gameplay-help

[mortal loom]

Azur Lane Fleet Tools RE

[grim flax]

do you need subs

[mortal loom]

No

[rapid shard]

Curious on the Shimakaze pick. Any reason her specifically?

[whole crypt]

you practically don't need to use subs at all outside of OOA mob fights

[grim flax]

cross fleet barrage

[cobalt rapids]

and ofc my boss fleet had to take 1 3*bb node because there was no way my mob fleet did 2 of those ooa

[mortal loom]

She has the 30s cross fleet, which is a very good timing

[gilded carbon]

Can i Post some of my Meowciffers here for Evaluation?

[whole crypt]

since you don't need to do anything OOA for farming you practically don't need to launch subs at all

[rapid summit]

Okk Ty

[mortal loom]

This is a slightly exaggerated take, but most 20s cross fleet are trash if your other fleet has a existing back line

[rapid shard]

Im using her right now lol just curious cause normally shes never really reccomened now due to new ships being so much better

[undone plover]

she is specifically used for her x fleet here

[mortal loom]

Because she’s not good in a fleet, but her cross fleet is good

[red sapphire]

Is it safe to spend gold torp plates to +13 quad mags? Or is there anything better?

[mortal loom]

More or less yes, the only thing that is definitively better is the Kai but you only get 2 of them from events. So spend on 2-3 of them is totally reasonable, also overall torp gold plate is not in shortage

[onyx flame]

only thing better than quad mags is improved quad mags

[red sapphire]

Yeah and improved is from an event right? What's the mentioned Kai?

[grim flax]

oh right I forgot you only need to kill 4 mobs minimum for 16-4 so you never have to fight the boss while out of ammo

[gilded carbon]

The only two that currently Show some promise. Yes, the SS-one has a faction-skill. But its fior IB-SS so i Hope it is useful for Wolfpack-Fleets

[mortal loom]

I meant improved. I don’t play on EN client so expect confusing wording

[red sapphire]

Alright, no problem. Thanks both

[grim flax]

I always killed 5 mobs to blow up the airfields in the corner

[rapid shard]

Kai =improved/retro for AL

[cobalt rapids]

not worth rerolling

[gilded carbon]

So? Food or keep?

[grim flax]

I never bothered with cats
I just use the pirate cats

[cobalt rapids]

keep unless u got something better

[gilded carbon]

Cats are so much "content" of their own, its crazy XD. Aside from the Pirate-Cats of course

[cobalt rapids]

coin sink for ppl who care about ded game modes

[red sapphire]

Are pirate cats enought? For example can Drake fulfill the cat role on the BB boss fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

pirate cats are very good

[onyx flame]

the pirate cats for bb are basically like 9~9.5 points cats

[grim flax]

still waiting for the second Hedgehog to become available

[red sapphire]

Wow okay, I'll buy Drake asap

[undone plover]

Her name is eldridge

[cobalt rapids]

i thought her name is lion

[gilded carbon]

Yeah. Well, sorry for bothering to bring this here with Ch. 16 going on.

[undone plover]

Lion is hedgehog pro max

[gilded carbon]

Cats are weird ^^` maybe i should not bother too much

[late flame]

tbh i forget to run cats almost all the time, outside of opsi

[onyx flame]

as long as you got 2 high lvl sr ones for opsi its good enuf tbh

[eternal fiber]

I honestly forget cats are a thing

[cobalt rapids]

the rules say that u can ask questions during any discussion so i dont see why ure sorry ( unless u were ironic )
i simply ment at the high end of the spectrum chasing perfect cats requires spending millions of coins and rly only rewards gamemodes that are rly personal challenges type of thing like EX lb, CM speed runs, arbi speed runs and campaign 3* lethals
otherwise getting some cats or decent cats is alr more than enough for most content

[late flame]

such wall much text

[cobalt rapids]

mb chief, ill put it in chat gpt summary nxt time

[undone plover]

Nekogpt

[late flame]

ask grok

[eternal fiber]

AkashiGPT

[mortal loom]

Hey @grok is this true

[crimson glacier]

its kinda impressive that cowpens is getting mvps at lvl 115

[elder spindle]

Guys help. Out of 12 or so tries only 4 was successful. Sometimes even second 3*bb just shreds raf. Don't have maxed skills on Porter yet. Is she essential for this comp?

[gilded carbon]

i didnt intend on any irony, no. I was setting up my farm- and level-fleet for 12-4 and noticed that i hadnt used any cats for a while outside of opSi. So i asked, but then remembered that 16 had dropped and that this may have been unwisely timed. Aka me overthinking

[mortal loom]

I think you need another healer, preferably Aquila

[eternal fiber]

also it looks like Raffello isn't the flagship?

[muted wind]

1. what's the AVI on that fleet? the boss can spawn after 4 nodes if it's high enough on both your fleets
2. try putting a rudder on raffaello if she doesn't already have one

[elder spindle]

she died and cowpens flag

[muted wind]

considering they seem to have lost, probably just moved because she sank

[eternal fiber]

ah

[undone plover]

dw about it you can always do threads if u dont want to derail a topic
but that is not even a rule afaik so feel free to ask stuff whenever u want

[eternal fiber]

my bad

[elder spindle]

where can i check total avi? Boss always spawned after 5 mob

[muted wind]

check the fleet formation menu, it's at the top there

[mortal loom]

In the top bar in the screen you form your fleet

[muted wind]

... labeled "AV" there for some reason

[late flame]

en moment

[elder spindle]

4650 i guess

[mortal loom]

Uhhh you’re definitely looking at something else

[muted wind]

that... sounds like ACV? left of that

either way, both fleets need at least 1701 AVI, then the boss spawns after 4 nodes

[muted wind]

1654

[mortal loom]

It’s the AV sir, 1654

[elder spindle]

oh just 50 more lol

[muted wind]

either cats with more CVL AVI or upgrade your catapults

[fleet jacinth]

Wait, so hedgehog equipment right now is one or there is more?

[muted wind]

just one. eldridge and hammann II however have an equivalent built-in weapon

[eternal fiber]

Help with Chapter 14 and Beyond

[red sapphire]

One question about fighting submarines. If I equip Hedgehog (for example) to a ship, it's only the equipment with the ASW stat what deals with the submarines unless ship skills say otherwise or every ship have something for submarines?

[plain saffron]

all DD and CL except mainz comes with basic depth charges iirc

[prime kayak]

where can i farm xp and affection for sub efficiently?

[red sapphire]

Okay, thank you

[eternal fiber]

12-4 should work well while giving you a lot of coins if you're at that point

[summer patio]

When is the next gacha coming...?

[plain saffron]

rerun event on 15th, new event no news yet

[prime kayak]

okay

[summer patio]

Ughh.... That's on Thursday... Do I actually have to learn physics and biology and actually do school stuff until then...? Guess I got nothing to do...

[quick mason]

Is Anchorage at Fate Sim 3 good enough for w13+?

[plain saffron]

there's other gacha games

[onyx flame]

iirc 12-1 might be better cause the map is smaller so the subs covers more without moving

[summer patio]

Yeah but on the others I gotta plan out every pull... I can't just randomly pull for dopamine...

[mortal loom]

It’s good for W13, maybe W14 but suboptimal. Anything beyond that I would not recommend a heavy cruiser (Unless she’s Gouden)

The torpedo damage is too much

[jaunty vault]

Anchorage is good beyond w14

[quick mason]

Okey Im just looking at the tierlist trying to figure out what fleets I can run going forward

[prime kayak]

i will try this

[crimson glacier]

damn somehow mananged to get cowpens killed in the first battle of 16-4

hows that even possible

[jaunty vault]

crazy

[eternal fiber]

damn, RIP

[whole crypt]

one set of shell can already take out more than half her HP, it's pretty much just RNG and keeping an eye out for resets

[white hare]

man you guys are at 16-4 but I'm still struggling on 15-3 lol

[crimson glacier]

atleast its cheap to reset after first fight

[quick mason]

Do I want 2 CVs and 1 BB in mob for world 13+? Or is 2 BBs 1 CV also doable?

[grim flax]

DD mob fleet?

she probably got rammed by suicide boats and subs

[crimson glacier]

its triple DD

and i farm it just fine

[grim flax]

no I mean the mob you were fighting against

[white hare]

if you're having trouble with survivability, 2 cvs is good like unicorn and aquila

[wind hazel]

w13 you want at least 2cv, if not full cv for mob

[crimson glacier]

isnt the first battle of 16-4 always 2 star bb fleet

[whole crypt]

as far as I can tell 16-4 is pretty much just reset the fight the moment you see a main fleet ship take more than 10%

for 3-starring that is

[crimson glacier]

i wont bother with 3 stars before i get the drop ship

[grim flax]

on lethal I'd just manual the first few rounds to airstrike their volleys away

[whole crypt]

manual kind of defeats the purpose of a lethal 3 star

clearing is fairly consistent if you're not doing out of ammo

[crimson glacier]

its so weird how the boss spawns so fast in w16

also its not like i did that many tests, but what it looks like is that lvl 115 cowpens performs a lot better than 125 uni in 16-4

maybe i should read her skills

[whole crypt]

cowpens heals lowest HP by 8% of Cowpens HP and launches a bit faster

[hollow gust]

Unicorn powercreep has been brewing for a while

[eternal fiber]

Unicorn deserves a holiday xD

[forest palm]

they could give Percy a UE that removes the penality

[plain saffron]

Finally I don't need to keep her affinity at 100

[turbid marsh]

lord raff

[whole crypt]

resetting 10 times for every fight

[forest palm]

I'm just gonna wait till they add auto to 16...

[turbid marsh]

better 3 star it now before they fix the airport bug

[forest palm]

eh...

[eternal fiber]

airport bug?

[turbid marsh]

airport don't send out certain planes

[eternal fiber]

Huh, so that's two bugs so far. That and the hard mode bug

[boreal wagon]

hard mode shouldve been fixed last patch

[eternal fiber]

oh? I haven't tested it yet. hopefully it is fixed though

[turbid marsh]

have to push at least 3 star clear as im at work XD

[wind hazel]

gonna wait for lv130

[forest palm]

this is the way

[turbid marsh]

i guess we do have enough arrays for that

[plain saffron]

that's what i thought when w15 released, now i want to do w16 then i realized i didn't even do w15

[whole crypt]

so I spent 300 T2 books and cogged like 5 ships for this but I'm not going to lethal 3-star 16-4

[turbid marsh]

i mean 16-4 is just 4 mob battles or something, so might as well green and not suffer or rng that XD

[wind hazel]

it's just a minor bug anyway, you can bomb the base to get the same thing

[whole crypt]

you have to endure a few fights with the planes to get there though

[wind hazel]

do you feel good abusing bug to 3*?

[plain saffron]

[turbid marsh]

i feel more powerful than ever

[agile lichen]

any guides for hard 14 and/or 16 yet?

[wind hazel]

just have to answer to yourself

[wind hazel]

some examples on pinned message for 14H, 16 still wip

there's nuke guide, the fleet loadout i can't vouch

[brave canyon]

So NJ is probably a lot better than Shinano for a new account right now because of the current events all giving Freedom ships right?

What would priority be between NJ, upcoming Guam and lex 2 if WDP is already maxed?

[wind hazel]

shinano is better actually

[brave canyon]

Really 🤔

[wind hazel]

yes really

[turbid marsh]

upcoming lex2?

[brave canyon]

No I have lex 2 but she’s already built

[whole crypt]

this is still suffering red BB nodes with no ammo

[wind hazel]

depends on your account, but usually lexii>laffey2>wait for new UR

how many UR bulin do you have?

[boreal wagon]

you mean a nuke guide for nukes that make no difference?

[wind hazel]

maybe red ACV, thus need the nuke

[turbid marsh]

lex2 pretty strong everywhere XD

[boreal wagon]

i think if u dont have AS or up you have other issues

[signal mantle]

is 16-4 bugged after the small update (70mb)? I dont remember having to face 4 wakatsuki with 116k hp each, and they keep spawning every wave

[wind hazel]

not false

[rain bobcat]

NJ does not specialise in the same category as lexii and she's very mediocre by 2026 standard

while shinano and musashi have good use cases

[boreal wagon]

nothing shouldve changed about 16-4

but node difficulty and node type for some nodes can change between clears

[brave canyon]

1 and a Lexi dupe

Happy to keep shinano in the envelope for now and pull her later

[whole crypt]

there is no case where a pity NJ will be better than a pity Musashi besides if you already have a maxed Musashi

[wind hazel]

get enough UR bulin and mlb your lexii.

but why is your WDP mlb before your lexii

[turbid marsh]

musashi still shines in w16 so....

[steel dome]

Question: Is Lexi II 3★ stronger than Enterprise 6★?

[wind hazel]

no

[rain bobcat]

I wouldn't say shine

[brave canyon]

I just yeeted it early on in my account without referencing anything 😂

Also have a bunch of carriers and no other really good vanguards maxed

[rain bobcat]

I haven't seen anyone use musashi and lethal full clear 16-4

[turbid marsh]

oh that's raff's responsibility

[whole crypt]

is it too much to ask for a version of this fight where Cowpens doesn't die

[rain bobcat]

musashi is definitely the poverty option in 16, not a cheat code like 14,15

[wind hazel]

better ask next time, main fleet takes priority most of the time

[whole crypt]

yeh but we're not really discussing poverty for 16 are we

[rain bobcat]

ill leave that dilemma for future me when clearing mode is out

[wind hazel]

eh, CN bros use musashi and it looks fine

poverty is someone like soyuz alsace, i havent seen anyone use them for w16 at all

[whole crypt]

Musashi still works with her raw damage I guess

[wind hazel]

ye and still tanky

🫃🏼 tho i had really terrible experience with her in 14H, ironically

[turbid marsh]

yeah probably the only option if no raff

[hollow gust]

I used Lion for W14H

[whole crypt]

I'll give this one more reset and I'm just clearing this bullshit...

[turbid marsh]

oh my lord lion sama burning the subs

[rain bobcat]

she kind of just dies in 14H

[wind hazel]

is 16-4 harder than 16-3 if just clear? or easier

[signal mantle]

I knew about this, but this wakatsuki thingy isnt normal at all, isnt it? the other enemy shipgirls are 20k-ish and even command ships are just around 80k hp 💀

[rain bobcat]

doesn't 16-4 need less mobs

[whole crypt]

yeh screw this Cowpens just loses 60% HP in 2 seconds

[turbid marsh]

should be easier. musashi really just a push over

[wind hazel]

i think so, i havent tried it, no oil

cleared 16-3, it's harder than i thought

[turbid marsh]

oh my god porter sama

[wind hazel]

really can't spare the sub oil for 3*

[rain bobcat]

doing the cow zui raff?

[strange sphinx]

yes it is too much

[whole crypt]

Raf/Cow/Aqu

[rain bobcat]

I've seen someone use lion but not sure how that fairs

[whole crypt]

the 0 ammo fight is just bs

[whole crypt]

didn't work for me either

[rain bobcat]

even on 2 star node only?

[whole crypt]

3 star

[rain bobcat]

or are you just forced to take 3 star

[whole crypt]

yes

[rain bobcat]

[whole crypt]

even with subs

[turbid marsh]

and manual too i guess eh?

[rain bobcat]

manual is kind of annoying

[wind hazel]

it's full auto

[rain bobcat]

id rather reset for auto 100 times than clear it manual

[whole crypt]

if it was manual I wouldn't be pulling my hair out

[turbid marsh]

gotta do what you gotta do eh?

[wind hazel]

ngl it's kinda silly to reset many times, but manual is no go

[rain bobcat]

feb UR will powercreep trust

[whole crypt]

why manual clear if I can just safe 3-star it
manual 3-starring just doesn't cut it

[turbid marsh]

had to manual 14-4 hm boss because i forgot to put gears in one of the backline 🙁

[wind hazel]

manual enjoyers are chad

[whole crypt]

manual is just so much easier

[turbid marsh]

i hate doing manual, its been like what, 2 years? only did it in 15-3 lethal 3 star mob.

[wind hazel]

it's not if you are clueless, thus meaning if you manual and succeed, it means you know the game inside out 🧠

[rain bobcat]

manual is very easy with the amount of leverage you have with doing backline strikes

[brave canyon]

Alright I might as well ask what I should focus on right now. Currently focusing on lex2 and warspite, as well as leveling and Jav and Eugen for my tanks.
Next 125 is WDP

[onyx flame]

[turbid marsh]

i see that you favor cowpens over aquila

[boreal wagon]

i dont remember i didnt pay too close attention to it all given how trivial it was in the end but i can positively affirm you that nothing changed about the maps

so if it is a bug it was a bug before the patch as well

[brave canyon]

I just started leveling her before I pulled Aquila

[turbid marsh]

oh, then dont really need to level quila until later then. i wouldn't suggest doing warspite at this stage, think that nelson retro should be sufficient enough but thats just my opinion.

[onyx flame]

ngl nelson would prob be a better choice than warspite

[brave canyon]

Really? Interesting, why is that?

[wind hazel]

cheaper

[brave canyon]

Nelson’s that good?

[wind hazel]

she's decent enough

[mortal loom]

Sub timings? You need to call them in late late

[wind hazel]

warspite needs retrofit to be considered good, but it's expensive, and often not worth it

[onyx flame]

not only retro but unique aug too

[wind hazel]

nelson needs retrofit too, but it's much cheaper

[brave canyon]

Ok

[turbid marsh]

i dont think you have THAT many spare gold bulins to obtain

[brave canyon]

I have like 10 atm

[wind hazel]

use them on other ship

[brave canyon]

No 5

[wind hazel]

drop your warspite, perseus for now

what are you using actually. why are uni impero so high lv, but eugen lv99. what were you using before this

[brave canyon]

Impero and uni were super early pulls

I grinded hard first few days before free eugen

[wind hazel]

where are you in campaign?

[brave canyon]

Just finishing 10-4

[wind hazel]

can you open a thread and post every ship in your dock? dont filter them

[brave canyon]

I clear cl5 in OS super easy

[wind hazel]

or you can filter them, but only main fleet vs vanguard

[stone sluice]

Does 16-3 boss have suicide boats and kagerou production?

[brave canyon]

Full dock

[mortal loom]

Not to the level I would concern about it

16-3 and -4 boss are both like 3CV is very fine

[whole crypt]

I've tried calling anywhere from 2:40 to 2:20

[cobalt rapids]

i call them at battle start

[whole crypt]

whatever it is, it just wasn't cutting it for me

[mortal loom]

Yeah about that, also you need to use a long range torp on top, 95kai or g7e Kai with the pressure hull

[cobalt rapids]

what fleet

[whole crypt]

I'm using 404+2fish, 404 with 95k and fishes with g7e hull

[cobalt rapids]

i use t his

[mortal loom]

You can try Musashi but Musashi has its own problems imo, it has less aoe and doesn’t heal the submarines which somewhat has issue in terms of your sustainability

[zealous bough]

should i use medals of honor on the requisition pulls? I want sandy

[mortal loom]

But idk, your back line really shouldn’t die that fast

[cobalt rapids]

never do requsition

[whole crypt]

honestly every BB has a different problem with this stage, it's just how lucky you get with not getting revealed/hit/burn

[cobalt rapids]

i didnt try musashi past 16-2

[whole crypt]

I even tried swapping white shell, extinguisher and rudder

[onyx flame]

just wait, you eventually get a cl in the medal shop or she might pop up from your 1 light pull a day

[cobalt rapids]

well its an rng fest with leaks + how early u get revealed
i reset runs where my cvs got early revealed
3 dd vang also meant zoomies and it was kinda sucky for aa

actually i ran shimanto but it was still zoomy

[whole crypt]

yes and I'm done with resetting when a single fight takes me 20 resets and still not get there

at that point you're just RNGing until you full clear

[cobalt rapids]

well thats extreme

i basically full cleared with no resets except the last 3 nodes with no sub and no ammo where i reset like 3-5 times each node

which was mainly for lion burn to catch onto subs

[whole crypt]

I spent 15 minutes resetting a red BB for 16-3 on recording, I managed to 3-star that one but I'm really done with 16-4 at this point

the red BB fights pretty much always drags till the top BB refuses to die and just nukes Cowpens at around 90-100s in

[cobalt rapids]

i mean red bb ooa is like giga pain
ure better off letting ur boss fleet handle it with subs

did u have +13 ur torp planes ?

[whole crypt]

+13 breguet on Cowpens, Aquila is on +10

[long pulsar]

For support air fleet what matters? Level and equipment I assume but not skills?

[cobalt rapids]

hmm i see
i was using +13 wyv and + 13 spear fish
and +13 flap on cow

[whole crypt]

Cowpens has +13 flap, Aquila has +13 Corsair and +10 Tiger

[cobalt rapids]

why tiger lol

did u also ran 2x mountain 2x flame cats ?

[whole crypt]

I could swap for another flap but doubt it'll improve significantly

[cobalt rapids]

i mean significantly no
but stuff adds up

[whole crypt]

1 mountain 1 flame, don't have that sort of luck with cats

but the fact you have to stack the odds this much says a lot

[cobalt rapids]

[whole crypt]

so yeh I'm done resetting this god forsaken piece of crap and I'm just going to safe it and grind my 2273

[cobalt rapids]

best of luck

[cobalt rapids]

level, equipment, stats(avi/rld), fighter slot efficiency and number of planes
ch15 guide has a section on it

[fleet jacinth]

I need better equipments for these girls, please
Context: end game contents

[whole crypt]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/

[whole crypt]

it probably doesn't even take very much more, maybe just 1 or 2 danger levels of damage reduction could already tip it

[cobalt rapids]

ye probably but i was wishing u luck for 2273

[whole crypt]

well the 2273 part is just smacking it with oil

[wind hazel]

are these just gold cat with mountain+flame and random talents?

[cobalt rapids]

jiro and oscar ( preemptive strike ) flame mountain destiny bb officer and cv officer

[whole crypt]

does the entire bottom base need to be in view before you can nuke it or does just revealing the side do it

[wind hazel]

need to start opening elite catbox again then

[whole crypt]

I guess I could start working on an Oscar for flame at some point, they quite readily spawn with mountain

[cobalt rapids]

the exact tile needs to be revealed ( they are both 1 tile )
but idk i never tried ( i didnt even think about nuking the bottom 2 with 1 airstrike )
not like it would change anything rn

[whole crypt]

true

[cobalt rapids]

considering jiro can only start with destiny i dont advise it

[whole crypt]

you'll have more luck doing it with anything that starts with flame really

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[whole crypt]

(or in Oscar's case mountain)

[wind hazel]

ye im looking through cats now lol

[cobalt rapids]

oscar can start with both flame and mountain

[wind hazel]

i'll take any cat with flame or mountain

how do you guys get so lucky with cats...

[cobalt rapids]

2x flame mountain is alr peak campaign catmaxxing

[onyx flame]

you guys have seen cats with flame?

[cobalt rapids]

lucky

[wind hazel]

i've been buying 15 cats daily, sometimes get 0 gold box, but most of the time they come with shit starting talents

[whole crypt]

I've seen a lot of mountain oscars but not a single flame lol

[cobalt rapids]

i mean ive also been doing that for the past years

[wind hazel]

bring me back to the past

[whole crypt]

yeh I know just saying it never spawned for me

[turbid marsh]

underestimated potter, jesus

[long pulsar]

Where can I find the guide?

[uneven barn]

Who to LB? I have 3 bulins now.

[onyx flame]

is that all your ur

[uneven barn]

Nah ones can be LB and all of them except Guam, Laffey 2, Soyuz, Alsace and Mogador. All of them are MLB and have all DR ships too

[ocean terrace]

so you're getting every UR with this year's reruns then?

[uneven barn]

Yes, if I've enough cubes

[onyx flame]

i would prob save the bulins for laff2 if you plan to push campaign

[uneven barn]

Oh okay is she still meta relevant? Thought Trafalgar, Porter, Eldridge power crept her

[onyx flame]

she's still very good for campaign, the other 3 are a better for bosses thou

[turbid marsh]

those 3 don't fill her role though,,, closest thing is golden lieu and z52 tbh, if you don't want flag protection.

well if you aint doing w16, chances are you probably don't need her anyways. though laf2 is preferred in yorktown meta

[uneven barn]

I know. iirc Laffey 2 is known for invisibility in the battle. But these 3 are the converstion of meta nowadays. Too bad I forgot Z52, I still use her in my fleet

[uneven barn]

Great. but what about others? my plan was Porter>Amagi2>Raffaello>Lex2>I404. Rest are in the perma pool so I don't use UR bulins

[rapid tusk]

How do I know what talent to upgrade for the cats? I just got Oscar recently and wondering which talent to use?

[gusty arrow]

Can't clear 15-4

Need help

The fleet I'm using

[onyx flame]

i wouldnt worry about on the talents so early on but just do /cats in #bot-spam and you can see the reco talents. but for new player just get 2 sr cats up to lvl 20+ for opsi catnodes

[whole crypt]

looks like gear issue

[turbid marsh]

mob or the 3 boss? cause this looks like gear issue more than ship issue

[gray sphinx]

Depends on where you’re putting these ships and for what purpose. Outside of campaign? Sure you aren’t using laff2 too much but inside campaign you’re still using laff2 possibly even use laff2 in OPSI as well but that’s not really difficult content.

[gray sphinx]

I would not be prioritizing porter that high up ngl 💀

[onyx flame]

porter has been doing good stuff esp for campaign apparently for w16 player

[uneven barn]

I like Porter's Voicelines tbh (personal preference😅 ). But what's your suggestion?

[cloud panther]

lol I'm going in and out of 16-2 until I oneshot the sub

having 2 of the rainbow homing helps

[wary skiff]

Iirc laf2 is also meta for PvP still 🤷

[gusty arrow]

Also I don't have enough pancake fighter so I'm using hellcat

[gray sphinx]

She’s ight. I’m not sure how she’s really fairing in w16 but she’s the reason why we went from “URs are always good” to “gacha URs are always good”

[turbid marsh]

that looks like hvac hellcat rather than the normal hellcat. i would use pirate or normal hellcat

[uneven barn]

Yeah I had avoid many PVP matchup because there is Laffey 2 and Eldridge in same team

[gusty arrow]

Ok

[eternal fiber]

damn, maybe I should max limit break her soon then

[gray sphinx]

If I were in your shoes amagi2 > I-404 > lex2 save bulins. You can think about mlb porter if you ever have an abundance of bulins later down the road

[turbid marsh]

but w15 do prefer more on things like aquila zuihou cowpens.

[gusty arrow]

Only Aquila is built rn

[little tree]

I have better success with aqullia

[gusty arrow]

Zuihou skill not leveled up and cowpens at lv1 ,also I don't have no more coins and exp books

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1365698877260304394.gif?quality=lossless&name=doroclown1&size=48

[turbid marsh]

i would say go for aquila

[uneven barn]

I-404? I have no clue with sub gameplay? Is she powerful to priortize MLB her?

[gusty arrow]

Instead of Volga or unicorn?

[turbid marsh]

volg. can i assume you are doing boss 1 and 3 with your mob fleet?

[little tree]

Drop volga for aqulia

Make sure aqulia has the right planes for heal mode

[gusty arrow]

K

[gray sphinx]

She’s the first UR sub we ever got and she has a cross fleet so you wanna use her when you can. You can argue lex2 first over I-404 but unless w16 changes anything there’s no relevant anti light boss in the game to make full use of lex2

[gusty arrow]

?

[gray sphinx]

Plus there’s nothing else of note in your box to mlb so amagi2 > I-404 > lex2

[uneven barn]

Oh Thanks man. That clears up a lot

[long pulsar]

Any general 16-3 guides up anywhere yet?

[little tree]

Thags the right config

[velvet slate]

save your bulins for laffey II

with the 3 bulins u can have her max lmb given you can get 2 copies of her from farming

And she's only 1 week away

[uneven barn]

Yeah. That's the conclusion I reached too. Thanks for your input

[turbid marsh]

looks good to me, probably want the purple recon, but looks good to me. probably consider manual options if still stuck.

[little tree]

15-4 is anyone else having issues with airstrike not working ?

[stark quiver]

are you using them on the boss

nvm, no its just you for now, restart game

[little tree]

It did not work should I try repair ?

[plain saffron]

main campaign kinda bugged rn

[wild fjord]

i JUST barely beat chapter 14, but i am very bad at this game and the guide i was using doesnt tell me what ships/gear are good for chapter 15, does anyone have a guide that DOES tell me what ships i need?

[turbid dawn]

Does anyone have a guide how to 100% 16-3+4? I can clear them but the damn BB nodes once I get out of ammo kill my backline way too easily

[inland shoal]

100% or 3star?

[turbid marsh]

3 star lethal?

[turbid dawn]

3* lethal yeah, I managed 14h so idk why I'm struggling so much with these 2

It's basically the same thing with more AA it seems

But the Kagerous take out my backline even when unrevealed from 60% hp

[hollow gust]

Just scroll up and copy the orca dude

[onyx flame]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/

[turbid dawn]

I tried doing so, Im missing one agel feather, and I don't have Porter levelled yet so just using Eld, but I don't think those 2 things should be making it so difficult

[hollow gust]

Porter and Eld do very very different things

[wild fjord]

thank u!!

[turbid marsh]

i am pretty sure porter has flag protect

[turbid dawn]

It's never Flag they shoot though, it's always the bottom spot it seems

[gusty arrow]

@turbid marsh @little tree did it

Also got extremely lucky

[tulip tinsel]

is there any BB in guild shop with good tech

[zealous bough]

What makes warspite expensive

[turbid marsh]

very good to see!

[little tree]

Very nice!

[onyx flame]

20 gold prints and 50k coins

[zealous bough]

Gold battle ship prints ?

[onyx flame]

this doesnt include the other 20k coins you need for her aug

[zealous bough]

What else would u use the gold battle ship prints for

[tulip tinsel]

expensive for mediocre results

[onyx flame]

shipyard

[knotty jolt]

the expensive part is the bulins and the 2k cores for her retrofit item

[turbid marsh]

i mean if you are 4 years old + player then this is like nothing XD its only expensive/not worth for newer players in my opnion

[little tree]

Warspite is mediocre at best

[fluid brook]

You wont even use it if your >4 years old

[zealous bough]

I'm newer only have monarch as my battleship

[stone sluice]

w16 out of ammo battles are insane

[onyx flame]

giulio has +1 hit, maryland and colorado has +1 fp, penny got +1 rld

[tulip tinsel]

thanks

[stark quiver]

i have warspite oathed and 125

[amber hawk]

should i buy another willem for 2nd fleet? idk if she is powerful enough since the debuff to main ship. the 200 version already mlb

[knotty jolt]

Monarch will serve consistently imo without needing to spend an arm and a leg for warspite

[turbid marsh]

this game doesn't require clones.

[tulip tinsel]

buy willy d copy

[knotty jolt]

do you even have enough currency to buy enough vouchers for second copy?

[tulip tinsel]

41k is enough for like 270

[stark quiver]

if you did math yes

[knotty jolt]

i just did it now im lazy

[tulip tinsel]

don't build another willy d use copy to limit break

[wind hazel]

the 200 version already mlb

[onyx flame]

[amber hawk]

200 version already mlb, im thinking to build another kekw

[wind hazel]

up to you

[knotty jolt]

fleet power gaming lets go

[stark quiver]

mori how many lex 2s do you have

[wind hazel]

1

[turbid marsh]

i built the 0lb one for fleet power ❤️

[hollow gust]

Better then NJ

[stark quiver]

i shouldve gotten two, one for pvp one for pve

[wind hazel]

the only copies i keep are rangers

:ranger:

[little tree]

I put nj is the same category too expensive to use.

[amber hawk]

then im gonna go for her, i dont know if its useful or not lmao

[wind hazel]

it's not

[stark quiver]

lol noob not 125/200 ranger

[little tree]

~~ one day Mori will have that ranger rng airstrike that crashes the game ~~

[wind hazel]

my ranger isn't for rank chasing

[little tree]

[tulip tinsel]

[unique stratus]

Does anyone have general tips for W16? I've seen so many people survive battles unscratched, how is that possible? You lose so much health if literally anything hits your fleet.

[wind hazel]

i wanna know too

[stark quiver]

i wanna know

[tulip tinsel]

kill the enemy before it can hit you

[turbid marsh]

this one bilibilier used 2 aquilas

[stark quiver]

i knew i shouldve kept that 2nd one

[little tree]

I kept one just in case time to raise

[unique stratus]

Is it really just know exactly when waves spawn and burst everything instantly?

[stark quiver]

also, raff and zuihou is better for your w15 fleet pretty sure

[stark quiver]

no, they just have good healers

[little tree]

I cleared 15

[stark quiver]

if you kill everything instantly, you are hacking

[tulip tinsel]

w16 is like 30h old there are no guides yet afaik

[cloud panther]

Dont you need to beat w15 to get zuihou

Musashi bug so gotta be quick

[little tree]

Im on to 16 but my boss fleet needs a lot of work for 16 3

[stark quiver]

run a healer in boss

[little tree]

What is bugged on .ushai

[unique stratus]

I don't even get to boss, one 3 star BB fleet is impossible to kill

[stark quiver]

her gun doesnt fire

[cloud panther]

So mob BB kills us way faster lol

[stark quiver]

what fleet u use
and are you using subs

[little tree]

Ohh mine works fine atm

[cloud panther]

U don't want that

[stark quiver]

enemy musashi on 16-4 boss

[little tree]

Ohh

Time to pull mail oil and start 16 then

[turbid marsh]

yes. they exist for this purpose. i pulled 9k too XD

[unique stratus]

Yeah I use subs and support fleets obviously. But it doesnt matter which ships I use, one BB shell makes Unicorn lose 90% of her HP, if my vanguard takes a couple hits its down to at least half HP. I had the same Issue in W15 but I just ran tripple CV backlines and cancelled out all BB shells, but if I do that the suicide boats on W16 go through

[stark quiver]

it matters what you use because it shouldnt be happening

[unique stratus]

Basically all UR except Unicorn, 13+ gear as well for the most part

[stark quiver]

what is the fleet tho

[wind hazel]

just show it

[stark quiver]

raffaello, cowpen, zuihou
z52, william d porter, eld
works for people

or did they use lion instead of raff idk

[unique stratus]

Okay I'am not using any of those lol

[stark quiver]

💀

[wind hazel]

yeah might be better to JUST SHOW THE DAMN FLEET yhea

[turbid marsh]

what are those...

[wind hazel]

only unicorn, guam and laffey2 get a pass lol

[turbid marsh]

at least i know why you are a bit struggling XD

[unique stratus]

Well i'am, sorry that I didnt quite get the concept of "You have to use these very specific ~6 ships or else you cant beat W16"

Seems like a poor design choice on their part again

[wind hazel]

it's not. but we needed to know what you were using and not just "UR+unicorn"

not all UR are equal

[turbid marsh]

so you want to beat the level with the ship you prefer eh?

[wind hazel]

not to mention your fleet 1 literally have very very abysmal AA

[unique stratus]

Kinda yes, I don't mind swapping out some but it really feels awful if only very specific newer ships are doable for this

well Fleet 1 would be the boss fleet anyway, but I dont even get to that

[wind hazel]

it would sink even if you get to boss

for starter, you can use better support fleet than shinano and yk2. put your nakhimov and impla in, or fritz/hwah jah/chen hai/illustrious, whichever you have

[stark quiver]

you got this mori

[turbid marsh]

mori im rooting for u ❤️

[wind hazel]

bye

[stark quiver]

its an issue of good content requires good ships

[turbid marsh]

sadly powercreep is the fate of most gacha games.

[unique stratus]

Man I just want the new ship without playing literally the hardest game I ever played in my life

[turbid marsh]

hey, you got this. you manage to pull through 16-1 and 2 with those.

[unique stratus]

Also is it only possible to airstrike the enemy bases when they're uncovered, right? How important is it to airstrike them or better safe for hitting fleets?

[stark quiver]

important

[wind hazel]

currently it's bugged, if you have air supremacy you dont even have to nuke it

[turbid marsh]

also w16 doesn't require new ships tbh, most of them are like a year old + anyways

[unique stratus]

Interesting, tell me more

[wind hazel]

but yes if as intended, you need to uncover it from fog, then strike them

otherwise the base will send 80strong rocket planes against you

[stark quiver]

did you clear 16-4 yet moriforest

[wind hazel]

just imagine the super CV from w15, it's same, but different, but same

[wind hazel]

not yet i ran out of oil, went back farming coin cause i suddenly only had 10k coin lmao

[stark quiver]

i still have 12k oil

[wind hazel]

im down to 6k

[stark quiver]

but i ran out of morale 🔥

[wind hazel]

im just gona wait to raise wdp before trying. 16-3 already kinda cancer with 3* bb recon

[turbid marsh]

yall fast. im still at 16-3 clearing to 100%

[stark quiver]

im at 54% 16-4

[unique stratus]

I still need help with BB fleets though. I can clear escort fleets and CV fleets without much issue, but as soon as a BB fleet comes up I lose my entire fleet to it. It seems they shoot way faster and everything oneshots the backline

[turbid marsh]

consider building aquila and zuihou, they very fast

[stark quiver]

you dont have a secondary healer
have you considered using this fleet

[cobalt rapids]

i have not considered it

[stark quiver]

you should

[cobalt rapids]

how good does zuihou survive against 3* bb in 16-4

[stark quiver]

she survives and i get S rank sometimes

but my fleet is also unoptimized

this is a good mob

[unique stratus]

Seriously, how is a healer gonna help if 3 BB's spawn and when one of the shots go through your backline instadies?

[cobalt rapids]

where cow

[patent pivot]

this is what i used for 3* 16-4

[stark quiver]

you dont have continous backline healing
i know you dont go from 100% to 0% hp
so youre basically just letting the enemy pick hp off your backline until they die

[whole crypt]

my conclusion to lethal 3-star 16-4 is it's just too much RNG if you're teetering on the threshold

[cobalt rapids]

on lethal ?

[patent pivot]

it wouldve worked on lethal, mob was at aboive 90% all and boss was above 60% iirc

bottom does 3* BB and boss

[clear harbor]

Do CVL's benefit from the extra accuracy from STAAGs?

[patent pivot]

wont claim its optimal but it does work and i didnt want to use ships from last event

[cobalt rapids]

every ship benefits from extra accuracy

[whole crypt]

I've pretty much had it with resetting in 16-4

[little tree]

Is the new UR dd worth investing in over Guam ?

[whole crypt]

Depends™ but I lean towards a yes

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I'm just unsure of what to do once I hit here, even with both AA bases destroyed the BB fleet now 1 shots the backline and it feels so bad

[cobalt rapids]

aa bases dont do anything rn

[whole crypt]

*if you have AS+

[stark quiver]

keep resetting

[cobalt rapids]

they have as+

[little tree]

How much anti sub do I need in 16-1?

[turbid dawn]

Is that why it still looks like W15 with the amount of planes every fight still? Because yeah I just cant clear all the planes they send

[whole crypt]

just bring 14-4 levels of ASW

[cobalt rapids]

no its easier
if the bases worked ud have an extra 80 planes

[whole crypt]

no it is not
if the bases were working you'd see another 80 planes

(assuming the deactivation of bases with AS+ wasn't intended)

[stark quiver]

will noobs in the future have it rougher

[cobalt rapids]

also do this to reach the boss in 4 ammo

[stark quiver]

working aa bases and musashi firing 😭

[whole crypt]

to be fair given that it only works on AS+ it is possible that this is intended, but we don't know

[little tree]

~~ my fleets are struggling already ~~

[whole crypt]

welcome to new endgame

[little tree]

I guess it's need teiple.cv now for as+

[stark quiver]

this is a better visual

[whole crypt]

but I have to agree with what the others have said, when it just comes to clearing this is significantly easier than 14-4 and 15-4 on launch

[cobalt rapids]

no ooa fights opop

[little tree]

All maps only have 1 boss fight now correct ?

[stark quiver]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[whole crypt]

yes

[unique stratus]

Please tell me that 16-4 is easier than 16-3

[stark quiver]

imo yes

[cobalt rapids]

for clearing they are about the same

[whole crypt]

depends on what you're getting caught by but same ballpark

[stark quiver]

the bosses are equally easy

[turbid dawn]

Yeah the clearing isn't an issue, the 100%-ing is what I'm sturggling with so much

Once you get OOA it just falls apart

[cobalt rapids]

bring it to safe

[whole crypt]

a reminder you don't need to lethal 3-star

[cobalt rapids]

if u wanna flex then enjoy the pain

[turbid dawn]

True but I feel like I should be able to

[stark quiver]

i too feel as if i should be able to

[cobalt rapids]

i too

[turbid dawn]

I feel like if I swapped out Eld for Porter too wouldn't the Vang kinda fall over?

I've had it on times were Eld dies in the first node clear to idk what

[cobalt rapids]

it wouldnt

she can die to beeg dmg torps or to beeg dmg rams or to pewpews

[turbid dawn]

Yeah okay it's the torps, just watched it hapopen where she lost 2/3 of her hp to a line of 4 torps damn

[zealous bough]

Who are some good subs as a noob

[cobalt rapids]

how noob are u
noob noobs dont raise subs

[neon finch]

w13 mob fleet

[zealous bough]

I have these right now

[cobalt rapids]

what chapter in campaign are u at

u can raise subs if u are at ch12+ and u finished building surface fleets for opsi
if ure at ch 12 u should mlb a purple sub like i58 and do the lv65 raid for bidder mats

[zealous bough]

10 but have not cleared in a while was grinding event

Doing chapters now

[cobalt rapids]

just focus on pushing to ch12 then

[knotty jolt]

If I were to +13 a sub torp would type95 or g7ek be better?

Note: I only have one g7ek atm

[cobalt rapids]

95k is better against slow bosses and/or far bosses

[knotty jolt]

This is for when I push into ch16

Currently farming for Houston 2

[neon finch]

what are some gear change I should make⬜

[cobalt rapids]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[neon finch]

Think this is for general use? also should I use AA radar over survival gears for the front row?

[knotty jolt]

AA radar is scam

[cobalt rapids]

its for general use
check the vang aux section but no

[turbid dawn]

Stupid question but for the support fleet in 16-3/4 does it matter what level they are or is it just what MLB they are and the planes?

[cobalt rapids]

level matters

[turbid dawn]

That might help with the AA situation then haha, does it make much difference for 120-125 then?

[cobalt rapids]

so does their avi and rld and fighter slot eff and fighter slot # of planes

[knotty jolt]

From what I remember of the things that take account aviation stat, gear, gear efficiency

I remember mori saying AA doesn't matter

On the support ships I mean for interception

[cobalt rapids]

aa doesnt matter because fighter plane guns scale off avi

[zinc coral]

It's Essexover

First time i failed to get a shipgirl

Next rerun in 2030 i guess

[neon finch]

2 years I think instead of 4

[zinc coral]

I got William D. Porter rerun before GTA 6

There is no more solutions to get ur voucher, right?

[tulip tinsel]

not anymore

[zinc coral]

[light trail]

can you explain this a bit more pls? i'm not sure why that makes AA meaningless

[cobalt rapids]

because the only thing the support fleet sends are fighter planes that are only allowed to shoot their aa guns and not drop ordnance
so the only thing u care about is the dmg of the guns on the fighter planes
and if they scale with avi then the aa of the support carrier does not matter

[keen owl]

Wait foe GTA6 Rerun

[light trail]

oh is that statement only w/r to the support fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[light trail]

okok sick, i missed that part

[sharp grove]

hey guys, may i ask
is there any tip to fight w16?

and any recommended fleet?

[knotty jolt]

Whatever fleets you used for ch15 and 14 use that

[light trail]

how good is zuihou vs cowpens vs unicorn vs aquila for w16

or rather, which one(s) would be best to use from those healer options

[knotty jolt]

Unicorn is self explanatory but has the problem of no reliable main fleet heal as it's only once per battle

Cowpens and aquila are essentially similar to each other and zuihou idk if she'd be usable her cause of the aforementioned ships

[sharp grove]

are the planes as scary as w15? i would assuming the sub would be like w14 but on steroid, but idk about the planes

[turbid marsh]

In my opinion Aquila + zuihou functions better than Aquila + cowpens

[light trail]

how big is the difference

[turbid marsh]

Probably luck but z52 died in 16-3 with cowpens, then again my zuihou is oathed, cowpens isn’t

[light trail]

neither oathed for me

[cobalt rapids]

16-1 and 16-2 is like ch14 on steroids but not ch 14hm
16-3 and 16-4 is like ch15 part 2 except now theres bb spam and no cv pairs

and yes planes are very scary in the latter part

[hollow gust]

i flatly dont see the point of additional healing , especially when one of the best choices is raffey

[cobalt rapids]

theres no additional healing when zuihou deals half the dmg of the cow

[knotty jolt]

I should start using raff more, I'm assuming similar gear to others? Twin 457mm?

[cobalt rapids]

and standard bb gear

[stone sluice]

I still can’t deal with the out of ammo battles. Did you play all of them on double line formation?

[mortal loom]

Yes

[turbid marsh]

thats why i had to manual, im missing a plane on aquila mob ver.... fk me

[wary skiff]

What gun should I be getting for musashi? I pulled her recently and don’t have her rainbow gun from her event

[tulip tinsel]

mlb?

[mortal loom]

What for? There’s a few good ones in gear lab

[knotty jolt]

Her rainbow is not ideal ironically enough

The basic ijn twin 410 purple is good enough

[wary skiff]

I read she has a weird gun choice, what’s her preferred

[knotty jolt]

Tho the crafted one in gear lab is better

[knotty jolt]

It's just ijn main gun

[sharp grove]

I see

[wary skiff]

Top?

[sharp grove]

Are the subs that scary to use asw planes?

[knotty jolt]

No the purple one before the triple

[sharp grove]

Or hedgedogs and dds would be enough

[knotty jolt]

Twin 410mm Kai is the one you want

[mortal loom]

The 410kai is good, the Daisen gun from research is also good if you have one

[wary skiff]

Ohhh the crafted purple is best from gearlab, ty

[clear harbor]

For players with 6 dorm slots, do they generally keep their mob fleet in dorm? Or is there any reason why I'd want to rotate to keep everyone topped up to 150 morale?

[quaint tapir]

more or less just throw mob fleet in 2nd floor and forget about it until parts of the mob fleet get swapped out unless i'm running a 1-1 for an event that contains ships not in my 12-4 mob fleet

[little tree]

Ch 16 advice

[clear harbor]

First floor would be used for leveling then? Right now I'm using to level my lowest level mob ships.

[tulip tinsel]

I put ships with 119 morale before i go to sleep so they get to 150

[clear harbor]

Oh, to clarify, I only have 6 slots total (3 bottom, 3 top)

[quaint tapir]

if you have the full dorm yeah, my first floor just has whatever ships under lv100 i want to get up to 100

[onyx flame]

all 6 is for your mob fleet

[stark quiver]

keep 1 mob fleet in dorm
thats it
dont need to rotate

[quaint tapir]

you can also use the 1st floor for a second fleet worth of morale regen if you don't care abt the xp, but it's less efficient than the 2nd floor

[onyx flame]

you want them to be above 120 morale cause 20% exp boost, and your mob fleet tends to be your grinding fleet so why wouldnt you want it to be more efficient

if your not grinding thou you can swap out the first floor to something to passively gain exp

[turbid marsh]

hmmm lethal 16-3 is indeed bit annoying XD

[clear harbor]

Oh okay. That's good to know. I should swap out some of my mob for my boss fleet. I'm leveling some of my boss ships.

In theory anyway. My setup has some EXP loss anyway. What's a little more?

[stark quiver]

just farm the mob
passive regen will save the boss fleet

[broken kayak]

oil efficiency is the biggest scam in the game

there's no need to try to be oil efficient

[quaint tapir]

laughs in farming 5 hvars from the most recent event

[broken kayak]

even then

[stark quiver]

you noobs have it easy
a 3 week event

[clear harbor]

Honestly, irl time-efficiency is kind of more imporant to me.

[knotty jolt]

imagine having a life outside of the grind

[onyx flame]

yea then you want to make use of that 20% exp boost so whatever your trying to level put em into your mob fleet and put em into the dorm

[ivory sigil]

I forgot what is efficientway to farm exp for ship in 12-1/12-4

[onyx flame]

12-1 is better for exp/oil

[quaint tapir]

don't run exp capped ships, that's it really

[little tree]

12 4 is for coins

[knotty jolt]

One fleet does the fighting the other has cross fleet barrages and buffs

[onyx flame]

12-4 is also ever so slightly harder compared to 12-1 so shitter struggle a bit more

[knotty jolt]

The cross fleets will do most damage allowing ships way below enemy level to clear

[inland shoal]

12-4 is kinda nice for 1 fleeting now with ammo pickup

[knotty jolt]

Praise be the ammo pickup

[onyx flame]

dont got enough crossfleet to think about that 😔

[ivory sigil]

Yea, the strategy im using is
Mobfleet is having 6 ship, lvl 100 ideally + healer
Bossfleet with 3 strongest lv120 but handicap 3 slot,
-2 slot mainfleet and 1 middle slot of vanguard to put farmable ship

The problem is idk where to farm if my ship were lv70 which might too low for 12-1 right?

[onyx flame]

depends how many lvl 70 you have and how bad they are

[knotty jolt]

Could likely pull through with unicorn but hey

[median prism]

Between hakohou, enterprise and lexington II, which is the best for general purpose

[shadow yarrow]

I dont have cowpens because reasons, who is the next best healer for 16-3/4?

[knotty jolt]

Aquila or zuihou take your pick

[knotty jolt]

Id say haku

[median prism]

Hmm ok

[ivory sigil]

Perhaps lets example 2 mainfleet slot and healer flag?

I dont trust lv70 vanguard in 12-1 unless she is guam or laffey2

[onyx flame]

idk bout level 70 but i have brought lvl 80 ones thou if you got a healer it becomes easier just cause

[zealous bough]

T5 packs can't give rainbow gear right

[onyx flame]

it only guarantee gold

[whole crypt]

it only guarantee crane

[red sapphire]

Is there a way to get SR bulins other than Merit/Medal/Weekly/Campaign clears? I want to grind

[tulip tinsel]

afaik no

[knotty jolt]

there are one time purchase bundles that have them in them but why would you buy them

[stark quiver]

for the bulin

[knotty jolt]

[red sapphire]

I see... But I was looking for the free part

[tulip tinsel]

too expensive smh

[red sapphire]

Mere curiosity, does ch16 clears reward with gems?

[tulip tinsel]

probably

should be the standard 250(50 50 50 100)

[red sapphire]

Make sense. Well, some day

Thanks

[ivory sigil]

I see i will think about adding unicorn along cowpens for duo healer if i ever wanna try bring lv70-80 character to 12-4

[cloud panther]

Can Maury or Glow Kai beat 16-34?

[desert epoch]

Where to get Retrofit mat for Essex? The item I mean.

[cobalt gate]

need to wait for rerun, currently unobtainable

[desert epoch]

Sadge

[cobalt gate]

man i wish they tone down the amout of enemy torpedo

[turbid marsh]

thats why they want bear cat XD faster planes to get rid of em

[cobalt gate]

basically need elderidge for anything it feels like

[little tree]

Subs + more torpedo and bb enemies was evil to do in w16

[cobalt gate]

i always feel like enemy torpedo + bad ai is whats worst

welp died to final jiwoakajgop'aeogkpfpolb

torpedo killed everyone from 40% hp at once....

[ivory sigil]

Does every single file mission drop same reward?

[tulip tinsel]

yea same except mats and gold plates as they are random, amount is the same

[cobalt gate]

i seriously wish they tone down some things rng wise

[ivory sigil]

Even if the result is A?

[tulip tinsel]

don't think that changes anything

[scarlet cosmos]

when will pr 6 become coinable?

[tulip tinsel]

pr few months dr more months

[ivory sigil]

so if i manage to beat it 5 more i would able to craft 1 wyvern

Is there any other source to get these rainbow material with 100% drop rate?

[undone plover]

port shop has 3
and normal arbiter 1

[simple nacelle]

Why is this are my primary fleet, can spawn the special attacks of second fleet? (special attack of shinano and yorktown II)

[crimson glacier]

UR ships have cross fleet attacks

[white agate]

there is no SR with crossfleet attk? only buff/debuff?

[simple nacelle]

And how can be activated?

And the attack strength is the same of the original ship?

[crimson glacier]

they are kinda weak, its on one of their skills

[ivory pawn]

In most cases, just need them to be part of a fleet in the node, but not the fleet in the battle. I.e. NJ in your boss fleet can provide crossfleet to your mob fleet.

Some have limits to how many battles. Shinano was 5 iirc, Lion was 3.

[boreal wagon]

they are also based on the stats of the ship providing the attack (i.E. NJ in the above example) but are affected by the buffs of the flag ship in the fleet that is fighting (as they are treated to be fired by them in a sense)

[tulip tinsel]

is the gold bp drop from 16-4 in wiki

or just that gun

[boreal wagon]

i dont think the wiki even has chapter 16 yet

but you can preview drops in game anyway if you already have the stage unlocked

[tulip tinsel]

i don't

[inland shoal]

What gold bp drop?

[viral flicker]

How good is this and what aug for her

[tulip tinsel]

this

[copper turtle]

What UR do I exchange for if I alr have shinano and New Jersey

[simple nacelle]

Musashi

[boreal wagon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_25mm_AA_(Type_96_Blast_Shield)

[tulip tinsel]

thanks sir

[viral flicker]

??

And are they good

[tulip tinsel]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/
just follow this

[crimson glacier]

musashi should use the purple twin 410

[soft raft]

They just have to be in a different fleet besides the one doing the actual fighting

[tulip tinsel]

damn that gun is hella slow

[viral flicker]

I don't have it ig

[viral flicker]

Ok ty

[crimson glacier]

I thought we got 1 for free early

[tulip tinsel]

i think it's in ijn tech box

[whole crypt]

it is, and the only free BB gun early is Mk6

[inland shoal]

What is the name of W16?

[inland shoal]

Thank you

[elder spindle]

my eyes hurts so much from stupid planes , now just 16-3

[turbid marsh]

idk why im still on 16-3

its like 2 hours already XD

[simple nacelle]

Is better than this guide? https://azurlaneecgc.com/equipment/

[whole crypt]

qgg is easier to read if you don't know what you're looking at

[strong tartan]

so I'm on 15-4 and I'm stuck on which fleet do deal with the first and third bosses, do I just have my usual boss fleet fight bosses 1 and 3 then have my mob fight the second?

[simple nacelle]

But have the same?

[whole crypt]

maybe not exactly but by and large

[turbid marsh]

depends on what you have as boss fleet tbh. normally its the super carry mob that deals with boss 1 and 3

[viral flicker]

When is the Ur and who will it be

Next*

[tulip tinsel]

laffey2 guam jan 15

[whole crypt]

Guam rerun next week, new UR in Feb we don't know who

[simple nacelle]

Laffey returns in the next event?

[viral flicker]

Ty

[tulip tinsel]

probably

[ivory sigil]

/crossfleet @simple nacelle i think u want to take a look at this ⬇️

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/Cross-fleet_Effects.jpeg

[strong tartan]

lion, lex2, york2
laff2, z52, gouden but high chance I'll change it

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/Cross-fleet_Effects.jpeg

[ivory sigil]

Oops

[cloud panther]

Is this OK?

[ivory sigil]

Does Cats ability increase the one in Guild battle that we borrow?

[tulip tinsel]

i think yes

[ivory sigil]

upgrade cat skill for BB what stat is more important?

FP ? Accuracy ? RLD?

(Assuming not able to get the Rainbow ability from the cat guide)

[cloud panther]

Always RLD I think cuz FP already is a big number

[tulip tinsel]

afaik rld

[turbid marsh]

er

[ivory sigil]

Er?

[simple nacelle]

The best cats skills are for BB? Or situational?

[inland shoal]

The thing about Rld is it's either very important or inconsequential, you really only need it to make specific breakpoints

[cloud panther]

The 3-4 strike upgrades key

[turbid marsh]

so basically you want to one shot hard arbiter, then i would argue fp benefit more as long as you have bb rld finished

[inland shoal]

Other than that often acc is more important than FP, but once you max out it's worthless and 3 from that talent is not a whole lot

[ivory sigil]

According to catguide

[inland shoal]

Yeah just follow that

Though catmaxxing sucks anyway

[ivory sigil]

I never seen those rainbowskill

[tulip tinsel]

i'd just take pirate cat and ignore it for 10 years

[turbid marsh]

might as well do that, pirate cat is quite good anyways. its like 80% of a perfect cat, and perfect cat probably only matter like what, around 5% stats?

[ivory sigil]

I probably get piratecat after 1more AFCTs and several barguet

[simple nacelle]

This?

[ivory sigil]

Im jealous

Okay im opening my 2 new gold cat now
Please be good BB nvm

[simple nacelle]

But the others skils are sh1t

[rigid onyx]

is 16-1 easier than 15-1? When clearing mode arrives might move to it

[uneven knot]

does anyone have the estimated rerun calendar

[devout storm]

my perfect cat

[ivory sigil]

imposiicat

[old furnace]

hello I'm kina new to the game and don't understand OS... what is that and how do I get my materials? It resets... weekly?

[tulip tinsel]

monthly

[ivory sigil]

@old furnace you can take a bit of read of this guide link for OS

-# Credit to cheeky

[old furnace]

thank you

[ivory sigil]

Q: Ppl start using Willie D in ch16? Does that mean i should try to UR bulin her?

.
Q: Btw what happen to laffey2 when her rerun over? Will she become Permanent? (Like yk2)

[ivory pawn]

Nothing until the event is archived a bit under a year later.

What happens when its archived? Tbh, we don't know, Laffey was the first shop UR.

As for Willie D, just because she is being used in Ch 16 doesn't necessarily mean you should prioritize her for Bulins. Your account may prefer to MLB other URs first.

[zealous bough]

Holy nya

[stark quiver]

Are you in w16

[ivory sigil]

Nah i use her in Guild boss

[hollow gust]

he barley touched w12

[ivory sigil]

maxed w12
Earlier i just ask for efficient way to exp farm my low level 70-100 if they were posible to farm there

[little tree]

Do you guys think swapping bb in mob fleet for 3rd cv for as+ is worth it ? Or should I do it in boss

[ivory sigil]

Only w13 that im skeptical to touch

[little tree]

For w 16

[ivory sigil]

do i really had to maxxing out Sandy before attempt w13 ?

[turbid marsh]

w13 low aa standards anyways, so no. helps a lot. but not really required.

[hollow gust]

if you really care you should be waiting for durable AA carrys like Sandy and Laffey2, stuff people do in endgame for specific niches doesnt help you

[pliant tiger]

ugh... Hakuhou has such a huge difference in reload compared to my Implacable or Amagi CV with 135, is it okay for her to be off by almost one second and won't be that hurtful in boss?

[ivory sigil]

Ok i guess i go maxing out sandy

wait does Sandy AA is for mob or boss fleet?

[tulip tinsel]

i used her in mob for w13

[stark quiver]

perhaps

[hollow gust]

huh are you trying to sync hakuhou?

[stark quiver]

+13 tigercat is gigachad

[undone plover]

U want her first slot to use a sakura plane
And just give her faster planes or amagi slower planes if u want them to sync better

Depends what boss u are fighting

[ivory sigil]

u mean she is optional only? Or mandatory when reach w14?

[undone plover]

Specifically sakura TB it seems
Just put that ryuusei kai on her slot 1

Were there any decent sakura parallel TBs

[hollow gust]

W13 has gotten piss easy, ships are so abdurdly broken , not to mention the update of acv mechanics, its trivial as fuck

[pliant tiger]

eeh, on w14-2 so that would be Yamashiro, heavy

[hollow gust]

if its campaign why is it a concern if she is offsetted

thats generally a good thing anyway

[pliant tiger]

just want to maximize dmg and ask if it's a bad thing.

[fast frigate]

omg finally guam bro

[turbid marsh]

she is useful, but theres plenty of other option tbh. so yeah, optional. but since you are 6th week into the game, idek if you want to spend 70k for her

[hollow birch]

what were the max of these, havent played siren in a while

[hollow gust]

203 203 156, so its basically maxed, especially since the "max" only matters in the hard mode of the middle boss

[hollow birch]

yeah i tried clearing the other day then i saw i was like 130 on all and retried it 2-3 times until i realisd why i cant clear xd

[ivory sigil]

perhaps i gave this a try then... they did deal quite amount of damage so 3 healer should solve it right?

[ivory sigil]

The closest option is guam and laffey2, so they might replace portland and helena?

WAIT i forgot to rearrage my cat

[vale spindle]

not all of them, recent events with 2 URs only one of them has a crossfleet very sad

[hollow gust]

what are you even doing with those fleets

[turbid marsh]

yeah, i dont see why not. but i doubt you have enough bullins for 2 URs... also, maryland goes to mob, get yoshino to boss.

helena trade with kurumi, kurumi tank. that would be my suggestion if you are doing w12 and 13 with those.

[ivory sigil]

I thought maryland skill had 1 BB in ally would shooting extra?

[ivory sigil]

sure. I forgot i was placing kurumi there for exp farming

[mystic rain]

What am I missing here for 16-3? The main ships die in the second node

I don't have cowpens or WDP leveled to 125 yet so needed to sub them

[hollow gust]

rng, sometimes you just get nuked,

[mystic rain]

I've tried retreating a few times, also restarting for a different node RNG. It doesn't seem like they get past fight 2 or 3 and there's 5 total

If the fleet looks good, I'll keep trying

[hollow gust]

houshou damage isnt that good, you can def feel the difference

[turbid marsh]

well i see that she is not leveled, so she can just go right into the mob and get leveled up.

[dusty dagger]

Are ya using airstrikes to clear incoming artillery?

[turbid marsh]

then when you actually step into hitting hire map, use use her skill.

[mystic rain]

No, maybe that's why 😂

I just read the in game help again

[hollow gust]

you just dont have enough damage output to kill the BBs before they destroy you

[turbid marsh]

aquila carrying game.

[hollow gust]

thats why william got popular for flag protection

[mystic rain]

I might just have to wait a few days for her skills to be level 10. I can power her to 125 in the meantime or with books

[hollow gust]

either way cowpen is more important

[mystic rain]

Yeah, same with her. Her skills aren't at 10 either. Wasn't expecting them to be needed right away

[hollow gust]

aquila instead of unicorn is also popular but the impact is way less

[mystic rain]

I slacked over the holidays 😄

[hollow gust]

Triple BBs is the ony hard part of W16-3, cowpen just deals with it better

[turbid marsh]

i also slap independance in boss to make it smoother

[hollow gust]

Double fighter Aquila is just a healbot

[mystic rain]

Going to put in my cowpens and see if anything drastically changes

[turbid marsh]

functions better than uni thats for sure. need backline healer rather than frontline

also she very fast

[hollow gust]

unicorn mainfleet healing is flatly not the issue

[turbid marsh]

yeah but heal 4 times in a fight + massive damage

[hollow gust]

Just like Zuihou is not favored, Unicorn damage dont have the omph. Thats not mentioning aquila has her shields too

[turbid marsh]

yeah idk why cowpens didn't function as well as i hoped

zuihou did her job so i ll stick with her i guess

[ivory sigil]

Nice i cleared.
Such a nice plane show my bossfleet was 50% hp abit

I think i need to take the AA abit more serious
Where is the picture that give AA range again?

[hollow gust]

if you want better AA you use more fighters

[mystic rain]

This is feeling better than what I had before. I'll boost cowpens to 125 and try to do it without WDP

[hollow gust]

early game you spam bofors and roomba

[little tree]

Is raff really good for w16?

[hollow gust]

she is a one of the best mob BBs in the game

[turbid marsh]

best mob

[little tree]

If i have lion and musahi should I spend bullins on her ?

[turbid marsh]

w16 is doable with them anyway

[hollow gust]

if you arent planning on tryharding lethal 3 star then Lion/Musashi would performs just as well if not better

[turbid marsh]

pretty sure safe 16-4 uses lion as a bit lower cost to farm XD

[ivory sigil]

i have about 1 2 3 4 5 of them so far via Research BPs /techbox gacha

is there a better way to get them? I see 11-3 and 11-4 drop them too, or should i just look for gearlab option instead?

[strange sphinx]

wait how good is raff rn?

[hollow gust]

raff was always good, people are just stupid because she isnt huge big pp dps

[strange sphinx]

ic

Oh well I might have spare bulin for her

I have her but benched

[turbid marsh]

very nice 15-1 babysitter ❤️

soon to be 16

[obtuse venture]

works. i subbed Aquila for Independence retro and works better, for me. My other fleet is 3 EU CVs.

[mystic rain]

How does the support fleet work? Do I just flapjack for everyone

[glossy granite]

Hows W16 lol

Is it like 15 but even more cracked?

[sweet delta]

It appears to be boring and too easy compared to 15 on release

[obtuse venture]

iirc, they only attack flying targets, so you need a fast deploying plane. the new one in gear lab works pretty well, Prototype Carrier-Based FW190 G-3. But for better support, you need CVs with TWO fighter plane slots. I got 6 of them and they do the job.

[turbid marsh]

80 suisei:

[sweet delta]

I cannot say if it's the same as 15 but this is for 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15#general-fleet-structure-support-carrier-fleet

[mystic rain]

Yeah not sure if it's the same as 15

[mystic rain]

This is regarding support fleet?

I leveled 120 cowpens to 125 and no one is dying anymore. Insane how one ship changes everything compared to unicorn

Max HP for the mob fleet after 5 nodes. Before they would die in node 2 or 3

[obtuse venture]

yes.
I have Fritz, Nakhimov and Illustrious. with 6 lvl10 catapults and 6 of those planes.

[night dirge]

Is guam going to be worth pulling for?

[obtuse venture]

Shes in my Boss Fleet for W15 and W16. both URs, Guam and Laffey II are worth it.

[sweet delta]

Meh, depends on how many cubes and the status of all rainbow ships you have

[ivory sigil]

So cowpen is worth lvling up 125...

[sweet delta]

We (or at least I|| and my viewers||) knew that on the week of her release

[vale spindle]

(can confirm im one of the viewers)

[verbal plinth]

for some reason i thought you was the same people

[sweet delta]

I have dug up your history and the recommendation is to skip Guam, just use the free builds. You won't be able to use Guam anytime soon with Musashi Lion Bisz Laffii and possibly more waiting for bulins

[vital meadow]

any1 got a oneshot comp for yorktown meta?

[hollow gust]

Pinned

Or watch Jimmy's videos

[grim flax]

I've been using this, though I replaced the bearcats with 13+ flapjacks since I don't have the plates to 13 the bearcats
also I replaced Musashi in the other fleet with Ulrich because I found that the biggest threat to your backline is the suicide boat conga and Ulrich's barrage helps with that

they stay nice and healthy up until the end

[south sequoia]

How strong is william's AA

[vale spindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rb_uXVmDnK2YKe-0YRTrf3VUcQi8mKwEMYKCBFmVXCc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[hollow gust]

pretty solid if i remeber correct 180% eff +50% for just having another ship

[vale spindle]

looks pretty average at best

[stone sluice]

Unless you 3 star it on lethal

[hollow gust]

Peeps in CN practically first tried it

[hollow gust]

oh hey i havent seen a kai one before

thats one off my list

[rain bobcat]

her AA stat itself is the problem

she's basically 200 AA below carries

[soft raft]

W14H & W16 fleet prep

[rapid tusk]

Current commander level is 54 and up to 8-1 in the campaign. What should I do in the mean time to farm commander level?

[soft raft]

Farm with full fleets
that's really all you can do to boost your commander XP gain

[rapid tusk]

Just run 7-4 over and over?

[soft raft]

Yeah

[rapid tusk]

Clearing mode on or off?

[ivory pawn]

On.

[rapid tusk]

Having a 2nd fleet on, does it actually grant XP for them even if they aren't used?

[soft raft]

no
also you shouldnt be considering a 2nd fleet until at earliest W9

You barely have enough resources as is to raise 6 ships, working on double that will just stretch your resources extremely thin, even if they're Elites and Rares

[rapid tusk]

Ok noted

[wind hazel]

go farm at universe in unison or passionate polaris SP5

[rapid tusk]

Already used all my data keys