gameplay-help

[true zenith]

champy gun -> tenrais for prototype core shop?
i basically only have starter gear

[whole crypt]

PRs can be faster, Anchorage in comparison

[rigid onyx]

laffy 2 is broken and also encroaches on what guam is good at somewhat

[whole crypt]

Plymouth also less likely to be replaced

[cobalt robin]

how many hvars do i need for full uss fleet?

[ocean terrace]

Oh yeah I've done Roon and Ancho is almost done researching, Monarch will be my filler for Ply soon

[rigid onyx]

ply oh this conversation is useless you can probably coin ply in a month

[whole crypt]

you can probably coin Plymouth in 2 months' time

[ocean terrace]

By then I should have FDG done

[crimson glacier]

damn thats a valuable one

[cobalt robin]

im close to my 3rd fuck this

[rigid onyx]

maybe theyll finally give fs5 to more drs

[whole crypt]

for your case now, if you're not working on Agir/Hakuryuu then yes FdG should be done by then

[rigid onyx]

4 is enough tbh

[cobalt robin]

not for me

[whole crypt]

the absolute minimum is 2

[ocean terrace]

Yeah faction tech is my biggest problem for HMS and IJN atm

[woven star]

Have feelings 6 will be perfect number

[ocean terrace]

IB I can do Divergent Chessboard and we just had a USS event

[whole crypt]

we don't have a carrier that uses 3 and the best third ship after Yorktown II and Lexington II uses either 1 or 0 rocketcats

5 is fine for the comp as we know it, 2 is the minimum for gear req on Kearsarge and Yorktown II

[woven star]

York2, lex2,Fritz- 6

[whole crypt]

but that's worse than using Kear/Lion

[late flame]

i just slap bfg on them lol

[cobalt robin]

at 160k and 22 prints for 3rd

[whole crypt]

like I get it you want 6 for 2 each on 3 carriers but the top comp that uses it now doesn't use 6

[heavy crag]

when will you able to exchange pr6 ship blueprint with gold? when pr9 ships come out?

[whole crypt]

should be shortly after PR9 release

wait 6?

[crimson glacier]

did pr6 have anything good

[rigid onyx]

harbin stupid

[heavy crag]

yeah cause i ran out of grils to spend gold on
asking when 6 is available

[whole crypt]

for the sake of the current conversation Kearsarge

[crimson glacier]

isnt that 5

[whole crypt]

Harbin is 5

[tulip tinsel]

Has anyone ever calculated which vanguard is the tankiest? Like best meat shield or something

[rigid onyx]

shimanto

[wind hazel]

next month ish

[crimson glacier]

right shimanto is pretty good

[rigid onyx]

depends on content

[whole crypt]

I can't ever remember what the coin schedule is for PR

[wind hazel]

/ehp

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

List of vanguard ships by tankiness by mebot

[cobalt robin]

napoli prolly

[crimson glacier]

crazy how much less research feels to matter now

[whole crypt]

eHP chart is a thing but straight up durability is not very useful without context of what you need it for

[crimson glacier]

now that we get constant UR spam

[rigid onyx]

laffy 2 is tankier than napoli in w15, but less tanky in meta fights usually

[tulip tinsel]

Im just bored and want to look at stats

[woven star]

Fleet tech anyway. Monarch, Izuma +2 Fp... even if ship suck yourself

[whole crypt]

research takes more time than a gacha rainbow, unless the ship fits some utility or niche it's basically just glossed over

[rigid onyx]

new players have to choose like 2 ships a year to not mlb + 1 for every perma ur they mlb

[wind hazel]

other than pvp, the columns are provided for different context

[slow fox]

Questions like this keep me going

[wind hazel]

going to where?

[crimson glacier]

cool now tell me if i should use 2x hp or rudder on the new ur dd

[wind hazel]

hp

[crimson glacier]

damn he didnt even get a chance

[wind hazel]

i am extension of mebot

[woven star]

Almost no dd who wants Rudder aik

[wind hazel]

like 2 of them, even so is that really true? rudder than toolkit on felix otto

[slow fox]

rudder DDs mentioned

[whole crypt]

MoriGPT extension of MeGPT?

[rapid summit]

Is Plymouth a good ship to use? Heard good things about her

[wind hazel]

only on Sunday evenings

[tulip tinsel]

buffs flagship bb iirc

[rigid onyx]

ply good

[late flame]

-# i totally read it as ply is a good ship only on sunday evenings

[whole crypt]

so the higher above 1 the more they want rudder13 + 550 than toolkit + 550?

[rigid onyx]

its the ratio so yeah

[wind hazel]

more dd benefit from rudder than i thought

[fossil jolt]

#al-general message

[rigid onyx]

i mean 10 of them are less than 1%

[wind hazel]

but at the same time the number isn't that significant enough i guess? other than the top 2 or 3

[fossil jolt]

I was told to put this here

[crimson glacier]

by who? voices in your head?

[fossil jolt]

By @warped acorn

[crimson glacier]

so random nobody

[wind hazel]

there's only one correct answer

[warped acorn]

what the hell

[rigid onyx]

its true

[warped acorn]

i mean, he shall know its a joke overall,

[rigid onyx]

azur lane is serious business

[warped acorn]

thanks for a daily tips

[knotty jolt]

[vestal knoll]

Hello any tips for fast research on exp farming?

[rapid shard]

12-1 or 12-4 nonstop

[wind hazel]

can do mvp rigging for faster grind

[vestal knoll]

I am farming exp for iron blood, and tulipa

[rapid shard]

For the PR/DR xp task?

[vestal knoll]

Yes

[rapid shard]

Triple line of that faction for required side (Main or vanguard)

[wind hazel]

it really doesn't get faster than grinding at chapter 12

[trail dagger]

Is there any benefit for ships from being equal level or having level advantage against enemy?

[wind hazel]

you deal more damage, you receive less damage

[vestal knoll]

But is it ok if all my vanguard is max level?

[rapid shard]

They still gain xp even being max (for task that is)

[wind hazel]

yes but not ideal. raise new ships if possible

[vestal knoll]

Is the exp will be counted

Thanks thanks i thought i need a fresh ship to gain exp

[trail dagger]

Oh nice, then having level 125 is really needed for hard content

[vestal knoll]

Thats why i am using my weak units

[rapid shard]

Yes, the bigger the gap (being under) the more dmg you take and they deal.

[wind hazel]

it will give you the advantage/close the disadvantage yeah

[woven star]

Find some ships for fleet tech points and rise them instead of max lvl ships

[south sequoia]

Hey we have a week more before this event goes away right? I still have to buy the prints from shop even tho im 57k points deep in lol

[wind hazel]

2

[rapid shard]

3 week total event

[south sequoia]

Oh 2 more weeks thats nice

[woven star]

Until 5th(?) 7th

[onyx flame]

7th jan

[forest palm]

typically you can just look at event banner and it'll tell you the end date of these things...

[rapid shard]

reading is hard okay

[kind steeple]

Is impero or thicond smth better 😭

My head hurts from trying to figure out what ship to level up and is the best in the use

🫩 i wish there was auto select for the formation

[rapid shard]

Thicond?

[wind hazel]

tico, EU CV

[kind steeple]

Ticonderiga

[wind hazel]

both are useable, but you might have better CV than them

[whole crypt]

both are kind of meh, chances are your best option now is neither of those carriers

[onyx flame]

Like cowpen if they been pulling

[kind steeple]

💔

[rapid shard]

Thought thats what you meant but had to make sure lol

[whole crypt]

if you want to level them just because they're your only gold carriers you really want to be leveling something else first

[kind steeple]

Sigh

[whole crypt]

welcome to the complicated game full of shiny traps

[onyx flame]

If you have cowpen she a better option then both

[atomic solstice]

c3/5 best for auto-search w/ leftover ap yea?

[rapid shard]

Yes

[cobalt robin]

good milk

[kind steeple]

Any advice on whuch is best🫩

And im broke so i cant limitbreak

[woven star]

Oh

[onyx flame]

Not using unicorn

[kind steeple]

486 coins

[kind steeple]

Is unicorn good?

[onyx flame]

Well first thing first is lexi2 get bench cause you prob cant mlb her

[woven star]

At least best ship that you have

[tulip tinsel]

One of the best ship after retrofit

[kind steeple]

💔isnt she like the best one i have

[tulip tinsel]

Useless if you can't MLB her

[onyx flame]

If you cant mlb they are not good

Someone send the mlb pic i dont got it on hand

[kind steeple]

[onyx flame]

Anyway read these
https://azurlaneecgc.com/newbie_tips/
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide/

[kind steeple]

[onyx flame]

You dont have to follow the guide fleet specifically but you definitly have to drop the ur and some sr

[kind steeple]

I think im just gonna go back to using rarity as a guide

[whole crypt]

enjoy finding out when a lower rarity ship outperforms a higher rarity one

[kind steeple]

Cool = strong trust

[onyx flame]

Anyway someone cook a fleet for them, mobile is pain and im not super smart rn

[kind steeple]

[woven star]

Unicorn and Ticonderoga might best main ships that you have now. Question what BB to choose. I would left on California for a while but mlb them all

[whole crypt]

it's less of Tico being better and more of she's already wasted one bulin

[kind steeple]

[whole crypt]

at this point I'd just stick with Suruga for BB as well for similar reasons

[kind steeple]

Ehat bout warspite

[forest palm]

judging by screens they're just wasting bulins in general by spreading them out....

[whole crypt]

yep

Warspite is 🚮
she's mediocre if you waste a lot of resources to retrofit her and get her augment

[kind steeple]

So i should just focus on single best ship and not a average lvl?

[whole crypt]

honestly I'd just drop Ticonderoga and wait for Lex II and level Suruga/Unicorn

stop raising Eugen for now Tallinn is a much better tank

[forest palm]

for someone in the early game they need to strictly stick to 6 ships, use bulins to MLB 1 ship at a time, spreading resources only hurts

[kind steeple]

[whole crypt]

vanguard use Tallinn, L'domp and buy Helena from guild shop

[woven star]

Just don't chase for all sr ships at same time. Better choose one and fully limit brake her (mlb)

0lb ship vs mlb ships near 1/3 damage and survivability

[kind steeple]

So uh which should i mlb first

[tropic tusk]

Who should I MLB I can do 2.
Got all of them

William also not yet mlb don't know why she not here

[wind hazel]

pretty much depends on what you wanna focus on, campaign or bossing

[tropic tusk]

I have completed campaign so bossing I guess

[wind hazel]

by got all of them does that include guam laffey2?

[whole crypt]

if you're filtering by can be LB'd she could be too low level so not actually applicable for LB

[forest palm]

would be nice of you to not omit all your URs

[tropic tusk]

Yes

[wind hazel]

then yk2 and willy

[tropic tusk]

I see

[tropic tusk]

Ok

[wind hazel]

then 404, unzen, raff, mog

[tropic tusk]

U mean U want to see all?

[forest palm]

at this point no

[wind hazel]

i mean it's pointless to see, when you said you have everything

[tropic tusk]

cause if I show all , as U can see they also lvl 120 so it will be a mess

[whole crypt]

for the record it's more helpful that way, we can also see your DRs which may affect team formation

since DRs can't be LB'd and don't show up here even if they're incomplete

[tropic tusk]

All research mlb beside the useless ones , the pr8 elf is like 30bp away

Nvm all pr8 complete

[analog tendon]

Does the Hard Arbiter have partial rewards for % of hp dealt?

[analog tendon]

Guess tomorrow i'll get my fleets wrecked to hopefully get at least the 75% rewards

[undone plover]

make sure u get enough adapts

[analog tendon]

That's the only thing that is not a problem XD
Does it have the "weakness exposed" too?

[rain bobcat]

no

[undone plover]

the weakness expose thing is b.s afaik

even on arbiters it doesnt actually work

[analog tendon]

Fleet 4, you have just been spared your usual ass-whooping

[vocal heart]

Can anyone tell me about the fleets for chapter 14 in hard?

[undone plover]

we still dont have a a full guide/rec

what worked best for me was
lion + raffaello + unicorn
laffey + shimanto + eldridge

soyuz hakuhou amagi
napoli unzen plymouth

[rain bobcat]

wait yuki is only 97% with aug?

[undone plover]

i think if I do it again i would use z52 instead of eldridge and eldridge in boss instead of unzen maybe
but boss fleet was a bit random for me tbh maybe someone has a better fleet

[vocal heart]

ok thanks, but do you know when the guide for chapter 14 in hard will be released?

[whole crypt]

mechanically it's the same thing as 14 anyway besides slot/stat reqs and no subs on our side

[undone plover]

i am not sure tbh
the usual guide makers might be busy these few weeks

read the ch14 guide by suchi https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-detailed
it is the same thing just more difficult

check back in a week or so maybe we will have a guide by then
there are some vidoes on youtube that show the full fights but they dont really explain the fleet compositions and requirements

[warped acorn]

is shimanto good for opsi

[wind hazel]

there are better picks

[warped acorn]

o, is there a opsi shipgirl list for good or bad

[wind hazel]

no but the area that shimanto excels at, isn't an issue in opsi

[south sequoia]

i forgot did we have any dr fs5 this year

[wind hazel]

no

[analog tendon]

Between Champy and Flandre guns, is one of the two better suited for boss/mob fleet or are they so close it doesn't matter?

[onyx flame]

They are both for med/heavy bosses mob works if they are med/heavy but its not ideal

[forest palm]

which ever fits your needs

[hallow spoke]

Mori, I finished retrofitting my unicorn

[rain bobcat]

agir fs5 where

[cobalt robin]

soon trust

[vestal yoke]

Hey guys, fresh player here, I made a team consisting of penny,unicorn,Joffre,Portland,luffey, and Helena is that team good?

[hollow gust]

thats fine

[vestal yoke]

should I be focusing on just the campaign for now? also what about the the event? I heard you can get a free UR

[silent bluff]

Which augment for yorktown2 and Lexington 2?

[hollow gust]

there are a set of missons you can do to get currency for the UR but IDK if your ships can even do event rn

[rain bobcat]

just make sure the first one who fires has scepter

[hollow gust]

just permmantly use scepter on everyone, Crossbow rarely procs

[silent bluff]

Noted, thanks

[whole crypt]

isn't it hunter bow

it doesn't do anything in most cases but the AA cope exists

[polar linden]

guys... why i can't buy more UR table from the shop?

[hollow gust]

Capped at 2

[true lichen]

Is the merit from excercising good for anything? Or should i just buy bulins

[inland shoal]

It's very good for buying bulins

There's also some limited ships in there, but none that are particularly worth it

[true lichen]

I was hoping there was something more lol

[polar linden]

i haven't brought any thou... all my UR table is from Vanguard event and Rerun

[inland shoal]

So you have 2. It's capped at 2

[hollow gust]

Your global count is capped at 2

[polar linden]

oh i see

sad

[inland shoal]

I think all the items from that particular shop work like that

[polar linden]

still sad

[ivory sigil]

60k pts in event but still only 21plane BPs, should i continue till get the plane or even 70k+ pts?

[inland shoal]

At that point I'd just finish the plane

[hallow spoke]

I only did a few sorties....

And they're exhausted br

[silent bluff]

Is the handbook worth the grind?

And is it permanent?

[onyx flame]

Handbook is perma do it whenever

[trim depot]

is the cruise pass the best value

[rain bobcat]

the value of cruise pass has always been subjective because of the skin

[trim depot]

then what else besides the cruise pass has good value

[wind hazel]

double gem packs, trade license, if you're new then lv70 booster pack

mostly double gem packs best value

[trim depot]

is the lv 70 one still worth it if im 54 rn?

[onyx flame]

[wind hazel]

nah, loses value the higher your level is

[trim depot]

w list

[rapid tusk]

Can someone explain what this Research Academy is for?

[wind hazel]

it's to get ship blueprints and gear blueprints

[rapid tusk]

Ok so should I keep just doing random ones lol?

I'm still in early stages of the game

[wind hazel]

research focus series 8, and uh, gimme a min i go dig something

^research to pick. if you're rich in coin then you can pick D or G researches too

relevant info guide

[rapid tusk]

Ok and what's the research selection page all about?

[wind hazel]

which one

[rapid tusk]

All of them just in general

[peak fable]

well, what do you want to know

[knotty jolt]

If you're referring to which PR to do have it selected to 8 but if you're referring to the catchups

[wind hazel]

might be easier for you to just read through these
https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus/
https://azurlaneecgc.com/research/

[onyx flame]

samheart research guide should get a quick update someday

[wind hazel]

massive overhaul soon

[onyx flame]

will it account for when pr6 and dr5 coining comes

[whole crypt]

Soon™

[cobalt robin]

i need 10 more SN points for nahki and these are the only main fleet ships i can i have for her cdc

[onyx flame]

i mean just mlb volga you need backliners for exp anyway

[cobalt robin]

any elite main fleets in merit shop? (im cucked by gold bullins)

[wind hazel]

a few

from shop in general

[onyx flame]

gangut is one

[cobalt robin]

i got 2 gold bullins to my name

i got littorio in shop rn but gold ship

[summer patio]

In general, how do I make a good fleet? What are the criterias? Is there a good video or post explaining it?

[wind hazel]

it depends on the content you're tackling. some ships that are good for certain content might be bad for the other content, so yeah. what's constant is unicorn is the best main healer, the rest may differ

[onyx flame]

ya if its backliner you still need gangut from merit shop, if its just SN faction tech there also gromky, Soobrazitelny

[whole crypt]

just LB Volga that'll give you a ship to grind and the 10 points

[onyx flame]

yea that too plus good 120 tech

[whole crypt]

using less ships is fine if you don't have 3

it's just longer

[wind hazel]

just grab guilio or conte, they both give important tech anyway

[onyx flame]

they needed specifically SN tech

[summer patio]

But what is the main structure for a fleet? Like what roles do ships have? Healer, tank, damage dealer, utilities and whatmore?

[cobalt robin]

only 10

[wind hazel]

mlb volga will get that, im talking about the 3rd ship to grind the exp

[onyx flame]

ah yea then prob snipe conte for that bb rld tech

[cobalt robin]

merit shop?

[wind hazel]

in general you want your mob fleet to have a BB, healer which is unicorn, off flag CV or BB, a main tank for vanguard, and dps/buffer on the other 2. boss fleet is the same minus healer, you just go full dps

and again this will change depending on the content you're doing

[summer patio]

Thank you!!! :)))

[onyx flame]

yea or you could go try your luck in war archive thou the event stage kinda

[cobalt robin]

im still doing event currently for 2 more hvars

[wind hazel]

get guilio from guild shop

giulio, fuck this name

[onyx flame]

tbh their still missing the np faction tech anyway so might as well just wait for merit shop rotataion, also monthly reset soon so yay new sr bulins ™

[wind hazel]

what

isnt he just 10 points off? mlbing volga will give more than 10 for nakh isnt it? am i reading it wrong

[cobalt robin]

somehow she isnt new i mightve retired her or sum

[onyx flame]

yea but no sr bulins from what they said

[cobalt robin]

well i got 2

[wind hazel]

another 1 tomorrow, then do pvp and you'll get merit for more

[cobalt robin]

in couple days i can buy from medal

[onyx flame]

oh yea weekly reset to another sr bulin

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide

[cobalt robin]

oh wait im stupid i accidentally clicked on favorites i have way more

[wind hazel]

[viscid swift]

People always seem to forget this exists

[wind hazel]

so that's why she isnt new

[cobalt robin]

oops

[onyx flame]

how are you short on np faction lmao you got more main fleet than i do

[cobalt robin]

i dont even know 😔

[safe wagon]

how to know which vanguard ships are good for chapters 1-12?

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide

[vestal yoke]

is it possible for a fresh account to grind out william D.porter before the event ends?

[whole crypt]

there's still like 10 days shouldn't be too much of an issue

the bottom line is the first copy is fairly cheap and you should be able to afford it

[cobalt robin]

friend who started a week ago did it so you should be fine

[vestal yoke]

what do you get event tokens most for? event stage stars?

[whole crypt]

the most of it comes from just repeating the event stages, a lot

that said you won't be paying for the 100 vouchers for WDP completely out of pocket with event points

there's a bunch of missions you can do that will give you vouchers too

[cobalt robin]

plus daily vouchers

[whole crypt]

you will get less as a newer player without access to SP

but hitting vouchers for first copy should be a non-issue if you start now

yeh G7ek just doesn't work for wolfpack

[cobalt robin]

is it any good?

[whole crypt]

maybe for mobbing on fishpack?

but that's moot outside of 14/15

[turbid dawn]

Thanks for the help yesterday, finally managed to full clear all HMs, the sponsorship certifcate carried a lot in 14-3

[cobalt robin]

ill stick to my mark 20s for now then

[crimson glacier]

so the rainbow is too slow for the low oxy subs?

or whats up

[whole crypt]

yeh it's too slow for wolfpack

[whole crypt]

overall it's just easier to do bidders

[stone sluice]

I guess we are getting new good submarines next year

[heavy zealot]

Hmmm, is yorktown meta good? Like, should i farm -

[whole crypt]

i404 not good enough for you?

[whole crypt]

there's not much to farm with showdown metas, you do it or you don't, mostly for the point ladder rewards, and you raise the ships if the tech is worth it

[cobalt robin]

ur ib sub

[heavy zealot]

I mean, is the unit strong or nah?

[whole crypt]

she's no exception to the METAs meh convention

[heavy zealot]

Oh

[stone sluice]

More than enough. But I think guess we are getting more like her.

[onyx flame]

you should try and get 1 copy at least anyway, since she does give pretty rld tech at 120 and she doest take dock space

that and she's basically free

[whole crypt]

clearing up showdown METAs is just a matter of doing it consistently daily alongside your OS grind

[onyx flame]

and spamming enough request aid to clear 15

btw for showdowns when does the extra barrage to help clear start showing up

[whole crypt]

after 30 days or something

[onyx flame]

hmm guess helena proc 3 times or something my dmg is higher than normal

[whole crypt]

it also does less damage when you first get it and scales up with time

ultimately it should always add around 100k-ish as long as you don't die before it goes off

[peak fable]

will ectl ever be updated again, its been over 3 months or is that normal

[whole crypt]

we don't know and the tiers aren't useful anyway

[peak fable]

the tiers are somewhat useful for new players, even if it's just for a bit, cause AL is pretty overwhelming for starters. You can't just go for URs at the start and often happen to have too few high tier gold ships to progress without difficulty on top of already lacking tremendous amount of resources to be fail proof, in case you go for the less helpful choices

[whole crypt]

it's actually bad for new players

we have newbie guides for that

[forest palm]

there's a lot that is debatably wrong with ECTL's tier

[whole crypt]

ECTL's tiers are mainly pointing to a midgame that can be managed with fewer resources than the higher tier ships the list recommends and the gear recc doesn't include poverty that most newer players will need

early game you use a lot of ships that are just low tier on ECTL

[arctic aspen]

is jintsuu meta the only meta showdown still?

[whole crypt]

and they carry you fine through midgame

[peak fable]

yeah but the newbie guides are just "here are these 6 ships that will get you to world 12", and while that is half of the work, I think it lacks a lot of guidance in the early to mid game progression, as in what to do in the inbetween stages of "well I have these ships, what next". Basically, what you do between getting the good ships and the starter ships for farming your way through the game.

[whole crypt]

Jintsuu META is long over are you stuck in dossier

[soft raft]

We're currently on Yorktown META
iirc Jinitsuu META has been added to Dossier for a while now

[arctic aspen]

I know

[whole crypt]

ECTL also lacks guidance of what to do for early to mid progression

[soft raft]

ECTL's own guide is also outdated

[arctic aspen]

I'm asking if she's the only BiS meta ship

[soft raft]

that did not sound like that at all if imma be real with you

[whole crypt]

Jintsuu META isn't even a BiS ship for anything anymore

[cobalt robin]

those are only ''example fleets'' as long its unicorn +5 with someone decent to tank w1-12 shouldnt be very difficult

[arctic aspen]

I asked if she was the only meta meta ship

[peak fable]

somewhat agreed tbh lol
that's the part I struggled with the most, so I would like it if there was a resource that actually guides you through that, cause getting to W12 is fairly easy and once you have a few URs and high tier SRs, you won't struggle with much anymore

[whole crypt]

she's a decent META ship but none of them are meta at all now

[arctic aspen]

finally got my answer lol, dang

[soft raft]

Yes but that could've been interperted as her being the only META Showdown present but fuck it I digress

[arctic aspen]

guess I'll look into pvp meta again

oh wait I missed Essex upgrade...

[whole crypt]

she left top PvP meta, the only place she might be useful is some niche odd torp comps

[arctic aspen]

sure hope she isn't OP

[whole crypt]

she isn't

[soft raft]

Essex Retro is allright

At least you only have to wait until next August for her retro item to rerun

[arctic aspen]

I had to wait for Eldridge item rerun cuz I didn't realize it was in the event shop lmao

[soft raft]

event shop? What

[arctic aspen]

or event, whatever

[whole crypt]

I used to say ECTL is bad but it's the only remotely useful resource out there, then the updates got less frequent and a bunch of other folks got more serious with guides. by a bunch I mean mostly stig

[soft raft]

Pretty sure nearly all of the contributers to ECTL left
like maybe 2 or 3 are left

[plain saffron]

dedgaem

[arctic aspen]

what to use now?

[whole crypt]

it's pretty much just rice

[arctic aspen]

maybe pass the torch to a new gang?

[whole crypt]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/progression-guide/
https://azurlaneecgc.com/newbie_tips/

[arctic aspen]

oh hail gnaw not github

[plain saffron]

why with github

[whole crypt]

what's wrong with github

[onyx flame]

ectl is also on github lmao

[plain saffron]

it's free website hosting, nothing is wrong

well technically not all free

[ivory sigil]

-# what's github jk

[plain saffron]

it's a hub for git, hope this help

[arctic aspen]

well it doesn't look like GitHub, I assumed this one did

[plain saffron]

something.github.io just means it hosted on github pages, the content of course depends on the devs

[arctic aspen]

yeah I learn something new every day, didn't realize they could make GitHub so easy to get around lmao

[ivory sigil]

i manage to get the plane at 65k pts

i should stop? or just do it once daily?

[peak fable]

i mean, now that I'm in the mid game I also prefer Suchi and Jimmy's work, but tbh, they are both pretty elitist, which is fair cause I assume there are only casuals who don't care about meta that much anyway, or veterans who their guides are for. There is just a hole of resources for non-veteran hardcore players, who care about meta, but don't play long enough to have a roster large enough to just have too many good ships, that their resources could keep up. If I look at Suchi's or Jimmy's tiering, some of the ships I am leveling are just ultra useless for endgame content, but I would still like to know their relative strength to each other, so I level the stronger one's first, as that also makes them easier to level.

[whole crypt]

and that's ok because most of your leveling won't happen before you reach ch12

[knotty jolt]

90% of my time playing has been through my own efforts and trial and errors

[whole crypt]

you're going to spend years leveling and waiting for resources in ch12

[knotty jolt]

we love seeing numbers go up

[peak fable]

well, hopefully someone eventually bothers to rank the ships between meta tier and useless tier appropriately to each other like ECTL, just actually accurate (that will probs be a lot harder than just ranking meta tbh)

[whole crypt]

the thing is the "mid ranges" really don't do anything

[plain saffron]

meta depends on which contents

[whole crypt]

the game comes in parts that are either easy enough to just use almost anything you want, and challenging bits you want to throw the top meta at

there's no middle ground where you'd just keep repeating focusing on the middle ships

also this exists https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1624531241#gid=1624531241

[plain saffron]

then there's saratoga 13-4 boss or something

[peak fable]

correct, im just saying that leveling strong ships is way easier than leveling weak ships, it would min-max exp by needing only one or no carries for leveling.
Try to put an Erebus into your W12 fleet lol, unless the rest of your fleet is stacked enough to clear without her, she is just gonna die over and over

[whole crypt]

you don't need a stacked fleet to level Erebus in 12, you need an understanding of the mechanics and gear

[soft raft]

Nah it's quite easy to raise complete doodoo ass on W12 when it's at safe threat lvl, they just gotta be lvl 100 and have decent gear

[whole crypt]

the 👴 have all leveled shitters in 12

[onyx flame]

you dont even need then to be at 100 tbh

[clever reef]

Yo could I get some help on what I should be doing right I have been playing for about an hour and all these menus got me lost 😞

[peak fable]

genuinely, show me you clearing W12 with under lvl 80 ships only and the ships are not allowed to be SR or higher rarity

[soft raft]

Give this a read
https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/newbie_tips/

[onyx flame]

why are you clearing w12 with like under level 80 ships? thats next level handicapping

[clever reef]

Thanks

[peak fable]

because it's more efficient?

[whole crypt]

you can level rares/elites in 12 that's not a problem
why the arbitrary lv80

it's only more efficient if you're using a fleet that can manage it

[onyx flame]

are we talking clearing or level, cause i level with lvl 80 ships

[soft raft]

Dunno why lvl 80 specifically but here's a example
#gameplay-help message

[peak fable]

leveling, clearing you only have to do a few times anyway

[whole crypt]

you can level lv80 ships in 12 but you don't exclusively level lv80 ships

you get some to 100+ then you get the 80 to tag along

then you can swap them around if you want them to reach 120 more evenly

[onyx flame]

plus if your rotating em there usually 1 or 2 lvl 100 + in the fleet to help anyway unless your swapping out whole fleets at once in which case

[peak fable]

yeah, that's what I do usually, the only reason that what I describe even happens, is because of research exp

[whole crypt]

research XP is its own other thing

if you want to do it alongside leveling then you'll need to know how much the ships can handle, which depends on carries and their own levels/gear

and at any one time research only requires three ships at most to contribute to XP, the other 3 slots you're free to bring helpers

[amber heath]

isn't this basically ancient fleet? Cuz like dominant of year 1-2 ships ig (js came back after 739d)

[peak fable]

yes, that's the main issue of mine, or well "issue" in quotation marks, because it's not actually so impairing to me that I am particularly asking for help regarding it, I'm just a min-max demon to the point where I try to level the strongest ships, while not losing exp anywhere, while maximizing research progress and while balancing my resources in a way, that I don't fall behind in any other content like OpSi, cause I don't wanna swap gear off of main stay units.
I just really like min-maxing a lot, who knows, maybe I'll sit down at some point and make an early to mid game guide after you reach W12 and start farming.

[whole crypt]

stig's guide already covers the basics of getting up to ch12

[peak fable]

yeeeh, I mean for after W12

[whole crypt]

there's really not a lot to say

[hollow gust]

[whole crypt]

there's nothing after 12 besides the grind as you gradually gain power to trivialize lategame

[peak fable]

yeah I get that, I just don't like the question of "what do I do, when there is no meta ship to level/gear up rn in my dock?"

[onyx flame]

you level fleet tech ez

[peak fable]

most people will just say "just level a random ship for fleet tech, they are useless anyway"

[hollow gust]

thats just what you do?

[whole crypt]

no because it's extremely unlikely that you have nothing to work on by the time you reach ch12

[plain saffron]

fleet tech

[viscid swift]

Well it's not that easy

[hollow gust]

fleet tech is midend game

[forest palm]

can't always hold your hand for everything....

[whole crypt]

fleet tech is one of the things you do if there's nothing else to level

[viscid swift]

Especially if you lack cross fleets

[whole crypt]

I find it hard to imagine there's nothing else you can grind for at all besides fleet tech at the point you reach 12

[peak fable]

but I like to answer that question with "start with these ships (points at high tier ships), then work yourself down to these ships (points at lower tier ships)".
Like I get it, I know they are useless af, but I do like having it sorted on a priority scale EVEN IF they are useless.

[viscid swift]

But a fleet with an average level somewhere between 90 and 100 can do 12-1 quite easily

[whole crypt]

you don't start with high tier ships if you already have something better that works

like I won't recommend someone to start leveling Owari if their mob BB is Raffaelo

[forest palm]

a few of use here have grinded over 80% of ships in the game to Lv 120

[peak fable]

well what else would they do if they don't got a better ship to level lol

[whole crypt]

that's when you level tech

that's literally the progression

[stone sluice]

I 3 starred the whole w14 with fritz on mob fleet, no fire extinguishers, no torp bulges on boss fleet
Fritz is better than a second healer imo (unless you use Cowpens)

[peak fable]

then why not level owari

[hollow gust]

cause a tierlist is useless without nessesary context? Telling someone to level warspite just because shes higher tier is trolling

[onyx flame]

cause there better tech to focus early one than just fp early on

[peak fable]

so you guys focus on "better tech ships" over "relatively stronger ships"?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[hollow gust]

if you arent using the relatively strong ship whats the point?

[whole crypt]

also if you save the stronger ships for later they're easier to level than other tech fodder

[viscid swift]

A ship is either useful to me or they are tech

[onyx flame]

if the 'relatively stronger ship' doesnt improve my fleet then i can only judge em by fleet tech

[whole crypt]

a relatively stronger ship that's not going to see action is no better than a tech fodder ship

[hollow gust]

Most the best tech in the game are all fodder from commons to elites

[whole crypt]

well not all, most

[onyx flame]

the power of rld

[forest palm]

there are only so many common ships with actual good tech

[hollow gust]

You know what's the most influential vanguard tech in the game? Fp on DDs , guess how many of that comes from fodder ironblood DDs

[peak fable]

well my thought process only revolved around ease of leveling.
I didn't consider too much that the even tech has a priority order to it.

Okay question then, what is the tech priority, like what stats do I go for first? No brainer to max the faction fleet tech, I mean for the individual ships.

[viscid swift]

That's an debate

Reload and hit first for main fleets then FP/AVI

For vanguards it's cruiser Eva then fp

[whole crypt]

if you want to consider ease of leveling you should definitely level shitters alongside good ships

so you don't end up leveling only shitters in the end regardless of what tech they bring

[peak fable]

yeh, that's what I try to do as well

(otherwise I would have never put Erebus into W12 LOL)

[viscid swift]

I've leveled 3 BMs at once

[peak fable]

makes sense, so where do people debate about this?

[forest palm]

vanguard tech

[peak fable]

my condolences

[viscid swift]

Just don't be afraid to use defensive auxiliaries on your main fleet

[onyx flame]

~~the powerful comp of neveda, oklahoma, langley ~~

[hollow gust]

So much of main fleet rld and hit comes from absolute shitter , you don't ignore them just because they are harder to level

Which is why tierlist becomes useless a fuck as a focus

[forest palm]

if you have the gear, leveling really shouldn't be an issue in world 12

[whole crypt]

there's no debate, we just know at this point because

1. RLD is needed to meet specific timings and breakpoints for boss encounters
2. per point HIT is more directly impactful to boss damage than per point damage stat

[hollow gust]

W12 on safe is more then weak enough to level them up at lvl100

Toss them into dorm till sufficient level , then it's just auto

[peak fable]

that's a good explanation, thanks

[forest palm]

you can grind Lv 90's in 12-1

[onyx flame]

i grind lvl 80s in 12-1, thou its not a full fleet of em

[silver lintel]

Idk 12-4 is just better cos ammo node

[viscid swift]

This is why you don't use XP packs on ships you can grind levels with

[whole crypt]

I use XP packs because I have too many

[viscid swift]

Because once you have a fleet grinding w12 you should immediately start getting the next set of ships ready with XP packs and the dorm

And once that set is done the next, and the next, etc

You should always have another ship ready to slot in as soon as one shop gas reached 120

[peak fable]

I try to throw a lvl 70 ship in the middle of my vanguard whenever I can, and if I have CLs I usually bring sub 80 Main fleet, after lvl 90 there usually are no problems for any ship if I have them geared

[peak fable]

yup, that's essentially what i do

[whole crypt]

shop gas

[forest palm]

this is kind of why you don't need much hand holding most of what you need to do or will want to do will just come natural

[peak fable]

Yeahhh, sometimes I wish I was more like the people who comment under ship acquisition screen.
Unfortunately I am a bit in love with being hyper efficient :3

[whole crypt]

if you like being efficient this is a great place to ask if you have any questions

[peak fable]

well I already learned a lot from the conversation just now, so thanks everyone

[whole crypt]

damn Momo is so much more consistent than Kurumi even without the 5 levels

[ivory sigil]

imma note the pic

so i should mlb them asap? oops

[onyx flame]

there no real need to note the pic just use aldb fleet tech tracker

[peak fable]

saving this one as well, I coincidentally happen to have leveled or am actively leveling like 70% of those ships LOL

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker

it's easier to update if you start tracking earlier

or be like me don't track until you're closer to the goal than to the start

[onyx flame]

very real i been trying to update mine and my kms and eu tech is off

[peak fable]

oh damn, I completely forget that meta ships give solid fleet tech bonuses as well

[whole crypt]

where are T3 META skill books from again, META shop exclusive?

[hollow gust]

pretty sure

[kindred bloom]

Does someone know if you still can get the item to retrofit essex?

[forest palm]

you cannot

[onyx flame]

gotta wait till next en anni

[rapid grail]

does this item function without putting biszwei as flagship?

[kindred bloom]

🙁

[viscid swift]

Pretty sure it does

[hushed delta]

does it work on Zwei though?

[atomic abyss]

it does

[plain saffron]

i'm legally allowed to say now that it does on both bis and u556 meta/zwei

[ocean terrace]

oh datamines are unbanned?

[undone plover]

yeah read the first pin

was this event archived? or any mentions of it yet?

[onyx flame]

hasnt rerun yet

[whole crypt]

it hasn't reran but it's also a weird format so wait for it™

[undone plover]

[whole crypt]

it's a raid but it's also not a raid

[undone plover]

do u remember what pool the event was?

[forest palm]

Attilio, Gorizia, and Andra

[undone plover]

no i mean the overall pool
was it light or heavy?

[whole crypt]

it's never light unless it's CNY

it's an event pool based on my guess would be heavy

[undone plover]

zuihou and marseillaises were light pool iirc

[atomic abyss]

zuihou was DIRECTLY in the special pool

not an event pool

not sure about marseille

[forest palm]

Marsei is a weird case

[undone plover]

yeah wiki has info it was limited i guess it is 2 coobs

[kindred arrow]

Gorizia event was heavy pool iirc

[whole crypt]

Marseillaise's event also only had 1 ship

[rose whale]

Can bb fleet work for 14 hard mode bosses?

[whole crypt]

you're stuck with at least 1 CV regardless, what sort of BB fleet are you thinking

[rose whale]

Something like mu lion agir hindy

To handle the boats

[whole crypt]

mu?

[wind hazel]

musashi

[rose whale]

Musashi

[whole crypt]

well yes you can go 2 BBs

[polar lion]

Does I404 xfleet trigger even if we don't use sub support?

[whole crypt]

yes

[polar lion]

Noice

[whole crypt]

it's not much, but you can stack it if you want, wherever you can actually send subs

[whole crypt]

you can, I'm just not exactly sure of the necessity, also I don't think Agir has too much to offer in that department while being more vulnerable to torps than a bunch of other tank picks

[rose whale]

Who else can I pick for tank slot? I tried two cvs but they are not geared enough

[whole crypt]

Napoli's tankier if just for bulk, I'd think Brest, Guam and GL are still valid picks

[polar lion]

Porter xfleet is basically just one time preload?

[whole crypt]

5s after a fleet this ship is NOT in starts a battle, if this ship is afloat: performs a Lv.1 (Lv.10) supporting attack (DMG is based on the skill's level).

[rose whale]

Thx, i just have 1st win with agir. Time to try napoli

[whole crypt]

a bit of it is just watching the screen and resetting if you take a bad hit

[hollow plank]

hello! what are the best 3 subs to use overall and together? THanks!

[whole crypt]

Flasher/Archerfish/I-404

[hallow spoke]

How much morale does one sortie even take

[whole crypt]

2 per fight, more penalty if ship sinks

[hallow spoke]

And how much is max morale?

[hollow plank]

Thanks!
And for the ones I have? any nice possible combo here ? 👀

[whole crypt]

new ships start at 150, natural regen stops at 119 if not in dorm/dorm adjacent event stuff

[whole crypt]

what chapter/content are you trying to use them in now or just looking for subs to level

[hallow spoke]

All of mine are so low I swear, they're in like 30s

My sandy is at 4 bru and it's taking forever to recover

[tulip tinsel]

natural regen is really slow if you grind with that ship

[hallow spoke]

Yea so I'ma throw them in dorm

[whole crypt]

natural regen without dorm and oath is like 20/hour

[hollow plank]

uhm for event I guess or future world 13? opsi? stuff like that. i just put any random sub and waondered if there was a good combination. so any tip would be great! 😄 or if htere's like an "all rounder" team so I don't hjave to keep switching XD

(i can do just until 12-4 normal)

[cloud panther]

whats good fleet tech to use for the clear mode 14H?

[whole crypt]

you don't really need subs for 13

[sweet delta]

max

[whole crypt]

Flasher's coming back with Guam rerun next month so good luck with that one, can use with Albacore and Cavalla for the time being I guess, not a whole lot of rush really

[hollow plank]

got it. Thanks! so basically for now, just raise affinity for any sub i like? no going wrong there or wasting time just until flasher comes back?

[whole crypt]

stig would Flasher/Albacore/LdV be better than using Cav?

[sweet delta]

leo should be better than a faction buffed cavalla

[whole crypt]

@hollow plank

[hollow plank]

Gotcha thank you! 😄 i'll level leonardo then 😄

[whole crypt]

or just don't use/raise any subs at all

Albacore and LdV should be ok to raise first I guess

[hollow plank]

you mean completely remove it from like the event or something to save on oil? it doesn't consuime oil for subs right? : O

[whole crypt]

subs cost oil if you summon them in a fight
if you don't summon them they don't gain XP and affinity

[hollow plank]

oh, rip. okay thank you!

[whole crypt]

just throw them in when you grind on 12

using subs in events is generally just a waste of oil

[hollow plank]

ahh okay thanks! i'll remove them then 😄

[knotty jolt]

you can technically leave them in, just dont have auto call in enabled

[cloud panther]

leave affinity gain 90-100 during events like this one

[whole crypt]

or better yet wait for raids

but any affinity gain while leveling is fair game, usual events are just poor efficiency in that regard

[cloud panther]

on like traditional 12 or 13 that last fight with no bullets, sure send in sub for the 3* fight

[whole crypt]

if you're leveling them and getting affinity just set them on autodeploy and forget about it

[ebon verge]

i just noticed they added AFCT to core data shop

[white agate]

rising affinity to 200 is hell

[polar lion]

Which stat has moar benefit on subs? 10 Torp or 2 Acc?

[knotty jolt]

Accuracy really doesn't matter for subs if we're talking about meowfficers

Best stuff would be +RLD and +TRP stats

With the obvious flame perk for +3% damage

[clear harbor]

I have enough event points to buy a second copy of Willy D to save on UR bulin or buy other materials like cog chips and augment crafting supplies. Is one usually better than the other? or does it depend on what i already have in my inventory?

[sweet delta]

why not collect another 10 days of UR vouchers

[white agate]

maybe they malded HVAR too and are at like 120k event points

[clear harbor]

Oh yeah. That makes sense.

[dark hazel]

Do ships have to be mlb to get the level 120 tech, or is that only a req for non URs because of level cap?

[viscid swift]

No

[forest palm]

well SSRs have to be MLB to be 120, but no URs get tech regardless

[viscid swift]

METAs and PRs also fall under that

[twin river]

What I need to do raise lv 10? Go to battle?

[ivory pawn]

Battle, use XP books, stick her in the dorm.

[twin river]

Ah

[knotty jolt]

It's the PR ship equivalent to limit break

[twin river]

Alright got it. Thank you

[eternal basalt]

Exact same levels too, just badly worded.. Odd, I thought they changed that recently

[knotty jolt]

remove the word level next to development so people don't confuse development level and ship level

[cinder kelp]

Hello, does a 3 cv main and Kaza+ Sirius js ok fleet, or better ships can be used instead of Sirius in a 3 cv fleet?

[forest palm]

that core works

[sharp furnace]

For fleet technology, should i focus on units to level 120 for Bonus FP or reload? or something better

[ivory pawn]

Main Fleet: RLD/HIT > FP/AVI > Everything else
Vanguard: FP > CA EVA > Everything else >>>>> ASW

[twilit dew]

Hello friends, what emulator do you guys recommend when playing on PC ?

[forest palm]

actually been toying with the idea of making Vanguard TRP a higher prio, below FP though

[ivory pawn]

I could see it.

[ivory pawn]

I've been using Mumu with few issues.

[lofty thistle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ivory pawn]

Just the occasional crash, though I haven't been using it long.

Haven't had the game become unplayable yet.

[eternal basalt]

Try repair option on the login screen, topright

[lofty thistle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[spark patio]

I have Musashi, Shinano, Lexington 2 and the new DD ship, which should i mlb first rn? i have live 10 bulins rn

[eternal basalt]

Musashi and LexII... although you might pull more LexII during the event

[red sapphire]

How good is Mecklenburg without Zwei?

[spark patio]

nah i think i wont pull any from the event, she already ate my 200 pulls

[ivory pawn]

Still top anti-hvy BB.

[clear harbor]

Is there a way to look up how effective special barrages are against the different armor types?

[red sapphire]

I have her dev 15, should I use her or wait dev 30?

[stark quiver]

Farm her levels to 120+

Only use for actual content at d30

[red sapphire]

Okay, thanks

[eternal basalt]

Better a bulin kept and used later, than having to nuke one recent UR and have 1 less bulin

[soft raft]

D30 is a must
that's the equivalent of MLB for research ships, otherwise they're missing huge chunks of their kit

[eternal basalt]

A full barrage or 33% of damage in BB's cases

[peak fable]

maybe a dumb question but, does the effect activate as well if both conditions are present at the same time?

[red sapphire]

I see. Thanks

[vale spindle]

yes the first part activates if both are true but no stacking its still just 30%

[spark patio]

so keep i pull 1 event everyday?

[eternal basalt]

3 if you got cubes to spare

[peak fable]

I see, on a sidenote, is there any benefit then to using musashi as flagship? not sure if that affects her barrage in some way

[vale spindle]

barrage hits slightly more things if she is flagship but otherwise not that necessary

[tulip tinsel]

in the DDG retrofit menu there's one named main fleet mode, if i unlock it will it make the ddg main fleet only or can it still be put in vanguard?

[vale spindle]

it will make the ddg main fleet only, but if you click it again it switches back to vanguard fleet

so its not a permanent thing

[tulip tinsel]

thanks

[eternal basalt]

BBV

[soft raft]

It's a toggle
but 99.9999% of the time it's pretty much pointless to use them in main fleet mode compared to actual backliners

[spark patio]

alright, is 800+ a safe number now? then i will do 3

[eternal basalt]

Do you have Guam? There are 2 UR's coming, Guam and a new one in feb

[ivory pawn]

800+ is on the low end of safe, but it is safe.

[cerulean field]

how do you earn tech points?

[ivory pawn]

Obtain a ship, MLB a ship, 120 a ship.

[cerulean field]

how many points does it give for each? or is it random

[ivory pawn]

Every ship gives a specific value. Higher rarities and heavier hulls tend to give more. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Gathering_Tech_Points has a list.

[cloud panther]

any cross fleet assist comps for W14?

[eternal basalt]

H or normal?

[cloud panther]

H

normal actually would need the fleet to fight lol

[eternal basalt]

~~And H not? ~~ I guess post-clearing mode?

[red sapphire]

What gun should I use from here? Until I get a better one

[forest palm]

top row second on the right

third row first on the left also works

[red sapphire]

Okay, thanks

[red sapphire]

155? Alright

Both are ok?

[forest palm]

for a BB that uses CL gun secondaries, yes

both the Triple 155, and Triple 152 Mk XXV can be upgraded to very good CL guns later on

[red sapphire]

Yes, I saw neptune can be used to craft plygun now

Thanks

[sweet delta]

a +13 donskoi gun

[rain bobcat]

+13 donskoi is crazy

[white agate]

+13 confetti gun would be even crazier

[forest palm]

it's basic tbh

[left pier]

[red sapphire]

Isn't that ok? Or was a mistake to +13 It?

[weary gust]

That CL gun is awful, yes, it was a mistake.

[lyric stump]

any 14-4h clearing mode fleet recommendation?
use unused character if possible (ones not common in opsi so i dont need to swap gears)

[spark patio]

no, i dont have them

[red sapphire]

I see. Well, happends. Sometimes we all do mistakes. I'm using her as a secondary BB gun where I think It was on the top

I don't plan to use It on a CL so I hope that's fine enought

Wait I just checked here and I use It on Musashi why is actually a mistake?

[atomic abyss]

+13-ing is the issue

[red sapphire]

I see. So the gun is not awful (at least as aux)?

[atomic abyss]

The tldr is

Unless you know what you're doing, don't randomly +13 things

Since the gold plates used for +13-ing are a fairly limited resource

Especially for something as competitive as gun plates

[red sapphire]

Well, plygun wasn't on glab yet and no hint about it so It was literally the best aux I could give to sashi according to this

[atomic abyss]

No the best would have been the 155 Kai in the first row...

[lyric stump]

y not 4152 on w14

[stark quiver]

but its only listed in w14

[atomic abyss]

Because it isn't good enough at suicide boat killing

[lyric stump]

doesnt those has shield? and ap pen shield? no?

[left pier]

they followed the guide that suggests donskoi gun is the 2nd best for rest of campaign. it's not the end of the world

[viscid swift]

well aux guns are pretty much the last thing I'd commit gold plates to among other things

I need to emphasize that the QGG is not a +13 priority guide

[atomic abyss]

The issue is moreso plyguns aren't EXTREMELY good at interception

[lyric stump]

Does this look fine for a w14h clearing mode fleet?

[red sapphire]

I'm on the point I have 0 plyguns and I have to get at least 6 for 3 main and 3 vanguard and swapping gears for opsi so... Could be years until so

[atomic abyss]

No
Where's the unicorn lmao

[lyric stump]

i made total of 10 lmao

[proper violet]

How do I mlb Roon?

[viscid swift]

BB main guns, CA main guns, etc

[lyric stump]

y i need unicorn? am doing boss only

[red sapphire]

Yes but I'm kind newbie and casual, lack of time

[atomic abyss]

Oh wait clearing mode

[viscid swift]

and more to the point, if your fleet is performing fine, why +13 the thing in the first place

[atomic abyss]

Spend 3k coins everyday to get 10 research BP for her
You max her out in a month or so

[viscid swift]

instead of say waiting until you encounter hard enough content where +13ing said gear would make a meaningful difference

[proper violet]

Cry everytim

[red sapphire]

Well if my fleet dies to suicide boats why not. That's what I thought when I did that

[viscid swift]

you mean W14 hard mode?

[rain bobcat]

the gun not being +13 is the last thing you blame if you die to suicides

also dons gun isnt even good for ch14

[viscid swift]

also

upgrading your aux gun alone even if was the 155 kai wouldn't solve the issue

[red sapphire]

I'm not saying I should do that what I say is if I'm trying to push harder content why shouldn't I +13 something if that's the best non ur option

Considering I have 0 plyguns yet

[rain bobcat]

because it doesn't make a difference?

[viscid swift]

because gold plates are incredibly time gated and I'd make damned sure that was the only feasible option available to me to solve the issue before commiting gold plates to what is ultimately niche gear

[rain bobcat]

+13ing CL guns outside plyguns especially as BB aux is a massive waste

[atomic abyss]

If you are a casual

Then you should consider looking into spreading your resources optimally

And don't make what little grinding you do go to waste

[rain bobcat]

there is no harder content that requires you to +13 an aux BB gun, and even if in w14H a +13 gun might help, donskoi gun is not the gun for the job

[atomic abyss]

Unfortunately AL is the kinda game where you do need to grind a lot

Hence this comment

In any case

[viscid swift]

even in W14 hard mode a +13 aux gun alone won't solve the issue of intercepting suicide boats in time

[atomic abyss]

The 145 gold plates are already gone-skoi

So no point discussing this further

[rain bobcat]

I have +13 plyguns on BB only because im not using them for CL main guns, otherwise +10 is enough

[lyric stump]

soooo cv gear recommendation?

[rain bobcat]

ur prob dead with that fleet

[atomic abyss]

I mean which fleet is the boss fleet even

[lyric stump]

top one

[rain bobcat]

kron and raffa only healer among other things

[atomic abyss]

That's clearing mode

If top is boss fleet
Why use Rafaello at all?
I would use Alsace there
Hell I would use 2 BBs

[rain bobcat]

use a proper BB and use cowpens or volga as healer

raffa won't do jack

[red sapphire]

Help me understand something. If musashi gets 1k fp with buffs and stuff, why does 20 fp for playgun make worth the wait of 3% opsi damage and better numbers on it's following best option

[rain bobcat]

its not opsi dmg

[red sapphire]

Considering I have 0

[rain bobcat]

its siren dmg and specifically ONLY siren dmg

[lyric stump]

wut u recommend then

[rain bobcat]

and the dmg boost is not a flat 3% to total dmg if I remember either

[viscid swift]

what

[atomic abyss]

Because the 3% is opsi only
And is honestly meaningless
Plymouth gun is that much stronger on every other ground

The numbers in game do not tell you the whole picture

[viscid swift]

everyone end game snob runs Plymouth gun on their BBs because it gives 20 more FP compared to a gold gun for min maxing, that's it

[atomic abyss]

Also 20 FP buffs your main gun dmg

And barrage damage

Which is far more relevant

Than a 3% opsi buff that applies to that gun only

[atomic abyss]

Alsace, +1 other UR BB, maybe Lion
With a healer as mentioned like cowpens

[lyric stump]

il get cowpens ones she lv125, volga will be fine?

[red sapphire]

So basically you said here that the only diference here is 20 fp on a 1k fp ship for using an UR over an SR. I don't know what should It be a waste to +13 a good performing even if sr tought. Consider I have 0 playguns to minmax 20 fp yet

[viscid swift]

I'm saying it's a waste to put gold plates into aux guns on BBs period

you'd be far better off saving the gold plates for better main guns that come along in the future

[rain bobcat]

because, 20fp doesn't cost gold plates, and it's useful for any CL that wants a good gun

[red sapphire]

Good, but I'm using this as aux

[red sapphire]

It's on Musashi

[viscid swift]

like, gold plates are scarce enough where I wouldn't even contemplate +13ing something that's not best in slot

[rain bobcat]

why can't you understand that the +13 on donskoi or ANY BB gun aux DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE

[viscid swift]

and even if it's best in slot, an aux gun would be pretty much at the bottom of the priority list

like, I genuinely don't know what content you're doing where you think it is necessary to +13 an aux gun on a BB

[red sapphire]

Trying hard arbiter

[rain bobcat]

there is no reason to +13 any CL gun outside of plygun (and this is mostly because you can use plyguns for CLs)

[soft raft]

???????
How tf

[rain bobcat]

a +13 aux gun of all things wont make you clear harbiter lol

you dont even need a single piece of +13 for harbiter

[red sapphire]

What?

[rain bobcat]

esp if you have lion, you DEFINITELY don't need a +13 to clear harbiter

[soft raft]

What tf does BB aux gun have to do with arbiter

[lyric stump]

what gear? 457? he? quad305? also what abt volga

[viscid swift]

they're probably thinking about the multiple suicide boats that come at once

[lyric stump]

tysm

[viscid swift]

which yeah a +13 aux gun ain't saving your from that

[rain bobcat]

[rapid shard]

Only BB I could see that even being any difference at all would be Oumi if you could constantly proc her skills and pull thr boss in range. Even then I dont see it being worth it in the slightest

[rain bobcat]

if it can't hit, extra dmg aint helping. and if it hits, +0 probably already kills

[viscid swift]

the suicide boats are probably crashing into their main fleet and chunking the main fleet for HP

[rain bobcat]

it's just a massive miscalculation

[red sapphire]

So basically +13 any aux gun is useless until I +13 absolute everything else, correct?

[rain bobcat]

also for those wouldn't that one gun help

[viscid swift]

let me put it like this, I still haven't +13ed any aux guns

[rain bobcat]

this guy

genuinely would help more

[viscid swift]

would it?

[rain bobcat]

I mean it atleast fires in a semicircle

it could help

[viscid swift]

well the issue is that multiple suicide boats are coming at you at once

[red sapphire]

By the way, now that plygun is on lab I supose I should go for them?

Like, straight

[viscid swift]

gear lab guide has already been updated with the new additions
https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/gear-lab

[red sapphire]

Ah cool, thanks

[viscid swift]

it's a C tier for priority

[rapid shard]

Sextuple and Roombas decent to take to +13 or just save plates for frog guns?

[red sapphire]

I'm not that new, I think I can go for them. According to the guide I have almost everything I need before that

[viscid swift]

go right ahead then

[left pier]

when are they adding skyraiders to gear lab bro 🥀

[viscid swift]

not until June at the earliest

[red sapphire]

Oh yes I wanted to ask. The new glab purple gear something good?

[rain bobcat]

idk if they make a noticeable difference

[viscid swift]

I won't claim to have bothered to look at most of them but I highly doubt it

[rain bobcat]

sexy sure roomba idk

[red sapphire]

I did read somewhere sextuples are very good

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure I'd bother with sextuples nowadays

[rain bobcat]

yeah

[rapid shard]

I figured Sexy would get the biggest boost since the dmg already pretty high.

[whole crypt]

roombas are fine until you craft rainbow for 15

[rain bobcat]

there's a massive AA plate shortage due to frog gun

im dead on plates and im still only at 6 +13 frogs

[whole crypt]

at least you have 6

[red sapphire]

I think sextuples iirc have the highest dps but it's not recommended to use more than 1 on a fleet when fighting high AA stages

[rapid shard]

Im just building up electronics right now to start making frogs. Is there anyway to get that gold gun before it? Or just gotta eat the cost?

[whole crypt]

sextuples don't have the highest DPS, they should have the highest alpha

[red sapphire]

Could you explain me what's that, the "alpha"?

[viscid swift]

protocore PR2 gear prints

[whole crypt]

alpha damage is the per round damage

[viscid swift]

oh wait no that's the 57mm

you can get the gun from some premium tech box you can get from paid packs but other than that no

[red sapphire]

dps I meant damage per shot. Let me explain, my brain lagged for a second and forgot that dps is damage per second

[rapid shard]

Is there any reason to make 57s compared to frog?

[fallen jay]

For this event what should I prioritize in shop?

[viscid swift]

not really no outside of hyper AA min maxing that may or may not be worthwhile

[whole crypt]

but anyway roomba should be fine for ch13 and even 13 hard

[rain vine]

whats frog gun?

[viscid swift]

or even work for that matter

[whole crypt]

if for 15 just go directly to rainbow

there's not much reason to bother with sextuple nowadays

[red sapphire]

Twin 76 ur

[rapid shard]

Im working on gear for 15 lol got full roomba, staggs, sextuples, 105s and twin90.

[rain vine]

the aa gun?

[red sapphire]

Yes

[rain vine]

thought those were called rat guns

[whole crypt]

that gun has too many nicknames just call it 76

[stark quiver]

its called the twin 76mm aa gun
idk why theres so many bs names for it

[viscid swift]

just call it the 76mm Mk37

[fallen jay]

What should I prioritize getting in the shop of the event?

[viscid swift]

usual priority order

it never changes

[fallen jay]

What is that? I forgor

[whole crypt]

anyway the folks who haven't started +13ing rainbow AA guns just be glad you didn't do it before they added the 76mm

[viscid swift]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/shop_priority/#major_event

[fallen jay]

I haven’t made anything 13+

[viscid swift]

ugh don't remind me

[stark quiver]

lmfao

[whole crypt]

I'm fairly sure I have more +13 57s than you cheeks

[stark quiver]

i didnt +13 bc no plates
i still dont +13 bc no plates

[stark quiver]

all 6 💀

[sweet delta]

That's not clear enough. Call it Twin 76mm RF Mk 37 Gun Mount, Son of Twin 76mm Mk 27 RF AA Gun Mount.

[stark quiver]

you are absolutely correct

[viscid swift]

see, not a boomer, still a new player

[red sapphire]

Share some, no?

[reef flume]

Bruh

Fr gimme at least 3

[stark quiver]

I’m new

[atomic abyss]

I don't think it needs to be said

But this isn't the flex your rainbows channel

[red sapphire]

Meanwhile me with 2 event urs and 1 crafted

[atomic abyss]

[reef flume]

I'm definitely getting another cat AA gun. Gonna slap it on Lion. And then one more for Zwei

[red sapphire]

Is there something I can do to get the "top secret" ur thing faster to craft urs?

[atomic abyss]

No

[whole crypt]

play more

[atomic abyss]

Nothing beyond well, doing your due diligence for opsi

[reef flume]

Just farm OpSi til you clean 50 zones. Crafting an UR gear usually takes 2 or 3 months

[viscid swift]

C1 farming strat if you really so desire

[red sapphire]

I already did

[atomic abyss]

Then nothing else that isn't extremely time consuming

[red sapphire]

C1?

[whole crypt]

T2 ordnance reports can drop from cat dives and stuff so making sure you clear everything every month can contribute to the pool to craft up

[atomic abyss]

Farming corrosion difficulty 1 maps

Which is essentially an endless grind

[red sapphire]

Lmao

[stark quiver]

do your blue loggers from exchange shop

[stark quiver]

what

[whole crypt]

classified loggers don't give ordreps

[red sapphire]

Doesn't give the top secret thing I think

[stark quiver]

oh ords

[red sapphire]

So basically wait, right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[reef flume]

Yeh. Crafting UR gears takes minimum 2 months in the end

[red sapphire]

6 plyguns, 6 aa, 3 bb guns, ah... will take a while

[weary gust]

You don't need 6 plyguns.

[red sapphire]

I mean to reach the very end of finishing a fleet for the very end

[stark quiver]

my two very endgame fleets uses 3 plyguns

[red sapphire]

Could I see what you use?

[turbid marsh]

yeah you don't need 6 ply guns, you need 16 XD

[weary gust]

I have more plyguns than probably 99.99% of the playerbase and I think I only have 5 and I don't even use one of them that often.

There aren't many relevant CLs tbh and BBs only use them as stat padding in some cases, most of the time you have a 155 on there.

[stark quiver]

its for 14h
adjustments can be made, its a prelim fleet i used

[red sapphire]

I see, thanks for showing

[keen flower]

are any meta ships good actually?

[rain bobcat]

the newer golds are not bad

[wind hazel]

most SR are decent, some like gloM and jintM are better than the rest

[rain bobcat]

purples are just tech fodder

[south ridge]

I have some trouble getting some gearlab parts (mostly previus gear required to develop the other ones) is there any guide how to obtain them?

[rain bobcat]

quite a few are from techboxes and whatnot

some cases though, only purple is techbox and you have to upcraft the entire tree to get to the rainbow

[south ridge]

I was into Vit-2 or Ju-87 crafting but yeah, I dont find the blue gears to do the entire tree

[wind hazel]

get he-50b from ironblood techbox

[viscid swift]

vit-2 isn't worth crafting and the Ju-87d you can find that aircraft from T3 IB tech boxes

[south ridge]

T3 IB boxes? ok, thanks ^^

[wind hazel]

if still need to lookt up, use https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/equips, search your gear, look under Obtain & Cost tab

[south ridge]

Thanks for the help

[keen flower]

wait server maint again?

didnt we had one like 3 days ago

[wind hazel]

no maintenance

[slow fox]

-# bless

[vernal hornet]

How i can use this 2 thing

[viscid swift]

what

[vernal hornet]

Sorry bad internet i mean 2 chip upgrade

[viscid swift]

cognitive arrays? they're used for awakening ships from 120 to 125

[vernal hornet]

Yes

[vernal hornet]

Am still don't know how to awaken lv ship

[viscid swift]

Tap awaken above the xp bar

[quartz breach]

14-4 hard mode.

For the clear all enemies condition, should I maybe bring a repair ship or is it not worth it? I was doing really well until I ran out of ammo and NJ's barrage wasn't enough to clear out the barrage ships.

I'm thinking just keep clearing the stage until the threat level drops to green?

[wind hazel]

if you use clearing mode, it will give you the clear all enemy star just by defeating the boss

if you wanna do it the hard way, then bringing repair ship isn't worth it

or using NJ as the matter of fact

need to bring out the stronger ships like lion etc

[vernal hornet]

Thx very much now i know how to up lv all ship

[viscid swift]

just be picky with who you uncap to 125, cog arrays are a pretty time gated resource

[quartz breach]

Huh, I'm pretty sure I had clearing mode on and killing the boss didn't give me the 3rd star.

[whole crypt]

cheeky hasn't finished M556?

[soft raft]

What maint?

[whole crypt]

for 14H I can almost assure you the damage loss from swapping to a repair ship will be worse than just using a good ship to begin with, not forgetting repair ships will basically just vaporize under ch14 BB fire
also like Mori said for hard mode, you can get the all enemies star by killing the boss in clearing mode

[quartz breach]

I'll try again tomorrow then.

[robust plinth]

what's 1:1 and 3:3 fleet means? i read it on a guide

[whole crypt]

1:1 means using a fleet with only 1 main fleet ship and 1 vanguard ship

similarly 3:3 would mean using a full fleet

[paper nebula]

is there a way to change blueprints to other ones? i masked out Mainz but have 174 more blueprints

[onyx flame]

cant, you can only turn excess bps into protocore

thou ig you could use the protocore to buy the other series bps not that its a great choice

[paper nebula]

and you can only get Bluepritns through Research and the BP exchange ones right?

[onyx flame]

mainly for newer season, older seasons like pr1-5 and dr 1-4 bps can be bought with coins aka coining

[noble pawn]

Does Sirius good for Bossing?

[onyx flame]

yea you mainly use her and kazagumo for a full cv boss fleet

[soft raft]

*Note that this is mainly only relevant in Operation Siren

[noble pawn]

Ouch, I haven't got any good CV fleet yet

Thanks

[little plinth]

if i get an extra meta drop and have it fully MLB already, how many crystal fragments do I get? is it 5?

[noble pawn]

10

Just got that recently from Cleveland META

[paper nebula]

i see thanks a lot ive been trying to max out and unlock the PR Ships

[noble pawn]

I have enough T2 Gold to convert to T3, is it worth the investment? Only have 1 Ply gun rn