gameplay-help

[mortal loom]

Yes

[viscid swift]

yes

[grim flax]

what's the setup for the support CV fleet in 16-3 and 16-4 like again
I forgot what I used on world 15

[mortal loom]

Rumey Nakhimov Indomitable Illustrious, the two Chinese CVL

[stark quiver]

i think essex retro is a top option now

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/#general-fleet-structure-support-carrier-fleet

[mortal loom]

Roughly in that order descending

[rain bobcat]

wdym by airfield

[hoary relic]

airstrike he means?

[mortal loom]

they’re the land base airport you’re meant to bomb with your combat action or whatever it is called, the thing on bottom right. Go read the instructions for 16-3 again

[sage wyvern]

Does hard mode require you to fill every slot now

[hoary relic]

so u mean that grid is where your fleet gets bombed?

[knotty jolt]

show full image

[rain bobcat]

if im looking at it right, boss spawns on minimum 5 mobs?

[mortal loom]

4mobs

[rain bobcat]

seems its just a common sense check rather than bullshit check

[mortal loom]

But a full clear is 13, so you know, the hard way is hard, the easy way is easy

[knotty jolt]

it should work idk why it isnt

[rain bobcat]

restart

[atomic abyss]

Bugged

[stark quiver]

its not so common anymore

[atomic abyss]

We've gotten a few reports on this already

[stone sluice]

Gonna level up my W Porter. She was made for w16. I was using Napoli but I struggle with the recon fleets when out of ammo

[knotty jolt]

Always gotta try the classic turn it off and on again

[mortal loom]

I think now it hard requires every slot with requirements to be filled

A different symptom I had is if a fleet as a empty slot it doesn’t count towards the total stats requirement

[hoary relic]

who is better at healing backline, cowspen or unicorn

[rain bobcat]

unicorn cant even heal backline more than once so..

[mortal loom]

Cowpen because she does it many times and unicorn only once. It matters a lot

[hoary relic]

so basically cowspen now is better than uni?

[sage wyvern]

Yeah I filled out every labeled slot and it worked but I'm just not gonna do it

[south sequoia]

cowpens is a secondary healer

ah wait nvm

I'm starting to see fleets benching uni for pens nevermind my comment

[hoary relic]

[atomic abyss]

Cowpens is more or a secondary healer
It's just that her raw dps is higher

That and well

[mortal loom]

Cowpen is a top tier healer, but at the same time someone decide to give it top tier SSR CV damage output

[atomic abyss]

People probably already have uni capped on exp

[strong tartan]

isn't that only for 16 cause uni doesn't do much dmg

[rain bobcat]

they're using raffa as well

[hoary relic]

cuz of her shield?

[strong tartan]

raff can heal

[hoary relic]

and healing but not much

[rain bobcat]

unicorn is useless on 3DD frontline

[delicate current]

Hi guys, Has anyone finished chapter 16 yet and have a good lineup to shoot?

[atomic abyss]

I've seen claims she puts up Franklin numbers?
Which is like, high end SR CV

[mortal loom]

Yes

[rain bobcat]

raffa zuihou cow outputs more dmg and heals much more

[delicate current]

For 16-3 and 16-4

[atomic abyss]

I've even seen claim of enty numbers

Well I'm assuming 70% proc enty numbers

[sweet delta]

Franklin numbers is enty numbers so yes

[atomic abyss]

Franklin numbers is 70% enty numbers isn't it

Not ya know
100% enty numbers

[south sequoia]

can any ssr cv even reach 100% enty yet

[atomic abyss]

If there were we wouldn't even talk about enty anymore would we

[slow fox]

-# Is that the CV damage measuring stick

[south sequoia]

fair enough

[atomic abyss]

"100%" enty is a double dmg skill

[rain bobcat]

seems quite fair

[atomic abyss]

Franklin and Cowpens assume the average 70% proc rate

[slow fox]

-# I'll take that into consideration when Mebotdps in 5 years

[mortal loom]

For more detail go check the chat history @delicate current

[rain bobcat]

why not zuihou, is backline dying or smth

[mortal loom]

It is hardcore dying

[atomic abyss]

100% enty assumes that enty procs owarida... 100% of the time
Which sounds bullshit until you remember that you can just reset for 100% proc rate

[mortal loom]

On full clear though, for just 5 mob you go use whatever you desire

[rain bobcat]

what makes it die, plane?

I've seen people claim it is better to run 3 CV boss to get more AVI and ACV

[mortal loom]

BB Crossfire, you lack the damage output on no ammo to get through the frontline fast enough to kill the BB, so they crossfire a lot, plus there’s suicide boat

[crude kelp]

Enemy bbs

[rain bobcat]

ah

[south sequoia]

Curious, wdym by this? how is uni less useful on 3dd

[mortal loom]

Depends, the thing is, mob can’t be 3 CV because you’ll die very fast from suicide boat. Boss fleet can be if you need air superiority, but then I have that with 2 fleet of 1BB2CV then whatever.

[rain bobcat]

she heals considerably less than zuihou cowpens for DD

[south sequoia]

Ohhhh

[mortal loom]

Unicorn heals for a percentage, while Cowpen and Zuihou heal for flat number.

[rain bobcat]

zuihou can burst heal like 400

[slow fox]

-# Wow! 20% of DD HP instead of 8%!!!

[stark quiver]

is cowpen actually good wtf
shes lvl 100

[rain bobcat]

and well, doesn't really help that the most popular comps in 15/16 are 3 DD

[atomic abyss]

Alpha how are you this behind on cowpens

[stark quiver]

the time has come, unicorn is no longer THE endgame healer

[soft raft]

Uni and Aquila heal based off of target ship HP
Volga/Cowpens/Zuihou heal based off of their own HP

The former is good for CA/CB with high HP pools and the latter is good for DD/CL with low HP pools

[atomic abyss]

I don't even play the game anymore and even I know

I mean

The issue with uni is pretty much as hassat said, the way her healing scales

In a meta that's DD prevalent, she will fall behind

[mortal loom]

Aquila is a different thing, because she heals back line for a percentage. So Aquila is still Aquila until a better one comes

[candid yarrow]

considering the previous ur event ended and there's still sticker missions the only thing you can really do is claim them? I forgot to finish reading the story because of work and I'm at essentially 7/8

[stark quiver]

i only leveled her because shes cv rld

[rain bobcat]

cow and zuihou heal on lowest hp vanguard at once

[candid yarrow]

assume next rerun is probably a year from now then

[soft raft]

2 years for rerun
then 1 year after that for archive

[candid yarrow]

oh wow

[soft raft]

It feels shorter than you'd think
And powercreep may or may not make the ships irrelevant by then

[candid yarrow]

that's the only rainbow medallion im missing now, unfortunately. thanks

[wind island]

rip 5 wisdom cubes

[stark quiver]

what gun does sandy want

[rain bobcat]

moggun

[stark quiver]

[rain bobcat]

+13 duckkai is insane

truly pvp tryhard

[vale spindle]

she has good tech so you should level her anyways

[stark quiver]

i need to +13 a second one too

also can leftover wyverns just be used as support fleet statpad 💀

[vale spindle]

I'm probably gonna be slow leveling her so then i can do hard stages for exp without unicorn taking up a slot

[atomic abyss]

I haven't touched AL in ages tho

Maybe if another desirable Collab happens I'll reconsider

[rain bobcat]

as long as its desyncd enough

I liked 1.5-2s desync on w15 support

[stark quiver]

you need to sync it??

[wind hazel]

you do?

[stark quiver]

dear god

[wind hazel]

i never even care whether it was sync or desync on support

[viscid swift]

has anyone got a "low" cost 16-4 farm fleet yet?

[stark quiver]

16-3 is no joke
my fleet got lobotomized

[rain bobcat]

desync yeah

[stark quiver]

first fight on a yellow bb node btw

[rain bobcat]

i heard its easy til it isn't

[stark quiver]

to hell with lethal full clear

[rain bobcat]

true

ill just farm it til safe if my first fleet doesn't work because fuck it

[viscid swift]

I'm just waiting for Fujinami to come home

[stark quiver]

loook at this 100% farmer, everyone laugh at him

[viscid swift]

at least I cleared 16-3 and 4 on my first try

[stark quiver]

i mean
its not hard at all
it was just BB node things ™

[viscid swift]

didn't have that much issue with BB nodes

[stark quiver]

oh really

ill see how far i can go with the FC
if i die then i just nuke boss

[wind hazel]

share fleet

[stark quiver]

must be a cowpen user

[mortal loom]

This

[wind hazel]

one fleet?

[stark quiver]

holy chad fleet
i bad no cowpenis for me

[mortal loom]

Boss fleet is whatever, as long as you remember to put in a healer you’re good

[stark quiver]

wait what

[viscid swift]

I'm using a copy of this now but I used a rudder on raff, Spearfishes instead of breguets, and Shimanto instead of William D

[rain bobcat]

use uni over lion

[stark quiver]

do you guys see any difference in the run

[viscid swift]

I initially used Lion and Unicorn instead of Raff and Aquila

[wind hazel]

your william on boss?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

is it 125

[viscid swift]

yes

[rain bobcat]

and how did that go

[mortal loom]

You really don’t have to waste a good ship on boss fleet

[wind hazel]

imma wait til i raise my william, no clearing mode anyway

[viscid swift]

it worked, just had to pay attention on BB nodes

and use subs because fuck scruffing a run over arrogance

[stark quiver]

wise words

[compact current]

how quickly do we get augment modules? I only have enough modules to make one at the moment so I'm trying to figure out if I should craft yukikaze's augment now or wait for independence/monarch that I'll be obtaining shortly

[stone sluice]

Gonna try that

I wish I had 3 spearfish

[mortal loom]

Basically there’s the weekly thing, event shop has 5, then it’s just occasionally we have a 5 day boost period. But more or less that’s it.

[pulsar hornet]

I need help with this fleet for the 14-4 hard. It's getting frustrating.

The mob (w/unicorn) is fine, but boss just keeps dying (tried different tanks before with Cheshire being the current pick) if I auto

Any tips?

[atomic abyss]

If the issue is survival, then using an actual tank would go a long way
Chesh isn't noticeably tanky

[spice phoenix]

did cowpens overtake aquila in terms of campaign meta?

[atomic abyss]

Aquila still better at healing backliners
Cowpens better at healing frontliners and dmg

[mortal loom]

No it overtakes Unicorn believe it or not

Because dd are strong and cruisers in general are bad, so flat healing is better than percentages

But Aquila is still Aquila, she’s not gonna go

[pulsar hornet]

I tried Napoli, Unzen and Ply before but they kinda die? Might give it a second shot (and replace Unzen with Traflagar). Any others I could jam in?

[south sequoia]

Do you have eldridge retrofit by any chance? Eldridge helps a huge ton with frontline survivability

[spice phoenix]

thank you

[pulsar hornet]

I do have Eldridge Retro. Her over Trafalgar?

[mortal loom]

Her over Cheshire

[pulsar hornet]

Any tips on what to use on her aux? The manjuu is currently with Laffey 2

[mortal loom]

You won’t need Manjuu, just spec regular health gear

[atomic abyss]

Unzen isn't a tank either
Napoli should work with the correct gear
Drop traf for eld retro if still insufficient
No Manjuu needed

[mortal loom]

The actually-not-a-meme comp for 16-4 safe sea farming. You have enough hp to not die and S clear 4 mobs, the 4 you need to. If you would trade some speed for blood pressure just replace lion with musashi

[crude kelp]

How do u get boss after 4 fights? I need 5 to him to spawn.

[mortal loom]

You need 1700+ AVI on your mob fleet (as seen in port)

[rain bobcat]

just use towel+toolkit or toolkit+manjuu

[crude kelp]

thanks

[viscid swift]

and this is consistent?

[mortal loom]

Yes, surprisingly

But it’s safe sea

[viscid swift]

got that covered

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

so how did you get the boss to spawn in 4 mob fights?

thought you needed 5

[crude kelp]

He just answered to me. Need 1700 avi on mob fleet

[mortal loom]

1700+ AVI on your mob fleet, then follow this exact path (you can skip the bombing part, at least I’m not doing it on safe sea)

[viscid swift]

huh, noted on the 1700 AVI

[warm flax]

Does 15-4 teams do well in 16

[hollow gust]

Not really

[warm flax]

[hollow gust]

Its been around 24 hours , there are alot of successful runs already

[crude kelp]

How long does it take for clearing mode to be added?

[mortal loom]

Months

[wind hazel]

ch15's got added 3 months in

[crude kelp]

Got it

[fiery swan]

where's the best place to farm coins before w12/13, preferably where i can throw in random ships for affinity/research grinding

[rigid onyx]

11-4 probably, but its notably worse than 12-4 because of no cog chips

[fiery swan]

i have no lack of cog chips, but i lack coins

[rigid onyx]

honestly seeing uni no longer be the monolith of healing is refreshing

[mortal loom]

-4 of the highest campaign you can clear
Typically -1 drops best cog chips and -4 drops best coins per oil

[fiery swan]

who is it now

[rigid onyx]

there is no monolith

[mortal loom]

Meanwhile a 2021 ship has been the GOAT and still is

Best ship for w14, w13hard, w15, w14hard, w16

[rigid onyx]

or well uni is still a monolith its just cowpens can compete with dd vanguards

[mortal loom]

Yeah she will probably make a return if we have some useable cruisers

Laffey, Balf, DPorter. Can we have something else

[rigid onyx]

DDs are just really good for w14/w16 mechanics

and there have been broken dds recently too

'recently'

[fiery swan]

oh right i forgot that cas in particular have fallen off and the last good ones were collab

[mortal loom]

Yeah the best CL we had is still Plymouth and Shimanto is concerning. And Napoli is literally a running joke of dockyard

[rigid onyx]

napoli isnt even especially tanky for campaign

[tidal meteor]

Napoli bad?

[mortal loom]

If we ignore Kurumi

[rigid onyx]

sandy erasure though

[fiery swan]

cbs are still really good tho, pity the event hardmodes only say ca and won't let you put cb

[ivory sigil]

who's balf? Balftimore?

[rain bobcat]

can meck cope mob

[stark quiver]

hell naw

[mortal loom]

Oh Trafalgar I meant, I confused her with Barfleur which is also a battle class (the latter is in world of warships)

[clear harbor]

Can finally craft my first Meck gun. 🎉

[trail dagger]

+13 it

Curious, If my BB line up is Warpsite, Monarch, Vanguard, who should i replace for Meck?

[forest palm]

sounds like a terrible line up

[sweet delta]

Depends on the four ships' limit breaks, retrofit, and level status

[trail dagger]

Accidentally create faction fleets

[ivory sigil]

would it even better than f2p option to versus light armor despite it were heavy/normal armor based?

[rapid shard]

No meck gun isnt good against Light armor

[wind hazel]

HUH

[trail dagger]

Currently Warpsite (125), Monarch (125), Vanguard (120). Hoping meck can upgrade my fleets, will she? right now meck at 250 BPS (in dev)

[ivory sigil]

i love the idea of having chemistry in AZ too but im quite low score in the subject

[rain bobcat]

[sweet delta]

Considering that mk6 purple does 3 times the light dmg

[clear harbor]

Meck gun is not in top 3. Huge penalty (-60% if I understand correctly) against Light Armor.

[rapid shard]

AP guns just have really bad modifiers against light

[meager path]

in all my ship roster who is prio to retrofit and has good potential to build?

[clear harbor]

Also, the more I play, the more I wonder why SAP exists...

[sweet delta]

Need at least dev 25 meck to replace monarch

[rapid shard]

Ignoring cost to craft it, is that SAP gun actually notable increase on med bosses compared to normal ap?

[soft raft]

Cowpens
That's really it right now

[trail dagger]

Is slow imporant for bb fleets?

[wind hazel]

retrofit unicorn, portland,
raise cowpens, volga, maybe nelson+retrofit later on

[meager path]

ok dokie

[eager marsh]

Yorktown or Musashi?

[clear harbor]

If I remember correctly, you can't craft Raff gun, you buy it from the Event Shop. But yeah, I think SAP has better modifiers against Medium. But it's bad against Light and Heavy.

[rapid shard]

Theres a gold Sap gun in gear lab

[soft raft]

what URs do you have rn?

[urban grail]

How's lexington 2 and the new dd ur

[clear harbor]

I am incorrect. Raff gun has a 100% modifier against light, so it's not as bad as I thought. I was thinking it was ~50%.

Theres a gold Sap gun in gear lab
I didn't know that. There's so much in the gear lab. 😩

[rapid shard]

Its the triple 406 model 1940. 150% on med and 100 on light so curious how it actually performs

[wind hazel]

you never see it getting recommended here

it is either not worth it or just plain bad

[ivory sigil]

What the cat really pick up these? for the 1st time of 6 week tho

do i have to wait another 6 weeks to see another rainbow paper?

and it is too rng, i just want da plane ✈️

[soft raft]

completely RNG

[ivory sigil]

does those 1 time file mean once i bought it and clear it they no longer appear in next opsi reset?

[olive sail]

best stuff to buy w/ gems as f2p?

[rain bobcat]

dock dock dock

[soft raft]

3rd dorm slot + 2nd floor of dorm
Then after that it's all in on dock space with zero exceptions

[olive sail]

ok

[eager marsh]

this is my URs, currently working on lexington. I just need to claim the pity

[wind hazel]

that's what one time purchase mean

[soft raft]

Musashi

[atomic vortex]

Got the questionably dressed DD

Was she worth or waste

[soft raft]

Not abysmall dogshit but not amazing enough to realistically be anything more than collection

[onyx flame]

shimanto woulda been a better choice but if your prefer her she can do stuff

[chilly birch]

Can someone point me in the direction of a guide for world 14 hard please

[atomic vortex]

I rolled the dice between Hindenburg, Her and Kearsarge cuz I don't have the tech points for anyone else

[onyx flame]

but its not like you had the rints either to dev 30 hindy or kear

[rose whale]

When did they release w16 😳

[onyx flame]

yesterday patch

[soft raft]

Literally 13 hours ago

[rose whale]

Dang, houston 2 still avoid me and here we have another...

What are the best support sub for w16? 😁

[stark quiver]

do you have a 2nd good sub fleet

[rose whale]

I have the old wolf pack

[stark quiver]

just use that then

[fleet berry]

If you're an active player, you might even want to unlock your 4th slot too (4th slot + 2nd floor). If you can spend a bit (<$20 per year) you can buy gems for the 5th slots and more docks too.

[whole crypt]

[whole crypt]

use your fish + 404

[stark quiver]

i bought all just to farm an event one time

[whole crypt]

it's got a better chance to kill than wolfpack does, wolfpack is enough for main map if you need to use subs at all

[fleet berry]

HVAR 1st run?

[stark quiver]

2nd

[rose whale]

Thanks @whole crypt @stark quiver

Time to find gear for 2nd sub fleet lol, i unequipped most of them

[whole crypt]

I'm considering +13ing a 155kai just for this shit

[stark quiver]

what shit

[whole crypt]

16-3

[stark quiver]

oh

[mossy void]

Im not starting w16 yet but should I farm hvars for it. Think I only own 2-3

[onyx flame]

you wouldnt use hvars in campaign

[stark quiver]

did you mfs reach this

[whole crypt]

oh gawd it pains me to think of all the regearing after I finish 16

[onyx flame]

5.4k acv yeesh

[stark quiver]

modern problems require modern solutions

[whole crypt]

anyway beating the map isn't the problem

I'm trying to lethal 3*

[stone sluice]

Can the fargo direct drones slow down suicide boats?

[long pulsar]

Are Bidders still good enough for W16 or do I need the new UR torps?

[stark quiver]

what on earth are you running

[whole crypt]

triple carrier boss

[stone sluice]

Which carriers?

[whole crypt]

🌈 x3

[smoky quest]

What's the gimmick for w16, should I run 2 CL and 1 DD on mob or is 1 CL, 1DD, and 1 DDG fine, also what should I be expecting for the bosses

[keen owl]

I thought i need SSV for support fleet lol

[whole crypt]

DDG has no place here, it's also not about the hull class it's about the specific ships

[keen owl]

Do u need asw here?

[stark quiver]

yes
all 4 stages have enemy subs in recon nodes

[keen owl]

Not much AA? Or both needed?

[stark quiver]

a good amount of aa in 16-3/4

[keen owl]

Like 13-4 hard mode level?

[stark quiver]

this level

[turbid marsh]

its more like 14hm+13hm combined i feel

[stark quiver]

also need good dps

[turbid marsh]

need frontline dps + tankiness at the same time XD

[keen owl]

Sandy is fixed now right she can dps nicely now?

[stark quiver]

she has a lot of AA
idk abt dps

[wind hazel]

she's fixed?

[turbid marsh]

fixed from what again?

[wind hazel]

barrage bug

[mossy void]

Iirc something about her star barrage

[long pulsar]

Are Bidder sub torpedoes good enough for W16 or do I need the UR ones?

[wind hazel]

good enough

[whole crypt]

as far as I can tell killing bases hasn't reduced the incoming planes

[verbal thistle]

Any good suggestions on Jeanne d'Arc replacements for W15?

[rapid summit]

Is Soyuz the next UR rerun after Guam?

[long pulsar]

+13 probably?

[wind hazel]

i wouldnt at this point

[wind hazel]

eldridge

[rapid summit]

When is soyuz rerun expected to be?

[wind hazel]

more like an upgrade than replacement

[whole crypt]

sandy still has very good DPS even with the "bug"

[mossy void]

I know some people are using gouden for w16 but what about people who dont have her at dev 30 yet

[onyx flame]

should specify eld retro

[whole crypt]

I've been spending the last 8 minutes resetting a red BB node on 0 ammo

[wind hazel]

guam

[turbid marsh]

jesus

[whole crypt]

for the record 16-3 is not that hard if you're not trying to lethal 3 star

[rotund narwhal]

what are the best submarines

[onyx flame]

404. archer and flasher

[whole crypt]

part of this is I'm not seeing less planes even after nuking the bases

[bright tusk]

How many mobs needed to clear until 16-4 boss spawn?

[stark quiver]

4 if you have over 1700 avi in your mob fleet

[whole crypt]

39 minutes

about half of it was resetting

[rain bobcat]

maybe reduce dmg or health of planes?

⛏️ any miners

[whole crypt]

anyway I'm not trying lethal 3-star 16-4

[rapid shard]

Finished 15-2 bout to start 15-3. For ASW would fairy plane on Uni and Hedgehog on Sandy be enough or do I need to throw a depth charge on WdP?

[rain bobcat]

enough

[rapid shard]

Keep rudder and drop toolbox for hedgehog?

[rain bobcat]

put hedge on wdp and give sandy bulge

[rapid shard]

Bulge and washing machine?

[rain bobcat]

yes

[rapid shard]

Ill give it a shot. Does the -3 or -4 bosses nuke your backline like ise/hyuga does in -2?

[stark quiver]

No

[rain bobcat]

its more vanguard

[stark quiver]

They nuke it with planes

[rain bobcat]

its just planes and vanguard dmg

[rapid shard]

Vanguard gear look fine? Backline is standard setup

Intercept planes on cow/uni with staggs and stagg on sashi

[onyx flame]

wouldnt the ur aa be better on sandy

[rain bobcat]

no sexy has higher dmg

[rapid shard]

Sandy does stupid levels of dmg with sextuple

[rain bobcat]

put 76 on eldridge instead

you want to bring ur average rld down

as it stands ur more than 1s per reload

[rapid shard]

Roomba on WdP then? Ive got 3 staggs on backline to reduce rld

[rain bobcat]

either that or put a faster gun on eldridge like the twin idfk the name

[stark quiver]

Or drop the 113 for a 90

[rapid shard]

90?

[stark quiver]

Twin 90 mm

[onyx flame]

pasta bofors? i think

[rapid shard]

Ah gotcha. Only got one thats on my cursed ass boss fleet setup thats somehow working lol

Feel free to talk trash but this is somehow working with full S clears minus one reset from Ise turning Hakuhou into a coral reef

[tidal meteor]

What's the best fighter for the support fleet carriers of W15 & W16?

[rapid shard]

The FW in gear lab. Top one

[glacial ermine]

Guys, should I fully limit break Alsace or Lion?

[tidal meteor]

The leftmost one? I see some others recommend the Flapjack or the Skyrocket

[rain bobcat]

atp I would just use essex or lexii on boss

[rapid shard]

Flaps are better for main. The FW is super cheap for support fleet

[rapid shard]

Saving bulins for Laff2 right now. Lex gonna be a min tbh

[rain bobcat]

but anyway as long as you do 2 bosses with mob it'll be fine

[rapid shard]

Thats the plan. My mob is almost immortal as long as eld procs somewhat

[rain bobcat]

more or less equal tbf or maybe in favour of lexii

you cant clear w16 without both of them

[stark quiver]

how long have you been playing again?

[rain bobcat]

last year after lion or smth

[rapid shard]

Since ryza collab

[stark quiver]

idk when that was
but holy next aurora

[rapid shard]

Like late July early aug

[rapid shard]

Im just lacking actual top tier VG options and for PvP tbh will be getting her MLB after laff tho

[stark quiver]

pvp is psyop

if you have lex2 and laffey you win
and lion ig but

[rapid shard]

Only thing im lacking is Lion and Laff which hurts but I pray for that magic backline snipe. I hit fleet every season without much issue but cant quite beat the top end meta setups

[rain bobcat]

eh wont matter anyway

AoTN is sandbagging until 3mims before attempt increase

[stark quiver]

youre little E
shouldnt run into too much meta slops
or commoner fleets as one may call it :v

[rain bobcat]

very cringe and I will never do it again

[rapid shard]

I just want to hit once lol and Lil E is almost nothing but lion lex Sey/Kotori laff eld comps near top 50

[violet coral]

About to start World 16; I want to see eveyones fleet for Mobs and Boss before I start.

[stark quiver]

children with ambition
just do your exercises normally and rush on aotn set

[rapid shard]

just salty there is no counter to lion

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message start reading here, still new stage so there arent any set fleets, its a lot of experimentation

[stark quiver]

these fleets are evil
dont fight them

lex has over a minute of stall potential

[rapid shard]

Thats always 3/4 slots lmao. My cursed setup has beaten it once by pure luck lot of resets cause there end never procd and sniped lion off rip

[stark quiver]

yeah that happens
pvp is rough for newere players
and it seems lil e does have players who believe meta defenses actually does something

[keen owl]

Is Cunnverti good?

[whole crypt]

I'll leave it to stiggy to try lethal 3-star 16-4

[grizzled sundial]

Wiki haven't updated , what is the gold bp drop for 16-4 ?

[whole crypt]

alpha probably knows, I'll be there in 10 minutes

[long pulsar]

What was the popular support fleet for 15-4? Illustrious + Indomitable + ???

[whole crypt]

Fritz Rumey, Nakhimov, Implacable, Hwah Jah, Chen Hai

[slow fox]

Yamato AA gun

[long pulsar]

Oh the Chinese carriers are good there on support?

[whole crypt]

after retrofit

[rain bobcat]

is yama in story

[long pulsar]

might try them because I'm using Rumey and Nakh on Meta fights and might not want to mess with their gear

[rain bobcat]

surely she's in story

[whole crypt]

what story

[rain bobcat]

ch16

I haven't done it yet

[whole crypt]

campaign hasn't had story since ch4

[rain bobcat]

wait true

moment of lapse

who is the boss in 16-4

[whole crypt]

Musashi apparently

[rain bobcat]

understandable

[whole crypt]

ok uploading 16-3 vid now (without the 15 minutes of resets)

[rapid shard]

So 15 is feeling way easier than 14 did, is that just due to not as high VG dps needed/constant shelling?

[whole crypt]

15 is "easier" if you can manage the bar for AA

at least for 15-1 and 2

15-3 and 4 shit like no ammo and the multiple boss fights can get messy

[rapid shard]

Just did 15-3 and it wasnt a issue at all tbh AA is a bit easier for me currently just due to lack dps vg options. Is 4 a big spike from 3?

[rain bobcat]

I just realised, the 16-1, 2 is a USS darter&dace reference

[rain bobcat]

BB nodes are annoying on 15-4

also im not familiar with how much asw you can get away with for a full clear

[rapid shard]

-3 nodes i wiped the subs no problem and didnt take any real dmg from them with the setup you said to run. Im not stressing 3rd star right away, ill go back and snag that later with clearing mode on

[oblique canyon]

Are ch15 fleets pretty viable for ch16 or do they need a lot of tweaking

[wary skiff]

What would the best vanguard be for this main?

[rain bobcat]

if the asw is enough to do escort nodes with no ammo, use all ammo runs on BBs>carrier 3 stars

[whole crypt]

Z52 traf ply

[rain bobcat]

z52 traf ply, if missing either z52 or traf probably use willy

[wary skiff]

Ty, missing only z52

[rapid shard]

BB nodes hit that hard?

[rain bobcat]

somewhat, but doing 3 star BB node on no ammo is definitely something you would most likely want to avoid

for carrier nodes, simply summon subs on wave 3 and nuke hiyou junyou

if setup is nice enough, subs+vanguard and maybe 1 main ship should clean CV wave 1, and the other 2 mains can wipe CV wave 2

[whole crypt]

don't ask me why I tried but you can get away with 5 mobs to boss in 16-3 if you can live 3 fights without killing a base

[rain bobcat]

does killing a base significantly raise ur recon over mobs

[whole crypt]

no I finally noticed which were the planes that are from the base

[rain bobcat]

ah

[whole crypt]

if you take the top route you can kill the first base after 1 fight, but it takes 6 mob kills to get to boss

bottom route boss spawns in 4 mob kills but you still need the 5th kill because of the large DD node in the way

also means doing 2 more fights against enemy with more air support

but it does mean you don't need to do that last fight with no ammo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYW03rqJeeU

[grizzled sundial]

Man , was hoping they throw us some bone .

[whole crypt]

do you really want to farm 16-4

[forest palm]

Farming map drops in general....

[grim flax]

any good boats with a skill to mitigate the empty ammo debuff?
killing 13 mobs before the boss in 16-4 seems like a tall order for that "destroy all enemies" mission

[whole crypt]

the answer is I'm not going to try lethal 3-star 16-4 after resetting for 15 minutes in 16-3

[crisp wraith]

There's Bismarck/Zweii with the certificate.

Or you can just do it on safe, way easier that way.

[rain bobcat]

use a better fleet becuase those options that would mitigate it are just worse ships and will make everything worse

[whole crypt]

honestly I feel the threshold is too high to try bringing ammo pen ships

[crisp wraith]

Yeah idt it'll help.

[grim flax]

naturally I'd be doing it on Safe
just wanting to know what options I have ahead of time

[whole crypt]

now it's entirely possible someone else can cook up something that works for 16-4 but 16-3 once is more than enough for me

[crisp wraith]

Oh, then you'll curb stomp.

[whole crypt]

also I just lost a PvP looking away because I forgot everything is on ch16 comps

[crisp wraith]

Laffey with hedgehog in PvP 🔥 🔥 🔥

[whole crypt]

Kotori no main gun 🙂

no tear and I think I didn't bring damage control either

[crisp wraith]

Oh damn lmao

[whole crypt]

I'm sure there may be some thing I'm missing, or some folks may manage it on manual
but as a matter of personal experience I don't think current cap and ship power has enough room for auto lethal 3-star 16-4 short of spending hours resetting to minimize damage

[wind hazel]

what did you use

[whole crypt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYW03rqJeeU

[wind hazel]

i see people using raff and william

[trim depot]

how do you surpass the captain rank im stuck here despite my point bar basically being maxed

[wind hazel]

are you spending your 15 attempts and winning?

[trim depot]

yea I’ve been winning it’s been almost 3 days since the bar was maxed

[wind hazel]

what's your current seasonal score

[true kraken]

what date the event end?

[wind hazel]

there's no event

[crisp wraith]

Yesterday lmfao

[true kraken]

[trim depot]

uh 1394 o think

[crisp wraith]

If you mean the exchange in a week

[trim depot]

does my rank have to be higher than 1000

[wind hazel]

you havent been using your attempts

[trim depot]

ok I lost a few icl

[wind hazel]

then keep winning. keep using all your 15 attempts daily

at the bottom it tells you what point you need to get to next rank

[whole crypt]

the problem is red BB after 0 ammo, I don't think Raff/WDP is going to be a significant improvement

[trim depot]

ok so I have enough points but my rank is too low ic

[wind hazel]

but have you tried it?

[whole crypt]

yes for 16-2 but not with double healer

[wind hazel]

i see quite a few people already finish lethal clearing 16-4 with raff william fleet

are you using sub?

[whole crypt]

lethal 3-star?

[wind hazel]

some with aquila uni, some with cowpens, some with cowpens zuihou without uni, quite a lot different healer combo

[whole crypt]

[grim flax]

I think he meant just clearing the map

3 starring the map on lethal is a different beast

[crisp wraith]

I think Raff/WDP is definitely the play.

I didn't ended up going for lethal 3 stars myself but it definitely feels like it could.

[wind hazel]

like here's one example

[bright tusk]

Any recommendation of pre-lex II event ships for mob fleet for 16-4? Currently using raff/unikai/aquila but they easily dies when fighting large main fleet node

[crisp wraith]

Why is my finger keep slipping to react with the scared emote wth

Cursed phone

[wind hazel]

it's an ad for Scream 2026

[crisp wraith]

😱

[whole crypt]

guess I'll go back to WDP then

I just like the comfy feeling of Eldridge+Laffey in vanguard

[crisp wraith]

Keep this, then add Z52, Laffey, Gouden Leeuw.

Assuming your Gouden is dev 30.

[wind hazel]

my eldridge explode at 16-2 last night for some reason when i afk, together with laffey. gouden solo survivor. had to reset the fight

[rigid onyx]

eldridge is nothing if not inconsistent

[wind hazel]

i think they rammed the big boat

[crisp wraith]

Operation rainbow was not successful.

[wind hazel]

operation poop

[whole crypt]

16-2 was easy

[bright tusk]

Haven't raise gouden leeuw to d30

[wind hazel]

it was easy until rng says no

[whole crypt]

let me grab some oil from bank first

[crisp wraith]

Uhh idk do people use Shimanto for w16 mob

[rigid onyx]

is it true sandy bug was fixed

[wind hazel]

i mean why not

[crisp wraith]

Ngl I've never used her lmfao

I just know she has good AA

[wind hazel]

shimanto good ship. great aa, help with burn

[whole crypt]

I haven't heard of sandy being fixed but she works fine as it is

[proper violet]

In commisions there is that one that costs 1200 oil, why would one do that one?

[rigid onyx]

If one doesn't play enough and would hit hard cap on oil

[wind hazel]

which one, the large commission that use 800 oil+?

[crisp wraith]

The 1.2k oil one?

They REALLY need to use oil in a short time. Or don't play often.

[whole crypt]

because some people don't play very much and it's a nice stack of coins and XP if you're fairly inactive

[proper violet]

The one I have costs 1200 oil

[wind hazel]

if it gives cube, take it. if it doesn't, don't take it

[rigid onyx]

Does it ever even cycle if you don't take it

[wind hazel]

no

[proper violet]

Yeah ok, so its really the snooze player option I assume

[wind hazel]

jimmy version. which is the mob 😱

[stark quiver]

Raff fleet duh

[wind hazel]

you're correct, you just won $500

[stark quiver]

I don’t accept acts of charity

[wind hazel]

is it true musashi doesn't fire her gun?

apparently we have ACV bug too https://x.com/reikurozuki/status/2009524534777663830

黒月零 (@reikurozuki)

关于机场bug，按理说是有80架很猛的彗星轰炸机，出击间隔和机场数量相关。摧毁机场可以大幅降低它的出击频率。制空权势均力敌及以下，出击频率降额外大幅强化。
现在由于某些神秘bug，制空权优势及以上，机场的80架彗星不会出现，也不需要去炸机场。只有...

X · Jan 9, 2026, 7:15 AM

[scarlet cosmos]

what are best subs to put in support fleet in w16?

[whole crypt]

yeh still a mess with raff/wdp

[crisp wraith]

The usual. I used Flasher, I-404, Archefish.

[whole crypt]

BB fleets still melt you on no ammo

[strange sphinx]

you mean that barrage of hers or the every attack have star?

[whole crypt]

yes

[whole crypt]

you're still highly at the mercy of BB fleets not melting you

this is after 7 or 8 fights

actually 6 wtf

[muted wind]

like ~40 repeats in, haven't seen her fire once yet. so probably not.

[rigid onyx]

yeah i think thats why people swapped off uni

vanguard is actually so much healthier than main fleet

[scarlet cosmos]

what are some good SR DDs to take into w16? I only have Laffey, Eldridge, Yuudachi, and Shimakaze as UR DD and Im unsure what UR DDs are useful for mob

[south sequoia]

Its also bc of 3 dd

[slow fox]

-# You guys should be using Hestia for this stuff

[scarlet cosmos]

here is my fleet 😭

[muted wind]

laffey and eldridge should be enough to keep whatever third ship you pick for the vanguard alive at the very least

[scarlet cosmos]

okay, should I take eldridge out of boss then?

[muted wind]

if your boss fleet doesn't need her?

[scarlet cosmos]

sounds good, ty! I'll play boss first and see how that goes

i think i read somewhere that eldridge has a special asw, unless I remembered wrong. Can anyone confirm this for me?

[wind hazel]

are you using rudder?

[muted wind]

yeah, she has an inherent hedgehog equivalent, so you could go for less asw weapons with her

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/ships/id/28?retrofit=true
Lars can confirm it for you

[scarlet cosmos]

awesome, thank you guys!

[whole crypt]

first try was rudder
raff was like 60% after first fight and I swapped to extinguisher

[sweet delta]

I recommend using a UR BC for the +31 or whatever Eva tech

[whole crypt]

BC?

[sweet delta]

BBs have a measly +1 Eva tech

[slow fox]

-# Do I hear the extraordinarily rare mainline eHP discussion

[rapid shard]

Is there a UR BC?

[muted wind]

-# bring the math, magic man

[slow fox]

-#

[strange sphinx]

nani

[whole crypt]

swapped to Independence but main fleet still melts once you hit up 0 ammo BB

maybe I'll try Aquila next

[cobalt gate]

when do we usually get oil lock for new chapter?

[muted wind]

2-3 months after release

[cobalt gate]

thanks. well guess i'll do it when that comes

[whole crypt]

now the vanguard starts melting too 🙂

swapping to Independence wasn't much help in terms of trying to push for all mobs

[verbal thistle]

Anyone have any idea why my subs are launching when starting a fight in auto mode? It's a new map so I don't think it's because I toggled 'Auto-call subs'..?

Recently switched to mobile from desktop so my settings reset. Not sure if that's why.

[whole crypt]

it could be on by default

[verbal thistle]

I'll check again.

No.. The only thing I see related to battle is the CV detection line

[whole crypt]

the toggle should be on pre-battle confirmation

[muted wind]

auto submarine is shared across every stage, so... maybe do check that

[whole crypt]

it's not under game options outside

[verbal thistle]

Okay, I didn't know that. Thank you. I changed it.

[fickle parcel]

Were there 3 Gridman collabs?

[whole crypt]

2 SSSS collab events

more rather 1 SSSS run and 1 rerun with extras

[fickle parcel]

So there should be 3 Goldburns, or 2?

[whole crypt]

no 2

[fickle parcel]

tyty

[whole crypt]

1 from original 1 from rerun

yeh clearing is no issue, there's just too much RNG avoiding being melted at 0ammo for lethal 3-star

Aquila isn't faring much better guess I'll try Zuihou as well at this rate

[rapid tusk]

How do I 3 star 1-1 on Hard etc when as soon as I spawn it's only a boss?

[muted wind]

turn off clearing mode

[whole crypt]

turn off clearing mode

[rapid tusk]

oh

[muted wind]

(same advice for every other hard mode stage, clearing mode makes only the boss spawn)

[versed forum]

which subs are best to pair with 404?

[muted wind]

the general advice is archerfish and flasher. the latter is rerunning next week

[whole crypt]

so much for testing 16-4

[south sequoia]

whos the 3rd slot for cv supp
ik the 2 bis is nakhi and rumey but whos the third

[muted wind]

hwah jah?

[whole crypt]

Hwah Jah probably, maybe sex

[crimson glacier]

nak and rumey? and here im still running the lusty class

[muted wind]

considering the big fuck-you wave of aircraft doesn't spawn for some reason if your ACV is high, not really a big deal

[crimson glacier]

they are punishing you for building well?

[muted wind]

no, i mean an enemy aircraft wave doesn't spawn.

[crimson glacier]

yeah and if you build your fleet well itdoes spawn

[muted wind]

... no i mean it doesn't spawn if your ACV is high

[crimson glacier]

ah i must have been seeing things, i need some coffee i guess

[muted wind]

it doesn't seem to be intentional though, but this game being broken isn't exactly news either

[crimson glacier]

al broken? surely you jest

anyway is there any good 16-4 farm fleets yet

[boreal wagon]

i mean musashi sometimes doesnt fire her guns (the boss one) so clearly its all working as intended

[muted wind]

sometimes?

[crimson glacier]

my irl haki prevents her from shooting, its intended

[boreal wagon]

most of the time

[verbal thistle]

Is this only in W16 or in general?

[crimson glacier]

is there other musashis than in w16

[verbal thistle]

Phew

[muted wind]

yeah i looked-- wait, datamine for stuff like that is fine again, right?

[boreal wagon]

its the boss one anyway not your own one lol

[verbal thistle]

Oh

[boreal wagon]

who the fuck knows

[crimson glacier]

isnt only story content mines banned

[boreal wagon]

yeah but somehow ship art is also banned unless announced

[muted wind]

um. yeah, i don't see a main gun in the boss's data, or the AI stuff then. so doesn't seem bugged.

[boreal wagon]

and it seems to change every other tuesday

[crimson glacier]

yeah but art doesnt really matter here anyway

[boreal wagon]

i mean, it could still be bugged if they just forgot to add one

[muted wind]

i wouldn't be surprised either way, but there is a historical reason to explain why she doesn't

-# not gonna complain she doesn't shred my main fleet

[whole crypt]

so far Aquila is the worst performer for the third slot

[umbral bane]

Which one is better Improved Submarine-mounted G7e Acoustic Homing Torpedo or Submarine-mounted Type 95 Kai Pure Oxygen Torpedo

[crimson glacier]

for support or actual fleet?

[whole crypt]

actual fleet

[crimson glacier]

wtf i have been running uni aquila all this time

[whole crypt]

Raff/Cowpens/(Unicorn/Indpendence/Aquila) Aquila gave me the worst fight results, especially after no ammo

[muted wind]

a lot of triple DD vanguards used this time around, so unicorn just doesn't do much

[crimson glacier]

so do you have any good fleets i can just copy for farming the 16-4 drop ship yet

[whole crypt]

Unicorn was doing fine

[whole crypt]

the slot Zuihou is in now, Unicorn and Independence worked fine for clearing

[crimson glacier]

i can clear consistently but needing subs is pain in the ass

i hope when i get to safe its less sub reliant

[muted wind]

side note: make sure you have at least ~1700 AVI on both fleets so you can get the boss after 4 mob kills

[whole crypt]

but the 0 ammo fights are absolute dog shit

[crimson glacier]

???

[whole crypt]

you can't physically reach the boss in 4 mob kills

[muted wind]

i... do?

[boreal wagon]

you can

[crimson glacier]

avi affects boss spawns?

[whole crypt]

apparently it does

[muted wind]

16-3 needs 5, 16-4 is doable with 4

[boreal wagon]

it affects visibility which affects boss spawn

[whole crypt]

does it involve skipping the bottom bases or something

[muted wind]

yeah, and ~1700 AVI on both fleets is the point where the visibility is high enough that 4 kills spawns the boss

[crisp wraith]

No you can still reach the bottom bases.

[muted wind]

i mean, i do skip it, but you can just go to the node, airstrike them, and not do the fight lol

[crimson glacier]

wtf is bottom base

[boreal wagon]

no

[whole crypt]

and either way the 5th fight doesn't make a difference really

[muted wind]

it saves me oil lmao

[boreal wagon]

u can kill all bases and reach the boss in 4

[whole crypt]

the problem is 0 ammo fights since I'm trying lethal 3-star

[crisp wraith]

There are these bases on the map you can bomb with airstrike to lower the amount of enemy aircraft.

[muted wind]

oh yeah, that was meant to be advice for farming, not really full clears

[whole crypt]

clearing is 0 issue

[boreal wagon]

https://cdn.mrlar.dev/i/5dBE7Wip2StsuMVSh6jZZ.jpg

[crimson glacier]

i guess i have just been brute forcing my way then

[muted wind]

i feel like it's easier to do the mob bottom-left-adjacent to the first one, especially since the air bases don't do anything with high ACV rn

[boreal wagon]

idk i havent had any issues

[crisp wraith]

Oh so that's what the bug is about?

[boreal wagon]

but im also not 3 starring

[whole crypt]

wait so I've just been seeing no reduction in planes because bases don't do squat in air supremacy?

[muted wind]

yeah the aircraft waves controlled by the land bases just don't spawn if your ACV is high

[crimson glacier]

i did the full clears on first 2 maps and then my fleet just gave up on doing it

[whole crypt]

there are some sus plane waves that don't look like the normal counter spam though

[muted wind]

the extra waves are blocks of 80, you'd notice lmao

[boreal wagon]

prolly most things work atp tho, but once air bases actually work as intended this path is likely the one to choose

[whole crypt]

killing those didn't bring down the plane counter either

[uneven cave]

is cowpens that good of a healer

[whole crypt]

wtf lol

anyway heading out for dinner, I'll try Zuihou later

[muted wind]

-# oh and they'd still spawn, just less often

[whole crypt]

but if it doesn't work then I'm not bothering with the lethal 3-star anymore

[boreal wagon]

i mean

3 starring now is prolly easier than when it is fixed

[crisp wraith]

Yes and she also does a lot of damage while doing so.

[crimson glacier]

yeah but if he wants the real difficulty

[boreal wagon]

unless u want it to be harder that is

[whole crypt]

in what way

[boreal wagon]

more planes spawn if it is fixed

[crisp wraith]

From what I'm reading the bug is preventing the bases from actually spawning planes with high AVC.

[whole crypt]

well no difference, I'm not lethal 3-starring it

doesn't mean I'm not going to just bloody safing it

[uneven cave]

like, unicorn level of heals?

[muted wind]

admittedly, looking at the definitions, i have no idea what the intended behavior is supposed to be exactly. the only way i can read it is that high ACV would override the spawn delay, so air bases wouldn't do anything either way

[whole crypt]

JP just got a hotfix, nothing regarding 16 specifically though

[crisp wraith]

Well no, but she's up there.

[crimson glacier]

btw what planes are you running on the boss fleet

[whole crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1458795737642045606/G-IxY0SaEAEWl28.png?ex=6960f0e6&is=695f9f66&hm=ffe069d2671a0f477a2fad16709405f7a5775fe5cf319cf53627dd131032d95b

[inland shoal]

No, but quite a bit better damage

[whole crypt]

I'm just copying homework

[muted wind]

i also mostly copied those fleets, no notes from me

[whole crypt]

it clears fine

[crimson glacier]

does it need subs at safe

[crisp wraith]

Nah

[crimson glacier]

thats nice

my current fleets kinda just live purely on subs

[whole crypt]

the comp clears 5 mobs fine with no subs
boss can kill without sub too

if you're not trying to lethal 3-star practically you don't need subs for -4

[muted wind]

yeah, i was calling subs on BB nodes, felt safer. the shelling is bad. also a rudder on raff helps.

[crimson glacier]

also is 16-4 always the same

like is there any rng on the enemy fleet spawns whatsoever

[muted wind]

they always spawn in the same location, but besides the initial spawns, which kind is rng

... well, actually, now that you say it, at least some of it is definitely rng, but i didn't pay attention to whether it's all extra spawns

[crisp wraith]

It's mostly the same from my experience.

Sometime I'd get a level 3 supply fleet (not sure if that's what it's called, the one with the ship carrying gold coins) near the bottom, and the ones on top-right quarter seems to be pretty consistent.

[crimson glacier]

looks like i have been using twin 134s

thats pretty funny

[muted wind]

i mean, at least they have good base damage and range.

[broken tundra]

Hi there. Sorry if this has been asked before, but how do I take part in this event? I can't seem to find any info about it anywhere. My Island is at level 41, and I've researched/unlocked all the tech and characters available for my level.

[boreal wagon]

its just borked

[grim flax]

what's the general strategy for this?
I assume you only use subs when out of ammo, but on what enemy?
also is this manual or auto

[mortal loom]

Auto (with manual call submarine timer). Strategy is use subs on 3 star enemy only, conveniently there’s just like 5-6 of them.

Those are my timings, I only called submarine on no ammo
16-3: BB at 40s, Cruiser at 20s
16-4: BB at 35s, Cruiser at 25s, Transport at 20s
I highly recommend whatever you put on top position use Type 95 Kai

[crimson glacier]

does manual even matter in w16

[grim flax]

can you post the subs' setup as well?

[quick mason]

I raised Navi to the max in this for me new feature, is this just for fun or does it give me anything to increase my fleets power?

[muted wind]

just fun, though you can set her as a special secretary, so cosmetic if you wanna count that

[quick mason]

Same goes for that island mode?

[mortal loom]

I used I404 plus the 2 Italian ones
All 95kai 95kai snorkel type 93

[muted wind]

kinda? island mode lets you get gifts for ship affinity, but it's not a lot, but if you just want that, it's low effort

[mortal loom]

In hindsight you should probably use 2 US sub with I-404 for better result

[grim flax]

thanks

[quick mason]

Alrighty thanks

Is gearlab still no1 in terms of getting better gear?

[sweet delta]

There are many number ones and they offer different gear

[quick mason]

So basically farming PR8 researches and gear lab crafting mats is the best way to get stronger?

[whole crypt]

my Aquila failed spectacularly

Zuihou just failed me and I left Raff to die so I'm just going to start a new run when I get home

[light trail]

cow and willy good?

[mortal loom]

Very

[light trail]

damn hell yeah

i should bumrush w13-15 so i can join the w16 hype lol

[muted wind]

good luck lol

[mortal loom]

You’d better be quick. After the w16 bugfix god knows how hard it will be

[light trail]

just need laff2 and guam to make it easier

[grim flax]

bugfix?

[light trail]

bug huh

[mortal loom]

Currently the airport are not doing anything

[light trail]

lol

has there ever been a similar situation to this in the past

[mortal loom]

And when they do they will send 80 planes

[grim flax]

the airfields that we need to bomb?

[mortal loom]

No because w15 release was also bugged (the smoke screen), but that was making things harder not easier

[light trail]

any chance yostar would revert people's progress lol

i know cygames has in gbf so it's not entirely unprecedented

[mortal loom]

No that will be such great controversy

[light trail]

i don't think it would be that huge but i certainly hope that doesn't happen

would be pretty lame

[muted wind]

yeah i don't think they can afford to do that

[mortal loom]

Also like, why would they do it anyway, for what. They make no money from your w16 progression anyways

[muted wind]

in a sense, when they release a skin for fujinami, they would make negative money by reverting progress
-# i mean honestly that already applies to rings

[crimson glacier]

i dont think it matters

even if they make w16 harder, it will be easier anyway since ppl know more

compared to the ppl who just early rush

[cobalt rapids]

better than unicorn

[whole crypt]

Depends™

for the purpose of ch16 if on a single healer Cowpens will be more helpful

[cobalt rapids]

for the purpose of easy content it doesnt matter then

[whole crypt]

well given the direction it's taking with ship choices for lategame and the newer DDs plus damage distribution Cowpens does tend to be more useful

Unicorn's basically getting the old Perseus treatment, still fair game for OS really

[tropic tusk]

can i use uni instead of pereus? for 16-1

[hoary relic]

how should i use my bulins, lmb porter or save for laff2?

[wind hazel]

how many do you have

[hoary relic]

enough to lmb 1 only

[whole crypt]

16-1 isn't that hard will depend on what ships you're using
Unicorn was always preferable to Perseus for hard content
Cowpens may be better depending

[wind hazel]

did you buy any bulin from store this month

[hoary relic]

i only have enough to lmb 1 including bulins from store and BP

[tropic tusk]

if i dont use rafflo who else can i use?

or shes a must

[wind hazel]

ok let me make it clearer for you. if you haven't touched January's 5k+3k protocore, then you can safely mlb both, granted that you get 2nd copy of laffey2

[cobalt rapids]

look at the top ships for ch15 on the tierlist and mix match
or wait till someone posts homework to copy

[wind hazel]

if not then just wait and see which one you need more

it's usually laffey2 providing bigger benefit

[hoary relic]

🤔 for sure i'll mlb both but who should i prioritize

so laff2?

[wind hazel]

how many spcore do you have exactly right now

[hoary relic]

11k if reach max cap per month(already bought from shops)

plus 1 bulin from bp

[south sequoia]

What does airstriking the top spot of 16-4 do

[wind hazel]

so you can only afford 3 bulin now

[mortal loom]

Currently, nothing, because it’s bugged
It should launch 80 planes if you don’t do anything to the airfields

[hoary relic]

well enough to lmb porter cuz she has 1 dupe from lex2 banner

and laff2 would come with another bulin so

[wind hazel]

just wait for laffey then

[boreal wagon]

well in theory destroying the bases does do something but youd have to be below air superiority which if you are you have other problems

[whole crypt]

it's basically the same thing as killing the supercarrier nodes in 15 first

but yeh you're kind of screwed for 16 below air sup

[south sequoia]

[peak moat]

fuji good?

[runic bronze]

are the anti-submarine torpedoes (Mark 35 torpedo) worth it over traditional surface torps? 14-4 hard

[grim flax]

thanks for the advice

manualed the whole thing at Safe for maximum safety

[quick mason]

What do I get from advancing past w12?

[tropic tusk]

w13? lol

w12-1 and 12-4 are where u do most of ur money farming

[mortal loom]

You get better coin yield in 13-4 and 14-4, and better cognitive chips yield in 13-1 14-1 and 15-1 given you can farm in them

[wind hazel]

you can complete more campaign missions, gems and stuff

[rapid shard]

Speaking of chips. Assuming I can farm either of those 3. Which is best chip to oil ratio?

[mortal loom]

15-1

[wind hazel]

15-1

[quick mason]

Okey thanks, I was just wondering if theres any ships or gear that is wayyy better and can only be farmed there

[wind hazel]

16-1 after 3 months

[rapid shard]

Actually viable drop rate to farm for them?

[undone plover]

13-1 low cost

[wind hazel]

cog chips are all rng

[undone plover]

12-1 is around 40 chips per 10k oil spent

[mortal loom]

But 15-1 has the problem that you can only level 3 ship at a time (although technically when you’re farming 15-1 you should be out of back lines anyway so not big deal

I mean the thing is you farm so much over a year so the difference is considerable

[wind hazel]

im perma in 12-1

[rapid shard]

Im just at a massive chip block right now with basically a full fleet and half that need them and sub fleet lol so need to farm for some

[tropic tusk]

impossible

[mortal loom]

Then go 15-1, as your bottleneck is not exp

[rapid shard]

I cant read that

[mortal loom]

Uhhh it’s just numbers?

[undone plover]

nightly commissions are your best friend (sometimes)
cog chip from farming is really really low

[rapid shard]

Is 3rd column chip to oil ratio?

[wind hazel]

for real if you still have ships to level, just stick to w12

[undone plover]

chips per 10k oil yes

[mortal loom]

Not necessarily, exp is technically not useful if you can’t convert it into progress towards level 120

[wind hazel]

i'd rather have 100 ships at lv100 waiting to cogs, than dragging shitters with carries for less than 200 cogs increase per month

[cobalt rapids]

the author said theyll remake this because ch15 are not quite right

[undone plover]

did they mention if it is worse or better?

[muted wind]

that actually sounds like a... very notable increase in chips even just going from w12 to w13

[mortal loom]

It’s a lot more than that. On average your weekly oil income is around 25k

[cobalt rapids]

it is notable

[mortal loom]

So over 1 months the difference between 12-1 and 15-1 would be 500 chips

[undone plover]

it is a notable increase from farming
but farming portion of cog income is already low

[muted wind]

last time i tracked my oil income, it was closer to 40k per week

[wind hazel]

how notable are we talking about

[rapid shard]

Good thing I cleared W15 today then

[cobalt rapids]

unless ure an oil baron i wouldnt stress over it

[mortal loom]

If you take the 40k per week number then it’s like 800 per month, if you take 25k per week it’s some 500 chips, but regardless it’s not a negligible amount

[wind hazel]

im oil beggar 😭

[undone plover]

if 5k oil/day is your income then going from 12-1 to 13-1 is 5200 extra chips per year

[cobalt rapids]

it takes considerably more effort to gear and lvl ships in 15-1

[mortal loom]

Yes but if you’re leveling purple ships then you should be more than capable. Afterall you only need 3 carry ships

[wind hazel]

5k per year sounds good actually, can lv120 2-3 ships

[muted wind]

honestly, 13-1 is easy enough to make that worth it if nothing else. 14-1 if you can have a few more carries, 15-1 is rough

[mortal loom]

Yeah a SSR is 2200 iirc? I’m out of the bottleneck for a long time now

[muted wind]

yeah

[undone plover]

that is for ch13
for ch15 it is around 10k extra if 5k daily oil

[cobalt rapids]

14-1 is very comfortable once ure done with backlines or u lvl good backlines
15-1 can delete vanguards which sucks so u either need to pop more books into em or run eldridge which sacks a vg exp slot and that sucks in the long run

[mortal loom]

My bottleneck now is I can only level up 3 vanguard at a time

[wind hazel]

you guys convinced me to go back to 14-1

[muted wind]

i'm still a bit bottlenecked on chips, but i also was doing 12-4 until a few months ago so. since then at 14-1.

[rapid shard]

I was coasting and keeping a bit in reserve while leveling a bunch of Grey's and blues but WdP Cow and a few others nuked my chip stock

[undone plover]

12-4 too comfy now i dont want to leave
add ammo to 15-1

[mortal loom]

just use one of the tempest ships trust

[grim flax]

what's the text on the two 13-1 rows?

[muted wind]

surely

[whole crypt]

my bottleneck is the ship release pace I still prefer 12-1 unless I need coins

[cobalt rapids]

one is full fleet and the other is lowcost

[wind hazel]

[undone plover]

low cost iirc was hamman ii + volga
maybe these days we have better lowcost idk

[wind hazel]

cowpens surely better

[mortal loom]

Just don’t bother with the low cost. If you have sufficient gear and fleet tech for that it is also very likely you don’t need it unless you’re doing fleet strength and duplicate things

[muted wind]

i'm tracking things with a spreadsheet, and it's telling me i need ~66k chips for max tech still. slowly catching up.

[undone plover]

damn u are almost done if u only need 66k

[wind hazel]

why not use lars tracker

[mortal loom]

66k is almost done

[whole crypt]

[muted wind]

spreadsheet lets me run other statistics as i need it

[south sequoia]

this look fine for w16? or should boss front be more aa heavy
assume no gouden

[wind hazel]

stats guy

[cobalt rapids]

eldridge tank is not fine

[muted wind]

like funny graphs for oaths over time

[south sequoia]

Guam ply eld?

[grim flax]

guess I should work on 3starring 16-3 right away during the bug

[mortal loom]

You preferably would like a heal in your boss fleet as well

[cobalt rapids]

i would run 3cv boss for AS+

[wind hazel]

you're not gonna get ACV with lion

[whole crypt]

for mob pretty much the template now it's just the gearing
also 16-3 and 4 aren't that hard if you're not lethal 3*ing

[mortal loom]

Yeah and that if you can’t get AS+ with 4

[south sequoia]

then volga/unicorn essex lex?

[mortal loom]

Yeah I’ll go unicorn

[whole crypt]

boss VG wants a bit more yeh

[undone plover]

3 CV is meta
interesting

[muted wind]

hm, did i not have AS+ either? didn't feel it if not. i ran the same main fleets at least

[cobalt rapids]

why

[mortal loom]

Mostly because there’s little suicide boat for the boss

[muted wind]

... wait, independence instead of aquila was mine but that's it

[whole crypt]

no healer in boss is fine

[mortal loom]

We Musashi we use gun fight

[cobalt rapids]

this fleet took a 3* bb and S cleared musashi

[wind hazel]

essex skin buff

[muted wind]

real

[south sequoia]

I did not expect acv req in w16 to be that harsh to warrant one fleet to go triple cv

[undone plover]

idk
usually bossing dmg from BB In campaign is

[wary saffron]

Guys how do I reach the disappointment affinity with a ship girl, idk how bc I never did it before

[hoary jacinth]

Question regarding guild operations: Does anyone know the formula that determines success/partial success/failure or is it just RNG?

[wind hazel]

keep using her while 0 morale

[grim flax]

using Essex for historical accuracy is mandatory

[mortal loom]

You mean how did you? You need to use her with 0 morale (red face) to lose affinity

[wary saffron]

Hmmm interesting thanks

[undone plover]

i see indep is still secret campaign UR

[cobalt rapids]

secret UR till she gets shelled once and evaporates

[mortal loom]

Still the best cross fleet CV buff

[undone plover]

6 USS ships no WDP
why not neko

[cobalt rapids]

i dont have wdp lexii or DR8 raised

[rapid shard]

Not gonna lie we all trashed WdP on announcements but shes turned out pretty good

[wind hazel]

who's we

[south sequoia]

I don't see much w16/w14h clears with lexii in them is it bc not a lot of people have her maxed yet, pretty sure she should be really great for these since she has great damage and chonk right?

[muted wind]

i did use her, though she wasn't quite maxed.

[wind hazel]

most on bili or twitter use lexii essex yk2 lol

[mortal loom]

It is because you need 2 heals for w16 mob

I did use her and yeah it was whatever, the boss fleet is not that hard requirement

[wind hazel]

full USS feels good to use

[cobalt rapids]

tbf normal clear isnt hard for mob either considering u can skipp ooa fights

[south sequoia]

One more thing, clearing rewards isnt out yet right? so no oil cap and auto farm

[mortal loom]

Yeah

No they’re not

[south sequoia]

Sadge, ill just wait till its out to farm fujinami

[undone plover]

how much oil do i need for full clear everything ch16?
10k?

[wind hazel]

did you use any aa radar on this fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

no sir

[mortal loom]

I did lethal full clear, and it took about that

Will cost a lot more if you do full clear on safe sea

[wind hazel]

i havent raised wdp too, probably wanna clear it while acv bug is here

[dreamy hawk]

I just realized, that I haven't read the last events story ... Any possibility to get the memories before they appear in the archives?

[undone plover]

full clear safe is for zoomers

[cobalt rapids]

if i knew its bugged i wouldnt have bothered clearing it rn

[mortal loom]

Roughly I started at about 13k oil and when I finished it’s like 2.9k

[wind hazel]

reset account

[south sequoia]

wait it just hit me plymouth does nothing in boss since its 3 cv should i just swap her out for sandy or something

[boreal wagon]

(i should note we asumme it is a bug whether it actually is is unclear)

[undone plover]

u are noted

[whole crypt]

ren what was your lethal comp

[undone plover]

is it only 16-4 that has the "bug"?

[boreal wagon]

no

[undone plover]

16-3 and 4?

[mortal loom]

-3 and -4, the bug is on airport afaik

[cobalt rapids]

#trophy-room message

[boreal wagon]

yes

[hoary jacinth]

I guess nobody knows, K thanks for the response.

[undone plover]

ok i will clear first 2 maps

[whole crypt]

gear?

[cobalt rapids]

pretty standard
only hedge on laffii because i was banking on lion for asw ( altho it turned out to be quite the rngfest )

[whole crypt]

see that's the thing I tried Lion mob it didn't quite work out for me

[mortal loom]

Didn’t work for me either

[grim flax]

has anyone cook up a low cost 16-4 farming fleet yet
or do we have to bite the bullet and settle with spending 400ish oil per Fujinami attempt

[gilded carbon]

No. You have to wait until rerun

[mortal loom]

Yes, hold on let me finish

[cobalt rapids]

i tried various combination between raffii and lion + 2 cvs

[rapid summit]

How much oil has it been costing you guys for 16-4? Curious to know

[cobalt rapids]

my raffii kinda choked when it came to the last recon nodes

[grim flax]

78 per mob for 5 mobs plus 84 for boss
not counting sub call and sub movement cost

[rapid summit]

Honestly thought it would be more ngl

[whole crypt]

I tried Lion/Cowpens/Uni
Raf/Cownpens/Independence
Raf/Cowpens/Aquila
Raf/Cowpens/Zuihou
none of them survived 0 ammo by the third fight

[grim flax]

it's cheaper than world 15 since you don't have to fight that many mob fleets before the boss

[red sapphire]

Is it safe to spend gold torp plates to +13 quad mags? Or is there anything better?

[mortal loom]

Use this, needs safe sea
Use top fleet to do everything, bottom fleet is purely cross fleet
You can swap F8F for F4U, but BR810 is not negotiable
Second fleet comp is also somewhat not negotiable

[cobalt rapids]

yea zuihou was a no go
volga was decent but main was losing too much hp
raffii was better on ammo than lion ( like fleet was way healthier ) but once i got ooa and no subs even with eldr there were too many leaking subs

[rapid summit]

What’s the name of this website? Been trying to find it for a long time lowk forgot