crane]

so what just free ticket her ?

[hoary relic]

oh great, gotta pushing up getting prints for her, almost dev30 her

[hollow gust]

Just try and get her , save 100 for February UR

[ocean terrace]

think it's just slightly better Light damage for Gouden

[strong tartan]

oh

[hollow gust]

Gouden is a fuck ton more damage

Idk why you guys keep relying on single target damage calculations for campaign ships

[ocean terrace]

that's all the numbers I can see 😔

[barren quarry]

I want to use lex 2 in a fleet. shall I stick her on mob or boss

[stark quiver]

you dont need to look at end result numbers
look at skills, and raw stats, modifiers, efficiencies ane make your own inferences

[soft raft]

Do you even have her MLB yet?
If not, bench her

Otherwise, she works fine in either mob or boss

[barren quarry]

I do

[ocean terrace]

god I'll leave the math and calculations to the smart people

[zenith heron]

Specifically boss if Kear and Yorktown 2

But also solid in Mob, especially on further testing in World 16 like what a New UR should be

[barren quarry]

oooooooooooooooh ok

[upbeat fern]

What am I missing? Timing out because there's a sub left?

[stark quiver]

shes great in campaign boss/mob

[hollow gust]

Lexy isn't to favorable in mob considering how dominant CVls are , campaign boss she performs above par

[stray crane]

duke of york good ?

[soft raft]

Do yall think it's possible for me to D30 Gouden by the time PR9 comes out lol
Currently she's D15 because I've been sidetracked getting the russian cat to D30

[zenith heron]

Old

[hollow gust]

Her and Essex are quite popular w16 boss CVs for CN peps

[soft raft]

Ancient
She got powercrept hard by Vanguard

[stray crane]

okay

[stark quiver]

if you focus pr8 yes

[barren quarry]

I want to use kawakaze all the way until world 16

[hollow gust]

Every new UR BB has stronger buffs then her

[hollow gust]

I finished gouden in 2.5 months , get to work

[soft raft]

PR7 catchup should be soon too right

[stray crane]

any thing worth lvling here

[soft raft]

What getting a 9-5 mere weeks after PR8 came out does to a mf

[ocean terrace]

would PR7 catchup come out at the same time as DR5/PR6 coining

[zealous bough]

These face cards only help after you already built the ship?

[stray crane]

i m grindin agir dats why i have IB in my fleet

[soft raft]

that's a really weird cropping but yes, those BPs are used to get the ship to D30 and max enhance

[hollow gust]

I took a 3 week break in that time period for vacation

[stark quiver]

cowpen, indep, maybe enty, william porter, meck, sirius, kotori if you pvp,

[hollow gust]

9-5 is a excuse considering you can queue pretty damn long

[stray crane]

shoud i do this next or gouden

[cobalt rapids]

Both are useless

[stray crane]

then who should i do next?

[hoary relic]

is this ragebaiting

[cobalt rapids]

Ships u have at d30 or ships u can coin

[stray crane]

this ?

we cant coin 6 ?

[viscid swift]

no

[stray crane]

can we coin 5 ?

[viscid swift]

the PRs yes

[cobalt rapids]

If theres a coin icon near the bps u can coin

[ocean terrace]

could start on DR5/PR6 since they should come out soon right?

[stray crane]

damn i was planin on plymouth

[viscid swift]

you can tell if a ship is coinable if they have a small coin next to the little BP for each ship

[viscid swift]

without a month and a half yeah probably

[stray crane]

its gona take me a while to finish fdg FS

[stark quiver]

fs4 for pvp strats

[stray crane]

i should be able to get agir done so i can start dev her

[cobalt rapids]

If u have other rainbow bbs just skip fdg fs

[stray crane]

not really i have warspite and meck use prints

[cobalt rapids]

Rip

[stray crane]

i dont have much UR ship i started after the unzen event

[soft raft]

Get Musashi from perm pity

[stray crane]

i m 285 rn

[zenith heron]

but don't focus on getting that pity unless you have hit the threshold

keep on doing the 1 light pull per day

[zealous bough]

Should I do any of the war archive things as a noob

[ocean terrace]

Passionate Polaris if before W9 iirc

[soft raft]

Divergent chessboard for Iron Blood tech points
Passionate Polaris if you want easy acess to a stage with Oil cap prior to W9

everything else is collection

[stray crane]

how about the hvar ?

[soft raft]

Niche as hell

[zealous bough]

Which stages have oil cap I'm almost on 12 now

[soft raft]

W9 and above

[soft raft]

Rocket Fighters are almost exclusively used in Operation Siren due to the lack of interception capability

And HVAR is specialized in light armor, which is the most rare armor type to show up as a boss there

[stark quiver]

after getting imporant stuff from rest of WA
players have the choice of using their daily 4 tickets to farm hvar hellcats in d3

[ocean terrace]

you want like 5 HVARs ideally was it?

[stark quiver]

if you are a gameplay maxxer sure

[ocean terrace]

yeah if I had farmed more than I did, I might not be here today so

[stray crane]

i have 1 havr

[stark quiver]

damn bro

[ocean terrace]

won't matter for now anyway, don't need em

[cobalt rapids]

nothing wrong with doing 4 runs of hvar per day
wa will just take a long time to get 1 since its capped entries

[ocean terrace]

that's some nice gear for someone newer though

[stray crane]

and i dont really need wyvern, i think uni is better with breguet

[cobalt rapids]

no

[ocean terrace]

isn't the first thing you should craft in gear lab wyvern?

[stray crane]

yeah its the first thing i craft

[ocean terrace]

think you want 2 at some point

[stray crane]

i know dat UR aa is worth so i just grabbed the AA

[cobalt rapids]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/gear-lab

[ocean terrace]

pretty sure the AA gun is higher prio on vanguard ships, correct me if I'm wrong

[stray crane]

i m farmin exp so i just put everything on my carry

[cobalt rapids]

when u need aa dmg then its better on some vanguard ships
when aa doesnt matter then its better on ur main ships

[stray crane]

am i on the right path getin the 203 first ?

[cobalt rapids]

no

[stark quiver]

does this change with the recent additon of plygun

[cobalt rapids]

plygun has been there for years sir

[ocean terrace]

faerlein said they'll update it soon

[ocean terrace]

i think they meant in gear lab

[stray crane]

i guess i need 2 saiun kai

[forest palm]

I can't imagine 152 being craft-able changes the prioity as the 406/50, 457, and Tenrai are in GL

oh right the BFG as well

[cobalt rapids]

everything is in GL except flan gun hinden gun and la9

[stray crane]

if i have ju do i still need saiun kai ?

[forest palm]

it's all timing

[cobalt rapids]

yes u want all 3 conv tb ideally like 2 of each

[forest palm]

4

[stray crane]

so 2 saiun and 2 ju ?

[cobalt rapids]

2 saiun 2 juu and 2 ryuusei

[stray crane]

i see

[forest palm]

and 2 of the VIT-2 Mode Change from PR7

[cobalt rapids]

but ryuu can also drop from research projects so craft it last just follow the new player prios in GL guide

[forest palm]

feel like you end up with 1 or 2 Ryuusei if stay consistent with your Research

[cobalt rapids]

i believe thats the case

[forest palm]

whoops meant add within a month or two

[cloud panther]

use the ryusei kai eh

[zealous bough]

How's a noob suppose to get tech points lol

[cloud panther]

play the game

[zealous bough]

Do u need to level the factions ships or just get them

[cloud panther]

archive tickets spend em for unique dros

[cobalt rapids]

/fleettech

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Fleet tech points are used for unlocking Shipyard ships and leveling faction tech stats.
Fleet tech stats are also given by most ships when you collect a new ship or level a ship to 120 for the first time.

Q: How do I get more fleet technology points?

• You get fleet tech points by:
• Collecting the ship (~20%)
• Max Limit Breaking it (~45%)
• Achieving level 120 (~35%)

-Higher rarity ships gives more fleet tech pts .
-Heavier ship hulls also gives more fleet tech pts: CV=BB>CA>CL>DD

Side notes:
-PR ships give more fleet tech pts than normal but follow the above formula with development 30 replacing MLB.
-META ships are considered a separate META faction. They give same bonuses as their non-META versions.
-Collab ships, Muse and little versions of ships e.g. Li'l Sandy, Clevelad and Lena etc do not give any fleet tech pts.
-Iron Blood faction ships receive double the normal tech points compared to other nations.

For more information and exact amounts, consult the wiki
You can also use this Fleet Tech Tracker by mrlar

[zealous bough]

Thanks so max limit break everyone then 120 good ones

[cobalt rapids]

yes but u will be far from having the disposable income to mlb all gold ones so just mlb purples > blues ..
as needed
collection of permanent sources + mlb purple and below are usually alr enough to meet the shipyards thresholds

[zealous bough]

Ok thanks

Are there tips for leveling a Lv 1 ship to 70

[soft raft]

XP books, put them in dorm, and grind grind grind with them

[zealous bough]

Wasn't sure if there's a best map/route to grind them on or something

[soft raft]

12-4/12-1 > Anywhere W9+ > Passionate Polaris SP5 > The highest stage you can comftorably grind (If not if W9)

[zealous bough]

Thanks

[trim depot]

shld I still get independence?

[simple nacelle]

Thanks for the advice

[undone plover]

maybe it is worth a discussion
where to put La9 in the prio
idt the prio will change for the rest just where to put La9
the rest can just shift down

[simple nacelle]

I have these ships, and it is my Helena.

[undone plover]

yeah just replace laffey with helena for boss fleet

also musashi needs more level ofc
Ideally u get her to 120-125 then put her in boss

[brave rover]

Fellas what’s the strat for ch 14

[undone plover]

hard or easy?

[simple nacelle]

Ohhh okay, thanks. I dont really know how difference a mob ship or boss ship.

[brave rover]

Normal

[simple nacelle]

Im already leveling up Musashi.

[brave rover]

Is one with lots of planes?

[cloud panther]

How can I get to green?

[undone plover]

if unicorn is preset = mob fleet = fight all enemies except boss
if unicorn not preset = boss fleet = fight only boss

[undone plover]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief

[brave rover]

Ty

[undone plover]

there is not a lot of planes but u still want decent AA
if u get revealed rip

[undone plover]

was this ch16?
i havent cleared yet but ppl did mention sth about 3 CV for boss fleet

[simple nacelle]

I know that, sorry i try to say difference between ship for boss fleet and ship for mob fleet. Example: How can i know if Roon is for moob or boss fleet?

[undone plover]

u learn overtime or u just ask
roon really doesnt have anything to make her mob or boss
some ships have skills that favor mob or boss

[cloud panther]

16-4. pretty much ran out of 13 planes to gear everyone as it is

need more coins to upgrade

[undone plover]

i cant rly advice since I have not cleared but either wait for someone who cleared or search the discord for ch16 discussion
i am sure it was mentioned somewhere ppl recommending triple CV

maybe read a bit after this msg chain #gameplay-help message

[simple nacelle]

And how to know when the ship need to be the flagship, i am using this tierlist rn https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/bb

But are so many guides and list of best equip and ships.

[undone plover]

we also have suchi tierlist that has information on ship capabilities
but mostly end game performance https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[simple nacelle]

This show a lot of different ship combinations, i cant clear all with only one combination?

[undone plover]

ectl is good with the flagship icon but idk how they update these days
they were a bit slow a while back
otherwise read the skills and see if it mentions anything about flagship

In campaign mostly we use 1 BB flag 2 CV
some ships have barrages that want flagship
that one is hard to know unless u datamine the barrage or look at the screen when barrage happens
just ask if not sure

[placid loom]

the tier list shows the performance of ships depending on their context, (eg, whether they are good in mob of boss of w14 or w15)

[undone plover]

u can clear easily up to ch13 with almost any composition (as long as u have unicorn)
after ch14 it becomes a bit harder
if u reach there just come back and ask for help
for now your boss is fine
your mob vanguard is not very good but u said u are farming IJN xp so i didnt change it

[simple nacelle]

Thanks for all the help

[lyric bramble]

can you send a link for fleet builder please?

that will include all new girls

[soft raft]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[lyric bramble]

[simple nacelle]

With the next rerun, is better upgrade Laffey II, Guam or Z52?

I only have enough proto for max limit break one UR

[soft raft]

Z52 > Laffey II > Guam
Tho after you MLB Z52 just save to see what we'll get in Febuary

[trim depot]

how do u determine what armour type they have

[simple nacelle]

Maybe can get better ships than Lafey II and Guam?

[soft raft]

Mostly by looking at the wiki
Hermit is Heavy
Temperance is Light
and Strength is Medium

[trim depot]

is there no way to tell ingame?

ill go check online ig

[soft raft]

there should be if you turn off fleet lock before going to fight them

since that way you can acess the pre-fight prep screen instead of being thrown straight into combat

[trim depot]

omg

thank u so much

[simple nacelle]

With scan option can see it too?

[soft raft]

iirc I dont think so

[trim depot]

ok i might be too weak for this boss

[vapid valve]

How do I beat this thing

[forest palm]

there's a device on the map, a very obvious one that you have to destroy that removes the hazard tiles surrounding the objective

[light trail]

is there any real reason to keep my mlb common ships

[forest palm]

I forget if any C rarity have good 120 tech...but typically, no, you don't need to keep them around

[light trail]

wonderful bc im sick of these lol

[zealous bough]

Z52 was from an older event? Or they come out too

[blissful berry]

how can I make these fleets better for 13-3 and so on

[ivory sigil]

type /sirenstats

/sirenstats i should work like this

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178745695335895070/1350450049947013242/METAstats15.3.25.jpg

[rain bobcat]

smh meta boss 1 year behind

[soft raft]

Fritz Rumey event
Which was the Dec slot UR for 2024

[simple nacelle]

Older event

[zealous bough]

This little nug doesn't give tech points for getting her MLB right?

[soft raft]

Correct
It's mentioned in the sidenotes of that bot command from earlier as well

[zealous bough]

Thanks she didn't have Lil in her name so wasn't sure

[simple nacelle]

Yeah, but all younger version of ships dont give tech points

Few of them dont have Lil in her names

[keen owl]

Is Fire extinguisher Needed in 16?

[cloud panther]

if u run musashi mob I'd take one just in case

also backline washing machine is a thing

[simple nacelle]

Why washing machine for Improved Hydraulic Rudder?

[soft raft]

EVA stat

[cloud panther]

and the rng proc

[soft raft]

Backliners like CA/CB dont really have much EVA and in content where they can randomly have basically 90% of their HP melted in seconds, Washing Machine can come in clutch

[simple nacelle]

Why do you say washing machine instead Improved Hydraulic Rudder?

Is my real question, sorry for my bad english

[rain bobcat]

because it looks like one

[cloud panther]

u might not have seen essex inside gif

[simple nacelle]

In my country the washing machines dont see like that

[soft raft]

There's a Essex version of that? lmfao

[soft raft]

The way the steering wheel is designed could be approximated to look like the door to a washing machine that's why

[rain bobcat]

jimmy's reasoning is quite close to what I wanted to do

why let shitty raffaello fleet do BB nodes out of ammo

when you can have musashi boss fleet do it with ammo especially when the boss fights are too easy

[blissful berry]

Is there anyone I can @ to help with this

[rapid shard]

You need ships with better AA

[soft raft]

The main thing is you are horrendously lacking anti-air in both fleets

Also we cant really help you rebuild your fleet when you post nothing except for what you're currently using, post your dock in a thread if you want help

Also I cant tell which fleet is supposed to be the mob and boss, and that's a very bad sign when usually with proper fleetbuilding you never need to resort to using a healer in the boss fleet

[keen owl]

Im using this team and i have no idea what im doing

[blissful berry]

ah :0 my dock is 700+ should i only post Elites SR AND URs? once i make the thread, i dont wanna spam

[keen owl]

Is 404 better on middle?

[soft raft]

At least the URs and SRs
There's very few elites that are good (including Elite -> SR retrofits)

[rapid shard]

Drop pers off the boss fleet and slot in a ship like shimanto Sandy Gouden(if dev30) laffey2 Gaum etc that are AA carries would be a decent start

[rain bobcat]

sandy is pretty poverty

there's atleast 7 ships I would use over her in ch16

[keen owl]

So Guam is better than Sandy?

[rain bobcat]

any of eldridge laffey shimanto willy gouden z52 would be of more help than sandy

anyway you can go watch jimmy or something for fleets or watch back images sent here in this channel to figure stuff out

[keen owl]

For Mob fleet?

[rain bobcat]

explaining 10 paragraphs considering ur fleets are basically a 2/10 for ch16 rn would take too long so just go watch a video

https://youtu.be/0R7LuC67asE?si=O3dpI2oC7My39-9I

[cloud panther]

ur red too

[keen owl]

Yeah do i need Full CV fleet?

[cloud panther]

wait this is 1-2 not 3-4

[keen owl]

2

[blissful berry]

how can I make these fleets better for

[cloud panther]

when I get to 3 all the planes distribution go bonkers

[keen owl]

Can Traf survive boss fight?

Or Should i just Put Anchorage or Portland Kai

[rain bobcat]

just watch the video I sent

[sullen dew]

For Dunkerque, what would be some good main guns for proccing her unique augment's skill?

[rain bobcat]

unless you're one of those people who say "im gonna beat the hardest stage where one of my characters is a purple and non replaceable because wife" just copy paste homework and ur fine

[cloud forge]

Anyone familiar with Project Identity well?

I have these options, but 2 aren't listed here... I assume Can-Do Attitude is Dexterity?

[sullen dew]

homework??

[cloud forge]

Disregard, clicking Confirm asks if you want Dexterity lol

[soft raft]

Twin 457 > PR7 BB Gun > Purple IJN Twin 410 >= FdG gun (AKA more expensive IJN Twin 410)

[ivory sigil]

#1204845559790440488

[keen owl]

Plus Formation or Double Line? On 16

[stark quiver]

i used double
ehp is more needed than aa mostly

[cloud panther]

I'm running 120 traf so ur should work too

even on 16-4 I'm doing double line btw

[whole crypt]

16-1 and 2 isn't that punishing
16-4 has headroom on safe

[rapid summit]

Can someone explain how much the damage modifier increase is?

[viscid swift]

Roughly 18% from +10 to +13

[rapid summit]

Oooooo

[cloud panther]

felt 16-3 harder than 16-4

[verbal thistle]

I'm having some issues with both my fleets in 15-4 and I thought I'd ask for some help.

1. Musashi's getting absolutely clubbed in every fight. 25%+ per battle. I think it's not enough AA.
2. Second fleet just doesn't seem to have enough damage to kill the first boss. They're getting hammered hard but the guide says to try to lose < 25% hp. I'm probably trolling by having a Lv. 120 Perseus..

I'm also running out of flapjacks, which doesn't help. Any advice is appreciated.

I don't have Aquila, but I do have Cowpens that I'm trying to MLB and get to 125. Maybe I should pause 15-4 until she's ready, together with Perseus @ 125.

[onyx flame]

questionable AA on the vanguard

[little tree]

[verbal thistle]

Well, I have.. 4 of the one UR AA gear in fleet 2. I have two Sextuples too.

[keen owl]

Who to put on those CV slots?

[verbal thistle]

Should I just upgrade all the Bofors to Sextuples?

[keen owl]

Do i put whatever

[keen owl]

Or Do i need coordinated ones?

[soft raft]

Aquila would be better at keeping Musashi alive than Volga
Aquila has targetted heal while Volga's is more RNG

The way Aquila's heal works also fits better with Musashi than Volga since Aquila uses the target ship's HP while Volga uses her own HP

[verbal thistle]

I don't have Aquila, unfortunately. Cowpens is in the process of being leveled and MLB.

[keen owl]

I dont essex Retrofit

[light trail]

fleetbuilding help would be appreciated #1459492871055998986

[trail dagger]

that's a lot of UR

[wind hazel]

you need to use less staag, and use good AA guns for w15

[onyx flame]

give the ur aa to guam, laff2, sandy and shimanto

[verbal thistle]

Alright, so 4 UR guns to Guam Laff2, Sandy and Shimanto. The others will use sextuples, I guess?

[wind hazel]

your setup is to use musashi fleet to fight first and third boss

no sextuple on guam, and shimanto. the rest gets UR gun or twin90

use flapjack on your surface fleet

you dont have any tenrai? for volga

and remove black shell, use UR table

[verbal thistle]

I have 2 Tenrai's. When you say surface fleet. Do you mean the support CVs?

[wind hazel]

your main fleets

[verbal thistle]

Ah, okay.

[keen owl]

So i can just Put and Fighter or something?

[keen owl]

Is Messersmith good?

[crisp wraith]

Yeah but the best one (FW-190) is pretty easy to get.

[wind hazel]

not enough wyvern=any 45AVI tb

[keen owl]

Are those Lab Fighters?

[wind hazel]

yes, under ironblood

[keen owl]

I dont have Essex kai cause didnt do that Minigame

[wind hazel]

hwah jah

[slim comet]

Whos winning popularity poll in chan/little category in JP?

[wind hazel]

i am

[keen owl]

Is LA-9 Fighter bad for intercept?

[late flame]

hmm Lil Mori

[wind hazel]

yes it has no auto intercept capability

[keen owl]

Yikes

[slim comet]

serious question-

[crisp wraith]

It's true I voted for Mori.

[wind hazel]

ask your serious question in #al-general

[crisp wraith]

Uh I don't think we actually know but yeah it's an #al-general question.

[slim comet]

woops

sorry i dint read the channel name

[trail dagger]

Is it fine to use agir starting on dev 25. i wanna replace my roon so bad (boss fight)

[onyx flame]

if sandy and shimanto in the same fleet who gets the sextuple or do i just put em on both

[wind hazel]

sandy

[trail dagger]

thank yu

[verbal thistle]

So, something like this?

[wind hazel]

yes give it a try

[verbal thistle]

Okay, thank you very much

Hmm, Musashi's still getting her ass handed to her lol. Is it worth switching Sandy into mob?

[wind hazel]

idk consult the guide maker

[verbal thistle]

Will do, thanks

[whole crypt]

what's this for

[rain bobcat]

when did zuihou release again

was it 2023 late or 2024 early

[whole crypt]

wasn't it in the pre-event before Unzen or something

[rain bobcat]

my alt doesn't have her

[verbal thistle]

In regards to what I said about Musashi?

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Whence_Flowers_Bear_No_Fruit

I was off by a year

[rain bobcat]

oh mid 24

[whole crypt]

it was the pre-event before Amagi

[rain bobcat]

before amagi huh

[verbal thistle]

@whole crypt This, and W15-4

[rain bobcat]

looks fine

maybe illus is too fast

[whole crypt]

what were getting handed by, planes?

[rain bobcat]

try +6 or lower ryuusei

wait thats +0. make others faster by upgrading their TB

[verbal thistle]

Sorry, should clarify. They're all +10. Not sure why the lineup I was looking at before used +0.

[verbal thistle]

Yup. Even in the first boss fight and all mob fights.

[whole crypt]

oh you're doing that mob fleet does 1+3 boss thing?

[verbal thistle]

I'm not sure what I'm trying to do atm. I wasn't confident in Musashi doing the boss fight so I'm trying to have my boss fleet do all three but even they're getting clapped after the first

Indep and Pers are literally almost dead after the first boss. 5% hp.

[whole crypt]

try doing 1st boss with Musashi's fleet instead

[verbal thistle]

Okay.

[whole crypt]

the second fleet should be for 2nd boss only

[whole crypt]

the different templates are meant for different engagements, if you are reading off stig's ch15 guide you'll notice there's a graph regarding how different fleet strengths are needed for how you engage the 3 boss nodes

[wind hazel]

😭 just ignored

[verbal thistle]

I didn't ignore you! I knew that was what I had to do

But I didn't feel they were capable of doing it orz

[late flame]

-# only one way to find out

[verbal thistle]

True

If this doesn't work out, is it worth replacing Volga with Cowpens?

[crisp wraith]

How leveled is your Cowpens rn?

[verbal thistle]

Like 70 lmao

[crisp wraith]

I would use Cowpens but well it's not like you can rn lmao.

[whole crypt]

like I said, the different fleet setups are meant to engage the boss in different ways, that second fleet cannot handle 1st and 3rd boss fight

[verbal thistle]

Ah.. Alright. I'm about to try to fight the first boss with Musashi. So I'll let you know how it goes

Nvm, I'll just wait for Cowpens. Volga's not cutting it.

[true kraken]

what is next UR?

[whole crypt]

no Aquila?

[whole crypt]

Guam rerun next week

[true kraken]

How good is she on scale 1-10

[whole crypt]

8-9

[true kraken]

what about laffe II

[wind hazel]

10

[soft raft]

nop he dont

[true kraken]

So Laffey II > Z52?

[wind hazel]

no

[true kraken]

how come

[whole crypt]

because there's no direct power comparison between the two, they don't serve the same roles

[soft raft]

ngl a 1-10 scale doesnt really work when there's way more than 10 URs

Also tfw many URs within a hulltype also do different things

[true kraken]

aren't their role is DD

[whole crypt]

DD is a hull class, not a function

[soft raft]

Also tfw many URs within a hulltype also do different things

[whole crypt]

just like we have DPS CAs and tank CAs who serve completely different roles

and Unicorn and Independence are both CVLs but do different things

[true kraken]

Oh

[crisp wraith]

Some of them might even do the same thing but fits into different fleet comp/boss.

[wind hazel]

oh yeah? like?

[whole crypt]

how does the fog thing work in battle anyway I have to reset the boss fight sometimes because it's taking too long

[grim flax]

can you post the gear setup for this?

[crisp wraith]

I was thinking like Shinano and YorkII both are big damage UR CV but you would use them in different comp.

Ok now that I think about it it'd be because they have different self-buff and gear setup so they do different things nvm

[whole crypt]

would Laffey II do better in terms of not going overtime

[verbal thistle]

So, turns out W15-4 is a lot easier if you kill the 2nd Special Aviation fleet.. >_>

[whole crypt]

uhhhh yes?

you're supposed to kill both supercarrier nodes first

[verbal thistle]

I didn't notice the second one.

Which would explain why I was getting blasted by planes, ngl.

[slow fox]

Who didn't ping me for Yukikaze augment

[shadow yarrow]

Does the "damage reduction" part of the threat level still work in world 16?

[keen owl]

The top one right?

[sick kettle]

out of those 3 which do i pick

[keen owl]

Q 010 MI if you want to get the weap faster

[stark quiver]

wdym

[wind hazel]

this thing. it works

[shadow yarrow]

As in bringing threat down to safe for the damage reduction from enemies

[whole crypt]

yes it works, danger level is independent of clearing mode

[trim depot]

should I still buy independence or save my cores

[wind hazel]

buy after you have 2 UR table+3 white shells

[trim depot]

White shells first before tables right

[wind hazel]

table first

[trim depot]

oh alr

[whole crypt]

considering Independence is still relevant all the way up to ch16 why not, priority wise may not be that high though if you need to gear BBs first

[trim depot]

I don’t have great options for bbs e

[whole crypt]

you'll get there just give it time

[rain bobcat]

all this time the sheet wasn't augmented????

[trim depot]

only Nelson or West Virginia but im pretty sure she’s only good for 2 or more bb formations

[rain bobcat]

I knew something was up when augmented ykkz is less than 110%

[stark quiver]

lets skin mebot alive for that

[glossy granite]

When guam returns wont getting those 2 laffey copies be a pain in the ass 😭